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EP176 - The Hunger Games - Mockingjay (Part 1) · Thirsty For More - Movie Review

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  Speaker 1: Them balls and my dicken balls taking balls.
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  Speaker 2: It's not working. My Netflix is not working.
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  Speaker 1: You know hunger pants network hare what.
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  Speaker 3: I get the network here?
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  Speaker 4: Two?
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  Speaker 2: And I am connected to fishes content content?
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  Speaker 1: Oh step way back to what contact?
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  Speaker 2: That's no internet connection or internet Maybe.
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  Speaker 1: We stepped on something. Is there going to a merchant to.
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  Speaker 2: Me saying no internets?
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  Speaker 5: Ship?
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  Speaker 2: Should I put five gees?
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  Speaker 1: I haven't? Are you eating some poo?
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  Speaker 5: Are you eating some pooh? I mean all the time.
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  Speaker 5: When you have a cat, dude, you never know, you
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  Speaker 5: never know where.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing about cats.
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  Speaker 5: That's the thing about any animal. That's the thing about humans, dude.
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  Speaker 5: Humans are full of poo all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, everywhere, all pervasive. Yeah, and it's what they say,
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  Speaker 2: there's always acceptable amount of pooh?
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  Speaker 5: Are you? Are you acceptable amount of pood?
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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Hungry for More. I'm your
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  Speaker 1: host Alex.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm Malenko and I'm Anna, and today we're talking
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  Speaker 5: about Hunger Games. King J Part one, Part three, Part time.
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  Speaker 5: The the commitment to its own lore, even in the titles.
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  Speaker 5: I appreciate.
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  Speaker 2: What the part of one part Yeah, that.
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  Speaker 5: It's like a two parter of it's part it's part
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  Speaker 5: three of the story we're watching, but it's it's sticking
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  Speaker 5: to its own law of being, Like, no, we're using
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  Speaker 5: this hyphenated title. It's the mocking Jay Part one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because they're doing it by the book.
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  Speaker 1: And this is definitely creating Alien three of the series.
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  Speaker 5: And I like it in the same way I like.
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  Speaker 1: I like it too. This feels like this was the
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  Speaker 1: movie that made me like sort of start reconsidering, not
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  Speaker 1: just like, oh I like it because I liked the
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  Speaker 1: second one a lot, but the second one is Terminator
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  Speaker 1: two or Alien. But this one made me think like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is like this series is like Aliens.
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  Speaker 6: It is Yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Like she's like Ripley. It's it's oh no, like I
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  Speaker 1: have problems being the hero even though I am the
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  Speaker 1: hero of the movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And also the vibe of this one feels the most
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  Speaker 1: like highest budget, highest of all, like the most well
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  Speaker 1: made of the movies. I think these ones are the
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  Speaker 1: most like film miic and like they're the most like
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  Speaker 1: beyond like budgetary stuff. It's all just feels like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is a real movie. This is the real movie, guys.
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  Speaker 5: Part of part of me it's interesting that you mentioned
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  Speaker 5: that because part of me, like part of the little
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  Speaker 5: kid that enjoys this series in me feels the like
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  Speaker 5: disappointment of there not being an actual Hunger games part,
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  Speaker 5: like a games element, because I feel like as a kid,
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  Speaker 5: that's the kind of thing you get most excited about,
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  Speaker 5: is that there are games, you know. But like it's
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  Speaker 5: it's cool for the adult me as like the story
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  Speaker 5: of like this revolution basically right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, like it's interesting for a movie that is
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  Speaker 1: about ostensibly about the games themselves, it shows so little
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  Speaker 1: of them that it's like, but the it's it feels
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  Speaker 1: like such a nice way of funneling down and distilling
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  Speaker 1: what is the dystopic aspects of the world that you
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  Speaker 1: live in. It's it's distilled in the games themselves, right,
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  Speaker 1: So you don't have to have the games at all.
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  Speaker 2: Now, it's it's the life.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and that's exactly You're right, that's exactly the It's
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  Speaker 5: bled over into everything and we notice the really this
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  Speaker 5: one is about the veil being lifted, and we're noticing
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  Speaker 5: the way in which our lives are affected by this
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  Speaker 5: entire system all the time, all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, I was going to say, is the Alien three,
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  Speaker 2: the one with the doctor. The hot doctor went.
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  Speaker 7: I got more than a little drunk. Then I got
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  Speaker 7: called back blowing on a fuel plant and there were
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  Speaker 7: thirty casualties, and eleven of them died as a result
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  Speaker 7: of the accident. But because I prescribed the wrong dosage
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  Speaker 7: of painkiller.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it also looks like it because it's like underground,
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  Speaker 2: it's industrial. It's like orange orange.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: The the.
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  Speaker 5: Underground element also reminded me of machine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, just definitely.
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  Speaker 5: Has suspect has zion aspects.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Zi.
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  Speaker 2: And I have to say this is the I feel
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  Speaker 2: like we're My biggest disappointment in this movie comes from
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  Speaker 2: like the beginning of this movie is like, oh no,
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  Speaker 2: because like the fact that there's this army that lives
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  Speaker 2: underground for seventy five years and has some kind of
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  Speaker 2: technology and machinery.
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  Speaker 5: Machine. Well, they were like they built the tunnels, and
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  Speaker 5: what were they eating? I doesn't make each other? Well
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  Speaker 5: here here, here's that's the real hunger games.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they did say like, oh, there's no children here.
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  Speaker 2: They're eating their own children.
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  Speaker 5: That's true. Actually, there was like an epidemic wife about here.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, here's the They did say that.
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  Speaker 2: And the next movies they found out cat has found out.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's where she got.
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  Speaker 5: Made of people. They're making our food out of people.
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  Speaker 5: The next thing they'll be breeding like cattle for food.
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  Speaker 5: You gotta tell them, you gotta tell him.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta tell him, silent braidish paper.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, Like it is interesting though we're bringing
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  Speaker 5: up so many references, but like this kind of like
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  Speaker 5: our human obsession with devouring each other and devouring ourselves and.
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  Speaker 6: Devours and.
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  Speaker 5: I mean I was obsessed with devours twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: Things that came out of me.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: One thing that that we get context.
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  Speaker 5: To finish what I was saying, his release escape from
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  Speaker 5: Planet Devours.
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  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, really really nice escape from escape from Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: totally speaking of escaping, the capital captures a bunch of
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  Speaker 8: the people, uh that.
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  Speaker 1: Are close to our main characters in these ones. So
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  Speaker 1: we get the opening of Catus waking up.
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  Speaker 5: The cold open aspect this maybe this movie did a
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  Speaker 5: lot of really kind of like sorry to interrupt, you
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  Speaker 5: did a lot of really cool filmic things of like, uh,
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  Speaker 5: just I love like the the like cut to opening
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  Speaker 5: credits of when when she walks into the room and
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  Speaker 5: what does she say so.
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  Speaker 2: The first thing we see is she's in the dark
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  Speaker 2: and she's repeating to herself, thinks, you know, remember what
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  Speaker 2: you know? My name is Catiness. I'm from District twelve.
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  Speaker 2: Like you know, like when you're like so confused by reality,
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  Speaker 2: you're trying to cling trying to cling to what she knows.
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  Speaker 2: And then she walks in.
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  Speaker 1: She walks into Phoenix room, and she finds out that
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  Speaker 1: Annie Phoinix partner and Peter is captured, captures by the
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  Speaker 1: Capitol and then what's her name? The sister room again Prim,
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  Speaker 1: Prim is like brushing her hair. Uh, and we get
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  Speaker 1: introduced to Colonel Boggs. Colonel Yeah, Yeah, he's great.
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  Speaker 5: And so awesome in this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's one of.
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  Speaker 5: The texting reacting to all the casting choices. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 5: were just in I just seeing like as each character
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  Speaker 5: would show up more, I don't know what to say.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's he's one of those guys who can
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  Speaker 1: wear super tiny circle glasses and be like super cool
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  Speaker 1: about it, and you'd be like, oh, nothing looks like weird.
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  Speaker 5: Is that why he's playing the new Blade? Probably he
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  Speaker 5: can rock circle glasses.
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  Speaker 1: He's such a perfect update for blade, because he's so svelt,
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  Speaker 1: he's so jacked but so swelt and like clothes just
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  Speaker 1: like you could just throw clothes at him and it'll
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  Speaker 1: just like perfectly fit him.
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  Speaker 5: And he makes a very good sort of like severe
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  Speaker 5: kind of face. Like when when he looks at you,
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  Speaker 5: it's there's a there's a hint of like authority, kind
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  Speaker 5: of sexiness, and like he's just got like a vibe
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  Speaker 5: like he's just kind of like walking around and he's
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  Speaker 5: got a calm confidence.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, speaking of vibes and calm confidence. The lack
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  Speaker 1: of confidence in Philip Timour Hoffmann is interesting in this
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  Speaker 1: one because he's so much like that's it, that's her
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  Speaker 1: right there, deflated. It feels a little bit like he
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  Speaker 1: he knows that the part that he was supposed to
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  Speaker 1: do what is done now, so he can be relaxed
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  Speaker 1: a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: I gave you the eyebrows of like I'm gonna make
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  Speaker 5: the edgy heroin jokes. But she looked to me like
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  Speaker 5: it's the heroine that made him slowchyl.
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  Speaker 2: Pluetark lost his purpose in life. No, I mean it's
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  Speaker 2: it's interesting because he's in a different situation and now
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  Speaker 2: there's another person he's responsible to.
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  Speaker 1: He's a plutarident.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the Madam President who is rocking my hairstyle and
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  Speaker 2: is a communist.
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  Speaker 5: So wait, so okay. I find Julian Moore's character really interesting,
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  Speaker 5: and I do feel like we should spend a good
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  Speaker 5: amount of time talking about her because she is I
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  Speaker 5: don't know what to make of her character, to be honest, like,
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  Speaker 5: I understand the circumstances that have led to her being
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  Speaker 5: the way she is, but I feel like she's kind
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  Speaker 5: of like a pretty like bad bad actor in this movie.
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  Speaker 5: Even you can tell we haven't even gotten to the
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  Speaker 5: second one, and already you can tell a bunch of things.
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  Speaker 9: Resident Coin plays a lot to her vest she keeps
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  Speaker 9: a lot to herself, but also in the books, there's
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  Speaker 9: not there's not so much known about her. There's a
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  Speaker 9: lot of blanks to fill into. Were you able to
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  Speaker 9: contribute or give any input into kind of how she
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  Speaker 9: appears on screen and can you talk about like your
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  Speaker 9: contributions there.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, quite a bit.
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  Speaker 11: I mean actually we were able to contribute quite a bit.
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  Speaker 11: And Francis Lawrence, our director, was so incredibly generous and
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  Speaker 11: helpful because we talked a lot about that about how
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  Speaker 11: you know, in the book almost represented, you really only
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  Speaker 11: see her from Katus's point of view, so you just
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  Speaker 11: kind of get the edge of her.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know who she is.
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  Speaker 11: You know how she looks. You know she's long, you
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  Speaker 11: know this long silver hair and gray eyes, eyes a
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  Speaker 11: color of slush. They say, but we don't understand what
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  Speaker 11: kind of a leader she is. And so Francis.
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  Speaker 10: And I talked a lot about what her political evolution was,
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  Speaker 10: and I thought about the notion of what it means
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  Speaker 10: to be underground all of those years and try to
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  Speaker 10: make yourself to lead in a way, but have to
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  Speaker 10: make yourself small and to be economical and to.
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  Speaker 11: Be resourceful, and what that means in terms of the
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  Speaker 11: way you behave and what your expectations are.
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  Speaker 2: I think what the problem is with this character is,
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  Speaker 2: in my case, with the whole story plot, because what
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  Speaker 2: the story wanted it is to create like an equal
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  Speaker 2: and opposite power, which is and they made it more collectivists.
