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Suffering From Joint Pain, Arthritis, Etc. ... Listen To This · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: Welcome friends. It is the third hour.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: It always just feels like where did the time go?
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  Speaker 1: And yet here we are already and it'd show five
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  Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty five of The Morning Show with
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  Speaker 1: Preston Scott. Great to be with you, Jose over there
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  Speaker 1: in Studio one A. I'm here in Studio one B,
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  Speaker 1: and I am joined by a friend. I have known
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  Speaker 1: Chad Gray for a lot of years. I got referred
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  Speaker 1: to Chad. I want to kind of lay this out
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  Speaker 1: years ago when I was doing some training at Titus
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  Speaker 1: Sports Academy Adam Farrow, one of the co founders of Titus.
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  Speaker 1: I said I was having an issue and he said,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to see this guy. And he said,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to see Chad Gray. I said, tell
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  Speaker 1: me more, and he proceeded to share about Chad and
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  Speaker 1: his philosophy of treating injuries, all manner of injuries that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people immediately jump and go straight to
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  Speaker 1: the surgical option. And so I went to see Chad
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  Speaker 1: and that problem. What was that maybe fifteen eighteen years ago.
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  Speaker 3: About sixteen years ago, I think.
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  Speaker 1: And about sixteen well, thanks very much.
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 1: It was amemberable moment for you to.
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  Speaker 3: Tell Yah and forget it.
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  Speaker 1: And I have not had that issue treated again since
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  Speaker 1: because he taught me how to deal with the problem
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  Speaker 1: myself once he diagnosed and was able to determine what
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  Speaker 1: was going on in my body. I have since referred
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  Speaker 1: maybe a dozen or so people with significant injuries to
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  Speaker 1: Chad and his practice. His practitioners, and the reviews have
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  Speaker 1: been the same people that have been facing ACL and
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  Speaker 1: MCL surgeries that were treated improperly at the beginning, avoided surgery.
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  Speaker 1: People with back issues, show older issues, elbow issues. You
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  Speaker 1: even helped one of our guests on this program that's
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  Speaker 1: a former ice agent in Arizona.
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  Speaker 3: Correct and this.
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  Speaker 1: I guess what I think would be useful would be
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  Speaker 1: to explain, Chad, where did this philosophy begin for you?
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  Speaker 1: What was the motivating factor to address this type of
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  Speaker 1: practice Differently?
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  Speaker 2: You just when you look at the data regarding the
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  Speaker 2: incidents and prevalence of orthopedic or muscular skeletal conditions in
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  Speaker 2: this country, when you look at that data on the
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  Speaker 2: health plan side of things, when you look at that
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  Speaker 2: data on the athletic side of things, you look at
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  Speaker 2: the MLB, you look at the NFL, you look at
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  Speaker 2: all the major sports leagues. We've seen a dramatic escalation
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  Speaker 2: in the frequency or the incidents and prevalents of these
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  Speaker 2: conditions across the last thirty to forty years. And all
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  Speaker 2: of that escalation, all that increasing frequency, despite the fact
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  Speaker 2: that we've had access to the best technologies, you know,
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  Speaker 2: MRIs and ultra sounds and YouTube. YouTube, yeah, Google, just
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  Speaker 2: google it.
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  Speaker 1: You can figure it out, right, gocket Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, we We've We've thrown.
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  Speaker 2: Everything but the kitchen sink at it, right, and we've
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  Speaker 2: done nothing to slow down the frequency of this situation,
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  Speaker 2: of this particular medical condition. And and it as I
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  Speaker 2: took an interest in this and got curious about it
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  Speaker 2: along with my partner Mark Miller.
