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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: Televised Confessesion: 'I Killed My Parents, Buried Them in Backyard' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Quody balance. But Joseph Scott.
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Speaker 2: More I, for one, like the idea of having what's
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Speaker 2: called a family plot.
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Speaker 3: Family plot can either say that you're maybe you have
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Speaker 3: a space in a local municipal cemetery, or maybe you
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Speaker 3: have a place in your church's graveyard, or it can
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Speaker 3: mean that you actually have a plot set aside for
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Speaker 3: burial of your loved ones on property that perhaps has
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Speaker 3: been in your family for years and years. I don't
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Speaker 3: know if the word quaint quite applies here, but there's
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Speaker 3: something I think on one level that's kind of comforting.
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Speaker 3: That is, if you're buried on your family's property, he'll
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Speaker 3: be perpetually taken care of. Today, on Bodybacks, we're going
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Speaker 3: to talk about a fellow who literally decided to bury
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Speaker 3: his mom and dad on his own property in the
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Speaker 3: backyard eight years ago, after he, of course allegedly murder
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Speaker 3: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks. There's something comforting,
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Speaker 3: Dave about I think on one level about perpetual care.
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Speaker 3: Maybe I think it's more of a comfort to those
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Speaker 3: that remain as opposed to those that are passed on,
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Speaker 3: because I don't think the ones that have passed on
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Speaker 3: truly have an awareness of this sort of thing. I'm
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Speaker 3: not going to address the spiritual, but I think scientifically,
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Speaker 3: you know, they don't have an awareness of it. But
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Speaker 3: it's kind of a maybe it's a quaint notion. Like
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Speaker 3: I said, you don't have these very often, and you
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Speaker 3: know you, I got to tell you a quick story.
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Speaker 3: There was a place in Atlanta, and you'll find this
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Speaker 3: kind of interesting. There was a place in Atlanta neighborhood
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Speaker 3: in Atlanta that's called actually called Cabbage Town. I don't
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Speaker 3: know if you've ever heard of cabbage Town, Dave, but.
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Speaker 1: It's I bet it's like socks.
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Speaker 3: Well. It's actually a place where where people from Appalachia
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Speaker 3: came to Atlanta to work in the mills, and they
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Speaker 3: came lockstock and barrel, and they still had relatives that
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Speaker 3: lived up in that mountainous region of North Georgia and
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Speaker 3: points beyond. Because there's work in the big city, right
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Speaker 3: and the habited these you know, quickly built wooden structures
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Speaker 3: that in the South at least we call the mill villages.
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Speaker 3: They're adjacent to textile mills and that sort of thing.
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Speaker 3: But Cabbagetown in particular had these kind of interesting rolling
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Speaker 3: features to it. You know, the hills were I mean
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Speaker 3: the roads, you know, kind of cut off in different directions.
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Speaker 3: And there were these these families that had dwelled these
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Speaker 3: houses for a couple of generations, but they would still
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Speaker 3: go back up home to see their kin folk. Well,
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Speaker 3: we had a fellow in Atlanta that had died, right,
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Speaker 3: and he had died violently in a car accident, and
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Speaker 3: he was domiciled in Cabbagetown. Well, his family wanted to
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Speaker 3: retrieve his remains. His family lived up in the North
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Speaker 3: Georgia Mountains. His family showed up with a flatbed truck
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Speaker 3: to pick up his remains, and they had signed all
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Speaker 3: the proper paperwork.
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Speaker 1: By the way, really.
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Speaker 3: They wanted to handle picking him up. They didn't want
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Speaker 3: a funeral home to do it. So we released the body.
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Speaker 3: We released the body to them, and he was left
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Speaker 3: in a body bag and he was strapped to the
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Speaker 3: back of a flatbed truck and off they went up
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Speaker 3: into the Blue Ridge Mountains where he would be buried
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Speaker 3: in the family plot. I was always fascinated by that. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and it wasn't my case. It was one of my colleagues,
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Speaker 3: and it had the story was related to me. It
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Speaker 3: had happened late at night. You know, they show up,
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Speaker 3: which normally happens. You know, if you in a busy
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Speaker 3: medical examiner's office, bodies are literally being picked up and
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Speaker 3: delivered all hours of day, day at night. You worked
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Speaker 3: in a funeral home for a while, I know, and this,
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Speaker 3: you know, is unpredictable. So you can have a funeral
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Speaker 3: home that'll come from out of town. They might hit
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Speaker 3: the city, you know, at midnight, one, two in the morning.
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Speaker 3: They're there to pick up remains. They're going to put
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Speaker 3: the remains in their heart typically or their van and
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Speaker 3: haul them off. In this case, they were taking this
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Speaker 3: old boy back up to the mountains and they were
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Speaker 3: going to bury him the family flat.
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Speaker 4: I love the fact that you said they got the
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Speaker 4: right paperwork.
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Speaker 3: That yes they did. They they had gone through and
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Speaker 3: had gotten I think it was a burial certificate, which
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Speaker 3: also they it was required for them to have a
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Speaker 3: burial certificate to bury his remains on the property, you know,
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Speaker 3: because there has to be an accounting for where the
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Speaker 3: body is.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 3: And you know, they had all these measures taken care
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Speaker 3: of and it was an accidental case. It was not
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Speaker 3: like it was an ongoing homicide investigation.
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Speaker 1: Well see, you see that sounds like a lot of love.
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Speaker 4: That's a family that has the family plot, and there's
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Speaker 4: no Alfred Hitchcock movie coming out about it. It's just
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Speaker 4: you know, they're going to take care of their loved one.
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Speaker 4: But what we're dealing what we're dealing with here as communicate, communicate.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.
