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How did gynocentric culture come about? | HBR Talk 305 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello, and welcome to this time. We had our technical difficulties before the
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  show with the Honey Badgers. Welcome to HBr Talk three five. How did
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  guyinus centrism come about? I'm your host Hannah Wallen, who screwed everything up
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  today here with nonsense annihilator Lauren Brooks and the personification of perceptivity Mike Stevenson,
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  and tonight, now that I've got my shit together, we're going on a
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  related tangent before we dip more into the history of suffrage because some discussion after
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  last week's show kind of showed me that we need to. So I'm gonna
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  take us down the guyness centrism road because the discussion that we had last week
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  on the show kind of kind of led to that. So there we go.
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  But before we get into all that, we gotta do what we gotta
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  the drop down menu at the top of the page. So last week we
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  looked at the well, before I get into that, we've recently looked at
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  how voting rights evolved in Western culture, and some information about that evolution took
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  us up to last week. The evolution and adaptation of ancient humans that made
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  it a lot less sensible to exempt women from any kind of service, and
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  especially you know women's women's one big exemption was military service. But we haven't
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  really discussed how cultural developments changed the formula. So tonight we're going to look
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  at the first of two articles. HBr talk is going to go over to
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  get that more subtle than the discussion before we continue with suffrage. This tangent
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  will continue to the or contribute to the completeness of the discussion. It'll continue
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  probably this week, next week, and possibly a third week, depending on
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  the links of the articles. And if we finished this one this week,
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  then we'll start the next article. If we don't finish this one this week
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  and we do finish it next week and we have time, we'll start the
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  next article. So we'll just take these as a continuous discussion, because I
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  think this is something that has to be understood in order to understand where we
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  got from women being big and strong in comparison to today's women, even though
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  they would not have compared to the men of the time as as closely as
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  maybe other men would. But in any case, at least we're not an
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  insufferable feminist one. Yeah, yeah, based we do at some point have
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  to go back and look at the rest of Michael Flood's page, though,
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  but we don't have to do that today. We still got to go over
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  here. The one thing that we haven't gone over is he's got a woozle.
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  He's trying to promote the idea that men kill women and women don't kill
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  men, and and it's bullshit like but I mean, we all, we
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  all kind of expect bullshit from Michael Flood, not even the useful kind,
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  like useful bullshit you can put on a field and and let it soak into
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  the ground and compost and then grow food in that field and it'll grow better
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  and then you get better food, you get more. But no, no,
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  he's got insufferable bullshit to share, and so we can't even do that
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  with it, although we might be able to have a fertile discussion. But
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  in any case, we we are going to take a look at another puzzle
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  piece as to why throughout, like the medieval era and later women's women's community
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  expectations were lower than men and and in particular no military service. By the
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  way, apparently I'm quite low, and I can only assume Lauren is also
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  low, though she hasn't talked much. Can Can you turn up the desktop
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  audio and your obs let me see? Am I okay? Sounds good to
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  me, but we're on discord and the audience isaring it through obs. Okay,
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  you can that desktop up and mike down. Yeah, Usually it's the
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  other way around. Something has I haven't really changed a lot of stuff.
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  I have been going over in the after show a video with two different levels
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  of sound in it, and and they're significantly different. And I'm different,
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  and I've been having to flip back and forth with OBS. So talk again,
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  test test test testing these testicles? Is that better, audience? It
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  looks better? So I'm seeing when I talk and when you talk the little
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  graph that shows that the levels is pretty close. So let's grab our article
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  here. This is so this we may have to go over later, but
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  I'm going to get back into the kain of centriculture art. This This website
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  is Peter Wright's website. I consider this to be reference material. If you're
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  not familiar with it, you should be. Every everybody who discusses men's issues
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  should familiarize themselves with this website. But in any case, just just because
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  it is again very relevant to what we have been discussing, I'm going to
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  go over this particular article today. Guy acentric culture is the title, and
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  it really touches on the area of history that we've been going over. It
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  starts with prehistoric and then gets goes a little farther forward. So he starts
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  out, did female centered culture begin in the prehistoric area era? And remember
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  we've gone over guyocentrism as a definition before. If you're not a regular listener
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  on the show, guyescentric culture is a dominant focus on women in a culture
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  and women's interests in particular under law and policy and cultural standards as well.
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  So a guyines centric culture would put women before men, a guy acentric culture
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  would prioritize women, women's attitudes, women's interests, women's sensibilities, and so
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  on. That's where we are. So this is this is something that's been
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  central in discussion in the men's rights movement, where feminism has its patriarchy theory
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  and patriarchy theory discusses a conspiracy, whether deliberate or not, wherein men designed
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  all of civilization to oppress women for the benefit of men. Guynes Centrism is
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  more about social attitudes and how they contribute to how both sexes kind of design
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  civilization. Maybe not deliberately either, So where feminists are citing things like the
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  idea that women couldn't get bank accounts, which isn't entirely true, and we'll
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  probably have to go over some historical context for that as well, But the
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  idea that women couldn't work, the idea that women couldn't do a bunch of
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  different things because men wouldn't let them. We're looking more at more the idea
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  that people just didn't do things a certain way, and people didn't question that
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  as it evolved, except there is some deliberate shaping to guinescentrism. So the
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  question that is sometimes asked by people who feel that guinescentrism has been around for
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  the entirety of human evolution. The answer to that question is, of course,
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  yes, isolated examples of guinocentrism have been around throughout human history. However,
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  it's important to make a distinction between individual examples of ginocentrism, that is,
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  individual ginocentric impulses, acts, customs, or events, and ginocentric culture,
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  a pervasive cultural complex that affects every aspect of life. We will never
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  be precise enough to make sense of this subject unless we insist on the distinction
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  between ginocentric acts and ginocentric culture. And when I first read this, the
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  first thing that struck me is, you know, we do have some things
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  throughout human history that have been cited as evidence of ginocentric culture. And when
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  you look at them, it's things that they make sense in terms of why
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  people would do them, but they don't necessarily make sense as a defining factor
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  in the entire culture of the people doing them. So, for instance,
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  before we had an understanding of the biological aspects of human reproduction, it must
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  have looked like magic when women had babies. At the same time, we
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  recognize that pregnancy the way pregnancy looks today in particular, but but pregnancy in
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  general affects a woman as she turns out slowly turns into a weebel for nine
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  months, like affects a woman's mobility, her flexibility, her energy levels,
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  and so on. So you get early in the pregnancy, it's not that
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  bad. But as you get to the point where it's closer to when she's
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  gonna have a baby, and it's more obvious that she's pregnant and she's going
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  to behave differently and she's gonna have different needs than she would normally have,
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  and then she's also going to have different functionality than she would normally have,
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  and those are all going to be noticed by the people around her. And
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  there are biological changes that happen that cause a level of dedication in the father.
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  So you have like, you have this it's not it probably felt like
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  magic there too, but you have this this uh, a sudden not change
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  so much, but deepening of like how how close the couple might be,
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  a little bit of deepening of how important her needs become to him. And
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  then when the baby's born, you know, then they change some attitudes there
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  as well. Uh. And so you're going to see a little bit of
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  a little bit of guyinocentric behavior there, But it doesn't necessarily mean an entire
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  culture is wrapped around that. Once she's not tending an infant, once she's
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  not pregnant and not unable to move around as easily and so on, and
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  then she's going to go back to survival mode. And you know, back
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  in ancient history, like you really couldn't just not do that. You really
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  couldn't just sit back and leave it to the guy, leave it to the
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  rest of your community for a long time because you didn't feel like working or
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  because you had difficulty, you know, you would end up starving and you
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  didn't have all the luxuries that we have today. So there you go.
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  But so we have I think that's the well and Dorf goddess the image there
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  for people in the podcast that I can't see the picture, the image that
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  he used at the top. For anyone who thinks porn is some kind of
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  modern inventions, it's the earliest recorded statue. And for all the statues that
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  human beings have created over the years, the idea that that's the earliest one.
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  What to tell you that pawn pre dates any other kind of art,
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  which, which I guess might be what what led people to describe prostitution as
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  the earliest art form or earliest job or whatever it was. I mean,
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  by all accountable accounts, it was certainly the earliest form of art, which
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  sort of makes sense. Yep. Well, and you know, we went
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  through periods of human history where it was displayed publicly everywhere, nude statues,
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  nude imagery, everything, where it didn't seem to be a thing that people
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  cared about or got upset about in terms of nobody should look at this.
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  They cared about it in terms of accuracy and esthetics, but it wasn't There
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  wasn't something that they freaked out over the way people freak out over it today.