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  Speaker 3: We we we we didn't.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't have our own philosophy. What we did was
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  Speaker 2: we dove into the medical science. We dove into the data,
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  Speaker 2: the peer review publications that are out there that spoke
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  Speaker 2: to how frequently we were misdiagnosing things, how frequently we
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  Speaker 2: were mismatching the treatment to the patient's actual condition, how
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  Speaker 2: we weren't really determining root cause and source of the
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  Speaker 2: episode or source of the symptom. And and we took
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  Speaker 2: that information, that data front that was published in all
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  Speaker 2: of these well respected journals, and we started de siling
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  Speaker 2: it down, and we started plugging it into clinical practice
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  Speaker 2: and application, and we started making that a standard practice
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  Speaker 2: of ours. And we then took that and embedded it
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  Speaker 2: and started monitoring the data within that ecosystem and reacting
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  Speaker 2: to that data and information and constantly adjusting our clinical
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  Speaker 2: protocols and trying to get better and better and better
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  Speaker 2: and more and more precise at figuring out what the
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  Speaker 2: root cause and source was and what the actual solution
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  Speaker 2: was for the condition. And in those episodes that we
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  Speaker 2: could manage with conservative care of self care, we moved
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  Speaker 2: those people quickly into that model. And the cases that
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  Speaker 2: looked like they were clearly structural and needed a surgical console,
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  Speaker 2: we quickly moved them into surgery. But the whole model
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  Speaker 2: came down to this. It came down to understanding how
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  Speaker 2: to triage a case, how to make a really precise
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  Speaker 2: and reliable decision about what was going on here. Is
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  Speaker 2: it truly structural, is it chemical?
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  Speaker 3: Is it mecanic? Does it need movement? Does it need
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  Speaker 3: a shot? Does it need a surgery?
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  Speaker 2: And making that really precise decision allowed us to stratify
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  Speaker 2: or group people into the right bucket of care and
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  Speaker 2: get really good at getting them better faster than the
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  Speaker 2: traditional system was capable of.
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  Speaker 1: Do it back with Chad Gray from jointstrong dot com.
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  Speaker 1: That's the website. And because it's that time of year
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  Speaker 1: where people are a little more active, they're going to
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  Speaker 1: get more active and kids are back in school, kids
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  Speaker 1: are back playing sports. Maybe you've got a collegiate athlete,
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  Speaker 1: maybe you've got just someone that really loves to participate
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  Speaker 1: in activities. Chad, You're you're covering though a scope and
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  Speaker 1: range of ages that literally is as big as the population.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we work with you know, as I say, oftentimes
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  Speaker 2: the eight to the eighty year old or beyond that
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  Speaker 2: even you know, So we see all demographics we see
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  Speaker 2: We see athletes from every level as well. We see
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  Speaker 2: you know, the middle school the high schoolers that are
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  Speaker 2: in the local sports programs. We see collegiate athletes, we
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  Speaker 2: see professional athletes, we see olympians on a regular basis.
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  Speaker 2: We see these types of athletes coming through our practices
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  Speaker 2: and through our facilities and embedding in our ecosystem and
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  Speaker 2: trying to access the kind of information and data we've
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  Speaker 2: talked about on our last visit and the information we'll
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  Speaker 2: talk about today. So we're seeing every demographic you can
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  Speaker 2: imagine with musculo skeletal conditions or orthopedic conditions.
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  Speaker 1: What's happening to the body, generally, we're painting with a
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  Speaker 1: paint brush here, that's pretty big. What's happening to the
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  Speaker 1: body and why?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, in the broadest context, what we you know, We've
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  Speaker 2: here's how we figured this out. We've taken one point
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  Speaker 2: five million plus patient encounters worth of data. We created
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  Speaker 2: a very rigorous mechanism for gathering information and data from
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  Speaker 2: the clinical side of the isle, and we said, all right,
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  Speaker 2: let's run that information and data across all these clinical
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  Speaker 2: encounters through the machine, and let's look at the patterns
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  Speaker 2: that are showing up in the clinic. What are the
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  Speaker 2: common manifestations or common presentations we see with orthopedic conditions
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  Speaker 2: coming in. And there's a commonality of an intimate link
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  Speaker 2: between pain and stiffness or loss of movement. There is
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  Speaker 2: a consistency that's there. People don't show up into the
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  Speaker 2: clinic hurting without having a loss of movement. It is
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  Speaker 2: almost universal. So we know there's an intimate connection between
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  Speaker 2: those two things. That stiffness, that loss of movement, that
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  Speaker 2: loss of range emotion in the joint system, as we
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  Speaker 2: have seen it in the clinical data, is a clear
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  Speaker 2: byproduct of a failure to move in natural ways or
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  Speaker 2: assume natural positions in the human body go to or
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  Speaker 2: achieve what we call end range movement of the joint system.