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  Speaker 2: So they're all wearing the same color, they're wearing jumpsuits.
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  Speaker 5: You don't have the same luxuries.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the like the needs of individual are not as portant,
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  Speaker 2: and the need as the needs of the collective, and
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  Speaker 2: the president says that to Catinus.
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  Speaker 5: But they have like untouched nature outside that they all
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  Speaker 5: really appreciate and kind of go to, like seek solace in,
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  Speaker 5: like Catiness.
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  Speaker 1: Alma Coin, which is a great name, Alma Coin.
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  Speaker 2: Alma she's also someone who made sacrifices for the collective herself.
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  Speaker 2: She lost a husband and a daughter.
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  Speaker 5: Wait wait wait wait sorry sorry, So do they not
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  Speaker 5: all go out? Do they do? They always just only
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  Speaker 5: stay down down there.
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  Speaker 2: There is a moment where Catnus is trying to catch
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  Speaker 2: an animal I forgot which and because she's traumatized, she's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I can't kill him. But also the animal is not
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  Speaker 2: running away because it's not afraid of people.
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  Speaker 1: Paper.
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  Speaker 2: So my conclusion is that no, they're not hunting these
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  Speaker 2: animals outside. So my conclusion is, like, this makes no sense.
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  Speaker 2: Have they been they because they say the war never
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  Speaker 2: stopped for us, which means the whole district thirteen.
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  Speaker 5: It's a militant district.
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  Speaker 2: There was supposed to be the poorest one, Like why
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  Speaker 2: would they be a military district?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know why. That's that part of it
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  Speaker 5: doesn't make sense because they have all this random artillery artillery, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Which is very like it's which is very like high
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  Speaker 2: tech contemporary, like well all this like planes.
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  Speaker 5: And you're right, as they go out in the districts,
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  Speaker 5: they get more and.
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  Speaker 2: More, which is like when I was hoping for the
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  Speaker 2: sequel or waiting for the sequel, I hope, I hope
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  Speaker 2: it was going to be a revolution the way the
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  Speaker 2: revolutions fucking look like, and it's a bunch of poor
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  Speaker 2: people hanging around in fucking forest and attacking you know,
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  Speaker 2: commands or whatever. Maybe they just.
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  Speaker 5: Felt that they wouldn't be able to, like, it wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: be believable to see people like that succeed in a revolution.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe they just felt like filmically or story wise in.
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  Speaker 2: The book, like I feel like they wanted to bring
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  Speaker 2: another ideology, which, like you know, the panem is very
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  Speaker 2: like spectacle capitalism, you know, the center of the periphery,
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  Speaker 2: the semi periphery, and this is like small communist military kind.
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  Speaker 5: Of just feels like different countries rather than exactly it
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  Speaker 5: feels like warring countries rather than than what you're in
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  Speaker 5: a like an occupation of an entire sort of of
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  Speaker 5: like people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I feel like it's kind of messy.
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  Speaker 2: But as soon as I saw it, it was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: there's like all these like soldiers ready who have like
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  Speaker 2: hierarchies and shit, I'm like, I mean, they would have it,
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  Speaker 2: but they wouldn't fucking look like that.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like, honestly, I thought I thought the implication
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  Speaker 1: in the other ones was that District thirteen. I thought
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  Speaker 1: that that District thirteen was almost entirely destroyed and this
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  Speaker 1: is the remnants of that District thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it would be like if you're destroyed and then
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  Speaker 1: your entire ideology is based on fighting what you perceive
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  Speaker 1: as the outgroup of what these guys are fighting, and
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  Speaker 1: then but you have that as you're backing, you would
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  Speaker 1: like sort of evolve into that kind of No.
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  Speaker 2: No, yeah, absolutely, that's not the that's not the issue. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: if they had to, if the assumptions they've been doing
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  Speaker 2: this for seventy five years, yeah, yeah, they would become
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  Speaker 2: their own country. Everyone would be Yeah, I mean, they
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  Speaker 2: would have a collect to this ideology. That's not the issue. Issues, Like,
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  Speaker 2: there's no way that in any world this could happen
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  Speaker 2: because they have no resource. You can't build anything anything isolated.
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  Speaker 1: Like where do they get getting where getting any research power?
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  Speaker 5: All of it.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like living underground for like seventy five years,
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  Speaker 2: Like their fucking DNA would change, they would become amphibian.
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  Speaker 2: Like it just makes no sense, It.
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  Speaker 5: Doesn't make any sense. You're right, you're right. It is
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  Speaker 5: a big, it's pretty glaring plot.
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  Speaker 2: Well, once they wanted to, they wanted to simplify the plot,
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  Speaker 2: which is like, if they would actually do the whole
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: let's start from the beginning. You're gathering rebels, you're doing
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  Speaker 2: the you know, like recruiting, you're fighting, you're dying, you're
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  Speaker 2: like getting diseases, whatever, it wouldn't be an Like, it
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't be a setup for Catnets to walk into something
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  Speaker 2: and then feel like the outsider in that in the
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  Speaker 2: same way that she is.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly the whole point of this charade, I think is
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  Speaker 5: to get us to believe that Catness is once again
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  Speaker 5: at a disadvantage. And also it kind of each movie
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  Speaker 5: tries to bring the beginning of Cateness down, the stakes down,
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  Speaker 5: so that she can like they're always coaxing her in
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  Speaker 5: the movie to be like you need to be the
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  Speaker 5: realization of everything, so that there's always a becoming of Catness.
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  Speaker 5: But like this was our attempt, like now and she.
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  Speaker 1: Said she even says it. A coin says it to
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  Speaker 1: her when she says, oh, when you broke the dome,
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  Speaker 1: you ignited something in the rest of the districts yea, right,
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  Speaker 1: And so they see District thirteen sees this as an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to use the political momentum and the figurehead of
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  Speaker 1: Catness as a sort of like symbol for this revolution.
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  Speaker 5: In order to succeed in overthrowing the capitol.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. From again, it's not that they're using this. They
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  Speaker 2: have made her like she was a part of this plan.
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  Speaker 2: They had her knowing anything about it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And so like we get kind of the reveal.
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  Speaker 5: There's a little bit of a betrayal in a sense
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  Speaker 5: because they like we get the reveal that Sinna knew
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  Speaker 5: about this, and like, but he's like he didn't want
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  Speaker 5: them to show her. They redeem him by being like
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: they didn't want it to show her these designs until
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  Speaker 5: she herself had decided to become the symbol of the
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  Speaker 5: mocking Jay. Yeah, so like that's a little bit like
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  Speaker 5: I don't know again, I'm like, there was so many
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  Speaker 5: people pulling the strings to like get this like tribute
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  Speaker 5: that that like maybe they maybe they were ignited by
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  Speaker 5: the act alone of her sacrificing herself for her sister
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  Speaker 5: meant that like that was just enough that everyone needed
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  Speaker 5: to get activated and radicalized and like start this like
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  Speaker 5: network of like were they organized. This is what I
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  Speaker 5: don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: I think they started. The implication is that they started
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: organizing like somewhere from the end of her first Hunger
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Games to the beginning of the second one.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there must have been the sort
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: of dual planning of we have this organization that is
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: working behind the scenes, uh, and for decades to try
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: and do this, and this was the opportunity, This was
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the igniting factor that was like, oh, this Dovetail's nice.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: This person dovetails really nicely with our revolution that we've
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: built up. Now we have a symbol for that, because
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: people don't, like I mean, it's hard to convince people
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: with groups, and it's easier to convince them with a symbol, right, Yeah.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: And also they do kind of acknowledge that in a
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: floppy way when she like goes through the hungers hungers, hungers,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I guess yeah, and sees the artillery that they have
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: and all the bombs and the fighter fucking planes and whatever.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: She's like, oh, you had this the whole time when
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: the capitals was like torturing us for like decades, and
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: they were like, oh, well we didn't, you know, like
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: we weren't as strong of a power, so if we
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: did anything, we would lose.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: And but but then she's like, that's what you criticized Pete. Well,
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: so like we're I think we're skipping ahead. Where are
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: we in the moon?
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Were she wants a Cantinas wants to go back to
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: District eleven. She's from this District twelve. Yeah, she goes
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: back to District twelve to see what they to see
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: what they did.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: They are basically emotionally manipulated her because she's like, I
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: don't care. I just care about PETA's life. I don't
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: know who the fuck you are. I just want Peta,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: And they're like, ship, what are we gonna do? Let her?
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: And then the idea is let her see what happened
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: after she was after the end of the second Games,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: because her strict is completely gone. So they're like, let
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: her feel these feelings and the president is like, Oh,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: she can handle it. But they're like, but.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: She needs to get that red concat.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we need her. Yeah, we're gonna orchestrate her real emotions.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: Because he always does seem like he's very Machiavelian. Still,
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: he's always pulling the strings. He's he's he's goibeles. Yeah,
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: he's he's like a minister of like propapaganda, and he's
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: always thinking about the spin like he's always like, yeah,
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: and there, that's what it is.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: And yes. And that's also the kind of the critique
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: that I have of it is just like I feel
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: like the movie ultimately is like, Oh, there's the individual
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: who loves their people and that's all that matters. And
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: then any kind of anything above it, any kind of
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: collectivist structure that's above it, is just going to use
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: you to manipulate you for their own goals and you
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: shouldn't care about.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think that's wrong. I because
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: the way that movements like this work, and it's every
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: organization works this way, is that you have people who
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: are the mass of people that you need to organize
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: around something. You have a mid level idea that is
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: doing the organization, and then you have a top the
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: hierarchy of the leader that's leading them. And in my mind,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: like the notion that this group exists as of course
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: as a collective, you still need structures in those things nothing.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you need, like I understand the structures
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: that you you know, you need soldiers. The fucking Cockham's
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: word is the sole classic soldier. A soldier. You have colonels, Yeah,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: you have the Yeah, of course you have. And of
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: course there are people who need to motivate people. So
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: because people are giving up their lives, right, so they
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: need to believe in something that's bigger than themselves. So
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: they're manipulating them with catinets. But yeah, I don't know
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: what I was going to say.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Well, just like in terms of the the I guess
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: like my idea is that the critique that you have
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: is you can criticize that, but every organization exists in
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: that way, Like no organization exists as just a collectivist
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and as just a individuals. They're all just the same.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: They're the same, they just have a different idea, they're.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: All just the same SAMEY came out.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Well, they are the same because like like individual in
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the same way that like no place exists in terms
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: of you're seeing.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: The nature of human like humanity and the structures of
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: like you're talking about the contract, you're talking about the
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: social contract.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: That's what the snow is talking about.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: That's what snow is talking about, right, Like, well, I'm
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: more saying that if if we're going to look at
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: it as like, uh, we can simplify and say it's
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: collectivists versus individual But the the the Snow doesn't operate
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: as we Snow operates as them as collectives too. They're
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: just separated into districts that that he can manipulate and control,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: whereas with this it's just a much more we're the
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: district that's fighting an entity that's that's that exists, that
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: controls us, right, and they can exist in that because
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: they're a smaller collective right there, Whereas if the districts
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: were all more in line with each other, they all
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: existed the same, they'd be harder to manipulate in that way,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know what you mean. I think you know
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: the movie is I think it's doing it's still functioning
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: on like pretty high level and doing a pretty good
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: job of capturing, you know, the dramatic element of how
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: these types of stories unfold, right, And that's what's compelling it.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: It remains compelling in that I have to agree.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not. I don't want to sound like
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I'm criticizing. I think it is actually a really good
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: portrayal of human tragedy off war or the ways that
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: we are all, you know, not just manipulated, not just
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: the part like not just irrelevant in the gram scheme
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: of things, but the actual suffering that people go through
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: in a situation where sometimes nobody cares about your and
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: your fucking family, you know what I mean?
