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55KRC Wednesday Show - Jack Atherton, CVA, CCVS, Ken Kober, Judge Napolitano · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: Five o five in fact KRC the talk station. Happy Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: Tuesday listener Lunch Wednesday.
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Speaker 2: I have no idea.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have any idea what's going on either,
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Speaker 1: but we're gonna get through it anyway. Welcome to a
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Speaker 1: Wednesday edition of the fifty five KRC Morning Show and
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Speaker 1: there's a million things to talk about, of course. I
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Speaker 1: have one three seven eight hundred eight two to three
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Speaker 1: Before you get to I'm gonna start with local stories
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Speaker 1: with this bond issue. Have to have purvols finally, at
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Speaker 1: least playing lip service to the realization that while low
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Speaker 1: bonds and woke justice can prevent a properga can can
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Speaker 1: can be a bit problematic, especially when you let people
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Speaker 1: out regular and then then they go out and kill
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Speaker 1: a lot of people even though they're not entitled to
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Speaker 1: have a firearm under the law. Yeah, that's going on,
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Speaker 1: and thank you Signal ninety nine for a brilliant analysis,
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Speaker 1: a very long but brilliant analysis of the reality is
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Speaker 1: going on here in Hamilton County. We'll get to that
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Speaker 1: a little bit. Uh, but first the big picture with
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Speaker 1: Jack Abed and coming up at seven oh five Iran
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Speaker 1: and History. Good timing on that Jack. I always appreciate
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Speaker 1: Jack coming on the show. He's brilliant and his commentary
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Speaker 1: every one of you for streaming the audio and the
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Speaker 1: iHeart Meetia. We get accurate information about the listening audience
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Speaker 1: and I'm humbled, I truly am. Daniel Davis Deep Dive
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Speaker 1: yesterday on the around situation he's certainly not as optimistic
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Speaker 1: about this thing going well, primarily given that the stockpiles
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Speaker 1: of the Iranian weapons that made lots and lots of them,
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Speaker 1: many of them he believes, have not been hit yet.
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Speaker 1: But there is an opportunity for us to find out
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Speaker 1: where those stockpiles are and hopefully blow them up in
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Speaker 1: advance of the vote on the War Powers resolution, which
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Speaker 1: coming on Thursday. Really complicated that and I believe it
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Speaker 1: is a virtue signaling exercise, given the way the Warpowers
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Speaker 1: Act is written, and I read it into it and
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Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump can veto it supposed to be
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Speaker 1: a squeaker if it passes, limiting or telling Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: the forces need to be removed. That is a politically
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Speaker 1: charged thing to vote on. You're in the middle of
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Speaker 1: a so far and in spite of the tragedy, and
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Speaker 1: of course no one wants to have the service members lost,
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Speaker 1: but that is a sad consequence of war. And what
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Speaker 1: a heavy burden it is to be the person responsible
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Speaker 1: for sending people to their deaths. But if you are
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Speaker 1: having if you're making inroads against the well the evil,
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Speaker 1: murderous regime that is iron that has been a thorn
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Speaker 1: in our side for four plus decades. Voting against or
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Speaker 1: voting for removing the troops might be a bit problematic
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Speaker 1: for folks trying to get re elected anyhow. That is
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Speaker 1: at Daniel Davis's commentary on where we were yesterday. That's
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Speaker 1: there inside Scoop with Bright bart News Oliver Lane, who's
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Speaker 1: stationed in London, he's the London bureau chief on what
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Speaker 1: the hell is the problem with the UK? We the
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Speaker 1: people conventions. Tom Zawastauskow on property taxes and where we
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Speaker 1: stand here in Ohio. He did a very in depth
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Speaker 1: polling and at least in so far as complete eradication
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Speaker 1: of property taxes in Ohio only seventeen point three percent.
