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Her husband died in the Twin Towers, and the official story is a lie | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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None. I was in nursing school when 911
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happened. And I mean it.
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It was just such an overwhelming, you know,
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catastrophic thing in our lives. I, I did not end up going back.
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I, I actually regret it now, but I didn't have the wherewithal to
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carry on. I was terrified for my son
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anthrax, everything was happening.
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I actually, I mean, terrorism does crazy things to your head.
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I actually thought there was a chance that someone would
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piggyback and do something with the kids of the widows.
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And I mean, this is where your head goes in a in a crisis
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situation like that. And, you know, there was even
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issues with friends of my husband had wanted to take my
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son to various sporting events and the like.
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And I was terrified. I eventually had to say like,
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it's enough. I, I can't, I can't imagine him
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being in a stadium and, and something happening.
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It just seemed like everything was a target, if you can imagine
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that. And I'm, I, I still wonder
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today, you know, given what happened on 9/11 and all the
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controversy surrounding it, the more I've delved into it, that
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it's not out of the realm of possibility still that another
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event, you know, like 911 could happen.
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You know, it, it turned the tide geopolitically in this country
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in such a way. We went to two wars.
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I, you know, a lot of people profited off of 911 and to my
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way of thinking is I, I don't know what the agenda is for
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whomever is running the show. And we're all it's, it's, it's,
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we're all blind. We could all be blindsided and,
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and find ourselves in another event.
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And to me that's frightening. And a lot of it has to do with
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the lack of transparency. And we found that over and over
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again. When we went into DC, we found,
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you know, the four widows that I was amongst, we found each other
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through. Well, I had a lawyer in town and
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he was actually the president of New Jersey Trial Lawyers
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Association. He kept leaving messages on my
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phone. He and my husband head coach
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basketball for the kids together.
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So I knew him. I didn't know him, you know,
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very well personally. And he kept leaving messages.
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And I'm like, yeah, you know, I'll call him, you know,
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eventually. I'm.
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I'm still trying to hope and pray that my son, my husband
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crawls out of the building somehow.
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I mean, that's another, you know, Ave. you start negotiating
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with God and, and anybody who might have the power to manifest
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that for you. But so eventually I called him
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and he as a the president of New Jersey trial lawyers was very
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keyed into what was happening in DC.
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And when I eventually spoke to him, he said, Patty, there's
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legislation going on in DC. The airlines came down, 100
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lobbyists came down on 9/12 to DC to indemnify the airlines and
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everyone else involved such that, you know, basically they
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were afraid that we were going to take them down and the, the
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victims were going to end up taking down the airlines in some
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capacity via a lawsuit or what have you.
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And this was my first foray into anything like that.
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I had no idea. I, when the gentleman kept on
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calling my house, I was like, I don't, I don't want to talk to a
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lawyer. What do I need a lawyer for?
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You know, And lo and behold, you find out life just spins out of
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control when there's a lot at stake in DC and you're one of
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the pawns caught in their little web.
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And that's, that's exactly how I felt.
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And so via the gentleman that was a lawyer, he, you know, he,
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he knew some other of the victims.
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We had five in my town, over 140 in my county alone.
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It was 911. Everywhere you turned, you
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couldn't escape what happened. Everybody knew somebody and and
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even just, you know, the immediate deaths in our area,
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everybody had a fireman or you know, a policeman, some in some
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way capacity. Everybody was affected by it.
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It was total mayhem. So the gentleman connected me
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with one of the widows who was not in my immediate town but
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nearby. And that was Kristen
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Breitweiser. And, you know, he had had, he
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said, have that conversation that something's going on in DC
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She was a lawyer, so he thought, you know, she might be able to
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help some of the victims understand it better.
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So when I contacted her, I, I told her what this gentleman had
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said to me. And, you know, we were terrified
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what legislation's going on that, that were involved in
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without even our knowledge. They, you know, they were, they
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basically retrofitted the airlines for indemnate, you
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know, so that we could not sue them.
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And so, you know, this is horrifying.
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In the meantime, I've got people who knew my husband coming to my
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house with their sister in laws. Like I said, it was a, it was a
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small bedroom community of kind of like Wall Street within 45
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minutes of Wall Street. And so they're bringing in their
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sister in laws, their sisters. You know, most of the victims
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were young, up and coming men in Wall Street and they had young
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families. I was 40.
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I was one of the, believe it or not, one of the older ones at
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the time, my son was 11. A lot of them were just starting
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with, you know, babies and the like and that they came in
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devastated. And so we started, you know, I
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started having people come at my house on Sunday so I could kind
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of manage who was coming in. You know, if you're going to
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bring somebody, bring them on Sunday and we'll have a
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conversation. In one way, it was just for
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victims to connect with each other.
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You know, who else do you have this conversation with about the
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kids and what they're going through?
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Just, you know, everybody worked for a different company.
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Who's still continuing benefits, all of that.
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I mean, my husband worked for Cantor Fitzgerald.
