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8-04-26 Hour 1 - Riley Moss Mossed Sutton/Rockies active at the trade deadline/Take a chance on Taysom? · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: No, it's it's fantastic, you know to watch because look,
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  Speaker 2: there's two things that can happen.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you're either deflecting it, but.
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  Speaker 2: The ability to be able to catch it. You know,
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  Speaker 2: as a defensive back, it's tough if you don't have
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  Speaker 2: decent enough hands because they'll just throw at you.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a good play.
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  Speaker 4: Back out here live at Broncos Park Moser, Lombardi and Caine.
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  Speaker 4: friends at Ramos. Lash On Peyton talking about the defense
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  Speaker 4: which had a resurg today yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: He's talking about a play that was made late in
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  Speaker 5: practice yesterday when they were doing one versus one and
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  Speaker 5: they're going deep ball down the left sideline, and they
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  Speaker 5: did it three straight times. The first time it was
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  Speaker 5: an incompletion. The second time, Riley Moss was step first
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  Speaker 5: step with Corland Sutton and Riley stole the ball. It
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  Speaker 5: was a great interception, one of the best I've seen
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  Speaker 5: in camp so far. And then the third play, I
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  Speaker 5: mean three in a row. Pat Bryant actually juggled the
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  Speaker 5: ball away from Riley Moss and took it. So it's
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  Speaker 5: three great plays down the left sideline. I think they
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  Speaker 5: were working on the left sideline.
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  Speaker 4: That play was started by allowing the defense to jump
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  Speaker 4: off side. I think it's totally fine throwing that ball up.
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  Speaker 4: It would have been called back regardless. Bow ends up
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  Speaker 4: going with a hard count. I think it was Nick
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  Speaker 4: Benito that he got to jump off side. I don't
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  Speaker 4: exactly know what player that was, but Sean went into
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  Speaker 4: talking about that's the next step that this defense has
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  Speaker 4: to take. That was the calling card of the twenty
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  Speaker 4: fifteen defense was on any play there could have been
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  Speaker 4: a turnover. Wasn't necessarily just von Miller coming around the
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  Speaker 4: edge with the stripsack. It was the ability to force
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  Speaker 4: interceptions and we've heard Talano who finally talk about it
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  Speaker 4: basically the entire Offseason's what I ended the appetizer hour
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  Speaker 4: talking about was they got their hands on the ball
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  Speaker 4: too many times last year to have just fourteen takeaways
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  Speaker 4: that would have been tied for fourth worst in the
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  Speaker 4: league by defense.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Sean Payton doesn't always say a ton in
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  Speaker 3: these news conferences. He does what every other day something
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  Speaker 3: like that every day, but every other day that kind
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  Speaker 3: of thing. He doesn't always say a ton. But I
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  Speaker 3: thought it was kind of interesting listening to him yesterday
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  Speaker 3: discuss you know, how you get turnovers and what they teach,
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  Speaker 3: and he started talking about Lovey Smith and he started
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  Speaker 3: talking about some defenses from the late nineties and how
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  Speaker 3: they really were aggressive and going for the ball and
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  Speaker 3: how he said and if you watched them, you could
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  Speaker 3: see that it's taught on how to go get the football,
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  Speaker 3: what to do to get the football, and that sort
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  Speaker 3: of thing. So it looks like it's gonna be more
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  Speaker 3: of an emphasis this year for the Denver Broncos in
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  Speaker 3: their defense, which is you can defying defense. Man.
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  Speaker 5: You can teach it all you want, you can emphasize
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  Speaker 5: is all you want. You gotta have the players to
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  Speaker 5: pull it off. I mean, if you can't put pressure
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  Speaker 5: on the quarterback and then have the dbs that can
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  Speaker 5: catch the ball, I mean, hey, I'll say one thing
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  Speaker 5: about Hufunga. He had a great season. Can't catch the ball,
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  Speaker 5: can't catch the ball, and that he might. I think
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  Speaker 5: he had four or five that were right in his
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  Speaker 5: arms last year. So you can try to coach it.
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  Speaker 5: But either you have that or you don't.
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  Speaker 4: He was talking about those Lovey Smith defenses in the
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  Speaker 4: mid two thousands with Chicago, and I went into Pena
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  Speaker 4: Tillman and his ability to punch the ball out. It
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  Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily have to be interceptions. It is just forcing
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  Speaker 4: turnovers any which way. Like the fact that they went
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  Speaker 4: fourteen and three last year and they went eleven to
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  Speaker 4: two and one score games with being a negative turnover
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  Speaker 4: differential team is it's a miracle.
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  Speaker 3: We talk about the anomaly of it. That's the anomaly.
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  Speaker 3: It's an absolute miracle. I mean, I think we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: look bat some time. You know, people like their stats,
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  Speaker 3: and these stats prove this, and stats prove that in
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  Speaker 3: stat's stat I think we're gonna look back on that
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  Speaker 3: season and go, geez, Louise, what a statistical anomaly type
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  Speaker 3: of year in every kind of way, Because if you
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  Speaker 3: don't win the turnover battle RAJ on any given week,
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna lose the game. If you don't win the
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  Speaker 3: turnover battle in the season, you're not gonna be a
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  Speaker 3: high quality, high caliber, winning football team. Well, the Denver
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  Speaker 3: Broncos proved all that wrong last year, but that was
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  Speaker 3: an anomaly.
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  Speaker 5: You talk about anomaly. This Colorado weather is something else.
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  Speaker 5: Yesterday it was I mean suffocating here. It was so hot.
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  Speaker 5: The day later, I'm wearing a jacket and Roger wishes
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  Speaker 5: he had sweatpants.
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  Speaker 4: Guys, you can't see below the table right now, do
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  Speaker 4: you see? I got goosebumps. You feel my leg right now?
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  Speaker 4: It's chill, dude, it's chill out here.
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  Speaker 5: I got like stipple grip on my legs right now.
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  Speaker 5: This is ridiculous. This is also preferable. You'd rather have
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  Speaker 5: this than yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: Yesterday was heavy, Oh yeah, with the with the smoke,
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  Speaker 4: it was brutal. Yeah, it's funny. You would you would
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  Speaker 4: have rather today have been like the heavily padded practice.
