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Betrayed by Our Underpinnings · That Car Show

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Well, welcome to this week's That Car Show.
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We're back with a crew show. It was it was good to see you
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guys with Steve last week. Before we get started, I thought
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I'd give you a cultural reference.
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I know this week we're not being categorized as a cultural car
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show, but I was watching the movie Hook.
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Have you guys seen the movie Hook?
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So it's been so long. I saw your note in the prep like
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in the show notes and I'm I have a guest but I was so excited
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when I saw. Your little I couldn't believe
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it. So Hook was, I think his early
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90s movie with Steven Spielberg and Robin Williams.
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And it's the story of what happens after Peter Pan.
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So Peter Pan does grow up. He has a family.
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Anyway, halfway through the movie, he he basically moves to
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London to an accept an award with his family and he's got two
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kids And to keep his kids safe at night, he hands his son a
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pocket watch. And I couldn't believe it when I
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looked at the branding on the pocket watch because it was a.
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Sheffield. It was a Sheffield Watch.
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Get out. Get.
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Out. So I wonder, I wonder if Jay
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knows this. We'll have to tell.
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It's never come up as far as I know.
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I mean, that's pretty damn cool. Especially because the movie was
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long enough ago. Like, I watched it.
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I mean, I saw it in the theaters.
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Not to, you know, age myself. I saw it in the theaters.
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But at that point, that's not something I was aware of.
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But I love looking back on that stuff and you're like, OK,
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again, the threads were there the whole time.
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Yep. Crazy.
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We all know pocket watches are coming back.
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I was going to say I'm like wait, which brand just did this
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pocket watch? It's just like a semi weird deep
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cut and it's like, is it who just did the pocket watch?
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It was watched people. Didn't they Swatch?
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Swatch did a collaboration with Aldermar PK.
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Yeah, yeah. So I'm like, I know it wasn't a
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neon pocket watch. Yeah, so anyway, watch the movie
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or just check out that scene. But it's pretty cool and a shout
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out to Jay and everyone at Sheffield.
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That's amazing Hook had great taste.
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Yeah, well, it was Robin Williams.
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It was Peter Pan. Had good taste.
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Yeah, if you remember the film, Hook hated clocks, so he had all
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the clocks. Smashed up because the crocodile
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ate his hand, right? Or or he ate his hand and then
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he fed him a clock or yeah, I can hear him coming.
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They turned the crocodile into a clock in the movie.
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Let's. Anyway, let's talk about cars,
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shall we? It's just a bit more.
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Of a crazy idea. Object Lindsay, it sounds like
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you are overdosing on press cars right now.
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I am, well, I think you put it. Very.
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You put it very aptly last week and said that I'm our very own
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clerks, in which, as I told you, that's a comparison I will
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always gladly accept. Yes, I found myself with two
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press cards in hand and a third potential on Friday alone.
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And so I just kept hearing you in my head and hearing like
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Clarkson. And I was like, if there's ever
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a metric of you've arrived, you've made it.
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This is it. When you've got press cards
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coming out your ears like Hallelujah.
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So I spent last week and I gave it back on Friday with a 2026
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Toyota Land Cruiser and then swapped that out on Friday for a
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Lucid Air Touring. And then just so that I could
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give everyone the my full attention, the car that was also
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potentially coming on Friday will be coming next week.
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So stay tuned to see what I'm picking up next week.
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But in the meantime, I mean, I've just been having the best
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time. And Ryan, I think you drove a
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Land Cruiser. Have you experienced 1 yet?
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Yeah. I've driven a couple of them and
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I've also driven the Lexus sibling.
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Oh, you have. OK, so that is on my list.
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Now that I've experienced the Land Cruiser, I'm like, all
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right, I want to drive the GX so that I can compare.
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Yep. I mean, I don't have a bad word
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to say about the Land Cruiser. It was a universal favorite with
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everyone in my house. We had the chance to get
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together with family and took them for a drive in it.
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So I took three adults and two kids at one point comfortably.
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The one that I had didn't have the third seat in it, but that's
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obviously an option. So you can seat up to seven,
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depending on how you option it. Yeah.
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I mean, it was just infinitely usable.
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Like, I can't. It was like every time I got in
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it and started to drive away, I'm like, it's just so usable.
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And I don't know what you thought, Ryan.
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Like if that was your sort of take away.
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Well, I liked it a lot more than the new 4 runner for the things
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I do with the car, right. And I guess if you're a hardcore
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off roader, yeah, you go and you get that 4 runner Trail Hunter
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or whatever it is, but. Just day to.
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Day the the the land crews are far superior, far superior and
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yeah, wait to drive the Lexus because that's that's got the
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six cylinder and that really just kind of makes it perfect,
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right. I feel like that probably tips
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it over the edge. Yeah.
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I mean, I just like, I just kept marveling too, because it's a
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tall vehicle, but that's very similar to my truck.
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And so I felt very at home. It was like, oh, I really do
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like feel most at home in a taller, you know, big SUV,
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something like that. So I sort of like I felt more
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comfortable right away. I think just cuz I'm used to the
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truck, it was incredibly easy to park, which a lot of people
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might find surprising given the size.
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But just like the steering is so precise and especially with all
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the cameras and the tech, I felt like I never had a blind spot.
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It was complete visibility, complete confidence, super
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precise steering, an incredibly comfortable ride for an SUV with
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big tires on it that's set up to go off road.
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One thing my daughter and I kept talking about was how
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comfortable it was going over speed bumps like, and it was
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there was no vagueness. So it really is a testament to
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the engineering because you felt the speed bump, but there was no
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vagueness. But it was 100% comfortable.
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It was like very elevated feedback because you knew there
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was constant feedback from the road, but it never took away
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from the driving experience. But I still felt like I was
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completely aware of what was going on, but very comfortable.
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What are these competing against?
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Like what's your alternatives? Defender.
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Yeah, Defender, the Expedition, I would think because it's you
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can get a third row like anything with a third row.
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They I mean the Sequoia is a different version that also
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comes with the 3rd row, but that's another Toyota product.
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I would guess they not the Nissan Armada because that's
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probably more in line with the Sequoia, but I think like the
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Telluride, that's another third row.
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But you know. What?
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Well, the new Telluride is a little different.
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I spent some time in one. We can get to this later with
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the Armac driving day and I far prefer the Land Cruiser.
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Yeah. And I think I would just feel
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much, much more comfortable off road in that versus, yeah,
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versus the the Kia. To me the the leaders in that
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class are the Defender in that, you know, and I don't care if
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it's not a real Land Cruiser, it's just a really great all
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around car vehicle I should say. Well, that was, I hadn't
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realized that they, they discontinued the Land Cruiser in
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2021 and then obviously it's known as the Land Cruiser Prado
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outside the US and so they brought that here.
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You can still get that old one as the Lexus, of course.
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Yeah, I think that's why I didn't realize that Toyota had
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discontinued it. So that was interesting to
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learn, you know, when I had this one when I was doing my
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research. But yeah, like you said, Ryan,
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you definitely hear the engine because it's a 4 cylinder turbo
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hybrid. You definitely hear the engine
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working, but it's super responsive.
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We never lacked for power. So I kept thinking like, yeah,
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you hear it. So it just depends on what you
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drive. You want your driving
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experience. To be and the hybrid goes a long
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way in filling in that gap between, you know, hitting the
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accelerator and then feeling the power right.
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It really smooths things out. Yeah, it's, it's, you know, I
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don't know what the price point is exactly on that.