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  So I think a lot of the modern discussion about maybe porn addiction and
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  things like that might be lacking just in the fact that we do know that
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  this has been a thing throughout history, that the human race has studied the
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  human form throughout history, and that the human race has had an esthetic appreciation
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  for the human form, you know, throughout human history, to the degree
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  that we've created artwork of it. Long after we created clothing, and long
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  after clothing evolved into fashion, like, we still were appreciating the human form
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  and associating that appreciation with health and with reproduction and with art and artistic expression
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  and so on. Like, there's quite a bit of history that there's no
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  point at which we didn't. And you might wonder if this was never meant
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  to represent a sexual figure. Maybe it was just someone's appreciation of their mother
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  figure, because nowadays we associate this kind of thing with a somewhat sagged,
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  middle aged body. But I remind you, this is from the Stone Age,
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  when very few people looked like this. Very few people could consume enough
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  calories to end up looking like this, And I think this is why archaeologists
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  have concluded that this was It's what we call hypernormal stimuli. It's for the
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  same way that the baby birds will will peck even more incessantly at a piece
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  of wood that's painted with the same colors as the beak of its mother,
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  as long as it's painted even more brightly with those colors. And I think
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  this is why. This is why I assumed that even those such body types
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  scarcely existed in the Stone Age, they were imagined in the Stone Age,
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  I guess. I guess because men men are attracted to a little bit more
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  junk in the trunk than they were used to. And I know this is
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  hard to imagine nowadays, that we're surrounded by women with that much junk in
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  the trunk. Nowadays, what's exotic is thin women or at least mid ranged
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  women with with you know, with who are not who are not so skinny
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  that they resemble twinks, and not so fat that they resemble lizo. What's
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  what's attractive nowadays is the middle bit. That's that's neither celebrity like or hideous
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  fat pigs of wives that men have. Well, it's a it's a different
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  line. Like it used to be a sign of poverty for women to be
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  super skinny. It used to be a sign of poverty back in the day
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  when food was a struggle, right, because this is this is from after
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  the ice Age, So back in the day when food was a struggle,
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  or at least more of a struggle than it is today. By a long
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  shot. The idea of being super super overweight would be an individual who had
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  a lot of wealth and a lot of leisure, whereas today a person who
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  has a lot of wealth and a lot of leisure, a lot of leisure
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  time would be more likely to because we're more as a as individuals, we're
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  more understanding about our health. We know more, we understand more, and
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  we have it as a goal more. Right, So you have people who
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  are rich are more likely to be slim and honed where you know, poor
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  people are more likely to be overweight in the In the Stone Age, men
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  were more attracted to women with two pounds of fat on their body rather than
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  one pounds of fat. That was about. That was about as much as
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  they could fantasize about it. But you know, when it came to making
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  statuettes like this, they would extend that infatuation to to to certus like this,
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  much much like men nowadays extend extend their infatuation to women with you know,
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  fit healthy bodies with with a reasonable amount of fat and a reasonable amount
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  of muscle. And you know, the the feminists of nowadays will object to
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  that, just like I'm sure the feminists of the Stone Age would object to
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  this, probably more. They probably more likely object to whatever weird fucking be
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  be keeper head dress she's wearing on her head and what's going on that?
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  Those are beads again, beads, you know, like clay beads. You
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  braid the hair and put beads in it. But over her face, yep,
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  she probably had a beaded veil, but if you look, it goes
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  down around the back and everything. Although I'm I'm looking at this and from
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  the perspective of an individual who comes from a family of whittlers. Whittler is
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  somebody who picks up pieces of wood and with usually like a small pen knife
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  or other sharp knife, carves everything away from it except the object they see
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  in it when they pick it up. And that is the way it was
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  described to me by by whittlers. It's not I'm going to turn this,
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  uh, this this chunk of wood into a little horse. It's that kind
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  of looks like a horse. I'm going to carve away everything that is not
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  part of the horse. And so it could have been somebody like that.
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  My sculptors probably do the same thing, except they actually can choose more of
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  what they're going to turn their medium into. So it could be a perm
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  but it wouldn't be down over her face. Jan So that's that. I
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  would say that probably represents beads because that was another big sign of wealth,
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  you know, like clay beads or wooden beads, even stone beads, and
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  they did even carve gymstones into into beads as well. So like you take
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  somebody that has a lot of money that you know has not money money.
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  They wouldn't have had cash, but they might have had they would have trad
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  did, and they might have had things they bartered. And the greater likelihood
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  is that that's probably beads. But presumably some proto form of prostitution did exist
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  back then. Quite possibly maybe they had a primitive form of pimpus to kill
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  together. And it stands to reason that those stone age prostitutes would be well
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  fed, Yeah, and covered in beads so that no one could see their
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  face except their clients. Yep. Well, that's the one thing, that
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  one area where you would be unique, and that you know, the eyes
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  have always been treated as one of the sexier things about an individual, regardless
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  of what was in fashion in regard to the rest of their body. So
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  in any case, he goes on to say, it's easy to overstate the
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  import of specific examples of guinescentrism, when in fact such examples may be equally
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  balanced culturally speaking, by male centered acts, customs, or events which negate
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  the concept of a pervasive guinescentric culture. Here we are reminded of the old
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  adage that one swallow does not make a summer, and that likewise, individual
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  guinescentric acts or even a small collection of acts do not amount to a pervasive
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  guyinescentric culture. And like, what I will point out again is like there's
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  a difference between prioritizing a woman's safety a little higher or a little her ability
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  to rest and so on, being a little more lenient and careful with her
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  during and shortly after a pregnancy versus little girls from the day they're born until
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  they're elderly women and the day they die. That like as we do today,
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  where women get treated differently than men throughout their entire lives and there are
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  expectations on men that we never face like that may not have been the case
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  back then, because again, when you don't have modern medicine, and you
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  don't have modern technology, and you don't have modern ways of protecting your community,
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  your village, your tribe, or whatever against tribal warfare by the next
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  village or tribe over and war happens between groups that maybe live a day's walk
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  apart from each other, or two or three days walk apart from each other,
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  as opposed to national borders and so on, you don't have the luxury
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  of having a whole set of people within your community that doesn't have to carry
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  their weight. Individual examples of ginocentrism are sometimes misconstrued as representing a broader culture,
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  seen as in the discussion around ancient female figurines, which some claim are
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  indicators of goddess worshiping gyinessentricultures. Not only is the import of the female figuringe
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  vastly overstated, but the quantity discovered is potentially exaggerated. According to leading feminist
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  archaeologists HM, quantitative analysis of Upper Paleolithic imagery make it clear that there are
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  also images of males, and that by and large most of the imagery of
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  humans humanoids cannot readily be identified sorry as male or female. In fact,
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  no source can affirm that more than fifty percent of the imagery is recognizably female.
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  So what does that mean to me? It means that we as a
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  modern society, find these images of women, and we pay attention to that,
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  and then we find images of men as well, or images that are
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  genderless, and we ignore the men and we interpret the genderless ones as women
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  because we are gyanocentric. Yeah, when I've any cartoonist will tell you this.
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  When you try and just draw any random figure with any facial proportions that
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  just seem natural. You find it by default, it looks male, and
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  in order to make it look female, you have to shorten the nose,
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  uh maybe plump up the lips slightly, and give it eyelashes. The eyelashes
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  are crucial. It's the eyelder that that make it look female, and which
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  is weird because I think men actually have bigger eyelashes than women. Naturally.
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  It's just that, well, this is going to open a can of a
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  can of worms. But we we we general if I mean, I mean
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  cartoons are supposed to land characters on the the less human side of the uncanny
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  valley. It's it's it's to make them look less human and more like well,
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  it's literally a caricature of human and and and we in the modern age
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  are more inclined to look at non human humans as as as male in much
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  the same way as most video games, when when they give you a character
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  to play, will give you a Caucasian, brown head, slightly mesomorphic looking
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  male character. And it's not because we worship those characters. It's because we're
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  allowed to occupy those characters. And those characters can be hurt and indeed killed,
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  and no one gives a shit, and so it's it sort of stands
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  to reason that not only would we make more of those characters, but we're
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  more inclined by default to see any given genderless character as as male, because
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  it makes it easier to justify whatever happens to them. You see what I
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  mean? If you make a character that looks obviously female and then you make
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  anything bad happen to it ever, like you traditionally do in a story,
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  because bad things do need to happen to characters in a story, or else
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  it's a pointless, boring story. If you do that to female characters,
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  people will complain. Yeah, and your story will not get published, let
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  alone become popular. Or if it does, feminists will make websites documenting just
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  how terribly you treated the female character, and they'll even create tropes to track
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  how badly you treated the female character. And so, yeah, I guess
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  with primitive art forms they would they were generally they wouldn't add the details that
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  that would make it necessary for you to tell the difference. Nope, it's
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  just generic person because they wouldn't have cared male or female. So uh so
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  the uh imagery like the the goddess imagery and stuff which may or may not
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  have actually like they're It's possible that that was just something that somebody made.
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  It's also possible that it's something that somebody put a lot of care into and
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  it really was used for deity worship. It probably wasn't used by itself.