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  Speaker 2: When joints aren't moved through their full motion consistently and often,
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  Speaker 2: they begin to stiffen and lose that motion and mobility,
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  Speaker 2: and then they begin to ache and hurt.
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  Speaker 1: Can you break down and take like one joint that
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  Speaker 1: we have in our body and describe what end range
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  Speaker 1: means in that joint?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, the simple analogy I use oftentimes in the clinic
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  Speaker 2: when I'm engaging with someone is take your finger and
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  Speaker 2: bend it all the way back as far as it
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  Speaker 2: will go, and you'll reach a point where you feel
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  Speaker 2: strained to the point of almost pain. That is in range. Okay, Now,
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  Speaker 2: how often does your finger ever go that far? Well,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't. Well, how often does your knee or your hip,
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  Speaker 2: or your lower back, or your neck or your shoulder
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  Speaker 2: move to those extremes of movement that are available to
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  Speaker 2: that joint system. Well, it doesn't. We don't have We
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  Speaker 2: have a lifestyle where we inherently live in what i'll
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  Speaker 2: call mid range. We are working through a partial amount
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  Speaker 2: of our movement, but never accessing or using the end
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  Speaker 2: points of moving in that joint system. And let's face it,
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  Speaker 2: in the last fifty to seventy five years, that's gotten
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  Speaker 2: remarkably worse, because what are we all doing now that
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  Speaker 2: we weren't doing then? We're all sitting in a chair
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  Speaker 2: behind a screen, in front of a phone, in front
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  Speaker 2: of a tablet, in front of a computer. And if
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  Speaker 2: you tally up the total number of hours spent per
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  Speaker 2: day with with no movement really happening except some of
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  Speaker 2: that mid range stuff when you're moving between office, home, etc.
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  Speaker 2: We're spending twenty two plus hours a day not moving
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  Speaker 2: the joints at all, and we're rarely ever achieving in
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  Speaker 2: range movement.
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  Speaker 1: I was just going to say, it stands to reason
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  Speaker 1: then that most of those movements throughout the day aren't
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  Speaker 1: even nearing the end range for any of those joint systems.
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  Speaker 2: Not even close. And that's how we begin to slowly
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  Speaker 2: stiffen and lose motion. And that's where the confusion about
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  Speaker 2: what's actually going on starts to creep into the medical system.
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  Speaker 2: We aren't trained to look for these things in medicine.
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  Speaker 2: Most physicians, most pts, most cairos don't study the joint
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  Speaker 2: systems to that degree or to that extent and assess
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  Speaker 2: an examine thoroughly.
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  Speaker 3: Do they have.
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  Speaker 2: Range movement available in that joint system, because if they don't,
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  Speaker 2: that's generally the primary reason we see people hurting. It's
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  Speaker 2: not any more complicated than that. Really, it isn't.
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  Speaker 1: Here for most the rest of the hour, Chad Gray
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  Speaker 1: with Jointstrong dot Com. Chad. When you use words like
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  Speaker 1: loss of motion, pain, immediately people in our audience, I
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  Speaker 1: know my audience, a lot of them are thinking, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's called arthritis, and what are you gonna do?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so super common diagnosis. Of course, everybody gets it
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  Speaker 2: if you show up and you're over the age of
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  Speaker 2: forty and you start having an ache or a pain
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  Speaker 2: in some general joint system. What we now know about
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  Speaker 2: arthritis is this, As I mentioned in the last segment,
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  Speaker 2: there's consistently every time we examine people who come into
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  Speaker 2: the clinics with pain and a joint system, there is
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  Speaker 2: a loss of movement there. When you look at anybody
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  Speaker 2: who has an arthritis diagnosis, there's always a loss of
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  Speaker 2: movement in that joint associated with their pain. So the
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  Speaker 2: stiffness and the pain and the loss.