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I think it probably comes in a little cheaper than a a
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comparable defender, but of course you get, you know, a
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wider range of of drivetrain options in the defender, right?
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Yeah, I think it depends. The one that I had was priced at
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70, but again, that one didn't have the 3rd row did have a
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sunroof, which was lovely. You know, all the creature
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comforts. It had heated seats, didn't have
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a heated steering wheel, but that's not standard.
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You know, that's more of a surprise when you do have a car
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with that. Right, right.
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I, I think, and I don't know what color the one was that you
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drove rent. I had the tan with the white top
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and what was so funny, it's like a it's like a burnt sand color.
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And it's not a color I would typically pick, like to start
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off. But it definitely grew on all of
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us as the week went on. And like, at one point, my
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daughter and I had gone to a park and I glanced over and the
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car was like, you know, a little distance away.
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And I went like, wow, it's really good looking.
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And so it's kind of like, yeah. And like, when you see it, I was
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like, OK, so when you see it in its natural environment, like
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outside, you know, this wasn't like far off the beaten track,
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but it looked, it's sort of gelled.
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And what was fascinating was how much attention the car
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attracted. And part of that was the color.
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Like, we'd be sitting in it a few times.
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We sat in it and ate lunch, you know, when we're out and about
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and people would be walking by and we'd hear them go, wow, I
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really like that. Is it there?
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I really like that color. Look at this.
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What is this? Yeah.
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So back to the FJ Cruiser too, right, With that 2 tone.
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And I think they went from a combination that was very
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similar to that. That's a car all these years
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later, what is it? 25 years or whatever?
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Hard to believe things still looks fresh, still looks like a
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concept car. Check my numbers.
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It probably hasn't been 25 years, but but those still look
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good. And I think this will be that
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car. Couple decades down the row.
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I think it's really time. Yeah, this is like, well, and
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it's kind of like, if you look at it that way, like this is the
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natural progression from the FJ. It's like the Expedition was the
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natural progression from the Bronco.
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The Bronco was a 2 door, 5 seater SUV.
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The FJ is a 2 door 5 seater. The Expedition, they added two
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doors. Same thing with the Prado and
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the Land Cruiser gives you 2 more doors.
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So it's even that much more usable.
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But yeah, I mean it's like, and there was no driver fatigue.
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Like I took it on long drives and just, it was just
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delightful. And it's truly capable off road,
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but you give up very little around town, which is really
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kind of the sweet spot for most of us, I think so.
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Yeah, and they dropped it off. It was nearly full with gas.
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I drove it for the week like I didn't, you know, I'm like, if I
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need to fill it up, I need to fill it up.
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I didn't stop my usual, you know, activities and got to the
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end of the week and still had a little bit of gas left.
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So it's like while you were seeing it drop, it wasn't
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precipitous. Like it was very usable.
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But yeah, it was definitely tough to hand the keys back to
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that one. And I could absolutely have that
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as a daily, Yeah. Yeah, I could absolutely see you
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in that, right. Yeah, it was funny.
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I was like this. It definitely like we all felt
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very at home in it, which is, you know, that doesn't always
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happen. How do you decide between that
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and the defender then? I think you'd have to drive them
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back-to-back. It's just a matter of like the
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Land Cruisers, more utilitarian, the defenders going to have more
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creature comforts. I think the defender I felt had
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a little more capability off road, right, just a little bit
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more of a of an envelope performance envelope.
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And I know Defenders have come a long way reliability wise, but I
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haven't heard anything about a Land Cruiser.
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And you know, from as far as I can tell, they're, they seem to
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be bulletproof. To reliability.
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I mean, I I think that would be a big part of anybody, any
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equation is reliability. They both seem to hold their
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value quite well, so I don't know who has the edge there,
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but. Yeah, Is the dealer experience
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come into it at all now? Obviously I had a very shit
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dealer experience with the the Land Rover down the road in LA,
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but I also had a pretty poor experience with Toyota in
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Seattle when I had my GR Corolla.
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Oh. That's right.
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That's right. They charge for a, you know, a
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courtesy car, for example. So does that come into it at all
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in terms of, you know, the dealer experience or does that
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not really even equate? I to me, at this point in my
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life, that is not going to sway my ultimate decision.
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It's definitely something I might think about, but I think
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like, let's say there's a brand that's not known for great
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dealer experience, but I love the car and I think it'd be a
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great fit for. You call him Old Star, shall we?
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Right. Yeah, No, I mean, I think he
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just kind of like, you know, going in depending on what who
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it is or or where you have to go that you're like, it's not going
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to be fantastic, but I love the car and like day-to-day it's
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going to be great. Yeah, yeah.
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You know, Dan, I when I think of Land Rover dealer, I still, you
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know, envision the Land Rover dealer of the 90s and the early
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plots with the, you know, I don't know why they got rid of
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this, but the test track out. I know I was just thinking the.
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Front and it's like, come on, that's that's I want that back.
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That's for. Contact.
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Anymore I just, you know, I don't even know.
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I mean, if are they stand alone? Guys, I drove past a Jaguar
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dealership the other day. Talk about bleak.
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A story. For another another time.
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But they had like 2 cars. It was, it was really kind of
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sad, really. Kind of stuff.
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Yeah, so Land Rovers, you know, got a lot of pressure on them
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right now and I don't know what the dealer experience is, but
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that's right. That's, hey, I had a Wrangler
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for a day last week and forgotten how much I loved it.
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Also a car that you'd owned, Dan.
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Yeah, did you get the death wobble?
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No, I tried. I I think they've.
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Been quite his best effort. You dialed that out.
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Yeah, but which one did you have?
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You know, this was just a a base, you know, car, but black
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on black with a hard top. I got a lot of looks in this car
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though, you know, again, kind of unexpected.
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Don't get a yeah, get nearly a look in in a GT4.
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But this thing, you know, guys, girls, I mean, this is a good
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looking thing. I think it was in the the triple
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black, you know, kind of kind of look and it just I don't know.
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Yeah, it was it was bigger than I expected a Wrangler and of
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course this was the four door. I think they've grown a bit.
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But but yeah, but then again, you know, at the end of the day,
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what am I buying? Probably buying that Toyota,
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hate to say so. Yeah.
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Well, you have to consider, you know, you do have a family and
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like that obviously plays a huge part in what's going to work
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day-to-day. Yeah.
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It's funny, I was doing some research the other week around
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Touro businesses. OK.
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And AI and you kind of give AI some questions, our research
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department and the perfect Touro car is a Wrangler if you're, if
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you're in a place of like tourism.
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So Seattle would work, I guess that would work.
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Obviously LA would work, but the ROI on the Wranglers?
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Yep. Is up there in terms of great
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tour cuts. Makes so much sense and I think
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it'd be hard to get into trouble in one, right?
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You don't have to worry. You know, they're tough, right?
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You don't have to worry about covering the wheel.
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You don't have to worry about, you know, speed bumps, potholes,
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so much I think makes a lot of sense, right?
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A few Dings and scratches. I mean, don't really.
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That's character. Harsh the vibe, right?
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So yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a fan. I you know, you know what you're
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getting with the Wrangler, right?
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Right. You know exactly what you're
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getting and each successive, you know, addition's a little nicer
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than the one before it, right? It's a great single car solution
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for a lot of people I think, but.
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Yeah, especially because of the sort of modularity like the fact
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that you can take off the roof or the doors or whatever and
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turn it into like a beach mobile, but you can go off
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roading and. You can get a manual.