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He was on the 105th floor that day and.
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His, his, his name was John, is that right?
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And he was. He was 38.
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Yes, 38 Yep, Yep, I have I have a picture here.
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I mean, this is, I don't even know what do I have?
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Oh, I have this one picture. It ended up it was just this
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crazy story. Last picture I have of my
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husband. We were we went to a tennis
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match at the US Open the weekend before.
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And this gentleman, I I'd gone up to use the ladies room and
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I'm up there by myself and this guy keeps chasing ma'am, ma'am,
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lady miss. And I'm like, you know, so he
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stops me and he says, is this you in the photo?
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And I'm like photo and, and he says here and he just hands me
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photos. I, you know, use a lady's room.
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I go back down to the stadium and we went with friends and I'm
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like, here, look at this picture.
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We're all landed, you know, and they're like, oh, how, how much
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did they did they charge you for this?
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You know, how did this happen? And and I'm like, he didn't
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charge me anything. He just handed to me and they
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were like, nobody does that, you know, and how did he pick me
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out? Just running to the ladies room
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that this was me in the photo. I'm like, in some ways I, I, you
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know, there's nothing on this photo to indicate the
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photographer anything that that was just like an Angel moment,
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you know, my last photo of my husband.
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Yeah, OK, so, so so John died on on that day he went down with
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the towers. I can remember I I was visiting
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my girlfriend and I think we were just watching MTV or
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something. And her brother came running in
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saying America's under attack, America's under, under attack.
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And he quickly switched over to CNN.
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And at that stage, it was just the first building with the
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smoke. That was my.
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Building, yeah. So he was in the first tower?
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Yes. What were you doing that
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morning? Can you remember?
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It was my day off from nursing school.
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I was actually folding laundry. I mean, you know, you double
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down on days you have to do all the other things that you need
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to get done. My son, I had just already taken
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my son to school and my husband called.
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He called me from a landline at work.
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I found out afterwards he had forgotten his cell phone in his
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car. When someone went to the train
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station to go get his car for me, his cell phone was in there.
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You know, we, we still weren't accustomed to having cell phones
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even at the time, you know, So he called me and he said, you
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know what's going on? And I'm like, I've got a pair of
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socks that I'm pairing in my hands.
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Wait, wait, wait. Hold, Hang on.
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So he phoned you. He phoned you when it happened.
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Yeah, yeah. And I mean they had already.
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He and his Co workers had already tried to see, you know,
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if there was an exit for them and everything was destroyed.
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The elevators, the stairwells, they were all blown apart that
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you could not get through. Believe me, these are a lot of
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healthy young men. If there was any opportunity for
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them to get out, they would have gotten out.
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And the rooftop just for luck now in 93, I don't know if you
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recall they did 28 rescues I believe from the rooftop that
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day. They the police are the were the
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only ones who had helicopters not the fire department.
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So they, the, a policeman actually rappelled down onto the
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roof, use an axe and broke through the door, you know, to
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allow victims to come up to the rooftop where they, they started
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exiting them, you know, taking them off in helicopters that
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day. And apparently, given the
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situation on 9/11, the only ones who were allowed to fly were the
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military. Although there were still planes
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in the air, most of the policemen had said there wasn't
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an opportunity for them to land. It was 2 filled with smoke.
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And there there was one who said he could have done, he would
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have done it. He still would have tried, but
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it didn't happen. So all those above the entry
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area of whatever happened there, the, you know, there was no
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chance for any fireman to get to them.
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And my husband called to say the floor was filling up with a
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thick black smoke and he didn't think that they were going to
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make it. And he told you that.
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Yeah, yeah. And you know, he proceeded to to
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break down. I was going into shock.
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I could feel it all over my body.
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And, you know, I told them because I was trying to comfort
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him. I didn't know what else to do
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that, you know, he was such a good man.
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He had such faith. And I said, if anyone is ready
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for this time, it's you. You've got this.
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You're a good man. You know, it's all I could do.
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And I'd tell him I love him. Our son loves him.
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He was telling me that he how much he loved us.
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I mean, it was such a gift when I look back on it, to get that
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phone call, as painful as it is, and I can still hear his voice,
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his sob. I mean, how do you know somebody
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really loves you? Here's someone he's calling me
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on his deathbed to tell me that. I mean, it was, you know, so
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many people didn't get calls, didn't get that final moment
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with their loved 1. And I'm so I'm so grateful that
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I got to speak to him and I hope I offered him comfort in that
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time. Sure.
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Just give me a second. Yeah.
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How old was your son at the time?
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11/11/11 They were best buds. I mean his father was his best
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friend. He coached everything.
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The kids used to come to my house and ask if my son John
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could come out and if Mr. Cazza could come out and play because
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he was like the Pied Piper of the neighborhood.
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Was your son with you? No, he was at school.
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At school. OK, So what?