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  Speaker 3: Of movement are endomly connected.
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  Speaker 2: Again, the picture has been the primary way we've examined
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  Speaker 2: and diagnosed the condition. We take an X ray, we
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  Speaker 2: take an MRI, we take a CT scan sometimes and
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  Speaker 2: we look at that joint and we go, oh, we
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  Speaker 2: see there's some thinning of the carlage, and there's some
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  Speaker 2: wear and tear in there's some narrowing of the space between.
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  Speaker 2: But those changes on picture are not what cause pain.
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  Speaker 2: It's the gradual shortening or stiffening and fibrosing. It's almost
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  Speaker 2: a scarring down process that occurs to the ligaments that
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  Speaker 2: support that joint. The ligaments allow the joint to move
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  Speaker 2: through its full range of motion. Our quality of movement,
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  Speaker 2: our ability to get to en range, my ability to
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  Speaker 2: bend that fingerback like I talked about on the last
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  Speaker 2: segment and get to that endpoint is directly dictated by
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  Speaker 2: how much flexibility is in those ligament of structures and
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  Speaker 2: ligaments when left still for too long or when not
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  Speaker 2: moved to their endpoints will gradually scar in in fibros.
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  Speaker 2: That really is the hallmark characteristic of arthritis.
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  Speaker 1: Is that also why we see as people? And I've
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  Speaker 1: talked about it on the show, You and I have
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  Speaker 1: discussed it privately. Is that why you see as people?
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  Speaker 1: A many of them, not all, They start to hunch
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  Speaker 1: over more and then more and then more.
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  Speaker 2: That's another one of those joint systems that commonly goes
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  Speaker 2: only in one direction. Let's talk about the spine for
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  Speaker 2: a second here. It spends its life in what we
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  Speaker 2: call flexion or forward bending. We bend forward three to
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  Speaker 2: five thousand times a day. I think I mentioned that
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  Speaker 2: last time I was here a few months back. And
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  Speaker 2: we never go in the opposite direction. We never go
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  Speaker 2: in the opposite extreme of movement. So as I, as
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  Speaker 2: I age, and I spend more and more time bending forward,
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  Speaker 2: but less and less time straightening or bending all the
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  Speaker 2: way back as far as I can go, You're going
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  Speaker 2: to see a gradual loss of mobility. And that's why
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  Speaker 2: if you look across a population of seventy plus year olds,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to see a large segment of that population
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  Speaker 2: with that stooped forward bent slouched posture.
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  Speaker 1: So let's tie that together to what we were talking
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  Speaker 1: about with the arthritis diagnosis. That's the standard diagnosis out there.
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  Speaker 1: What are the connecting points to this?
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  Speaker 2: The the connecting points to this are relatively simple. Again,
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  Speaker 2: if I can teach people how to use range movement
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  Speaker 2: of the joint systems, we can stop the common manifestations
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  Speaker 2: that we see with arthritic change in the joint systems.
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  Speaker 2: The stiffening that occurs is preventable, the range of motion
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  Speaker 2: loss is preventable, or it's restorable, we can we can
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  Speaker 2: remodel and bring back that movement once it's been lost.
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  Speaker 2: If we can teach people how to use aggressive range
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  Speaker 2: movement protocols, we can keep people out of the system
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  Speaker 2: completely if we teach them how to access and use
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  Speaker 2: movement they aren't commonly using in their day, and by
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  Speaker 2: doing that, we stop and avoid those those common aches
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  Speaker 2: and pains that come and that send us kind of
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  Speaker 2: into into healthcare.
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  Speaker 1: All forms of arthritis or just some it's.
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  Speaker 2: It's the osteoarthritic diagnosis typically that we're talking about here.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you're you're rheumatoid.