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Yeah, get a manual and you can put everything back on and it's
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a an enclosed car. Yeah, I liked your rear Wrangler
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in the time you had it. Yeah, Dad.
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That's I, I loved it. It was, yeah.
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It wasn't a quick car. I went from quick Audis to, you
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know, to that. And it just, it was utilitarian,
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you know, it, it gave experiences that I slept in that
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car many times. Have you had a car you haven't
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slept in? It could be.
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That the monster. I worked that one out.
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But yeah, I mean they're just, you know it.
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But it leads on to the like now you've got an alternative, which
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is the Bronco, right? And I think 2 weeks ago we
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talked about the Filson Bronco. I mean, Lindsay, you pro that up
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and they've materialized. I know.
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And we were talking about it I think at the end of or beginning
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of last week. And they're beautiful.
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Like they just look stunning. I mean, you put it very well and
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it's like, yeah, I think it's a defender, contender rhyme.
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Unintended, but I'll take it. We're, we're a damn Oracle
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around here. I feel like we're predicting
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things left and right. And you know, I like that very
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much. It's a handsome thing for me.
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I can't get past sort of the chopped visibility, right?
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The the chopped lookout of a Bronco.
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The Wrangler doesn't have that. The Wrangler's all, all glass
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and it's, it's, it's really quite, quite nice.
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I'm sure you get used to anything.
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And I, I do think the Bronco looks a little cooler, right?
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But to me that's that's a consideration in city traffic
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and. So you'd go Jeep over Bronco?
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Or Defender over Bronco over Filson.
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Bronco, I think is what he's saying.
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Yeah, yeah. If I could get a soft top V-82
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door defender, yeah, that'd be that'd be the one for me.
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But alas, we can't. So I don't know.
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I don't have to. I'd have to drive the Bronco
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again. It's been a while, so.
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Yeah, the the Bronco has better Rd. manners I think than the G.
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It does OK. OK, so that's the that's what
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you're paying for, you know, because it's it's taken the best
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of what the Wrangler was and then they brought it out, right?
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It's but this new, this new Filson edition looks interesting
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because it's going to have the the engine from the the Raptor,
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but reduced. So it's almost gunning for
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gunning for the the Land Rover, so.
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Reduced is in like more genteel. Is that sort of the you know?
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I think so. So less horsepower, like less
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highly revved, right, But but you're getting a like a a better
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engine than the two point. Seven.
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Maybe that's the one then. Maybe that that checks off the
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most boxes. Maybe that's your next card in.
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That's yeah. Maybe, although I've been
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looking at Rivians today. You.
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Know how about that are they just dropped the price?
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Did you see this? Yeah, right now we're talking
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right. Like who does that?
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Who? Who does that?
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Yeah, I can see. You in that's.
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Which model are you looking at? So the they've just released the
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R2 is that one that's that's getting mixed up with the
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numbers. Why can't why can't they make it
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very easy? But but like it's, you know, the
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premium edition is just under 60K.
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Yeah. You're getting good, good
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electric coverage. You're getting, you know, a
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brand that is focused on outdoor and fun.
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And so yeah, I need to test for everyone, I think.
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What's the range on that? 4:30 I think for.
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The top one wrap, I mean that's that's.
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That's fantastic. And over 600 plus.
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Powered cars, yeah. Right.
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But they do, they will be a cheaper one than the one that's
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been reduced. OK, we'll have less mileage,
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but. Yeah.
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Anything over 300, though, sign me up.
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I mean, that's, yeah. It turns out these aren't the
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droids we're looking for. Jeez.
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Well, sorry, I speak to droids. I watched this.
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I don't know what's what what moved me to click on this last
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night, but it's the original Westworld movie from 1973 and I.
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Never saw. Yes, exactly.
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So you've seen it, right? And isn't Steve McQueen in it?
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You're gonna. Ask our research department.
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Yeah, I thought it was. We'll, we'll, yeah, I, I was
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drinking, but that's probably what moved me to watch it.
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But I, one of the things I thought was fascinating was, you
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know, again, this is 1973. It's older than me, right?
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5 minutes into the movie there. So the, the premise is you can
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take a, you can take a vacation to one of these three worlds,
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right? One of them is this West world,
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this Western world, and basically you can live in this
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time period. But I I had to laugh because, or
21:00
laugh or cringe or, or just that was interesting that, you know,
21:04
they asked the question. Well, how do you tell the, the,
21:05
the humans from the, the robots, you know, the, the real from the
21:08
fake? And the response was, well, you
21:10
look at their hands. They haven't quite figured out
21:12
the hands yet. This is 1970.
21:16
Yeah. Isn't that wild?
21:19
He was in. He was.
21:20
In the Magnificent 7, I think with your printer and they
21:23
didn't get on but. Oh, OK, All right, I'm glad it
21:26
wasn't Steve McQueen because I would have lost at least half my
21:29
My Car Guy card if that had been him and I didn't recognize him.
21:33
But fun, fun watch. And yeah, really prescient, I
21:37
guess. So you went on an intensive?
21:41
Yeah. Day of testing, is that right?
21:43
Yeah, intensive is right. So they got, I don't know, 2530
21:46
of us car journalists here. Who's they Like this is Rocky
21:50
Mountain Automotive Press, which is much like the the, the was it
21:54
the whopper? What's the, the whopper with the
21:58
PNW? Yeah.
21:59
Northwest Automotive Press Association.
22:01
Yep. This is the R map.
22:03
And I've yet to think of a fast food analogy, but yeah, so they
22:06
get a big group of us together and then, you know, most of the
22:09
manufacturers, the OEMs are there and they bring a bunch of
22:12
cars. So like I said, probably a
22:14
couple dozen of us, at least that many cars didn't have time
22:18
to drive everything. But basically you, you take one
22:20
out and you spend half an hour, 45 minutes with it and come back
22:24
and hop into something else. And it was it was fun because
22:29
McLaren has been there in the past.
22:31
McLaren wasn't there this year. Nothing too exotic.
22:33
You know, it's, it's, but it's the working day stuff, right?
22:35
It's the people, you know, it's the stuff that that we actually
22:37
buy. So Kia Stalantis, several Jeeps,
22:42
there was a Honda and Toyota and and and Lexus and Genesis and
22:48
and all this. And I, as I mentioned on the on
22:51
the last episode with Steve, I was absolutely blown away by one
22:54
car. And that's the, the Acura
22:56
Integra. They had an A spec which is the,
22:59
the lower horsepower, sort of the middle of the road, 200
23:01
horsepower, one of the best manual transmissions I've ever
23:04
driven. I think it's probably
23:06
effectively the same transmission that's in the, the,
23:10
the type R and they do offer, I think it's the type S and the
23:12
Acura, which is I think basically the same car as as the
23:15
Civic Type RI. The car was just sublime.
23:18
I may buy one. They're that good $44,000.
23:21
I haven't driven a car like that in years.
23:24
It's what we, you know, we think of Honda as being but but
23:27
better, right? They've they've advanced and
23:29
just a wonderful, wonderful thing.
23:30
Not the quickest thing in the world, a 200 horsepower, but
23:34
just the lightest, sweetest, you know, clutch and and and and
23:37
shifter and, and it's just inherently, you know, good.
23:42
That was my favorite, my absolute favorite.
