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Chilling Nolan Wells Grand Jury Report UNSEALED · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: What happens when you have a diverse 22-person grand jury
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  Speaker 1: looking at 132 subpoenas in a quiet room, but then
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  Speaker 1: you have a million people on the Internet looking at
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  Speaker 1: a 30-second TikTok video?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a massive disconnect. Right.
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  Speaker 1: In the summer of 2026, those two totally different realities
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  Speaker 1: just collided in Mississippi. And what followed wasn't just, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a normal search for answers. It became this absolute collision
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  Speaker 1: between a tragic reality and a digital witch hunt.
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  Speaker 2: It really fundamentally challenges how we even define truth in
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  Speaker 2: the modern era. Because you have the methodical, painstaking, and frankly,
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  Speaker 2: often frustratingly slow machinery of the justice system operating at
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  Speaker 2: one speed. And then the algorithmic outrage-driven machinery of social
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  Speaker 2: media operating at light speed.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. And you listening to this right now, you're probably
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  Speaker 1: familiar with how these cases feel when they completely take
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  Speaker 1: over your feed. I mean, the speculation... the zooming in
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  Speaker 1: on grainy photos, the absolute certainty of total strangers halfway
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  Speaker 1: across the world.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, everyone becomes a detective overnight.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So for today's deep dive, we are stepping right
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  Speaker 1: into the center of one of the most intense, emotionally charged,
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  Speaker 1: and just digitally explosive cases in recent memory. We're looking
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  Speaker 1: at the death of 18-year-old Nolan Wells.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Nolan was a college football player. By all accounts,
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  Speaker 2: a vibrant young man with an incredible future.
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  Speaker 1: Ahead of him. He was. And on July 4th, 2026,
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  Speaker 1: he went on a boating trip with a massive group
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  Speaker 1: of young people to Horn Island, which is a barrier
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  Speaker 1: island off the coast of Mississippi.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Two days later, on July 6th, his body was pulled
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  Speaker 1: from the water.
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  Speaker 2: And for the family and the local community, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that is an unspeakable, world-shattering loss. But what happened almost
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  Speaker 2: immediately after discovery of his body is, well, it's why
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  Speaker 2: we're unpacking this today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the local tragedy was essentially exported to the Internet
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  Speaker 1: where it just mutated.
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  Speaker 2: The narrative was completely hijacked.
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  Speaker 1: Completely. And to figure out how a local tragedy spirals
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  Speaker 1: into a national conspiracy, and more importantly, to look at
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  Speaker 1: what the actual evidence says, we've pulled together a really
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  Speaker 1: specific stack of primary sources for you.
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  Speaker 2: Because we are not looking at Reddit threads or viral
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  Speaker 2: videos here.
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  Speaker 1: No, definitely not. We have the newly unsealed grand jury
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  Speaker 1: report detailing the official investigation. We have an unprecedented, highly
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  Speaker 1: detailed and frankly blistering video statement from the Jackson County
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  Speaker 1: District Attorney Angel Mears Maddow.
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  Speaker 2: And we also have the direct forceful public counter responses
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  Speaker 2: from the Wells family's attorney, Ben Crump. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And finally, we've got an incredibly revealing interview with defense
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  Speaker 1: attorney Russell Latino. who represents one of the young men
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  Speaker 1: targeted in the massive defamation fallout of this whole case.
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  Speaker 2: So the mission of this deep dive is strict neutrality.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a case steeped in profound grief,
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  Speaker 2: historical racial tensions, and this massive friction between the legal
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  Speaker 2: system and the court of public opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. We're going to look exclusively at the claims, the data,
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  Speaker 1: and the evidence presented in these specific official documents. We
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  Speaker 1: want to understand not just what the legal system concluded,
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  Speaker 1: but how they got there.
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  Speaker 2: And why those conclusions were so violently rejected by the Internet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Think of our approach today, like walking into an
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  Speaker 1: active crime scene where a stadium full of people is
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  Speaker 1: just screaming at you to look at a shadowy corner.
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  Speaker 1: Our job for you is to tune out the screaming,
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  Speaker 1: pull out a magnifying glass, and just look at the
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  Speaker 1: actual data points.
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  Speaker 2: The biology, the phone metadata, the legal statutes.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So let's start with the very first filter the
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  Speaker 1: justice system uses when a body is found, which is
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  Speaker 1: the physical evidence and the grand jury process. I actually
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  Speaker 1: want to pause here because I think I, along with
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people, have a fundamental misunderstanding of what
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  Speaker 1: a grand jury actually does.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's super common.
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  Speaker 1: Like my instinct is that they are there to decide
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  Speaker 1: if someone is guilty or innocent.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the most common misconception. And it's vital
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  Speaker 2: to clear that up before we look at their findings.
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  Speaker 2: A grand jury is not a trial jury. They do
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  Speaker 2: not hear defense attorneys arguing for innocence. A grand jury
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  Speaker 2: is essentially an investigative gateway.
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean exactly?
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  Speaker 2: It is a group of citizens gathered together to look
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  Speaker 2: at the evidence compiled by the state and answer one
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  Speaker 2: simple question. Is there enough probable pause here to believe
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  Speaker 2: that a specific crime was committed and that a specific
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  Speaker 2: person should be formally charged and put on trial?
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  Speaker 1: So they're just looking for that initial green light.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. If they say yes, they issue what's called a
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  Speaker 2: true bill, which is an indictment. If they look at
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  Speaker 2: the evidence and say, you know, we don't see proof
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  Speaker 2: of a crime here, they issue a no true bill.
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  Speaker 1: Got it. So they were looking for a baseline of
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  Speaker 1: evidence just to start the formal prosecution process. And in
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  Speaker 1: the death of Nolan Wells, this panel issued a no
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  Speaker 1: true bill.
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  Speaker 2: Right. They unanimously found no evidence to support bringing any
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  Speaker 2: criminal charges.
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  Speaker 1: None at all. They stated there was no evidence of
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  Speaker 1: racially motivated, wrongful, criminal or violent acts connected to his death.
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  Speaker 1: And the demographic makeup of this jury is actually specifically
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  Speaker 1: highlighted in the sources. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And that's an important detail given the immense racial tensions
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  Speaker 2: surrounding the public narrative online. This wasn't a monolithic group.
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  Speaker 2: It was a 22-person panel.
