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5-25-26 Hour 1 - Avs completely collapse in Game 3/Distributing the blame/A truly confusing loss and series · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Moser, Lombardy and Caine on demand. Listen live
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  Speaker 2: Never ever panic on an airplane. Never worry about a
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  Speaker 2: damn thing until a flight attendant is worried.
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  Speaker 3: Never ever worry about.
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  Speaker 2: Anything on an airplane, anything until you tell you can
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  Speaker 2: see a visible sign of a flight attendant, maybe a
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  Speaker 2: little pansy. Well, not even panic, because their job is
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  Speaker 2: to maintain chill, but you can tell, yeah, exactly right,
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  Speaker 2: I'm your flight attendant. And while we went through some
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  Speaker 2: turbulence last night and maybe dropped fifty two hundred feet,
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  Speaker 2: plane ain't going down.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, back to the red line. Everyone has to get
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  Speaker 4: out five seconds ago. In Game two, rimmed all the
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  Speaker 4: way through and against the odds, Vegas comes into Denver
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  Speaker 4: and wins both games to take a two to nothing
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  Speaker 4: series lead.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, folks, folks, please calm down. We have decided not
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  Speaker 5: to land in the ocean.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: We have spoken with our control tower and apparently the
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  Speaker 5: force of these wins are just gonna end up ripping
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  Speaker 5: the plane into different porns. Okay, before we land.
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  Speaker 4: Land us God towards on that that missus McKinnon love save.
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  Speaker 2: Heart, and he'll hang on.
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  Speaker 4: The game is over, good night.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to remember.
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  Speaker 4: In Vegas the Avalanche a three nothing lead in the
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  Speaker 4: first Vegas scores five straight goals to win five to
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  Speaker 4: three and take a three nothing series lead with a
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  Speaker 4: chance to sweep the Avalanche Tuesday night.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So just make sure all of your atoms are
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  Speaker 5: neatly stowed beneath you, just in case the plane does
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  Speaker 5: rip in half. You will have your atoms with you.
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  Speaker 3: On your half, all right, So welcome in I do.
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  Speaker 6: I was questioning where to start this morning, Moje, And
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  Speaker 6: first and foremost I want to say that thing that
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  Speaker 6: on a day like Memorial Day, or we honor those
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  Speaker 6: who have paid the ultimate sacrifice. We get the news
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  Speaker 6: over the weekend that our brother Vick Lombardi lost his
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  Speaker 6: father and it was a hell of a thing. For years,
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  Speaker 6: the last four years his father dealt with dementia. And
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  Speaker 6: I think that if you were to draw up, like
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  Speaker 6: a movie script, the story of somebody who accomplished, through
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  Speaker 6: hard work in determination the American dream him, I don't
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  Speaker 6: think you could find a better story than Vick's father.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 6: He an unbelievable human being who was I think in
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  Speaker 6: almost every way, had every admirable quality that you'd want
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  Speaker 6: and anybody that surrounds you and your live family, friends, whatever,
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  Speaker 6: just an incredible human being. In a heartbreak for our
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  Speaker 6: brother Vic. So most go ahead, if you got something
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  Speaker 6: you want to say as.
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  Speaker 2: Well well bred, I think you. I think you said
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  Speaker 2: it correctly. Loved Easy, great, great man, always so kind
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  Speaker 2: to me, so accommodating. It just he was a he
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  Speaker 2: was a really funny guy. Yea. And when I got
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  Speaker 2: you know, we got the word. Well, well, it's just
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  Speaker 2: people don't know what goes on to the inside because
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  Speaker 2: they don't need to. But you and I and and
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  Speaker 2: Vick have talked an awful lot about this over the
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  Speaker 2: last several years as the decline has happened, and we
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  Speaker 2: hadn't You and I hadn't seen Easy in a little while.
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  Speaker 2: The last time I saw him, he and I shared
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  Speaker 2: a sandwich together and that was good. But I could
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  Speaker 2: tell that it was not going to be good from
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  Speaker 2: that point on. Yeah, And uh, I love Vic's family.
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  Speaker 2: I love his siblings, love his mom. They've all been awesome.
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  Speaker 2: It's just it's a it's a really it's just so
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  Speaker 2: tough because you know, the easy is released from the
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  Speaker 2: bonds of dementia and that's a great thing, but the
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  Speaker 2: loss for the Lombardy family is it's overwhelming. Yep.
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  Speaker 6: So our thoughts in prayers obviously go out to our
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  Speaker 6: our friend and our brother on this program, Vic and
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  Speaker 6: his family. Now to the Avs side of things, here's
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  Speaker 6: what's crazy motion and I I'm watching both of these
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  Speaker 6: games over the weekend, but especially yesterday, and one of
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  Speaker 6: the things that we discussed was the idea of the
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  Speaker 6: Avs have not been tested really the entire year. They
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  Speaker 6: have been the best team in this sport from start
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  Speaker 6: to finish this year. They have not faced adversity all
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  Speaker 6: that much. So you're downh one in this series. All right, Well,
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  Speaker 6: let's see how you're spawning game two. Well, game two
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  Speaker 6: doesn't go your way. Game three. You go out and
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  Speaker 6: you play what might be the best period of hockey
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  Speaker 6: that you've played the entire postseason to start the game,
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  Speaker 6: and it looked every bit mos like a championship caliber
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  Speaker 6: team with their back against the wall making a response
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  Speaker 6: of this is not happening. We are not going down
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  Speaker 6: without a fight, and to watch that completely fall apart
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  Speaker 6: over the ensuing forty minutes after that first period, It's
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  Speaker 6: I'm being dead serious, Moses.
