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4-Star Edge Zion Grady Commits To Ohio State · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Welcome to a very special live breaking news episode of Buckeyes Tomorrow Morning for Tuesday,
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June twenty fifth. I'm your host Tom Moore. The Akron game in
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sixty seven days, the game against Michigan in one hundred and fifty eight days.
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I'm joined by Tony Gerderman if Buckeyhaddle dot com. And we got another
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commitment to talk about, third time in just a few days. Well,
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High State has landed a commitment. This time it is from four star defensive
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end Zion Grady out of Alabama and Tony. This is the seemingly the continuation
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of a kind of surprising trend. The Buckeyes had not pulled a player out
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of Alabama in decades, forty plus years, and now this is the second
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Alabama player they have a commitment from in the twenty twenty five cycle. It's
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really interesting because this is a state that any time Ohio standers recruiting there or
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you know, hey there's a guy that's interested or he's going to take an
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unofficial it's like, yeah, it's you're not getting anybody out of Alabama.
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And then when Naima Afford committed kind of out of the blue of sorts.
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It was like, that's that's newsworthy, But come on, are they going
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to be able to keep him. He's out of Alabama? And then to
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add a second player from Alabama into this class and Zion Grady. It kind
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of confirms what we've talked about with the perfect storm situation of what's going on
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at Alabama. Nick Saban leaves and now everybody is free. Everybody outside of
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Auburn basically is free to come in and try to raid the state. And
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there's there are a ton of players, talented players in the state of Alabama.
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They're one of the fastest rising states in terms of prospects. I think
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like they're the number fourteen prospect in the state is like the number one under
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and eighty player in a nation. Just to give you an idea of how
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deep that state goes. Yeah, that is an area where Ohio state has
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not been able to pull a ton of talent over the years. They've been
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able to pull guys out of places like Georgia, where you get a lot
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of transplants. You know, no one is actually from Atlanta, it's you
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get a lot of northern transplants there. You get a lot of guys out
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of Texas. You know a lot of Houston, those areas, Alabama,
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Mississippi, Louisiana and has been a very tough area for Ohio State to poll
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talent over the years. It seems like maybe they have cracked the code.
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You'd to give probably a little bit of a shout out to Alan Clark,
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who's an assistant defensive line coach of the Buckeyes with a ton of ties down
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there. I think he's probably played a role in some of that success.
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But Tim Walton as well, get some some good contacts down there. But
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let's let's not get hung up on that right now. Let's take a little
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bit more of a deep dive on Zion Grady. We've talked all about out
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you know, the state of Alabama and the history of recruiting there. We've
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gotta talk a little bit about Zion Grady. Tony, what are the buck
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guys getting in Zion Grady. Well, it's interesting because he's listened to like
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six four thirty five somewhere in there. So he's a guy that can play
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defensive end or be a three to four outside linebacker. You go and watch
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his huddle highlights from last season, and he's playing a lot of three four
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defensive end, which is not what he'll be in college because he's not nearly
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big enough. But that's not what they're looking for. They're looking for an
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edge rusher and that four to three somebody that can come off, you know,
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and do be in part parts of different packages as well. So true,
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I think outside rusher, and they need him. They're they're down.
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They're going to be down losing Jack Sawyer and j T. Twy moloaw after
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this year. They need to replenish. They've not been doing a very good
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job of that. And if they can keep him and keep Zahir Mathis and
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add maybe a Justin Hill and replenish things. But Zion Grady a pretty tenacious
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pass rusher and it is accustomed to rushing inside as well, which makes me
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think that even though he is a four to three, he's a guy that
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can also be used inside, perhaps in the rushman package or we're going to
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talk about the Jack roll at some point. You know, another guy that
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just sticks his nose in there and he tries to create some havoc on the
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inside, and he's got experience with that. And this is a very big
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cycle twenty twenty five is for the defensive end position and those sort of edge
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rusher types for Larry Johnson and the Buckeyes. They only got one last year,
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Edward Houston. He's a very very good one. He was a five
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star, but you only got one there. You as you mentioned, you're
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losing Jack Sawyer, You're losing JT. Twy Mooloow after this year. And
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then you know, you got Kaden Curry, you get Kenyetta Jackson, who
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have played some and then everyone else at that you know, at that position
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is basically an unknown at this point. So this is definitely a very very
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important class to reload that edge position. You got Zion Grady. Now you
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have Zahre Mathis dot dot dot, but he just visited Penn State over the
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weekend. We'll see where that one goes. And then you've got Justin Hill
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announcing his commitment on July third. That one seems like it's trending towards Ohio
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State. But none of these, you know, Justin Hill is not in
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the class yet. You haven't signed Zion Grady yet, and I'm sure you're
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gonna have more pressure on him from those southern schools to stay home over the
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course of the fall, you have to hear math is visiting Penn State.
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You feel like, boy, Ohio State could have three guys committed as you
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know, sort of to those edge rolls slash jack rolls in a matter of
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a week. But you know you don't have Hill yet and the other two
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guys, you don't know exactly how you know how solid those are or how
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you know how they're not signed yet? I guess, so you know,
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how, how do you feel how solid do you think Larry Johnson is feeling
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about the about those edge spots right now? Well, I think you got
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to feel pretty good that not only are you getting the time of day,
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but you're getting commitments and the the it's the commitment that has been the difficult
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part in landing some of these defensive ends over the last three years, all
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the way down to signing day. But you were able to do it with
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Edric Houston and you've been able to get some commitments here. Keeping them,
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of course is another thing. But just the fact that you're landing the commitments
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at this point means that players are willing to They're not just dismissing you basically
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because well, Larry Johnson's not going to be there. They're buying into He'll
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be there for as long as he's there. And it's about Ohio State and
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being developed there, and so the fact that they're not just dismissing things,
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I think is a positive. But if you look at the composite rankings right
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now, is here Mathis is the number five edge rushers, Dane Grady the
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number six, Justin Hill the number seven. I have to go back and
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look when was the last time they landed three top edge rushers in a class.