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  Speaker 5: Correct, Well, sure, but you know it is. You know
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  Speaker 5: you can't you can't expect to change that quickly.
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  Speaker 3: Only in Colorado.
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  Speaker 5: I was interviewing Zach Allen after practice saw that, and
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  Speaker 5: the smoke was so intense from all the wildfires. We
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  Speaker 5: had to stop the interview twice because he started coughing,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, you're done with practice. You're trying to
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  Speaker 5: breathe hard and trying to catch your breath, and the
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  Speaker 5: dude was losing as I thought he was moser for
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  Speaker 5: a second, having one of those allergic reactions. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 5: start coughing it up. Yeah, I'll tell you to just
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  Speaker 5: leave the studio. It's the drip.
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  Speaker 3: It's the drip that gets going with the But that's
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  Speaker 3: that's your smoke getting in the back of your throat
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  Speaker 3: and killing you.
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  Speaker 4: I wonder if that's the reason, or at least part
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  Speaker 4: of the reason why yesterday's practice was so fast, Like
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  Speaker 4: that thing was over in fifty minutes great, maybe an
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  Speaker 4: hour at the very most, in and out.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't as.
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  Speaker 4: Heavy hitting for a fully padded practice as we expected,
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  Speaker 4: but it did feel like it was part of this
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  Speaker 4: ramp up period that they're just getting ready for what
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  Speaker 4: feels to be the marquee day of practice, and that
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  Speaker 4: would be tomorrow, when they expect to have two and
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  Speaker 4: a half hours back in full pads, and it's gonna
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  Speaker 4: be the last full day before Sean Payton gets ready
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  Speaker 4: to leave for Canton. He's gone on Saturday. We expect
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  Speaker 4: Vans Joseph to kind of run that practice. But Wednesday
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  Speaker 4: will be the day that if if you didn't feel
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  Speaker 4: like he got enough football yesterday, it's gonna be Wednesday.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of walkthrough today. I'm hoping here to get
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  Speaker 4: some one on ones.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: We saw one on the ones between pass rushers and
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  Speaker 4: offensive lineman yesterday. I want to see some one on
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  Speaker 4: ones between Jalen Wattle and Courtland Sutton and Waddle and
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  Speaker 4: Riley Moss today.
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  Speaker 5: You know, they were wearing pads yesterday, but there was
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  Speaker 5: no hitting. They're not even hard this camp. There's nothing,
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  Speaker 5: there's nothing fissile. They don't get physical in this camp.
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  Speaker 5: They just haven't seen it in a long time.
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  Speaker 3: So it's funny. We were how many years ago was
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  Speaker 3: it when the lines were on hard knocks. It's a
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  Speaker 3: couple of years ago, okay, yeah, And it was probably
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  Speaker 3: like three years ago, maybe four something like that. But
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  Speaker 3: I remember they weren't hitting then either. There's just no
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  Speaker 3: hitting in modern camps except the Detroit Lions on day
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  Speaker 3: number one of their training camparage obviously, and then the
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  Speaker 3: you know, the the episode comes out later. I'm like, golly,
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  Speaker 3: there was more hitting in the first three minutes of
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  Speaker 3: hard knocks than I've seen all camp for the Denver Broncos.
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  Speaker 3: And I understand it. It's the modern NFL. The probably
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  Speaker 3: the price of players is exorbitant. They're assets. You don't
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  Speaker 3: even want to chance or risk anybody getting anything torn
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  Speaker 3: or broken on a tackle in practice. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: you got to start ramping up somehow, And yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: guess when you're wearing the pads, you get that mentality
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  Speaker 3: and you start to to move it just a little
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  Speaker 3: bit and guys will tap each other, they'll they'll they'll
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  Speaker 3: bump into each other, but there's no real hitting. There
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  Speaker 3: was a little bit yesterday. So JK.
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  Speaker 4: Dobbins got shut from behind yesterday on Luke first eleven
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  Speaker 4: eleven pros and.
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  Speaker 5: Luke Wattenberg got banged up the center holding his right arm. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: he got banged up a little bit in one of
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  Speaker 5: those sessions. And I don't know where he sits. I
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  Speaker 5: think uh Coach Payton yesterday said he's gonna be fine,
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  Speaker 5: just a little banged up. So those are the things
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  Speaker 5: that happening camp. You fallow the wrong way. It's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 4: They weren't concerned about Luke Wattenberg league leaving practice yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: But if you're gonna, honestly, if this team is going
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  Speaker 4: to sustain an injury anywhere, it's either offensive line or
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  Speaker 4: to the defensive backfield, those are where you are the deepest,
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  Speaker 4: one of the deepest teams in the NFL in terms
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  Speaker 4: of that defensive backfield. Sean Payton would also go on
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  Speaker 4: to talk about Jade Baron and dispel the rumors that
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  Speaker 4: they have moved him to safety or that they are
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  Speaker 4: moving him.
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  Speaker 3: To see sity dime and nickel corner. That's what he is.
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  Speaker 4: I think they're playing the long game with him. Like
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  Speaker 4: right now, utilizing the number twenty pick on Jade Baron
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  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five looks like a disaster because well,
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  Speaker 4: he doesn't play enough as a premium draft pick. But
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  Speaker 4: I went into their multi year cap table. Man, they
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  Speaker 4: don't have any space next year. It's the reason why
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  Speaker 4: they're holding thirty million dollars right now and trying to
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  Speaker 4: roll it over into next season. I don't think that
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  Speaker 4: they can afford Riley Moss and I firmly believe that
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  Speaker 4: going into year three of Jade Baron. He will be
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  Speaker 4: the opposite corner on the other side of the field.
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  Speaker 3: For well, well, we'll see. He's got to earn it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we'll see. And maybe they're holding him in
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  Speaker 3: reserve and they're just grooming him and moving him along.
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  Speaker 3: That's fine. I don't know. To me, if he could play,
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  Speaker 3: golly man, I guess I'd like to to see him
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  Speaker 3: play and then move an asset to get more assets
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  Speaker 3: where you think you need them, to be honest with you,
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  Speaker 3: But either way, I mean, we'll see exactly you know
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  Speaker 3: how good this kid can be.