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean, like I honestly like watching this
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: one specifically. I can't help but but like, notice how
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: similar the images are to what's going on in Palestine,
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: Like like it looks, it looks like eerally like all
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: like walking by bodies, just like they because they have
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: no resources, just like strewn like on floors, like some
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: of them are dead catenuses. Like it smells, it's like
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: it was like visceral in a way, and like bold
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: for a movie to show this level of like human
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: tragedy in a way like this is for kids again,
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: like this is like a ya, I know it's for
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: like young adults or whatever, but like it's like, I
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: don't know, it's pretty dramatically compelling, and it showed it
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: in a way where I was like this, this is
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: this is so eerily similar looking to what I now
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: see on my like phone every day.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or like even like the bombing of the hospital.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, don't we're doing that.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, Like well like no, yeah, I mean we'll
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: get there.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks very it's very scary and similar. Absolutely.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: She goes into her own house, the new house, and.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: Okay, okay, okay, sorry, so why why do you think
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: that I wanted to ask you. Do you think they
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: on purpose left the house just untouched?
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: That's like, oh yeah, of course, yeah, of course. Because
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: she finds the rose that yeah, that oh.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: The dick vein rose. She looks at the roses got
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: a bunch of of his dick veins in it, and
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: he's like, yes, cadness, they were three D printed for
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: my dick veins.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: But then we get we get She she like goes
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: through the house to to like, yeah, it was definitely
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a power move because she wants to see, uh, he
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: wants them to see the rose and that he did
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: it on purpose as a power move and then powers
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: as a powers booth. And then we get Snow getting
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: shaved and he gets that little cut and he touched.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: Okay, he for sure killed that person after right, like
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: because the way he like gently looks at it.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's just the tiniest c g drop of blood.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and the white like the white rose and
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: the blood is also going to be relevant later. Just
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: so nice about the lore about the poison and the
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: covering of the smell.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: I forgot about the poison. I forgot about That's.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Also important for the prequel to. It's like, all it's
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: all so connected connected, But here we have an amazing
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: scene which I missed the first time when I watched it.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: So Presidence now is like gathering his people and he's
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: getting ready to like do like to share it to
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: everyone about the you know.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: So he's like, we're built on peace and yeah, so.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: He's thinking about phrasing it. Don't call them rebels because
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: that gives them legitimate powers. So yeah, it's also similar
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: to like Nordon, Ireland and how Margaret Thatcher never wanted
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: to call them soldiers and call them criminals.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: Because yeah, yea, because once you give them legitimacy like that,
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: you give the cause legitimacy, and then.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: It's a political fight exactly, and.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: Then and then the prisoners are political prisoners.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I like that they used that, and I
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: think there was a lot of usage in a lot
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: of real conflicts that's happening. But the fun part is
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: when he's doing the speech his daughter from the previous
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: part that that like granddaughter like to wear weight, they'd
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: like to wear the catns braid. He's talking about how
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: because of these radicals are doing this, just terrorists are
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: doing this. We're like we're putting a band to anything
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: mocking Jay related, and his granddaughter just slowly takes off
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the brooch that she had in her hair, which is
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: obviously like.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: In front of him.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: Just but I think they did that.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Lost the idea. He already lost. His own fucking family
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: is on her side, like it's over.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the empire is falling. And this idea to that,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I love the idea that the capital is the heart
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and nothing can survive without the heart, No animal can
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: survive without its heart, you know that kind of all
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the kind of imagery that he's trying to evoke, the
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: patriotism and all that. But like this is the I
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: think this is the interesting thing about.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: It's also lock. It's Leviah Ton right, yeah, totally.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: At least it is non stop with with with the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: way that that was it you who said, see you
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: think it's the same. But like in my mind, if
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: if the the structures that you're using are the same
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: in both ways of of either revolution or counter revolution
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: and so on, then like the ending to me isn't
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: a cynical thing of oh it's individuality versus collectivism. It's
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: more just that like powers always will end up being corruptible.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think what you're trying to say now is
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: it's also a conversation that we had at university and
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: we had this very leftist professor and like it was
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: his name, say his name, No, No, he was really old.
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: Fuck.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I can't believe I forgot his name, his face, I
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: know his voice, I know the way he talks. It's
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: just escaping me right now. Anyway, he's like an old
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: school leftist and you're I'm sure you remember and you
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: probably learned about it in university. That was like this
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: big topic and like the social sciences about like totalitarian
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: regimes and how they're the same. So the right and
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: the left is like it's all the same, you yeah,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: And he was really like deeply upset about said about that,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: because if if it was what you're saying, if the
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: certain ideologies that are opposite use same techniques or use
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the same tools to achieve the goal, that does not
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: make them the same because the end goal is different.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: One is coming from the idea of liberation and the
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: one is preserving something like status quo. Right, So if
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: they and the whole autitarian everyone's the same, you know,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: like yeah, like just by the fact that when you
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: say like big powers and how power corrupts, just because
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: two sides use same tools or same methods of achieving
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: a thing doesn't make them the same.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Evil.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: No, No, No, I'm not. I don't believe that. I don't
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: believe it. I don't believe it. No, I don't.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that they're the same, that the
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: ideologies are the same. But you can separate. You can't
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: holistically separate things ideologically if you are ultimately doing if
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the actions are the same.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what this whole movie is trying to prove.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: And that's the ending and how it proves it. I'm
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: not gonna go ahead say why and how they cement
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: this this debate, which is sometimes you have to do
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: atrocities to achieve a goal. And that's something that you know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: like Catnus will never be okay with or you know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: may I say Alex will never be okay with?
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Well, like I mean, like I'll put it this way,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: like like like the this notion of of preservation, from
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: from what I'm hearing is it will would be equated
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: to like a conservative value, and the idea of like
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, sort of be progressive and understand
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: that there's a future that is like a left wing idea.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: But the problem is is that the notion that these
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: are are strictly and fundamentally bad things or good things
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: are is just wrong. The notion that preserving a thing
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: is inherently wrong, or looking forward to something is inherently right,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: or vice versa is just it's it doesn't make any
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: sense because there are certain things that should be preserved.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: For example, the earth should be preserved looking forward in
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: terms of well, we can just like mine things for
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: the future and make things the best for everybody right
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: now is not necessarily sustainable in any way or any
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: good way, right and vice versa, like the notion that
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: everything should be preserved and like, oh, it's the nineteen fifties,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: we should go back to the it was better then.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: There's also a like a there's a balancing act of
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: that's why democracy, But like for me, it's the notion
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: that you know, Julianne Moore is Hillary Clinton in this movie,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: like that there is this idea that this person is
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: kind of vying for power in a way that's like
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I like, I like most a lot of the ideas
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: that she has. But but ultimately it feels a little.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: Bit like yes we can.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: It feels a little yes we can, and it feels
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: a little bit like like Catinus ultimately was like, well
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: maybe Trump was actually the.
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah exactly, that's.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Exactly what what what what the movie is trying to say.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to mention that, and I think it's
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: sort of important because a lot of the time, especially
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: right now in the world, there's a lot of conversation about,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: you know, the way that like certain fights happen, and
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of judgment around what they call terrorist attacks
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: or using people as shields or you know, like putting children,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: you know, like at the front of a fight or whatever.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of that conversation about how, oh that
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: is automatically evil, right, you're doing something evil is It's
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: also similar to what happens at the end of the
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: second movie, right, So I think the movie is trying
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: to say what people here are trying to say, people
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: who do atrocities can have a good goal. Wait, I
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: just want to finish. And the way that this movie
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: hasn't portrayed that well is because they made them equal powers.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: If this was an actual revolution and they were basically
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: just like running through the forest, they would have to
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: use those things because there's no way you can fight
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: a power that's ten times bigger than you by playing
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: by their rules. Is so by making them equal powers
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: and then being like, oh see, they compromise their values
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: what they did at the end of this movie, they're
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: making them the same.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, they're not. They're not because I'll say I'll
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: tell you why. Because am I making sense? First? No,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. But what I will say is
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: the reason they're I don't think they're number one, I
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: don't think they're equal powers. But number two, I think
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: they've gotten to well.
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: They made them slightly less.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Well, but they've gotten to that point for seventy five
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: years of trying. There's context for why they're doing what
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: they're doing now versus what what you know, Well, they're
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: fighting now because they have the opportunity to fight now. Yes,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: now that they have the most power that they can
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: probably get. The reason I think the comparison between I mean,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: obviously the imagery you can compare to Palestine now, but
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: the reason I think it's more important to compare them
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: to the Trump supporters who who were going into the Capitol.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: The reason the reason I think it's more important to
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: compare these guys to those people is because I ideologically
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: disagree with those people, and they see themselves exactly as
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: how you describe, which is, we don't have the power,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: we're fighting for what's ours. They stole an election from us,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: we're poor, we're hungry, we deserve you know, all the
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: things that that the the government isn't giving the which
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: which is true, it's not. They just happened to be fighting.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: You know, somebody who Joe Biden looks much more like
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: President snow he he functionally is is a person who
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: is like, yeah, every like, what what people will see
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: from this is you've got this like flamboyant society that's
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: accepting of all the gays, you know what I mean. Like,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: whereas these people who are like underground, they basically function
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: in the way that.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: I love this metaphor. Yeah, I'm so excited about it
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: doesn't never cross my fucking mind. Well, the rebels are
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: actually the generous today.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: But this is the thing is that that every revolution
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: sees themselves as the good guys. Every revolution sees themselves
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: as people who are the beauty of Preston. That's the Yeah,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: that's what I think the cool thing about them because
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: think about like the constant comparisons we make throughout these
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: the series to to like what's it called drag Race,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: reveal yourself like it's it's well.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: Drag Race also has made this connection and has modeled
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: most recent seasons there you Go based on Hunger Games.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: The theme has been Hunger Games basically for their I'm.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Not kidding, that's really great. But but like and in
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: part The reason I like that comparison of using people
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: that I ideologically disagree with versus like, you know, my
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: left way, you know, all all that kind of stuff,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: is because it's it's more interesting to see those structures
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: that I was mentioning, which is the reason those structures
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: exist isn't necessarily because there is an opportunity for humans
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: to be better. Maybe there is an opportunity. I think
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: there is.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: But you think the Trump is going to make the
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: world better in some way, there's there's a at least
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: a part of the ideology that can bring a better.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: The rebels are will definitely I think ultimately make a
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: better society.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: No, I don't mean in the in the in the movie.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I mean in real life, Oh Trump, do you think
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: the Trump is in any way can bring any kind
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: of betterness to anyone?
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I mean there in broad strokes, In broad strokes, haveing
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: a cynicism towards power is in my mind, always a
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: good thing.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Know, I mean I live in a democracy. I wouldn't
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: want people to fucking storm a capital with insane okay, yeah,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: but like but always broad strokes.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: But because every let me ask you this, let me
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: ask you this though, given to where we're heading, and
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: it's I think pretty clear to a lot of people.
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: It's getting pretty clear to a lot of people that
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: we're heading towards like a pretty bleak future near future.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that I I don't think so, but but I.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Think in terms of like resources, I think we're like,
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: that's what all of this that's going on in the
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: world is symptomatic of. I think like a lot of
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: the like sort of like turns towards fascism, the right
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: wing like rising. I think that there's a definite correlation
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: with our consumption of gas and oil and our like
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: depletion of resources, our use of natural resources, and the
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: way that we treat the land that we have to
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: live on. Right, So I have a thing of like,
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: do you think that, given like pushed to our extreme,
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: that we are just this is how it has to
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: play out? Does it have to play out like the
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: Hunger Games?