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  Like there may have also been a male figure that's been lost to time and
• 33:19
  we just don't know. But yeah, we basically are as a as a
• 33:28
  modern culture, modern civilization, modern society. We are guilty of filtering this
• 33:34
  stuff through modern attitudes, and the modern attitude that we've filtered it through doesn't
• 33:39
  really apply if you look at the imagery at What it does is it causes
• 33:51
  us to ignore information that doesn't fit our perspective and interpret information to fit our
• 34:00
  perspective when perhaps there is no interpretation needed and the information doesn't come from that
• 34:09
  type of perspective. So, even if the majority of these figurines had proven
• 34:15
  to be female, this wouldn't indicate a guyocentric culture anymore than would statues of
• 34:21
  the goddess Athena and the Parthenon built in her honor indicate that Athens. Ancient
• 34:28
  Athens was a gayinocentric city, which it was clearly not. Archaeologists have discovered
• 34:35
  stencils of female hands in ancient caves, created by the practice of spraying mud
• 34:40
  from the mouth onto a female hand. Some were led to surmise, without
• 34:45
  evidence, that those same hands served as authorship of the animals that were also
• 34:52
  painted on the walls. Additionally, these archaeologists assumed that the presence of female
• 34:57
  hand images was not or not only meant that women painted the more complex cave
• 35:02
  art, but that the entire ancient world must have consisted of a completely guinessentric
• 35:08
  culture. These assumptions show the dangers of allowing imagination to depart too far from
• 35:15
  the evidence. And all I have to say about the mud bit, I
• 35:20
  mean, how the hell do they know that it's a female hand? I'm
• 35:27
  that is, I'm stuck at that. I mean, not percent sure on
• 35:34
  that, But I do remember that we I want to say. When we
• 35:38
  were still in blog talk, we discovered some articles about how the presence of
• 35:46
  testosterone in the human body affects the growth of the digits in your hand,
• 35:52
  so your fingers have different lengths, Like if you measure your pinky finger and
• 35:59
  your middle finger, they're significantly different. It's not just shorter because it looks
• 36:04
  shorter from the angle that it's in. It's it's flat out shorter. But
• 36:08
  there you have your ring finger and your index finger, if I remember,
• 36:17
  right, are the ones that they're in men, those are close in length
• 36:22
  or the same length, whereas in women the ring finger is shorter. And
• 36:30
  I think that that has to do with your your level of testosterone in your
• 36:36
  system. But again, that's that's just something that I remember as discussing,
• 36:40
  and that would have been a discussion that took place in like twenty thirteen or
• 36:45
  twenty fourteen somewhere along there. So take it with a grain of salt,
• 36:52
  because that's that's a decade ago, and I'm old. I mean, it
• 36:58
  just it just seems to me that it could just as easily have been a
• 37:01
  child's hand of either gender. So I don't know. Okay, maybe I'm
• 37:08
  just thinking too far into it, I mean, but then again, I'm
• 37:12
  not the one who's marveling at history and counting up the females in comparison to
• 37:19
  the males. I don't know. I'm trying to imagine the differences between hunter
• 37:23
  hands and gatherer hands. Yeah, I know, as we discussed last week,
• 37:29
  men and women could both be hunters, but it was mostly male,
• 37:31
  and men and women could both be gatherers, but it was mostly female.
• 37:36
  And I suppose, if anything, gathering will knoll up your hands more than
• 37:40
  hunting does, because when hunting you just have to throw wooden things, and
• 37:45
  gathering you have to pull plants apart. Yeah, and I think the images
• 37:50
  they're talking about, it's basically like a stencil they put this. The mud
• 37:57
  that they put in their mouths was really water down. It's kind of reddish
• 38:01
  mud. And they would put their hands on the cave wall and then blow
• 38:07
  the mud onto the wall around their hands and then I guess keep them there
• 38:14
  for a minute and then put them pull them back down. So what you
• 38:16
  saw was the outline of the hand in the mud, if that makes sense.
• 38:24
  So it wouldn't have all those details, but yeah, I just like
• 38:30
  kind of looked it up. And besides the size difference, it it is
• 38:37
  uh. Modern studies show that male fingers tend to be longer than female fingers,
• 38:45
  and in particular, the index and ring fingers are significantly longer in males
• 38:50
  than in females. That's not universal, Like my I have met men with
• 38:58
  shorter index and ring fingers than me, smaller hands than me. That my
• 39:05
  ring finger is longer than my index figure. I'm looking at it right now,
• 39:08
  it's definitely by like almost an inch. Yeah, I have lots of
• 39:13
  testosterone. Yeah, well minor as well. And now I'm feeling some kind
• 39:16
  of way. Yeah, that's well, that's the other thing, Like we
• 39:21
  kind of came up with a informal question back then when we were discussing it
• 39:27
  before. Do the women in the men's rights movement have an overrepresentation of of
• 39:31
  women that are higher testosterone, you know, on the female scale of testosterone
• 39:38
  than normal or than average, because we all kind of checked our hands and
• 39:45
  we all kind of qualified as higher testosterone than than normal based on that measurement.
• 39:55
  Like none of us have gone through then later and actually gotten you can
• 40:00
  do blood testing and stuff to find out your hormone levels and everything, and
• 40:06
  none of us did that, so we are not you know, it's really
• 40:08
  really not scientific. It was just a speculation. It's possible, it may
• 40:15
  be relevant, it may not be. I don't know, but it's interesting
• 40:22
  and there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, women do have testosterone.
• 40:24
  Men do have estrogen, they don't have a lot, and women's testosterone is
• 40:30
  not anywhere near men's testosterone. But like if you have, like I get
• 40:37
  hairs on my chin, I don't get a lot of them. I have
• 40:40
  had other female family members that had a lot more than me, and so
• 40:45
  you know, it's I actually have even had a nose hair that was I
• 40:52
  would I would call it a man hair. I never want to experience that.
• 40:55
  Again, it was the most horrible thing. I don't know how you
• 41:00
  guys deal with that. But in any case, Yeah, it's there is
• 41:06
  a spectrum there too. It doesn't necessarily mean that the whole gender spectrum thing
• 41:12
  that the g mafia is all on about is accurate, But there's definitely a
• 41:17
  hormonal difference spectrum and it can affect behavior. It can affect the way you
• 41:24
  think and feel about things, and if you're aware of it, you know,
• 41:29
  and it can make life a little interesting. But yeah, and again
• 41:37
  it doesn't necessarily detract from someone's femininity or masculinity if they are not at a
• 41:42
  certain point on that spectrum, because I do think that's kind of bullshit.
• 41:49
  But but yeah, further examples of overreach are citing the the sighting of fictional
• 41:59
  material from class the classical era, such as Helen of Troy a Greek myth,
• 42:04
  or yeah, I don't know that one. That's I actually have read
• 42:12
  this article and missed that Lyssa's Strata a Greek myth, a Greek play.
• 42:16
  I don't think of it. I don't think of ever, how did I
• 42:19
  miss the existence of that? As proof of ginocentric culture? Unfortunately, these
• 42:24
  examples are about as helpful for understanding ginescentrism as would be the movie Planet of
• 42:30
  the Apes for future researchers studying the history of primates. No Richard Beer so
• 42:38
  far. But the men in my family don't get those. So I have
• 42:46
  not had hair sticking out of my ears yet, hopefully never. But you
• 42:53
  know, the nose hair thing. The thing that sucks about the nose hair
• 42:55
  thing is it pokes, and then when you try to get rid of it,
• 43:00
  you have to either stick a sharp object up your nose or uh pluck
• 43:06
  it out. And I learned the hard way that plucking it out is a
• 43:09
  mistake. Oh that is I think I sneezed for two hours after that and
• 43:17
  got a migraine. That was not something I will ever want to do again
• 43:24
  in my life. At least, the nose has on the inside of your
• 43:29
  nose are easy to pull out. You just kind of grab a thumbful and
• 43:34
  pluck it out the nose. On the heirs on the top of your nose,
• 43:37
  that's the real problem. You can grab with all your might. And
• 43:43
  I don't know. I guess that because they're on the top of your nose,
• 43:45
  they're so greasy that they just slip through your fingers and all you all
• 43:50
  you can do is attack it with tweezers. And if if you can't be
• 43:52
  bothered in either case, you just have to wait for someone else to say,
• 44:00
  you know, you've got a shitload of really long hairs on and in
• 44:04
  your nose. And that's never gonna happen because people are generally too polite to
• 44:08
  tell you that your nose is covered in hairs, and always they wouldn't because
• 44:14
  I don't it's there's there's no advantage to having any of these hairs. I
• 44:21
  mean, I guess, I guess nature knows what it's doing. Especially as
• 44:25
  you get older, Nature decides to give you really long hairs both on and
• 44:30
  in your nose, and I guess it's there to prevent something from happening,
• 44:37
  and yeah, stuff from getting in Yeah, or maybe to catch the snot
• 44:42
  in the case of nasal hairs, or to catch sweat in terms of the
• 44:46
  hairs on your nose, but in other case like thanks for your input,
• 44:52
  God, but I'm perfectly capable of wiping sweat off of my nose as when
• 44:59
  I need to and blowing my nose. I guess tissues didn't exist in the
• 45:04
  Stone Age when you invented all of this or this cocker Mamy business. Yeah.