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  Speaker 4: The only way to the only way to move that
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  Speaker 4: asset though, would be like you trade Riley Mawson. You
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  Speaker 4: don't have him this year, right, it's a super if
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  Speaker 4: that was like Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: Or bust, would you trade talent? You can't.
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  Speaker 4: I think you have to walk Riley up until his
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  Speaker 4: free agency season and go thank you for your time.
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  Speaker 4: We appreciate you, but we can't afford to pay you
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  Speaker 4: fifteen to twenty million dollars.
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  Speaker 3: Not only that, but you've got the quarterback on the
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  Speaker 3: horizon too, and you've got a plan for that. You're
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  Speaker 3: going to have to plan for the quarterback too. Just
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  Speaker 3: the way it's sixty million dollars, call it. I oh,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna be sitting here in four years and goo hey,
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  Speaker 3: a guy just signed for seventy one million bucks per year. Works.
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  Speaker 3: That's insanity, presum b. John Robinson just did the highest
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  Speaker 3: paid running back in the NFL.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw that three years, seventy five million dollars.
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  Speaker 3: And that's for a position that's not supposed to be that.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you're not supposed to have big money at
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  Speaker 5: that position anymore. So where's the value at running back? Well,
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  Speaker 5: Jon Robinson showed you value. That's because he's more than.
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  Speaker 3: A running back. He can do a little bit of everything.
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  Speaker 4: Right, He's more of the I wouldn't say he is
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  Speaker 4: a Christian McCaffrey, but he's in that Christian McCaffrey role
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  Speaker 4: in that mold, rather than the Derrick Henry's of the
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  Speaker 4: world where you're getting a whole bunch of touches out
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  Speaker 4: of the backfield in terms of just toting the rock.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's where the value is for running back
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  Speaker 4: is if you're one of the top five dudes in
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  Speaker 4: the league, you're getting paid like crazy.
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  Speaker 3: He had fifteen hundred yards essentially last year carrying the football,
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  Speaker 3: and then of course he can he can catch the
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  Speaker 3: football too. I'm thinking back to Derrick Henry in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 3: He had over two thousand yards, the last guy to
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  Speaker 3: do it. When is the next two thousand yard season
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  Speaker 3: out of a running back or are we going to
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  Speaker 3: see those anymore? With the deployment of two three backs
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  Speaker 3: per year.
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  Speaker 5: It's not gonna be here because it is a stable
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  Speaker 5: of backs here. So it's gonna have to be one
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  Speaker 5: of those places that.
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  Speaker 3: And then that guy's has to be That guy has
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  Speaker 3: to be really talented too, and you gotta give him
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  Speaker 3: the rock all the time. Talented and durable. Heavy on
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  Speaker 3: the dur right, heavy on the durability.
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  Speaker 4: Fifty one million dollars guaranteed for Beejeon Robinson. It doesn't
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  Speaker 4: surpass what Jeremiah Love has guaranteed at fifty three million dollars.
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  Speaker 5: That's a rookie which is carried in insanity that Jeremiah
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  Speaker 5: Love is guaranteed fifty three million dollars.
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  Speaker 3: And has it.
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  Speaker 4: He's Jeremiah Love isn't even running back number one in
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  Speaker 4: Arizona camp right now.
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  Speaker 3: They're given that to Tyler Algier. Yeah, he'll be there.
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  Speaker 3: That's pretty crazy. Hey be the guy. I will say
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  Speaker 3: this though, Uh, if that's what Bijon got, what is
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  Speaker 3: Jamiir Gibbs gonna get? Because he's he has a hold
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  Speaker 3: in right now. Holdout is old school raj hold out
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  Speaker 3: where you're you know, you're you're Dak Prescott and you're
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  Speaker 3: hanging out in can coon until you get a brand
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  Speaker 3: new deal. Or you're who's that running back the Cowboys
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  Speaker 3: running back that uh, the little running back that held
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  Speaker 3: out forever Ezekiel Elliott. Yes can't, you don't in my mind.
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  Speaker 3: But but the hold out where you're someplace else and
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  Speaker 3: working out on your own is old school. Now it's
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  Speaker 3: hold in. You're at camp so you don't get fine,
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  Speaker 3: but you ain't stepping foot on the field, just walking
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  Speaker 3: around and hitting the gym. You're not so Jamir Gibbs
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  Speaker 3: right now, Bijeon was a hold in. This Jamir Gibbs
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  Speaker 3: situation is also a hold in situation. He's got to
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  Speaker 3: be thinking to himself, I'm probably not gonna get Bijon money,
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  Speaker 3: but I can get close and that's a lot of money.
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  Speaker 4: Taking into account the money situation here, and how much
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  Speaker 4: of your cap you're spending on a running back. Do
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  Speaker 4: you guys find yourselves missing wanting a running back of
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  Speaker 4: Bijon Robinson's caliber, of Jeremiah Love's caliber. Con everybody wants
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  Speaker 4: well considering what comes with it in terms of money,
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  Speaker 4: I mean.
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  Speaker 5: If you have production at that position, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 5: it's gonna be expensive.
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  Speaker 3: That's any position.
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  Speaker 5: If you have a tight end that can do a lot,
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  Speaker 5: it's going to be expensive. It just it depends on
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  Speaker 5: where you put your money on your team. So of
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  Speaker 5: course you would want that. That means you have a
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  Speaker 5: good player at that position. Who wouldn't want a good
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  Speaker 5: player at that position.
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  Speaker 4: At twenty million dollars against the cap?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, but you want fifty.
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  Speaker 4: Dollars a position that gets injured off.
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  Speaker 3: Kay, And that's where you and I agree.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's a risk at that position because if
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  Speaker 5: he goes down, then then what Then you're screwed. So
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  Speaker 5: maybe the approach is by committee the way the Broncos
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  Speaker 5: are handling that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh you know what, hey, by the way, Squon ran
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  Speaker 3: for somebody's reminding me he ran for two thousand just
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  Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. Saquon did remember in an
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  Speaker 3: Eagles uniform? First, you're in an Eagles uniform, right, I
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  Speaker 3: just can't take you seriously wearing sunglasses.
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  Speaker 4: You really got to take him off.
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  Speaker 3: This is not if the sun was out. If they say.