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Speaker 4: You know Joe, this loving son who when we look
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Speaker 4: at his parents' ages, they were ninety two. Yeah, Franz
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Speaker 4: Krause was ninety two and Teresa krousse eighty three. Okay,
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Speaker 4: that's today, that's how old they would be today. But
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Speaker 4: they were killed eight years ago. They haven't been seen
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Speaker 4: since August of twenty seventeen. So take away eight years
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Speaker 4: and you're talking about Franz Crouse was eighty four and
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Speaker 4: Teresa Krause seventy five, seventy five. That's that's not crawling
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Speaker 4: in the basket, you know. Anyway, we'll talk more about
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Speaker 4: their physical condition in a few minutes, but I just
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Speaker 4: wanted to get this off my chest because you need
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Speaker 4: to know that Lawrence Kraus wrote up this two page manifesto,
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Speaker 4: so to speak. You sent to every media outlet in town,
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Speaker 4: and there was an investigation happening at the house. The
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Speaker 4: self security administration in the bank and a few other
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Speaker 4: financial institutions were concerned that they hadn't seen mister and
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Speaker 4: miss Krause for eight years, and they tried to reach
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Speaker 4: out to him.
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Speaker 1: They tried to contact him over the years.
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Speaker 4: It wasn't like it just started one day last week,
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Speaker 4: you know, over the years, they had made several attempts
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Speaker 4: to make contact with the crowd with mister missus Crosson.
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Speaker 4: Couldn't couldn't do it. And that's when finally Social Security
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Speaker 4: asked the police to go do a welfare check, and
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Speaker 4: that's when they started realizing we got a bigger problem here.
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Speaker 4: So I just want to be clear on this because
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Speaker 4: their son, their loving son, sends out this two page manifesto,
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Speaker 4: and he gets a callback from a news anchor at
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Speaker 4: the local CBS affiliate in town. This news anchor has
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Speaker 4: been in the business of broadcasting news for forty five years.
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Speaker 1: This ain't his first rodeo. I will tell you that.
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Speaker 4: If you sit down with Greg Floyd, a forty five
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Speaker 4: year veteran newsman, He's going to get out of you
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Speaker 4: what he wants. He's going to figure you out. That's
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Speaker 4: what he does. He knows how to tell a story.
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Speaker 4: And what you do in this case is you find
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Speaker 4: what that person really wants to tell and you create
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Speaker 4: opportunities for them to tell it. He knew that he
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Speaker 4: that Cross really wanted to confess, and he was using
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Speaker 4: this two page manifesto of his belief system as the bait.
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Speaker 4: But he didn't want to confess. He didn't want to see.
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Speaker 4: He didn't want to admit it. He knows the jag
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Speaker 4: is up once I do this. But mister Floyd would
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Speaker 4: not give in. He would not He allowed him to
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Speaker 4: dig a hole, but he kept handing him the shovel.
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Speaker 4: You know, it's a brilliant piece of work. I hope
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Speaker 4: you get a chance to watch the video. Like I said,
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Speaker 4: The news anchor's name is Greg Floyd. He works for
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Speaker 4: the local CBS affiliate in Albany, New York, w RGB,
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Speaker 4: Channel six. It is it is something I should be
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Speaker 4: studied by, should be studied by everybody in broadcasting. This
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Speaker 4: is how you do an interview when you have no
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Speaker 4: time to prepare. He had ten minutes to prepare for
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Speaker 4: the interview of his life, and he's able to get
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Speaker 4: a very intelligent guy to confess to the murder of
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Speaker 4: his parents, and it's a confession on tape that will
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Speaker 4: hold up in court.
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Speaker 3: I think that it probably will because it wasn't elicited
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Speaker 3: by the police. This is a civilian doing this, and
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Speaker 3: can they use that, Yeah, I think they will. They're
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Speaker 3: certainly going to push forward with a trial in this
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Speaker 3: case because this individual has in fact been charged. But
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Speaker 3: it just goes to show you you never know who's
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Speaker 3: going to walk into a studio, and more than that,
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Speaker 3: you never know what they might say. Deranged, which is
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Speaker 3: an adjective, It's a descriptor, right, is a word that
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Speaker 3: is used to describe someone. And here's a definition. I
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Speaker 3: think this is actually Webster's definition of a person wildly
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Speaker 3: irrational or uncontrolled, such as in a deranged gunman. You know,
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Speaker 3: we hear that term frequently in the media. I was
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Speaker 3: reading an article, Dave in a New York Post, and
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Speaker 3: they used the term deranged to describe this son who
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Speaker 3: went into the studio relative to you know, what what
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Speaker 3: he had done. You know, and this is after the fact, Dave,
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Speaker 3: we're eight years down range from the disappearance of his parents.
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Speaker 3: I don't I think someone at the editorial the editorial
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Speaker 3: people with New York posts need to sit down with
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Speaker 3: some of their reporters and have a discussion about the
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Speaker 3: word deranged, because this doesn't seem like somebody that is
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Speaker 3: in fact deranged if they're acting in an irrational manner.
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Speaker 3: I wonder if he was deranged when he was cashing
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Speaker 3: the checks. What say you?
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Speaker 1: I think that.
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Speaker 4: You know, a lot of words are misapplied, they're misused.
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Speaker 4: I hate the term superstar. I hate the term bravery
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Speaker 4: being used for people that are not brave. They're just
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Speaker 4: usually full of bs. You know, we reward people for
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Speaker 4: crazy things these days, and this guy's not deranged. He
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Speaker 4: actually it's interesting because this is I wanted the opening paragraph.
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Speaker 4: And by the way, it was the CBS affiliate that
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Speaker 4: actually got this news thing is WRGBTV. And it's not
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Speaker 4: that RGBTV was the target for this guy. Lawrence Krause
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Speaker 4: sent that email out to everybody in the community, and
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Speaker 4: this is the one that responded, and this is what
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Speaker 4: it says in the opening paragraph. A man admitted during
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Speaker 4: a television interview last week to killing his parents and
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Speaker 4: burying them in the backyard of their Upstate New York
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Speaker 4: home eight years ago. Then he was arrested as he
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Speaker 4: left the studio. The stunning on camera confession from Laurence
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Speaker 4: Kraus fifty three came a day after police say they
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Speaker 4: recovered two bodies from the home in Albany as part
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Speaker 4: of an investigation that found Krau's parents, Bronz and Teresa,
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Speaker 4: were still receiving Social Security payments despite not having been
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Speaker 4: seen or heard from in years.
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Speaker 1: Eight years. Joe, I think about that. Where were you
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Speaker 1: eight years ago? And what were you doing?