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Speaker 1: I believe it was folks are embracing that idea, finding
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Speaker 1: the uncertainty that would go along with it to be
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Speaker 1: the biggest challenge. So everybody wants property tax reform. That
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Speaker 1: is worth listening right there fifty five care CE dot com. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: and the beds are involved now too with this local
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Speaker 1: this this shooting. But yesterday Purvall said, allowing the accused
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Speaker 1: gunman remember the Riverfront live mass shooting that nine people
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Speaker 1: got shot because two idiots had a long standing dispute
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Speaker 1: between each other, and they started to get all open
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Speaker 1: fiery in a room with five hundred and six hundred people. Joe,
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Speaker 1: do you think we should bring back crucifixion? You're not
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Speaker 1: touching that with a ten foot pole. Okay, No, I'm
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Speaker 1: obviously tongue in cheek. I'm not even a fan of
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Speaker 1: the death penalty anyway. You probably know this Freney cob
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Speaker 1: guy twenty four arrested on only a single charge of
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Speaker 1: floonious assault, and there are questions swirling around that, since,
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Speaker 1: of course multiple gunshots were unleashed during this melee, single
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Speaker 1: charge of flowious assault. Cob remains in jail. We'll get
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Speaker 1: to the fifty thousand dollars bond. Fifty thousand dollars bond
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Speaker 1: applied to the shooting that went down in the Riverfront
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Speaker 1: Lives mass shooting. Now, even if there was no criminal
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Speaker 1: record preceding the shooting, is fifty thousand dollars bond appropriate
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Speaker 1: for an individual who was so unhinged that he would
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Speaker 1: start unloading in the middle of a crowded room. You
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Speaker 1: pond to that yourself. They point out that this cob
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Speaker 1: guy had a long standing grudge with Derek Long, the
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Speaker 1: other one twenty nine years old, and that's when they
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Speaker 1: started open firing as soon as they saw each other,
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Speaker 1: resulting in nine people getting shot. Cob showed up a
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Speaker 1: hamil Couty Municipal Court before Judge Bernard Monday yesterday, his
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Speaker 1: lawyer arguing that her client acted in self defense. Prosecutors
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Speaker 1: asked for high bond, not no bond. Another interesting question
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Speaker 1: swirling around. Wait a minute, why didn't the prosecutor's officer
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Speaker 1: ask for no bond? That question not answered. So Judge
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Speaker 1: undiset bond at fifty thousand dollars and suggesting that he
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Speaker 1: could only issue bond for this single felonious assault charge.
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Speaker 1: But isn't that single felonious assault charge firing into a
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Speaker 1: group of people enough justification to set the bond a
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Speaker 1: bit higher? Purvol have to have your mayor remember him.
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Speaker 1: I know this isn't a ribbon cutting ceremony, but he
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Speaker 1: did come out of his hole to make a statement
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Speaker 1: on this one. Today I was made aware that a
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Speaker 1: bond has been issued for one of the two suspects
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Speaker 1: arrested in connection with two Saturday mornings mass casualty shooting.
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Speaker 1: The decision to allow for the release of this accused
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Speaker 1: is problematic and extremely concerning, and I stand in opposition.
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Speaker 1: This is a community safety issue. The accused, after such
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Speaker 1: a horrific event involving so many victims, should not be
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Speaker 1: on the streets during the court process. Close quote Cincinnati's
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Speaker 1: mayor have to have per vault. Wow, Hey, Joe, he's
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Speaker 1: tough on crime. He's a high bond guy. Now that
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Speaker 1: was noted. I'll give props to Enquir's Camra night. I
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Speaker 1: tucked him on the morning show several times over the years.
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Speaker 1: See a pretty decent guy. Joe Dieters used to call
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Speaker 1: out judges regularly. Former prosecutor for the low bonds they said,
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Speaker 1: or no bonds said. Of course, we now have Connie
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Speaker 1: Tillochs in that role. Police Chief Thiji here may be
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Speaker 1: the answer to the question. As Warpbin reports, Since a
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Speaker 1: police Parma's Thiji also raised concerns about bond decisions and
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Speaker 1: what she called the justice system's revolving door before she
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Speaker 1: was placed on administrative leave. Was she placed on administrative
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Speaker 1: leave for bucking the trend and calling out woke judges?
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Speaker 1: Is that what it was? Is that why the law
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Speaker 1: firm has been retained because that's not a fireable offense
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Speaker 1: to the best of my knowledge. And yeah, you Jubb
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Speaker 1: pointed out something obvious. Yet yes, you're right, Joe. It's
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Speaker 1: also never been previously reported. And of course, as Warman
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Speaker 1: points out, we all know this. Judges are allowed to
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Speaker 1: consider a number of factors when setting bonds. You're standing
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Speaker 1: there and you have a list of things you should
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Speaker 1: take into consideration, one of which is public safety, and
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Speaker 1: of course giving the woke elements of the criminal justice system,
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Speaker 1: the affordability, whether the defendant can afford to pay any bond.