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  Speaker 4: Beaming at us, now, this is like it literally can't
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  Speaker 4: happen scientifically. But if it was beaming at us, I
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  Speaker 4: would be wearing sunglasses with you. But it's sixty seven
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  Speaker 4: degrees and partly cloudy out there ain't no sun.
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  Speaker 3: He just threw his ray bans. Are those prescription? They are? Oh? No?
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  Speaker 3: Are these progressives? Yeah? I wear them so I can see,
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  Speaker 3: not because I'm trying to look fancy when you go in.
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  Speaker 3: Otherwise otherwise I can't. I can't thank you. I mean
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  Speaker 3: I can. I can go to the car and get
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  Speaker 3: my reading glasses. But otherwise, no, those are prescription. It's allowed.
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  Speaker 3: I can't wear them. Otherwise I can't. I'm not quite there.
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  Speaker 3: So here's here's that with these out, I can't read.
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  Speaker 3: I know this sounds crazy. I can. I know that's
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  Speaker 3: a Coca Cola symbol, and I know it's his ticketmaster
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  Speaker 3: over there, but I can't read. You see what's his
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  Speaker 3: Broncos park. Right here, I see a Ford thing. I
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  Speaker 3: can't read anything else besides that. Can you read this?
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  Speaker 3: I can't? Yeah, I read that. Well, now these on
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  Speaker 3: I can see what it says. So much more spirit
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  Speaker 3: for you guys, his part, you know, powered by common spirit.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: I can see, I can see all that. It's violent.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: He just threw him.
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: We're gonna have Drew Goodman on at eight forty five,
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: Adam Schefter at nine to twenty. MLB's trade deadline is
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: coming gone. The Rockies, well, they largely sat out. Was
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: that a swing and a miss? We'll tell you about it.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: Moves, we'll talk about it next. How emotional was it
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: talking to Kyle today? Yeah, that one's a tough one.
• 15:29
  Speaker 6: You know I met I met Kyle when he was
• 15:31
  Speaker 6: drafting twenty fourteen, so it's been.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: Twelve thirteen years together.
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: I just always see him as my oldest brother, you know,
• 15:41
  Speaker 6: like my gringo brother. And we've been together for twelve years.
• 15:46
  Speaker 6: Good bad season. We debut back to back days. That
• 15:51
  Speaker 6: is crazy too. That's nice, you know, Like, what's super emotional?
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: I's all him yesterday. If I can and trade tomorrow.
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: That was a good game to remember. I'm, you know,
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: like he's a spatial He's my dog.
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: Major League Baseball's trade deadline has come and gone. Yes,
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: there is a pending and ensuing lockout next year. As
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: the Dodgers make the biggest splash. They get Trek Scuball
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: from the Detroit Tigers, but Antonio Senzateela, Victor Vodnik, Brenton Doyle,
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: and Seth Halverson sent away via trade. Mickey Moniac stays,
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: Hunter Goodman stays, even though there was a massive catcher
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: deal made between Baltimore and the Boston Red Sox, with
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: former number one overall pick Adleie Rutchman going to the Bosox,
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: to the hottest team in Major League Baseball.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: And my question to you guys, did the Rockies do enough?
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: Well, first of all, you two are my gringo brothers
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: as well. I love that line. They did what they did. Yeah,
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: you mentioned they dipped their toe. I thought they dip
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: their entire leg in the water. They made four trades.
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's easy to say trade everybody. It's easy
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: to say they left a lot on the table. But
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: how many teams in the league had four trades yesterday?
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: The Rockies did?
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: They sent four guys. They turned four guys into eight prospects, right,
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: So I.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: It was like the Mets, Rockies and Giants.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and I wonder we're gonna talk to
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: Drew Goodman. What time is Drew Goodman gonna join us?
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Eight forty five? Okay?
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: I wondered the impending workstoppage if it had anything to
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: do with the quiet trade deadline.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: I wonder if teams are just like, eh, screw it.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: That's a great question. I don't know what. I don't
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: know what the mindset of these gms is, like they
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: don't want to. I mean, they're not gonna be paying
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: players anyway in the offseason, so it should be business
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: as usual. It should be. But these deals again, Brenton Doyle,
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: whom I like, I mean, the guys won.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: What a couple of gold gloves, right. I thought that
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: was a smart move. That opens it up now for
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: Cole Krrig and center field. That opens it up for
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: some of those younger guys to make you know, listen,
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: if Bren Doyle could hit this year, Bren Doyle will
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: be a Rocky Well.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Two years ago, two years ago, Breton Doyle was a
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: terrific player. I mean, look, stop, Tinton, I gotta I
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: gotta get over in modern Moses. Modern Moses has got
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: to come to grips with reality. When guys now are
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: hitting like two sixty, two sixty five, that's hitting three hundred, Brothers,
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: it's pretty decent, right, And I'm like, damn, I mean
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: in my day, if you if you know, if you
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: wanted to be a good hitter at three hundred his minimum, right,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, these guys are hitting three ten, three fifteen.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Some guys would dance around three thirty eight, that kind
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: of thing. But he hit two sixty two years ago,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: and that he's gone. He went into the two thirties
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: last year, and this year he's hitting two fourteen. Right,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: it's just above them in Doza line, I don't know
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: how much he weighs, but you're talking about a guy
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: hitting his weight, but his glove is still really really good.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: So yeah, move him onto the socks it sucks, that is,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: and and get some prospects or a couple prospects back
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: in return.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: It made sense to move on from a glove first
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: outfielder when you have enough glove. In terms of Jake McCarthy,
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: who is also so top ten guy, in the league
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: in terms of on base percentage and has been for
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: the majority of the.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: See he's got to play some of these kids down
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: the streets.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: Look at how many have so much of their talent,
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: so much of their young talent in the organization right now,
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: you know, on the right side of thirty with like
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: McCarthy and monioc and Jordan Beck and Cole Carrig. All
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: of these guys are outfielders. All these guys can play
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: all three outfield positions. It makes sense to move on
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: from Brenton Doyle. But the big question was would you
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: move on from from Hunter Goodman, who might have been
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: the sexiest non pitching pros, or rather trade ship at
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: the deadline. The Red Sox end up getting Adlee Rushman,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: but you don't jump in on the catcher market. What
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: they get for Rushman they got four different prospects, including
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: Boston's number one overall prospects.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: So well, did I wonder if Boston didn't engage or
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: the Rockies didn't engage. Either way, they got something. They