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Speaker 3: Oh lord, let's see where was I I had. I
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Speaker 3: was into my second or third year here at Jack State,
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Speaker 3: you know, working as a professor, appearing on air, doing
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Speaker 3: a lot of the stuff I'm doing right now. But
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Speaker 3: it wasn't quite at this tempo that I work at now.
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Speaker 3: Wasn't doing a podcast eight years ago. But yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I mean that's where I was. Here's the chilling thing
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Speaker 3: about that. I love the fact that you referenced time
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Speaker 3: here because people, I think that people think these things
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Speaker 3: happen in a vacuum. Many times, there are cases like this.
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Speaker 3: There are currently cases out there right now that we're
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Speaker 3: not even aware of. Where you have a child perhaps
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Speaker 3: that has killed their parents. Parents are missing, have been
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Speaker 3: missing for a while, and the child has has gotten
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Speaker 3: rid of the remains one way or another. You know,
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Speaker 3: you and I you know, always harp on dismemberment. But
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Speaker 3: you know we've covered those cases. We've covered burning, reducing
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Speaker 3: the body through cremation, and in some cases like this burial.
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Speaker 3: I you know, it harkened back. I think I've mentioned
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Speaker 3: this case before to a case that we consulted on
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Speaker 3: many years ago. When I was with a corner in
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Speaker 3: New Orleans. There was an adjacent city where a guy
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Speaker 3: had been living in the house, his wife had none
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Speaker 3: missing his wife. And this is right out by the way.
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Speaker 3: This is right after luminol stepped onto the stage as
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Speaker 3: an instrument, and a friend of mine, one of my colleagues,
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Speaker 3: was one of the first people in Louisiana to be
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Speaker 3: trained up utilizing luminol. He was a forensic scientist and
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Speaker 3: he agreed to go to this jurisdiction and apply it
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Speaker 3: in the basement of the house. What happened is the
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Speaker 3: guy that lived in the house sold the house, and
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Speaker 3: the cops had been watching the house for a protracted
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Speaker 3: period of time. They knew they thought that the wife
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Speaker 3: had been killed in the house. And my friend shows up,
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Speaker 3: and you know, he's having to explain, you know, how
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Speaker 3: to use luminol and all that sort of thing. And
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Speaker 3: I want you to know, they peel the carpet back
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Speaker 3: in the basement of this home and sprayed it. And
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Speaker 3: this is many years later, and it just began to luminess.
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Speaker 3: And you have to do this in the dark, you know,
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Speaker 3: and you have to be keen. And this is back
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Speaker 3: when we were using thirty five millimeters photography and you
15:28
Speaker 3: have to be very very sensitive to the settings on
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Speaker 3: your film and these sorts of things on your camera.
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Speaker 3: Rather and as it turns out, the new couple, the
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Speaker 3: couple that had bought the house hadn't moved in yet, Dave,
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Speaker 3: can you imagine having a cop show up and they said, hey,
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Speaker 3: we think this guy may have killed his wife in
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Speaker 3: the house.
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Speaker 1: You just s fought.
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Speaker 3: And they had a statement from the next door neighbor
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Speaker 3: that from years earlier that the neighbors had said he
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Speaker 3: had they used to didn't have a rose garden, now
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Speaker 3: to have a rose guarden. I want you to know,
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Speaker 3: they dug up the rose guard and the wife was
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Speaker 3: buried there your pardon. Yeah, yeah, I never promise you.
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Speaker 3: I said what you did. They're very well done. Yeah
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Speaker 3: and so yeah, and so this this does happen. You know,
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Speaker 3: these ideas of concealment, and from a forensics perspective, here's
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Speaker 3: here's kind of what you're faced with, because this is
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Speaker 3: what is referred to as a clandestine grave or some
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Speaker 3: people say clandestine grave, where you're you're attempting to conceal
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Speaker 3: a body. Now, you can't say necessarily that that you
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Speaker 3: have a homicide on your hands, but you do know
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Speaker 3: you do have somebody that is making an attempt to
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Speaker 3: keep the body out of view so that no one
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Speaker 3: else will find it. I guess in principle, maybe from
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Speaker 3: a practice standpoint point, it might be a good idea,
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Speaker 3: you know, to try to do it, to try to
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Speaker 3: render it down. But if you can't put distance between
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Speaker 3: yourself and the body and you're still domiciled at that location,
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Speaker 3: they show up and they disinter the bodies, dig up
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Speaker 3: the backyard, which you would have had to have done.
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Speaker 3: They would have called in a forensic anthropologist. You know,
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Speaker 3: you're they're going to be looking at you really hard
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Speaker 3: at this point because you have to ask who has
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Speaker 3: access to the backyard, who would have time in order
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Speaker 3: to do this, and who would who would kill two
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Speaker 3: elderly people like this?
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Speaker 4: Okay, and when we get into this, I'm curious because
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Speaker 4: going to the end of the story, first, I would
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Speaker 4: have thought that the smell of decomposition would have been prevalent,
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Speaker 4: that neighbors would have smelled, even if you bury them
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Speaker 4: a few feet deep. I would have thought that that
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Speaker 4: people would smell it.
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Speaker 3: No, uh no, what I think probably it's masked greatly.
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Speaker 3: And of course this is and it's kind of common sense,
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Speaker 3: I think. First off, have you wrapped the body? Did
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Speaker 3: he wrap the body in anything? Is there any remnant?
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Speaker 3: You know, we just did the case about the woman
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Speaker 3: in the well and they found the burlap sack one
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Speaker 3: hundred years ago that she had been wrapped in and
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Speaker 3: dumped down the well. Great story. I've thought about that
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Speaker 3: several times since we laid that one down. And if
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Speaker 3: he concealed their bodies or cocoon the bodies and then
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Speaker 3: bury them. But a lot of this is going to
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Speaker 3: be depth related. And what did he do with the soil?
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Speaker 3: You know, how did he did he do anything to
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Speaker 3: did he add soil?
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Speaker 1: To it.