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  Speaker 2: Arthritic processes are a completely different type of condition and
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  Speaker 2: require a different type of treatment, but your osteoarthriti is
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  Speaker 2: your most common one. Is most of the changes that occur,
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  Speaker 2: they are completely preventable and avoidable if we just teach
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  Speaker 2: people early and often in life how to access and
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  Speaker 2: approach those in range movements in the key joint systems.
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  Speaker 1: We've got about a minute left here in this segment.
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  Speaker 1: You've got a bunch of people that are probably between
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  Speaker 1: our age give or take a few years, and I
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  Speaker 1: think younger than me. What about those that have a
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  Speaker 1: progression already in place?
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  Speaker 2: So that progression once again is created by the gradual
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  Speaker 2: stiffening and shortening of those ligaments they started to scar
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  Speaker 2: in and fibrose. The beautiful thing about the human body
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  Speaker 2: is if I take tissue and I apply stress to it,
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  Speaker 2: it changes. If I appla stress to bone, it gets
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  Speaker 2: more dense, it gets stronger. If I applash stressed to
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  Speaker 2: muscle it hypertrophies, it gets bigger. If I apply stress
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  Speaker 2: to ligaments that are stiff and short, they will remodel
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  Speaker 2: themselves and become normal again. But I have to apply
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  Speaker 2: the stresses to.
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  Speaker 3: Them to make that process happen.
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  Speaker 2: That remodeling of ligament, that remodeling of tissue that's begun
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  Speaker 2: to shorten is a normal physiological process that happens in
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  Speaker 2: all humans. If you just ask the tissue to do it.
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  Speaker 2: That's the key ingredient here. You have to teach people
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  Speaker 2: how to access in range movement and engage those structures
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  Speaker 2: that have shortened and stiffened and reshape them and.
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  Speaker 1: Remodel them, and you have to encourage them to tolerate
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  Speaker 1: that process for a season.
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  Speaker 2: You can't be afraid of the pain, Yeah, and you
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  Speaker 2: don't suffer miserably afterwards. It's just while you're doing the action,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to hurt a little bit, but that pain
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  Speaker 2: is going to bait quickly. And what you're going to
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  Speaker 2: notice is, over the course of a few days, a
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  Speaker 2: few weeks of doing that, all of a sudden, magically
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  Speaker 2: things start to move better and hurt less.
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  Speaker 1: Thirty six minutes past. Two more segments here with Chad Gray. Chad,
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  Speaker 1: I want to segue into the sports world, and this
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  Speaker 1: is a world that you have had quite a bit
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  Speaker 1: of direct impact in some pretty high level arenas.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said earlier, we work with with athletes
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  Speaker 2: just about every level, consistently with our local high school athletes,
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  Speaker 2: of course in middle school athletes.
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  Speaker 3: But we have a platform now on the other side
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  Speaker 3: of town.
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  Speaker 2: Where we consistently engage with professional athletes and olympians as well,
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  Speaker 2: trying to to take those individuals once again and teaching
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  Speaker 2: the basic concepts of joint health and joint care. How
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  Speaker 2: do you how do you take care of the joint
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  Speaker 2: systems so that they'll serve you well in your sport
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  Speaker 2: and in your career. How do we prevent you from
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  Speaker 2: having the common injuries that occur in athletics, Because, as
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier, despite the fact that we've got access
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  Speaker 2: to all this technology and all these wonderful resources, when
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  Speaker 2: you reach that level of athleticism, when you're when you're
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  Speaker 2: in that professional and olympic sphere, you've got access to
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  Speaker 2: every resource you need. Every great surgeon, every great massage therapist,
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  Speaker 2: physical therapists, chiropractor, every every resource you need on the
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  Speaker 2: planet is there at your fingertips because you've got the
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  Speaker 2: money to access it. But despite the fact that they've
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  Speaker 2: had all that access, we've seen a continued spike or
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  Speaker 2: escalation and the injury rates in those professional leagues year
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  Speaker 2: over year that is not slowing down.
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  Speaker 3: Or changing at all.
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  Speaker 2: And so we've started a different approach of all right,
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  Speaker 2: let's try to work on preventative models. Let's take what
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  Speaker 2: we've learned in the clinic and embed that and build
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  Speaker 2: that into the training and performance models for athletes so
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  Speaker 2: that we're optimizing their capabilities to excel in their support.