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  Speaker 3: I'm watching the game almost with.
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  Speaker 6: My faith in my sports analyzing acumen shaken, being like,
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  Speaker 6: how is it possible that my eyes have lied to
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  Speaker 6: me like this, that all the things I believed this
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  Speaker 6: team was has crumbled in front of me.
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  Speaker 2: It was jarring, Yeah, like almost scary for me. That
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  Speaker 2: is correct, It's an excellent way to put it, Brett.
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  Speaker 2: It's because what you were seeing before was true. But
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  Speaker 2: what changed, right? What changed last night? I had a
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  Speaker 2: unique perspective on this game. I put myself out with
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  Speaker 2: the fans, believe it or not. I wanted to kind
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  Speaker 2: of get in the belly of the beast. But it
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  Speaker 2: allowed me to get up close and personal from my
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  Speaker 2: vantage point and really watched this hockey game and see
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  Speaker 2: minute behavior. And let me tell you, Brett, after that
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  Speaker 2: first period, when Vegas came out and they score on
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  Speaker 2: the second half of that power play that could continued
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  Speaker 2: over obviously to period number two, and the EMSID had
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  Speaker 2: multiple those and didn't do squad with them all series.
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  Speaker 2: When I saw that goal go in and it was
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  Speaker 2: pretty quickly and Stone puts it into the back door play.
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  Speaker 2: I saw a shift in the Avalanche team that I
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  Speaker 2: really haven't seen before. Now. I think they've been been
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  Speaker 2: working hard in game one, working hard and game okay,
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  Speaker 2: that kind of thing. But what I saw last night,
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  Speaker 2: it's a three to one hockey game and Brett I
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  Speaker 2: saw a disconnect, yeah, right away and what it was
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  Speaker 2: and I guess it's subtle and it's slight, but you
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  Speaker 2: can tell the disconnection is there, and then that's when
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  Speaker 2: things start to compound. Then they're doing it to themselves.
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  Speaker 2: It was really a shock for me to watch that
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  Speaker 2: team that has so many guys on it that have
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  Speaker 2: won a Stanley Cup. They know what to do. They've responded.
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  Speaker 2: Anytime they've been sort of punching them out, they've come
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  Speaker 2: back and repunched. I mean, obviously it was that way
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  Speaker 2: against Minnesota for crying out. A lot of the evidence
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  Speaker 2: was right there in front of you, and so to
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  Speaker 2: see the way they responded and the way they disconnected
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  Speaker 2: and got on their heels and I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: say panic because that's not the right word for it,
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  Speaker 2: but they were out of sorts. I was blown away,
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  Speaker 2: and I saw guys making uncharacteristic plays, things they wouldn't do,
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  Speaker 2: they compound things to themselves, and they're still fighting hard
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  Speaker 2: and they still want to win. It's just it's like
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  Speaker 2: this overall theme permeated through the squad and before you
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  Speaker 2: know it, it's three three, and then when it's three three,
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  Speaker 2: I don't care if you're going to the third period
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  Speaker 2: tied to three. I just I have not seen that
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  Speaker 2: out of this team before. I don't know where it
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  Speaker 2: came from. I don't know how it happened, but it's
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  Speaker 2: incredibly disappointing. And they're dealing with more than that now too.
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  Speaker 6: It's it's one thing, and I think this is why
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  Speaker 6: I'd like, I'm still like pissed this morning, like I'm
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  Speaker 6: so bothered by this, and I think I know the
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  Speaker 6: reason why. So last year MOJ the Broncos with rookie
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  Speaker 6: quarterback bow Knicks, I mean last year, not this past postseason,
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  Speaker 6: they make the playoffs kind of unexpectedly, and they make
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  Speaker 6: the wild card round. They face off against Josh Allen
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  Speaker 6: and the Bills, and what happened that first year with
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  Speaker 6: bow Knicks, They got crushed.
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  Speaker 2: Well punched.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, they got demolished, and we got on
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  Speaker 6: the show on Monday, and us, along with every Broncos
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  Speaker 6: fan out there, for the most part, open up the
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  Speaker 6: microphone and what we say, Hey, man, that team's just
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  Speaker 6: better than you. I'm not gonna sit here and be pissed.
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  Speaker 6: The Broncos weren't good enough yet the Bills were way better.
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  Speaker 6: That's what happened.
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  Speaker 2: It was completely expected.
