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RHOBH: Dorit and Garcelle Race Wars · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: On today's episod A Reality for the King, I am
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you know I love her. She's so gorgeous. She's
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, so we have to get into
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  Speaker 3: this episode. Girl, we got to go back a little
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  Speaker 3: bit to this party that Crystal had at her home,
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  Speaker 3: and all the girls were doing what they do, which
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  Speaker 3: is get into each other's business, right, doing a sort
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  Speaker 3: of heated conversation. Darik was trying to, you know, ask
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  Speaker 3: questions about Sutton and just getting information, and all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden, her and Garcel got into this sort of
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  Speaker 3: like interesting change. Durit use the word attack and garcells
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  Speaker 3: mood change instantly, and in that moment, Garcel said to her,
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  Speaker 3: I did not attack you, and don't use that word
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  Speaker 3: to me.
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  Speaker 1: And then Dereise said, why can I use that word?
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  Speaker 1: And Erica Jane said, because that's a woman to color
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  Speaker 1: your white woe might so explain to me, Jesse Will,
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  Speaker 1: as you were watching all of that unfold, what was
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  Speaker 1: going through your mind?
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  Speaker 4: First of all, I shout out to Erica Jane. A
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  Speaker 4: lot of people don't like Erica. I happen to love Erica.
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  Speaker 4: She's my fellow cancer, and I feel like cancers a
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  Speaker 4: lot of times are very misunderstood. I think at her course,
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  Speaker 4: she's actually really a really fun person. I just think,
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  Speaker 4: you know, a lot of things have happened to her,
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  Speaker 4: and so we've seen another side of her that is
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  Speaker 4: sometimes unpleasant, but I think that comes with when you're
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  Speaker 4: just not in a good place, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: So but I really I'm rooting for Erica.
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  Speaker 4: But shout out to her because before garselves could even
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  Speaker 4: explain it, which she wasn't gonna explain it, she said,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not here to educate you and Mary pery, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: you got minded about it on African lives. You should
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  Speaker 4: have money go educate yourself on why you cannot use
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  Speaker 4: the word attack for black women's But before garself could
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  Speaker 4: even explain herself, Erica said, you're white. You're a white woman, right,
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  Speaker 4: and there are just certain connotations when you use certain
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  Speaker 4: words for a non white person, for a black person.
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  Speaker 4: You're a white she's black, and she's still sitting there
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  Speaker 4: like and it's like.
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  Speaker 5: Girl, girl, let's be for real. And I do think that.
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  Speaker 4: A little bit to her credit, I do think white
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  Speaker 4: women like to throw that word around with each other.
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  Speaker 4: But we all know that there's a different connotation between
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  Speaker 4: white women. Oh my god, but she's a you attacked
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  Speaker 4: me to Oh but you attacked me to.
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  Speaker 5: A black woman. Let's just be for real.
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  Speaker 4: It's weaponized in a way that it's not weaponized to
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  Speaker 4: your fellow Caucasian sister.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, it's just not the same thing. So shout out
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  Speaker 5: to Erica for saying that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, I really was pleasantly surprised that it wasn't because
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  Speaker 1: the way reality works, and you know this, being on
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  Speaker 1: reality to yourself is one thing to say things in
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  Speaker 1: the moment, like in the moment, in the scene and
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  Speaker 1: you're filming it, versus saying in your confessionals when you
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  Speaker 1: either had time to think about it or someone said,
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  Speaker 1: girls say this because it makes you look good.
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  Speaker 2: One thing we have to give Erica Jane.
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  Speaker 1: Is that she instantly clocked it and instantly was able
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  Speaker 1: to explain it in a very urgent way, like, no,
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  Speaker 1: this is the reason why you're unable to say it.
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  Speaker 1: You're white, she's black. It's different for you. It's different
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  Speaker 1: for you, and I agree with you. Kudos to Erica
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  Speaker 1: Jayne for instantly being able to say, no, I recognize it,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm educated within what was happening in the world
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  Speaker 1: for me to tell you, you just can't say it now.
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  Speaker 2: You being a black woman.
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  Speaker 1: As well, can you explain to the audience, because I
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  Speaker 1: really I want to talk to you because you are
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  Speaker 1: so well versed and just being this global international woman.