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  Speaker 1: 22 people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the breakdown was 12 white members, five African-American members,
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  Speaker 2: two Hispanic members, two Native American members, and one Asian member. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So a really diverse cross-section.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. You have 22 citizens from day or background sitting
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  Speaker 2: in a room reviewing the totality of the state's investigation.
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  Speaker 2: And they reached a unanimous consensus.
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  Speaker 1: And let's talk about the sheer volume of that investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Because when I read the numbers in this report, I
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  Speaker 1: was staggered. They didn't just like read a police summary
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  Speaker 1: and call it a day.
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  Speaker 2: No, not even close.
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  Speaker 1: The report outlines that they issued 132 subpoenas. I kind
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  Speaker 1: of want to drill down on that. 132 subpoenas feels massive.
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  Speaker 1: What does that actually look like in practice? It's not
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  Speaker 1: just interviewing people, right?
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  Speaker 2: Far from it. A septina is a legal demand for
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  Speaker 2: records or testimony. To get one, a prosecutor generally has
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  Speaker 2: to demonstrate to a judge that the information sought is
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  Speaker 2: relevant to an ongoing investigation. So issuing 132 of them
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  Speaker 2: indicates an incredibly wide, incredibly aggressive dragnet. We are talking
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  Speaker 2: about compelling cellular providers... to hand over tower pings and
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  Speaker 2: text logs.
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  Speaker 1: So they're pulling all the data.
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  Speaker 2: Everything. Forcing social media companies to export private message histories
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  Speaker 2: and location data. It could involve bank records to track purchases,
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  Speaker 2: GPS data from marine vessel navigation systems, ring camera footage
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  Speaker 2: from marinas, you name it.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds like a logistical nightmare.
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  Speaker 2: It is a massive, time-consuming logistical undertaking that generates absolute
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  Speaker 2: mountains of data.
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  Speaker 1: And in addition to the data... They heard testimony or
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  Speaker 1: reviewed recorded statements from 43 different witnesses.
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  Speaker 2: 43.
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  Speaker 1: So they have the digital footprint, they have the human testimony,
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  Speaker 1: and then they have the physical body itself. And this
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  Speaker 1: is where the public narrative completely fractured from the legal narrative.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the turning point.
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  Speaker 1: Because the grand jury report stated that the position, condition,
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  Speaker 1: time of discovery, and location of Nolan's body was, quote,
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  Speaker 1: consistent with drowning. They explicitly found no evidence of a homicide.
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  Speaker 1: But the medical science wasn't entirely black and white, was it?
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  Speaker 2: No, and honestly, forensic pathology rarely is, especially under these
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  Speaker 2: specific environmental conditions. Right. The friction here, the real spark
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  Speaker 2: that ignited a lot of the online firestorm, came when
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  Speaker 2: the family hired an independent forensic pathologist, Dr. Roger Mitchell,
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  Speaker 2: to conduct a second autopsy. Okay. And during his examination, Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Mitchell identified a red discoloration, an apparent bruising in the
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  Speaker 2: soft tissue on the back of Nolan's head.
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  Speaker 1: OK, stop right there, because if I'm sitting at home
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  Speaker 1: just scrolling on my phone and I see a headline
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  Speaker 1: that says independent autopsy finds bruise on back of head
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  Speaker 1: of drowned teen, my brain immediately goes to foul play.
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  Speaker 2: Of course it does.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking someone hit him from behind. He was attacked.
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  Speaker 1: How did the grand jury process that specific physical anomaly?
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  Speaker 2: Well, they addressed it directly. The grand jury noted that
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  Speaker 2: while the discoloration was present, it was definitively not a
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  Speaker 2: fatal injury.
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  Speaker 1: OK, so it didn't kill him.
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  Speaker 2: Right. But the crux of the issue is that they
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  Speaker 2: concluded the actual cause of that red discoloration could simply
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  Speaker 2: not be determined.
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  Speaker 1: They just didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: And this is where we have to talk about the
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  Speaker 2: brutal realities of human decompositions, specifically in a marine environment
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of a Mississippi summer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the water temperature in the Gulf in
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  Speaker 1: July is basically bathwater. It's incredibly warm.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. When a body is in a warm aquatic environment
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  Speaker 2: for roughly 48 hours... The biological breakdown is really aggressive.
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  Speaker 2: Forensic pathologists face a massive interpretive challenge here.
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  Speaker 1: Because things are changing so fast.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. When they look at a red discoloration in soft
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  Speaker 2: tissue under those conditions, they are trying to differentiate between
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  Speaker 2: two very distinct mechanisms. The first mechanism is blunt force trauma.
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  Speaker 1: Like a hit.
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  Speaker 2: Which could be a punch, or it could be just
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  Speaker 2: slipping and bumping your head on a fiberglass boat deck.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and the second?
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  Speaker 2: The second mechanism is lividity and cutrefaction. Once the heart stops,
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  Speaker 2: blood settles due to gravity. And as tissues break down,
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  Speaker 2: they release fluids and gases that cause discoloration and swelling
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  Speaker 2: that can perfectly mimic a bruise.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, really? So you're saying the science at that stage
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  Speaker 1: of decomposition literally cannot tell the difference between he bumped
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  Speaker 1: his head and his body is just naturally breaking down
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  Speaker 1: in the water?
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  Speaker 2: In many cases, yes. The cellular degradation totally masks the
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  Speaker 2: origin of the mark. The grand jury was presented with
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  Speaker 2: a medical finding that essentially said, look, this mark exists,
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  Speaker 2: but science cannot tell you how or why it got there.
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  Speaker 1: But they didn't just look at the pathology in a vacuum, right?
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  Speaker 1: They layered those 43 witness statements over it.
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  Speaker 2: They did.
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  Speaker 1: And the report explicitly notes. that a witness testified under
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  Speaker 1: oath that they actually saw Nolan slip awkwardly off the
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  Speaker 1: side of a boat that afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a crucial piece of testimony.
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  Speaker 1: The witness noted that he might have hit something during
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  Speaker 1: the slip, but he immediately got back up. He continued
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  Speaker 1: to socialize.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And he didn't show any signs of being injured or
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  Speaker 1: in pain.
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  Speaker 2: And this is where the grand jury's function is critical.