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  Speaker 6: You can live with that when you know what, teams
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  Speaker 6: you just aren't as good as the other team. That's
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  Speaker 6: something you live with. You're like, you know what, they're
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  Speaker 6: just better, and sometimes that happens. I can't believe that
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  Speaker 6: this ABS team, who has all of the ability in
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  Speaker 6: the world, has all of the opportunity in the world
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  Speaker 6: to be another two time Cup champion. That's how this
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  Speaker 6: team talent wise is put together. And it feels like
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  Speaker 6: you're down zero three in this series because mentally you're
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  Speaker 6: weaker than the other team. That's the only exact that's
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  Speaker 6: the only thing that you can come to. And what
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  Speaker 6: kills me most is I just did this damn show
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  Speaker 6: a month ago talking about the Nuggets, and not once
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  Speaker 6: did I think that the Avs would be in the
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  Speaker 6: same position.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't either, and I but again, when we do
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  Speaker 2: the the final recap of this season, we're gonna get
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  Speaker 2: more into that, I'm sure. And as of right this second,
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  Speaker 2: because there's still a series game to be played, we're
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  Speaker 2: not going to get all of that from the guys
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  Speaker 2: inside that room. But you're right about that. Last night
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  Speaker 2: it was not a physical thing. And they're like, well,
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  Speaker 2: Vegas out hustled us in the second and Vegas out
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  Speaker 2: hit us in the second. These are what I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: that may be true, but the reason that that's happening
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  Speaker 2: is because number one, they're a good hockey club, but
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  Speaker 2: number two, the Abs are allowing it to happen. And
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  Speaker 2: it was just really surprising to me to watch the
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  Speaker 2: way that team and they didn't fall apart, but they
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  Speaker 2: started to leak oil. Were before they wouldn't leak oil. Yeah, tough,
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  Speaker 2: ugly sweep of the Kings around number one, but not
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  Speaker 2: an easy game to play and not a fun game
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  Speaker 2: to play. Hey, Minnesota man, even game one, that wild
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  Speaker 2: crazy jerk Game one against Minnesota, you punched them right
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  Speaker 2: back in the mouth and you wont a game in
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  Speaker 2: which fifteen goals were scored. You showed evidence of being yourself,
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  Speaker 2: symptoms of yourself, and somehow in this series, especially last
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  Speaker 2: night in the second period when you had a three
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  Speaker 2: to nothing lead but gave up a power play goal,
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  Speaker 2: that just it's not just that that it went away, Brett.
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  Speaker 2: It's with the rapidness of it all. It was the
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  Speaker 2: quickness and the inability to recapture and almost being stunned
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  Speaker 2: by what happened to them, or it's just a it's
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  Speaker 2: a it permeates through the team. It's not like you
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  Speaker 2: don't want to feel that way. You're not trying to
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  Speaker 2: feel that way. It's just there and it's causing your
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  Speaker 2: team to fall apart.
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  Speaker 6: I and there's a number of different things that we
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  Speaker 6: need to talk about, but I'll tell you this much
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  Speaker 6: for where I thought the Avs would be and how
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  Speaker 6: I thought they'd respond at times of this adversity. And look, man,
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  Speaker 6: I've been This isn't about being wrong. I've been wrong
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  Speaker 6: about a million things. It's again, I'm questioning my ability
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  Speaker 6: to evalue things after watching what's happened with the Aves,
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  Speaker 6: because in no world did I even dream that this
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  Speaker 6: was a scenario. Most we asked the question heading into
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  Speaker 6: the weekend on Friday, I said, guys, rank these from
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  Speaker 6: most likely to least likely that the Avs are down uh,
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  Speaker 6: or the Avs are up to to one, down one two,
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  Speaker 6: or down three, And all of us are like, well,
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  Speaker 6: they're not gonna be down three.
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  Speaker 3: But that wasn't a remote possibility.
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  Speaker 2: And yet and the reason, yeah, go ahead, I was
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  Speaker 2: just saying, and yet we're sitting here today talking about
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  Speaker 2: a team that's just falling apart, and I'm looking around
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  Speaker 2: and it's the same sort of names that we mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: but most were what is it now?
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  Speaker 3: Twelve games into.
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  Speaker 6: The playoffs for the Avs brought Nelson sitting at three points.
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  Speaker 6: Two of those are empty netters. It's like, how is
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  Speaker 6: that a complete no show? Brought the entire course of
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  Speaker 6: the playoffs? How is Marty Natchez and look good play
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  Speaker 6: last night? Little spin around past Cadre to get things going,
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  Speaker 6: But as far as putting the puck in the back
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  Speaker 6: of the net, not happening. And I'm not gonna be
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  Speaker 6: here in saying excuses, Well, McKinnon took a slap shot
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  Speaker 6: off the knee. You blew the lead already by that point,
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  Speaker 6: Like you totally squandered three to nothing that's not an excuse, Brett.
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  Speaker 2: You're right about that. And when I when I go
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  Speaker 2: back to what I'm saying on Friday and the flight
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  Speaker 2: attendant thing and all this, it's because I've been around
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  Speaker 2: this team every step of the way from before training camp.
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  Speaker 2: It was different. The focus was different, the want was
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe a little different, but certainly the I
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  Speaker 2: mean everything about it was set up to make a
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  Speaker 2: run and to win. And so I sit here with
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  Speaker 2: you this morning, on this Memorial Day, Monday, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: just I'm blown away by it. I really am, because
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  Speaker 2: this is the scenario that I could not envision. When
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  Speaker 2: you said one two or two one, I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: Vic said, well maybe fifty to fifty on that, right,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna throw out the three because that at this
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  Speaker 2: point still is not a possibility. And then after that
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  Speaker 2: game number two, all of a sudden, You're like, well
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  Speaker 2: that was illogical. That game two was illogical, you know,
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  Speaker 2: three to one loss and you had a one nothing lead.
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  Speaker 2: Then again, Brett, it was that ten minute mark or
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  Speaker 2: with their first goal for Vegas on Friday night, and
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  Speaker 2: you just you changed who you were as a team. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because of that one goal which is completely uncharacteristic of
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  Speaker 2: this squad. And there's a lot of time to figure
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  Speaker 2: out what happened, but we still have a game to play.