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  Speaker 1: Because a lot of people did not understand Garcel's point
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  Speaker 1: of view. Okay, there were some people, Jesse, who felt
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  Speaker 1: that what you said earlier, and the producer showed a
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  Speaker 1: montage of flashbacks of this, right, how the other cast
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  Speaker 1: members used the word attacked towards each other, and that
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  Speaker 1: when Dart was saying it to Garsell, she didn't mean
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  Speaker 1: it to be, you know, isolating her as a black
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  Speaker 1: woman's part of her vocabulary, her vernacular, and she wanted.
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  Speaker 2: To use it.
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  Speaker 1: What do you have to say to people who believe
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  Speaker 1: that that THERI had no malicious intent in saying it
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  Speaker 1: towards Garcell. Being a black woman is the word she
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  Speaker 1: uses in her every day vernacular.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I would have thought that until she gave the pushback.
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  Speaker 4: When she gave the pushback, it's like, lady, you should
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  Speaker 4: have just thought that, Well, you know what, that wasn't
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  Speaker 4: my intent, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, she's like, well,
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  Speaker 4: I think she asked her, like, well, explain to me
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  Speaker 4: why you feel that I shouldn't use this word or whatever,
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  Speaker 4: And Garcela was like yo, like I'm not about to
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  Speaker 4: educate you.
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  Speaker 5: Erica just did.
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  Speaker 4: And at this point in twenty twenty four, like we're
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  Speaker 4: literally like on the other end of twenty twenty, Like
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  Speaker 4: what all the things that we seen happened in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 4: We saw this cast, the Beverly Hills Cast, you know,
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  Speaker 4: talk about some of the issues that were, you know,
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  Speaker 4: prevalent during twenty two only the protests, Like you guys
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  Speaker 4: are well aware, You're aware, you are aware, and so
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  Speaker 4: I feel like anytime you try to well, I don't understand. No,
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  Speaker 4: you do understand, you don't understand. And not only that,
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  Speaker 4: I feel that Garcell's are not the only person who's
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  Speaker 4: brought up those types of points before, but I even
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  Speaker 4: feel Crystal has kind of kind of touched on that
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  Speaker 4: from time to time, but Garcel has had a specific
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  Speaker 4: experience in this group. We've even seen Erica like it
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  Speaker 4: was good to see Erica. You're not gonna say you're white.
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  Speaker 4: But also Erica owed Garcel that because we saw how
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  Speaker 4: Erica talked to Garcel's black sons.
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  Speaker 5: And Craziest seasons.
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  Speaker 4: Right right, not knowing that he was Garcel's son. So
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  Speaker 4: we saw how she truly perceived this little black boy, right,
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  Speaker 4: And so y'all are aware. You're aware of what words,
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  Speaker 4: what certain words do to trigger certain emotions, certain actions,
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  Speaker 4: and certain perceptions.
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  Speaker 5: Of black women in this society. You're aware.
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  Speaker 4: And so for me, it's like if she didn't push back,
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  Speaker 4: like at all, yeah, okay, yeah, didn't mean it.
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  Speaker 5: But because she pushed back, I was like, oh no,
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  Speaker 5: she meant it. She meant it. She meant it.
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  Speaker 2: You believe she meant it. You believe she meant it. Yeah, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 1: When when, when all that was unfolding, guar celles mood
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  Speaker 1: instantly changed. And when she said to her, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: here to educate you. That is not and she said,
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  Speaker 1: you live in a bubble and that's not my job.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm over it, and the read girl got up,
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  Speaker 1: got her chanail back.
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  Speaker 5: She said, oh, you're not going to educate me. Well,
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  Speaker 5: why don't I just roll? Why don't I just roll?
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  Speaker 4: Because here's the thing too, right, let me tell you,
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  Speaker 4: whenever a black woman says something like that, here's why
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  Speaker 4: we say that, because we know what you're about to do.
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  Speaker 5: Now, we're gonna do the tit for tat.
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  Speaker 4: It's gonna be Oh but but but ain't no.
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  Speaker 5: But there's no buts. I'm not butting with you. We're
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  Speaker 5: not doing the butt.