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Speaker 1: I think the bond is designed to secure the person
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Speaker 1: shows back up in court and doesn't flee the area
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Speaker 1: and go off into the ether. They want to get
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Speaker 1: their money back. Criminal record also factored in. Hey, let
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Speaker 1: me take a look and see if there are priors here,
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Speaker 1: And of course the seriousness of the seriousness of the
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Speaker 1: alleged offense. Opening fire in a room full of five
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Speaker 1: to six hundred people. Anybody think that's serious? I do,
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Speaker 1: matter of fact, I think that's objectively so most of
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Speaker 1: the elements are met here. The only one missing maybe
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Speaker 1: is affordability. But I think the other ones outweigh it,
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Speaker 1: so ergo fifty thousand dollars line and I'm agreeing with
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Speaker 1: Mayor a f tab purval pretty damn low. So the
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Speaker 1: Inquirer called the Cincinnat Police Department said wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: why this single kind of flowious assault? Apparently the department
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Speaker 1: spokesperson Anthony Mitchell said the investigation still open, evidence still
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Speaker 1: being assessed. Charges could be added as they come to light,
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Speaker 1: like counting the number of people who got hit by
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Speaker 1: a bullet. And it's pointed out they can request and
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Speaker 1: no bond hearing to keep the defendant in jail. Prosecutor
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Speaker 1: Assistant Prosecutor Connor Wood did not do that, just requesting
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Speaker 1: a high bond. And officials in the prosecutor's office what
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Speaker 1: do you think they did? Did they did they answer
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Speaker 1: Scott Wartman's request for a comment, Joe, which that's tea
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Speaker 1: leave for reading on that one, right, they declined comment.
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Speaker 1: I know you knew that. So I pivot over to
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Speaker 1: signal ninety nine and among This is a very wonderful
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Speaker 1: and again three page single space post tracing the history
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Speaker 1: of all of this looke reality going on. Elections have consequences.
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Speaker 1: Let me interjector and interject that real quick. But if
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Speaker 1: she writes, before coming mayor, I have to have purvole serve.
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Speaker 1: Of course is Hamilt County clerk. Of course, you guys
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Speaker 1: remember that that was his stepping stone job to becoming mayor. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and this job apparently as a stepping stone for someplace else.
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Speaker 1: He entered a meeting of Democratic judges and delivered a
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Speaker 1: message that several judges in the room still remember very clearly. Again,
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Speaker 1: this is signal ninety nine. Quote embrace the low bail
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Speaker 1: slash no bail and soft sentencing philosophy or face being
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Speaker 1: primary to close? Quote Is that a real quote from
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Speaker 1: the room that day? She writes, The only only one
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Speaker 1: judge stood up and told them directly. Quote then primary
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Speaker 1: me because no one is going to tell me how
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Speaker 1: to run my courtroom. Forreny Cobb, the one that's now
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Speaker 1: under a federal indictment, because the Feds know they better
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Speaker 1: deal with this. Recognizing the Hamilton County justice system is
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Speaker 1: oh cond of lax and soft on CRIMEANQE. Cobb records
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Speaker 1: should have been previously facing charge of trafficking in cocaine,
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Speaker 1: possession of heroin and fentanyl. Cobb later faced having weapons
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Speaker 1: while under disability charges under a judge cross along with
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Speaker 1: carrying a concealed weapon. And of course that's important because
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Speaker 1: having weapons under disability means that defend it is legally
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Speaker 1: prohibited from possessing of firearms. Why did he have one
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Speaker 1: in the courtroom there? And of course city managers share
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Speaker 1: a long points to the problem we have with firearms,
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Speaker 1: not with a problem of people breaking laws and possessing
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Speaker 1: firearms in spite of the fact that is unlawful to
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Speaker 1: carry one. Hey, I think we need more laws on
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Speaker 1: the books. That's going to solve the problem. Just scratching
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Speaker 1: the surface of this one, but again recognizing the Feds
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Speaker 1: are involved. Now, this is not going anywhere. These guys
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Speaker 1: are facing some serious issues. Federal authorities moved immediately once
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Speaker 1: the suspects were identified. Federal detainers mean something important points
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Speaker 1: signal out signal ninety nine. Neither suspect is going anywhere.
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Speaker 1: Federal government anticipated exactly what might happen inside the Hamilton
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Speaker 1: County courthouse and acted accordingly. They're charging him with, of course,
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Speaker 1: a gun charge, a federal gun charge. Possessing a firearm
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Speaker 1: five hundred seven four fifty eight two three talk. Oh,
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Speaker 1: look here moving towards something. I just I think it's
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Speaker 1: an interesting thing. I think it's an important thing, and
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Speaker 1: I think this is a step in the right direction. Yes,
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Speaker 1: job training, volunteering, doing something if you're an able bodied
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Speaker 1: adult without dependence. Finally, the work requirement for snaptop benefits
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Speaker 1: is kicked in. Yes, took effect on Sunday, So under
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Speaker 1: the updated rules, able bodied adults without dependence got to work, participate,
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Speaker 1: do something. Qualifying things include guest volunteering. But you know,
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Speaker 1: job training, to me is the is the critical thing here.