• 45:12
  Well, there's another place that I'm not going to name that is a
• 45:15
  little bit more uncomfortable, where hair tends to live that doesn't seem to need
• 45:21
  to be there, but yet it's there. The several places on the human
• 45:25
  body like that. It only needs to be on the head in order to
• 45:30
  keep your scalp warm. Everywhere else is sort of I guess it has other
• 45:37
  functions that we seem to have forgotten. What the function? Well, you
• 45:45
  know we we didn't used to have other ways of keeping ourselves warm, right,
• 45:50
  so besides hair and cuddling, So there you go. The armpits are
• 45:57
  perfectly warm without hair because covered by your arms. So why is the hair
• 46:02
  do you know my biology teacher in year whatever it is, when I was
• 46:08
  thirteen, The explanation he attempted to give me is that in the Stone Age,
• 46:15
  babies used to grab onto the armpit hair in order to hang on to
• 46:20
  your body, because what I guess, they didn't have, you know,
• 46:24
  those sort of straps that they could keep keep you strapped, keep the baby
• 46:29
  strapped onto the to the front or the back, and so they would used
• 46:32
  to hang onto those hairs. And even at the time, I was like,
• 46:36
  wait, what really? I mean? I mean, I can't think
• 46:40
  of a better explanation as to why the fuck humans have armpit hair. So
• 46:45
  I guess I'll go with it, but I'm still not convinced. Does anyone
• 46:49
  the chat give give it? Tell us? Why do you think humans have
• 46:54
  armpit hair? What the fuck is the point in it? Exactly? Yeah,
• 46:58
  we have Richard Bierce's hair helps prevent chafing, which is pop today.
• 47:02
  We don't we have it. Why don't we have hair on our under knees?
• 47:08
  I don't know where the word is for our under knees. I'm gonna
• 47:12
  go with yeah, the backs of your knees, we don't keep those bent
• 47:16
  all the time, you know, especially back then, like people probably spend.
• 47:22
  Yeah, we run all the time. We're a very runny sort of
• 47:25
  species. For what it's still it's still not quite the equivalent, like your
• 47:31
  arms hang down by your sides all the time, so so they wouldn't chafe
• 47:37
  as much as the are constantly running. Yeah, but the chafing is from
• 47:44
  your armpit rubs against itself. The back of your knees when you're running.
• 47:47
  That doesn't that doesn't happen with the backs of your knees. They don't touch
• 47:52
  each other, like the the two halves of the back of your knee unless
• 47:55
  you run really strangely, not even like a girl. Even girls don't quite
• 48:02
  you know, like some girls do kind of look like they're trying to kick
• 48:06
  themselves in the ass when they run. But you know, and like when
• 48:12
  I was a kid, it was a little bit different. It looked like
• 48:14
  I was trying to split myself in half when I ran, because I always
• 48:16
  had long legs and I always enjoyed that, and I always like taking the
• 48:21
  biggest steps I possibly could, so I looked like I was taking great leaps
• 48:27
  forward instead of running. But then there's and then there's pubict. I mean,
• 48:32
  yeah, it's not for the same reason. According to man Man Man,
• 48:37
  it stores pheromones. Yeah, that that's and I'm like, okay,
• 48:44
  I get that, but does it have to be right in between your asshole
• 48:47
  and your you know what I mean? Like, come on this, we're
• 48:53
  going to go with the chafing rule. Then I suppose the chafing rule works
• 48:57
  then, but I get what my biology teacher told me. It's there to
• 49:00
  attract people to that particular area of the body. And I don't get why
• 49:06
  it would because it doesn't seem to you know, when I think about the
• 49:12
  whole hair thing and think about it this way, right, we're mammals.
• 49:15
  We have hair follicles because we're mammals, and we evolved from ancestors that we
• 49:24
  had in common with other hominids, other great apes. And so if you
• 49:32
  look at other great apes, they're pretty much covered head to toe in hair,
• 49:38
  and only parts of their hands and feet and faces don't have hair.
• 49:43
  And those parts are the parts that you know, they either the hands and
• 49:50
  the feet, those are constantly touching things, and you're using the skin to
• 49:55
  gather information, textures and so on, and to get grip on stuff.
• 50:00
  And hair would not necessarily be conducive to that, right. And in terms
• 50:06
  of faces, there's not much of the face in some of them that that
• 50:09
  is uncovered, and uh it might be shorter, but it's covered even in
• 50:15
  the females. So you're you're looking at what changed with us had to have
• 50:24
  been we started wearing things over over our bodies to to uh not not be
• 50:34
  cold and maybe not be exposed to the sun and the rain and maybe even
• 50:40
  protect ourselves from getting scratched up and cut up by nature because nature is mean.
• 50:50
  But that that rubbing of stuff over our bodies as we moved might have
• 50:58
  not gone well with air. And it just might be that, you know,
• 51:02
  people, people that didn't have hair all over were you know, more
• 51:07
  comfortable. And then you have to wonder why all other primates, especially chimpanzees
• 51:17
  who are most closely related to us, and especially gorillas and gibbons and all
• 51:24
  these other things who all to this day principally live in tropical areas which which
• 51:32
  are very hot. Yep, they're still covered in well, why why are
• 51:37
  they still completely covered in even more hair than than human beings are. And
• 51:42
  there's there's this, there are a hair brained theory that it's because humans became
• 51:51
  semi aquatic. We do go in the water a lot, Yeah, we
• 51:58
  we we fish a lot. We figure out how to go at the coasts
• 52:00
  and live at the coasts because there's so much food available at the coasts,
• 52:05
  and we became accustomed to to hunting for food in the water. And also
• 52:12
  you'll you'll notice that there is one scenario in which primates do walk on their
• 52:19
  hind legs, especially gibbons, and it's when they're walking through water. Yeah,
• 52:24
  because that's because that's the only option, because you can't go down or
• 52:28
  fours if you're in waiste high water, you have to you have to walk
• 52:31
  on your hind legs. Of course, there are that have hair that are
• 52:37
  aquatic, so yeah. This might also explain why humans have downward facing noses
• 52:44
  while all other primates have nostrils that face forward. It's so that the water
• 52:50
  can quickly drain from from the nose, where whereas it wouldn't if they were
• 52:54
  if they were if they were if they were forward facing. This is this
• 52:58
  is a highly con tested theory. I should I should point out that said
• 53:04
  there's never been there's never been demonstrated but it's a phone theory. Yeah,
• 53:09
  there's all there's a lot of reasons why we might have Over over the course
• 53:15
  of the human part of evolution, we lost more and more hair follicles.
• 53:22
  But I suspect that a lot of it was that the the hair got in
• 53:27
  the way, and you know, over time it just became not a thing
• 53:35
  that people selected for when they were when they were mating, and uh,
• 53:38
  it probably became a thing that people selected against. Maybe even was considered unattractive
• 53:45
  because you know, you didn't need it and it was in the way,
• 53:50
  and maybe because hair does hold a scent. Back in the you know,
• 53:55
  back in the day, bathing wasn't exactly a regular thing, especially in the
• 53:59
  winter time. You probably saw a difference in smell between people who were very
• 54:07
  hairy and people who were just normally hairy and then actually been very hairy,
• 54:12
  I mean like furry like animals, then to the degree that eventually, you
• 54:20
  know, people just didn't have it. You know. Obviously there's differences cultural,
• 54:24
  not cultural differences, but genetic differences in different parts of the world where
• 54:34
  where the race or whatever ethnic background is known for having more hair or less
• 54:43
  hair like So I guess it just depends. But in the meantime and we
• 54:51
  did, we changed from our ancestors to the degree that we have almost no
• 54:55
  body hair in comparison to other primates. So there were obviously things that affected
• 55:04
  our need for it and our preferences for it that led to uh as basically
• 55:10
  breeding it out. And I don't know, it's possible that if we didn't
• 55:16
  cover ourselves with because like we all have hair, you have hair in areas
• 55:21
  where you don't think of yourself as hairy, even if it's not highly visible.
• 55:27
  For instance, your face is covered in hair, it's just really thin
• 55:32
  and fine, or at least most people's face has a little bit of peach
• 55:36
  fuzz on it, and even even women, and the same thing with with
• 55:42
  your arms, your legs. There's there are large areas of the body that
• 55:46
  are covered in very small, fine hairs that we just don't pay attention to,
• 55:52
  and we don't think of ourselves as hairy because of that. So it's
• 55:55
  it's also possible that that if human vanity lost our memory of clothing and what
• 56:05
  it's for and ways to keep ourselves warm and so on, that hair might
• 56:13
  develop more, might grow thicker and heavier, and all that stuff. Who
• 56:16
  knows, Like I'm it's it's not really deeply important. Avil Link later says,
• 56:28
  funny thing, if you count the number of hairs on humans, we
• 56:30
  have more than other great apes in total. They're just more fine. Yeah,
• 56:35
  yeah, now that's what I'm talking about. The hair is there,
• 56:42
  it's it's just not thick and wiry like it like it is on animals that
• 56:49
  live outdoors and don't necessarily have all the luxuries that we have, so it
• 56:55
  could grow differently under different circumstances. You never know. We also have a
• 57:02
  super super chow from Richard Bierre gave us five dollars and I don't know why
• 57:10
  it does this, but it's showing the five dollars twice, which makes it
• 57:15
  look like something else. Hunting game while menstruating or even breastfeeding could easily tip
• 57:22
  your prey off to your presence or attract something that would eat a mother and
• 57:24
  infant, because infants are more delicious to many predators slash carnivores. This could
• 57:30
  be the reason a mother dog will eat the placenta and the waste of newborns
• 57:34
  to minimize attracting anything that would eat the little defenseless ones. Yeah, although,
• 57:43
  like what we learned last week was that historically there was evidence that women
• 57:46
  hunted even with babies, so but they didn't the difference that, like our
• 57:57
  scientific community had suspected, the difference was that men hunted and when women gathered.