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  Speaker 2: They synthesize the disparate pieces of evidence. You have an
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  Speaker 2: ambiguous medical finding a non-fatal red mark on the back
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  Speaker 2: of the head. And you have sworn testimony of a benign,
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  Speaker 2: completely mundane boating mishap, a slip and fall.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Which happens all the time on boats.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. When you pair those together, alongside the fact that
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  Speaker 2: out of 43 witnesses, no one reported seeing any physical altercation,
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  Speaker 2: argument or fight.
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  Speaker 1: The grand jury concluded there was simply no evidence to
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  Speaker 1: escalate an ambiguous mark into a murder charge.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: That makes logical sense when you walk through it slowly
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  Speaker 1: like that. But there was another major piece of physical
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  Speaker 1: evidence that the Internet was totally fixated on.
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  Speaker 2: The toxicology report.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, the tox report. There were rampant rumors online that
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  Speaker 1: Nolan was drugged or forcibly intoxicated. People were waiting for
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  Speaker 1: the tox screen to be the smoking gun.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: But the grand jury report. Essentially threw a wet blanket
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  Speaker 1: on that, calling the toxicology not particularly informative. And I
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  Speaker 1: have to ask, why? I mean, I assumed a blood
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  Speaker 1: test is a blood test.
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  Speaker 2: Again, we have to look at the mechanics of biological decomposition.
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  Speaker 2: A toxicology screen on a living person or someone recently
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  Speaker 2: deceased in a controlled environment is highly accurate. But the
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  Speaker 2: report explicitly noted that decomposition fluid is a highly unreliable
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  Speaker 2: source for evaluating substance levels.
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  Speaker 1: I need you to break that down for me. I
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  Speaker 1: assume the body just breaks down. How does the breakdown
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  Speaker 1: actually alter the chemicals that are already in the blood?
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  Speaker 2: Think of the human body as a highly regulated, compartmentalized
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  Speaker 2: chemical factory. When you are alive, your liver processes alcohol,
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  Speaker 2: your stomach contains certain bacteria, your blood flows in a
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  Speaker 2: closed loop.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Everything is in its place.
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  Speaker 2: Right. But when you die, those barriers dissolve. In a
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  Speaker 2: warm marine environment, bacteria from the gut spread rapidly through
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  Speaker 2: the tissues. the fermentation process of that bacteria can actually
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  Speaker 2: produce ethanol post-mortem.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, a body can essentially create its own alcohol as
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  Speaker 1: it decomposes?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it can. Wow. Furthermore, as cells burst and fluids
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  Speaker 2: mix with whatever water was taken into the lungs or stomach,
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  Speaker 2: the concentration of any substance that was present becomes diluted
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  Speaker 2: or totally altered.
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  Speaker 1: So trying to get a precise read on his blood
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  Speaker 1: alcohol level, or testing for certain drugs, becomes a scientific
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  Speaker 1: guessing game. Because the sample itself is fundamentally corrupted by
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  Speaker 1: the environment.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It's scientifically compromised. But they were able to make
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  Speaker 2: a few definitive baseline determinations despite the degradation.
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  Speaker 1: Like what?
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  Speaker 2: Well, they definitively ruled out the presence of cocaine, which
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  Speaker 2: completely shut down that specific online rumor.
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  Speaker 1: Good to know.
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  Speaker 2: They also pulled records showing that Nolan had successfully purchased
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  Speaker 2: alcohol using a fake ID prior to the boating trip.
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  Speaker 2: the investigation verified that no adults had supplied or procured
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  Speaker 2: alcohol for him during the outing.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so they established that he brought his own alcohol
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  Speaker 1: and he wasn't doing cocaine. But regarding the exact level
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  Speaker 1: of intoxication when he entered the water, the science just
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  Speaker 1: sort of throws its hands up.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: Which brings me to a really profound question about how
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  Speaker 1: we consume information. When a grand jury, like the highest
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  Speaker 1: investigative authority in this scenario, comes out and says, look,
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  Speaker 1: We can't definitively tell you what caused this mark on
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  Speaker 1: his head. And the biology makes the toxicology report too
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  Speaker 1: unreliable to give you exact numbers.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: How does that sheer ambiguity interact with a public that
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  Speaker 1: is demanding absolute cinematic closure?
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  Speaker 2: It creates what we can call an information vacuum.
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  Speaker 1: An information vacuum.
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  Speaker 2: And human psychology fundamentally abhors a vacuum, especially surrounding a tragedy.
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  Speaker 2: We are storytelling creatures. We want clear cause and effect.
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  Speaker 1: We want a beginning, a middle, and a definitive end.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. With a clear protagonist and antagonist. When the state
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  Speaker 2: presents a reality that is scientifically ambiguous and fundamentally chaotic,
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  Speaker 2: a slip, a drowning, a lack of clear chemical data,
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  Speaker 2: the public brain just rejects it.
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  Speaker 1: It feels insufficient for the scale of the tragedy. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So the public fills that vacuum with their own narratives.
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  Speaker 2: And historically, the narratives we invent are far more intentional, sinister,
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  Speaker 2: and dramatic than the boring, tragic reality of an accident.
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  Speaker 1: It's like we'd rather believe in a complex, evil conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: than accept the terrifying reality that a young, healthy person
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  Speaker 1: can just slip into the water and die.
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  Speaker 2: It's absolutely a defense mechanism.
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  Speaker 1: But if the physical body is a dead end for
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  Speaker 1: these internet sleuths, I know exactly where they go next.
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  Speaker 1: They go to the digital footprint.
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  Speaker 2: Of course they do.
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  Speaker 1: Because if the biology is corrupted by seawater, surely the
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  Speaker 1: phone will give us the hard, incorruptible data.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, that is the modern reflex for sure. The smartphone
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  Speaker 2: has become our secondary and often our most reliable witness.
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  Speaker 2: It tracks geolocation, communication, intention.
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  Speaker 1: In the Nolan Wells case, the narrative surrounding his phone
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  Speaker 1: became an absolute monster online. The public speculation was rabid.
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  Speaker 1: And it centered on two main behavioral questions.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: First, why would an 18-year-old kid leave his cell phone
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  Speaker 1: on a boat before going on to a barrier island
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  Speaker 1: to party? And second, why didn't he return to the
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  Speaker 1: mainland on the exact same boat he arrived on?
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  Speaker 2: Both fair questions.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll admit, as someone who watches a lot of
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  Speaker 1: true crime documentaries, when I hear he left his phone
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  Speaker 1: behind and switched vehicles, alarm bells go off. Naturally. It
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  Speaker 1: sounds like someone trying to hide their tracks or someone
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  Speaker 1: else trying to isolate him.