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I mean so So what happened then? Did you immediately phone the
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school or? Well, I I kept on trying to,
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somehow the connection died. I don't even know what happened
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there. So I kept on trying to call back
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and see if I could get a hold of him.
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You know, I was more than willing to stay on the phone
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through the whole time. It it could have, he could have
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succumbed. I have no idea.
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He, he had bought for his desk, the guys that he works with,
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these hoods that you wear that filter out a lot of smoke and
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things like that because, you know, people got hurt in 93 and
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smoke was a big part of it, the inhalation and not being able to
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breathe back then. So to my way of thinking, as I'm
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watching all of this unfold, you know, I'm thinking because I'm
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seeing people jump at this point, I mean, it's just an
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awful, awful, ungodly thing that was occurring.
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And I was, I was terrified for him.
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I mean, was he watching his Co workers die around him?
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You know, and if we go to the point of what kind of weaponry
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was used that day, I mean, there's any number of horror
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situations that I can well imagine that he might have been
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experiencing. You mean, did he RIP off his
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hood and just want to succumb to it?
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You know, I can imagine that they had psyche breakdown from
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observing what was happening around them to everyone as they,
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you know, one by one died there. I mean, just horrifying.
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Did he say on the phone to you what he thought happened?
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He thought bombs were going off in the building.
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He did. Well, you know, there was,
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there's a lot of noise going on. You know, on that day there were
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diesel tanks in the buildings on different floors, you know,
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above the basement floors. They had emergency tankers and
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stuff like that. And, you know, there, there was
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just so much going on there that day.
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I can only imagine he just thought a bomb had hit his
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building. He thought he heard another
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something going off in the building.
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But you know, I have no idea exactly what.
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You know, he, he just didn't see the plane or anything like that.
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OK, so, So what do you what do you think happened?
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At this point in time, I mean, my husband was never found.
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He's one of 1100 people that day that were not found.
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And then there were, according to the medical examiner's
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office, 400 more individuals who were only identified via DNA.
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That's how small whatever it was that they found of these
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individuals was. I mean, my, my girlfriend, she
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buried her husband. She had a Shard about an about
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an inch Shard of a bone. And that's all she ever got from
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from that day. So if you think about that, it
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was almost 1500 people who were totally obliterated on that day,
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including my husband. So what kind of weapon could do
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that? Do you think they were planes?
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From what I have seen of the the eight cars information and
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that's basically information that gets transmitted back to
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the air traffic control to say whether a plane is still in the
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air or not. These, those planes, the ones
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that they listed, eleven, 1759377, none of them actually
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hit their target. I mean, this is computerized
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data with feedback from plane, the planes to air traffic
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control that they were still in the air past the time which they
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should have, you know, ceased to exist given the crashes and
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whatnot that we were told happened.
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I mean, I, I didn't immediately think that way.
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It took a long time going through the various, you know,
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groups that came through architects fringe and architects
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and engineers. There were pilots for truth,
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scholars for truth, all these groups.
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And I did get a hold of Doctor Wood's book and I was like, you
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know what? I have to re reconsider what I
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saw that day. And and then the information
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about the planes, you're like, you know, all the phone calls
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that were supposedly made by cell phones.
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You can't make a call now on a plane in the air.
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I've got a friend who was in New York on on the day and I was at
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his house not too long. I mean, he's a, he's a South
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African and I was at his house not too long ago and I asked
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him, can you remember if you saw any aeroplanes?
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And he said, you know, I don't know anymore.
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Right. Well, I mean, I believe there's
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was, I mean, John Lear talks about that a lot of the
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technology that he was aware of that could have been used and
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that could have been they put in images, he said they can put in
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images that offer noise, the right noise.
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You know, that you would think there was a plane coming,
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everything that they, they have such sophisticated technologies.
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And of course, again, going back to what I said about
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transparency, we know none of these things as citizens here.
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We find out after the fact when you you looked at something
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later on, you know, like some of the fires that have occurred and
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you go, that doesn't make any sense either.
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And I'm seeing cars that look like the ones that were, as Judy
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Wood has posited were toasted, which makes no sense.
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There were cars like in I think it was, I think she should this
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one thing I saw was Lahaina fire and there were two cars in a
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just a grassy area. So there wasn't much other
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combustibles around. And these fire, these cars were
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basically toasted from the inside out.
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And the one of the individuals that was filming was just
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touching the car like the doorway and it was crumbling
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into dust. So you're going and, you know,
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and that hits me differently maybe because I'm saying, Oh my
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God, they're still using it. And maybe domestic, you know,
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domestically as well. You know, I, you know, I have
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several family members who are in the military.
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My, a lot of most of my husband's family came from
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military background and you know, you want them to be safe
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when they're over there and whatnot.
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But this happened right here and you're like this technology, I
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wouldn't want this used on anyone.
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It's not fair. It's just so asymmetrical that
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nobody stands a chance with this kind of weaponry that is
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possibly being used here still and or elsewhere.