• 58:02
  Where it looks like the difference actually was that men got up close and
• 58:07
  fought up close and women shot from a distance with with bows and arrows.
• 58:15
  So we're we're looking or through through things from a distance, So we're looking
• 58:21
  at different methods of hunting, but not not a gender difference between you know,
• 58:30
  hunting and gathering, which is kind of interesting because I would I wonder
• 58:35
  if it was similar with the gathering aspect, where perhaps men engaged in more
• 58:42
  riskier forms of gathering than women dead as well, So let's see, so
• 58:50
  we go the the next part of the article, guinescentric culture. Cultural complex
• 58:58
  refers to significant configuration of cultural traits that have major significance in the way people's
• 59:04
  lives were lived. In sociology, it is defined as a set of cultural
• 59:08
  traits, all unified and dominated by one essential trait, such as an industrial
• 59:15
  cultural complex, religious cultural complex, military cultural complex, and so on.
• 59:22
  So, for instance, a culture that is is a religious cultural complex.
• 59:30
  Their reasons for building structures might be all related to to to their religion,
• 59:38
  like they might be all about places of worship, tracking things that happen throughout
• 59:49
  the year that are of religious significance, providing a means of people from for
• 59:59
  people to visualize the religious significance, you know, whatever it was, the
• 1:00:05
  deities, the whether they worshiped, the changing the seasons, you know,
• 1:00:10
  and so on. They would have everything about their daily schedules would revolve around
• 1:00:22
  the significance of the details of their religion and the things that they have to
• 1:00:27
  do as part of their religion. And their annual schedules would as well,
• 1:00:32
  what kind of work they did, what kind of days off they took,
• 1:00:36
  what kind of celebrations the community had, how people dressed, and so on.
• 1:00:43
  And you know, I know there are probably people going you're describing a
• 1:00:46
  place right now that exists right now. But as I'm describing it, I'm
• 1:00:51
  thinking of things like Stonehinge, and you know, those things. We have
• 1:00:59
  some suspicion that those were entirely about religion, and so you have stone Hinge
• 1:01:07
  is the one that's the most well known, but you have all over Europe
• 1:01:10
  these ancient hinges that are underground, or you can see the shape of certain
• 1:01:19
  cities that they started with a hinge and so on, and it may have
• 1:01:22
  been a very common behavior, and it may have been a cultural a cultural
• 1:01:32
  complex and evidence of a cultural complex in which your entire society, where people
• 1:01:40
  lived, the positions of their homes facing like where the door was to get
• 1:01:49
  in and out, and everything may have been dictated by how you looked at
• 1:01:54
  the heavenly bodies during different seasons and so on. Like it might it might
• 1:02:00
  have very very well been a everything was dictated by their religious beliefs and practices,
• 1:02:07
  what rituals they were going to do, and so on. And so
• 1:02:12
  you would have to see that level of uh complexity, I guess, and
• 1:02:21
  that level of intricacy in the way that guynes centrism dictates what we do in
• 1:02:29
  society for for a guines centric cultural complex to exist. So let's see in
• 1:02:42
  each of these we complexes we can identify a core factor industry, religion,
• 1:02:45
  military, So we likewise require a core factor for the guiness centricultural complex in
• 1:02:51
  order for it to qualify for the title. At the core of the Guynescentric
• 1:02:54
  cultural complex is the feudalistic structure of lords and vassals. Where do we just
• 1:03:04
  talk about that, guys, A structure which eventually became adopted as a gender
• 1:03:09
  relations model, requiring men to serve as vassals to women. C. S.
• 1:03:15
  Lewis called this restructuring of gender relations the feudalism of love, and rightly
• 1:03:21
  suggested that is left that that had that it has left no corner of our
• 1:03:29
  ethics, our imagination, or our daily life untouched. And here we have
• 1:03:35
  an image which this is a tile and I've seen it before, but I
• 1:03:44
  do not remember if it has a title. Uh, but uh, it's
• 1:03:50
  it's got a woman in a sort of a I don't know what to call
• 1:03:58
  that dress. It's just kind of almost like a robe. It's a woman
• 1:04:03
  looking considerably taller than man next to HER's because he's kneeling down. If you
• 1:04:09
  look at her, knees are straight exactly and must stand taller than men if
• 1:04:17
  necessary, and it is apparently necessary according to chival Rick. Yeah, and
• 1:04:25
  it looks like he's on a leash, which I don't know if that's supposed
• 1:04:30
  to be a leash or a snake. I hope we I wish I remember
• 1:04:34
  where this came from. It looks suspicious that like it was drawn in later.
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  Yeah, but it's not so there you go. But yeah, and
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  and she looks all demure and and everything except that she's got got him on
• 1:04:53
  a leash. And uh, clearly he looks a little subservient there. The
• 1:05:00
  feudalization of love was not something seen in pre medieval times, let alone in
• 1:05:08
  the Paleolithic era when feudalism simply didn't exist. So, I don't know if
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  you guys remember was the last week or the week before we talked about how
• 1:05:17
  feudalism kind of came about, just very briefly talked about it. Like I
• 1:05:21
  didn't get really into it because I don't want to. I don't know if
• 1:05:24
  I really want to do a whole episode on that. We can. But
• 1:05:29
  one of the things that I found in looking for reference material on ancient voting
• 1:05:36
  rights and stuff was a paper that discussed how the system, the feudal system
• 1:05:49
  became a thing in Europe because it wasn't there before the Roman Empire. It
• 1:05:58
  sort of came out of the landlord's system as well that the Empire had prior
• 1:06:02
  to that. The people were led by religious leaders and the religion wasn't Christianity.
• 1:06:12
  I have to wonder to what degree it may or may not be a
• 1:06:15
  coincidence that Romance is named after the Romans. Now, maybe this was just
• 1:06:19
  medieval people picking up on things the Romance the Romans said, but didn't really
• 1:06:27
  mean this. I mean, this was a signal answer to that. Actually
• 1:06:31
  this was It's often cited as a significant difference between the Romans and the Greeks.
• 1:06:38
  The Greeks got as close to anyone who's ever got to a patriarchy because
• 1:06:44
  they actually they they they they they gave men all of all of these reverences
• 1:06:56
  to which subsequent generations navi gave to women. And this is one of the
• 1:07:01
  things that the Romans built upon. The Romans stole their religion from the Greeks,
• 1:07:06
  and which which is fine. It's the sort of things. It's the
• 1:07:10
  sort of thing that happens when empires learned from other empires and try to build
• 1:07:15
  build upon it, build upon it. You see what they call progression at
• 1:07:21
  the time. I mean, as as the joke goes, the Greeks invented
• 1:07:28
  sex and the Romans invented having women. And what I mean by that is
• 1:07:33
  not sex obviously, humans have always had sex, so they wouldn't have been
• 1:07:36
  able to reproduce. But I mean romantic sex, and yes, I mean
• 1:07:43
  romantic sex. We don't call it Greek sex because the Greeks only had romance
• 1:07:50
  with other men. It was it was, it was, it was women
• 1:07:56
  for reproduction, men for pleasure. Now this sounds debaucherous. And what what's
• 1:08:06
  the word? It's good that I don't remember this word. The word the
• 1:08:12
  fucking right use uses all the time for these degenerate, degenerate. The idea
• 1:08:19
  of having of having sex for such degenerate reasons is arguably the kind of thing
• 1:08:30
  that can bring empires to their knees. One presumes the Greeks were brought to
• 1:08:41
  their knees through different reasons. I guess because they were they were overtaken by
• 1:08:45
  their offspring, the Roman Empire. And we're left to wonder how exactly how
• 1:08:53
  the Roman Empire was brought to its knees. And there's a great deal of
• 1:08:57
  mystery that as as to how such such a powerful empire was eventually brought to
• 1:09:05
  its knees, And you have to wonder if it was something to do with
• 1:09:08
  romance, what we now call romance. So I'm gonna insert the some etymology
• 1:09:15
  here because this is this is important. There seems to be a misconception in
• 1:09:23
  and I don't know where it came from exactly who started this, but it
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  within the men's rights movement that the the use of the term romantic to describe
• 1:09:35
  relations between men and women evolved out of the the name Rome and Roman.
• 1:09:44
  And it's the the etymology is actually different than that, and so this is
• 1:09:50
  from the New World Encyclopedia, the English World Romance word romance developed from a
• 1:09:58
  vernacular dialect within the French language, meaning verse narratives, verse narrative, not
• 1:10:05
  love between a man and a woman, referring to to the style of speech
• 1:10:11
  writing and artistic talents within elite classes. The word divine derives from Latin Romanicus,
• 1:10:19
  meaning of the Roman style of from Rome. European medieval vernacular tales were
• 1:10:27
  about, usually about chivalric adventure, not combining with the theme of love until
• 1:10:34
  late into the seventeenth century. The word romance has also developed with various meanings
• 1:10:42
  in other languages, such as the early nineteenth century Spanish and Italian definitions of
• 1:10:45
  adventure and passion, sometimes combining the idea of love of a love affair or
• 1:10:51
  idealistic quality. And if you look at chevalric adventure, this is not chivalry.