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And it's not necessarily like running back or quarterback, where you know,
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if you start adding more than one, people start to get a little concerned
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because they all know that there's going to be rotating and you can play two
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at any given time. So that's you know, there's that, and they
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know they're not going to play a full game anyway. So I think it's
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a lot easier to convince players to be part of a group. And I
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and I see you mentioned of London Merritt. I think he who has also
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committed to Ohio State. I think he's already listed like six three two fifty
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two sixty. He might end up being a three Tech. I think so
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that's why I'm not really including him in that group. But if they can
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get those three guys, you know, that's that helps them make up for
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some of the losses over the past few years. Well. And the interesting
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piece of Zion Grady's commitment is the impact he may have on a couple other
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guys out of the state of Alabama, where there have been some question marks
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about will they be able to get guys to come north from Alabama and you
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know stick with commitments coming north from Alabama. Nam offered the five star corner.
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He's currently committed to Ohio State, and you know, I think that,
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you know, as long as he's committed, that's good news for the
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Black Eyes. That's another one where those southern schools are probably going to make
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a real serious run at trying to keep him closer to home over the course
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of the of the fall. But I talked to Mark on a morning show
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towards the end of last week about that, and he said, boy,
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if they can get Zion Grady, that probably increases their chance of keeping of
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getting Milik Autry. If they can get Malik Autry and Zion Grady, that
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really increases their chances of getting the name offered, So you know, this
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feels like you know, package deals are always one of those things that recruiting
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guys kind of roll their eyes on, but this feels like one where maybe
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there's a little bit more to it than there typically is well, and I
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think it's probably different than a package deal. And then it's just a comfort
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factor. You know, they're not all going to the same place, but
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if there are other players from Alabama there and they're going to be more inclined
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and see more comfort there. And I think it's telling that you had this
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commitment coming off of an official visit and name offered was at Ohio State this
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weekend, and things seem to be stronger there, at least in terms of
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you know, the thing we're hearing is you know, bad right now.
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And then to land another player from Alabama right out of there, I think
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this is all moving in a positive direction. But then in terms of Malik
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Audrey and Marcus said it, Kevin has said it, if you can get
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Zion Grady, he's a pretty good chance. So you have a better chance
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of landing Malik Autry, who was six five six six and twenty pound,
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big defensive tackle. He's the guy that was the number fourteen player in state,
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the number one eighty and eighty player nationally. As we're talking about the
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depth in the state and so I'm not gonna I'm not breaking any rules here,
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but if you can recruit defensive linement from the South, you should probably
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try and do that. And and they've always tried to do it. Maybe
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they're getting better at it right now, or as we keep saying, you
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know with Nick Saban, when the cat is away, the mice will play.
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Yeah, that's something that I think I'll host. It has done really
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well over the years. You can't just continually raid one of those so in
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states for decades and decades on end. But when Georgia is down under Mark
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rickt they go down there and they get Von Bell, they get Ray Kwan
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McMillan. When Texas is down sort of towards the end of the mac Brown
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era, they go down there and they get Jeff Okudah and JK. Dobbins
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and guys like that. And you can still pull individual guys out of there,
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but they've really made the most out of you know spot you know,
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spots where the mouse is away and you know when USC and U at UCLA
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were both down. You go out there and you get C. J.
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Stroud guys like that. They have done a very good job of taking advantage
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of those kinds of situations, and it does feel like, boy, it's
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it's getting harder to go into Georgia right now with Kirby Smart really got the
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bulldogs rolling. But now Alabama's opened up a little bit because you've got Hugh
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Freeze not yet established at Auburn, and you've got you've got Nick Saban now
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gone, and you know that's a whole you get a whole staff turnover there.
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So yeah, you have an opportunity to maybe go in there and make
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them hay while the sun shines in some of those states. We move on
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to a couple of different guys and maybe some other guys who were visiting over
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the weekend who you have some updates on. But I do want to remind
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Go ahead, do it right now. I'll give you three seconds, ready,
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three to one push? Okay, thank you very much. All right,
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So let's talk a little bit about there. We got two commitments in
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already before his ion Grady over the weekend, first one from bod Pin Miller,
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three star wide receiver in State, and then three star offensive lineman Jake
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Cook. These are to Tony where these are guys who spent a lot of
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time working for their offers, came back to camp, spent a lot of
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time putting in the hours. Jake Cook was a multi year process. We
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saw him at camp years ago and really kind of remade his body and you
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know, eventually got to the point where they were comfortable and said, you
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know, put out the offer and both guys committed over the weekend. That
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feels like two really really solid commits where this is going to be a very
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deep class and you know, taking taking a couple of guys like that who
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are going to be you know, you would assume putting in a lot of
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work, big fans of the in homes, you know, the the in
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State school. You know that. That feels like those are guys that you
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know, you don't need them to be immediate impact players, but you have
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the opportunity for them to be player you know, impact players down the line.
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Yeah, and they kind of fall into the range that urban Meyer used
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to talk about with the late blooming Ohio players that one of the reasons he
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was always against early signing days was because he wanted to be able to watch
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Ohio seniors all, you know, have a senior season before and not lose
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those guys to other schools through an early signing day. We always go back
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to the what the Chris Borland Wisconsin linebacker example and urban Meyer being very unhappy
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that that guy got out of state when Wisconsin was like his only major offer,
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and it's like he was he was blow everybody's radar. So don't worry
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just about Ohio State missing on them. But you get to you get some
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guys that are coming into their own under the radar but fighting to be noticed.
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And I think that's the big thing. You know, generally, Tom,
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when you're trying to stay under the radar, you stay close to the
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water, and you know, these guys are not trying to stay under the
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radar, They're trying to be noticed and they were, and so we see
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the over the years. I think an interesting study would be the hit rate
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on camp offers in terms of especially this late because this is a these guys
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are going into their senior seasons, which is it relatively rare because they should
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have already had their offers or be known by now. But they got you
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know, justin Fried Brian Hartline got firsthand looks and both guys and made them
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work for it, basically and repeatedly worked for it. And they saw they
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saw enough and both guys neither neither guy wasted much time. They both wanted
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to be buck guys. And as you said, the patients that they'll see,
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they'll show you know that they're not asked. They're not being asked,
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Hey, we need you next year, twenty twenty five, we need you
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into too deep. Neither of these guys is being asked bat if they are,
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If that happens, that's great. But I think we know offensive line
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is a developmental position, and when you bring in a quarterback like Bob ben
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Miller to play receiver, there's going to be some time that that takes as
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well. So there's some understanding for both of those guys. Yeah, and
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you have the luxury between the number of offensive linemen they've been bringing in and
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they've kind of rebuilt the depth there and then then the caliber of wide receivers
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they've brought in over the last few years. You're not desperate for a starter
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for either of those guys, you know, in the next year or two.