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  Speaker 1: You're seeing now kids with injuries, ailments, concerns that are
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  Speaker 1: not common twenty five, thirty years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty years ago. When we first started in clinical
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  Speaker 2: practice here, it was an outlier event to see a
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  Speaker 2: sixteen or a seventeen year old come in with severe
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  Speaker 2: low back pain or neck pain. And now all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden, it's twenty or thirty or more percent of
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  Speaker 2: our day is spent screening and examining these kids with stiff,
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  Speaker 2: painful backs, weakness in the limbs as a result of
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  Speaker 2: the spinal problem. And it's clearly a byproduct of how
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  Speaker 2: much time these kids are now spending and seated positions
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  Speaker 2: and postures in school, in front of gaming systems, in
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  Speaker 2: front of cell phones all day long on social media.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the consistent pattern of movement, of poor posture,
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  Speaker 2: of positioning themselves in a sedentary way, and then intermingle
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  Speaker 2: that with the action on the field and in training
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  Speaker 2: and in practices has created an epidemic of back pain,
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  Speaker 2: for instance, in this country and that demographic in that group,
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  Speaker 2: and all of it's preventable and avoidable. If you teach
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  Speaker 2: these athletes how to apply the right protocols to prevent
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  Speaker 2: those common injuries, it creates a better athlete. It creates
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  Speaker 2: a more injury resistant athlete. It creates an athlete that
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  Speaker 2: can access power and force more efficiently when you protect
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  Speaker 2: the joint systems first.
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  Speaker 1: Chad Gray with me. Jointstrong dot com is the website
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  Speaker 1: where you can learn more and follow up on some
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: of the things. And we're we talked about in the
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  Speaker 1: break this is shotgun time. We'll go. We'll go with
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  Speaker 1: slugs the next time we visit and get a little
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  Speaker 1: more specific on some items. What would you say to parents,
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  Speaker 1: because it is the time of year, the kids are
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  Speaker 1: back in school, kids are back playing sports, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: recreational sports or competitive sports, some more serious than others,
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  Speaker 1: but sports or sports, they put stresses on joints in
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  Speaker 1: the body. What would you say to moms and dads out.
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  Speaker 2: There, Yeah, we have to rethink how we are training
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  Speaker 2: and skilling up and preparing our kids to enter athletics.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the high schools and middle schools just don't
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  Speaker 2: have access access to a lot of resources, So you
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  Speaker 2: need to kind of take control and oversee and kind
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  Speaker 2: of manage some of what's happening to your kids. As
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier in the segment, mobile has to be
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  Speaker 2: the first thing we look at. We have to look
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  Speaker 2: at range emotion, in range movement of all the key
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  Speaker 2: joint systems to make sure that's the foundation of how
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  Speaker 2: we start training our kids. If I can get them
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  Speaker 2: to move well first, if I can access all of
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  Speaker 2: the range emotion at all the key joint systems they're
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  Speaker 2: going to be using in their sport first, then lay
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  Speaker 2: strength on top of that.
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  Speaker 3: Second.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a really great foundation to prevent common injuries
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  Speaker 2: from happening, to keep them in sport longer, to keep
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: them performing at their highest possible level longer, and to
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  Speaker 2: let them eventually escalate to that next level if that's
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: where they want to go.
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  Speaker 1: When you say strength, are you talking literally appropriate age,
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  Speaker 1: appropriate weight training.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm talking about not dropping them right into the
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  Speaker 2: Olympic lifting room on day one and trying to teach
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  Speaker 2: them how to do a clean and jerk or a
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  Speaker 2: squat or deadlifts and things like that. No, get them
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  Speaker 2: to move well first, put them out on the floor. Second,
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  Speaker 2: and teach them how to manage their own body weight first.
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  Speaker 2: You know, how can I handle body weight type exercises?