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: No? No, I don't.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: I don't think so.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I think that when it comes to.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: When it comes to given the system we're in, I'm saying, well, like,
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: given a global capitalist system, a system that relies on
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: like trade with each other, labor, labor and cheap labor
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: has been just exported to like and downgraded to like
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: what we call the developing world. Like It's like, are
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: we just stuck in this like loop? Where like the
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: way that we structure ourselves is our demise. It's a
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: part of it. It's implicit to me.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I don't know the answer to that, but
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I do think that if you looking at things like
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: global trade or cooperating with people that that you are
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: going to partner with, I don't see that being a
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: problem necessarily because.
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: Of the way it's manifested. Is exploitative, I.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Mean yeah, but like I mean, exploitation exists throughout his
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: You don't need capitalism for that.
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: No, I'm not saying you do. I'm just saying, are
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: we just reduced to this is just how we are
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: have just been different versions of the same fucking things.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Very focus is now saying we're already in something else.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: We just don't know. Again, everywhere were looking to see capitalism.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: We're probably in something else right now.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: It's it just it feels very scary. It might be
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: much worse than what the other thing was, But that's
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: not what I wanted to say what I want. This
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: is a great conversation. I'm pivoting in a second, just
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: for a second. I thought it was also interesting the
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: way that so we get introduced with the crew, the
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: the kind of group of people that we're gonna be
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: with for this whole movie, which is like, you know,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: like Lord of the Rings kind of what do you say,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: ensemble a group of people. And what I found interesting
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: is these people are people from District one that is skid,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: that went there to fight for, which is the same
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: thing that everyone here is doing. It's like it is
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: sort of like me, I don't even know if it's
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: making fun of it, but it's just showing like when
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: when revolutions happen or when uprising happen, there are always
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: people who are in the center of it who see
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: that there's something wrong and want to join the fight.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, they get radicalized in a way that
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: that's from a very safe perspective. It's a very like
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: first world guys who went to fucking Ukraine from America
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: or guys who went to fight with isis.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't, yeah, like I kind of like
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I do always appreciate those people, at least they think
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: and want to do a thing. But it is a
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: very I like that they put that in because yeah,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: that's what happens, right, absolutely, yeah.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: I shout out Emily Coates uh side. Famously side shaved
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: actress Emily Coat, Canadian star Trek Discovery. Emily Coats has
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: been rocking the side her that side of her head
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: has been shaved consistently for like twelve years now.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like that's great that she branded
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: a look I guess she wears in her regular life
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: just to be like different sci fi.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Care Yeah, I made it appropriate. The multiple characters, Well.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: Why don't we just get Emily Coats, who's that?
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, like the one who talks in.
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: Part three, Part three, Mocking j Part one.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like in this in this reality, she has like
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: I guess, some like brow piercings and the tattoo on
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: the side of her head, and in the disco it's
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: like a visor or something.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: Like a uniform fat it's like some kind of like
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: cerebral corte.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: But what what ends up happening. We've got a few
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: things that are like little glimpses of specific catness stuff
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: throughout two, which is like we get to see the
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: dead eyed mom be dead eyed again for.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Such a she's eased into kind of like like fugue stage,
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: just like reactive, like everything's fine.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally totally, but also we're I'm being taken care of,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: you know. And then we get Peta on the screen
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: during lunch period. Uh, they're there, the all of the
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: them are are, you know, eating together, And then everybody
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: starts screaming at the screen because Peta is saying Catness
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: is a puppet, which to some degree she is.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: That part was amazing, just how everyone was. They totally canceled,
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: so Fa canceled, and everyone's like, yeah, but everyone was
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: like very reactive reactionary left, dude, everyone was very reactionary Left.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: They're like, well, impart, impart, that's the thing that you
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: were talking about with your prof Like, in part of
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: being a reactionary is understanding the world, and the reactionary
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Left is this kind of thing where it's like they're
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: looking back at a time that kind of doesn't exist
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: in the same way that that Republicans look at nineteen
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: fifties and it's like, oh, so much better. They look
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: back at a history of their own and say, oh,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: it's so much better. It was so much better. It
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: was a golden myth. And it's like part of that
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: is human nature, where it's like, oh, nostalgia brings me back, right,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: But there is a cynicism to like people who exist
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: who are more anarchic, like the anarchists, who will be like, yeah,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: but the future is like, I mean, it's fucking weird, man,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: where it's like, be a little weird, but which is
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: also you.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Know, like a generational thing. Yeah, people whose lives are
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: at the end would look at the back.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: People who are young will look at the future. But
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: I also don't want to be cynical in that way
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: that it's not just I've.
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: Actually heard that that that that older people are being
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: more radicalized these days into politic that's.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Why they're crashing into the fucking capital.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: The leftist politics.
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: Well, I think they're just in general all politics. I
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: think older people.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Considering their they're you know, knowledge around technology, they can
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: only just go to the right. I just wanted to say,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: so easily manipulated.
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: The guy who has his tongue cut out.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Do you remember this character? Yeah, he was in what's
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: it called? Uh, he was in Butterfly effect.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: Okay, thank you. So I was like, my soul knows
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: this guy, you know what I mean, Like, and that's
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: a movie that my soul knows. So I was like,
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: I just like watched.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: It and I was like, I hate him.
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: Who? I hate him?
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I hate him? And I hate the fact that they
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: were like, oh they cut his tongue out. It's like,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: number one, you wouldn't be able to do any like.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I I like that actor. I want him to be good.
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: He was good.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: He was no, no, he was good in the movie.
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: But okay, but there was something that he didn't hate him.
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: Who do you hate the actor of the character?
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: I hate I kind of hate both.
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: But really, why why do you hate the actors? First?
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Tell me, well, I hate the actor because he's in Butterfly.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: He was in Butterfly. He's one of the reason enough,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: he's one of those guys who's like never he's almost
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: never been in anything.
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, man, this guy's great. Dude, what are you
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: talking about.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying he's to.
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: Be a young person on camera. I know there's not
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: a young person. He's like it his forty oh there.
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: But but first, when he was in Butterfly. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: to be that young on camera and to have to
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: be like to play.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: But he's one of those guys who he he would
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: get this if he was a woman or a little
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: girl when he started, he would get the same kind
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: of flak that that all kid actors and young actors
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: would get, that kind of like pretentious acting where it's
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: like like it's like he's so well educated. He's a
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: little I'm being a little elitist with him.
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: But interesting, I don't know, I think he was. I
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: thought it was really good in this movie. What don't
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: you like about the character?
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, it wasn't that I didn't like. There was certain
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: things where where when they cut his tongue out, it's like,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: you can't do this without a tongue. He would have
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: certain things where it's like like.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: You mean like eating and stuff eating and stuff like that.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, whistling, he whistled. I was like, you can't do
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: that without a tongue.
• 50:53
  Speaker 7: My god.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: The famous the best of the scenes.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: The song that comes back, how they signal, they use
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: Rue's signal. This is what I like about the movie.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: Is the movie the movie it is, it's the rusical
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: It is this is what the movie does that I like,
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: and that is it builds on its own lore in
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: a way that it makes its own mythos happen, and
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: it's showing you that it's doing it all along the way.
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: And it actually made like this boomerang watching of having
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: recently seen the latest one, which is a prequel, and
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: getting to this and knowing that I'm going to go
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: back to the prequel gives me so much like sympathy
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: towards President snow same. Yeah, like of like it just
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: you understand why he's hardened and the trauma that he
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: that the venom comes from, you know exactly.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: And also it's so beautiful and it's also explains that
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: poetic of human nature of sort of choosing evil and
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: it's it is in a sentence that he tells her
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: at the end of this movie, it's the things you
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: love the most that will that will destroy you at
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: the end.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like the thing the thing that people
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: I think don't really realize about how humanity works. Not
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: that I fucking know either, but like let me tell
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: you about let me tell you about humans, but like
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's very easy to to vilify
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: and and make certain kinds of people. And it's very
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: useful a lot of the time, especially in revolutions, like
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: to make all you know, the US or Bush or
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Trump or or Putin or Hitler or whoever as yahoo
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: uh as like these things that are out somehow outside
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: of the system. And and when we talk about system critique,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of the time that we focus uh when
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: when we talk about the people who deservedly so need
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: to be talked about that we don't really under like
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: look at and sometimes it's very counterproductive to look at
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: those figures as human beings, as part of the system,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: as part of a system. That's why it's so easy
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, go all landlords. But it's like
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: once it becomes you know, oh Bell Hooks is a landlord,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: it's like not Bell hook you know what I mean exactly,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: It becomes a little bit more complex when when it's
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: people that you like or people that you're you're that
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: are helpful to your.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Minds, can I just say please? It makes me think,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: and I guess it can be interesting. Is I've been
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: I've been reading about attachment theory, and you know, like
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I'm some of a g who's like, you know, I
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: did sociology, did Master's sociology, like more about like, oh
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: the society, you know, like kind of the personal, the individual,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: the emotional. Never, you know, I never gave it a
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: lot of thought. But now I'm reading about these like
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: theories and whatever, and I find it really interesting when
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: I especially when I think about this movie, is that
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: in this attachment theory, the thing that I was reading
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: is like there's this idea of it talks about love,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: what love is, how love happens, and blah blah blah,
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: and it's putting down this idea that it's like a
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: it's an evolutionary tool because basically, the love you have
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: about with like a couple of people is having you survive.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Howe else are you going to survive? You don't take
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: care of each other, if you don't rely on each other.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: So the people who are closest to you are the
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: ones keeping you alive. You are taking care of them,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: that you can relax that in a certain space you're
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: safe because everything else is, you know, right, like can
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: be like you know, hostile or whatever. So I was thinking,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: like how much this movie and you know, I guess
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: everyone else who's doing the the what's the word manipulating
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: thing is using basic basic emotions right, Like course, so
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: like Catness's need is to preserve the ones she loved,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: which is her sister, Peter Hamsworth and her mom and
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: everyone else has you know, agendas have things that are doing,
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: but what they are doing is also presenting everyone this story,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: the story about love, the story about you know, and
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: that story specifically. And I was just thinking how it's
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: interesting that we can relate to people that way, but
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: the way we relate to collectivist ideas or countries or
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: histories or any kind of bigger thing is through story
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: telling or you know, a song, an art, a thing
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: that evokes emotion. Yeah, that is similar to the love
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: we know, right, I just thought it.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Was Yeah, I mean, are you well, Like I mean,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: that's really interesting too, because it's it becomes this thing
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: where that need to uh attach yourself to one thing
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: versus the collective, because like I mean collectives. I think
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: part of part of the problem with collectives just in
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: terms of like human nature. Again I'm talking about human nature.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: But let me tell you something about human nature. But
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: like it's it's very difficult. According to some sign I
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: don't know look it up, but like it's very difficult
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: for you know, the drop off between feeling bad for
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: one kid and then associateting that that with the problem
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: that's going on in whatever region or country or or
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: area of the world that a problem is happening. Fall
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: The fall off when it comes to two is like
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: fifty percent, and then when it's ten, it's like goes
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: down to one percent.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: I think we talked about talk about that.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: First one and and like that's why, like you can
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: have the strong man come in and be like, I
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: will fight for you. You're the oppressed, you're the That's what
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Trump did. He came in swinging dick and was like, hey, yeah,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: the border is the problem, and we need to bring
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: manufacturing home and we need to Yeah.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's just like simplifying finding who the enemy is.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Of course, it's very simple and understandable.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: But the interesting thing is that's what Catnus is for us.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: It's like our view of like we have to follow
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: her because it's like that's our story, you know what
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's we are following that.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: But it's different because one is based in fear and
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: the other is based.
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: In and yeah, and love. I think I wanted to
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: tie your point and it was I thought it was
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: an excellent point about attachment theory. And I think that,
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: like Catness, the whole reason she does become a symbol
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: of hope. And this is something that they all say
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: throughout it is because of how she loves is because
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: of how she loves her family, and they all see
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: inspiration in that because they're like, I want I want
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: to love that much, I want to love everyone that much.