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So you do have the luxury of giving them some time, letting them
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develop, letting them kind of you know, get get up to get up
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to speed, get up to strength, get up to technique, all of
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the stuff you need to do to adapt from the high school level to the
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college level. So those those two guys other commitments, keep eye out.
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Could be another, could be another commitment coming. It could be more than
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one commitment coming later this week, and then a couple announcements set for next
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week as well. So very busy, very busy time on the recruiting front.
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A couple other guys who were visiting over the weekend. We're gonna go.
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We've got three names we're going to talk about, David Sanders, Dorian
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Brew, Jordan Davison. And it feels like tony of the three of those.
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I think if you gave the Ohio State coaching staff, you know,
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hey, you can only get one of these. I think the question is
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how fast would they say David Sanders, Because not only is he a top
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five player nationally, but also, you know, an offensive tackle. You
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already got Carter Low in the class. If you could bring in a David
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Sanders top five five star offensive tackle like boy, that bookend tackles that are,
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you know, top fifty players in the country. That is not something
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you can pull off very many classes. And it sounds like Mark Kifler has
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a full update on David Sanders on the Huddleboard presented by Jefferuby steak House at
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bucke Huddle dot com. So we're gonna talk. We're gonna keep this a
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little vague if you want the details. I he become a member at buckey
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Huddle dot com. But you know, broadly speaking, it seems like that's
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going about as well as it could and that's coming from Mark who has not
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always been super optimistic about their chances. Lanxanders, Yeah, I think there
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are a number of things going for them. They're going to do everything they
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can, and they can. The nil is there, the opportunities are there,
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the relationships are there, so there're nothing but positives for Ohio State.
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And then the visit was was very very good and we saw Deontay Armstrong true
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freshman tweeting out from uh some of the some of the photos of the visit
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and the work that the the the the existing Buckeyes are putting into land David
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Sanders And like you said, if you can get both him and Carter Lowe,
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you're you're doing pretty well. I do. I might have to disagree
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with you in terms of Tom if you ask Tim Walton which guy he would
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rather have, Devin Sanchez or I'm sorry, I know you know, Dorian
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Brew or David Sanders. Which way do you think he's going, Well,
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I'm sure Tim Walton is going to pick the guy who's in his room.
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So yes, I'm sure that every position coach would like to get the guy
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who he's recruiting. And Dorian Brew no slouch either. He is a He's
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the number five corner in the class right now, redlind they have the number
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one and number two corners in the class. So you know, Tim Walton
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has already, I mean, he's built up those recruiting bona fides pretty quickly,
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to the point that we're talking about him in the same breath as Brian
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Hartline as a positional recruiter. It seems like you know this is. I
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don't know if it's imminent, but it seems like the Dorian Brew thing is
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still very strongly a possibility for the Buckeyes. And if you can get Brew
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in the class, I think with some of the guys talking about it safety
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and you know, we'll see where things go with Trey McNutt at this point.
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But you're talking about if they get Brew, when they keep Offered and
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they keep Sanchez, and they keep behem Delane, they keep the other guys
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that got committed in the secondary, it feels like you're talking about one of,
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if the, if not deepest secondary classes in the history of college football,
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and in a class that would kind of ease the pain on losing a
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five star safety from in state and Drey McNutt. If that happens, where
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how can you complain? Just watch this is how you complain. You let
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an instate guy go, and it's almost like, doesn't matter what else you've
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signed or gotten, you've lost somebody. So but the the numbers are there's
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a lot of them, and so there's quality, there's quantity, the different
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roles that you see these guys. Playing three cornerbacks in a class is fine
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because of the different the nickel situation in there as well, and I think
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it's always safer. It's always safe to add an extra corner in a class
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because he can always moved to safety at some point if need be. So
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there are different things that you can do and make it work. Because the
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other thing is you're not gonna hit on everybody, So if you know,
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it's better to take a few few more swings and if you miss one,
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maybe hit on the other two. Yeah, we'll get through a couple of
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questions real quickly. Thomas Thomas Mayshaw wants to know will Justin Hill be a
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linebacker or edge rusher? He's six three twenty pounds and the answer might might
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be none of the above. Yeah, they they're talking to him about the
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the Jack roll of the jack position, which is a hybrid linebacker edge rusher.
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Well, I don't think in this defense they're looking at him as a
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linebacker and he has to get a little bit bigger to be a like a
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full fledged defensive end. So that's why they're talking to him about this hybrid
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thing that I still think we're going to see this year because they keep recruiting
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for it. So if you're going to recruit for it, you're gonna have
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to show it. So that's and he may eventually grow into a four three
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defensive end and maybe develop into a three to four outside linebacker in the NFL
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like we always see where some of the I got two hundred and fifty pound
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defensive end or two undred and sixty pound defensive end goes and becomes a three
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to four outside linebacker in the NFL and all of those three four defenses all
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right. Next one from Jeff Frasier, has the kid who decommitted from USC
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gone anywhere yet? That is Isaiah Gibson defensive end. He decommitted from USC
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last weekend or last week middle of last week while he was on a visit
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with Ohio State in the middle of the week. He is not committed anywhere
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yet, so that's another one to kind of keep an eye on. No
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decision there yet, but you know, if Ohio State can add him,
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I'm sure they would be very happy to add him. Hollywood, Hagar wants
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to know, do you think this is the reason to hear math has visited
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Penn State. You know, I don't get that sense that that was a
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direct link there. As you said earlier, Tony, it feels like you
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can take multiple defensive ends here, and with as thin as the depth chart
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is looking next year, there's still a relatively clear path to the playing field.