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  Speaker 4: We're not doing that. We're not doing that. We're not
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  Speaker 4: playing a tennis match, you know what I mean? Like
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  Speaker 4: you know right from wrong.
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  Speaker 5: You've seen.
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  Speaker 4: What has happened to me in this group and what
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  Speaker 4: I've had to address, and mind you too. Garcela is
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  Speaker 4: someone who I feel like a couple of episodes before
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  Speaker 4: this was saying how I think she says she doesn't
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  Speaker 4: feel comfortable talking about her family or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Earlier this season, they were in Vegas and Garcel told
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  Speaker 1: the girls, I don't feel comfortable talking about my children
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  Speaker 1: to you.
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  Speaker 4: To you ladies, right, we've seen how her children were treated.
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  Speaker 4: These women are well aware of how Garcel has been
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  Speaker 4: made to feel in this group, and so I feel
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  Speaker 4: like the whole tell me that's like, that's gaslighting.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you know you're aware.
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  Speaker 1: I really want to explain to my listeners as well.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jesse about the reason why when a white person
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  Speaker 1: or woman calls another black woman and saying you're attacking me.
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  Speaker 1: Can you explain to the audience why that is a
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  Speaker 1: trigger word for women in the black community because one
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  Speaker 1: thing that I've learned being a black man, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: working on all the shows I work on with black
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  Speaker 1: women and men, is there is a conversation within the
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  Speaker 1: black community about how black women of certain shades.
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  Speaker 2: If you're a lighter shade black woman telling a darker
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  Speaker 2: skinned black woman, you're aggressive.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I've learned that on the courtesy of my shows. And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, please tell me. I want to
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  Speaker 1: be educated, and I've learned that lighter skin black women
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  Speaker 1: calling a darker skin black woman aggressed ve is is
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  Speaker 1: not welcomed. To explain to the audience why the word
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  Speaker 1: attack is sort of in that same realm, or is it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, there was an instance where we were having a
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  Speaker 4: conversation and you said something to me one time. I
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  Speaker 4: was like, I could have taken it that way too,
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  Speaker 4: but I know that wasn't your intention.
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  Speaker 5: I never said anything to you, but tell me, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: when you when you came.
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  Speaker 4: On this Nation one time and you were like, we're
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  Speaker 4: talking about how I can land a husband, yes, and
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  Speaker 4: you were like, you know, you just gotta.
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  Speaker 2: Tone it down. I said it down, ye, remember.
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  Speaker 4: That, And so I felt like I understand what you're saying,
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  Speaker 4: but I understand what you're saying, and I know that
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  Speaker 4: you know enough about me, even though we don't hang
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  Speaker 4: out all the time.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, you know enough about me to know that.
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  Speaker 4: I am solf, I am, I am girly, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean. But I feel like sometimes my perception,
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  Speaker 4: just because I am outspoken, is that, damn tone it down.
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  Speaker 5: You talk too much, you're.
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  Speaker 4: Aggressive, You're loud, you know, Like it's like sometimes I'm
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  Speaker 4: not even being loud, but you're loud.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: And I do feel that sometimes it comes with being
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  Speaker 4: a dark skinned girl. I will see like light skinned
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  Speaker 4: girls doing the same thing, and it's, Ooh, she's fine,
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  Speaker 4: she's spicy, you know what I mean. She lig but
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  Speaker 4: I like, tone it down, you know what I mean. Like,
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  Speaker 4: it's just crazy how colorism, racism, all that different shades
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  Speaker 4: of people, even within the white community. I mean, look
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  Speaker 4: at Prince Harry, you know, he he ginger. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know if that we could say that, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: the Gingers, I would like to look at them as
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  Speaker 4: they are the negroes of the white community. You know,
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  Speaker 4: reread it a certain way, and I'm saying I actually
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  Speaker 4: briefly dated a Ginger and he told me that too.
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  Speaker 5: People's like, you know, ginger is a derogatory like he was.
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  Speaker 2: Very like it. See, I'm I'm learning stuff every day, okay.
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  Speaker 4: But I think I think for him it was. And
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  Speaker 4: I just talk to other white people and they're like no,
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  Speaker 4: But the thing was he was treated a certain way
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  Speaker 4: because he was Ginger.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad you you you you're.