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: And then so that kind of it's sort of that's
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: what her radical love towards her, what her circle is
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: is then becomes a radical love towards everyone.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: That But the thing that you're missing in that is
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: that my love, my love in a in a revolution
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: like this, requires me to do bad things. And that's
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: where everything like that comes in. It's like your your
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: willingness to make those kinds of sacrifices. It's like in
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: the same way like people.
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: Well, Catinus is like you. She doesn't want to ever
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: make that secrifice.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Well, no, but she does. That's the thing she wants
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: to give her life. What the revolution need is people
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: who are ready to die for something, and she was
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: ready to die for what she.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Believe, which which was her sister or her family, her
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: things like that. But the thing that ends, and.
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: Also that's why we're talking about that, and.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Also what the what the beauty is, it's the solidarity
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: of even the people that are not her loved ones
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: like Rue. So she loves Rue so much.
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: She loves radically. That's what I'm saying.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Exactly that the family Rue's family in the district, and
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: everyone can feel like revolution.
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: It's a revolutionary act. It is that everybody sees sees
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: it as such because it is that because so like
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: what they're giving to her, she really is becoming because
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: she is she is the symbol for all of the
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: things because she inspires those things.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: But but the problem with with looking at what I
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: was going to say in terms of in terms of
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: the looking at things in with super raw data like numbers,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: you can you can take really really good ideas and
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: turn them into bad ideas by just simply being like,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: well this this number of people in Dresden died when
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: they bombed Dresden. But it was Nazism that we were fighting,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like if you
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: look at it in like if you look reduce it
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: down to just like it's a radicalism and even if
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: it's if it's got a core of love to it,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: like the radicalness of it is what's going to make
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: at least for me and in my view, is going
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: to make this system happen again. It's just going to
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: be different.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: And it's also a big part of it is like
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: the culture of remembering things. Yeah, And that's a huge
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: part of it, because I don't remember who was saying this,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: but there was like the way that the for example,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: societies would respect and celebrate the other that they're defeated. Like,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: you know, there was a lot of culture about building
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: monuments to the enemy that you have killed because you
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: recognize them in their humanity and interesting to remember what
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: you did, right, and like a lot of it was
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: you know, also around the Second World War anyway, not
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: to get into.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: The no, that's a good I think that's amazing because
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: like that's what the States did after they repair they
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: built Japan, they built Germany, they built them back up.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: And you can say cynically that it's like, oh, well
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: they were they're okay, we've destroyed them. Now there are allies.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: So we're gonna like take them. But the interesting thing
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: about like the war, the Twenty Year Wars, that that
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: the US has participated in recently is that they just
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: gave up. It's they in the past fifty years. Actually
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: more than that. It's like with Vietnam, they left, let
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: them alone whatever, They didn't rebuild anything, right, So.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's also I think the movie
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: shows its well, it's declining empires because it's also like
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: for example, the UK, right, like there's so much racism
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: against Oh, these brown people are in here. No one
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: seemed to have any kind of memory why they're there, Like.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: I mean why these specific people live here is because
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: of you.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like come on, like you know.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: So if you if you, yeah, that's the idea. If
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: you don't remember your own if yeah, it's it's but
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: that's also like I don't know, I was just thinking.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: And it's also like it's what the Blind Boys are
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: mentioning other podcasts on the podcast is like what what
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: mythology is is basically like just like it's like the
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: way that the caveman would put signs on the on
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: the caves. It's just like it's stories that tell us
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: how the ones before us survived. Yeah, or it's just
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: stories about nature, right, like the environment we are in
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: and who did something that helped them survive. So maybe
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe you can figure something out from that.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you know what I mean.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: That's like a profound thought.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: It is, and the way it works it is on
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: the basic it's art, on the basic of the emotion, right, storytelling.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, did I hit a nerve? I went too hard?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: I was too real?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Something said, not good, it's really nice.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Anyway, we kind of like stopped talking about the movie.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, this is this is what the movie is about.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: This is what the movie is about, I think. And
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: that's you really touched on such a like a good
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: point there with the art, because it is it's like
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: our communicating this is how we survived this, and then
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: like the problem gets more and more complicated as we like.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: And what sucks.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: About now is that because we're at such a weirdly
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: crazy epistemic divide in terms of culture between colloquially right
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: and left, but like in terms of they're holistically creating
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: new stories for themselves and basing it off like totally
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: different facts than what you and I hold, you all
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: of us hold. So it's like scary to be at
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: that point because at least at some point pre the Internet,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: I know, I sound like a fucking conservative now to
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: oh twenty years ago was better. But like the interesting
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: thing is, at least at that point you had facts
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: that were the same. You just had different times.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: But it's a scary beast.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but there was also we see now how like
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: just how much they were kind of manipulating reality with that,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: you know, and like, I know what you mean, and
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: like for the sake of the status quo, it is
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: really good and and and like and like it's it's
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: a kind of sustaining thing. It's it kind of creates
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: the the circumstances for there to be calm, but only
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: for like a certain amount of people, right, because like
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: they are constructing the reality. Like and like I know
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: that everything is narratives, and like we can be flippant
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: about it.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: But like, well, everything reaches a breaking point, right, you
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: can only believe in the image to a certain points.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: That's the thing. And it's like and like, whose benefit
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: is it's serving for everyone to have the same viewpoint
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: of like, well, I don't know, I heard it on
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: the thing and this is the only thing I have
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: the information from.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's nineteen eighty four, right, but I was
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: just in Serbia and it's nineteen eighty four in Serbia.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, how so.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing that our president snow figured out is
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: that we are so fucking poor that most of the
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: people still watch TV. I think it's the biggest discovery
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: that he had ever. It's like ninety percent of anyone
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: that's outside of a capital just watches TV. And he's
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: just using the old strategies. Just tell he's getting distressed
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: to the capital.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: The capital hates him.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: The capital. It's but it's also interesting is he's using
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: this thing which I don't know if it was mentioned,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: and tell me if it was. Maybe it's just a
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: specifical Serbian thing. The people in the capitol who are
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: seeing through it and who have access to information and
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: who you know, are better off, like in terms of
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: economic opportunities, do have this disdain. No, they do have
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: disdain towards the people who support like the people from
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: the provincia. Yeah, and what he real and which is
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: just like hatred of yourself it's like a game from
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: this primitive they're so primitive and stupid they believe whatever
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: he's saying. They are they're actually alienating the only people
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: that can help them what they want to achieve. And
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: the time, I know, and it's not that they're even
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: like doing it, it's that the sentiment. The caught in
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: this sentiment and is using it all. He keeps talking
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: about all them, thetanding you the it's just like, you know, yeah,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: it's gotten people and honest, the honest good people, which
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: which these these like you know, like American aligned hate
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: like it's the same fucking it's the same thing. And
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: then that the sentiment is real and the people feel it.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: They feel there there hat feelings.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: And they're feeling that they're smaller than the ones in
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: the capitol and lesser, and the feeling that that is
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: more the hatred of someone hating me in that way
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: is more important than actually realizing that you're so.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Fucked Ye're absolutely absolutely That's why like you get those
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: people who are are the same in the Marxist and
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: Serbia who are like oh the those the West is important.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Gayness and and it's like whoa dude, like what are
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: you talking about.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: It's there. There is a faction that is like that
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: has like like issues with trans people and like trends
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: identities as like a capitalistic uh like from the source
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: of materialism. It doesn't matter what.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think it's that exists in the ridiculous
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Trump people. Oh those liberal the liberal media, the elites
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: have made my kid gay.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: And I think it's also interesting in this movie they
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: show that, but the the the opposition doesn't take that
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: as Yeah, I don't think it was addressed because the
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: dragons of the capital is something that is portrayed. But
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: the enemies are the enemies. The rebels don't fucking hate Senna.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: They don't hate the design designs this.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Movie are like, they don't the best. He's an artist, what.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: You were saying, And he was expressing himself and you
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: can see that because he's a person who's he deeply
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: feels and senses things. He wanted to express himself and
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: then he he.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Related to the power of relating exactly.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: Also, Trinket has been robbed of all the things that
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: made her.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: I know, it's really so cute and funny, but she
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: still has power.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: She does.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: No one knows cadness.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: No one knows how she does have power. Dude, she
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: she because she knows she has an I wanted to
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: just bring it.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Back because funny because the fit, the fit that she
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: throws about having to be here and not have her
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: hair and ships.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: And the weird that exists with Phil she just has
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: with everyone the most. With Fie, I feel.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: Like because barges into the room, barges into.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: And it's like, stop pretending you're a prisoner here.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: That was really funny.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: That was really funny.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, really good.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: Fie she is, And she's such an interesting character because
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: she isn't like a Rippers sentative of that kind of
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: like liberal ideology in this sort of like this boorish
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: like what you were saying, if krug Voik, so these
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: city people, if the city people had to spend time
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: in the exactly.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: That's what it is, yes, but.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But the fact that she's making it work and
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: saying like, oh, I'm bringing this back because she's wearing
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: her hair in a like in a what's it called,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: like a chart like a scar, She's like, Oh, but
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: it's good that I'm bringing this look back that I did.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: That's the idea it's the fashion fucking faster and you
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: can always make it work and you always go from
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: somewhere and you can be your fucking creative self.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: And the artist in her is also what kind of
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: sets her apart, because she's she is still dedicated to
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: helping these people out right, Like she gets converted, she.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Brings sinner's uh like notebook, sketchbook. And then we get
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: to see the sort of inner workings of I really
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: appreciated the continuation of the propaganda and how the propaganda
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: machine needs to work.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: And then Catinus is you do a really good job
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: bad acting, which Julianne Moore also has a very good
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: talent for pretending to be a bad actor, and and
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: the sort of like I'm now in the green screen
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: and I have to like stand up and say with
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: emotion I will go.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: I was like, everyone's like it's not very good.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Oh and then oh and then what it.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: Comes in and well, yeah, I'm sober now. Cats there's
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: no more bullshit anymore.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: There's no more alcohol around here anymore.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 12: And then we get introduced to the teams like I
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 12: can't be supporting this president like this kind of like yeah.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: Totally, which I could relate to. So it took weight away.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: I don't know what I would do.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: Well, Like, I mean, this was also the interesting thing
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: was getting this was the Aliens part of this movie
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: where where what's his name, uh cop, what was his name?
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: Cobb?
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Merciaal The ali brings in a catus to to like
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: introduce her to the crew or whatever, and everybody's like
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: soldiering around and they're all setting up the like weapons
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: and stuff, and then they go in for their their
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: first mission with the lesbian haircut and what's her name
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: against Is.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: That a lesbian haircut?
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: That's what you said a while ago. Well, the skrillics
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: haircutrills haircut.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: Yes, very it's very queerly coded, it is, I mean it.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Is, yeah, And that's where that's where we get the
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: well we talked about this this we jumped around a
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: little bit in terms of order, but this is where
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: we get the people who are are the city that's
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: been destroyed. That like there's a bunch of people around
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: and like she comments on the mell and stuff. A
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: lot of the the movie itself is like going through ruins,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: going to a speech, going to and it's like.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: But it's also like, Okay, they're training her to become
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: the simple or whatever. She can do it fake, so
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: they actually go into it.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: I have to say that scene was so when she
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: shoots the fucking plane with the.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: Arrowmazing made me cry. And and the the like guys
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: with the cameras on their faces, that's great. And the
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: lady who's the director or.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: Whatever, and her panic over the hospital, her genuine panic
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: for the people. This is her Bruce Willison Diehard to
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: moment where he makes the face to show what a
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: like motive. She wants to help the people from the
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: hospital and they're like, we can't help them. And then
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: she's like, this is what President Snow is.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's she's calling out name, calling by name,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: and also at the same time is like losing her
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: focus on Peta and saving Peter. She's becoming, right, she's becoming.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: Favorite green color.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: And it was like, so yeah, so interesting to she's.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: Ever she is green, evergreen?