23:44
But the other car that really that people really loved was the
23:48
new Prelude. And I think that was probably my
23:50
number 2. I don't know if either one of
23:52
you have driven the new Prelude. It's gotten some grief because
23:56
it's expensive. It's not super powerful, but
23:58
what a what a wonderful little thing that is.
24:01
Again, about 200 horsepower. I don't know it it it felt like
24:05
APDK transmission. I don't know what the
24:07
transmission actually is and I meant to look that up before we
24:09
got on it looks like an LPNA 110 from many angles right and
24:15
they're relatively new. This was in this beautiful blue
24:17
color, almost a Mexico blue and you know from a Porsche world
24:20
got all the looks people people just spun their heads around to
24:24
see this thing because I haven't seen a ton of them on the road
24:28
and especially in this color. It looked really, really good.
24:31
I don't know who this car is for necessarily.
24:34
It's kind of like who was the like the Honda Del Sol for or
24:37
the CRX, right? I mean it, it fits in that in
24:40
that sort of category, maybe a a young single professional or
24:43
something who wants something that's fun but also practical.
24:46
What a delightful thing to drive.
24:48
For me, the Integra was just that much sweeter with the
24:50
manual, but that was the favorite for a lot of people.
24:54
I I was really impressed with the Subaru, the new Subaru EV
25:00
called the trail Seeker. Yeah, the trail seeker, the 2026
25:05
Subaru Trail Seeker, I think it's about 380 horsepower full
25:09
EV. It's kind of like if you had an
25:12
Outback that was an EV, the, the ride was incredible.
25:16
Roads so much better than the either the Outback or the
25:18
Forester that they had on hand. And you know, obviously you
25:22
don't have to worry about CBD transmission.
25:25
Ride was great. The size was right, but the one
25:28
thing that cursed the damn car, and this is something that was
25:31
in at least a third of the cars. There was the squirkle steering
25:36
wheel and I just so you can, it's the squared off circle and
25:40
then the Subaru's, the the trail seekers case.
25:43
It was this tiny little thing, almost yoke like, and you just
25:46
felt kind of goofy using it. But the car was wonderful.
25:50
Yeah, it looks homely, whatever, you know, it's, it's a lot of
25:52
hard plastics and that kind of thing.
25:53
But it was one of the best driving cars of the day.
25:56
I was really, really impressed. And I think that's also around
26:00
44,000. But you can spend $6000 more,
26:03
Dan, you can get the Lexus ES500, which is a full EV and
26:07
it's like a Rolls Royce. It's fantastic.
26:10
Those are my takeaways. I wonder if you're the wrong
26:13
demographic for that Subaru because you know a lot of the
26:17
Outbacks and the cross tracks traditionally would like the
26:20
college cars, right? The kids, the cars the kids had.
26:24
So maybe they want that sort of steering wheel in their cars and
26:26
it's it's. Yeah.
26:28
Yeah. They want to feel like they've
26:30
got a Tesla Plaid. So Ryan, did they have?
26:34
So at Mudfest we had one of the trail seekers and then we had
26:38
one of the Uncharteds, which is the other new EV.
26:41
Did you guys have one of those? No, didn't have the uncharted.
26:43
Is that the smaller one? Yeah, it's slightly smaller.
26:47
It's it's more of a it's not a hatchback, but it's kind of like
26:52
an X6 silhouette, like swoop, you know, swooping, sloping
26:56
roof, not wagon esque. It was fantastic.
27:03
But I thought I thought the trail seer was really fun and
27:07
capable. But yeah, the steering wheel, by
27:10
the second day, I was used to it.
27:11
Yeah, first day. And it wasn't the only one.
27:14
There were several, but, and I think especially when you're
27:16
going back and forth, you notice it even more.
27:19
Because that's. You're going from the thing, you
27:21
know, that's the thing you don't know.
27:22
And then back and forth. Yeah.
27:24
And this was all on pavement. We didn't do any off roading.
27:26
So maybe I'd have a different, you know, opinion if I took this
27:29
thing off road. But it just looked a little out
27:31
of place. It looked a little small, like
27:32
A7 7th, 8th, 7 eighth scale, you know, wheel with a bigger.
27:36
Car How? Funny.
27:36
Doesn't look nearly as silly though, as the Charger 4 door
27:40
that also has a, a steering wheel like that, but is has
27:43
about 200% of the the visual weight of the Subaru.
27:48
And I just a bunch of the cars had it.
27:50
I don't get it. Some were better than others,
27:53
but the one in the Subaru just looked like looked funny.
27:56
It just didn't look like it fit. And but I, I thought the car
27:59
drove well. It rode well, had good power,
28:02
you know, 380 horsepower. So it was, you know, as quick
28:05
as, as anything, all the power you'd you'd want.
28:09
It was. Really fun driving stuff
28:11
back-to-back to back-to-back. Yeah, poor Stalantis.
28:15
Stalantis, if I may. Everyone loved the Pacifica so.
28:20
Oh, you guys had an Angelus? Angelus.
28:23
Highway, I guess knows what he's talking about and interestingly
28:27
this one had been used in the I forget the name of the rally.
28:31
So the woman who's the current president of our map, Sarah
28:34
Lacy, had done is the Trinity the.
28:36
Trinity Rally, Yes, you had the one that she drove.
28:39
This was the exact same same one.
28:42
I didn't actually get to drive it because I was trying to drive
28:45
all the fun stuff. Doing everything.
28:47
Else when everyone said this is great, it's got like 290
28:50
horsepower It it drives wonderfully, like they would
28:53
take it over many of the other cars.
28:55
I was. That was a surprise of the day
28:58
for sure. Not the first time we've heard
29:00
that, though. Please go to our episode of
29:02
Angela's Death Highway. And it Even so, it's interesting
29:05
because it even looks kind of cool now, unless you get the
29:08
base model like the rental fleet and that still looks like the
29:10
old one. The others have all been
29:12
facelifted. But it was, you know, that was
29:14
universally more loved than the new Cherokee, which I think most
29:18
of us were kind of disappointed with.
29:20
Well, it's got a one point. 5. Liter 4 cylinder turbo just
29:24
didn't do anything for me so. Well, and I mean, you make a
29:28
good point, because I think people are predisposed to like
29:31
the Cherokee and to have the Pacifica come in and just blow
29:35
everybody out of the water and be like, hey, I'm here and I'm
29:38
fantastic. Yeah, yeah, I think about the
29:41
same price too. I could be wrong, but yeah, the
29:44
the new Cherokee, it just was under engine.
29:46
It felt heavy. It just, it just wasn't the car
29:49
for me. It's probably the right car for
29:51
a lot of folks. It's just not the right car for
29:53
me. Trying to think of any other
29:55
surprises. Interesting.
29:57
I think the Trinity Rally was happening while I was at Mudfest
29:59
because I was talking to the Stalantis guys who were there
30:04
and they were really excited and they they've worked with Sarah
30:08
over the years. I think they were excited to
30:10
have the car on the rally. Well, Sarah's awesome, she's
30:13
great, and and apparently the Pacifica was too.
30:16
But you know, you just don't get to drive everything and and that
30:19
was something I didn't get to drive but.
30:21
So how many cars were there? Couple dozen at least.
30:25
And you know, again, it ran the gamut, drove the new Kia
30:28
Telluride, which again, I think it's probably a very good car
30:32
for a lot of people. It's a very different vehicle
30:33
from the the Cherokee and I think a better vehicle, a bigger
30:37
vehicle, but. Yeah, because that can be A7
30:39
seater. Yes, yes, yeah.