• 1:10:59
  Doesn't have anything do with women either. It's about horses. It's about
• 1:11:01
  owning a horse. So if you go back, yeah, you go back
• 1:11:06
  to when there were only horses, and not even really many people would have
• 1:11:15
  a vehicle to attach to the horse, to drive with it just the horse.
• 1:11:21
  Having a horse made you very powerful. Imagine if I see if there's
• 1:11:30
  a I could even come up with. A motorized equivalent would be if motorcycles
• 1:11:34
  were about three times the size. They are big and heavy, and you
• 1:11:42
  know, or or if cars didn't have that nice cage around it to protect
• 1:11:45
  you, and and maybe like one in a thousand people had one, and
• 1:11:55
  the people that had them also had the only guns in existence, and nobody
• 1:12:00
  else had those either. Right, those people would be able to kick ass,
• 1:12:05
  take names, take your stuff, and do so with impunity. They
• 1:12:11
  could be real assholes and nobody could do jack shit about it. Right,
• 1:12:15
  So proper, proper horse, You could do a lot of work with a
• 1:12:18
  horse. If you had a big, heavy horse, very strong, very
• 1:12:26
  solid in its capability of handling stressful situations. Like battle, like you had
• 1:12:33
  you had a horse that you could use in war. Right, if you
• 1:12:36
  had a horse like that, you're talking, you know, something something equivalent
• 1:12:45
  to maybe in in function, obviously not in whether or not it's as protected
• 1:12:51
  as but back in the day a tank. Right, So imagine if you
• 1:13:00
  had citizens running around with something like that, you would need to have a
• 1:13:04
  moral code, basically don't be an asshole code, because they would just run
• 1:13:11
  around killing people and taking what they wanted, especially if they were connected to
• 1:13:16
  the leadership of the nation in some way or the leadership of the tribe in
• 1:13:23
  some way, so that they had less culpability for their actions than everyone else
• 1:13:30
  around them did. That's what chivalry was about. It wasn't about putting women
• 1:13:39
  ahead of men. It wasn't about worshiping women. It wasn't about gentlemen and
• 1:13:45
  ladies. It was about don't kill your neighbors and take all their stuff.
• 1:13:50
  Know that you have an advantage over everybody else, and do your best to
• 1:13:56
  use it for good things and not ways to harm your community, so that
• 1:14:00
  they don't all mob you in the middle of the night and take your horse
• 1:14:03
  and your sword and kill you. So there we go, and and uh.
• 1:14:10
  In terms of romance, it definitely did not evolve in a straight line
• 1:14:16
  from the word romance having the word rome in it to meaning love in other
• 1:14:28
  words, In other words, the Chivalric code and its consequences have been a
• 1:14:30
  disaster for man. God well, no, the chivalric code wasn't, but
• 1:14:38
  the change in it was. M h like, don't be an assholes is
• 1:14:43
  generally speaking a pretty good way way of life, pretty good philosophy to have.
• 1:14:47
  Right, if only it applied to women equally, we would be in
• 1:14:54
  a much better position today. Absolutely, But that'll never happen. So we
• 1:15:04
  go back to the article. The feudalization of love was not something seen in
• 1:15:10
  pre medieval times, let alone in the Paleolithic era, when feudalism simply didn't
• 1:15:15
  exist. For example, we've not yet seen a cave painting equal to this
• 1:15:19
  art from the Middle Ages showing a male acting as a subservient vassal to a
• 1:15:26
  dominant woman who leads him around by a neck culter. And that's the tile
• 1:15:31
  that I described there. In summary, it appears that everyone agrees that examples
• 1:15:40
  of guanocentric acts have existed throughout human history. The question is not whether an
• 1:15:45
  act occurred, but whether or not it was part of a more dominant culture
• 1:15:49
  of guyinocentrism. Oh gosh, you guys don't want to start a new drinking
• 1:15:56
  game based on that, a drinking game based on how many tangents and it
• 1:16:00
  goes on. God bless you, and it just wouldn't be h b otherwise.
• 1:16:01
  Oh my god, you're you're all trying to die of alcohol poisoning.
• 1:16:08
  Let's do it, okay, But I can't participate because I can't like I've
• 1:16:15
  I've eliminated a shitload of stuff that is makes makes your liver and your kidneys
• 1:16:21
  do extra work. Alcohol is in that group of things. So I'll have
• 1:16:27
  a glass of water while you guys have your your good stuff. I'm in
• 1:16:30
  the same boat, sister. Yeah, you gotta get rid of this inflammation.
• 1:16:35
  I'm a mutant, though, so I have to. It's technically still
• 1:16:44
  a choice. I mean, I could do the wrong thing, right,
• 1:16:47
  I could just like say, fuck it, I'm gonna die of something nasty.
• 1:16:51
  I might as well enjoy all this shit. But there you go.
• 1:16:57
  But yeah, so we are not interested in some ginocentric act, and when
• 1:17:02
  some ginocentric act was recorded, But when the larger ginocentric cultural complex began,
• 1:17:10
  on which point there appeared to be three main theories ancient genesis, medieval genesis,
• 1:17:16
  or recent genesis. Now where to the end of the article. So
• 1:17:23
  this website provides evidence that clearly favors medieval genesis, as there is simply not
• 1:17:30
  enough evidence for it in ancient culture beyond scattered examples of ginocentrism. In fact,
• 1:17:36
  what we do know of classical civilizations appears to favor the reverse conclusion that
• 1:17:44
  these were patently and androcentric cultures that held sway globally until the twelfth century European
• 1:17:54
  Revolution. So that sort of gives us. This is what we're going to
• 1:17:58
  be talking about next week too, because we have another article and I'm going
• 1:18:04
  to open that. Now there we go. I don't know we're going to
• 1:18:15
  go for the three hour mark, No, but we will introduce this article
• 1:18:21
  and maybe read the first paragraph. This article is the timeline of guinescentric culture.
• 1:18:30
  So Peter Wright did a significant amount of research on this, and he
• 1:18:36
  has gone through and traced changes in social attitudes between men and women in Western
• 1:18:45
  culture and looked at when we went from being you can't really say we were
• 1:18:51
  always egalitarian before that, because different people apply that narrowly two different aspects of
• 1:19:01
  our culture, and other people apply apply it broadly to the entire culture.
• 1:19:09
  And so it's not it's not functional as a discussion to say egalitarian. But
• 1:19:19
  I would say we were more non kinocentric. We weren't. There wasn't that
• 1:19:27
  division. And the best way that I can probably describe it is the degree
• 1:19:36
  to which humanity recognizes an intrinsic value of the individual human being. By that,
• 1:19:45
  I mean you exist, and you have a right to exist, and
• 1:19:49
  you are We value your life because it is a human life to a minimum
• 1:19:58
  degree or to a specific degree. Like there that that wasn't different necessarily between
• 1:20:03
  men and women on the level that it is today. Historically, I did
• 1:20:11
  a video about this a long hour time ago, well it's eight years ago.
• 1:20:16
  It was. It was called the Inside Out as Guide to Gender Side,
• 1:20:20
  and it's sort of explored visually the idea that if guynes centrism exists,
• 1:20:26
  then so does patriarchy and and vice versa. It's the it's the idea that
• 1:20:32
  that that humans organize themselves in this in this cellular cluster where women are on
• 1:20:44
  the inside and men are outside and it works that and we've been able to
• 1:20:49
  survive so long for that way because we keep women in this warm nucleus while
• 1:20:57
  we keep men on the outside sort of fighting off all the outside stuff.
• 1:21:02
  And in that sense, we can either we can either equally embrace the idea
• 1:21:11
  of kind of centrism and the idea of patriarchy, or we can each equally
• 1:21:15
  reject both of them and just come to terms with the with what we are
• 1:21:21
  as this kind of as this as this kind of species that that that adapts
• 1:21:30
  to its environment in the best possible way. And it's and it's by accepting
• 1:21:33
  that the women prioritize safety over freedom and men prioritize freedoma over safety. And
• 1:21:43
  it would be awesome if we could acknowledge that men and women are different this
• 1:21:45
  way, and that if we could find some kind of common middle ground whereas
• 1:21:51
  we give women that protection they desire and we give men this freedom they desire.
• 1:21:59
  But yeah, but it seems in this modern age we're unable to reach
• 1:22:04
  that compromise or anything even resembling. We've found ourselves in this situation where where
• 1:22:11
  we're desperately trying to give women all the protection they desire at the expense of
• 1:22:19
  anyone's freedom, and at the expense especially of men's desire for freedom, let
• 1:22:27
  alone protecting men. Heaven forfend that anyone would ever protect men. Yeah,
• 1:22:34
  yeah, Well, one of the things that contributes to that is sort of
• 1:22:40
  the evolution of how the idea of property and private or personal property existing happened
• 1:22:49
  in Western culture too, because if you look at medieval history and the system
• 1:22:58
  that sort of evolved after the the landlord system, their open landlord system.