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Yeah, and and again this is a a guy from what Philadelphia taking
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the Penn State so it's an in state school. You Uh, We've seen
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so many of these guys talking about I'm only I only get to do this
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once, so I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna take the trips, see
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the places, make sure I'm making the correct decision, and and if it's
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a relatively short trip, then why not. But of course the coaches are
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always concerned, and that's why they ask to be communication. It's the ones
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where you don't tell the coaches that you're taking a visit to another school,
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where it's like what this is not? This is a little Then that's when
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they get concerned. When you tell them, yeah, I'm going to go
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visit, it's like, okay, but at least you told me, and
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now then you just go and wait. It's and so I don't think it's
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ever a great thing, but we've seen it so many times. Or guys
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take all kinds of visits and still stay where they're originally committed to. Yeah,
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it feels like that's almost the norm now. The guy who commits and
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really truly just shuts it down, that's almost the exception at that point.
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It feels like, you know, this is Dabo Sweeney used to have the
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no visit policy at Clemson. If you were committed and you visited, you
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weren't committed. You know, I don't know if they're still doing that.
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And Dabo is about as old school as it gets with the transfer portal and
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all that kind of stuff, and I feel like that's even kind of that
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rule has gotten bent a little bit over the last few years, where it's
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just the players have so much more leverage now with nil and all the transfer
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portal and all that kind of stuff. You want to go, you want
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to see what your options are. You want to keep your options out,
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and you want to know, hey, if this doesn't work out, you
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want to have a plan B, just in case. And we've seen schools
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and heard about plenty of schools that are recruiting guys who they know they have
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no chance of getting right now, because hey, if you're in the you
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know, maybe you're gonna be in the portal in a year or two and
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then we'll have a chance to get you. Then. Those are relationships that
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guys are continuing to build right now. Drug Dragon says Larry Johnson is a
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legend makes all the difference with these defensive linemen. I think that is absolutely
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true. And we see guys, you know, how many guys have we
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seen and heard over the years Tony come up to Ohio State camps just because
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they want to work with Larry Johnson, because Larry Johnson is the guy who
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worked with Chase Young and Nick Bosa and Joey Bosa and all those kind of
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guys. And they want to work with the guy who worked with those guys.
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Yeah, And I wonder, just thinking about it now, how many
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guys that went elsewhere we're told by the schools that they ended up going to
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he's never going to be there for or full three or four or five years.
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How many players have seen them, They've already gone and graduated, and
23:57
Larry Larry Johnson is still at Ohio State. You probably put together a pretty
24:02
good list of players who have been told that believed it and went somewhere else,
24:07
And you wonder what they feel about that. Now. Yeah, I
24:11
know that was a thing when Nick Bosa was being recruited. I know that
24:14
was a thing when Jase Young was being recruited, and Jonathan Cooper and j
24:18
T. Twoey Moloow and Jack Sawyer and here those guys are heading into their
24:22
fourth years and still still there's Larry Johnson. So yeah, and again I
24:26
do want to shout out lal and Clark, who is the assistant defensive line
24:32
coach, who is a you know, that is a name that I think
24:34
a lot of people don't know. I think that's a name that more people
24:37
probably should know because I think he plays a bigger role in some of this
24:41
stuff than I think the average folks, you know, average folks might realize,
24:45
and especially strong ties to the South, and you know Nick Saban.
24:49
Nick Saban's absence is not the only reason they're having more success in the South
24:52
now than they used to. So that's another reason there. Omar or good
24:57
buddy, Omar, a long time friend of the program. Omar says,
25:00
thanks for telling me to wait until I got back to the States. I
25:03
bought Wi Fi for nothing, Thanks Tom. I. Omar was on a
25:07
cruise and had put a request in on our board that no news happened while
25:11
he was on his cruise, so we didn't have to buy the Wi Fi.
25:14
And they just keep they just keep getting more commits and more commits and
25:18
more commits. Very inconsiderate. Uh, sorry, I had to buy the
25:22
buy the Wi Fi Omar. But there has been a lot of content the
25:25
last week or so, so I'm not uh, I'm not complaining. Mikahannah
25:29
wants to know does Jake Cook get the fourth star? You know, he
25:33
was at one of the rivals camps and was the offensive line MVP, so
25:37
I would be surprised if he didn't. I have not looked to see if
25:41
he's gotten the fourth star with them, But that's typically the kind of thing
25:44
where if you're you know, you're getting camp MVP and you're getting offers from
25:48
bigger schools. He was committed to Louisville, uh, and then decommitted and
25:52
then got the Ohios Jed offer and committed to the buck Eyes. Typically that
25:55
offer, you know that fourth star is going to be contingent on camp performances.
25:59
It's going to be contention done which schools are offering you, and so
26:03
you know, I don't know if he's going to get it or not,
26:04
but it feels Tony like that's at least a much more solid possibility than you
26:10
would have guessed six months ago. Yeah. Well, he is the number
26:14
nine interior offensive line prospect for Rivals, the number two hundred and first player,
26:18
a four star everybody else is as him as a three star still right
26:22
now. But there will still be updates and all through what they can,
26:29
they all of these sites continue to do their updates. So I think once
26:33
you get a school at Ohio State or the Bama Bump, things like that,
26:37
where people have to kind of take a new look and relook at things,
26:44
but also there becomes more stuff to look at. And Cook was really
26:49
working this summer and was making himself seen and you see the results. So
26:56
I don't know what it will take for him to become like a composite or
27:00
you know, the best thing to do is just go with the ranking that
27:02
ranks your guy the highest and use that one as you know, he's the
27:07
like I said, top ten interior prospect Jake Cook. Like you know,
27:11
that sounds better than number eighty two interior offensive line prospect Jake Cook, doesn't
27:17
it? I mean, I mean have you ever have you ever done a
27:21
resume? It does? It does feel like I mean that that typically is
27:26
how a lot of people do discuss it online, and you know, we'll
27:29
we'll, I generally will look at the two four seven composite because that's kind
27:33
of the mixture of everyone. But you'll get wide variations. And you know,
27:37
if a guy has been to a rivals camp and has a much higher
27:41
number from rivals than he does from others, sometimes that's a reflection of the
27:45
fact that other you know, he didn't go to an on three camp,
27:48
or he didn't go to a two four to seven camp, and they haven't
27:49
seen him, so they don't you know, they haven't seen him in person,
27:52
so they don't know. You know, we'll, we'll, we'll see
27:55
how that pans out. The stars, the stars matter, Tony. I
27:59
don't want to anger a former uh, a former colleague on the beat by
28:03
not saying the stars don't matter, but you know, it does. It
28:06
does matter. It does have a strong correlation with your NFL draft performance and
28:11
all that kind of stuff, being a three star versus a four star versus
28:12
a five star. But you know, we have certainly seen plenty of three
28:15
star alignment and four star alignment and five star alignment all turn out just fine.