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Speaker 3: Did he go out and augment because you know, you
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Speaker 3: can dig a hole. Here's one of the problems with
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Speaker 3: clandestine graves and truth, I mean clandestine burials. Let me
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Speaker 3: just say that, because again, you can in a clandestine manner,
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Speaker 3: you can get rid of a body. But when you
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Speaker 3: have a clandestine burial, you're not going to have a
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Speaker 3: vault to put a body in. So what does that mean. Well,
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Speaker 3: if you dig a hole and it's just a hole
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Speaker 3: in the earth, and let's say you decide to go
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Speaker 3: down six feet, okay, Well, once you put that body
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Speaker 3: at the bottom of that hole, you know you talked
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Speaker 3: about the smell of decomposition. You might not spell the decomposition.
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Speaker 3: But one of the things that's going to be evidenced,
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Speaker 3: and this is kind of cool, is that if you
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Speaker 3: look at a traditional image of a burial where you
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Speaker 3: got earth that's mounded up. You know, and I know
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Speaker 3: we've all seen this, and you know in literature and
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Speaker 3: movies and that sort of thing, where you've got a
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Speaker 3: mound of earth where a body has been buried beneath
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Speaker 3: the ground. Guess what happens, Well, the soil begins to
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Speaker 3: sink and as the body decomposes at the bottom. Okay,
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Speaker 3: all that tissue begins to disappear, the thing is going
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Speaker 3: to sink even more so, you don't have the framework
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Speaker 3: of like a concrete vault that's stuck in the ground,
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Speaker 3: like when you put into a regular you know, city cemetery,
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Speaker 3: where you drop this concrete vault in there and you
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Speaker 3: put a lid over it and you pack down. You know,
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Speaker 3: they got the machinery they pack it down and all that.
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Speaker 3: You don't have access to that unless he's got you know,
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Speaker 3: he's got like a little skid steer or something like
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Speaker 3: that that he can go out there. If you're digging
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Speaker 3: these holes by hand. Also you can go back behind
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Speaker 3: it and you can stack gravel perhaps or rock and
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Speaker 3: then bury that on top of the bodies as well.
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Speaker 3: But still you're going there's there's nothing like nature to
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Speaker 3: pack soil. If you have virgin, untouched soil, maybe the
20:49
Speaker 3: soil has literally never been turned in this area. Now
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Speaker 3: I doubt it, because this is a plot where a
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Speaker 3: home was built at some point time. So you have
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Speaker 3: to imagine that some uh, some earth had been moved
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Speaker 3: at some point in time in the distant past. It's
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Speaker 3: going to change the configuration of the mound there that
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Speaker 3: you have where you have it kind of in dwelling,
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Speaker 3: it's going to begin to collapse in on itself.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 4: I'm amazed at the things I don't think about sometimes
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Speaker 4: when we get ready to do a story. You know,
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Speaker 4: it didn't occur to me, so I don't.
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Speaker 3: Think about them many times until I go back to
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Speaker 3: a case. Nowadays, I don't think about it and I'm like, oh, okay,
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Speaker 3: this is something that I once knew and that and
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Speaker 3: that you know, I was practiced at. You know, you know,
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Speaker 3: you rekindle these things in your brain, you begin to
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Speaker 3: think about.
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Speaker 1: Them, all right.
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Speaker 4: Well, in this particular case, I have to wonder Joe
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Speaker 4: as Laurence Kraus, Uh, like I said, they figured this out.
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Speaker 4: They say they being pretty much probably accountant because nobody
21:57
Speaker 4: had seen.
21:58
Speaker 1: It's just you know, Alvan, he's not a big place.
22:00
Speaker 3: It's uh see the government for the New York Yeah.
22:04
Speaker 4: But from a neighborhood standpoint, you know, just like your neighborhood.
22:08
Speaker 4: My neighborhood, people asked questions and you know, somebody's looking
22:13
Speaker 4: at this guy, going, I haven't seen his parents. You're
22:16
Speaker 4: down at the bank you're dealing with somebody's gonna talk. Okay,
22:21
Speaker 4: when they don't see mom and dad in here and
22:23
Speaker 4: they see you living off their money, somebody's they're going
22:25
Speaker 4: to be jealous and be they're going to want to
22:27
Speaker 4: know what happened.
22:28
Speaker 3: And so yeah, and you know, it begs a question,
22:32
Speaker 3: you know, when you're an investigator and you're you're working
22:34
Speaker 3: on cases like this, who else knew the crosses?
22:38
Speaker 1: You know?
22:38
Speaker 3: Who like were there? Did they have any living siblings?
22:42
Speaker 3: Were there any cousins that were still love They're elderly,
22:45
Speaker 3: so you have to assume that their parents had passed on.
22:49
Speaker 1: But did they have laurens?
22:51
Speaker 3: They were siblings, have any kids?
22:54
Speaker 4: According to him, they were World War two Nazi survivors,
22:58
Speaker 4: survivors of Nazi Germany, you know, which does kind of
23:01
Speaker 4: lead you. I'm glad you pointed that out about the
23:03
Speaker 4: did they have any other relatives because if they did,
23:07
Speaker 4: shame on them.
23:08
Speaker 3: Yeah?
23:08
Speaker 1: Eight years, come on, eight years. Yeah, but elderly people.
23:12
Speaker 4: I hope I make it to ninety and you don't
23:14
Speaker 4: hear from me from that, You don't show up and
23:16
Speaker 4: find me in my recliner, you know, skeletoniz?
23:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and you have to because it's one thing. Okay,
23:24
Speaker 3: it's one thing if you're taking care of elderly parents,
23:27
Speaker 3: all right, and you have dad that passes away, and
23:32
Speaker 3: there's all those you know, kind of And I don't
23:35
Speaker 3: necessarily think they're anecdotal stories, Dave. As a matter of fact,
23:39
Speaker 3: I recall having worked one similar to it. You know
23:42
Speaker 3: these stories that pop up in the news, I know
23:43
Speaker 3: you're aware of them, where you'll have an elderly couple
23:46
Speaker 3: have been together for years and years and the wife
23:48
Speaker 3: will died and then the husband will diestly, yeah, shortly after,
23:51
Speaker 3: or or conversely, you know it can happen like that.