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: got eight prospects for four players. Not only did they
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: not trade Moniac actually resign Moniac, they extended him.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: To a new contract. District. I thought it was he's
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: in their plans. I thought it was interesting again when
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: they said, hey, look, it would have to be a
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: trade that would blow the Rockies away. Well, I don't
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: know what blowing the Rockies away is to move Hunter Goodman.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: I'm happy that he's here. I mean, he's got thirty
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: three dongs. He's a reason people go to the ballpark
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: and watch because he could be hitting bombs underny given night,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: because they seem to come in bunches. I mean, he'll
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: let two bombs in a game and you're going, wow,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: this is great. There were a few teams that were
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: in on the catching market. Obviously Boston was one of them.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Tampa Bay, who they lost to yesterday, was another team
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: that could have added at catcher, but Tampa's not really
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: a team to swing really big at the deadline. The
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: other one is it's the New York Yankees, and they
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: have been. They've made a whole bunch of trades with
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: the Yankees in recent years. I have a feeling the
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: ask for Goodman probably revolved around New York's number one
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: prospect in George Lombard Junior, who they're calling up today,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: and New York wasn't having that conversation with anyone. So
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: if the Rockies and Paul de Podesta were having those
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: conversations of like, you give us your number one prospect
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: or multiple top ten prospects and we will ship out
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: a guy with three years of team control will do it,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: I just don't think the teams that they were on
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: the dance floor with were willing to bite on them. Yeah,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you're right about that. And and and again, Vic,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: if if you need to be have something, be over
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: the moon to move him. I'm okay with that too,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: because he's a guy that I like and a guy
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: that I think that if they're if they're serious about
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: building this club the right way, and I don't know
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: how long it's gonna take or what they're you know,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: they're uh Jesus God, I don't know how long they're there.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Their rope is, but he's part of it.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: He can rip the ball, Guys, he's second in the
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: league in home runs at a catcher. He can rip
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: the ball.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Doesn't grow on trees. That record stole for or has
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: stood for fifty six years.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: What's interesting is they acquired two shortstops yesterday in these
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: deals and I'm thinking to myself, you know, Zeke, we
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: all love Tovar, do we not. I'm thinking, you know,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: he's not he's not hitting very well himself. Now I'm thinking,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: are they looking for the future here or is it
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: just a coincidence in these deals. I think you just
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: take a highly rated prospect because it's an asset, not
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: necessarily that you're looking to the future to replace, you know,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: that position. But I thought it was interesting a couple
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: of shorties come back and yeah, we'll see, we'll see.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know how they're gonna stack up in the system.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: By the way, I watched a little bit of yesterday's game.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: You're Lorenzen has had a he's been awful means to jump.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: His best pitching happened in the World Baseball Classic for
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: Team Italy, and then after that it's been all downhill.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: He hasn't been able to throw at this level. He
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: hasn't been Chicano's the only guy. Of the guys he
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: acquired in the offseason, he's been a stunt. Sagano's been
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: a stunt. These other guys, man.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: They're just there. Yeah, Lorenzen got ripped his erras hovering
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: around seven. The Rays are a first place team. I mean,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: they're really good, but they absolutely pasted him. Every time
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I look at Lorenza, though, I'm like, I always think
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: to myself, how much is that guy bench press? Because
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: that guy is That guy's yoked, man, that guy's jacked.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: I wonder if some of the the rest of the
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: league not making these like massive swings at the deadline
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: because they were, you know, like Mason Miller doesn't go anywhere,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: and that was the talk of the town for the
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: better part of Like the Padres.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: The Padres are digging in. They added two starters. They
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: figure they can make up the room. They want to
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: just get in. If they get in the show, they
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: can make some noise.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Do you wonder if a lot of the league looked
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: at the Dodger situation and went, yeah, what's the point?
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know what, though you could say that,
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: but we last year, for example, the Dodgers, they're at
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: the brink. Remember they were at the brink in San Diego.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys remember that in that series.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: San Diego had a chance to wrap up the series
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: and couldn't do it.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: They were a ground rule double away. So from losing
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: the World Series. You are right, yeah, what happened?
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: What do they do? The ball got caught underneath the No, no,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: I'm saying what, but what what eventually happened? They won
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: the World I'm okay. I'm listening to Dan Patrick talk
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: the other day about about the Scoobal trade, and you know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, you know, this could be the thing
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: that you know, puts baseball over the edge and this
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: kind of thing. And then he started to get into well,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: you know last year in the World Series, I mean,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: the Dodgers went said they got taken a seven games
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: by the Jays and all, and I'm like, yeah, but
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: they won. I mean, but they but they did win. Yeah,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: they got taken seven games, but they did win. Yeah,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: they were they were this close. But you know what
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: they did. They won because you give when you have
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: an all Star team as a team and you have
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: a rotation with a payroll that would be eighteenth best
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: in Major League Baseball overall, you tend to squeak out
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: the ones that are close. Now, you can come close
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: to losing, and teams can get hot, and I dig
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: all of that, but the fact of the matter is
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: they won. That's like saying, you know, you have these
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl champion teams that can spend more money than
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: everybody else. Let's say there's no salary cap. Well, you
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: know they were a missfield goal away, okay, but or
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: made field goal away, but they still won. VIC.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Did you see the latest from Mark Stein around Peyton Watson?
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: The nuggets, the numbers that are being thrown around sixteen
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: to eighteen million dollars annually. Is there a chance that
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Denver can actually sign Peyton Watson to a long term
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: extension that number?