28:21
That is, as we said, a very developmental position. Here's a
28:23
good one from the football extraordinary. If you could take one player, the
28:26
five star wide receiver that de committed from USC or the ligneman. So I
28:30
guess that's uh see, I guess, Isaiah Gibson, who are you taking,
28:36
Tony? I what five star wide receiver decommitted from USC? I'm not
28:42
sure? Uh five I would take. I would take exactly Ryan Branch from
28:48
USC. Yeah, yeah, right, I'm not sure. I'm not sure
28:52
which five star defense wide receiver decommitted from USC. The lineman. They had
28:56
two defensive alignment back to back. Justice yeah, just yeah, yeah.
29:02
That was two days in a row where they lost those two guys, both
29:04
from Georgia, which you almost should know better, but you know. To
29:11
me though, I mean, you look at position of need right now without
29:15
you know, without let's just make it generic five star wide receiver. It
29:18
doesn't matter who it is, generic five star wide receiver versus Isaiah Gibson edge
29:22
rusher. I'm probably going edge rusher there because it's more of a position of
29:26
need right now. Wide receiver. If they have a cycle without a five
29:30
star, they're gonna be fine. It is not a big deal. They've
29:33
got a five star defense, five star wide receiver Chris Henry on deck already
29:36
for twenty twenty six. We just saw him last week, and holy smokes,
29:38
that guy is I'm not concerned about that ranking dropping putting it that put
29:44
it that way, but you've got you know, defensive end is such a
29:48
position of need this cycle. I think you look at you want the if
29:52
you know, if you're choosing anyone, you probably pick David Sanders, the
29:56
five star offensive tackle. But behind that boy a defense to end, you
30:00
know, defense, any kind of defensive lineman is probably next on that list.
30:03
Behind offensive line. Yeah, and they've got a bunch of interior defensive
30:08
linemen, but you don't know much about them in terms of are they going
30:11
to pan out? Are they going to be productive? They've got bodies.
30:15
We'll find out this year just how good some of those guys are, or
30:18
we'll have an idea of how good they're going to be. But I think
30:22
you can never you can never have enough disruptive defensive ends. And if you
30:26
bring one more in and somebody's like, well, now I'm going to transfer
30:30
out. That's just the nature of the business now, and I don't think
30:34
you can. It's kind of like the Julian saying thing. You're gonna tell
30:37
them, no, no, You're gonna bring him in and whatever happens after
30:41
that happens after that. If there is a top defensive end and edgeresher that
30:45
once in, you're going to make room for him. And you may not
30:49
even have to make room for him. Somebody else will move and make room
30:52
for him. It's just one of those positions you don't turn down. And
30:56
it's also just in terms of the pure numbers right now, it's just not
31:02
as tight as it used to be because you have so much more fluidity with
31:04
the roster. Where the Buckeyes right now are entering the season under eighty five.
31:08
That never happened for years and years and years. It was always,
31:12
boy, they're at eighty eight, How are they you get down to eighty
31:15
five? They're at eighty two eighty three right now, depending on how you're
31:18
counting the count of the numbers. And they're gonna lose a ton of guys
31:22
after this year, just from guys heading off to the NFL a lot of
31:25
seniors, a lot of guys exhausting their eligibility, so this is going to
31:29
be a big recruiting class. And then just the reality of modern college football
31:33
being what it is, You're gonna have a lot of turnover every cycle,
31:34
so you need to load up at a lot of these different positions. We've
31:40
had it picked up a bunch of new people in the last five ten minutes.
31:41
I'm gonna to let you all know if you can hit the thumbs up
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button that will help us out. Just a nice little thing you can do
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that helps other folks find these shows. Let's go to the one from Mikihanna
31:51
do we Land Preston Bowman. Preston Bowman, the three star wide receiver out
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of Pickerington North High School. Very very impressive camp performance at Ohio State earlier
32:00
in June. Had a pretty good day up in Michigan, had a pretty
32:02
good day, I think somewhere else. Our buddy Bill Bender from The Sporting
32:06
News wrote all about him, fellow Pickerington guy. He was someone Tony that
32:10
really stood out to me at the Ohio State camp. And you know,
32:14
I remember talking to you there and think, you know, same point.
32:15
It's it's too bad. If he's not going to get an offer, he's
32:19
gonna be the kind of guy that Ohio State fans go, why didn't we
32:22
offer that guy when he's putting up a thousand yard season for Purdue or Kentucky
32:25
year where you know wherever he was going to end up. Well, he
32:29
committed to Kentucky and then the next day he got an offer from Ohio State.
32:32
So you know, the answer I know is we'll have to wait and
32:36
see. But what do you think does Ohio State ultimately end up landing Preston
32:39
Bowman. It seems like if you're going to offer him, you expect a
32:45
commitment, and so I would go with that, but I do know he
32:49
got the offer and he told I forget who that you know, he's solid
32:52
to Kentucky. Now that's in the immediate aftermath. We'll see what happens as
32:58
things go. But yeah, we don't necessarily talk about guys that we see
33:01
at camp that aren't likely to get offers from Ohio State, but just impress
33:07
us. And he was one of those guys, and he was going to
33:09
get some good defensive backs and he was making all of the catches, finishing
33:15
just really really strong, really solid and constantly making plays and so that that
33:22
finally bore some fruit in terms of landing in Ohio state offer. We'll see
33:27
if he's one of these guys that is bothered by the fact that it took
33:32
so long, which happens at times where you're like, you know, you,
33:37
what more did you need to see? And even in the length of
33:40
time that it took from the camp to the offer was a long time,
33:45
because we see all the time guys get offered on the field after camp they're
33:51
like, okay, hey, we've seen enough, and so this one was,
33:53
you know even more so, yeah, you got your offer, But
33:59
was it because of the Kentucky commitment or was it because of the direction the
34:05
other recruitments are going. But the other thing is this is this is big
34:07
business for all of these people, and so this is just part of the
34:10
business. There's a board of guys that we like, we've got a top
34:16
ten list of receivers. You may be number seven. Once there are once
34:22
you move up into like the top five possibilities, then we're going to offer
34:24
you. And so this is that's every position and that's just a process of
34:31
if you want to be a buck eye. Now is your opportunity. If
34:35
you want to stick with Kentucky, you know there you'll have that opportunity.