23:54
Speaker 3: But what are the odds that both parents would essentially
24:00
Speaker 3: slip off the mortal coil, if you will, into the
24:04
Speaker 3: great beyond without even leaving a trace, Dave. A real
24:26
Speaker 3: tip of the cap here too. And I love the
24:29
Speaker 3: fact that you used the term newsman. You don't hear
24:36
Speaker 3: that term used much anymore. This this guy, he's actually
24:42
Speaker 3: an anchor. His name's Greg Floyd. I really if I
24:48
Speaker 3: could sit down have a cup of coffee with him,
24:49
Speaker 3: I would love just to sit there, ask him maybe
24:52
Speaker 3: two questions and just let him talk. I'd love to
24:55
Speaker 3: hear what his gut reaction was to all this and
24:59
Speaker 3: being perfec professional in media. I'm sure that you know,
25:02
Speaker 3: he would try to keep it right down the line,
25:05
Speaker 3: but you know, at a human level, he's sitting across
25:08
Speaker 3: He's sitting across from this guy saying this is the
25:11
Speaker 3: last thing I expected when I woke up this morning.
25:14
Speaker 3: You know, I can I can only imagine the tale.
25:17
Speaker 3: And what's really fascinating about this, Dave, is that this case,
25:20
Speaker 3: these cases are going to go to trial. He's going
25:24
Speaker 3: to be compelled to testify and he'll be up on
25:27
Speaker 3: the stand and it's it's a rare thing when you
25:29
Speaker 3: hear reporters testify, you know, so in this case, you will,
25:32
Speaker 3: you probably because you know he's the one that kind
25:34
Speaker 3: of glinks because they're going to want him to break down.
25:37
Speaker 3: How did this work? What was your motivation for you know,
25:40
Speaker 3: offering this this guy, uh, you know, access to you
25:44
Speaker 3: and to you know, to your your your megaphone that
25:48
Speaker 3: you have with the media, and uh, you know. And
25:51
Speaker 3: the thing about it is, it's all on tape, brother,
25:54
Speaker 3: every bit is on tape. With with this case.
25:57
Speaker 4: It makes you when you look at the history of
26:01
Speaker 4: the guy of Floyd. Mister Floyd had been in the
26:03
Speaker 4: business for forty five years. Okay, he's not a rookie.
26:07
Speaker 4: And when this two page email comes in from somebody
26:11
Speaker 4: that they just found two bodies in the backyard, and he,
26:15
Speaker 4: you know, he wants he wants his statement post.
26:17
Speaker 1: That's where this whole thing started with.
26:21
Speaker 4: The son, the the killer, the son or the alleged killer,
26:26
Speaker 4: the admitted killer. I don't know the right word, but anyway,
26:29
Speaker 4: Lawrence Krause sends an email to all the media, newspaper, radio, TV,
26:34
Speaker 4: sends it out to everybody, and he's saying, I want
26:37
Speaker 4: this posted. You know, I'm on your website. It's my
26:40
Speaker 4: two page explanation of why they're in the backyard. And
26:45
Speaker 4: nobody responded. And it's probably because there was probably nobody
26:49
Speaker 4: at the radio stations there, you know, because they're all
26:52
Speaker 4: brought in from outside nobody, you know, local radio and
26:55
Speaker 4: TV are not really local anymore. And so this one newsplace,
27:01
Speaker 4: they are a man, and they did have a professional
27:03
Speaker 4: in there. And so he reaches out and says, heay, what, buddy,
27:08
Speaker 4: We'll post this on our website if you come in
27:10
Speaker 4: for an interview.
27:12
Speaker 1: So it's a little trade off here.
27:13
Speaker 4: You know, you don't know if this guy is going
27:16
Speaker 4: to go, you know, David Koresh, you know, wanting to
27:19
Speaker 4: open up the Seven Seals before he gives you the truth.
27:22
Speaker 4: But this guy said, okay, let's do it. And so
27:25
Speaker 4: Floyd has like ten minutes to prepare ten minutes. So
27:28
Speaker 4: in that ten minutes, he knows the bodies are in
27:30
Speaker 4: the backyard, and he knows they're elderly, so he's probably
27:33
Speaker 4: gonna assume they were getting some kind of payment here.
27:35
Speaker 4: Money's coming in. There's gonna have to He's going to
27:38
Speaker 4: justify something. And so once he gets him in there,
27:44
Speaker 4: the son is trying to make it seem like he
27:46
Speaker 4: was doing a suddenly duty, a child's way of taking
27:50
Speaker 4: care of mom and dad. Well, just because somebody's old
27:53
Speaker 4: doesn't mean they're headed for the dirt. You know, there
27:57
Speaker 4: are a lot of people that are very old that
27:58
Speaker 4: are living vibrant lives. You know, Clint Eastwood is still
28:02
Speaker 4: directing movies and he's one hundred and fifty seven.
28:04
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, yeah, you're you're right. And you know,
28:08
Speaker 3: one of the one of the things that he had
28:12
Speaker 3: he had he had stated as his rationale I think
28:15
Speaker 3: he's he's regarding this as a mercy killing. Essentially, that
28:19
Speaker 3: is what it comes down to. And one of the
28:21
Speaker 3: things that he had stated his rationale is his parents
28:26
Speaker 3: were and again I'm kind of using my own words here,
28:32
Speaker 3: that his parents were declining in health. And one of
28:37
Speaker 3: one of the one of the reasons cited is that
28:42
Speaker 3: his parents had had Uh the dad had been hit
28:46
Speaker 3: at some point in time as a pedestrian and had,
28:50
Speaker 3: you know, could not ambulate real well. Mom had had
28:56
Speaker 3: cataract surgery. Now I got I got to tell you,
29:00
Speaker 3: I didn't know cataract surgery was a qualification for you know,
29:04
Speaker 3: for murder. But you know, if everybody in America that
29:10
Speaker 3: had had cataract surgery, if that condemns you to death,
29:13
Speaker 3: oh my lord, we'd lose at the population. That's a
29:16
Speaker 3: that's the perspective he's coming from. Day.
29:19
Speaker 4: I'm taking them out of their misery, Joe, my dad
29:22
Speaker 4: not getting around like he used to him. Mom just
29:23
Speaker 4: had cataract surgery. They're both they're old, and they're falling apart.