30:41
The thing was massive pleasant, you know, It just didn't, didn't
30:46
get me, didn't get your. Engine going.
30:48
Yeah, You know, nothing was terrible, right?
30:52
That's the thing, Nothing's terrible anymore.
30:54
Some are just really, really good.
30:55
And once you drive one of those, it's, you know, pretty easy to
31:00
forget the others, so. I was impressed because they had
31:03
their, they had a Telluride at Mudfest and it did fantastic off
31:08
road, you know, and you just never know.
31:10
Interesting. Yeah.
31:11
Because a lot of those, you know, that 90 or 99% of them are
31:15
going to be used for ferrying children around on city streets.
31:18
And so you never know when you're going to take it off
31:20
road. I mean, another thing, like with
31:23
the Trail Seeker, it did fantastic off road, which is
31:27
what you'd expect from Subaru, but you don't necessarily know
31:29
how the EV is going to do. And yeah, that and the Uncharted
31:33
both did amazingly off road. In that Telluride was actually
31:36
pretty great in the twisties. I took it out out on a twisty
31:39
Rd. with their buddy Jason Meschnik, who you both know, you
31:43
know, we, we heard, we got the tires to make some noise and the
31:47
brakes to, to make some smell. And it was very predictable.
31:51
I mean, it's not a car to ever choose for the twisties, but it
31:53
really it was it was better than it had any right to be.
31:58
You know, you think you drive one wonderful car.
32:00
So like with the Integra from Acura, I mean, best car of the
32:03
day in my opinion. But the other car they had there
32:05
was the Acura ADX, which is their small crossover SUV.
32:09
And I hated it. I hated it.
32:12
CBT transmission board. Or it.
32:14
Was just a very different vehicle and it just, it just, it
32:20
felt sloppy. It was everything that the that
32:22
the Integra wasn't. It was perfectly fine, but it
32:25
wasn't, you know, you know, wasn't all that much better than
32:28
the Cherokee right in, in in my eyes, just really disappointed
32:33
in that. And the other thing that I was
32:35
disappointed in is a lot of these cars had high end audio
32:38
brand sound systems. So the Jeep Grand Cherokee,
32:42
which is an interesting one, really beautiful interior, has a
32:47
Macintosh stereo, but unfortunately it didn't sound
32:50
like any Macintosh stereo that I'd ever I'd ever heard.
32:54
It's the new Macintosh, It sounds the same.
32:56
That's that's right. It's it's same thing for the the
32:59
MDX head. I'm sorry, the ADX, the Acura
33:02
had a bang and Wolfson system suffered from the same issues
33:06
that, you know, bang and Wolfson systems do and and and other
33:09
brands like Genesis, right, where instead of simple bass and
33:12
treble controls, you've got this bio sound circle that you're you
33:15
can never get the sound quite right.
33:17
Meanwhile, the Integra had a I'm going to have to check the check
33:22
the brand again. It wasn't ADS, but it was
33:23
another brand and it was exceptional, right?
33:26
So same same manufacturer, same same OEM, and yet you know, the
33:31
one car's exceptional on the other.
33:32
I would have put way down on my list.
33:34
So it's interesting. I wonder if it's something to do
33:37
with sharing platforms because I don't know whether the ADX is
33:40
shared across the Honda range or obviously the Integra.
33:45
Is is shared with the Civic, isn't it?
33:48
Yeah, I'm wondering if the ADX is the same as is, is it the
33:52
HRV, the really small Honda crossover?
33:56
Because it didn't I I think it was betrayed by its
33:59
underpinnings, honestly. It just.
34:01
It just was not. There's the episode title,
34:04
Betrayed by our Underpinnings. Every day.
34:08
Every day. Every day.
34:10
You gotta feel sorry for accurate, haven't you?
34:12
Because like what, what are they as a car company?
34:15
Because they produce 2 SUV's and then they produce this
34:19
fantastic, you know, 4 door sedan and you know, they're not
34:25
really competing with Lexus, are they?
34:26
Because. No, they've really gone two
34:28
different directions, right? And and I would take that that
34:31
Integra over the Lexus any day. But it's, you know, for an
34:34
appliance, an electric, you know, just conveyance that Lexus
34:37
was hard to beat. But as A1 car does it all, you
34:41
know, engaging car that that Integra was just fantastic.
34:45
I implore everyone listening to go out and and and drive a new
34:49
Acura. And I haven't driven the the
34:51
type S and that may be even, you know, that much better.
34:53
But I thought that this this a spec was really the sweet spot.
34:57
200 horsepower was not a lot in 2026.
34:59
Zero to 60. I think in this thing's like 7.3
35:01
seconds at sea level, but it feels faster.
35:04
And when you get in a car like that, that, you know, screw the,
35:08
you know, the performance numbers, it's just so engaging.
35:11
It's just so sweet to drive. And then like I said on the last
35:14
show, you forget that they still make cars like this.
35:17
It was just exceptionally, exceptionally good.
35:19
And they, I hope they keep making it because it's the best
35:22
thing I've driven in a long, long time.
35:24
So yeah. So is it a viable replacement
35:27
for the pole *? I don't think so, only because
35:29
it's front wheel drive only and being here in Colorado,
35:33
all-wheel drive is really, really nice.
35:35
But. Guess who's moving to California
35:37
so he can go to my favorite car? I think it would be the perfect
35:40
car for someone with a commute right who still wants to take it
35:43
up in the canyons. Again, it's not the fastest
35:45
thing in the world, but it I I bet it would keep up with a lot
35:48
of a lot more powerful stuff in the canyons just because the
35:51
drive and dynamics are so exceptional.
35:53
Yeah, no, they they could I I had the S for about I guess a
35:59
week and did about 600 miles in one.
36:03
Oh, wow. And it was the official Long
36:06
Beach pace car. So what are the?
36:10
Gold ones. Yeah, but it's such an engaging
36:14
Dr. The you want the Civic for the seats, but you want the full
36:19
experience. You want the the Integra.
36:21
Yeah. Good car.
36:24
I love that we were just cruising around in the gold one.
36:26
That's. That's right with the flashing.
36:27
Visual, yeah. That's way cooler than what I
36:29
drew. Yeah, I mean, we were stuck in
36:32
traffic a few times. I was just like, still there.
36:34
Let's put the lights on. That's.
36:36
Right. All these strobe lights on the
36:38
roof. The only thing is it had he'd
36:40
only done like over 1000 miles, but he had done 1000 track
36:43
miles. So the brakes were so squeaky.
36:47
Yeah. It's like they're track breaks
36:49
everyone. They're supposed to sound that
36:50
way. Yeah, I was.
36:51
I was told by Jake and Acura that if I want to take this car
36:54
for a week I should do it before Pikes Peak because once the hill
36:58
climb comes to town then all the Acuras in the local fleet are
37:01
are given out as as courtesy vehicles.
37:05
And yeah, I I bet those brakes will be squeaking too by the end
37:08
of that. Week What are you waiting for?
37:10
Get on him. Wonderful car.
37:13
When is Pikes Peak? I don't know exactly, but I did
37:17
make it. Up.
37:18
For what they call tire testing day.
37:21
Which I think. This was great.
37:23
I think tire testing, I don't know if it, I think it's a
37:25
practice day. I think it's like, you know,
37:27
carburetion day, right? It's kind of a term that's, you
37:30
know, maybe just a term anymore, but it's a practice day.