34:38
But yeah, when when we saw him and it was didn't look like an
34:42
offer was coming, it was like, I think I said the name David
34:45
Bell to you in terms of one of these guys that is just super productive
34:50
wherever he's gone and could have been off of Bio Ohio State or had an
34:53
off of byo Ohio State, but they just didn't go after him hard enough.
34:59
And you're like, why is that guy not wearing Charlette and Gray?
35:02
Yep, Yeah, and David Bell worked out just fine for Purdue, and
35:06
you feel like Preston Bowen's gonna work out. Just find wherever he ends up,
35:08
whether that's Ohio State or Kentucky you or somewhere else. My bigger question
35:14
with Preston Bowman is where is the rest of the Big Ten on him?
35:15
You should have offers from every Big Ten school that is not a perpetual college
35:20
football playoff team. You should have had him six months ago. Where on
35:24
earth are you Purdue in Illinois and Indiana and all of those others. Michigan
35:29
State's that feels like a big miss by the rest of the Big ten to
35:32
let him go to Kentucky and commit to Kentucky and then sort of we'll see
35:37
where that goes from there. Here's another one from Mika. Could be still
35:39
land Stuart Kim Stewart. That is a five star elite elite elite twenty twenty
35:45
six defensive lineman. You know, twenty twenty six asterisk could be twenty twenty
35:50
five. You know, that's something that I've talked to Mark about on several
35:52
morning shows where he's kind of he has not said he's going to reclassify to
35:55
twenty twenty five, but he's basically put himself in a position academically to reclassify
36:00
to twenty twenty five. He's one of those people who you look at Gad
36:04
at camp and it's like, even among kids who are two years older than
36:07
him, boy or a year older than him, he looks the part he
36:10
is holding his own and then some dominating some of the guys who are older
36:15
than him. You wonder how much more he has to prove in high school
36:17
and sure Ohio State could land je Keem Stewart. You're trying to get him
36:22
out of Louisiana, which is not going to be easy. It feels like
36:25
they're in a decent position right now. But you know how much of this
36:30
comes down to is he a twenty twenty five? Is he a twenty twenty
36:31
six, Because if they're in a decent position now and he reclassifies to twenty
36:36
twenty five, you would think that would potentially help their chances of landing him
36:39
well, and I'm almost always against a guy reclassifying a year up in this
36:45
situation, though, this might be a better thing for Ohio State. Like,
36:49
I don't think it's ever been good. It wasn't good about for Quinn
36:52
you weers doing it for Ohio State. It wasn't good for Ohio State.
36:54
I don't think it was good for Ohio State. The Sunny Styles did it.
36:58
This might be the except because there is a timing issue in terms of
37:04
how many years will Larry Johnson be here. So if he wants to get
37:07
in and guarante guarantee she keeps forces to guarantee that he has at least one
37:12
more year with Larry Johnson that he might then you come in in twenty twenty
37:16
five. And I think that's one guy that the sooner you can get in
37:21
the better just to have him in here. And it's it's a different kind
37:25
of time frame than with the Quinn yours, which completely was it just wasn't
37:34
going to work with two guys in the same class and one guy showing up
37:37
in August and it wasn't gonna work. And then Sunny Style is just very,
37:42
very talented, but still trying to find a position. And so the
37:45
first two years of college is spent growing into a position when if he hadn't
37:52
gone and graduated early, he could be a sophomore right now and be a
37:58
sophomore starting linebacker or what. So this is what this is. I think
38:01
would be a good thing for Ohio State, but the thing is, and
38:05
then he is still young for a defensive lineman, which is a tough ask
38:10
for major college football. But he's gonna be a he's gonna be a young
38:15
lineman wherever he ends up going. If he re classifies. At this point,
38:20
I think, if you're doing it, if you're you've got the class
38:22
work being done, I would expect him to be in twenty twenty five,
38:29
and so at least in the class, not necessarily Ohio States class, but
38:35
you know I happen with if they can keep their other guys, then boy,
38:43
now we're talking, but we have We've had this conversation in years past
38:46
about may and if they get this defensive end, they get this defensive end,
38:49
they get this defensive end, and then well the one defensive end went
38:52
to Notre Dame and the other defensive end went to Oregon and the other one
38:55
went to Alabama, and so you you end up with one guy, you
39:00
know, in a class. So we don't need to talk about that just
39:04
yet, but Tom, could you imagine, Yeah, I don't, I
39:09
would, you would hope, and I'm sure Larry Johnson is very much hoping
39:13
that doesn't happen again this year. You know, having having a couple of
39:15
guys committed already certainly helps, having you know, having Justin Hill potentially added
39:22
to the class potentially when he commits on July third, that would obviously help
39:25
as well. So there's you know, they could be really stacking guys for
39:29
the twenty twenty twenty five class. And then you know, if Jackiem Stewart
39:34
does reclassify, I don't have a ton of concern about him physically because he
39:38
already looks like a college player, even though he just wrapped up his second
39:42
season of the second season of high school football. He looks about as physically
39:46
ready as anyone you've seen. I don't he might be in the Chase Young
39:51
conversation just in terms of how physically developed Chase Young was when we first saw
39:55
him in twenty nineteen and this or twenty seventeen, right in the spring of
40:00
that year. I just remember looking at him and going, that's not a
40:01
freshman. That looks like a college sophomore or junior. And you know,
40:06
he was kind of an immediate, immediately physical ready guy. Here's one from
40:10
Dwayne Galloway, and I looked at that name and thought, hey, that's
40:14
funny. There's a player named Dwayne Galloway, and this question is also about
40:15
Dwayne Galloway. I'm going to guess that's not a coincidence, Tony. Do
40:19
you think the Buckeyes will offer Dwayne Galloway junior? He was sort of in
40:22
that same Preston Bowman conversation that we were having where there was a camp he
40:27
camped once one of the days earlier in June, and it was like,
40:30
you kept looking up as a man, who is that corner making all these
40:34
plays, and it was Dwayne Galloway in state prospect does not have an offer
40:37
from Ohio State. Just watching him, you kind of went, oh,
40:39
yeah, that guy could play for Ohio State. And I think the question
40:43
here is really, well, they have commitments from the number one and number
40:46
two corners in the class. You got Dorian Brew the number five corner in
40:50
the class. You know, are you you know, is there any room
40:52
at the inn at this point if you get those three guys, because even
40:57
taking a deep secondary class, if they get at six guys in the secondary,
41:01
seven guys in the secondary, given some of the other guys they have,
41:06
you might not have room. But he's another one, Tony. I
41:07
looked at him and oh, yeah, that guy's gonna be a good college
41:10
player wherever he ends up. Yeah. It was physical and long and tall
41:15
and making plays and just a pain for the receivers to try and get free