29:27
Speaker 4: I'm just going to help them so they can die
29:29
Speaker 4: in peace and at their own home. And again, this
29:33
Speaker 4: guy's level of he needs to be a salesman, but
29:38
Speaker 4: he's not. He's going to be selling in prison now.
29:41
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I don't understand it.
29:44
Speaker 4: Now I know what he did. How did he accomplish
29:47
Speaker 4: killing his mom and his dad?
29:48
Speaker 3: Joe, listen, this is according to the interview, and it's
29:53
Speaker 3: it is one of the more chilling things I've heard
29:55
Speaker 3: in some time. And I've already shared this with you,
29:57
Speaker 3: but I think our friends need to know. And this
29:59
Speaker 3: is you know, actually from uh from the local the
30:06
Speaker 3: local news outlet up there. He actually confesses and when
30:13
Speaker 3: he confesses, he tells them in this taping that he
30:21
Speaker 3: had in fact suffocated his father. Now, when you say suffocate,
30:30
Speaker 3: that's very specific because it's suffocation, just like other ways
30:37
Speaker 3: to compromise the airway are considered to be as phixial deaths,
30:41
Speaker 3: which is phixial means that you're depriving someone of oxygen. Okay,
30:46
Speaker 3: so how would you go about suffocating somebody? Well, there
30:51
Speaker 3: are any number of ways, uh, suffocation, smothering. You know, you
30:56
Speaker 3: begin to think about using a pillow, place a plastic
31:00
Speaker 3: bag over somebody's head or even even the hand. Uh,
31:07
Speaker 3: if they're in a debilitated state, which you know, he
31:11
Speaker 3: he's making the argument that they're physically compromised at this
31:15
Speaker 3: point in time in their lives. Would you would you
31:19
Speaker 3: hold your hand pinch your dad's nose and hold holds
31:22
Speaker 3: your hand over his mouth? What what kind of person
31:26
Speaker 3: would do this to their father? And then he makes
31:30
Speaker 3: this is the real chilling party kills his dad at
31:32
Speaker 3: this point in tom Then he says, and get this, David,
31:38
Speaker 3: that his mother laid her head on the chest of
31:45
Speaker 3: her now deceased husband, and the son stated allegedly that
31:53
Speaker 3: he allowed her to be with the man for a
31:57
Speaker 3: couple of hours. And then he pooks the exclamation point
32:03
Speaker 3: by saying, I put her out of her misery by
32:06
Speaker 3: using a rope. So now he's suffocated his dad allegedly
32:14
Speaker 3: and has taken a rope wrapped around his mama's throat
32:19
Speaker 3: and choked the life out of her with it. Now
32:22
Speaker 3: that's a ligature strangulation. Again, it falls under the broad
32:25
Speaker 3: category of his sphyxial death. And he sees this apparently
32:29
Speaker 3: as a mercy killing, that this was merciful. But then
32:33
Speaker 3: you have to decide at this point in time, what's
32:38
Speaker 3: going to do with mom and dad? And apparently he
32:40
Speaker 3: lingered for some time thinking about this, maybe a couple
32:43
Speaker 3: of days, thinking about, you know, how do I dispose
32:45
Speaker 3: the remains. One of the most fascinating aspects to people
32:49
Speaker 3: that kill individuals to me, and they do it in
32:53
Speaker 3: a manner where it's unseen. This isn't some kind of
32:56
Speaker 3: public attack or something like that, and they're trying to
32:59
Speaker 3: cover it up. Always amazed by the psychology of these people.
33:02
Speaker 3: Dave this idea that they kill someone, but yet they
33:06
Speaker 3: want to keep the body near them, you know. It's
33:10
Speaker 3: almost like they're they're controlling the remains years after. They
33:14
Speaker 3: can keep tabs on who's coming and going, who's around
33:17
Speaker 3: the area, you know, things like that, you know, and
33:21
Speaker 3: I've often wondered what the psychology behind that is, you know,
33:26
Speaker 3: thinking about can you imagine, you know, making you a
33:31
Speaker 3: cup of coffee, You're sitting at the breakfast nook, You're
33:36
Speaker 3: looking out the window, and there the grassy plane behind
33:41
Speaker 3: the house. I wonder, I wonder how Mom and Dad
33:45
Speaker 3: are doing, you know, in their subterranean dwelling that I
33:48
Speaker 3: created for them eight years earlier. It just it absolutely
33:52
Speaker 3: baffles me. And then to couple that with with what
33:57
Speaker 3: with the fact that this guy goes on on a
34:00
Speaker 3: in a broadcast and actually it missed to this day.
34:03
Speaker 4: You know, I have to wonder Joe breaking down how
34:07
Speaker 4: he admitted he killed them to put them out of
34:10
Speaker 4: their misery, sent them home. However, he wanted to look
34:13
Speaker 4: at it based on the Social Security Administration beginning the investigation,
34:20
Speaker 4: and I believe they were the ones that I actually
34:21
Speaker 4: asked for a welfare check because there were some question marks,
34:25
Speaker 4: and the neighbors thought that the Crosses hadn't moved back
34:27
Speaker 4: to Germany.
34:28
Speaker 1: That's what neighbors said.
34:29
Speaker 4: They thought because they hadn't seen him around, thought they
34:31
Speaker 4: went back to Germany. So I have to wonder Social
34:35
Speaker 4: Security administration, they're looking into financial crimes, all targeted at
34:39
Speaker 4: the son who's living in the home. Can't find mom
34:42
Speaker 4: and dad. They didn't go back to Germany, Well where
34:44
Speaker 4: are they? And that's when all of this kind of
34:48
Speaker 4: came to the forefront. But I have to ask you,
34:53
Speaker 4: when you kill somebody like that, not you, but generally speaking,
34:57
Speaker 4: people die at your hand. Now he decides to bury
35:02
Speaker 4: them in the backyard, how long are we talking about
35:06
Speaker 4: from the time they die till the time you decompositions
35:11
Speaker 4: that's in. You've gone over rigamortis, ragamortis, Oh yeah, and
35:16
Speaker 4: all of that, because they still have to be buried.