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  Speaker 2: But this is a monumental task of proportions that I
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  Speaker 2: can't even calculate to you right now. It's just ain't happening.
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  Speaker 6: So a lot more to discuss with this as we
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  Speaker 6: go along. Three oh three, five oh four, O nine
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  Speaker 6: to five. Will be here with you guys all day
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  Speaker 6: today breaking down when happened over the weekend Instagram. This
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  Speaker 6: is the ultimate crucible.
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  Speaker 7: How do you expect your team to respond? Like it's
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  Speaker 7: we're not there yet.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: Everyone's down and in the dumps right now, and we,
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  Speaker 7: like I said, that's the next thirty six hours or
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  Speaker 7: for to get our team back to where our focus
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  Speaker 7: is in the right place. And seems like a tough
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  Speaker 7: hill to climb, clearly obviously, especially against a team like Vegas,
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  Speaker 7: But I mean, you just got to break it down,
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  Speaker 7: you know, shift at a time, five at a time,
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  Speaker 7: period of time, game at a time. It's kind of
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  Speaker 7: what we've been talking about for the last couple because
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  Speaker 7: of those stretches that we're having that are hurting us
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  Speaker 7: and then just answering like if they have a push
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  Speaker 7: that we have to be able to push back, you know,
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  Speaker 7: and you just got to break it down. Now you
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  Speaker 7: gotta chip away at it.
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  Speaker 6: It's Bednar after the game, and I'll say this, we're
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  Speaker 6: biased on the show. Obviously, we have a relationship with
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  Speaker 6: coach Bednar. So if you're looking for the fire of
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  Speaker 6: the Coach Show, I mean, I'm just being honest, that's
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  Speaker 6: not going to be me. That's not what I do.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not saying that, you know, if they lose tomorrow
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  Speaker 6: that changes aren't going to happen or whatever. You just
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  Speaker 6: aren't gonna hear that from us. I just in the
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  Speaker 6: sake of honesty to you guys, I want to let
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  Speaker 6: you know, like Moji's a friend, so I mean, what
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  Speaker 6: are you gonna do? But here's the thing. I'll say
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  Speaker 6: one thing about what Bednar has done and what he
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  Speaker 6: said post game last night over the weekend, he got
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  Speaker 6: heat for it. I don't think people are used to
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  Speaker 6: hearing a coach dishonest in the postseason, and I think
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  Speaker 6: it's part of the reason why he caught the grief
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  Speaker 6: that he did. You know, when he said this about Cale.
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  Speaker 2: Jared DOWNO two. Is there a greater urgency to get
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  Speaker 2: kill mccarrback or is the timeline kind of the timeline
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  Speaker 2: on him.
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  Speaker 7: Is there's urgency to get him back, like since he's
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  Speaker 7: gotten hurt, like you know, but it's it's gonna be
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  Speaker 7: Cale's decision on when he's coming back, you know, Like
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  Speaker 7: it's he's doing all the work he can possibly do
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  Speaker 7: to try to get back as fast as he can.
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  Speaker 7: And we get wordy he can play, then that's great,
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  Speaker 7: but like I don't make that decision for him. But yeah,
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  Speaker 7: there's there's urgency to make sure everyone is in and
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  Speaker 7: available and everyone's playing as well as they possibly can.
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  Speaker 6: Here's what I my reaction was, and most this is
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  Speaker 6: just my opinion, know anything else when you hear something
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  Speaker 6: like that. Here's the translation, And it feels a lot
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  Speaker 6: like Jamal Murray back in twenty twenty one, the year
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  Speaker 6: before the or twenty two, the year before the Nuggets
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  Speaker 6: won the championship, when Jamal Murray was cleared physically by doctors,
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  Speaker 6: they said he's good to go, but Jamal did not
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  Speaker 6: want to go because mentally he didn't feel like it
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  Speaker 6: was he was ready. That's what that sounded like to me, right,
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  Speaker 6: and it's he's telling the truth here. So I don't know,
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: do you guys want the coach to tell the truth
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: about a situation going on or not?
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: But well, Kate, yeah, go ahead, go ahead, bro, No sorry.
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: Go ahead, motion, go ahead.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying he's he's explaining what's going on.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Cale is definitely injured. He I don't think he can
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: really wind up for a slap, a big one of
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: the big kill mccar slappers. Everything's rister everything, So clearly
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: something's going on. I think he just laid it out there.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is what this is, This is what
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: the scenario is. Well, does that mean you're throwing your
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: guy under a bus? Is that is that what people
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: are reading into?
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: Well, that's it sounds like that's the claim, and I
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: don't think that's it. I do think there's a certain
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: level of maybe this tone was in there. Hey man,
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: everybody's dealing with something. Everybody's got something bothering him, everybody's
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: got this. We need guys to go out there and
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: go like we need it, we need you. I bet
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: you there's a part of that that was in that statement,
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: And I bet you that's a part of the reason
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: why kel played in Game three was it's yeah, I mean,
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: look around motion h Whatgwood said after the game, I
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: don't got the audio in front of me, but they
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: were asked when McKinnon takes the slapper off the knee
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: and it looks like he can barely put weight on
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: his leg and he goes out there, tries to give
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: it a go a couple of times, and I remember
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: in the third period he goes to the bench after
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: a really short shift. He was out there for maybe
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: fifteen twenty seconds, goes back to the bench and Bednar
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: there's a camera on him, and he asked him, can
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: you do power play? Like he's just asking, like is
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: there anything you can You're you're so important to what
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: we do. Can I at least get you out there
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: to you know, line up a one time or something
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: like that on a power play? What bottom line was
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: this mos Wedgwood said, you're gonna have to kill twenty
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: nine to take him off the ice, Like you're gonna
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: have to kill him because he is not.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Going to leave you.