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  Speaker 1: Telling me now about the conversation in real time, because
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  Speaker 1: I apologize for saying tone it down, because, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't mean it that way.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I like to go through.
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  Speaker 1: Life being called out on things that is in my
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  Speaker 1: every day vernacular to say like no, Carlos, like that's
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  Speaker 1: not something that you should always say, or maybe look
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  Speaker 1: at the person deeper or whatever. Just like I've learned
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  Speaker 1: through my shows about the whole thing with like the
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  Speaker 1: word aggressor when it comes to black woman.
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  Speaker 2: I learned that.
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  Speaker 1: I said, oh, this is the thing, and I didn't
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  Speaker 1: realize it was one. So thank you for sharing that
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  Speaker 1: with me.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but again I felt like with you, what you
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  Speaker 4: were doing too was.
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  Speaker 5: You were pointing out the way I'm perceived.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean like you might not really perceive me that way,
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  Speaker 4: but you were telling I feel like you were kind
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  Speaker 4: of like being a brother in that moment, like this
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  Speaker 4: is how the guys are perceiving you. Which yeah, which
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  Speaker 4: is it might not even be true, it's not true,
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  Speaker 4: but that is my reality.
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  Speaker 5: That has been my reality.
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  Speaker 4: When I just put my foot down on something, it's oh, I.
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  Speaker 5: Can't do it with her.
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  Speaker 4: I can't, you know what I mean, she do too
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  Speaker 4: much because I won't let you just come by and
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  Speaker 4: just do anything.
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  Speaker 5: That doesn't mean I'm not soft. I'm on the soft
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  Speaker 5: as bitch as you'll meet. If you treat me right, literally,
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  Speaker 5: if you treat me right.
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  Speaker 4: I will wait on you hand and foot. But you
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  Speaker 4: have to treat me like I'm soft. You have to
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  Speaker 4: treat me delicately. And I feel like with black women,
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  Speaker 4: black women are not seen as delicate. Black women are
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  Speaker 4: not seen as soft. Black women are not you know,
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  Speaker 4: like you got black women out.
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  Speaker 5: Here being told not to cry. That is office, you
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  Speaker 5: know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: We came.
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  Speaker 5: It's like nothing we.
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  Speaker 4: Do paints us in a light that is soft and delicate,
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  Speaker 4: the way our white counterparts are perceived.
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  Speaker 1: So after that they did meet up for lunch and
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  Speaker 1: the tension was so thick they could have cut with
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  Speaker 1: the butter knife at the table, because you could tell
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  Speaker 1: none of them wanted to be there. Garcelle was like,
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  Speaker 1: my cars parked the meter outside for thirty minutes, Like
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to eat, I barely want to be here. Girl,
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  Speaker 1: let's get this thing out. I know what I gotta do,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm out of here. So it was very awkward,
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  Speaker 1: very uncomfortable. Garsel did say that she did not sleep
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  Speaker 1: for two nights and she was crying for two nights,
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  Speaker 1: and there were some people on Twitter who thought she
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  Speaker 1: was being she was exaggerating that that here's garcel being
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  Speaker 1: an actress. And some people who were saying this Jesse
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  Speaker 1: were black people.
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  Speaker 2: Again, this is social media.
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  Speaker 1: There's TikTok videos recorded with black content creators saying that
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  Speaker 1: garcel exaggerating, saying she cried for two nights, she couldn't sleep.
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  Speaker 2: They felt she was race baiting.
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  Speaker 4: Let me tell you something, Carlos, you ever been in
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  Speaker 4: a situation where somebody said some wild shit to you,
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  Speaker 4: Like somebody said something real wild to you, and you
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  Speaker 4: know you held your composure so well. But then when
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  Speaker 4: you got home, you just exploded and you ran the
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  Speaker 4: conversation back a million times like should I should have?
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  Speaker 5: And I should have?
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  Speaker 4: And when she that's what Garcel was going through. That's
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  Speaker 4: what Garcel was going through. We've all been there.
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  Speaker 2: I never looked at it that way.
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  Speaker 4: I'm want to do something like that right now. That
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  Speaker 4: was somebody out worked with. That's what she was getting into.