37:34
It's the first day for these guys to go out and you can
37:36
practice either the lower section or the upper section,
37:38
but not both. And the reason they do that is
37:40
then they have people practicing on both sections.
37:42
And we got up, It was our our buddy Brendan Garth's 40th
37:46
birthday. And so I was very honored that
37:49
he invited me and a handful of other people, including Jake
37:52
from Shift Colorado and also our buddies John and Louis Deisty
37:57
take it up way too early. And I So I got all of 10 minutes
38:02
of sleep before I had to get up at 1 and drive up to Arvada, Co
38:06
to meet Dan is a. Dan, it sounds.
38:09
Like he got two more hours of sleep than when you were with.
38:12
Him, yeah. Did you forget the camera there?
38:15
You guys got more I think. Yeah, I roll up to Brendan's
38:18
house and of course it's dark. I've never been on the street.
38:21
I knew right away which house is Brendan's because he's got a
38:24
four car garage, but parked outside were a Hyundai Santa
38:29
Cruz, that little pickup truck, his Kia EV9 electric and then
38:35
his papaya orange McLaren. Those are the cars that are
38:38
outside because inside he's got some sort of Viper, a DeLorean,
38:44
and then two or quattros. So it's like.
38:47
Just in case you need to go back in time.
38:49
I found it but we had such a 40. Isn't he?
38:53
I know well CPA, he knows how to work the numbers right.
38:57
I just. But we had so much fun.
38:59
We drove down, we drove like a bat out of hell down to Colorado
39:02
Springs, got on the mountain by 3:30, met up with the Dicedies.
39:06
There's a terrible video of me and and Jake from the magazine
39:11
sleeping in the car. Every time he.
39:16
Said Jake. I'd just hear from State Farm in
39:18
my. Yeah, yeah.
39:20
Apologies to Jake from not State Farm, but.
39:23
Yeah, this is Jake from Shift Colorado.
39:26
But we had so much fun and and I don't know, another Motorsports
39:29
event that you can get access like that where we were just up
39:33
on the mountain crew, right. But you know, we were right
39:36
there in the middle of it that that electric vehicle thing that
39:39
Ford reskins every year and runs was there and it just it, it
39:44
fires up like a turbine engine and it just, it just goes puff
39:47
of smoke and then it's halfway up the mountain.
39:48
It was incredible. And we've even had breakfast
39:51
with a couple of the drivers after.
39:53
It's super casual, You know, it's, it's, it's, it's a pretty
39:56
special event. Pikes Peak.
39:58
It's, it's, it's, there's really nothing else like it.
40:00
And it's, you know, that's on the world class stage like that.
40:03
It's it's a pretty cool experience and it was a fun, fun
40:06
morning, although I'm tired for the next three days, so.
40:11
Any sign of what? I did not see him, no.
40:15
He may have been on the lower, the lower half.
40:17
We were on the upper half, but. Well, you saw him on your other
40:20
adventure though, didn't you? Just organically.
40:23
Yeah, I don't know if I talked about that.
40:24
We went to Aspen a couple weeks back.
40:27
A couple buddies shout out Eric Boehner and one of his buddies.
40:31
Eric's got a Spider Rs. His buddy was in a supercharged
40:34
Corvette C8. And we had a lot of fun driving
40:38
to Aspen and back. All the wonderful passes, the
40:40
roads that are in that area, McClure Pass, Independence Pass,
40:43
this kind of thing. Couple of the highlights were
40:46
yes, seeing Jeff Aswart and what appeared to be a singer from a
40:49
distance, and then also being seated across from John Oates
40:52
from Hall and Oates at a steakhouse we went to for
40:55
dinner. That's fantastic.
40:57
It's like, but you didn't have to go.
41:00
That's right, we had such a good time.
41:02
It, it's one thing to drive the the roads near home, right?
41:05
It's another to to get out and drive the best roads your state
41:08
has to offer. And and you know, fortunately,
41:10
at least here in Colorado, takes an overnight trip.
41:12
But it was awesome. Only broke my windshield and,
41:16
you know, burned through some rubber.
41:18
But it was a wonderful time and. That's it.
41:21
Yeah. Nice.
41:22
What else? What else do we get in the news?
41:25
What else is on that list? I'm just trying to it's not dark
41:29
and I'm going to be Porsche and Toy Story.
41:31
Did you guys see this? I didn't, can you fill me in so?
41:37
They've done a collaboration to celebrate Toy Story 5 and I
41:43
think the underlying message, which I'll talk about in a
41:45
minute, but they've done 3 limited edition cars that
41:50
attributes to characters in Toy Story.
41:54
So the one that's probably the most interesting is the Buzz
41:58
Lightyear. So they've taken a GT3 Rs.
42:02
They have basically put a color scheme the same as Buzz's space
42:08
outfit worked with Goodyear to get special permission to change
42:14
the tires to Lightyear. But it does make you wonder why
42:21
there's also a Woody edition, which is it's wood.
42:25
Panelling on it, please tell me. It's not no, but it does have
42:29
like a denim type glaze and then when you open it up it's got
42:34
like. A ham.
42:35
What's a glaze? Telling me about the denim
42:38
glaze. It's like a denim colour.
42:40
It looks like a denim. OK, hand job.
42:44
And then when you open it up, it's like it's got the the cow
42:47
pattern carpets. And because he wears that as a
42:50
waistcoat. Yeah, you don't have to base the
42:54
car. It's OK.
42:55
But I think the actual underlying thing is something
42:58
else and I think it is that you can expect to see Porsche
43:02
doubling down if not trebling down on Sundavanche.
43:06
So Sundavanche is the special wishes department.
43:09
I think we're commercially Porsche are right now.
43:12
I think they need to make more money and one of the ways that
43:15
they make more money is by doing more with that unit.
43:20
Right. So you know, I think there was
43:24
also in the press like a week ago, I think it was Moldova or
43:27
somewhere in the Eastern Europeans, there was like a
43:30
limited edition Sundivant car. I think you can expect big
43:35
Sundivant stuff at car week and I'm not talking out of turn, but
43:40
it doesn't I think it's going to be, you know, a way to increase,
43:44
you know, we talked about it with Ferrari and then their
43:46
their expertise at you know, getting the most out of a
43:49
customer in one car and I think. That's a way to highlight, yeah,
43:53
to showcase the capabilities. I mean, and they did, if you
43:56
look back, you know, they did the Sally Carrera from cars.
44:01
I think that was 2022 possibly, and they ended up auctioning it
44:07
off for charity and I think it went for 3.1 million.
44:10
So they did that, you know, and then they've had her at Ren's
44:14
board and various, you know, events around, I mean, and
44:18
that's another way to show off the cylinder vunch capabilities.
44:21
So yeah, I think you're right, Dan.
44:24
It's it's funny though, because, you know, there was a time we
44:26
didn't even know that existed, that program.
44:28
Right, right, right. And it really was exclusive,
44:31
right? And and then it's.
44:33
You didn't know it. Exists and that's.
44:35
I could tell you, but then they'd have to kill you.
44:37
You can't afford it, right? Yeah, you know, and now, I mean,
44:40
there's gotta, there's gonna have to be something even more
44:42
exclusive now, right Again. Right.
44:44
It's like, you know, like when the Platinum card, right,
44:47
American Express, that was a big deal until everyone had one and
44:50
then they went to the Black card or whatever, right?