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: And I just think to a certain level, maybe there
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: were guys looking at Kal like I know you're hurting, bro.
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: We need you out here. Though you might not be
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: one hundred percent, but you at seventy percent might be
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: good better than the alternative. Because there was a follow
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: up on Saturday morning from DMAC to Bednin when.
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: You said last night it was Cale's decision whether he
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: plays or not. I'm curious if you could expand on that,
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: meaning medically, has he been cleared by your medical staff
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: and it really is just up to kill.
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: Like, so he's dealing with an injury obviously, and he's
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: been in the gym strengthening and testing it on the ice.
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: So like Kile's the only person that knows when he's
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: good enough to play. That's why it's his decision, right, Like,
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: we know what the injury is, we know what he's
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: dealing with, we know that we're going to expect him
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: back at some point, but you got to get to
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: a level of being comfortable with what you're dealing with
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: and the pain tolerance, and depending on what he's dealing with,
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: he will tell us when he's ready to play.
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: So again, this is just my read on it. I
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: don't know anything else, but I'm just trying to read
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: between the lines. That's all just trying to you know,
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: whatever is said by coaching those two statements there and
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: whatever is being talked about with cal trying to see
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: in between what's actually happening. That's all.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Agreed. By the way. If Nate can go tomorrow, I'll
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: probably be shocked because he was in so much pain. Yeah,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: and that guy is so tough and he wants it
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: so bad. When he gets out there and he does
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: that push and he just has nothing, you know, it's bad, right.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can probably get a pretty damn good
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: idea what he's dealing with there because it went right
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: above the top of the shin pad.
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: Well, there's that one play mode where the puck was
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: kind of you know, it was a loose puck. It
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: was a mad dash. If Nate gets there, maybe he
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: gets a breakaway. And in most situations, Nate would beat
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: that man to the puck, break out in front of
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: him and have a clear shot to the net. And
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: he got beat to the puck, and I'm like, oh god,
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: that's how you know how bad that's hurting him. He
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: can't he just he didn't have that extra gear.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Right. When we talk about Jared too, I mean last
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: night it was Jared a problem when when they're having
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: a great start and they're up three to nothing, you
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, they're up three to nothing after
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: one something something disconnected in this particular series. And again,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I guess we'll go back to Game two. You've got
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: a one nothing lead, and Bray, here's part of the
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: symptomatic nature of what's going on with this team. You
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: have a one nothing lead for the first two and
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: a half periods of that game, Game two, Friday night.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: But what you didn't do, which you typically would do
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: as a Colorado Avalanche. You're gonna build on that, You're
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: going to bear down. You're gonna get that next one.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: So it's not an issue when they score with ten
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: minutes to go to quote tie the game. Now you
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: get into a little bit of a panic mode. They
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: didn't do that. They made a push zero finish for
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: the rest of that you know, I mean, look ross
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: scores in the first period. From that point on, you
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: can't put another one by Carter Hart the rest of
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the game. Certainly you can't put another one or two
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: more by him in the next forty minutes of hockey. Yeah,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: that is so unlike this particular team that maybe I
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: should have been startled even more then and not as
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: startled as to what happened last night when they gave
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: up that power play goal to start the second period.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: And it's a three to one contest. Now, where's the
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: blame lieon all of that? Is it a messaging issue?
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Is it a personnel issue? I mean, look, is he
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: needing to be quote relieved when they're up three to
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: nothing last night? They're right back in this damn series
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: because they should win that game six to two. We'll
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: get to all of these as we go on here
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: and again wrap up the entire season and wrap up
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: the entire series. But I mean, look, it's not for
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: me to decide. The powers that be are going to
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: go through and understand exactly what went wrong where with
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: this club.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you this, Like.
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: When it comes down to to discussing Bednar and the
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: coaching role in being down oh three, totally fair discussion.
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: And that's why I said, like, if they get swept here,
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: I'm assuming there's gonna be I don't know what the
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: changes will be, but some major changes after this. I
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: don't know what they're gonna be.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: But let me ask you if it's never been swept
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: in a postseason series.
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but just let me ask you just on surface level,
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: you want to blame the coach. I think that there's
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: plenty of blame to go around for a number of
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: different people. It's the same way you kind of feel
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: about Adaman in the Minnesota series, Like, is maybe the
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: coaching or messaging a part of the problem. Yes, but
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: I don't think you're losing this series because coaching is,
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: you know, one hundred percent of the blame. I don't understand,
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: Like it is completely confounded me because I watched last
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: night motion. You made changes. You move Natus down to
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: the second line, you changed up your power play, you
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: did this, you did that. You've done a number of
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: different things to try and provide a spark. Brock Nelson's
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: got three points, two of them empty netters in the postseason.
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: That's for your second line center and a guy who
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: gave a contract extension to That's not acceptable. Marty Natchius
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: has a single goal throughout this postseason through twelve games.