35:19
Speaker 4: They don't have to be put somewhere and they're going
35:21
Speaker 4: to be decomposing. So what are we talking about from
35:25
Speaker 4: the time they die inside the house and the time
35:28
Speaker 4: he can get them in the backyard, you know, in
35:30
Speaker 4: the flower bed, what are we talking about in terms of.
35:33
Speaker 3: Well, here's an interesting thing. I think we may have
35:37
Speaker 3: mentioned this before, but if if they were let's say
35:41
Speaker 3: that they had died. Uh, I hate to box myself
35:46
Speaker 3: in with specific time, but let's just say that they
35:48
Speaker 3: had died. Just for grins and giggles, will say that
35:51
Speaker 3: they had died and they had been in the ground
35:53
Speaker 3: for one year, and you had an indication as an
35:55
Speaker 3: investigator that they were buried back there. But you nowhere
36:01
Speaker 3: you could go in with like a methane probe, you
36:03
Speaker 3: know where you're taking taking this and you're taking samples
36:06
Speaker 3: where you're sticking the probe into the ground. And one
36:08
Speaker 3: of the things with organic material, when it decomposes, it
36:11
Speaker 3: gives off methane gas, and so you're looking for like
36:15
Speaker 3: a spike in the methane something that like if you
36:19
Speaker 3: have normal organic material safe you had a composting bin,
36:23
Speaker 3: for instance, in your backyard where people will put coffee
36:25
Speaker 3: grounds and dog poop and leaves and all that, and
36:29
Speaker 3: they'll turn it periodically. You know, you would have you
36:32
Speaker 3: would have it would produce methane. Okay, a good example
36:39
Speaker 3: of that. I'll give you a great example of that.
36:41
Speaker 3: One of the things that happens down in the swamps
36:44
Speaker 3: in New Orleans we have and I think this happens
36:47
Speaker 3: in Florida too, you have swamp fires. And one of
36:55
Speaker 3: the things that happens with swamp fires, our highways would
36:58
Speaker 3: get covered with smoke. Have these little methane methane fires
37:03
Speaker 3: that will break out in the swamp because of the
37:05
Speaker 3: decomposing organic matter, and they might be in multiple places
37:10
Speaker 3: and it'll catch a blaze, sometimes just spontaneously. So that's
37:14
Speaker 3: the power of something decomposing. There's always decomposition going on
37:18
Speaker 3: in swampy areas. So if you introduce a body into
37:22
Speaker 3: you know, this non sealed situation, like a cascaded body,
37:27
Speaker 3: you're not going to find methane production there. But if
37:31
Speaker 3: you've buried a body like that, one of the ways
37:33
Speaker 3: that they do it. You would, You could stick a
37:37
Speaker 3: probe into the ground. But these people are not fresh
37:39
Speaker 3: dead day. We're talking eight years down the road.
37:42
Speaker 1: I would.
37:45
Speaker 3: Okay, you're going to have you're going to have bone
37:52
Speaker 3: that is left behind. I don't know what state the
37:54
Speaker 3: bone would necessarily be in a lot of it's going
37:56
Speaker 3: to be dependent upon the pH of the soil, you know,
37:59
Speaker 3: is it more acid or is it more base. You're
38:03
Speaker 3: going to have to take into consideration water flow through
38:09
Speaker 3: the area because oh yeah, because it will rise and fall.
38:15
Speaker 3: We talked about this with a well lady. But you
38:17
Speaker 3: also have this even in ground burials like this. The
38:21
Speaker 3: other thing that people that people don't think about. You
38:26
Speaker 3: know how we always talk about the earth just keeps
38:28
Speaker 3: on spinning and it keeps on moving. Well, the earth
38:31
Speaker 3: is actually earth. The substrata is actually moving as well.
38:36
Speaker 3: People don't realize this. It's a process called turbation. And
38:39
Speaker 3: so the soil actually kind of if you will, think
38:42
Speaker 3: about the slowest turning tumble dryer you've ever seen. All right,
38:48
Speaker 3: maybe just time of bits, all right, the earth actually
38:53
Speaker 3: does the sub subterranean the strata actually does turn like this,
38:59
Speaker 3: and so you'll have changes in skeletal remains where it
39:04
Speaker 3: let's just say that both mom and Dad are buried
39:07
Speaker 3: in the same grave. You've got them laid out in there,
39:11
Speaker 3: and now they're reduced to skeletal remains. You can have
39:17
Speaker 3: these commingled remains, which is kind of a headache for
39:21
Speaker 3: those that are doing the recovery. Now it's great, I
39:24
Speaker 3: think investigatively that you'll have it all concentrated there, perhaps
39:28
Speaker 3: unless you've had some kind of subterranean burrowing animal that
39:32
Speaker 3: would get down there and you know, extricate some bit
39:35
Speaker 3: of that that's that's left behind. But they should still
39:40
Speaker 3: be there. Now there's things that are going on with
39:43
Speaker 3: the skeletal remains that can cause them to begin to
39:46
Speaker 3: break down more so, and a lot of that goes
39:48
Speaker 3: with the environment that they're buried in. The chemicals, you know,
39:51
Speaker 3: the chemical status of the soil. You know, I'd mentioned,
39:54
Speaker 3: you know what the pH level was, those sorts of things.
39:57
Speaker 3: And the other thing is do they have any external
40:01
Speaker 3: covering like where the cocoon and also are their clothing. Now,
40:05
Speaker 3: if you've got let's say that you have synthetics, synthetic
40:09
Speaker 3: you know, ray on, uh, your polyesters, those sorts of
40:13
Speaker 3: things if the clothing is still that clothing is very resilient.
40:17
Speaker 3: But if you have natural fibers, you know, things like cotton,
40:20
Speaker 3: for instance, or wool, it might tend to break down
40:25
Speaker 3: a little bit more. You might not have as much remnant,
40:27
Speaker 3: but things like zippers, buttons, medical devices. Let's you say
40:33
Speaker 3: that they they had had surgery. Maybe you have a
40:37
Speaker 3: subject that has had a screw put into a bone.
40:41
Speaker 3: Do that surgical still is still going to be their brother,
40:44
Speaker 3: so you'll be able to see it.