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  Speaker 4: That's what was happening to her. Garcel went home, she
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  Speaker 4: thought about it. She held her composure because here's the thing, too,
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  Speaker 4: Garcell's not just having a conversation with this white woman
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  Speaker 4: about this white woman using a trigger word that is
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  Speaker 4: known to literally put black people behind bars, right, to
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  Speaker 4: put black people in positions that are very disparaging.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: But she had this conversation with that white woman on camera.
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  Speaker 4: So she had to restrain herself a lot. And you
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  Speaker 4: could tell she was restraining herself a lot. It took
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  Speaker 4: everything in her for her to just be calm in
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  Speaker 4: that moment. I feel like she wanted to be like, girl,
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  Speaker 4: you know good, and like you know good and damn
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  Speaker 4: well what you meant by saying that word? And I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna need you to swallow that word and never regurgitated
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  Speaker 4: in my presence ever. Again, Like I really feel like
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  Speaker 4: that's like I feel like she really wanted to explode
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  Speaker 4: in that moment and she couldn't because again, even that
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  Speaker 4: will be seen as race baiting. Even that will be
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  Speaker 4: seen at all. But see, but that's her being aggressive.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Is she gonna be an angry black woman? And she's like,
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, it's gonna be like aha,
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: a lot of people look at your reaction.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: They don't look at what happened to you.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: And so Garsell had to go home and live with
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: that and then come.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: Back outside and sit across from this same white woman.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: Who wanted to be educated again on how that word
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: you know, it's triggering and everything.
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  Speaker 5: And for that woman to turn around and say, but
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: you didn't know I was Jewish? I'm sorry since one
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: was being Jewish and races? What are we talking about here?
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  Speaker 4: So we're gonna use Judaism as a as a reason
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: to back up being racist.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not understanding, Like what is the correlation? What are
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: we doing? Like, you know, white people ain't the only
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: ones who are Jewish?
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Why you know there are Jewish people across different races
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: and cultures and here you are using that and then saying, well,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: but I'm marginalized too, You're marginal I'm marginalized too.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: What are we talking about? Seriously? And that's why Garcela
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: didn't want to educate her.
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• 22:07
  Speaker 1: When Garcel said she cried for two nights, I never
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: thought like, oh, to your point, possibly what that means
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: is she replayed the mom in her head and she
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: was probably disappointed about you should have said that. You
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: should have said that, And I'm gonna add on to that,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: you know, possibly too.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: She also thought about.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: The viewers and the black community, what are black women
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: going to say? Do black women expect me to do that?
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: What is interesting about Garcil's presence on Beverly Hills Housewives,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and you and I talked about this last year on
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: this very podcast. I said this from the beginning when
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Garsel told the ladies this may be her first season
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: or second, I don't remember, but I would never forget
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: this scene when she told them, you guys have no
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: idea what it feels like to be the only black
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: person in the room.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: You guys just don't know what that feels like.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: And I praise her on my podcast, I said, I
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: felt seen, and I don't think people really understand that
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: when you are the only black person in the room,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: you feel uncomfortable. Let's be real, Jesse, oftentimes not everybody,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: we don't represent everybody.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: You oftentimes feel uncomfortable.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: You oftentimes feel like I don't belong you kind of
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: get insecure, Like do I sound right?
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Am I acting right? Do I sound as educated?