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: Not acceptable. Val who's done a whole bunch of good things,
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: and I've said it, I think that he does. He's
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: played good defense, he's been good on the penalty kill.
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: I know he left the game last night with an injury,
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: but as far as being on the score sheet, has
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: been largely an O show in the postseason. These are major,
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: key contributors that you have paid big time dollars to,
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: that you have given long term extensions to with the
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: idea these guys are going to carry us when the
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: games matter the most, and they've done nothing like that.
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: That's the problem here. And we can go about again
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: if you want to slice up a pie chart and
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: say coaching is this amount, and then this player's this amount,
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: and then penalty till is this, and power play is this,
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: and goaltending's here.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: You can divvy it that up however you want to.
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: And I do think that coaching is certainly a part
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: of the puzzle here when it comes to blame. But
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: you need your best players to show up when the
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: game matters most. And there have been numerous examples of
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: guys that have been absolute ghosts for twelve straight games.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Right I. And this is where I struggle with my
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: blame putting and where it goes. And because I know
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: how hard it is to win in the postseason, and
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: this is no excuse making here. I just know that
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: it's hard. Do you remember when Ben Noor laid out
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: before the playoffs began, or maybe it's right after everything
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: that has to happen for a team to win. You
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: remember the list he came up with or was that
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: after the King Series? I guess that's before the Minnesota's
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: gotta be good.
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: You got to be lucky, You gotta be physically tough,
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: you gotta be mental tough. Like you went through eight
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: different things.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and sometimes you may have seven of those, right
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: you know, of the eighth or four of the five
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: or whatever, and it's that one that comes and go.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Maybe you don't even lack it. It maybe just comes
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: and goes a little bit. It's gonna cost you when
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: you're down to the final four teams, it will cost you.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: I go back, and this is where my dichotomy lies.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I go back because I was there, and I think
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of the younger ones they don't recall. There's
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: no recollection of what it was like. But the Avalanche
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: were awesome and they won in nineteen ninety six, dude,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: and they had Hall of famers all over that roster,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then Brett. The next year,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: they lose to Edmonton in the first round. Whoa it
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: blew us away. Then the next year the Red Wings
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: get him. Oh they hated arrival. Okay, it's gonna come back.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: And then they lost in the West Final two years
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: in a row to the Dallas freaking Stars. Like you
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: gotta be kidding me. Now. They didn't win again their
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: second Cup until two thousand and one, So that's a
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: five year gap. I'm just saying we're sitting here now
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: for the Avalanche at year four. Imagine going through those
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: years with one of the best teams on the planet,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: load with Hall of famers, and that team can't get
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: it done right, Yeah, for another five years. The late
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: great Pierre Lacroix, I know it drove him absolutely insane. Now,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: you can't win every year, but I think he thinks that,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: like we think, you should have had at least one
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: more out of that team, maybe three out of six years,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: three out of seven somewhere in there, right, because you
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: can't win every year and everybody knows that. But you're
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: missing one Cup in there somewhere, and it's because of
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: one of those things either didn't show or it came
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: and went it feels like that's what we're doing here
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: with this Avalanche squad, and eight laid it out before
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: the season. We knew we weren't winning. In twenty three,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: we knew we weren't winning in twenty four. Last year,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: we really thought we could win and we lost to
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Dallas in that frigging game seven third period. And this
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: year back to the West Final, and just little things
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: during the course of a game, you're finding yourself on
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: the wrong end and that's how it goes, and it
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: sucks beyond belief.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: It's just it's to me.
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: Again when you start to slice up and divvy up
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: who's to blame for what and who's got the majority
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: of it. This is my fallback is always going to
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: be mostly on the players outside of I think some
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: really special circumstances. Nate McKinnon, who had a goal in
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: every game during the Minnesota series, hasn't scored against Vegas,
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: hasn't scored. Balnachushkin, who has been a very very reliable
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: player for you when he's been on the ice over
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: the last few years. He's got one in this series,
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: but hasn't been noticeable. Brock Nelson's got nothing for you.
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: There's too many examples of guys who are too who
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: relied upon within this roster that have just not produced
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: in this series. And when your best players aren't doing enough.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: Like again, we're three games into this series, you're down
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: oh three And if I ask you what's been the
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: best line for the Avs, it's been like your fourth
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: it's been your depth. You can't win a series when
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: your depth is the best thing about your team. You
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: need that along with your top players playing like top players.
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: And here's where they find themselves in some trouble. And
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: this is the big concern. You know, I wouldn't want
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: to have it any other way, but this is the
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: reality of the situation. The Avs did what every fan
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: base should want their team to do. They recognized their
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: team was really good and most they pushed all their
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: chips to the middle of the table said, damn the future,
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: We're going for it. But when this, when it doesn't
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: work and you get the result that you have right now,
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: you have no draft assets, you have very little cap space.