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  Speaker 2: It certainly sounds suspicious when you view it backwards, starting
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  Speaker 2: from the fact that he died. But the grand jury
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  Speaker 2: didn't look at it backwards.
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  Speaker 1: How did they look at it?
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  Speaker 2: They looked at it chronologically through the lens of what
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  Speaker 2: we might call island sociology.
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  Speaker 1: Island sociology. I like that. What did they find?
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  Speaker 2: They stated that what Nolan did is actually entirely normal
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  Speaker 2: behavior for that specific environment.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. When large groups of young people congregate on a
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  Speaker 2: barrier island, The social dynamics are super fluid. You don't
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  Speaker 2: necessarily stick to the four people you rode out with.
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  Speaker 2: You mingle, you jump from boat to boat, you join
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  Speaker 2: different groups.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: The grand jury explicitly noted that it is not unusual
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  Speaker 2: for individuals socializing on Horn Island to return on boats
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  Speaker 2: they didn't initially travel out on. You leave when you're
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  Speaker 2: ready with whoever is heading back at that time.
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  Speaker 1: And regarding the phone.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Same sociological conclusion. I mean, you are at a sandbar.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: There is saltwater. There is sand. People are drinking and swimming.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: It is highly common for people to leave their expensive
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: electronics tucked away in the cabin or console of a
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: boat they are socializing on to keep them safe.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: To protect them from the water.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Exactly. In fact, the grand jury report specifically highlighted a
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: crucial detail. Nolan's phone was not the only phone left
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: behind that day.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Wait, really? Other people left their phones, too.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Yes. Multiple other people's phones made it back to the
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: mainland without their owners because they hopped onto different boats
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: for the ride back.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: That completely changes the context. I mean, if I think
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: about a massive house party, say I get a ride
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: there with one friend, but I end up hanging out
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: in the backyard with a totally different group. Right. My
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: phone is annoying me, or the battery is low, so
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: I toss it on the kitchen island. At the end
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: of the night, I catch a ride home with the
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: backyard group. figuring I'll text my friend tomorrow to get
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: my phone back. That is the most boring, benign teenage
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: behavior imaginable. But if I mysteriously vanish an hour later,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: suddenly the fact that I abandoned my primary communication device
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: and fled in a secondary vehicle looks like a massive,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: sinister clue to an internet sleuth.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: It says the very definition of hindsight bias. We take chaotic,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: perfectly normal human behavior and aggressively assign nefarious intent to
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: it simply because we know a tragedy occurred shortly after.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: We read the benign actions as clues.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: But the grand jury didn't just say, you know, hey,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: it's normal to leave a phone. They actually dug into
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: the hard data on that device. They did. The report
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: mentions they reviewed a 14-page cellular activity report. And I
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: found this fascinating. That report was actually generated by Garrett Discovery, Inc.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: which was the digital forensic firm hired by the Wells family,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: not the police.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Correct. The family's own retained experts extracted that data, and
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: the grand jury also reviewed a much larger 260-page Snapchat
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: conversation report.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Wow, 260 pages.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Alongside data on the phone's locking states, app usage, location metadata,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: and message logs.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Quick question on the technical side. What is a locking state,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: and why does a grand jury care about it?
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Ah, a locking state refers to the exact timestamps of
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: when a phone screen is illuminated, unlocked via passcode or biometrics,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: and when it goes back to sleep.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: So even if you don't send a text, the phone
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: knows you were holding it.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Even if you don't send a message, your phone
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: logs when you physically picked it up and woke it up.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: By analyzing locking states alongside app usage, forensic analysts can
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: build a very precise timeline of exactly when the phone
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: was active in a human hand versus when it was
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: just sitting idle receiving background notifications.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, so they have the family's forensic report. They have
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: 260 pages of Snapchat data. They have the locking states.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: What did the actual data say? Did someone wipe the phone?
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: The definitive conclusion from the grand jury, which was backed
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: by the DA's office, was unequivocal.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Which was?
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Absolutely nothing was deleted from Nolan's phone since his last
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: physical use of it.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Nothing at all.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Furthermore, the data showed that no one other than his
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: family used the phone after he last used it.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: So there was no digital cover-up.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: No free.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: deleting of threatening texts. No group chat where his friends
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: coordinated a fake story. It was just a phone sitting
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: on a boat untouched by anyone but his family after
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: the fact.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The digital footprint completely corroborated the physical findings. There
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: was zero evidence of criminality, tampering, or false statements to
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: law enforcement regarding the device.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Now, despite this absolute mountain of digital and physical evidence
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: pointing to a tragic accident, the grand jury did leave
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: one tiny legal door cracked open.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: They did.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: They included a caveat in their report stating that if,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: at any point in the future, new evidence should develop
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: suggesting Nolan's death was non-accidental... That evidence should be presented
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to a grand jury for possible homicide charges.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Why include that if they're so sure? Does it mean
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: they secretly think something happened?