44:52
I feel like they're going to have to go to the Sunder, Sunder
44:55
Vunch or something because there's going to be a certain
44:58
element of enthusiasts who are going to demand more
45:00
exclusivity. And so it'll be interesting to
45:03
see, you know, where that that goes.
45:06
And, and Speaking of special wishes, I don't know how you say
45:08
it in Italian, but you saw another, yet another prediction
45:13
that we've been making for years that seems to be coming true.
45:16
And that's that Ferrari is teasing finally a manual
45:19
Ferrari, right? The 12 cylinder, right?
45:23
And, and so, and I think that's where you know, the future is
45:27
going to go because they can charge whatever they want for
45:30
that, right? And, and maybe that's where
45:32
Porsche goes. They start offering manual turbo
45:34
S s right, or or GT twos or GT3RS right.
45:39
So it it goes beyond the cosmetic and and and really gets
45:45
back into the mechanical side of things and because what, what,
45:47
what more can you make exclusive?
45:49
Where, where where can you apply these these special wishes?
45:52
But you know, mechanically, I guess, I guess moving.
45:55
Forward, I think it's people's imaginations as well, right?
45:58
It's so there are enough people with blank checkbooks that you
46:02
know, I think there was a there was a car event like a Luft in
46:06
in the far. Where was it?
46:08
It was in Dubai or Saudi Arabia or something.
46:11
And they there was a brand new manual Cayenne I think, and that
46:18
was a son Divanche. OK, OK.
46:21
So I think you come with, you know, you come with the ideas
46:26
and Porsche have potentially increased their staff to be able
46:31
to accommodate those ideas and, and basically because the the
46:36
money talks, you know, there's more profit to be had.
46:40
They're ready and waiting to make your dreams come true.
46:43
Yeah, standing by. You remember, so Dan, you're the
46:46
resident Brett, was it was it Rolls Royce or Bentley, who
46:49
would often refuse the wishes of their of their clients?
46:53
So they wouldn't do, for example, a a pink, you know,
46:56
Rolls Royce, but one would do it and the other wouldn't, right.
47:00
So I don't know if Bentley were the easy ones or Rolls Royce,
47:03
but you know, I think that's all gone now.
47:06
You whatever you want, If you've got enough money, right, you
47:08
know, they'll they'll they'll do it.
47:09
And I can't imagine what it cost to engineer a one off manual
47:14
kind. No, but it's but you talk about
47:18
Bentley, you know, just give everyone a heads up.
47:20
If you haven't seen the latest Chris Harris video, he takes
47:24
Bentley out with the CEO of Bentley.
47:26
And it's a really interesting video because the guy who's the
47:29
CEOI can't remember his name, but he basically worked on the
47:32
Porsche GT products all his career and he was there in the
47:36
background. And he gets this opportunity to
47:38
become CEO of Bentley, and he's going to do some really cool
47:41
stuff with the brand. It's Frank Volliser.
47:46
Is it? Yeah, I believe.
47:48
Or, or Frank, as Lindsay calls him.
47:51
Right, Frankie, my buddy Frankie.
47:54
Yeah, it's a really good video. Yeah.
47:57
I'm doing a really good stuff, Bentley.
48:00
Well, I don't, I mean, I know at the last run sport, I know Laura
48:04
had a chance to do a it was like a behind the scenes meet and
48:08
greet with some of the people from Sondra Von I think.
48:11
And you know, you talk about like one of the car companies
48:14
declining to make someone's dream come true.
48:17
And I think what they said was we do have consultants and if
48:21
somebody comes in with a dream that we don't think will sort of
48:26
complement, like we don't think it will look the way they expect
48:30
it to look once it's in real life, you know, on a real car,
48:34
they're like, we do do our best to sort of guide them.
48:37
But if somebody's really committed to their vision, we'll
48:39
make it happen. Well, so there's like a Fashion
48:43
Police. They're like, we try up to a
48:47
point, and then if you're really really, you know, determined to
48:49
have this specific dream, then we grab your hand and we go for
48:53
it. You you know, who won't do that
48:55
is is Corvette. And I think we mentioned in an
48:57
earlier show how Corvette should, you know, start to do
49:00
some sort of Sonder Vuch program, right?
49:03
Because as, as the prices of, of Corvettes, especially, you know,
49:06
cars like the 06 and the 01, I mean, we're, we're competing in
49:10
a different, you know, a different strata, right, of car
49:13
buyers. Now, as far as I know, Corvette,
49:16
you know, GM has never done anything like that.
49:18
And I, I think that would be a way where hell, I mean, who
49:20
can't, you know, who can't use a little extra cash right in their
49:24
corporate coffers, right? I mean, if I could go get a
49:26
mirror Blau C8 06, like now we're talking, right, that
49:32
would, you know, that might be enough to draw to draw a Porsche
49:34
person over to a Corvette who, you know, who otherwise wouldn't
49:37
be interested. And so, yeah, I think now with
49:39
technology and and AI and I mean, that's the that's the
49:43
catch, all right, with the AI, you know, these car cars can do
49:46
this kind. Of the AI and they're saying
49:49
yes. So you know, I mean, hell, let's
49:52
let's let's do it. Let's do it.
49:54
You know, I wanna I wanna a Volkswagen R right and and
49:57
Brewster green. You know, how cool would that
49:59
be? Right, so.
50:01
You'd be the only guy with one. Heard it here first.
50:04
I think that's a wrapper. I know you just get wrapped.
50:09
Should. We is that a mic drop or Yeah.
50:15
What have we got coming up? I mean, Lindsay, have you got
50:18
any? You're not going to tease the
50:19
next car, right? You're going to wait and just
50:21
that. Yeah, you got to wait and see.
50:23
But I do have something else coming up.
50:25
But wait, wait, we heard about car one, right?
50:29
We didn't really hear much about the Lucid, did you?
50:32
No, but I mean I'm still I think it's probably best to wait until
50:35
my time is done. But there is a third car.
50:38
There is a third car. OK, it's going to be hard to top
50:41
the the lucid I imagine. Right.
50:43
I know well, and I will say this until we talk about it in depth,
50:46
I am really enjoying it. It's the first EV that I've
50:50
spent, you know any appreciable amount of time with.
50:53
So that's been really interesting.
50:55
The learning curve has been less than I anticipated and it's made
51:01
it really interesting going directly from the Land Cruiser
51:03
to the Air. But you know, it's keeps it
51:07
exciting. So so yeah, stay tuned for more
51:10
in depth discussion once I'm done with the Lucid and then
51:14
stay tuned to see what I have after the Lucid.
51:16
Yeah, I can't, I can't wait. I I just took delivery or rented
51:22
a Mazda CX-50 today. Nice going.
51:26
To put some miles on it. The first thing I did when I got
51:29
home is I cracked the windows and checked Amazon for a an
51:34
ozone bomb because someone I think had probably ubered it for
51:39
a while and it had that that Seinfeld esque funk.
51:44
And so hopefully we're going to spend 2000 miles in this thing.
51:48
I want this thing to to you know, to, to to not kill us.
51:52
But pretty nice little vehicle. This is just the base car, the
51:55
non turbo 4, I'm almost positive, but a nice a nice, a
51:59
nice package. I know car and driver awarded it
52:02
something at least the turbo version this year is, is one of
52:05
the better cars in the class. So I'm excited to put some miles
52:08
on it. But real quick in the in in the
52:12
rental car line, because we know we get our best stories from
52:16
from the the car. Did you not ask if you got
52:18
anything fun? I did ask, and so that's how I
52:22
ended up with the Mazda instead of a Chevy Traverse stand.