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: They have committed long term years with the idea, Moses,
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: when we get to the tail end of some of
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: these contracts of guys on this roster. We know it's
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: probably not going to go well, but that's going to
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: be worth it for the short term of the window
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: and trying to capitalize on it. But when you don't
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: capitalize on the window, now you're just paying taxes somewhere
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: down the road for something you didn't get the short
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: term success out of. And that's the problem that you
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: find yourself in, you know, outside of a miracle of
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: winning four games in a row here against Vegas, I
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: don't know what the next step is. I don't know
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: where you go.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: And that's sky I don't. Yeah, I don't. I don't
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: disagree with you. It's it's hard. I mean, it really is.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: And fans don't want to hear that because they want
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: to hear win. They want to hear a cup. And
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: everybody believed that it was not only a distinct potability,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: it could be very likely that this team could could
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: capture a second and in the span of what now
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: five six days, it's all fizzled, and it's it's a
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: hard thing to come to grips with. As you're sitting
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: here on a Memorial Day Monday morning, at six in
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: the morning in Vegas and saying damn. I mean that
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: that that's pretty much it, because again this team, If
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Nate plays tomorrow, I'll be shocked. Yeah, Vowels injured, Kales
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: not one hundred clearly, and I know other guys are
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: dealing with some things. It's it's a reality when that
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: when it smacks in the face, Prett, it's not it's
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: not a fun place to be. And again you're talking
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: about us in the fan base. Everybody in that room
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: wants it too badly. Sure, it's just that they're not dumb.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: They they know where they are and they know the
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: missed opportunity.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Three zero three five o four nine two five.
• 33:54
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• 34:07
  Speaker 6: a few texts coming through here and it's open for you.
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: Three oh three five oh four oh nine two five.
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: I getting a lot of questions about the coaching part
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: of this, and and look, I'm open to it. I
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: want to know what you guys think. I thought that
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: Bednard tried to make adjustments in that game. He moved
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: guys around, He moved Nature's to the second line and
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: maybe try and give them a pop. He he switched
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: things up on the power Player. As far as personnel,
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: there's a lot of different things that I think he
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: tried to change and it just didn't work. And bottom
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: line is, I think the players make these moments if
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: they're the ones responsible for it. When you're talking about
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: three games into a Vegas series and McKinnon hasn't scored
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: and brock Nelson's got three points through twelve games and
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: all these different details, it's like, I don't, I don't
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: know what more you're looking for here. Your best players
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: have to produce. You can't be three games into this
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: series talking about the best line that you can throw
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: out there is your fourth I think it's great to
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: have depth. I think it's one of the things that
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: makes championship teams is depth. But that is in addition
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: to the top players doing their job and the top
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: players producing. So I don't know, I don't. I am
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: so confused. And I said this at the beginning of
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: the show. I'll repeat this multiple times today. This series.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Has me more flummixed than anything I've seen.
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: Like when the Nuggets lost to the Tea Wolves, it
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: wasn't that surprising because I just kind of looked at
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: it and I was like, well, you know what, I
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: just don't think they got it. They got the mental
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: toughness part down. They got bullied and they didn't respond.
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: But I watched the Avs in previous series, including the
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: one against Minnesota, they responded, and all of a sudden,
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: you get to this series when the games mean its
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: most against a team like Vegas, and when they got
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: punched in the mouth in each successive game, there was
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  Speaker 6: no response, and I don't get it. I don't know
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  Speaker 6: how that just doesn't happen because this team is built
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  Speaker 6: in a manner to respond. They have the talent. It's
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: one thing to get beat by a team that's better
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  Speaker 6: than you. It's another thing to get punched in the
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  Speaker 6: mouth by a team that, look it can't be down
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  Speaker 6: three and say that you're better than the opposing team.
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  Speaker 6: I'll tell you this, they're at least talent wise on par.
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  Speaker 6: And that's as I guess softly as I'm going to
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  Speaker 6: say that, because when it comes down to Avs versus
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: really anybody in this league. I would have taken the
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  Speaker 6: Abs in a seven game series. But whatever that they
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: had all regular season the first two series of the
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  Speaker 6: postseason completely disappeared. And it's more about the stuff that's
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: between the ears. This just it feels like they lost
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  Speaker 6: a sense of togetherness as a roster. They couldn't pull
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  Speaker 6: it all back together and overcome a little bit of adversity,
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: you know. And I thought Ben Narer was really honest
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  Speaker 6: in the post game about like, how are your guys
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  Speaker 6: going to respond in Game four? And he's like, I
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: don't know, this is the ultimate crucible.
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  Speaker 7: How do you expect your team to respond? Like it's
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: we're not there yet. I don't know. Everyone's down and
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  Speaker 7: in the dumps right now. And we, like I said,
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  Speaker 7: that's the next thirty six hours or for to get
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: her team back to where our focus is in the
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  Speaker 7: right place. And seems like a tough hill to climb, clearly, obviously,
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  Speaker 7: especially against a team like Vegas, But I mean, you
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: just got to break it down, you know, shift at
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: a time, five at a time, period of time, game
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  Speaker 7: at a time. It's kind of what we've been talking
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  Speaker 7: about for the last couple because of those stretches that
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: we're having that are hurting us, and then just answering
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  Speaker 7: like if they have a push that we have to
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  Speaker 7: be able to push back, you know, and you just
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  Speaker 7: got to break it down. Now you gotta chip away
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  Speaker 7: at it.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I think that's as honest as you can get.
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  Speaker 6: How's your team going to respond?
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  Speaker 2: Hell? Do I know?
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  Speaker 6: I mean I thought if I'd get a response, it
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: would have been in this, you know, midway through the
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: second period, when Vegas was making a storm back into
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: that game, Like there is no excuse most talent wise,
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  Speaker 6: for what this team is. You go up three to
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: nothing with your back against the wall, like that first
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: period is exactly what you wanted to see our seasons
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: on the line. We need to make a gigantic push
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: to make sure that we're still in this. If they
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: won that game yesterday, most you're probably thinking to yourself, Hey,
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: cal mccarr's back in the lineup. You just want a game.