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: A lot of these things play into your head because
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: just about the systemic race system that we dealt with
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: in our childhood, and it is trauma. And when you
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: are a person of color, no matter how much money
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: you have for a large amount of people, you still
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: feel that trauma because it shows up in your life
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: when you have to deal with social media trolls, or
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: when you get pulled up about the cops, or when
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: you're trying to get a loan from a bank, or
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: when you're trying to buy a house, like you're reminded
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: no matter where you are, that you're checking the other box.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: So when Garsell brought the conversation to this show, I
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: appreciated this cause I said, oh my gosh, like we
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: all feel that way, and garcel is a national treasure
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: in the black community. She's fancy from getting Box Sun
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: and we love her. So I appreciated that. However, there
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: are people, though, who believe that this ain't the show
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: for it.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: There was a moment where dol Rito brought up the
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: word privilege because remember an initial argument, Garca's like, listen,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: I'm not here to educate you and your privilege.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: Like I'm not right.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: Yes, when they have the lunch date, Durita was like,
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: when it comes to privilege, we're all privileged in this group.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: All of us are privileged in this group. And it's like,
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, she doesn't want to get it. She
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: really just does not want I get it. She doesn't
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: want to own what Garcela is saying, I'm so happy
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: that Garcella kept telling her, well, you know what, it's
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: on you. But when she kept dealing with the word privilege.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Garcel has like thirty jobs. Garcela does not live the
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: same life that these other girls are living. Garcel. I've
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: seen Garcel last year do so many things. She was Survival,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: the tickets Netflix, she is narrating a true con show
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: I believe on Oxygen. Every now and then, you're gonna
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: see Garcel in a Lifetime movie. She's producing, she's doing podcasts,
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: she's hosting. Like, Garcel has more jobs than a Jamaican
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: in order to live in Beverly Hills.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: It's not the same privilege.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're seeing that now with Taraji p Henson
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: talking about the paid disparities amongst black actress in Hollywood
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: and how she, along with other black actresses were saying
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: how they want to quit the business because it's so hard,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: and how you have to constantly.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Work, not because you want to, because you have to.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: You have to. So Garcia has to keep up all
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: these jobs.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: She doesn't have a you know, even when she did
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: have a rich white husband, Garcela was still working.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: She was a working actress.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Garca has been a working actress for four decades, and
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: despite all of her accolades, she still has to work
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: like a dog in order to share the same platform
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: with these women.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I e.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: Erica Jane, how'd you get here?
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: You had Tom Gerald?
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: Yes, you had him. You know what I'm saying, Like
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: Christal got The Lion King Man.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: That's my favorite movie of all time, by the way,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: and my favorite Broadway shown. But Garcel has to work
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: ten times harder for her privilege. She has to work
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: for her privilege and work her privilege. Y'all are just
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: born with it. It's just get form with it, they.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Believe, which which breaks me.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: To Lisa Brenna's tweet, So she said this back in
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: like twenty twenty two. She tweeted, and I quote, we
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: fight on our show. If we fight with Garsell, we
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: are all of a sudden called the racist.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: That's bullshit. I will not accept that.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I will express myself when and how I want, And
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I am not afraid of you hoes.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: You know what's crazy, It's crazy watching white people type
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: in an aave in African American vernacular.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: It's really crazy. What is going on? You hose really.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't the whole part and listen, the wholest part
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: threw me off.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: But I can see her like slinging her phone off after.
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: I'm not scared of you hoes, because I just.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Don't think Lisa Renda when she's at the Shottamar Mott
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Hoddy with Eileen Davidson, I just listen, Ray drops tell
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: me bro wrong. I just don't think that Lisa Renna
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: is having lunch with Eileen Davidson and Kathy Hilton, she said,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: fuck these hoes.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I just don't believe that.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: Okay, go ahead, no, absolutely not.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: But see, but that's privilege again, because it's like again,
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: it's the way of her, as a white woman woman
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: not having to acknowledge that certain speech is very hurtful
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: to certain groups of people, to black people. It's kind
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: of like when Garcel. I think it was like last
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: season or the season before where.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: They were talking about race.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Or something like that, and Garcel was like, I think
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: she asked, Dorrid, well, how many black people do.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: You have a run? Oh? I mean I have like
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: people around the house that work around the house.
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: Oh my mom's best friend is black.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you about that. Let me tell you.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Stout that look. I think Garsel being on this show.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: And I've said this since day one. Listen, she's a
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: national treasure. I think Garcela is great for the show.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I think she brings a much needed presence to that show.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: And I think she's a great housewife.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: The only thing I ever said about Garsell was I
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: just don't believe her and Sutton are like the best
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: of friends.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: And that's that's just my opinion.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I just think they have I think they're both like, listen,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: we're new kids on the block.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Let's form an alliance and let's be the new girl. Baby.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry the girls this season.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: This is let me tell you something. I am team
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Sutting this season. This is Sutton's best season.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: Name name them, name them.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: She's getting the girls together. She's getting the girls.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Together, baby, And I'm here for and I am here
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: for Garsel shedding light. Listen for me to be a
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: black man in this business and to watch that show
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: and see that.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you that scene made me love her even
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: more when she.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Was able to just say her toop like, y'all don't
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: know what it feels like to be the only one.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Y'all just don't know. I know what that feels like.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: You know what that feels like. You know what I'm saying.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: It's worthy talking about that, but it doesn't feel good.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: So I love that she's bringing this on the show. Look,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: do we love the mess and the cattiness and the
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: shade and all that. Yes, But I think the other
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: thing that at least I'm trying to do in my
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: reality shows, and I think this is what Beverly Hills
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: is trying to do, is you have to at least
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: have conversations that are relatable because at some point you
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: need some sustainability on these shows, and I think Garcel
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: being cast brings that. Before I wrap you, where does
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Garsel and Dery golfing here? Do you think they will
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: never be friends? Do you think there's room for some growth?