41:21
of. And you know, I was asking him around about him as well,
41:23
like who is that? Who is that? And then if you're told
41:27
you're like, okay, I know that name, but you're also known as
41:30
like well, it looks like on the outside looking in for an offer because
41:34
of what they've got going on now. But like defensive ends, I think
41:37
I don't think you can have enough really really good corners and in corners with
41:42
length are at a premium. But there are only so many spots and maybe
41:47
we'll see as things develop with the roster and it's like, okay, well
41:52
we have one less receiver than we thought, so we can pull from another
41:59
position, or we're deep enough here, we can pull somebody else. If
42:04
they don't get three running backs in the class, you know, is there
42:07
a spot there? So just some maneuvering there, and then again it becomes
42:10
a situation where like some players don't like to be slow played and they take
42:15
it personally and they move on. And so there are so many different factors
42:21
there, but really impressive player physical, there's a lot to like there for
42:24
sure. Yeah, Mika agrees. Love Dwayne Galloway Hope's Ohio State offers.
42:30
We will see And as Tony said, there are a lot of moving parts
42:32
there. Do they hit on all of their top corner targets. Do they
42:37
maybe have another spot available somewhere where they miss on someone a different position group
42:40
and you got a spot because you know, as I said, everything I
42:44
saw looked like, Yeah, that guy could play at Ohio State and or
42:46
play just about anywhere else he wanted to in the country, going to be
42:50
a good college player at the P five level wherever he ends up. Here's
42:53
one from Tony Muscatti. Over under two point five top one hundred commits in
42:58
the next ten days. That's that's a lot. Are we Are we counting
43:02
Grady in this? Are we counting Zion Grady in this? Or is is
43:07
that one already old news? Because you got Justin go ahead. Even if
43:12
we did, I might go under. But you know, because because when
43:16
when is is Dorian Brew announcing? What is Justin Hill? And Justin Hill's
43:22
with the third or the fourth of July? Justin Hill's the third of July.
43:27
I don't know that there's a date set for Dory and Brew yet,
43:30
you know there's not David Sanders are going to announce sometime before the season,
43:32
but that could be July or August. I don't I don't know that there's
43:37
going to be more than two point five top one hundred guys who announced anywhere
43:44
who they're in on in the next ten days. That's right. Yeah,
43:47
if there's not a date set. That's pretty hard to say, so I
43:51
guess we can both be haters and go under, but you know we we
43:54
will remind you Ohio State does have the top class in the nation right now
43:59
for twenty twenty five, and you know, with some of the guys they're
44:01
in on and as big as his class could be, this does feel Tony
44:05
like this could be the year that they finally do end up with the number
44:07
one overall class in the country, although George's class is looking pretty strong as
44:12
well. Stop me if you've heard that before. Yeah, I think anytime
44:15
you're leading in June, you've run out too fast. You're like, this
44:20
is where the trainers like, no, you idiot, what are you doing.
44:22
You're supposed to hang back. And you know, because we've seen Notre
44:28
Dame a year or two ago, and I remember dealing with Notre Dame fans
44:30
talking about their number one ranked recruiting class in June. But right now,
44:36
with the guys that they got, and if they can get David Sanders,
44:40
like, they're going to have a legitimate shot at it because they've got their
44:45
quarterback. I've got some good running backs. It's just the the the race
44:52
when you watch and we won't necessarily necessarily see it from Alabama this year.
44:55
But when you had watch the SEC schools them up from behind in November December,
45:04
and like Alabama would have I don't know, like five commitments in October,
45:08
you know, total, and then November December hits and they've gone from
45:12
fourteenth class to the number one class. And it's just that's how they close,
45:16
and that's how the SEC closes. Ohio State has opened very very well.
45:22
If they win the number one class, it's going to be about how
45:28
they close, and they're going to be competing with some really really good closers.
45:32
Yeah, they are. Georgia currently at thirteen commits and number five in
45:37
the two four to seven composite right now. Georgia or Ohio State number one
45:40
with nineteen commits, Alabama number two with eighteen commits, Notre Dame number three
45:45
with twenty one commits, Auburn number four with sixteen, and then Georgia number
45:49
five with thirteen. If you want to talk up at the average star ranking,
45:52
the average Star ranking, Ohio states slightly higher than Georgia right now,
45:55
but it is pretty close. Steve Thompson wants to know if this impacts Justin
46:01
Hill's decision. I am not expecting this to impact Justin Hill's decision, are
46:06
you? No? I don't. And as I said before, the dude
46:08
is wearing a stocking cat Nick Capp in ninety four degree weather on a plastic
46:14
field, and then the said Ohio State. So, like, I know,
46:19
we can go back to the Rico McCoy thing from like two thousand and
46:22
four, wear an Ohio State shirt at a camp or whatever. But you
46:24
don't wear that hat unless you are a Buckeye. Tom. That's just my
46:28
thought. I mean, you're not going to put yourself through that unless you
46:30
are a Buckeye. Definitely not. Although I did see Jeremiah Smith wearing a
46:36
knit hat at camp and then put that on our board with you know,
46:37
tell me you're from South Florida without telling you're from South Florida wearing a knit
46:42
hat on a ninety five degree day or whatever it was. And then Justin
46:45
Hill from Cincinnati did the same thing. So maybe maybe it is just a
46:50
maybe it's just a style thing. I don't know, Mike Schaefer says,
46:52
So it has to be giving up on the Corey and Moore Jamie French for
46:55
now brown at wide receiver. If so, is it for cap reasons read
47:00
nil priority. You know, I don't think they're giving up on any of
47:05
those guys, but I think this maybe to me goes back a little bit
47:08
tony into the conversation about what's your priority in this class and if you had
47:13
to choose a five star wide receiver or say five star offensive tackle David Sanders,
47:17
I think the Ohio State coaching staff is going to say five star offensive
47:21
tackled David Sanders is probably more important to their success in the next three to
47:24
four years, for sure. And it's about what do you need? What
47:30
do you have? And that's why you see some schools offering a ton of
47:35
money to a quarterback because they don't have one and they need one. And
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you could if you get like Florida with jayde Rishata, if you land him
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and he can jumpstart your program, it's worth it. Nico at Tennessee,
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you're trying to get somebody that can carry you through that the Joe Milton Bridge
47:52
and get you back to where you were with Hendon Hooker. The need at
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receiver for Ohio State for that premium isn't there. It is for other programs
48:04
where the cost will be justifiable and and you know it's not necessarily just ANIL.