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Not at all. It is standard prosecutorial prudence.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: The justice system rarely speaks in absolute permanent infinities because
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: they cannot predict the future. They're simply stating the procedural reality.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: A no true bill is not double jeopardy.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: So they can try again if they need to.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Right. If someone magically walks into a police station in
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: 10 years with a videotape showing a crime, the state
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: is legally permitted to reopen the case. But based on
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: the totality of the massive investigation before them, they close
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: the current inquiry.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, so the official legal system has spoken. The grand
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: jury says no crime. But the internet is not a
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: court of law.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: No, it is not.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: And the public is still screaming foul play. This immense
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: public pressure forces the district attorney, Angel Mears Math, into
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: an incredibly rare and explosive public posture. This is where
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: we enter the war of narratives.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: And we really cannot overstate how unusual the DA's next
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: move was.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she released a highly produced direct-to-camera video statement aggressively
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: addressing the public and specifically targeting the family's legal team.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Right, and to give you some operational context here, district
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: attorneys despise talking publicly during investigations.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: They just want to stay quiet.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Their entire mandate is to preserve the integrity of the
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: judicial process. If a DA speaks out, they risk tainting
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: the jury pool, tipping off potential suspects, or giving defense
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: attorneys grounds for a mistrial down the road.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Makes sense.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: They're trained to operate in absolute silence until they are
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: standing in front of a judge.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: So for a sitting DA to break that cardinal rule,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: set up a camera, and forcefully push back on a
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: public narrative, well, it tells me that the external pressure
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: wasn't just annoying. It was actively threatening the stability of
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the legal system in her jurisdiction.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Precisely. It signals that the spread of misinformation had reached
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: a critical mass where silence was more damaging to justice
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: than speaking out.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: And she didn't just offer mild bureaucratic pushback. She leveled
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: highly specific, pointed accusations directly at attorney Ben Crump and
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: his legal team, who represent the Walls family.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, she did.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: The DA's central thesis was essentially that the Crump team
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: knew the factual truth of the investigation... but intentionally allowed
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the public to believe a sensationalized lie.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Her claims were incredibly detailed regarding the timeline of information sharing.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: What did she claim?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: For example, she stated that on July 15, 2026, the
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: state presented the Crump team and the family with hard
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: evidence that Nolan had purchased his own alcohol using a
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: fake ID.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Yet, according to the DA, the legal team chose not
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: to share that crucial fact with the public.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Which allowed the internet to continue raging with rumors that
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: some older, sinister figure had purposely supplied him with alcohol
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: to incapacitate him.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Right. She went even further. She claimed that on August 13th,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: after the Crump team had conducted their own independent autopsy
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: and had received hundreds of public tips, they privately admitted
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: to the DA's office that they had no evidence of
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: a crime being committed against Nolan.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Wait, they admitted that privately?
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: According to the DA, yes. Yet, she argued, they walked
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: out of those private meetings and continued to allow a
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: public narrative of foul play to flourish in the media.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: The most contentious technical dispute in her video centered around
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: that cell phone we just talked about.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Ah, yes.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: One of the biggest viral rumors online was that the
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: DA's office was actively obstructing a mutual examination of Nolan's phone.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Like they were hiding the data.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: The DA forcefully denied this, and she pointed out a
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: vital logistical constraint that the Internet doesn't completely ignored. She
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: stated the state of Mississippi had no legal avenue to
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: seize the phone because the family had taken physical possession
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: of it in the early hours of July 5th before
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: a criminal investigation was even formalized.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Because it was their private property.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Exactly. The state literally couldn't hide the phone because they
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: didn't have it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: The D.A. claimed that the state had to rely on
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: the family to provide the data. She stated that on
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: August 28th, the Crump team promised to send the full,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: complete extraction data of the phone via FedEx within 48 hours.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: And did they?
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: They did provide that preliminary 14-page summary report we discussed earlier,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: which showed no dilutions. But the DA explicitly stated on
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: camera that her office never received the complete, raw extraction
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: report that was promised. Wow.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: She also used a large portion of the video to
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: defend the scientific integrity and transparency of her office. Yes.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: She detailed exactly how she accommodated Dr. Mitchell, the family's
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: independent pathologist. She says she gave him unrestricted access to
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the complete investigative file. She arranged for him to physically
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: go out to Horn Island.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: And she facilitated a direct meeting between him and the
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: state's chief medical examiner. She also noted that she allowed Dr.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Mitchell to view histological studies, which is a crucial detail.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Wait, pause on that. What are histological studies? Why does
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: offering that prove her transparency?
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Histology is the microscopic study of tissues and cells. During
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: an autopsy, a pathologist doesn't just look at the gross anatomy,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: you know, the large organs. They take tiny slices of tissue,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: mount them on glass slides, and examine them under a
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: microscope to look for cellular damage, disease, or precise mechanisms
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: of death that aren't visible to the naked eye.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: So it's incredibly detailed.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Very. By giving the independent expert access to the state's
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: histological slides... The DA is essentially saying, we aren't just
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: letting you read our summary. We are letting you look
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: through our own microscopes at the raw cellular data.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: So they're hiding absolutely nothing.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Exactly. She also noted he was given access to parts
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: of the throat that were missing from his original independent exam.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Now, we have to address the incredibly sensitive historical context
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: that surrounds all of this. And we want to deliver
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: this to you with absolute neutrality, purely reflecting the claims
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: made in the official sources. Of course. The DA expressed immense,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: palpable frustration with outside influencers and specifically called out a
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: congresswoman for using Mississippi's very real, very dark racial history
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: to fan the flames of what the DA categorized as
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: a fabricated narrative.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: The specific internet rumor that caught fire was deeply rooted
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: in the historical racial trauma of the American South. The
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: rumor claimed that three white boys and one black boy
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: went out to an island and only the three white
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: boys returned.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: And for anyone familiar with the history of Mississippi, That
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: narrative immediately evokes visceral, historically justified terror and suspicion.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: But the DA stated unequivocally that this specific narrative was
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: entirely false. Nolan did not go to the island with
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: three white boys. He went to the island with a massive,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: diverse group of friends and connected with even more people
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: once he arrived.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: The DA stated there was absolutely zero evidence to support
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: allegations of any racial motivation.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: She asserted that Nolan voluntarily chose to stay on the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: island that day, that he was socializing freely, and that
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: in her words, his friends loved him and he loved them.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: She essentially accused public figures of exploiting a grieving family
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: and weaponizing Mississippi's painful history to generate social media engagement.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: She said, quote, The Crump team knew better, but did
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: not do better.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: It was a blistering, historically significant critique from a sitting prosecutor.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: But Ben Crump's team did not absorb that critique quietly.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: No, they did not. They fired right back. They are
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: not backing down from their pursuit of answers.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Crump released a statement accusing the state of Mississippi of
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: attempting to rush to close the chapter on Nolan's death
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: simply to make the media headache go away without getting
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: to the actual undeniable truth.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Crump strategically refocused the public's attention away from the digital
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: data and back onto the physical anomalies on the body.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: He reminded the public that Mississippi's own state pathologist initially
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: noted two bruises on the back of the young man's
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: head during the first examination.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: He heavily leaned on Dr. Mitchell's independent autopsy, which documented
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: traces of blood and recent blunt force injuries to the
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: back of the head and the back.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Crump argued a very simple, very emotionally resonant point. To
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: this day, despite 132 subpoenas and a grand jury, not
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: one single person has explained exactly how those specific injuries
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: got there.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Right. The state says we don't know. It might be decomposition.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: It might be a slip.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: And Crump says we don't know isn't good enough. He
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: also highlighted Dr. Mitchell's conclusion that the physical record simply
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: does not establish whether Nolan entered the water voluntarily, whether
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: he was forced, or whether he was even conscious when
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: he hit the water.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Crump essentially said... We still do not know the mechanics
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: of how he died, and neither does the state of Mississippi.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: To escalate the legal pressure, Crump demanded that if Mississippi
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: was unwilling to pursue the investigation until every physical anomaly
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: was explained, the Federal Department of Justice should step in
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and take over.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Furthermore, he announced an upcoming press conference in Orlando, Florida,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: specifically to discuss the phone's meta with their own retained
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: digital experts.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Which signals very clearly that the battle over the digital
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: narrative is far from over in the court of public opinion.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Not even close.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: So I look at this massive friction between the DA
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: and the legal team, and it feels like they're speaking
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: two entirely different languages.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: They really are.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: You have A legal standard of proof on one side
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: where a grand jury says there is no evidence of
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: a crime. And on the other side, you have a
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: grieving family standard of closure, which demands to know exactly,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: minute by minute, how did our son end up in
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the water?