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It's horrifying. I mean, I'm horrified to have my
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husband and our name used in all the wars that came about after
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911. I mean, I, I was on John Kerry's
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campaign. I to an extent, I did some, a
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lot of radio interviews and things like that.
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And you know, you get set up with some, you know, individuals
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who in protection of what Bush was doing, you know, they're
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they're out there to to attack you when you're on the radio
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with them. And so they set me up against
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like a Gold Star mom who had lost her son.
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And I said, you know, I am so sorry for your loss.
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I totally if you if anyone had ever asked me, I would say no,
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we shouldn't be going to war. It was a crime that occurred on
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9/11 as far as I was concerned. And you don't punish a whole
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country for what a few people have done.
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You know, there's that's just not who I am.
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I mean, and nothing good came out of it.
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Nothing, nothing good came out of those wars.
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I mean, except for we have more people who hate us beyond.
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I mean, it's just horrifying. And I don't I, I'm horrified
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that our names are attached to this and that people think that
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they avenged my husband's death somehow.
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It's, it's just, it's a nightmare.
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It never ends. It's just a nightmare that never
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ends. You know, my son moved across
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the country to get away from this.
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You know, the East Coast is so intense.
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Wrote an open letter, is that right?
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Mm Hmm. Yep.
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To who? To who and what was it about?
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Well, there is a gentleman, Matt, I forget Campbell.
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He lost his brother. He's been on my show a couple
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times. Yeah, and you know, he's going
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about with a lawsuit to try to. Try to get the British
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government to. Reopenable to some degree,
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right. And so, but part of the issue I
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had was, you know, they're they're in with the architects
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and engineer group and I'm like it.
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The thermite story, if you will, is to my way of thinking is
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fairly easy to disprove. Thermite explodes, you know,
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you've seen the, the, the welders, they have to wear those
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big masks and everything. And basically it looks the the
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sparking and everything else looks like that.
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Except for, if you can imagine on 2/5, you know, 110 story
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buildings it would have taken. I've heard estimates of 29,000
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cubic tons of thermite to take those buildings down.
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Now, surely we would have seen these buildings igniting in some
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crazy fashion that just didn't happen.
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Plus, if you look at the injuries of the day of, you
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know, firefighters, responders, they're not.
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They weren't blinded. They didn't have, you know,
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extreme burns. Yes, there were burns, but it
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was a small percentage of the injuries that resulted that day.
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And I'm like, no, it's just doesn't add up.
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Could some there might have been in those buildings?
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I I don't doubt that there was redundancy of some sort.
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I mean, if you are so intent on making sure there's there's
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most, the most damage possible being done, you know, you don't
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want any survivors if you can help it, then you read, you use
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other things that are going to make it so, you know, if that
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fails, this works, you know, over and over again again.
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And if there were, if it was truly an explosive incendiary
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event, I believe we would have had more survivors at the
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bottoms of the buildings. Yes.
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There were like, I think 16 or so total and they didn't report
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bombs and things like that. They basically got caught up in
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the floors falling. They were falling with floors
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apparently and stairwells and they, you know, they had
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injuries like broken ankles and things like that, but they
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weren't crushed. They, they came to and saw
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sunlight because these 550 ton buildings that supposedly
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collapsed that day just were gone.
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They they did not have rubble all over them.
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I mean, that's. Did did you go to?
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Did you go to Ground Zero? Yes, yes.
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I mean, it was totally unrecognizable.
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There was an event in in October with Hillary Clinton.
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You know, she was a senator at the time.
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All these individuals, least dignitaries, it was a madhouse
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of everyone trying to jockey for some kind of position there.
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And so we didn't even get into the ceremony.
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This was supposed to be for us and the rescue workers and
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whatnot. We, we had police barricade and
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we were not even permitted to get in.
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So I walked my son down the street, you know, because until
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then we kind of had, I had kind of said, you know, I don't want
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you watching television, You know, to to what?
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Because that's all that was ever on our TV's.
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It was 24/7. The building's collapsing.
30:59
And I'm like, this is not what my son needs to have in his mind
31:04
all the time. So my son had been to those
31:07
buildings several times. So I walked him down the street
31:10
and there was a policeman outside the fencing surrounding
31:15
Ground Zero. And I said, listen, I said we
31:17
can't get in to the ceremony that there's they're having.
31:22
Is there any way my son could see what's happened here so that
31:26
he has an understanding of why his father didn't come home that
31:30
day? And the policeman opened up the
31:35
gate that he was guarding, I suppose, and let us go in there.
31:41
I, I can't even tell. It was unrecognizable.
31:46
And there wasn't this. There was there was a decent
31:50
sized pile of rubble, but not what you would have have
31:55
expected from the height of those buildings coming down.
31:59
I mean, you walked out. It was dizzying how tall those
32:03
buildings were. I mean, it was like it was, they
32:08
were like cities and within cities, I mean, there was so
32:10
much going on there. There was retails, restaurants,
32:14
everything in these buildings. They were immense and to find
32:20
out that there was so little of them left, you know, basically,
32:26
I believe my, you know, my husband floated away, you know,
32:31
with. The with the dust.