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Explain what he said a little more thoroughly.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: He estimates that the offers coming in for Peyton Watson
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: from other teams were sixteen to eighteen million.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Dollars per annum.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: Correct, Yes, okay, that's because it's gonna cost other teams
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: some assets to get him. That number would be different
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: if he were an unrestricted free agent. I think that
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: number would go up.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: And frankly, I'm not sure if those numbers are indeed true,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: that those are numbers that he throws out there. If
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: it is true, if it's sixteen to eighteen, it's.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: No no brainer, then you try to sign him here.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: But he may be like and I think his clutch
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: sports representatives. Okay, well that's not the number we think
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: he's worth. Let's go ahead and take the qualifying offer.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: Play a season at six point five, you know, roll
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: the dice and see if we can produce the same
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: type of performance we had the year before in that month.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: That's the thing. One month, he's gonna do it for
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: six months.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: What's the amount of games that Peyton Watson needs to
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: play this year in order for that bet to pay out.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Of the majority of the season. Yeah, he's gotta.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: Play the majority fifty enough. I mean, I don't know
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: the number you want to put on it, but he's
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: gotta play the majority of the season if he's gonna
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: roll that die. If I'm the Nuggets, I try at
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: this point maybe to fashion.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: A deal to make both sides happy. And this is
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: what it would do. If Payton Watson thinks he's worth
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: more than sixteen to eighteen. It's very clear that his
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: camp does obviously. Okay, how about a short term two
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: year in that range. Bridget a bridge deal. Let's see
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: what you can do with this money. We're gonna up
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: the any for you. We're gonna double more than double you.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: So we're gonna triple your salary for two years. See
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: if you can play on.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: It for two seasons, and at that point you'll only
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: be twenty five years old. Hell, you'll be entering your prime.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: Then you make the big bucks, right or if he
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: chooses to go qualifying offer, that's a big risk.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a risk for both though, because if he
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: does have a good year, he can just go UFA
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: and go wherever he wants. But if he doesn't, then
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: he's probably gonna be bitter anyway. Look, if he takes
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: the qualifying offer, my thought is he's probably gonna be
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: gone no matter what. That's my thought. What worries me
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: about a qualifying offer? And Vick, if you would like to,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: if you would like to talk me down, I'm here
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: for it. I'm more than you know, more than accepting
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: of that. If he takes the qualifying offer, are we
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: ever going to get to a point in this season? Well,
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: they're not using me as much, you know, They're not
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: allowing me to show what I can do. They're not.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, what I don't want is to is the
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: squeaky wheel syndrome. I would not be able to handle
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: that where Hey, look, okay, I'll take your qualifying offer
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: and I'll try. You know, I'll play the best I
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: possibly can, but you gotta use me. I'm sure he
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: wants to be in the starting lineup. I'm but he's
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: still a bench guy. With the way the lineup looks
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: right now, he's still a bench guy. Not that there's
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: not room for him to get plenty of minutes, especially
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: with the lingering injuries to other people. I'm just saying, man,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: I don't want to get into a They're not playing
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: me enough. I'm pouting. I'm not happy because I'm trying
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: to earn a lot in the UFA.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: The number one rule of any locker room is minimize
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: the complaints, right. You don't want angry players. You don't
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: want guys who are just not not totally satisfied with
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: their playing time or their contract. And that would be
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: a tough one to navigate, to be honest with you,
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: because he knows.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: He's worth more.
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: They know he's worth more, but they're locked into it
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: right now and they can't do much. That's why that
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: bridge offer. If i'm the Nuggets, figure out a way
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: to give him that bridge offer for two years. If
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: you do that, you're still gonna have to move somebody, though, Fellas,
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: somebody's gonna have to go, right, You're moving a starter.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: Somebody's gonna have to go because you're not gonna pay
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: him that money and not start him.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: You're not. So it's Cam Johnson or it's Christian Brown
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: going Aaron.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, everybody's on the table. I mean, I don't
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: think anybody's off the table. If you couldn't move those deals.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: We've talked about this before. It's easier said than done.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: I had this conversation with Britt Kine last week. He said, well,
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: just trade Cam. What if Cam is not easily tradeable?
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's easy to say, dump that money, but
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: what if the return for Cam isn't necessarily What if
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: you're gonna trade Cam and salary dump it?
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: You have to get some picks, don't you. You have
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: to You have to.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: The easy thing about Cam is that it's an expiring contract.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Do we know how valuable those are in the NBA.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: That's the reason why I think the Cam situation is easy.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: I think you would end up having to take on
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: water if the trade is Christian Brown, if the trade
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: is Aaron Gordon, dare I say if the trade would
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: be a Jamal Murray type of thing.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: But even for Cam who carries what twenty three million
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: on his cap hit? Even for Cam, how many teams
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: out there absorb that?
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Right now? The sec million?
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: Right now, their rosters are set, they have to send
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: something back. And if they send something back, how much
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: can the Nuggets absorb they want to get out of
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: the apron. It's a much more complicated situation that people
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: give it credit for. You can't just say, hey, take
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: Cam and then we'll take three picks.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: How many teams can take Cam? There aren't many. There
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: really aren't many, hardly any teams that can actually take him.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: So I mean, and that's where the situation lies right now.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: This is where this is where the three way comes in.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: This is where the three way deal. You know, you
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: start to get creative with teams who you know have
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: some room, but they don't have that kind of room,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: and then you start to move it around a little bit,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: and then you get a picked from this team and
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: a pick from that team. That's where that's where that
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: comes into play.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: One thing I do like about Cam Johnson, you know,
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: watching his podcast, he still does he produces his podcast.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: At least he's he's very adult about this. He knows
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: it's a business, and he knows that his name is
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: out there, and he knows that trade offers are on
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: the table for him, and he understands that this is
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: part of the deal.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: This is what you walk into.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: He's not taking offense, he's not being insulted, he's not
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: sending these these weird Instagram videos.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: He understands where he is. This is what it is
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: right now. So you could talk about Cam being trade bait,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: because he knows he's trade bait. He's not dumb. The
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: five nine oh three says, I don't know mos is
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: he a bench guy or is Christian Brown actually a
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: bench guy getting paid starter money? Well, pe Watt wouldn't
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: play that spot anyway. But the fact of the matter is,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: if things stay the way they are at this moment,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: there's no room at the end for him. So he's
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: either he's either gonna be an ag spot or he's
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: gonna be a camp spot. That's where he plays. That's
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: his role on Ideally to me, he would be in
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: the Cam Johnson spot. So yeah, if he's going to
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: be a starter, one of those guys has to go.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: That's just simply it. And one of those guys has
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: to go anyway because you cannot be in the second aprin.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: That's assuming and sign him to a damn deal worth
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: sixteen to eighteen million.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Per Ensuring that a locker room does not from period,
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: does not break, ensuring that you do not have players
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: inside that room that are unhappy with where they are.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: It's something that the guy who's about to walk out
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: those orange doors in front of us in about an
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: hour from right now, his first year's in Denver, he
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: got rid of those players. You can look no further
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: than the Jerry Judy trade.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: Pet peeve of mine. I've heard you say this couple
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: of times. You said, in about an hour from right now.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. All you have to do is say in
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: about an hour. The assumption is it's from right now.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: It's not an hour from an hour ago or an
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: hour from there. You know what my pet peeve is.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: I know, but from now on, don't say an hour
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: from right now. I do a lot of that too,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: but I've noticed it. Oh, I can fix that, thank you.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: I can fix that.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: My pet peeve is, in my personal opinion as opposed
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: to in your opinion of vix In Jesse at your heels,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: I want to talk about possibly bringing in another player
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: when it upset the Apple cart.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Do the Broncos need to go out and get Taysom Hill?