• 1:23:02
  I keep calling it that. It's not necessarily a form formal name, because
• 1:23:08
  I'm not sure if it was called that or not. But your king owned
• 1:23:13
  everything, right, your king and queen if there was a queen, and
• 1:23:20
  the vassals of the king were in charge of and responsible for tracts of land
• 1:23:31
  and the people and everything on that land in the name of the king.
• 1:23:39
  It was still the king's land. But you got to live on it,
• 1:23:44
  you got to be wealthy on it, you got to have your home and
• 1:23:48
  your cups of that, you drank your liquor out of your liquor, and
• 1:23:55
  so on. But it was the king's land, and your serfs were the
• 1:24:00
  king's serfs, and you were just managing them, so you were middle management
• 1:24:06
  essentially, or maybe upper management, but not not the CEO of the country.
• 1:24:14
  And then you had beneath that, you know, the people that were
• 1:24:19
  not serfs but also not nobles. Sort of we're in this limbo of being
• 1:24:29
  responsible for buildings or small pieces of land and so on. But they were
• 1:24:34
  not. They didn't own it in the sense that if I were to pay
• 1:24:43
  cash, if I had it on a piece of land outside of city limits
• 1:24:47
  here in Ohio someplace, that I could do whatever I wanted with it,
• 1:24:54
  as long as I'm not building bombs in my basement. That that, you
• 1:24:59
  know, because then then the FEDS would have some things to say about that,
• 1:25:02
  right or or or meth I suppose they would have some things to say
• 1:25:06
  about that too. But uh, but yeah, it's it's owned, but
• 1:25:12
  you're under regulation. Now in a modern area, you could say you still
• 1:25:17
  don't really own it because you have to pay taxes on it, and if
• 1:25:20
  you fail to pay taxes, there's this there's this system that some locality some
• 1:25:28
  states will use to take all of the property, sell all of the property,
• 1:25:33
  and keep all of the money, even if you only owe a fraction
• 1:25:38
  of what they get out of it. So so there's that. But but
• 1:25:44
  in terms of if you were a freeman and you you had maybe a building
• 1:25:57
  that people could stay in, like a hotel, I don't think it would
• 1:26:00
  have been called in and in, you know, and people stayed there and
• 1:26:04
  everything bad things happened on it, you'd be responsible. But if your lord
• 1:26:12
  didn't do anything about it, or your local law enforcement didn't do anything about
• 1:26:15
  it, and the king got upset about it, they would be responsible.
• 1:26:20
  To the king, you'd be responsible, but they would be responsible for you.
• 1:26:26
  So here we don't necessarily have that situation. If I did something like
• 1:26:32
  that, If I built bombs in my basement or meth or something like that,
• 1:26:39
  and I got busted for it, the Governor of Ohio would not go
• 1:26:43
  to jail with me or be in any way shape or form reprimanded unless it
• 1:26:48
  was proved that the governor knew about it and did nothing, and then they
• 1:26:53
  might have an investigation, but it would be unlikely to expect for the governor
• 1:26:59
  to know and back, and then the governor wouldn't have had to know the
• 1:27:03
  lord, the baron wouldn't have had to know. So you have you have
• 1:27:08
  that difference, right, with men and women and the evolution of property ownership
• 1:27:15
  and use. We've had this evolution over time to where your individual ownership and
• 1:27:25
  and respect for your individual ownership of things and of property has dramatically increased.
• 1:27:32
  But for some reason, when women want things, they seem to be exempt
• 1:27:39
  from having to respect that, not entirely. Like obviously, if I walk
• 1:27:44
  into CVS and uh take take I don't know, uh a cannabeans and walk
• 1:27:49
  out and don't pay for it, I can get busted for that, just
• 1:27:54
  the same as a guy. Right. But if I decide to have a
• 1:27:59
  baby out of wedlock not marry the father, be a little difficult now.
• 1:28:02
  But back when I was younger, not marry the father and rely on other
• 1:28:10
  men to pay my bills, I don't have to even ask those other men.
• 1:28:15
  I just go to the government, fill out some paperwork, and I
• 1:28:20
  get that money which the government has taken from those other men in the form
• 1:28:25
  of taxes. And if I'm from a guy and I decide to father a
• 1:28:30
  child out of wedlock and then not marry the mother, I don't get to
• 1:28:35
  do that. Right Instead, the government's going to come along and say you
• 1:28:42
  fucked up. You're responsible for this child. You're going to send us money
• 1:28:46
  and we're going to send it to the mother in addition to the money that
• 1:28:49
  she's taking from other men through us to raise that child. So that's the
• 1:28:58
  big difference right there. Women are exempt from some standards that we have in
• 1:29:05
  regard to personal and private property ownership and how it is respected in society.
• 1:29:14
  So you're gonna have two chats to read off. Here. We have a
• 1:29:19
  super child from Richard Bierre who gave us five dollars and says, to celebrate
• 1:29:24
  the ten year anniversary of the founding of HBr, perhaps we should have a
• 1:29:27
  twenty four hour long stream of story time with Hannah. You guys just want
• 1:29:30
  me to lose my vooye. And you know, if we could go back
• 1:29:35
  to the old days and have Hannah and Karen and Alison on the stream together.
• 1:29:42
  Between you guys, you could easily go fit center. I'll tell you
• 1:29:45
  what, if we ever have a situation where I actually have that much time
• 1:29:51
  off, because I don't usually have a full twenty four hours off at a
• 1:29:56
  time, I would be up we are hosting for you know, hours and
• 1:30:03
  hours and just let people come in and out of the stream. Because I
• 1:30:08
  know you. There's no way either Alison or Karen could do a stream that
• 1:30:14
  lasts that long in terms of just staying on and talking that long. But
• 1:30:21
  I probably could host. I could probably host as long as a work shift,
• 1:30:28
  which for me could be anywhere from eight hours to sixteen hours. Well,
• 1:30:31
  obviously we'd get Brian to host it. Brian's the best at hosting.
• 1:30:35
  If Brian hosted for half the time and I hosted for half the time,
• 1:30:39
  we could totally guess. I guess Brian has a life as well. We
• 1:30:43
  were really do it properly than I would host it because I have no life.
• 1:30:46
  But I don't know how to fuck these things. Well, see,
• 1:30:48
  if you divide twenty four hours by three, you get eight hour shifts.
• 1:30:53
  We wouldn't necessarily have to go hour, but we should. We should definitely
• 1:30:58
  do a ten a ten year anniversary thing, maybe for four hours, maybe
• 1:31:04
  just for a normal show, like, yeah, we should, we should
• 1:31:06
  definitely do We should definitely do a tenth anniversary thing. Who else in this
• 1:31:12
  sphere of influence has been going for ten years. We're fucking with a voice
• 1:31:16
  for men, Yeah, I guess. Yeah. And the blog talk radio
• 1:31:23
  thing, I think they were doing. They were doing blog talk radio,
• 1:31:26
  and they had some YouTube stuff prior because there was a broadcast. I don't
• 1:31:32
  remember whether it was a live stream or a blog talk radio podcast, or
• 1:31:38
  if it was just a video they made. I don't remember the origins of
• 1:31:43
  it, but there was a discussion that took place with Alison and Karen and
• 1:31:48
  John the other in which Karen read out or rant. I think the three
• 1:31:53
  of them wrote it together. That was to the nice feminists. They basically
• 1:32:00
  a response to the not all feminists are like that bullshit that because that that's
• 1:32:04
  been a mantra from feminists for well, I've heard, I've been hearing it
• 1:32:11
  for at least thirty years. And yeah, I guess we've already drifted past
• 1:32:15
  the ten year anniversary because I didn't I think it was August twenty thirteen,
• 1:32:23
  So yeah, we're already in our eleventh year. Yeah, I can trace
• 1:32:27
  it back to that argument. I don't even know if the argument is still
• 1:32:32
  up. The argument that took place in the Lady of Maur's subreddit. We
• 1:32:39
  did some episodes where we talked about this actually early on in HBr talk,
• 1:32:45
  because I want people didn't understand where we came from and how we got together,
• 1:32:50
  and people kept asking and stuff. So I did a few episodes of
• 1:32:54
  us talking about it, and I would say, yeah, that was twenty
• 1:33:00
  thirteen. But yeah, we are roughly at the point at which is ten
• 1:33:06
  years since I joined them, and that's all that's important, because nothing matters
• 1:33:12
  except me. Hold me and my awesomeness. Let's do something now because of
• 1:33:17
  me and how awesome I There we go. We might we might have to
• 1:33:23
  do something sometime sometimes, you know, And it's something that we've brought up
• 1:33:28
  before, an idea that we've come up with before to discuss, like to
• 1:33:35
  have a long, long live stream. I don't know. Maybe we'll make
• 1:33:39
  a fundraiser out of it or something. Who knows, but that would be
• 1:33:45
  an interesting It would definitely be an interesting live stream. But we also got
• 1:33:51
  a rumble rant from NOBA fan twenty one, who gave us a dollar and
• 1:33:55
  said, feminist, why do men obsess over the Roman Empire? Same women
• 1:34:00
  reads romance novels. There you go, women women obsess over other things,
• 1:34:10
  and and it tells you exactly what just to look at what women read.