32:33
Yeah, although, I mean, there, Giuliani, I mean, yes, there the
32:41
medical examiner's office was doing the best they could with
32:45
things. We had to go down to Ground Zero
32:48
and give DNA all those things that you do to identify a loved
32:54
one. And there there were times when
33:02
I called just to follow up and the the medical examiner was
33:07
like, listen, Julian, Honey's not letting us do much else with
33:12
what we have. You know, it was bad news.
33:17
The city didn't want that. So you couldn't have this
33:22
constant barrage of victims being found bad news all the
33:27
time. And eventually and, and, and I
33:35
respectfully say they could have waited longer.
33:39
There was more an impetus just to remove everything from Ground
33:43
Zero. So basically they destroyed a
33:45
crime scene and they scooped up what they had there.
33:50
You know, they used the grapplers and they scooped up
33:53
everything. And what was here was put in a
33:57
landfill, a garbage dump. Now it in a crime scene of 3000
34:06
Americans. As an American, I was so
34:09
offended by that. You've put everything, everyone
34:14
that might have been found in a landfill.
34:19
It, it was just, it's so shocking, so shocking that this
34:25
is how that crime was handled. And then as they, they were
34:30
clearing, they wanted more access to certain areas and they
34:37
actually put roadways over what was there in addition to yes to,
34:45
to have heavy duty equipment be able to, to go through.
34:52
And on top of that, they flooded the area.
34:56
I don't know if that was to tamp down the, you know, the toxins
35:02
coming out of there. And also they they brought in
35:06
truckloads and truckloads of dirt.
35:09
Now I'm thinking to myself, I mean, there's there are people
35:14
buried here and you're adding to the pile.
35:20
You know, it got referred to as the pile you're you're
35:27
obliterating. Any chance I have of recovering
35:32
anything of my husband with everything that you're doing
35:36
down there, it was not regarded with the reverence that you
35:46
might have expected. It was not regarded as the crime
35:49
that you might have expected. It was a massive cover up,
35:54
really was of mega proportions beyond anything that I would
35:59
ever have imagined. Who was behind it?
36:02
I'm guessing not. Not that that grey haired Muslim
36:05
in a cave in the Middle East somewhere with a Nokia 5310.
36:11
The 93 bombing, even that's a controversy basically, from my
36:19
understanding is the FBI more or less goaded a few individuals
36:28
into doing that and providing them with the bombs.
36:32
I mean, how crazy is this? And somehow instead of fake
36:38
bombs, they got real bombs. Are you kidding me?
36:41
Seriously. You know, and that was supposed
36:47
to, I mean, I think 911 was in the planning for quite some
36:51
time. And I think that was could have
36:54
been part and parcel of, oh, look, they hit us once, you
36:59
know, and then 911 comes, oh, of course, they just came back to
37:05
finish the job. What, what would be the impetus
37:10
for that to bring the level of our military to come down on
37:19
you, your people, your country that you couldn't possibly fight
37:24
back in any equal terms? There's nobody that has the
37:29
stuff that our nation has. I mean, you know, we scare
37:37
people it basically. And you know, and I can't
37:42
imagine anybody in a foreign nation especially that's worried
37:48
about their own people willing to bring that on to themselves
37:54
to to what benefit? I mean to just say, look,
38:00
there's they're, they bullied US1 time, they bully us again.
38:04
Do you think that it was an Islamic attack?
38:09
I believe that there were patsies.
38:11
I do. I believe, and that's why I
38:14
believe Saudi Arabia is being normalized right now in our
38:19
country, normalizing the fact that we have allowed them to
38:24
invest in golf, all the sporting events, entertainment.
38:30
They're, they're trying to open their country up to some extent
38:34
or another to look more approachable, more accessible.
38:43
But you know, the bottom line, it's still an absolute monarchy.
38:48
And they'll as, as is evidenced with the gentleman Jamal
38:56
Khashoggi, he was a Washington Post reporter.
39:03
They, you know, he got chopped up in, in, in DC somewhere in a
39:12
consulate office. I mean, they're not opposed to
39:16
doing anything like that for about their dissenters, you
39:21
know, but I believe there were patsies, I do believe.
39:27
And that's why I think Saudi Arabia's, you know, being
39:31
normalized now because they did their part, you know what I
39:35
mean? It's.
39:37
Hard building 7 it still. It still blows my mind how few
39:44
people know about Building 7. Yeah.
39:49
And that, you know what? And more people should know
39:53
about that because it held so many offices of, you know, the
39:58
CIA. It was the emergent.
40:00
It was Giuliani's emergency bunker.
40:04
DoD. Yeah, the SEC was in there.
40:08
So like all the crimes of Enron and all of that, all the
40:12
paperwork was in there. Guess what happened?
40:15
It got destroyed, conveniently enough, right?