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: How do those two standards ever reconcile? Can they?
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Often, they simply cannot. And this is the fundamental tragedy
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: of the justice system. The legal system is designed as
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: a binary machine to answer one very specific question.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Which is?
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Can the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: specific person committed a specific crime. That is all it does.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: It is not an omniscient narrator. It is not designed
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: to answer every question about how a chaotic, tragic event unfolded.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: But a family's need for closure, I mean, that requires
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: total narrative completeness. They need to understand the last moments
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: of their loved one's life.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Exactly. When the legal system says, we don't know exactly
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: what happened, but we know it wasn't a crime. It
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: leaves the family in an agonizing permanent limbo. That inherent
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: unresolvable friction is what generates the intense heat we are
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: seeing between the DA's office and Ben Crump's team.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: And while those two powerful entities are battling over the
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: macro narrative, there is a whole other group of people
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: caught in the crossfire down on the ground.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: The innocent bystanders.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, which brings us to the collateral damage of this
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: digital vacuum. We need to talk about the teenagers and
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: young adults whose lives were nearly destroyed by the Internet's
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: insatiable obsession with with finding a villain in this case.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Right. When the internet decided that the official narrative of
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: a tragic drowning wasn't satisfying enough, they mobilized. They went
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: looking for the bad guys.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: And they decided, based on nothing but speculation, that the
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: bad guys were Nolan's friends.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: The sources mentioned several young men who were intensely, viciously
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: targeted online. Warren Hudson, Jax Patalo, and Morgan Seymour were
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: all accused by thousands of strangers of having something to
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: do with Nolan's death.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Following the release of the grand jury report, their attorneys
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: came out and explicitly stated that these young men were
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: completely cleared, had always maintained their innocence, and were profoundly
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: relieved by the official findings.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: But the sources give us an incredibly deep, terrifying look
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: into the experience of one particular friend, a young man
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: named Bart Edmondson Jr.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: We have an extensive interview with Bart's attorney, Russell Latino,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: which sheds a stark clinical light on the anatomy of
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: how a false internet rumor is born, how it spreads.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: And the devastation it causes.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Let's track the anatomy of that rumor because it is wild.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: OK, so online, a massive viral theory circulated that Bart
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Edmondson Jr. was romantically linked to a young woman that
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Nolan was also talking to that day on the island. Yeah,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the Internet sleuths decided that Nolan stayed on the island
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: specifically to talk to her, which enraged Bart, creating this
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: fabricated love triangle and a motive for a violent murder.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: It sounds exactly like a plot from a teen drama
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: on a streaming service. And according to Attorney Latino, it
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: was entirely 100% fabricated out of thin air. There was
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: no love triangle. None.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: When you look at the documented physical facts of Bart's
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: actual day, as verified by the investigation, it couldn't be
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: further from the Internet's cinematic narrative. Bart wasn't even supposed
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: to be on the water that day. He wasn't part
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: of Nolan's original group. He received a call that morning
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: from a friend who was having a mechanical issue with
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: their boat. and had an overflow group of people they
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: needed to transport to the island.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: So Bart agreed to do a favor. He took his
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: 23-and-a-half-foot tagline boat out, ferrying a group of people he
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: didn't even know just to help out.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: And his involvement didn't stop there. Later in the afternoon,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: as the Trident boat that Nolan had originally traveled on
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: was preparing to leave the island, it experienced a mechanical failure.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Specifically, a bilge pump issue. Right.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: And Bart, again acting purely as a good Samaritan, went
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: over and rendered aid to that broken-down boat.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: So his entire day consisted of doing two massive favors
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: for other people. He ferried overflow passengers, and he helped
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: fix a broken bilge pump.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: That is the verifiable reality. But through the distorted algorithmic
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: lens of Internet true crime, those benign actions were twisted.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Because he was on a different boat, and because he
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: interacted with Nolan's group, the Internet cast him as a
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: criminal mastermind orchestrating a cover-up.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: And the real-world consequences of that online fantasy were severe
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: and immediate. Attorney Latino noted that the Edmondson family received
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: highly credible death threats.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Death threats.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Threats so specific and serious that they had to be
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: formally investigated by the FBI.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: You have tens of thousands of strangers sitting behind keyboards
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: who know absolutely nothing about the community, the geography, or
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: the facts, actively terrorizing a young man based on a
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: motive they invented for entertainment.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I try to put myself in Bart's shoes. The entire
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: internet decides you are a murderer. My instinct would be
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: to lock my doors, hire the biggest bulldog criminal defense
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: attorney I could find, and refuse to speak to anyone
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: without a subpoena.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: That's what most people would do.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: But how did Bart actually respond to being the target
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: of this witch hunt?
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: He did the exact opposite. According to Latino, Bart engaged
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: in extreme, radical, voluntary cooperation with law enforcement.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: He didn't hide. He sat for multiple exhaustive police interviews.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: He compiled lists of potential witnesses for law enforcement to contact.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: He voluntarily handed over his personal cell phone. He allowed
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: investigators to fully inspect his boat and pull the data
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: from his GPS navigation device. He provided requested photos and videos.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: And did he wait for them to get warrants for
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: all that?
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: No. He did all of this without requiring a single
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: warrant to be issued. and without even hiring a criminal
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: defense attorney to shield him.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: He just opened up his entire life and said, look
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: at whatever you want.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Because, as Ladino points out, he had absolutely nothing to hide.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: He knew the data would exonerate him, so he offered
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: it up freely.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: And Ladino articulated a really profound philosophical concept regarding this
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: entire ordeal. He said that when we look at the
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Nolan Wells case, there are essentially two tragedies happening simultaneously.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I really love that framing. What are the two tragedies
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: according to Latino?