• 1:34:17
  And it's something that I've I got a lot of flak growing up for because
• 1:34:23
  I didn't read the same things that my friends read. So they'd all be
• 1:34:28
  talking about books they liked, and I would be completely clueless, and uh,
• 1:34:33
  haven't you read blah blah blah this author these books you know? And
• 1:34:39
  I'm like, no, well, what are you reading? Conan the Barbarian?
• 1:34:47
  You know? Like, And instantly the conversation's over. Women like women
• 1:34:53
  like to it, women like women like to obsess over an empire they've been
• 1:34:58
  in charge of two thousand and eight. Yeah, wait, there's no such
• 1:35:02
  thing. When women get hold of an empire, it dies on its ass
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  within decades. So the one thing I'm going to introduce for about this article,
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  this is where we're going to be going over next week, the timeline
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  of ginocentric culture. The following timeline details the birth of guinescentric culture along with
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  significant historical events that ensured its survival. And this is the point that I
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  wanted everybody to be thinking about in the week in between. Prior to twelve
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  hundred eighty, broad spread Guynescentric culture simply did not exist. I like the
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  way they put that broad spread because it was spread by broads, did not
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  exist. Despite evidence of isolated guyinescentric acts and events. It was only in
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  the Middle Ages that ginocentrism developed cultural complexity and became a ubiquit and enduring cultural
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  norm. So I'm not going to go any further into that, just that
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  paragraph, because it's eight forty one now, so it we're at an hour
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  and a half a little half. I've come around to Peter Wright's point of
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  views. As as natural as it might seem for any species to be kindocentric,
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  it necessarily isn't any any species that has survived for the millions of years
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  it takes for a species to survive. It needs to be I mean simultaneously
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  gindocentric and andi centric and ecentric. There needs to be a balance between these
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  things. And so it's not centric in either direction. It's a balance between
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  the two genders. How dare you? Yeah, No, No, there's
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  there's necessarily two genders or one gender if you're an asexual species. And yeah,
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  there's all kinds of species that are as and asexual, like amebas and
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  ship like that, and they've been going for a long ass time as well.
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  But you know, they haven't built apache helicopters and ship that you can
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  pretend you are if you feel like being one. Yeah, there's there's certainly
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  nothing gynocentric about the human species. We we we've we've only drifted into this
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  socially enforced gynocentric power structure for as long as we've been able to afford to
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  drift into it. And it's not gonna last long. It's gonna cause the
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  downfall of this empire like it's caused the downfall of many empires before it.
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  We just don't remember it because it doesn't get recorded, because the powers that
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  be will not let you record it. If you say, hey, I
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  think women are fucking things up, they go, no, you can't write
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  that down, will kill you. Yeah, see what I'm saying. Yeah,
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  And our situation is is that not only are women fucking things up,
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  but they're fucking it up for themselves. Oh, Nova fan Get twenty one
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  gave us another dollar and says, will you be going over the recent AI
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  girlfriend upsetting feminists on Twitter? I'm not familiar with that, so I know
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  that there have been in the last like his, the most recent history,
• 1:38:34
  the last few years, there have been some instances of electronic girlfriend things,
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  apps, devices and stuff like that that have upset feminists but is there one
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  in particular that has happened recently that is new and unique, because that's kind
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  of interesting. I'll have to Okay, mister three or three says Janice made
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  a good blog post about it. If that is on God, I can't
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  think of the site that has the the newsletters that go out that it's it's
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  sort of the newest, latest, greatest, next best non censoring blog site.
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  I'm subscribed to her on that, so I should see it. I
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  just have to actually go through my email and find it. So I've been,
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  I've been. I got a lot to catch up on on my subscriptions
• 1:39:30
  on that lately. Substack, yes, and and I tried starting one and
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  then realized I didn't have time to keep up with actually posting to it.
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  But uh, I do keep up with a few people on substack. So
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  but all my time has been taken up lately trying to find sources for information
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  that I remember and trying to confirm that the information I remember is real,
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  because sometimes you know, you you uh remember things from that that you've read
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  in the past or from class or whatever, h thirty years later and you've
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  filtered it through the context of your life experience and it's not quite exactly what
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  you remember, so uh. But in any case, Uh, I've been
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  doing the legwork on the timeline that I'm creating for voting right history, and
• 1:40:30
  by I think by the time I get done with it, it's going to
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  be pretty complete in terms of not just the history itself, but what's uh,
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  what the historical context was for the evolution of voting rights as well.
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  And I just keep like going down little sidelines of information to track down bits
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  of information before I put the information on the timeline as I'm going, just
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  because I don't want anything in it to be inaccurate or wrongly interpreted, because
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  it's important that it's when you make an argument like I'm making in terms of
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  women should not have been exempt from military service in order to get voting rights,
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  that that's that needs to be ironclad because otherwise people will shred it.
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  You know. The modern guynessentric society can't tolerate an argument like that. And
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  it's not that women couldn't have even even if women didn't go out on the
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  front lines and fights, not that women couldn't have done something in the military
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  even in a guyescentric culture. In fact, a spoiler alert. Right for
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  World War two. It was either World War One or World War Two.
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  And I haven't tracked this one down yet, but I will. The US
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  government came very close close to enacting a draft of women for medical personnel in
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  the military to basically to serve as nurses in the wartime, but they didn't
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  have to do it because enough women enlisted that they they had sufficient numbers to
• 1:42:20
  fulfill the needs that they had identified. But if they hadn't had sufficient numbers,
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  they were debating. Congress was talking about it and acting this draft because
• 1:42:31
  the military said, we need this many women and we're going to have to
• 1:42:36
  make them do this if they don't do this on their own. And so
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  it's something that could have been done throughout history. Women women did medicine before
• 1:42:48
  medicine existed. You know, the idea that women were the only healers isn't
• 1:42:56
  necessarily true. But women did deal with injury, women did deal with caregiving
• 1:43:02
  for people who were sick and so on. So yeah, and it probably
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  was World War Two, but I'm gonna double check before I put it in
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  the timeline, but there you go. So, yeah, I haven't I
• 1:43:23
  haven't seen the blog post yet because I've been looking into a little every time
• 1:43:29
  I find a little tangent like that, I am actively going through and nailing
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  down what I can confirm really happened, rather than just relying on, you
• 1:43:42
  know, one source of information, although I'll probably just put one source of
• 1:43:45
  information each for different things. And it's I'm also having to deal with the
• 1:43:50
  fact that as I'm looking for sources of information for things that you know,
• 1:43:57
  I'm aware of Google and the one everybody always recommends, Duck Duco try to
• 1:44:09
  shove Wikipedia down my throat, and I don't want to use Wikipedia as a
• 1:44:13
  source for anything because I don't trust that it's accurate. So it's a pain
• 1:44:18
  in the ass. I have a Wikipedia in my butts, like go away.
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  So but yeah, when we come back next week, we will reread
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  that paragraph. We will go into this this article more. We'll look more
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  into the history of how gynocentrism went from being something that people did sometimes when
• 1:44:46
  when circumstances warranted, to being a cultural phenomenon that wasn't everything all the time
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  mess like we have now, and that I think I think I've read all
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  of the super chats, all of the super chows, all of the rumble
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  rants. So I don't know if either of you guys have anything else to
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  add. I'm just excited for next week so we can read this because I
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  really like I'm a fan of Peter's writing, his writing style me too.
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  He's really a wordsmith. Yeah, I'm forever grateful though we don't have to
• 1:45:28
  react to feminists nut jobs for this week or next week or anytime soon for
• 1:45:33
  the rest Can we just respond a bit of right for the rest of time.
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  It's gonna be a while before I really get back into tearing down something
• 1:45:48
  a feminist has written. And when I do, it'll probably be research again,
• 1:45:53
  because there's some research out there that has been drawn to my attention.
• 1:45:56
  It's not really research, but we'll get into that later. So but yeah,
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  I agree, I think I think Peter Wright's writing is great, and
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  you're right, he is an absolute wordsmith and uh and he does like when
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  what I was just talking about doing, he does exactly that. His sources
• 1:46:16
  are nailed down. His information is not just you know, stuff that he
• 1:46:20
  remembers. It's very solid. So this will be this will be a great
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  journey and we probably I do use this website for reference a lot we probably
• 1:46:33
  will look at some of the other things that he has written over time as
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  well, but it's it's important to look at this before we get more into
• 1:46:42
  the thing about voting, because there's that context is important for understanding the evolution
• 1:46:47
  of voting rights. So with that, thanks guys for this wasn't super long,
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  but thanks for sticking out the almost two hour sausage, and thanks for
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  the super chats and super chosen and rumble rants. Thanks to the audience for
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  listening, and thanks to everybody who works in the background to make HBr talk
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  happen. A good idol and see you next Thursday. See you next Thursday.
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  Men's Right activises. Okay,