40:19
All these cases and, and, and FBI cases and whatnot, they were
40:25
all, all that paperwork was gone.
40:27
You know, apparently nobody did backup work back in the day,
40:31
which is another, you know, ridiculous notion.
40:38
But that building went down at 5:20.
40:40
You had photographers and reporters saying, oh, you know,
40:46
we heard, we hear reports that the Solomon building has
40:49
collapsed. That was the BBC.
40:51
And apparently the reporter just didn't realize the building was
40:56
still standing behind her. I remember, I remember seeing
41:00
that. And you go.
41:04
And I mean morning 7:00 it it fell in seven seconds.
41:09
Right. The the other two buildings came
41:11
back down, I think, I don't know, 11-12 seconds.
41:14
I mean, we're talking the tallest buildings in the world
41:20
in that amount of time and and people want to say it was a
41:23
collapse. Well, I'm sorry if this part of
41:27
the building was attacked, there was still at least, you know, 80
41:33
if you know, floors below that were still well intact that
41:39
should that that any collapse, it should have been the top part
41:42
of the buildings, not the whole of the buildings.
41:46
And and and they felt like they too had lost all their
41:50
integrity, everything that was below.
41:54
I mean, we're talking, you know, the firefighters even talk about
41:58
it. There was nothing left.
42:00
Not a toilet, not a computer, not a desk.
42:04
Wait, wait, wait. Go ahead.
42:06
They were, they were. They were passports.
42:08
Oh yes, miraculously, Oh my Lord, you know, and even there
42:14
were suppose they were engine parts found on planes.
42:20
I mean, John Lear again, he said.
42:24
They weren't even the right engines.
42:27
Yes. They were from they were from a
42:28
different aircraft. Yeah.
42:30
And you just go, I mean, I think at this late date now that
42:35
there's so much information that there's been dismissed, you
42:40
know, like ridiculous, what have you.
42:42
But it's 25 years. It's almost like who cares?
42:47
So, you know, we put in, you know, lousy parts to cover up,
42:55
but nobody's paying attention anymore.
42:58
If I'm following you correctly, Patricia, are you saying to this
43:03
day you still don't actually know what happened?
43:07
There is after we withdrew from Afghanistan in what was that,
43:13
2021? I think it was fully.
43:17
That was the last time you heard anybody talking about 911 as far
43:21
as officially remember, we were like fighting terrorism.
43:26
Well, terrorism apparently ended when we went into the Ukraine,
43:30
you know, backing the Ukraine. I mean, it's like just a switch.
43:37
So no one's talking about it. We've had, you know, a family
43:42
members, we've had several meetings.
43:44
You know, every time a new administration comes in or news
43:47
level of Congress, you have to almost go and re educate them.
43:52
I mean, most of these people are young.
43:55
They weren't they were children when it happened.
43:57
If if in fact, some of them were even alive back in the day, you
44:02
know, so you're saying, you know, we had this one meeting
44:05
with the some level of national security people.
44:10
And, you know, to my way of thinking, I'm like, do any of
44:17
you think it's reasonable that, you know, I guess I don't know
44:23
if it was 22 years later, what have you that in this country,
44:29
this land of the Constitution, all these laws that we have, no
44:34
one has been fully prosecuted for 9/11.
44:39
I, I said, tell me. And I, I said pointedly, I said,
44:43
I want each one of you to say, is this what you would have
44:48
expected from our country? It's legal system to not be able
44:53
to prosecute anyone for the crimes of 9/11 successfully.
44:59
There were plea deals. There's some plea deals out
45:01
there. I mean, we still have, I don't
45:04
know how many detainees left in Guantanamo Bay that now they
45:09
want to stay there. They've kind of built their own
45:11
little community over there. The detainees, I said, is this
45:18
reasonable that that that we wouldn't have a prosecution?
45:23
And they're like, I'm like you, you, you.
45:29
And they're like, no, I said, well, then please take this up
45:36
as as part of your legacy that you're going to clarify what
45:41
happened, you know, and, and give us some answers as to what,
45:46
what happened down there. You only get answers in a
45:49
courtroom basically from what I have seen.
45:53
Do you think that there is a lot of deliberate infiltration and
45:57
confusion going on in the non official narrative?
46:03
Sure. I mean, yeah.
46:06
I mean, I, I and I think the purpose is, you know, to keep us
46:10
spinning our wheels and and looking for somebody, you know,
46:16
the right people to come about and do the right things.
46:19
And it nothing's happened, it's 25 years.
46:25
I mean, why can't we come up with a definitive idea of what
46:31
happened even amongst ourselves? You know, it with these truth
46:37
groups, they, they won't work together.
46:39
I mean, that's just a ridiculous thing.
46:42
I mean, you either want the truth or you don't.
46:46
And if you you need to humble yourself, get rid of your ego
46:50
because what is this about you to, to carry on a cottage
46:54
business? Well, then I mean, that's,
46:57
that's ugly. I want the truth.