40:46
Speaker 4: That's you have to drink testing in the cave at
40:49
Speaker 4: the beach and Planet of the Apes.
40:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you're gonna, Yeah, you're gonna find all
40:56
Speaker 3: that there.
40:56
Speaker 4: Let me ask you about this because one of the
40:58
Speaker 4: tips that they had, okay, it started as a financial crime,
41:01
Speaker 4: with solid security and all that, they brought cadaver dogs
41:06
Speaker 4: out to the property, and the cadaver dogs hit John.
41:10
Speaker 4: They hadn't been seen in eight years. They're buried in
41:12
Speaker 4: the background, but cadaver dogs could still get it.
41:17
Speaker 3: Yeah. Their spectrum is quite amazing, you know what, And
41:21
Speaker 3: it might be something that you and I obviously would
41:23
Speaker 3: because we've had a very limited all factory spectrum. You know,
41:27
Speaker 3: compared to compared to canines. Canines are amazing. You and
41:31
Speaker 3: I are both you know, huge dog lovers anyway, Yeah,
41:35
Speaker 3: and so it's amazing what dogs are capable of, these
41:39
Speaker 3: working dogs. So yet, now, I don't put a lot
41:42
Speaker 3: of stock in dogs that you take out the lakes,
41:46
Speaker 3: you know, and put them on the bow of a boat,
41:47
Speaker 3: and they allegedly can smell things. I think that's kind
41:50
Speaker 3: of a hit or miss proposition. But you give me
41:52
Speaker 3: a cadaver dog any day and run them out in
41:55
Speaker 3: the woods. Now, there have been cases where they have failed.
41:59
Speaker 3: They've walked right over bodies. I think my question would be,
42:02
Speaker 3: with those dogs that fail to smell things, how well
42:05
Speaker 3: were they trained to begin with? You know, I think
42:08
Speaker 3: a lot of that goes to the handler and also
42:10
Speaker 3: the evaluation of the of the animal. You know, are
42:13
Speaker 3: they are they ticking all the boxes relative.
42:16
Speaker 4: To this, I saw eight years the last time these
42:19
Speaker 4: people are seeing, we know they're gone and these.
42:22
Speaker 3: That's something yeah that they But you know, here here's
42:24
Speaker 3: the real problem. Even though he's saying that he did this,
42:28
Speaker 3: and I'm assuming that the corner slash medical examiner is
42:36
Speaker 3: going to rule their deaths at some point tom as
42:40
Speaker 3: a homicide if they haven't already at this point. Here's
42:45
Speaker 3: here's the thing. You're not going to have any tissue
42:50
Speaker 3: left behind to be able to make a diagnosis of
42:54
Speaker 3: Like you know, like he talked about having used a
42:59
Speaker 3: rope to quote unquote doing air quotes right here to
43:03
Speaker 3: quote unquote put his mama out of her misery. Well,
43:08
Speaker 3: we would be looking for furrows in the neck. I
43:13
Speaker 3: don't know, like certain people I won't mention their name,
43:17
Speaker 3: but their initials are Epstein, you know, where you're looking
43:20
Speaker 3: for a furrow on the surface of the neck. That's
43:24
Speaker 3: not going to be evidenced with her because that's that
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Speaker 3: tissues no longer going to exist at this point. The
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Speaker 3: only thing you could possibly hope for is if some
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Speaker 3: of the structures of the neck may have been fractured,
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Speaker 3: the skeletal structures, and if there's any evidence of that.
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Speaker 3: If you're suffocating, somebody's suffocation is not this It's not
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Speaker 3: quite as violent as you know, taking a rope, you know,
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Speaker 3: and like senching it up on an elderly woman's neck
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Speaker 3: and doing that sort of thing. If you're putting a
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Speaker 3: pillow over someone's face to stuff them or a hand
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Speaker 3: or a bag or whatever it is. It's not going
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Speaker 3: to leave a tremendous amount of trauma, certainly, no trauma
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Speaker 3: that I think, and I might be proven wrong. I've
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Speaker 3: been wrong before that you know that you're not going
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Speaker 3: to you know that you're going to be able to appreciate.
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Speaker 3: So I don't know, we'll we'll keep our eye on it,
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Speaker 3: and you know, kind of see what happens in this case.
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Speaker 3: I know that you know. I don't want to put
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Speaker 3: words in your mouth, but one of the reasons you
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Speaker 3: know I pitched this this case to you is it's
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Speaker 3: one of the more bizarre things that we've actually had
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Speaker 3: happen in recent memory. I don't know if you concur.
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Speaker 4: With before you think this is a slam dunk. Let
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Speaker 4: me share one quick side note. All right, please, let's
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Speaker 4: just say, for the sake of argument, that this guy
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Speaker 4: who goes on TV and confesses that they found the
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Speaker 4: financial crimes and all that, but what if, what if
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Speaker 4: after everything's said and done, Joe, they find out this
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Speaker 4: guy is a true crime fan who wanted to start
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Speaker 4: his own podcast and this was the best way for
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Speaker 4: him to launch it. But really what happened it was
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Speaker 4: a murder suicide. His dad killed her, his mom, and
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Speaker 4: then he suffocated himself. And the son was so humiliated
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Speaker 4: by what had happened to his heroic parents that he
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Speaker 4: took care of their bodies. He did his you know,
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Speaker 4: and he used this as the stepping stone to launch
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Speaker 4: his own career in true crime.
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Speaker 1: But he didn't actually kill his parents.
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Speaker 4: He did put their bodies in the backyard, but he
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Speaker 4: did that out of love and devotion. He did not
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Speaker 4: want the memory of his father to you know what
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Speaker 4: about something like that coming down the pike. I'm telling you, friends,
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Speaker 4: if oj Simpson can walk out of court a free man,
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Speaker 4: their stories can work as well.
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Speaker 1: It ain't a slam dunk.
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Speaker 3: I got to take something, brother Dave. In the world
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Speaker 3: that we live in now, confessions on television, burials in
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Speaker 3: the backyard, sons that disregard the lives of their loving
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Speaker 3: parents that survived Nazi Germany, nothing nowadays surprises me. Everything
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Speaker 3: is on the table. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this
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Speaker 3: is body bags