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Are we gonna do that? In three minutes from right now,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: at this very minute, I'm gonna throw my microphone. That's next.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Judging by the smiless food and on his face, there's
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: nothing I can do.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: Just a few l fellas here at Broncos Park powered
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: by Common Spirit Trading Camp coverage on altitude ninety two five.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: It's funny because Vic every every couple of years gets
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: fixated on an artist, or he gets fixated on a song,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: and and and that's all he listens to. He'll listen
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: to the He'll listen to Ella Langley NonStop. Right, That's
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: what he does, man, And he loves this song. He
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: was looking up the lyrics to be able to sing
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: that all I know you don't you're a terrible word.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: I was trying to fist bump him because I'm fixating
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: on l A two. But give him, give him some Okay, Well,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: here's a lot of moments past. I heard You're cold.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I mean you're I'm plaining about the cold mine. I thought,
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: freeze right, where have those hands been? Maybe that's why
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: he doesn't want a fistpack.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: You got sit in my hands for the rest of
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: the day. Fellas I teased it going into the break.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: Taysom Hill a free agent no longer in New Orleans.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: He turns thirty six years old in about nineteen days.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Would you take the chance of bringing him into the
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: tight end slash running back slash backup quarterback room?
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: What could he do?
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: I have no idea, but Sean Payton didn't shoot the
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: idea down immediately, and I thought that was telling trying
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: to find a god damn joker.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: I just don't know what the need is anymore. I
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: value the player. I know what he did for them
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: in New Orleans. He's coming off a major knee surgery,
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: he's older. What would he do here? What role would
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: he play here? Whose job would he take here? Because
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: the tight end room is ripen off. They got so
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: many damn players in there, someone's gonna.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Lose his job.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: Well it's crowded, yes, not right. Well, there's too many
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: players in the room and not enough talent. I guess
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: you could say, I don't want to say that because
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: Adam Troutman is gonna hear. We're gonna hear from him.
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: He spoke yesterday. The point is whose job would he take?
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: Who's Taysom Hills? Well, but that's the thing about Taysom Hill.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: There's not really a job for him. There's not one
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: single job. He moves around and does different things because
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: he can do different things. Look, I guess I would say,
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: how valuable is every single roster spot now in the
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: National Football League?
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: The answer is very, very valuable. Coaches, man, it kills
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: them to have to whittle it down, to be honest
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: with you. And then even active is on game day,
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: so he would have to They would have to design
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: things not worth it to let me make the judgment. Now,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: I vote nay. Well, he played thirteen games last year.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: I vot blew his knee out two years ago. I
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: vote nay, because enough enough of the New Orleans is
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: this is Denver, you know who.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: I don't want him to turn into little Jordan Humphrey,
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: who's just like on the roster because he and Sean
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Payton love each other somehow and LJ plays special teams
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: and that's it.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: It's funny because Peyton, as you were talking about one
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: hour from right, one hour would you say'd you say
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: it one hour from right? Hey?
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: No, I'm not saying it anymore. Okay, Well I can
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: take coaching. Ron said in about eighty minutes from fifteen
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: minutes from now, Chefter will be on the air exactly hard.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: You're Adam Schefter at nine to twenty Drew Goodman at
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: eight forty five today. No, but it's Sean cleared out
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: all that old regime stuff, right, gotting a gun. But
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: he likes to he likes to bring his regime in,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: be a little piece, a little piece there, that kind
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: of thing. And he obviously loved the guy. But when
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: the guy when when when Hill was twenty eight years old,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: twenty nine years old, that's one thing, you know. And
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: now but he's gonna be thirty six years old, and
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: that's something totally different. Now. I don't even know how
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: much he has left in the tank, to be honest,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: that's a position.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: The way he played it relies so heavily on athleticism
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: and your little up a little older.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: I don't see the need.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: His last one truly great years were I don't know
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: and I don't know even know if he had a
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: great year but a dynamic year, we're like twenty twenty one, Yeah,
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. I still think it would have it
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: would have behooved Sean Payton to go. I love Taysum,
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: but I'm focused on the guys.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Want guys that doesn't want to insult him.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: He doesn't want to, you know, ruin his market because
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: there's some teams that probably are talking to him. So
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: if he casts him off for perhaps he's doing him
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: a disfavor there. So I understand what he's doing. But
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: this is not New Orleans, this is Denver.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Let's move on. If you have a need as a
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: football team, and you think you could design some things
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: for him and utilize him in a bunch of different
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: ways because he was a college quarterback, he can obviously
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: throw the ball, he can catch the ball, he can
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: run the ball, he can do a lot of things
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: with the football. If you can design things around him,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: then okay, sounds good. But at this point with this team,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know about that. Would you break him as
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: a backup quarterback? No, not a chance in hell no.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Because if he's playing, if he's playing, the game you've lost,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: you just no need to. I would argue to you
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: as a quarterback. Both the guys you have right now
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: are better than he is, and they've been known to
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: carry three. Now.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: I don't know about Stidham this year. That's why we've
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: talked about this is how long you're gonna take that job?
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: You know, if you if you let stid Him walk,
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: you save a ton of money. You're the ones saying
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: that they're in a bit of a buye next year.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: They are in a buying next Okay, So then so
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: then you bring in then you bring him in as
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: a third string guy. You know, maybe Sean Sas say,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: can you can you hold out long enough for us
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: to determine whether or not we're going to to go
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: with the former Texas quarterback as our number two or not?