47:00
That's all I want. I don't want anybody else
47:04
walking in my shoes. I'm 64 years old.
47:08
This is not about me. I, my ego is well cost, you
47:13
know, and I wish other people would feel that way.
47:15
That you have grandchildren. Don't you want to see them grow
47:20
up in a world where they feel safe, or at least they have the
47:25
transparency from their government to know exactly what
47:29
they're capable of? I, I don't want military guys
47:35
going overseas and and getting hurt unnecessarily.
47:40
I mean, the whole Iraq thing was a farce.
47:43
You know, Colin Powell sitting there with a vial supposedly of
47:47
anthrax and what not telling us, you know, that at any moment
47:52
they're going to use weapons of mass destruction against our
47:56
nation. Again, it was a farce.
47:58
And then then it's so insulting you had Bush.
48:01
I think it there's some press dinner that that the White House
48:06
will, I guess, host annually. And he's making a farce out of
48:11
it. Like, oh, no, you know, he's
48:13
like the podium. Oh, no, weapons of mass
48:15
destruction here. I'm like thousands and thousands
48:20
of people died and you're making a joke of this.
48:25
This is the. President, he's the, he's the
48:27
same president who who said is our children learning.
48:32
Oi, oi. I mean it was, I had this one, I
48:42
ran into former president of Ireland.
48:45
It was a woman and she goes, so how are things going?
48:49
She knew she had been in a congressional office and we were
48:54
going into one. So we eventually we saw each
48:57
other in leisure. So how are things going?
48:59
I go, well, as you might understand, you know, you go to
49:04
war with the government you have not the one you want, you know
49:07
what I mean, or deserve necessarily.
49:11
And that's how it is. You know, I'm not I'm not right.
49:16
I'm not left. I just want, you know, decent
49:24
human beings running this country and, you know, not out
49:31
there, just total domination all the time.
49:35
I just don't believe in it. I mean, I think, you know, if I
49:41
look around at other people around me, none of us want this.
49:44
Doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on.
49:47
Nobody wants to be in a constant state of apprehension and war
49:52
and and being the bad guy. You know, you can promote all
49:55
you want that, you know, we promote democracy.
50:00
Yeah. At the end of a gun, you know,
50:05
does that really win friends? I don't think so.
50:09
It doesn't make the world more peaceful.
50:14
Did you remarry? No, I have a partner, you know,
50:19
he's great and you know, we are very happy together.
50:26
You know I'm done. And you?
50:31
That's it. Your.
50:32
So your your son now is in his 30s.
50:35
He's he is. He's in California.
50:37
Mm Hmm. Yep, Yep.
50:41
You know, I've kept him out a lot out from a lot of what I've
50:45
been doing. I didn't want to, you know, put
50:49
the responsibility of it all. I don't know if I did him a
50:53
favor or not. I have no idea.
50:56
What does he think happened? Oh, he thinks our government
51:00
lied through it all and the exact machinations.
51:06
I don't know that he has dialed in on that as much as as I have.
51:12
I don't. I'm pretty sure not.
51:15
You know, he's young. He's still trying to figure his
51:18
life out. It's, you know, and he has not,
51:24
he has not fared very well with that.
51:27
Like I said, my husband was his best friend.
51:30
He feels very alone, very alone in this world because it's an
51:36
experience that not many people have gone through.
51:40
And you know, I go to events with, with friends and, and it's
51:51
like, you know, the trivial nature of conversation and stuff
51:57
like that. It's, it's really hard to deal
52:00
in, you know, the problems that people bring up, you know, and,
52:06
and life goes on and I totally get that, But it's, it's, I feel
52:11
very isolated and I know my son does too, because you just look
52:19
at things with a different perspective once you've been
52:24
through something like this, you know, and I, I've said, I met my
52:27
sister died in a car accident. Death happens.
52:31
I get that. I don't, I don't have a, a
52:34
corner on that market, you know, but this was beyond what most
52:43
people go through and I don't wish it on my worst enemy.
52:48
I don't, you know, I don't have any enemies really, but I
52:53
wouldn't wish it on anyone do. You think we'll ever know the
52:57
truth? I don't know.
53:02
I really don't know. I always, you know, we we're the
53:07
families are in lawsuits with Saudi Arabia.
53:10
And to my way of thinking, it's like, all right, Saudi Arabia,
53:14
if you didn't have anything to do with this, you know, maybe
53:19
you were forced to offer up some patsies.
53:22
What have you get mad and say it wasn't you or all of then we,
53:29
however many nations are in this world.
53:32
We dragged everybody into our our craziness right after 911
53:40
and push back. I would hope that eventually
53:45
they'd be like enough already. We're we're not going to partake
53:49
in in the business of war that you keep fomenting on us.
53:55
It doesn't bode well for our country, you know, and push
54:00
back. And I would have hoped we would
54:04
have gotten more information that way, except for the fact I
54:07
do believe at some level there's, you know, with COVID,
54:13
you saw it. It's a global attack kind of on
54:17
people from every country. You know, who, who in their
54:22
right mind allowed all of that to happen?