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: The first tragedy is obvious, physical, and requires deep, profound mourning.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: The loss of Nolan Wells' life. It is a devastating,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: irreversible event for his family and his community. But the
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: second tragedy is a societal one. It is the tragedy
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: of how we, as a digital culture, react to these events.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: In the absence of immediate, satisfying answers in that vacuum
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: we discussed earlier, society has developed a toxic habit of
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: simply inventing evidence out of thin air to satisfy our
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: own craving for a dramatic narrative.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: We create a secondary, entirely preventable trauma by destroying the reputations,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: the safety, and the peace of mind of innocent bystanders.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Latino also pointed out a really fascinating detail about how
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: that vacuum was unintentionally created by the authorities themselves in
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: the very early hours of the case.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, how so?
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: He noted that the local sheriff, Sheriff Ledbetter, initially gave
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: a press conference where he stated it was an active
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: investigation and asked the public to call in with tips
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: rather than immediately stating they suspected an accidental drowning and
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: ruling out foul play.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Which, to be clear, is standard, highly prudent police procedure.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: You do not rule out foul play on day one
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: until you are absolutely sure you keep all your options open.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: But police terminology translates very poorly to the Internet.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to a detective, active investigation is... means we are
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: collecting data.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: But to the internet, active investigation sounds like a dog whistle.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: That means we are actively hunting a murderer. Send us
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: your theories.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah. That tiny bureaucratic gap in communication allowed the
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories to take root in the fertile soil of
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: social media.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Which forces us to zoom all the way out and
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: look at the massive systemic issue underneath all of this.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Let's look at Section 230, The Mechanics of Defamation. and
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the future of how justice can even function in this environment.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Because the terrifying question is, how do you fight back
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: when 100,000 people are lying about you on the Internet?
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: It is incredibly, almost impossibly difficult, which is exactly why
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Attorney Latino was brought in. He wasn't hired as a
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: criminal defense lawyer to keep Bart out of jail. Bart
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: was already cleared.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Right. Latino was hired specifically as a civil attorney to
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: handle the defamation fallout. And he outlined a highly aggressive,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: multi-tiered legal strategy to fight back against the mob.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Let's break down his strategy. The first tier is going
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: after the direct defamers, the people actually typing the lies.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Latino mentioned his firm was sending out pre-litigation notices. I've
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: heard that term on legal dramas, but what does it
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: actually mean in practice?
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: A pre-litigation notice is essentially a formal, legally binding warning
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: shot across the bow. It is a letter from an
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: attorney that says, we have identified you. We have documented
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: the false statements you published. You are hereby put on
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: notice that we are preparing to sue you for defamation.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: So it's basically saying, stop it. We see you. Yes.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Preserve all your records, delete the false posts, and prepare
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: for court. Latino noted they sent five of these notices
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: to individuals who spread the most egregious, damaging lies, with
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: two more on the way. The strategy is to target
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: the points of origin, the specific accounts that acted as
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: the main amplifiers of the falsehoods.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: But the massive challenge with this tier of the strategy
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: is what lawyers refer to as the judgment-proof defendant.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And this is the shield that protects so much
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: online toxicity. Defamation is a civil tort, meaning you are
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: suing for financial damages. But what happens if the person
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: who ruined your life doesn't have any money?
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Right. If the person who started the rumor that Bart
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: is a murderer is a 19-year-old living in a basement
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: with $ 30 in their checking account, or an anonymous troll
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: farm operating under a pseudonym overseas, what is the point
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: of seeing them?
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: There isn't one. You can win a $ 10 million judgment
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: in court, but you will never collect a single dime.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: It is legally and financially exhausting for the victim. When
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: tens of thousands of people are repeating a lie, you
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: cannot feasibly identify, serve, and sue every single one of them.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: The sheer volume of the mob is its own legal defense.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Latino also brought up a fascinating concept regarding the amplifier effect.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: And we want to be very clear here. We are
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: delivering this strictly as Attorney Latino stated legal claim and observation.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Yes. He argued that there was a second tier of
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: liability in these viral cases. Powerful people who send signals
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: to the masses that it is socially acceptable to engage
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: in the conspiracy theories.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Who did he mention?
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: He specifically placed former President Trump in this category regarding
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: this case. Latino claims that Trump acted irresponsibly early on
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: by spreading demonstrably false narratives about the investigation and the phone,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: essentially acting as an amplifier.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: So when a big figure speaks, everyone else feels emboldened.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Latino's argument is that when a figure with massive reach
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: signals that a conspiracy is valid, it turbocharges the damage
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: done by the smaller accounts.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Regardless of who the specific amplifiers are, Latino's third tier
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: of legal action is the most ambitious. And it targets
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: the very core architecture of the modern Internet.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: The social media platforms themselves. Right.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: He pointed his legal frustration directly at Section 230 of
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: the Communications Decency Act.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Section 230.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: OK. We hear politicians and tech CEOs arguing about this constantly.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: I know it's important, but I don't really understand how
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: it works mechanically. Let's break it down in lay terms
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: based on Latino's argument. What is Section 230 and why
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: is Latino so intensely focused on it in a case
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: about a boating accident?
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Historically, Section 230 was drafted in the mid-1990s. It was
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: designed to act as a crucial liability shield for the
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: early internet. It essentially states that an interactive computer service,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: which today means platforms like Facebook, X, YouTube, or TikTok,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: cannot be treated as the publisher or speaker of any
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: information provided by another user.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: In simple terms.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: If I write a defamatory, life-ruining lie about you on
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: a platform, you can absolutely sue me. But you generally
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: cannot sue the platform that hosted my lie.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, I get it. The logic at the time was
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: that if message boards could be sued for every crazy
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: thing a user typed, the Internet would be sued out
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: of existence before it ever got off the ground. Right.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: They are just the bulletin board. They aren't the person
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: tacking the flyer to the board. But Latino argues that
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: this shield, which made sense in 1996, has been stretched
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: and interpreted in a way that Congress never intended when
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: they wrote it.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Because modern platforms aren't just passive bulletin boards anymore.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Latino argues that modern social media algorithms fundamentally change
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: the platform's role. They don't just passively host content chronologically.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: They curate it.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Yes. The algorithms actively sort, promote, and push content based
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: on engagement. And what drives engagement? Outrage, salaciousness, and conspiracy.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Latino argues that platforms actually reward and pay creators for
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: defamatory material because it keeps users glued to their screens,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: which sells more ads.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Think about it like a newsstand. Section 230 says you
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: can't sue the newsstand owner if one of the magazines
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: they sell prints a lie. But Latina is saying the
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: algorithms act like a newsstand owner who realizes that the
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: most insane defamatory tabloids are selling the best.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: So they put them front and center?