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  Speaker 6: Could you win the next three out of four whatever?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: Three out of four, yeah you could, You totally could.
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  Speaker 6: But to watch them collapse in the last forty minutes
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  Speaker 6: was just how the hell could you predict what's gonna
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  Speaker 6: happen in game four. Now after that, way.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna try to find the
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: right words to the behavior that I saw. It's not
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: a lack of intestinal fortitude, but it's something like that.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: It's not panic, but it's something around that. It's it's
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: because it's not it's not full blown panic. Yet the
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: team was clearly affected by that power play goal. That
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: power play goal in the Vegas push right there clearly
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: affected them. And then you see and then you get
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: you get problems that compound. Let me explain on the
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: second goal, Sam Oln's he's in the near corner, he's
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: got the puck after a face off, and it sort
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: of the puck rolls on him a little bit, but
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: he takes his time and he elects to try to
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: throw it up the wall with a backhand, where Mitch
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Marner does a great job. And what did I say?
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I said, the Vegas is ceiling off the walls. Really well,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: they did it from the start in game one. He
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: seals it off. Then you get, okay, here we go.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Then here comes the shot and Wedgie is trying to
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: block her in into the corner. He literally punches it
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  Speaker 2: right into the slot off a dude and goes bang
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: bang back in the net with a quick shot. That
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: is that's a situation there where you have the puck
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: on your This is how it happens. But you get
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: the puck on your stick, you know, you know, you're
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: looking for somebody to a dish it to, but that
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: ends up in the back of your net. That just
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: simply in this scenario in the Western Conference Final, that
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: can never ever ever happen, yet it's happened more often
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: than not. The third goal, Manson gets blasted at the
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: blue line, no call, no nothing, And it's not anything
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: different than what Nelson had happened to him when he
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: went to the box earlier in the game. Nothing different
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: than to But he gets blasted at the blue line,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: no call, and he's looking for a call. Meanwhile, the
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Vegas Golden Knights keep the puck going around. And then
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: this is where now you're completely disconnected and you don't
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: know you're not regrouping in your own zone on the
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: fly quickly like this like you typically would. Now you're going,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: oh crap, where's my guy, And before you realize that's
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: your guy, he's deflecting it. What he's making to save,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: then he's poking at home off the post. Yeah, and
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: these things, Brett, I'm telling you, I've seen it a
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: thousand times. In a West Final. You may be able
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: to get away with it against a lesser team or
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: first round whatever, you could simply cannot against this team
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: or in this situation, this scenario, this in the postseason,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: it will cost you way more often than not. And
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: these are the mistakes they're making and the things they're
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: doing well. The difference between winning and losing on any
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: given night can be this small. They're not doing it,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: and Vegas is doing it enough to tilt it to
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: three to zero.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I you know what, it's so difficult. We can
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: break down little moments of the game and what happened
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: here that led to this, and if you did this
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: differently than this goal isn't scored, or maybe you need
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: to put the puck on net more. And I hate
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: to make this so vague, but it is kind of
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: how it feels to me. The problem that I have
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: and the reason why there is so much like sort
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: of anger that I feel this morning, is when you
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: get beat in a way that feels like mentally somebody
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: one up to you mentally, somebody's tougher than you are,
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: more together, less panicky. And it's amazing how even as
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: a fan watching and most I'm sure you know exactly
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: what I'm talking about here, because you can feel it
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: in arenas. Sometimes, you know, when a fan base can
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: see even when you're up like three to one Vegas
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: scores on the split power play, they make it a
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: two goal game. You felt it. You felt like something
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: was just sinking. And it's amazing how that permeates through
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: a TV screen or through an atmosphere at an arena.
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: You know, it's the same sort of thing years ago
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: when Hackett was the head coach the Broncos. And remember
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: when Broncos fans left the game before overtime.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they knew.
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: They knew, just like the players knew, just like the
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: coaches knew, just like everybody, like the opposing team knew,
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: like everybody just knew it that it was despite the
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: fact that you got to go two goal lead and
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: you played an amazing period of hockey to start things out,
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: you felt that air leaking out of the balloon and
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: it's like you couldn't find where the hole was, and
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: you just knew it was gonna be totally deflated and then.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Would float off. It's such a great point because they
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: you know what, now that you've said that, do players know? Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Hell yeah, they know.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: They know now that I think about it, they played
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: that second period last night like a team that not
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: outwardly says it or maybe even thinks it. That God,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: maybe we just don't got it. But the doubt is
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: there enough that it affects the whole game, do you
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? It's the down that much of
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: a doubt. I mean, it might not even be it
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: might not even be be palpable, but it's gotta be
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: there somewhere because it's making them behave like they don't behave.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: That's it. Yep, that is it. So and.
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: In losing three oh three, five oh four, oh nine
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  Speaker 6: two five. So we'll get some more audio from Bednar
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: after the game here in just a little bit. And
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: again I don't know what to do here. I don't
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: want to go full like off season show because technically
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: there is games left to be played. I think we
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: would all be absolutely aghast, blown away if the Avs
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: came back and made this forget winning the series, made
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: it a series given what's happened over the last couple
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: of games, but a lot more to get to here.
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  Speaker 6: Stick around