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: Come on, come on.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 5: Now, cat, I'm sober now.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: I also wanted to I'm wearning this too.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: That's how I show him.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: So that's that's how I didn't that.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: I didn't know. I just wanted to mention this, it
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter. I didn't know this until like recently. But
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: actually it was Miley Cyrus who was cocked because Hemsworth
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: and Jal were actually cheating.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: That's why the Flowers is about.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she apparently wore the dress that she the
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: Jennifer Lawrence wore it some kind of reception.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 5: It was like, my mind, wait, so Flowers is the
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: Hunger Games Flowers?
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god, I didn't even think
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: It's the Dick Vane presidents.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: No Flowers. Yes, what was the plan?
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: My god?
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, Miley, you queen backing Bams and Flowers. What was
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: the what was the plan for them to bring the
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: bodies through that damn part?
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Oh no, so it wasn't. It was like gorilla fighting.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: It was just like they were bringing the after she
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: they made the really good video and everyone got really
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: excited about They posted it all over Instagram. Yeah, exactly,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: the rebels. It was just sheer force of bodies. They
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: pushed through and got inside and blew up.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: The blew up the damn.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was amazing.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: We're not there yet, yeah we are, Yeah, we are
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: at the damn They blow up the damn yeh.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: Or like we jumped around. That's what I said, we've
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: jumped around.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: I feel like we haven't missed anything from the plug.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 5: When they blow up the damn, it's a pretty powerful part,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: like the sacrifice of them.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, actually, I think I don't know if yeah, yeah,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to mention that before. It's not actually
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: when they made a good video. Oh yeah, it was
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: actually when it happened. But I wanted to mention the
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: moment when she sings the song.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 6: Are you are you come to the tree?
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 13: Man?
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: Or man? Wait? Wait, uh, it's something in this jambree
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: stranger things?
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: What happened here? What stranger?
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: If we met at night near the hanging tree? And
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: dude so new?
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: I know. They separate one word, which is really annoying
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: I forget. Yeah, I like that, the.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: Separation of the word because I can't remember it.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: I forget.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 14: Are you are you coming to the tree? They strong
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 14: up the man? They say humored, three strange things that
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 14: happen here, And I'm stranger if I met and me
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 14: that in the hanging tree.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna put the song into this part. It's it's
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: such a good song and like it's kind of cool
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: like her, she's really not a very good singer, but
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: like she sings it's like a very she sings it
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: in such a sincere way that sometimes like really sincere
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: performances can be like can transcend the goodness. So I
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 5: would argue that it's a good performance, it's just not
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 5: a very like skilled.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: Like a vulnerability emotion works really.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 5: Well, but like the way she sings it there and
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: then just this idea of a folk song again are
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: mobilizing people towards like a revolutionary cause is like was
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: really inspiring.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: And like like it's Richmond, north of Richmond, you mean.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 13: Totally like comssal for it, don't see it pay and
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 13: Catney is said, but it isn't snowish gay.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: But also also like because things exist on such a
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: like weird continuum now, things like that don't really matter anymore.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: Art is completely disposable, which is a problem too, because
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: it's like you can create and create on top of everything,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: and everything gets mixed up in such weird, insane ways
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: that you're just like, wait, what does this mean? Who
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: is this for?
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 5: What is this?
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 5: I don't know if I fully agree, Like I do
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: think that that you know, there's some artists that are
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: doing some really like like revolutionary work that that's that
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: is sticking with people.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Well, it is sticking with people, but like individuals as
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: oppos to like nobody cares about Northman and north of
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Richmond anymore. They were like, well, that's our propaganda tool
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: for now, and now it's just like well.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Because it was like artificially bubbled, right is that why?
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: I mean maybe wasn't it. I heard something about that too.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, officially pushed by a lot of yeah, like pushed
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: to the top of the charts or something. It didn't
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: actually organically happen. That's why. Like it's like, yeah, it's
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: catching fire. It's try and error, you know what I mean.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you just got to figure it out. I mean
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: Trump was like that was the ignition for and now
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: that's a little bit diet. It's a little bit like pathetic.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 5: Well, like what's interesting is I think Nicky Hayley's like
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: picking up some steave Like.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but she's not gonna win. No, I
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: don't think who do.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: You think is gaining more or who do you think
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: is losing more from this kind of.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: Like mono like monoculture.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: No, that we don't have the monoculture anymore. Like who
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: do you think is profiting from.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know, that's a good question that everyone.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: I don't think anybody's profiting more or anybody's benefiting more of.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: A different game.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: I think it's just the extremes are just like getting extremer.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe, but I always think that the Right gains more
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: out of out of uh dilution because of the fact
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: that they do have such stronger narratives and overarching narratives
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: because simple, because simplicity appeals to everybody.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: Can go, yeah, maybe you can push That's why.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: That's why you got these freaks on Twitter being like like, oh,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: Biden and Trump are just the same. They're all just
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: the same. It's like that's not true, Like you know,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: it's it's hard to to like.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, but I think I understand. I really do
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 5: this time. I really do understand the dissolution. I really do,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: like because it's like, yeah, I think you're of what
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: the the in in in a disillusion in in like
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: in like people equating Biden and Trump like this time,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: I'm really like, man, yeah, like I was. I myself
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: was resisting it for a long time of like, Okay,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: he's a little senile, Okay, he's a little you know.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: But then I'm just like he's literally like I don't know,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: like the the the the like the committedness, the commitment
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: to wanting to support Israel in this moment seems like
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: to me, like uniquely disqualifying.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: It's a bad move.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like uniquely disqualifying. Like I and in a
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: way where I'm like, I don't I don't want Trump
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: to win. I really don't want Trump to win. And
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: I'm not like, but Trump was better. I'm not saying
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: anything remotely close to that. I think Trump is awful.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying it's a dire situation when you have
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: like like a genocide enabler and like and a fucking
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: mad narcissist like to choose from.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: But but it's.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just about what you're trying to say, because
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: you know, you don't live in the state.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: Exactly exactly, so I've got no skin in the game, but.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: We all do. But the thing is, like the problem with.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 5: We need to get a like a paper towel.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: It's just crusty.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: It's just crusty, Krusty the clown.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: It's Crusty the Bailey.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: Hello, Hello, everyone, and welcome to Swarts to the podcast. I,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: of course am your host Anna.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: And I'm Malenko. And and today we're talking about, well,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: today we're continuing a conversation. Yeah, so we uh, we
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: got a little derailed on in the last convo and
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: we need to take a break. And this is like, so,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: I don't know like how this is going to feel
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: this part of the podcast in comparison to the rest
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: of the episode, but you know.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, conversation got a little sickne.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 5: Come on, come on, mucking Jay, let's get sicknaing.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Alex, where are we at.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: We're at right at the point where Floaty head us
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: his name Peter is betraying everybody, and he's like, uh,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: what is it against?
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 5: So did they do something?
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they thinned him out digitally, So he was like.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 5: Come on home, fucking Jay, let's get sickney.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: You know you're looking sickney home.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And she feels she feels like pretty like sad
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: about it, because you know, he's not only betraying, betraying everybody,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: but also being but.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: Also kind of like looking weird, and I mean she's
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: concerned for him, yeah, and she's also scared.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: But then he's like, just thirteen, it's gonna be dead
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: by morning, and that gets taken away and then yeah.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: Oh so that's the second appearance of his appearance or
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: third even.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it gets proven that Pete is actually a good guy.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: A good guy, but also before that he's dead eyed
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: and betraying them. And while he's betraying them, the the
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: signals get crossed and she they put in their propaganda
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: in the in between his thing.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they like yeah, and he sees her.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: He doesn't know what's going on, but he's like they're coming,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: They're coming.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: The way that it kind of fades in the propaganda,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: it reminds me of how, I don't know if you've
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: seen this like editing technique in like more recent like
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: memes and reels, where like they do kind of like
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 5: a really quick faded that like just faded out, like
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: to show you a different thing.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: Do you remember like two men making out while the
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: rock is watching it and then he'll be like what.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: Or did you see that one where it was like
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: somebody edited it? Like people are using straw to make
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: houses now, and it like fades quickly to a cartoon
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: wolf who was like like a night Yeah anyway.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so actually what happens is Peter gives them a
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: warning because he also doesn't know what's happening, but apparently
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: somehow he gives them a warning that they're coming from
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: them for them. So it's like full alert in the dungeon.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Everyone gets into the the lowest levels, right, yeah, to hide.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: This part reminded me of another movie. For some reason.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 5: This felt like Edge of Tomorrow for me.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: Really, it feels it still feels like Aliens to me.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: I love Edge of Tomorrow though. That's such a great movie.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: I can't wait.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: Love Edge of Tomorrow.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably one of the best sci fi movies
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: in like ten years.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: I agree, and it has been ten years.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: Are you doing this, sir?
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: I think we accidentally turned it on. I don't know
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 5: the remote, there are the table, Okay.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: Well I have the movie.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: But yeah, well I think I accidentally because I pressed it.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: It might have to go on to the TV.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: I think it might might as well.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 5: Just all well, I think it's gonna be there's gonna be.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: Sound though, okay, okay, this is good.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: We they're all downstairs. Everybody's gotten together in terms of
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: the military, people like Philips, Hymour Hoffman, and Hillary Clinton.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: They're in the bunker.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: She she she tries to find prim as well, and.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 5: Went to go get the cat, which you know what
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: for I believe it.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. Like, for the most part, I
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: fucking hate that. I hate but they tried the go
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: get the cat, Like, I get it, it's your animal whatever.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: In this context, I'm way more believing it than fucking
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: ripley against a fucking giant, scary alien.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: You know, I think they they really like the idea
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: of the cat surviving the bombing and then being brought
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: back and then we don't know if the cat's allowed
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: to stay there or not. The fact that there was
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: so much to do about the cat I think really helped.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 5: But but yeah, like you know, like that's a trope
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 5: in movies obviously, like it's like.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a humanity, Yeah, yeah, you gotta save the animal.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: But it also feels like it makes more sense to
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: me than in this then and other things. First, she's a.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: Kid, Yeah, she's a kid.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: A second, it's like gives it's not the main character
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: doing it where it's like I'm going so fucking a
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: twenty early thirty something year old fighting a giant alien
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: and then going to get a cat, although I will
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: say even then, I'd be like I'd be a little
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: scared to be alone constantly, so I would maybe go
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: for the cat. Yeah, oh for sure.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, it's kind of like it's scary, like
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: it's the only comfort comfort.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, which is why I'm okay with it being
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: ripley as well. But also it's Ripley, so yeah yeah.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: And also at the end it serves a purpose to
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: show us when Catness realizes they're like in the bunker
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: for twenty hours or whatever. Oh yeah. The important thing
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: is that the president figures it out. The Hillary Clinton
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: figures it out that they don't know where they are
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: because they're underground, so they decide not to defend themselves
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: and just let them be basically buried in by the bombing,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: which is interesting because the Plutarch is like he's scared,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: which is really interesting to.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 5: See they don't know exactly where they are though, yea right,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 5: like they're like, oh, they're kind of bombing the area.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, exactly. Yeah, So they wanted to protect their ammunition,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: like they're fighting ship, so stockpile of whatever bombs and ships,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: so they didn't want to reveal their position anyway. So
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: they're in the barker for like twenty hours and at
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: the end, the cat is Cates is playing with the
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: cat with the light, and that's when she realized that
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: that basically that's what he's doing, Like he's using Peta
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: and any snow is using them to like fuck with them, right,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: to fuck with their heads.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: And then she's the cat.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: In the same way that she's fucking with the cat
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: because yeah.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: Because she goes to what's his name, uh, Phinic. She
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: goes to Phinic after to be like they're using Annie
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: and Yah to with us.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so she refuses to participate. And they were supposed
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: to like let everyone know that they're unharmed and that
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: you know, no damage was done to District thirteen. But
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: she's like, I can't play this game is too much.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: I fucking can't do this. Fuck you, And then Hilary
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: is like, okay, Peter gave us eight minutes or so,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: this was kind of.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: Weird, and still eight extra minutes.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: Eight extra minutes, and then they make this like rescue mission.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, which was again like it kind of outrageous, like
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 5: to like evenly position them so much. Again, that part
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 5: kind of comes back ye.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: Funny because yeah, it becomes mission impossible because they're doing
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: the you know, hanging from a from the the rope
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: the rope right, like the famous mission impossible move. They're
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: literally doing that. Yeah, so they're like operatives going into
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: the heart of the city to save Peter and Annie. Yeah,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: that's also.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: Part of it feels like we need a cool action
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: scene to like level this off into like a solid
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: movie by itself, right, because like you can't end on
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: a on a kind of oh we don't no on a.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: We could have ended on A.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: But then like also when they come outside and snow
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: is like rained down all the white roses, so he.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: Like genetically engineered Dick Vayne roses.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 5: Don't you love the Mars Bar Dick Vane doud you
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 5: remember when they tried to troll people and we're like
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 5: we're taking away the Dick Vane that everybody was like, Noane.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: How am I supposed to live my life now? Yeah?