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, it might send the wrong message to camp.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Considering the roster turnover that doesn't exist out there. Right
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: There's been three starting positions that have been turned over
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: on both the offense and the defense combined, which is
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: insane to me. Right, Like, no other team in the
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: NFL has this much roster continuity. And then you bring
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: in a player in the middle of like, I always
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: go back to the scene in Miracle right where they
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: bring in the stud from Minnesota and the boys get
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: off the bus and they go her, what the hell
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: is happening here?
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Timmy Timmy Tim harrr, Timmy Horror, the hell? What's just?
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: It's just, is it? Tim Horr? I don't know what's
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know what the hell you're talking about. God
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: dang it, you can't just utter words and expect me
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: to understand what you're saying, Tim Horror, Tim Horror, Sorry,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: the horror of horror? What what? What is this? He
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: was the one Herb Brooks, But I remember the way
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: it was said by who whatever? An actor was playing whatever.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: But he played for Herb Brooks at the University of Minnesota. Okay,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: So midway through camp or towards the end of camp,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: he brings Timmy Horror in because the guy can score
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: the puck, and he said there was oh see, because
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: we're a team, you know whatever, your family, her family. Okay,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: So there you go.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: Would it send the wrong message if you bring in
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: someone like that as opposed to like, this is my
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: dream scenario finding a way to bring in Vidavea. But
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: they don't have the cap space going into the future.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: And the reason why Videvea and Tampa Bay are butting
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: heads because Tampa doesn't want to extend him past this year,
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: but would bring it back.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Dude.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: We have a very wise texture from Fort Collins nineteen
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: twenty four, who writes what I was thinking, writes in prediction,
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: they'll bring in Taysom Hill week.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Two, so his contract is not guaranteed. That's Tim and
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: no coach. Okay, call Tim. So what if he gets
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: a job with somebody else between now and then.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: That's roll of the dice. Okay, who knows it better
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: than this guy? What are the coaches known better than
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: this guy here? So and he can make the choice
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: at that point.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Well, sure, I mean, but if it's let's see I'm
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: let's say i'm him. I'd like to have a job. Okay,
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: if you want me to wait until week two or
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: whatever on some whim, fine, I'm looking for a right now. Hey,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: I love your former coach. I love the opportunity. If
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be there, that's great, But I need a
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: job now.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: Several people on the text sign also wondering if you
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: did suffer at there.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: No, it's Tim Harrr saying Nelly, would Nelly do me
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: a favor? I don't have a stroke, Nelly play fat Kids, No, No,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: find the clip. I don't Kim Miracle, I do. I
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: don't care because it would make sense when you hear it.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: It doesn't. It won't change my day, It won't alter
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: my outlook on this topic. It won't change anything. It
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: certainly would help you shut up and not get on
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: my ass. What what you just said there? And you
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: sabotage the show by trying to pronounce a guy's name
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: for an hour.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: And it's gonna show up on Friday during drunk takes.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: It might show up today during fact checker.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: We're Steven, Steven? Are you even on the camera. I
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: can't even see you. I don't see Steve at all.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: It all boils me down to here, are you smelling
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: burnt toast? Is everything okay out there? Jeez?
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: It all boils down to whether or not like having
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: Taysom Hill on this roster actively affects your chances to
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: win a Super Bowl?
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: And I don't think it does.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Even when I talk about videvea, if you didn't bring
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: in that player, do I think that the guys on
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: the field in front of us can win a Super
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Bowl this year without bringing in anyone else. Yes, I do,
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: without a doubt. There's no question about the level of
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: this defense being a top five unit. And if they
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: can find a way to up the turnovers, it gets
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: even better. If bo Nicks and the Davis Web experiment
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: works out and they don't start games in the third quarter.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: The ninety some odd players that we've seen for four days,
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: they can win Super One of.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: The reasons why, and I don't think we've stressed this enough,
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: one of the reasons why they don't have as many
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: turnovers as they we think they should is because they
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: believe so much man. And when your corners are playing man,
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: your eyes aren't on the ball, your eyes are on
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: the guy you're covering. So zone defenses are more apt
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: to come up. Zone defense can be beaten too. But
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: when you're playing the aggressive man style football that the
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: Broncos do, and that's Riley Moss on one side, Patrick
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: Shirtan on the other, Jakwan McMillan in the slot, and
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: that's what you're doing, it's harder. It's harder to throw
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: to get an interception. So where that comes from remains
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: to be seen. It hasn't come from the secondary. Can
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: you look up how many interceptions the secondary got last year.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: I would guarantee you that the Denver Broncos secondary is
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: near the bottom of the league in interceptions the secondary alone. Yeah, probably,
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: And a lot of that is because of the style
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: of defense they play.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Sure had a big one though in the divisional game.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Sure had a huge one. Of course. That's why we
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: remember them because they were I dig that.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're not picking the ball off all over
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: the place. He is manually counting them, right, So six
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: interceptions by the back, that's gotta be.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: That has to be bottom third without a doubt.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: Two for Jakwon McMillan, one for Riley Moss, one for Sirtan,
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: one for Jones, and one for j Bart.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: That's not because they lack talents, because of the style
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: of play. You know, they're again their backs are to
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: the quarterback, they're running with the receiver. It's much more
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: difficult to come up with the ball. They they see
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: the ball at the last second. All right, just put
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: yourself in that situation. You're Patrick's are ten, You're back pedaling,
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: the receiver runs an out route. You turn it into
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: an out route. The ball's right there, you bat it down,
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: you make the tackle. You're playing a zone. You see
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: the ball the entire time, I see the quarterback the
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: entire time.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Broncos over Broncos overall ten picks along with the Cards, Chiefs, Patriots, Saints, Dolphins,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: and Giants at nine Washington at A. But you look
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: at the leaders like the Bears at twenty three, Jags
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: twenty two, Chargers nineteen. So there you go.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: Six from defensive backs has to be bottom three in
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: the league.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: It has to be. I would agree with you.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: Three zero, three, five, four, nine to two five is
• 44:45
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• 44:47
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• 44:51
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• 44:54
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• 44:57
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• 45:00
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