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  Speaker 2: How can I do plyometric type exercises? How can I
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  Speaker 2: do those functional things that really equate to much better
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  Speaker 2: strength and power than you access or get in the
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  Speaker 2: Olympic room.
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  Speaker 1: Are are young men and we know they're made different,
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  Speaker 1: but are they skeletonally speaking different?
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  Speaker 2: Do you do?
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  Speaker 1: You have to approach end range of motion differently for
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  Speaker 1: a young man versus a young woman.
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  Speaker 2: No exact same okay, exact same type of approach happens there.
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  Speaker 2: Once again, look at the ability to move the joint
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  Speaker 2: system through its full range of motion. Make sure that's
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  Speaker 2: available first. And if you teach them how to consistently
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  Speaker 2: utilize those in range movement protocols on top of their strength,
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  Speaker 2: conditioning and development processes, then you have a well rounded,
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  Speaker 2: injury resistant athlete that is capable of performing at their
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  Speaker 2: highest level. We don't have that happening anywhere in athletics
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  Speaker 2: right now. In the world that I know of, we
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  Speaker 2: don't have this kind of hyper rests of stance and
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  Speaker 2: move no pun intended towards getting athletes to the end
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  Speaker 2: of their range emotion consistently before we put them on
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  Speaker 2: the strength and conditioning floor intermediately or during the strength
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  Speaker 2: and conditioning protocols. I need to interrupt those processes within
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  Speaker 2: range movement and at the end of their strength and
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  Speaker 2: conditioning process, I need to introduce them to those in
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  Speaker 2: range movement protocols. We have to consistently be pushing the
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  Speaker 2: joints to their endpoints so that we are getting to
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  Speaker 2: the point where we're stopping these common injuries from happening.
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  Speaker 1: You have actual experience with you mentioned Olympic athletes, but
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  Speaker 1: professional sports franchises. You're demonstrating this, You're proving this as
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  Speaker 1: this is what works and keeps athletes playing sports and
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  Speaker 1: doing so in a healthy manner.
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  Speaker 2: We're going in and training trainers, training teams, training coaches,
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  Speaker 2: training staffs to understand how to implement these protocols. We've
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  Speaker 2: created and designed a platform across town in our facility
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  Speaker 2: over their Town Center Fitness in Southwood to introduce these
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  Speaker 2: concepts to athletes and our programming out there. We're trying
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  Speaker 2: to teach and educate all the people that are accessing
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  Speaker 2: you know, these kids, these athletes at every platform, at
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: every level, how to apply these protocols so we can
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  Speaker 2: stop this common pattern of injury from happening in sports
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  Speaker 2: and athletics and keep our kids engaged so they can
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  Speaker 2: reach the goals and the and the heights they want
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: to reach in their sport.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Kid comes home, they said they've they've got a sprained
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: ankle or a sprained wrist, or they tweak something in
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: their back. What's the first thing mom and dad ought
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  Speaker 1: to do?
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  Speaker 3: If there's trauma involved.
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  Speaker 2: We do always recommend at least inn X ray so
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: we can just see and make sure there's nothing fractured
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: or broken. But after that you need to have the
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: triage and you need to start moving it. We've got
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: to start once again gaining movement back once a sprain
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: strainer injury happens. First step is always gain movement back,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: then see what's left over second after that.
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  Speaker 1: So immobilization is not normally the proper thing.
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  Speaker 2: To do, not the thing to do anymore, and the
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: rest ice and elevation theory has been tossed out. The
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: window and is no longer viable now it doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: Have any science to support it.
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  Speaker 2: So now we ice temporarily only in the first eighteen
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: to twenty four hours, and after that we start movement.
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  Speaker 3: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: I love it when you come in here. Thanks for
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: making time, Thanks for having me, Chad Gray. It is
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: jointstrong dot com. And hopefully I would put it this way.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: This is about just putting a comma on your injuries,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: your stiffness, your pain. Don't put a period and say
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: well I gotta do this. Learn about your options and
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: learn about how to perhaps figure out how you can
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: almost become your own doctor and treat yourself by just
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: learning what to do. I think you're going to find
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: some help there. Jointstrong dot com