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Right. So the owner actively hides the real boring newspapers
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: in the back, takes the defamatory tabloids, puts them right
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: at eye level, hands out megaphones to the people reading them,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: and gives the tabloid writers a cut of the profits.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: At what point is the newsstand owner no longer just
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: a passive host, but an active participant in spreading the lie?
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: That is a perfect articulation of Latino's argument. He calls
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: these platforms incubators for mass defamation. They possess the data
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: that shows the content is false and damaging, but their
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: algorithmic machinery promotes it anyway for profit.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: And because of the current interpretation of Section 230, they
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: face absolutely zero legal or financial consequences for the ruined
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: lives left in their wake.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Which is wild.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Latina is suggesting that society needs a massive legal reckoning,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: either through the Supreme Court reinterpreting the scope of the
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: law or Congress fundamentally rewriting it to hold platforms accountable
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: when their algorithms actively turbocharged the destruction of a private
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: citizen's life.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: And if we don't fix this algorithmic immunity, the threat
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: to our actual physical judicial system is terrifying. Think about
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the implications. If there are no consequences for mass, algorithmically
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: driven online lying, how can a court ever seat an
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: impartial jury in a high profile case?
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: That is the existential threat to justice that this case highlights.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: The entire foundation of the American legal system rests on
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: the Sixth Amendment, the right to a fair trial by
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: an impartial jury of your peers. But if a tragic
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: event occurs and the Internet spends six months aggressively polluting
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: the entire information ecosystem with hundreds of different highly produced
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: fabricated theories, Finding 12 local citizens who haven't been subtly
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: or overtly influenced by those lies becomes nearly impossible.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: The justice system simply cannot function if the jury pool
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: is algorithmically poisoned before the gavel even drops.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Latino highlighted that in this specific case, the diverse 22-person
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: grand jury was a miracle. They acted as a vital
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: bulwark of sanity against the digital noise.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Because they're isolated from it.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Exactly. They were pulled out of the timeline, placed inside
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: a quiet room, presented with the actual physical evidence, the subpoenas,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: the pathology, the digital forensics, away from the dopamine hits
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: of social media algorithms.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: And in that quiet room, they found the truth.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: But his point is, we can't always rely on the
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: internet not getting to the jury pool first. The contrast
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: between those two environments is jarring, and it defines the
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: modern era.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: You have the quiet, methodical, heavily regulated, logically driven space
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: of a grand jury room. versus the chaotic, unverified, deeply emotional,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: algorithmically manipulated space of a social media feed.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: The grand jury looks at the data to determine what happened.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: The internet looks at the tragedy and demands of villain.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: It really makes you reflect on the psychology of true
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: crime consumption. It reveals how our insatiable collective desire for
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: a thrilling true crime story completely overgrides our ability to
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: accept the boring, profoundly tragic reality of an accident.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: An accidental drowning of a vibrant young man is heartbreaking.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: It is sad. But it doesn't give internet sleuths a
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: puzzle to solve.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: No, it doesn't.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: It doesn't give them a bad guy to punish. It
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: doesn't make for a good 10-part TikTok series. So they
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: just invent a villain to make the story satisfying.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: And in the process of inventing that villain for their
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: own entertainment, they create a whole new set of secondary victims,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: like Bart Edmondson Jr., and they traumatize a grieving community
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: all over again. It's awful. So let's step back and
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: look at the massive journey we've just taken with you today.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: We started on the beaches of Horn Island with a devastating,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: very real tragedy. The drowning of a young man with
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: his whole life ahead of him, Nolan Wells.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: And then we waded through the meticulous physical and digital
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: evidence gathered by the state. The 132 subpoenas, the biological
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: reality of decomposition masking the toxicology, the extracted phone data
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: showing no tampering.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: All of which led a diverse grand jury to unanimously
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: clear his friends of any criminal wrongdoing. We witnessed the
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: unprecedented explosive clash between a frustrated district attorney demanding an
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: end to the rumors and a determined legal team, led
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: by Ben Crump, refusing to close the book on the
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: physical anomalies.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: And finally, we saw the terrifying collateral damage. Innocent young
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: men subjected to FBI investigations and credible death threats simply
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: because algorithmic online defamation demanded a scapegoat.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: It is a profound, incredibly alarming case study in how
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: modern communication technology has the power to completely derail the
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: traditional mechanisms of justice and short-circuit a community's ability to
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: simply grieve an accident.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Which leaves us with a question for you to seriously
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: consider about your own media consumption. The next time you
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: are scrolling through social media and you inevitably stop to
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: read a compelling, highly produced, viral true crime theory about
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: a recent tragic event, ask yourself.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Are you genuinely participating in a noble search for the truth?
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Or are you, even passively by giving it your attention
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: and algorithmic weight, participating in a system that risks the
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: destruction of innocent lives simply for our own entertainment?
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: It is a vital question for all of us. Because
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: the technology that spreads these narratives is evolving infinitely faster
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: than our ethics or our laws.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: And that leads us to one final provocative thought to
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: leave you with, circling back to our attempt to look
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: at the data while the stadium screams. Right now, as
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: technology makes it incredibly easy for millions of people to
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: simultaneously act as unregulated armchair detectives, our legal system remains
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: fundamentally built for the 18th century.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: It is slow, it is methodical, and it relies on
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: physical geographic boundaries.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: If social media algorithms remain legally shielded by Section 230
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: from the immense real-world damage they cause to innocent bystanders
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: caught in the crossfire of a viral tragedy, will we
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: eventually hit a breaking point?
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: You might have to.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: We need to create an entirely new model branch of
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: law a legal framework designed not just to prosecute the
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: guilty but specifically engineered to protect the innocent from the
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: internet's relentless algorithmically driven obsession with finding a villain it's
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: something to think about the next time the digital crowd
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: starts screaming