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Mars Bar Dick Vane is one of the one
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: of life's few pleasures.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: And the green eminem.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Tucker was right, guys, the green eminem
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: was the sexiest.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: It's the boots, the boots.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 6: And the boots, the house down, Alex, what's going on?
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: Like, so they get outside and they try and make
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: yet another propaganda video with the shaved side head lady,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: uh and everybody else. And and I love the fact
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: that that, uh, we have this really nice moment of
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: them trying to dead eyed because they're all it's weird
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: because they're all sort of propagandazed in a way that's like, Okay,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: well this tragedy has happened. Now we're this is the
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: opportunity we look for the spin spin it. And she,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: the shaved sidehead lady, is like like this is what
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: they did to District thirty, you know, trying to like
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: whisper and and yeah, whatdy? Harrelson is like, can you
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: turn the cameras off? Please? And then it gives her
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: a hug and it's it's nice.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: It's the cameras off please.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And and then and then like they have their
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: moment where this is what I appreciate about all the the.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 5: This.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: This is what I appreciate about the writing of Hamish
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: is that like he always ever since that point of
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: respect for Catness, for Catness happened, like he's like, yeah, yeah,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: this is the person, this is who.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: I like, this is the leader he decides.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: He decides yeah, And it's like he kind of is
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: working both sides of the propaganda stuff and her in
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: the way that he's like, you know, we can we
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: can win what we want out of this, which is
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: getting Peda back, uh and Annie back and tries to
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: sort of he's like a whip. He's trying to like
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: whip them to get to like get him them on
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: the resistance side because he knows it's it's better.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 5: Kind of what's interesting about some of these like people
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 5: is that like they're not all totally committed to the
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: resistance in a in an interesting way, like I think
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: Hamidge is such a good example of that.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: Well, Hamidge and Fie are just part of her crew, right,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: They're more loyal to her than they are to the
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: cause because they don't know these people.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: Who the fuck are the thirteen?
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're not allied with.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: You have no context for them at all. Like except
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: Gail being the best soldier now in the.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: Well because Gail has something to prove though he's kind
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: of like.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 6: He been cooked and he exactly.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: But also Phinnick is interesting because he gets substituted in
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: as the sort of like oh, Cadness couldn't be here
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 5: And like Phinnick has is like his own brand, he
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 5: has its own way of doing brand. I really I
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: really liked phittigs brand, Like he he was able to
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 5: like filibuster really well when oh.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's what he was doing, he was yeah, ye yeah,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: And he was also like, I know President Snow, he's
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: into secrets and yeah, he's like more familiar with the
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: capital and the total Gemini energy, Like total Gemini energy.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 5: I'm the life of the party and I know everyone's
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 5: secrets because I love gossip. Is basically what he says.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 6: He's like yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah kind of I think he starts revealing the
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: poison thing. Is that what happens then? About how.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 12: I was gonna say, Professor Snow president of President Snow
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 12: has been like basically his m always like poisoning the
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 12: sender the.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah he that that is where where this happens
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: where he's just like revealing all the secrets of the regime.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: And then is like if if he does if and
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: if that does in or he'll kill somebody that you love, yeah,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: or if if if he doesn't, if killing somebody that
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: you love doesn't work against you, he'll just poison you
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: and whatever.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, And and I didn't get this part
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: even though I watched it twice, Like it's the assumption
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: that that presidents know is also by dealing with poison
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: been poisoned, or that other people tried to poison him. Anyway,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: he has some sores in his mouth apparently, and he stinks,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: and that's why he's surrounded by white roses to cover
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: the smell.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: Amazing.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that. And I was like, I don't
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: know if I understand this.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I understood that either, but I
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. And it didn't make me
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: think of because Trump apparently smells.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: They were totally riffing on that, Yeah.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I mean they could
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 5: just be like, a look at how evil he is.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: He stinks, you know, like or I don't know, like
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: he's so evil that he's like embodied, like, I don't know.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: Do you also like his name?
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: Well, what is it again?
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: Coraline? Is it Colin?
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 5: It's like corals? And then I said, what did I say?
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 5: I made a funny joke about coralis corne Zerra Sierra.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: That was more like she did. Uh.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyway, the Phoenix speech is happening while the
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: hijack is happening.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: The plan is to like get all the power out
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: of the Capitol so they can break in. Yeah, and
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: this also feels like alien today. It just seems like
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: it's impossible to me when they're dropping down.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: When they're dropping down, you know.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 5: I I thought that part was, yeah, like, okay, they
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: reached the they breached the point they're allowed to sort
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 5: of like come in. They kind of explain it. They
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: sort of retroactively make it okay because they're like, oh, well,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 5: the you know, the state is all power or the
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: Capitol is all powerful, and they would have been able
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: to capture you the whole time they let you do this.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 5: You didn't do anything like heroic or anything. It kind
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 5: of diffused the win.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: Well what yeah, the the implication is that it's like, okay,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: the resistance definitely wants these two people. Let's give it
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: to them and let's torture this this poor man.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 5: Well because then we find out that we find out
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 5: sleep agent, Yeah.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a great it's a great reveal. Yeah,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: we forgot that, Like Finnick wasn't filibustering that that. Well,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: so Catness had to step in and they have a
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: little check president President Snow. Can you hear me, I
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: never wanted any of this.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: It's Catn's presidents though, can you hear me? It's kind
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 5: of it's it's I think she on purpose was a
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: little bratty because because he's so also irritated by her
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 5: youth in a way.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 5: I think there's something about it that he hates, Like
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 5: it's just her exuberance and her glow snow. Yeah, oh yeah,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 5: I thought.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: I thought he did a really good job of there,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: not just the youth, but you being me. I think
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: that was the big thing, because like when you when
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: you guys told me that it was a prequel may
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: the for the movie the other movie was a prequel.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, my assumption was that it was about
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: Snow because it's like you have to connect it something.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: Of course, and he's such a compelling character.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: So it just it feels like I was like, oh,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: maybe he's like the original, like he's the one from
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: the first one.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: No, no, don't, don't mention anything. But I think it's
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: also like the fact that he's such a compelling villain
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: number one, number two, that we had like a decade
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: of really big movies that are focusing on villains as
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: like or showing narrative arcs of villains.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, totally, but this doesn't somehow like fall into that trope. Really,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: it just goes, yeah, well maybe I don't.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: Know an origin story it is.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And and actually this one, how did you guess
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 5: was the.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: Newest one?
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 5: Was pretty song of written in twenty twenty.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so it's like pretty recent, yeah, really really recent. Yeah,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: so it's kind of cool that they were able to
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: just Also, you're right, like, what was that he has
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: bloody sores in his mouth that will never heal or whatever?
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: What was that has the roses to cover up?
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 13: What?
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: I think it's. I think in this in this universe,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of like bioengineering and engineering in general,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: and they wanted to show the future like that. They
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: also deal with it in the prequel, you know, with
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: the birds and the mocking Jay and repeating, and the
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: you know and the dogs in the you know, the
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: the evil dogs in the first one.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: And the monkeys and exactly.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So there's a lot of idea of like,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 6: Fucking around with what's natural and.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, so I think I think the idea is
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: that yeah, he was maybe he was making the poison.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know, or.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 5: Maybe I don't know anyway, Yeah, And it seems also
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: like they talk about animals as if they're rare, because
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 5: when they hunt, they're like, oh, I haven't seen one
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: in a while. And so like maybe the whole idea
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 5: and the purpose behind the geoengineering is so that they
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 5: still have access to like nature and stuff, but they
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: don't actually have a any biodiversity, right.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that makes sense. Some of the biodiversity stuff.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: I felt like it was cool, especially in the fourth
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: one with like the alien guys, but I did feel
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: like that came out of nowhere because the other ones
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: were so natural in the or it's like, oh, well
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: it's in the game, so it might be fake, or
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: they just don't exist. But then it gets to points
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: where it's like, wait, what, why are there aliens in
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: this Prometheus aliens in this.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah they did a little bit of Prometheus as well
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: in this movie. Yeah, it's true, it's.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: True, but I'm down.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: I actually I love that part.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: They did the thing where that us didn't do, which
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: is over explain anything. They're just like, well, this just
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: exists in this world and it's scary in this part,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter whereas like you know, there's sometimes
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: movies that just way over explain what a thing is,
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: and it's.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: Like, okay, yeah, yeah, you could just show us something
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: exists and that's it. We don't know why, how and whatever.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: But they do. Yeah, they also do address it in
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: the break call. Then we talk about so much anyway,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: the conversation between Catness and President Snow, it's it's cool
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: because it's also kind of like the conversation between like
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: a mentor and the mentee, like a there's that kind
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: of relationship where he's like, little girl, you don't know,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like the piece is very fragile, and
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: you were a selfish little girl, and she's like being
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: bratty it's there's also sexual tension, but.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: There was always sexual sexual attension. But we reached the point,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: what do you think he got those sores in the
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: first place? Exactly constantly.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 5: Snow snow.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: I mean that would have been more interesting than just
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: the point snake snow. But yeah, then he reaches a
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: point where like you were a little selfish girl, you
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: just wanted she wanted, but which you don't understand, which.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: Is to some degree is true, and I am in
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: for it.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's the things we love the most that
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: will destroy us.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: Speaking of things that Catinus loves the most and is
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: going to destroy her, we get our first glimpse of CGI.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: And also like they got rid of the was this
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: the double chin or not double chin? Well, he doesn't
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: have a double.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: Chin like Peter's chin.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can tell the like warping face because it's
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: like really hard.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: It's kind of weird, like it just whenever they digitally
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: like alter then someone, it's like it looks so uncanny.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: It's uncanny because it's either they're pasting somebody else's body.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 5: Face looks like this.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but with Peta, they just they just digitally made.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: His I mean yeah, Peter should have just Christian bailed it,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 15: Oh yeah, very but then Peter freaks out.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: It's so scary when it happens, too, because it does
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: feel so ptsded and like so intense and her acting.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 5: Wait, did we say that they were saved?
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think it is.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 5: So they're saved, but they're they're like they're like, oh,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 5: it's too easy, and everyone's confused. Did we say that part?