48:13
There is also the fact that the the road to playing time might be
48:17
better at other programs, other schools. The the location, I mean,
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in state prospects. If if O High State loses to Texas on a Texan
48:28
or loses to Miami on a Floridian, you can't just call that an I
48:34
l You can just that's that's happened before, it'll happen again. But you
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know, I do wonder like if Ohio State really really really wanted the Corean
48:44
Moore and they had the full force of the Death Star behind them, could
48:47
they get them and and would it wouldn't It would not be as money well
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spent time as we talked about this in the open, you know, as
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opposed to getting David Sanders, which I think is going to be the bigger
49:04
need, especially with Chris Henry on the horizon and more to come. And
49:08
so are they giving up on them? I don't, you know, if
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they want to come aboard, sure, you know, I don't think they're
49:15
going to tell any of those guys no right now. So I don't think
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they're giving up on them, but you've got to you can't go into December
49:22
without plans, and Ohio State is making plans. Yeah, exactly. I
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think it's a matter of priority. And as you said, if those guys
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want in, I'm sure Ohio State would be more than happy to take those
49:34
commitments. But you have to prioritize, you know, resources and all of
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that kind of stuff, and that that seems certainly like right now where some
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of the things are being prioritized. Lisa says. Good thing is my birthday
49:46
is getting closer, which means it's almost time for me to get ready for
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the season to start and for Big ten media days. Plus it's almost July,
49:52
last month until the season start starts in August. Yeah, we are
49:58
less than this time. Next month will be what wrapping up Big ten media
50:00
days. I think we're you know that is that is coming quick. Camp
50:05
season already over. We're kind of into commitment season now late June early July
50:08
and the wake of the official visits being done, that's when you typically get
50:12
a couple of weeks very busy with commitments and then Big ten media Days right
50:16
around the corner, and then camp starts on August first. This year.
50:20
So yeah, it is. The season is getting here for you know,
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it is a long off season and we are just about there. And Eric
50:28
Biddle Strong agree here, Hey guys, I'm so stoked for this coming season.
50:31
I can't wait, Tony Strong agree. What do you say? You
50:37
know what? I kind of wishy wash you know how this season is going
50:42
to go. You got these new playoffs, you got this exciting Ohio State
50:45
football team that people want to see it. It's not my cup of tea,
50:49
Tom, I'm really more of a old school I'm give me a two
50:52
thousand and four Ohio State offense any day, and like a two thousand and
50:58
seventeen eighteen Ohigo State defense. Give me something really hard to watch on both
51:05
sides of the ball. That way, I can grumble and I don't have
51:08
high expectations, but I can still really really complain. That's really what makes
51:13
me happy to that's the recipe for an outback Bowl and starting the new year
51:17
in a stadium shaped like a pirate chip. I mean, could you think
51:21
of a better way to start twenty twenty five? I can't. Off the
51:23
top of my head, Tony. I wasn't gonna bring this up, but
51:25
Odsseus did Odysseus two thousand and two. More likely to make a wild card
51:29
Toms Mets or Tony's Cubs. Tony, did you see what happened in the
51:31
series at Wrigley Field over the weekend? I saw it was on TV yesterday,
51:37
but no, Tom. I know the Cubs fans I follow on Twitter
51:43
have not been very happy, so I assume things have not been going well.
51:45
Things have not been going well. Met's took two of three in Wrigley.
51:49
I'm just gonna check the wild card standings right now, and that's still
51:53
that's only one game out right now, Cubs two games out. That's you
51:58
know, this is one where I don't know if I really want them to
52:00
win the World Card because it feels like they're gonna do something stupid and buy
52:05
at the deadline, which they shouldn't. Like. This is just this is
52:07
kind of a yeah, just let's let's not let's not do anything dumb.
52:10
Let's think long term. But yeah, I think coming off of that series,
52:14
I will say Mets have a better shot. They've pretty soft schedule for
52:17
the next couple of weeks, so we'll see. We'll see how that goes
52:22
either way. Tony and I will be in Wrigley Field later in the year.
52:24
There there will be action in Wrigley Field after September this year, one
52:28
way or the other because the Buck guys are playing Northwestern there, so that'll
52:30
be fun. But yeah, I'm just looking at all this, looking at
52:35
all these this conversation and the chot the comments about the season and the Oregon
52:38
game and all that stuff, like, boy, this is a this is
52:43
gonna be a really really fun season. I'm I'm pretty excited. Well,
52:46
and we're already texting it up last night in the group text about Portland restaurants,
52:52
Eugene restaurants, Eugene pizza places. So yeah, we're I'm yeah,
52:58
very very much looking forward to it. And of course the Portland Hostel where
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we'll be staying. I think it'll be fantastic as long as nobody breaks into
53:07
our tent. Mm. Yeah that's Eli Roth is the guy who runs it.
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I'm sure it's gonna go great, can't I can't wait. Gonna be
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a great As long as we survive the survive the hotel, we'll have a
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