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: Some people you just work with.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: You just work with they like they're in the office
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: with you. You come in there, you do your job. I
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: ain't got a problem with you. I'm not gonna dwell
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: on well. I do have a problem with you, but
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: it's not resolvable. So there's nothing else for me to
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: do or say here, hey, hiy pleasant trees, keep it moving.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: I would love for you know, I would love to
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: see in Beverly Hills. There's a Haitian girl on Housewives
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: of Miyam.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: She used she was miss hated.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Key Bart's and she's funny.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: I recently just sat down and watched the show. I
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: was like, oh my, it was like I was watching myself.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, this lady is perfect,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: Like she is hilarious, gorgeous, witty. I feel like Garcella
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: needs something like that. Because one thing I will say,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: I just the fun moments with Garcela and the.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Show are very far and between. Yeah, yeah, they're very
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: spread out.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: It was nice to see her and Erica go out
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: and have a good time and like that looked genuinely.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: Like a good time.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: I think Sutton showed up initially feeling like oh shit,
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: but then she realized, oh these picures don't have a
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: good time. Okay, goo, let's have a good time.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Like yeah, you know, But I just feel like garcel
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: needs I've said this before.
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: I think like she needs somebody.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I know, and I was hoping that was charae Oh
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: and what happened with her?
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I always said this as a producer, you can't show everything,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: meaning you got forty two minutes to show something.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: She was not vocal based on what we were we
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: were shown.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I was really rooting for her because on Hollywood Excess
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: she was fantastic and she was funny and and look
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: all this stuff going on with Jada and Will like
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: y'all fired her way too soon, Like I would have
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: loved to get some of that Hollywood.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: Like she could have been.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: I thought she could have been candid like Jada, Jada
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: and Will like there and and her their family they
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: don't give a fuck about it. They wouldn't care about her.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: They wouldn't care.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: They really would genuinely not care because she they know
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: that she wouldn't pass certain boundaries. Yeah, so she could
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: have spilled her little tea and whatever and kept it
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: moving like yeah, I just I feel I feel like
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Garcel does need she does need a friend. Garcel has
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: no friends on that show. Crystal has no friends on
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: that show. Sudden no friends on.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: That show, No no now.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: But but Garcela is the black one.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And because when I seen a lot of a Marie,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: we don't know what their relationship is going to be.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: But just because listen not all black people have to
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: be frenzy either, right, so right, but based on their personalities,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I just don't see tell Emery being friends.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: They're so there's there. I don't know. We'll see what
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: happens again.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: Based on what I'm saying, doctor, she's she's, she belongs
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: on Maria the medicine.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: The way she came for Sundon's throat, it was.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Like girl literally her throat, literally her throat.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: Like you know when you swallow, you're supposed to take
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: two gulfs. That's science. No, girl, no, this is not
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  Speaker 5: Marria's medicine.
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  Speaker 1: Girl, tell the world, my sweet peep, where they can
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  Speaker 5: Yes, So d Jesse will on all social media platforms.
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  Speaker 4: On all social media platforms. I'm audition Nation Monday through Friday.
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• 34:59
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• 35:01
  Speaker 5: I'm really excited about that.
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  Speaker 4: Great, Yeah, I'm really excited about that. Perfectly this year too,
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: I get to sell a show and sell a movie.
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  Speaker 4: That would be like a dream come true.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, that's what I look forward to Well, You're
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