52:25
There we go. So yeah, smelly or not, I'd
52:27
still rather take the take the Mazda.
52:30
But while I was waiting for them to clean the Mazda for me
52:33
because it had just been returned and I figured it'd be a
52:35
better option than the Traverse, a couple came in dressed in
52:40
matching pink velour Las Vegas branded track suits.
52:45
Who were? This sounds amazing already.
52:49
Honeymooning. Well, I it was an interesting
52:53
couple and I'll leave it at that.
52:56
I don't know if the. Subscribe to Patreon to hear
52:58
Ryan's unfiltered couple. It was two women.
53:02
I'm not sure if the younger woman was a spouse or a
53:05
daughter, but they had just, I think brought this thing back
53:08
from Las Vegas and they had chipped the window and they were
53:11
being very kind of decent about reporting this thing.
53:14
But the outfits I wanted so badly to take a picture.
53:17
But as I was trying to maneuver my camera, a guy walked in the
53:21
door and he was obviously from a, you know, from a foreign
53:23
land. He was, you know, I don't know
53:26
if Italian or Polish or something.
53:28
And he comes in and he said I, you know, I'm sorry, I just, I
53:32
just rented this car. I took it out 10 minutes ago but
53:36
I I had paid extra for the navigation and I can't figure
53:40
out how to use it. This poor sucker had used some
53:43
sort of third party booking site to add on navigation.
53:49
Do you remember like they used to have these?
53:50
What were the? Garment.
53:52
Boxes that yeah, right and. You'd throw on the dash and they
53:55
had like a weighted octopus on the bottom that was supposed to
53:58
like, keep it in place. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
54:00
In the. Sand.
54:01
And the guy behind the counter said, you know, Sir, we haven't
54:04
had these stand alone GPS units in probably 8 or 9 years, right?
54:08
But apparently booking.com is still charging an add on fee of
54:12
$25 a day for navigation unit. And I can see this guy, he
54:16
doesn't want to run data in a foreign country trying to get
54:18
around Colorado, right? And and I felt so bad for the
54:22
guy, you know? He's like, So what you're
54:24
telling me is there is no standalone Garmin unit that I
54:27
can borrow, so I. Don't know if that's still a
54:29
thing in Europe or whatever, but it's I haven't even thought
54:31
about that in years, much less try to try to, you know, order
54:34
one for my rental car. So, but no head on.
54:37
Sorry. Yeah, it got real dark.
54:43
Literally unfigurative. Yeah, yeah.
54:45
So, yeah, you know, I'm telling you, I think a perfect reality
54:49
show would just be like, at the budget rental counter, right, To
54:51
watch these people come in, There was someone else who was
54:54
jumping through every hoop to use a debit card versus a credit
54:57
card to rent a car. And he just, yeah, you just kind
55:01
of felt sorry for them. At some point it's not worth it.
55:03
Just pull out your credit card. Yeah.
55:07
Well, if I guess if you don't have one, but that's a great
55:09
house for right, that's right. Of course, any.
55:11
Confessions of a of a rental car desk clerk.
55:16
Yeah, I hear Costco very good for car rental.
55:21
I've never tried that. Where do the cars come from?
55:23
There's they still come from Enterprise.
55:25
Yeah, it's usual. I've not used it, but apparently
55:28
you get, I can drive it free and if you've got Costco membership,
55:33
it's it's cheaper. I've not I've not got membership
55:36
but but there's your consumer advice for the week.
55:39
Yes, yes. And Dan, by the way, when I did
55:41
say did you have anything fun, you know this wasn't the airport
55:45
in LA, right? So or Monterey during car, yeah.
55:49
Right, right, right. So Mazda CX-50 it was, but it'll
55:52
be a a good car I'm sure so. That's wild.
55:56
You can't go wrong with that over a Chevrolet Blazer, right?
55:59
Absolutely. So your.
56:00
Advice. I mean, I think just for the
56:02
sake of content we probably need to be one of us renting a car
56:05
once a month and just hang out at the rental counter for a
56:07
while, collect some stories. I think Lindsay can do 52 weeks
56:13
of press cars. I know you're on a roll.
56:16
Hey, with any luck right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
56:19
It's a worthy goal. Yes, yes, this lucid that you
56:23
have, OK, because this isn't the same one that Spike's got,
56:27
obviously because you have them at the same time.
56:29
Concurrently, it's currently. Is the word.
56:32
Magic of podcasting. We are driving the same car in
56:35
the same week, different ends of the West Coast.
56:38
I was going to give you props for getting it first, but.
56:41
But actually he had a different one.
56:43
He had a different one. Was it a yeah?
56:46
He's now got the sapphire. We don't.
56:49
Have the sapphire do you? No, I have the air touring.
56:54
What did he have? Did he have the gravity?
56:56
Or didn't have an air touring I think.
56:57
And then he got the Sapphire. OK.
57:00
So what we're hearing is the progression is I will be getting
57:02
the Sapphire next. Yes, yes, I all live in Spike's
57:06
shadow, but. Yeah.
57:09
And then? Yeah.
57:12
That's. Right, exactly.
57:15
I got to drive. I got to drive the gravity at
57:18
Mudfest, which is their SUV kind of crossover ish silhouette.
57:23
And then obviously I'm getting to spend the week with the Air
57:26
Touring, which is their sedan, which.
57:28
Is cool. Yeah.
57:30
Well, good on us, good on you. I mean, right, Life is good.
57:34
Yeah. Well, I've got a, I've got a
57:36
U-Haul coming up. You know what?
57:40
It's potato. Potato.
57:41
Really. Wait till we get to that rental
57:43
counter, Dean. There we go.
57:45
It's I'm. Scary to say.
57:47
Do you have anything fun at EU Haul counter?
57:50
It's I think apparently you, you don't even go to the counter.
57:54
You have to do it over the phone with a person and like show them
57:57
your driver's license. And it's slightly different from
58:01
the last time I rented one, but. One more U-Haul thing in the
58:05
news yesterday, U-Haul was very proud because they just
58:08
introduced their biggest, I guess most luxurious model yet.
58:13
It's built on a a Peterbilt. So Peterbilt is usually a
58:16
vehicle that most people without ACDL can't drive, right?
58:19
These are these semi trucks, these over the road trucks, but
58:22
they now have one that's built on a Peterbilt.
58:25
I think it's gas powered not diesel powered but it is the
58:28
biggest heaviest vehicle that you can rent without ACDL.
58:32
And the funny part is the cut off for needing a CDL is 26,000
58:36
lbs I believe. Guess how much this new U-Haul
58:39
weighs? 2559. 2599. 9 Dang.
58:48
Just don't put anything in the back anyway.
58:53
It's like when you see people look at like the towing capacity
58:56
or the load bearing, whatever and they're like, so we can go
58:58
up to that, right? Yeah, sure.
59:01
Yeah, We wish you all the luck in the world.
59:06
Thank you. I'll be thinking of you and your
59:07
Lucid and your master. I'll be in a Ford truck, right
59:13
I'm. Telling yourself it's the same
59:15
difference and we're all just out here living the dream.
59:18
Or Peterbilt, if you're lucky. Yeah, there we go.
59:21
There we go. Well, I think we're a show,
59:22
aren't we? Yeah, I.
59:23
Think so. Thanks.
59:24
Thanks guys. Yeah.
59:26
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