54:26
You know, So you know, that's, This is why I'm not real
54:33
hopeful. It just seemed, but, but then I
54:39
don't know, maybe I, I look at COVID and I go, well, maybe
54:42
they're, I don't know, were they panicked feeling that they
54:45
needed to do something like that to gain more, more control that
54:52
they thought they were losing? I, I don't know.
54:54
It's really hard to for, you know, my lonely self to figure
55:01
all that out and there isn't really anyone place for
55:08
understanding that that somebody is is really filtering out all
55:12
the garbage and giving you accurate information.
55:17
You know, it's it's it's piece meal.
55:20
And yet these world events, you know, stuff that's happening
55:27
over, you know, in the Middle East affects us here and and
55:33
people don't real still realize that.
55:36
But I do think COVID opened up some people's eyes as to the
55:42
possibility that there is something nefarious going on.
55:49
And it's more directed at us than any, you know, as as as
55:57
opposed to say, you want to say it's an enemy of your country.
56:01
That was done to all of us. I mean.
56:07
Can you remember the last words that John said to you and vice
56:11
versa? As I said that, I wasn't going
56:16
in shock. I felt it go all over my body.
56:21
But I he just kept sobbing and sobbing.
56:25
I love you. I love you, you know, It was
56:28
total despair. And, you know, he was such an
56:35
alive person, you know? How long were you married?
56:40
13 years and we were together four years before that, so 17.
56:48
High school sweethearts. Not exactly.
56:51
I met him in a disco. A a disco.
56:55
A disco. You're showing your age, yes.
56:58
Yes, exactly, exactly. You know, and it was, it was one
57:03
of those kismet things. I told my girlfriend that I was
57:07
with I think he's the one and he told his friend that he was with
57:11
that I was the one. And you know, was it was it a
57:18
smooth Rd. Not exactly.
57:21
We went through all the, you know, gyrations as any couple
57:24
does when you first get together, you know, trying to
57:28
figure out, you know, is this person really for me and not,
57:34
you know, I think it's actually, I think if, if the truth comes
57:39
out, it's going to be from a lot of foreign countries and what
57:43
have you and people, good people working together.
57:51
You know, especially from the standpoint 911 didn't happen in
57:57
your country. You don't have a lot of, you
58:00
know, as much emotional connection to it all.
58:04
And you know, I'm so close to it.
58:09
I'm, I'm, you know, I can give you so many stories of, of what
58:14
happened to us along the journey in DC and the like.
58:20
But I get, I do get caught up in the emotion of it all.
58:24
And I appreciate you from a further, you know, you can step
58:31
back from it and analyze it, you know, more thoroughly without
58:38
throwing the emotional component in there that will only maybe
58:44
distract from getting to the facts of what happened.
58:49
I I think the truth, if it's going to happen, will come from
58:53
outside the United States, not necessarily within.
58:58
There's too many people that have worked to worked with the
59:06
government, worked in different, in different political parties,
59:10
different they've, they're with different corporations and
59:14
there's so many intertwined people with covering up what
59:20
happened. You know, you can't have this
59:22
job without saying that you weren't part and parcel of
59:28
working with bad people. You know what I mean?
59:31
The corporations are so involved.
59:35
Are the government so involved? Contracts that come from the
59:38
government are so involved that we're we're too, too many people
59:44
are inextricably tied to all of the actors that could have been
59:50
involved in 911 that I don't think you could separate them
59:56
and discern a good guy from the bad guy at this point.
1:00:01
There's so many overlapping dependencies, you know, jobs and
1:00:09
things like that, that people have taken.
1:00:13
We have a ton of military people in this country.
1:00:16
I don't think any one of them wants to think that they were
1:00:19
duped into a war. And they, you know, they have to
1:00:23
have a mindset to feel that they're doing, they were doing
1:00:27
the right thing. And so they stay safe, you know
1:00:32
what I mean? So I think we're way too close
1:00:34
to the event here. So that's where my hope is, is
1:00:39
from people from the outside of the United States will, you
1:00:44
know, get to the truth. That's why one of the things
1:00:46
with that Jeff Campbell's family, I was hoping that they
1:00:51
would look at look at more and more factors from other groups
1:01:00
like Judy Wood and you know, Mark Conlon and the planes and
1:01:04
things like that. So that any suit that he that
1:01:09
the family would bring would have more evidence rather than,
1:01:18
you know, relying on the story that we were all told.
1:01:25
So that was my intent is hope that they would look at for the
1:01:29
whole truth, not just one that furthered their suit along in
1:01:35
some some fashion. And, and, and I realize it's
1:01:40
hard because it's like the there's so much resistance out
1:01:45
there. Patricia, thank you for your
1:01:51
story and thank you for joining me in the trenches.
1:01:55
I appreciate it. Thanks very much.