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think we mentioned that. Yeah, but that's interesting, yeah.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because like everyone's like something's not right.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because because presidents knows, like it's a trap.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: You know, they found out that he knows what's happening, basically,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: but they let them get away.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 5: And like the this for all of the like weirdness
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 5: of like how digital Peta looks this scene when he's
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 5: choking her. I don't think I've ever seen like the
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 5: like eyes glazing over captured so well.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: So well, and the capillaries in your eyes popping.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: Later on, when she read it's an amazing moment, she's
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: like so happy to see him. Gail is like, okay,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: you can go see him.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 5: She cocks Hensworth again.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, but He also calls her out first time
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: in this movie when he's like telling her a sad
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: story and she goes to kiss him, and he's like,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: you know, you know what you're doing, it's a pattern,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: you like, you like a broken man, Like this is
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: all your seki.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 11: You know.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: The way he calls her out on it, it's little
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 5: like he gets real.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: It gets real.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but not just that one.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 5: One thing.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: I also wanted to mention that, just in regards to
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: Prim from earlier, she did mention that she was becoming
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: a doctor. They're training her to be a doctor, which
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: I thought was cool, like just as a as a
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: world building, like like a side character.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And also it shows the kind of roles that
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: people have in conflict, and which usually women had in
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: situations like that, if they're not a fighter, you have
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: to do something.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And she's becoming her own person, you know.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: And then Prim and her are sitting after what's his
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: name Peter chokes her, And I love when maherschel Ali
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: comes and she like freaks out and panics and tries
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: to take the neck brace off because it's like, what's happening,
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: what's going on? So perfect?
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, because she passed out in the middle
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: of being choked by the person she loves. But we
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: forgot what did what did he hit hit Peter with?
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: It looked like a fucking frying pan, Lama.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 5: For some reason, I kept thinking it was like the
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 5: top of a toilet bowl. That I know it was,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 5: but like.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: Everyone imagined their own thing.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 5: Alex and I were or I think we all agreed
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: that if the movie was bold enough to end like
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 5: right there with the would have been kind of cool.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: It would have been amazing. Yeah, but they have they
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: have to have like an epilogy kind of it. Maybe
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: a bit been a bedpan.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 5: It was totally at That's why I thought it was
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: a toilet toilet.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: It's between a pan and a toilet, exactly right.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: And then and then what can we reverse his torture?
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: Fear is the we don't know fear is the thing
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: that we remember most.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for some reason, give us an explanation. And they
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: brainwashed him by using kind of similar venom that those
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: wasps have in the psychoactive wasp. Yeah yeah, yeah, so
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: again with the bio weapons.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 5: If wasps existed, people will be like, hey, if you
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 5: do you have any wasp any wasp? Do you have
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 5: any wasp?
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, yeah, people reducing themselves on purpose.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 5: I find that when it comes from the sting and
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 5: not like you're taking it in a in a t sure,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 5: the high is different.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I have the WASP vape, so much
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: easier the of M E O D was yet. But
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: you know what's what's also interesting about these final scenes
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: is that so Hillary Clinton is making a speech. And
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: notice have you noticed that, Like the further and further
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: this movie goes along, the more and more scary, they
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: start shooting Hillary Clinton. Like the lighting, the lighting, the camera,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: the shots are all wide, including a lot of the audience.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: The audience is all clapping at the same time in
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: the same way. Like it seems like there's a like
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: a sort of trying to make her out to be
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: not as not as a good person as she.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: Is, or just to give us a little bit of
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: suspicion about this collectivist lead, their leader leader.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: About Hillary Hillary Clinton.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it's the grays, you know.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 5: But but then you have what's it called, uh, doesn't
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 5: if you make a comment of.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: Exactly, yea.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 6: Revolution could use the revolution.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's like until we've made a new pan
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: am that we where we elect leaders not opposed upon us.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: But then when when you hear when it cuts to
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: Phillips Humer Hobbin, he's reciting the pech the speech that
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: he wrote for her, and he kind of looks at
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: it at him. Uh and that's also like that.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because individualism, guys, guys, you know.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 6: It's true.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: But yeah, and then she as she's doing her speech, uh,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: Catness goes to to look at Peter, who's like struggling
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: in the man.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 5: He did such a good job too, and hey, which
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 5: is like now cats, Oh, he's so.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: Sad, so sad.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: It's Peter like that boy has suffered.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 5: Well and they don't know if they can help him.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 5: And then it ends with.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: Him like like breaking out.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 5: And I was thinking about what he had to do
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: with his body in this scene, and I was just thinking, like, man,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 5: like I know he was in some pain. You could
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 5: hurt yourself, yeah, like if you're like and especially if
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 5: you're trying to act like you're feral, and the amount
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 5: of times they have to feel can you Yeah, all right, David,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 5: can you just give us a little bit more of
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 5: like just just dialing up like twenty percent perfect perfect exactly.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, not that I like that. Don't change that,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: don't turn that.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 5: Just be mindful not to turn so much to the left.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 5: It's just not playing well, yeah, exactly.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: That's what it is.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 5: And I was just like, oh man, this probably hurt Peter,
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 5: yeah for real.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: Just anyway, Yeah, that's that's the end of it where
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: we're it's a good it's a good pause in this
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: like one story one book that was cut in two pieces.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it does feel it has the same momentum
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 5: as the last movie.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: I would say, yes.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 5: Like it doesn't really let up in a in a way,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 5: and it kind of like gives us the same arc
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 5: almost of like we get a defeated Catnus at the
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 5: beginning who has to go through again this now adventure
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 5: find her bravery and whatnot. Yeah, it's different levels and.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: Different It has different problems that are slightly less forgivable
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: than the second one, because the second one is I
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: think the top of the franchise.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: Well what would you say, Those problems are less.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: The ones that that that we had mentioned before, where
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: like some things kind of don't make sense, but it's
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: comes from sort of the source material. It not making sense,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: whether it be like the how does this exist? The
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: rest of the evenly matched evenly matched?
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: It has been living underground for seventy five years eating
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: we don't.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 5: Know what, just waiting for the right time.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, eating children, eat children, children.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 5: They're pod dreaming of Zion.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: I mean those people were definitely in Zion. They were
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: definitely eating children. What else?
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 5: Growing things they do show us like hydroponic plants do.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: That you need some greens with the protein, and they're like.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: Psycho Zion.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're eating babies, you have some didn't
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: get the jokes down there with and like, to be honest,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: children are easiest to produce.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: They literally, what are you talking about? They're really hard
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: to produce.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 5: Are there no children?
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: But your own body is producing them?
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: Like you don't need to have animals, but you need
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: food to Like do.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 5: You think they're they're milking with They're just like there's milk,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 5: people are lactating, milkating.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know what, breast milk cheese probably really
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: good people.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: Is probably really tasty, Like milk itself is kind of gross.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 5: But people in perpetual pregnancy to like keep them.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: They're just milky, just combining them.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 5: Wait, so but I'm saying this because like there's no
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 5: children left, right.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: That's true. There's a very few children there.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 5: They and they talk about, oh, a disease wipe them out.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: A few years ago, it was a pandemic.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: There's a pandemic. Remember that that show of counter points,
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: what was it called contra points not contra points, that
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: show with with.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: When they're going through Berlin was Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: a good show.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: It was a good show with with j Jon and Jamison,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: that bald guy, you know what it's like in the
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: nineties and yeah, yeah, it was like a portal to
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: the other dimensions. And they had that commercial where that
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: mysterious disease was but all the kids would run away
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: with Remember.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: That was like a year before pandemic.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 11: It was.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: It was like really crazy because yeah, most of it
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: happened in the exact and exact way.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 5: Which is crazy. Yeah, but yeah, what.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: Would you give them counterpart?
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: Counterparts? Yeah?
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 5: I would give it. I love that show. Didn't they
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 5: just cancel it after one that one season? Yeah it
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 5: was okay, But yeah, I like this one. I think
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 5: I would give it a seven point five. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 5: like it's solid, it's it's a good continuation. I have
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 5: other thoughts about other parts of these that will maybe
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 5: do better than this one, but this one I feel
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 5: like is maybe the most mid.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: It is the most mid.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: I would say, sorry, I think it was necessary because
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: it's like setting us up for the end, right, Like
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: it's like a it is a mid movie because it's
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: a part one.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 5: The journey.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it knocks it. I knocked so many. I would
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: still give it an eight, but it knocks it down
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: for me because of the fact that it's like I
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: don't like movies that are half a movie.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: No one does that. But you don't want to be
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: Martin Scorsese and have four hours like nobody wants to
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: be that guy.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: It's but yeah, you're right, and and that's the thing.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: There are certain kinds of limitations that this one.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: You know what I would like when they do ship
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: like that. Don't let us wait for a fucking year.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: Don't let us wait for a year.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: Why don't you put both of them part one part two?
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: There you go? Yeah, would that be stupid or like
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: a month apart.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: Or something like that? If it's a summer blockbuster, do
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: it the next of the month.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know, something like that.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: But the thing is they also want to do it
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: for tax reasons, that it's a separate movie that's for
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: that year, and it's like, oh, yeah, we made this.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure they have reasons. First I thought
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: they were filming them into like first one and then
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: the other, but sometimes they made both of them the
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: same time, and then they just.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: Wait a year.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 5: Did they make them the same time? They must they
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 5: made it not at the same time, Yeah, for sure,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 5: because that also costs, cuts costs, and you get two
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 5: movies for one. It's bigger production value. Maybe.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's annoying.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 5: They have all the costumes, you already have all the
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 5: exact and you get two releases. Actually I understand why
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 5: they did it, but.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: I'm angry at it. No one wants to wait a
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: year to the second part of the movie, like the
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: movie needs to be.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: But also what I want to I wanted to bring
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: it back just to Edge of Tomorrow and how much
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: Edge of Tomorrow not influence this movie, but how many
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: parallel to Edge of Tomorrow exists came out the same
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: year no IgE Tomorrow came out in twenty fourteen, right,
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: this is this twelve?
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: This is this series started twelve and then oh yeah
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: it's fourteen or fifteen for sure, twenty fourteen.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that. Maybe they did influence each other.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: But like that the kinds of ways the like propaganda moves,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: how the military operates, how taking some of the militarism
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: of real life and applying it to like a real
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: life sort of taking a real life thing and applying
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: it to fiction. In this way, there's a lot of parallels.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: It's good in a lot of the same ways, you know.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: But I'm really excited to talk about the the next
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: there's season finale.
• 2:00:51
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  Speaker 5: Dude, did you see the picture I said you of
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 5: them as young.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: Young detective, happy with each other. Both have hair.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 5: Well, what he's significantly more balded. It has always been,
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 5: including now when he didn't use the serum, dude I had,
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 5: it was the size of a quarter hole in the
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 5: back and then through miraculously. When I watched this video
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 5: of Matthew McConaughey talking about.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: That was an impression of.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 5: I know I was, but I was doing Matthew McConaughey
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 5: because he talks about this like serum that he uses
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 5: restored his hair, that he doesn't have hair plugs. And
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 5: then well I saw a surgeon who does hair plugs.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: The bald guy. I love that Guy's so cool.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 5: I watched him and he was like analyzing it and
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 5: he's like, well, no, like you can clearly see the
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 5: donor hair, and you can see the way the line is.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 5: The line didn't exist.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: The line is different at different points when he had
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: different surgeries. No, I love that dude.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 5: He did you see he's growing.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: His hair back, his hair back he had because he
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: has like.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 5: But he has the other kind of alopecia, not the androgen,
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 5: just the male pattern baldness he's got. He's got the
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 5: like one where it just like falls out, everything falls up.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 5: He's like, but see how I stimulated it with cortisol,
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 5: And for someone like me, the process is a little
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 5: bit different, and it's like growing back and patches.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: It's cool, dude, anyway, it's just melts.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 5: And I talked about this balding.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: Fascinated with balding.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 5: Of course, dude, it's because I got all my hairbag,
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 5: dude with monoxidal. All right, see you next week.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: Bye bye, Okay, I gotta get this plant. What's this one?
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: It's called zz plant.