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Speaker 1: If you are able bodied, you are capable of working,
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Speaker 1: and there is a job training to earn while you
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Speaker 1: are learned why you earn, like an apprenticeship program, and
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Speaker 1: they're out there all over the place. You know, become
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Speaker 1: a plumber, become an electrician, become a builder at something
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Speaker 1: in the trades, you'll make a good career out of it,
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Speaker 1: and you'll be free of the burden of the umbilical
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Speaker 1: court of government. You know that would I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I've never been in that position, but you know, my
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Speaker 1: psychology is that I have always lived in fear of
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Speaker 1: not being able to take care of myself, which has
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Speaker 1: driven me maybe irrational fear, I don't know, but that's
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Speaker 1: what made me want to get up and work every day.
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Speaker 1: You know, I want to be able to pay the bills.
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Speaker 1: I like participating. I think work is his own reward.
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Speaker 1: That's a benefit in and of itself, makes you feel
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Speaker 1: pretty good about yourself. You're not sitting at home doing
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Speaker 1: nothing and getting paid for it. And this is not
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Speaker 1: an attack on people who are incapable of getting up
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Speaker 1: and work. And that's the point of the work requirement.
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Speaker 1: It's for folks who should be working. That was last
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Speaker 1: year New York Times op ed, get a load of
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Speaker 1: this crew helping even Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Junior
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Speaker 1: CMS Administrator, Amendment, OZ Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rawins, Housing An
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Speaker 1: Urban Development Secretary Scott Turner all open opinion letter arguing
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Speaker 1: that welfare programs have deviated from the original mission, noting
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Speaker 1: the rise in able bodied, working age adults with no
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Speaker 1: children that are enrolled in public assistance program after Medicaid expansion. Hmmm,
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Speaker 1: we've opened it up to even more. Here join in
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Speaker 1: the fun. They put an analysis by the American Enterprise
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Speaker 1: Institute noting that only forty four percent of able bodied,
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Speaker 1: working age Medicaid beneficiaries without dependence worked at least eighty
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Speaker 1: hours in a month. A month, just Jrecker, how many
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Speaker 1: hours do you work in a week? I know a lot.
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Speaker 1: And it troubles me to no end that this is
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Speaker 1: a politically divisive issue that there are people on the
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Speaker 1: other side. I mean, I'm obvious on the side of
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Speaker 1: requiring some measure of work, do something to benefit yourself.
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Speaker 1: I don't know the volunteering fulfillment that, but at least
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Speaker 1: it's some activity that may benefit society anyway. Whether it
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Speaker 1: turns into a career and a full time job, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, but it's something. How can anybody be against that?
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Speaker 1: Isn't the point of the program to get people over
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Speaker 1: the should be temporary hurdle that you didn't get a
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Speaker 1: good education in your public school, or you didn't show
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Speaker 1: up and you didn't get it a plumber or whatever.
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Speaker 1: Get a ged that might help you along the way,
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Speaker 1: get into an apprentice program. It's not too late, You're
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Speaker 1: able to get up and do it. And yet I
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Speaker 1: just see a sea of folks out there. Maybe this
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Speaker 1: is intentional. Is the evil reality of this, that they
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Speaker 1: are intentionally taking advantage of a ridiculous system set up
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Speaker 1: to allow an able bodied adult with no children and
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Speaker 1: no disabilities, who's capable of work, not working while they
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Speaker 1: sit play Nintendo and laugh at the reality of what
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Speaker 1: they're doing. No shame associated with it at all, no
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Speaker 1: desire to participate, just pa Yeah know, kind of like
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Speaker 1: the Somali population in Minnesota who found out that it
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Speaker 1: was easy to rip off you and me and everybody
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Speaker 1: else with fraud. Just another avenue of federal government and
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Speaker 1: programs that make it easy for people to you know,
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Speaker 1: pad their own pocketbooks on your dime five fifty five
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Speaker 1: changes today. Let's go to the photes. Tom Waite, Becky's first, Becky,
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Speaker 1: thanks for calling this morning, Happy.
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Speaker 4: Wednesday, Happy Wednesday. Having called divorce, I'm a little nervous
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Speaker 4: with me.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's okay.
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Speaker 4: But going along on the same I think kind of
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Speaker 4: grounds that you were talking about people having to work
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Speaker 4: for their uh whatever kind of supplements that they're getting.
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Speaker 1: In this case, Snap, you know, the formerly food stamps Snap.
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Speaker 1: They changed the name of it because food stamps became
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Speaker 1: a negative connotation. It's like, it's not welfare, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's the or well in reality, but if you want
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Speaker 1: to boil it down, it was it's the foodstamp program.
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Speaker 4: Okay. Well, something that's come to my attention in the
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Speaker 4: last several years is how many people are filing in
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Speaker 4: the court and during whatever they're coming in for, it
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Speaker 4: comes up that they're also being charged with a felony
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Speaker 4: because they have a weapon. Under disability I'm like, what's
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Speaker 4: the disability they seem able bodied?
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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no weapons under disability in the
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Speaker 1: case of the criminal justice systems means you have already
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Speaker 1: been convicted of a prior crime. That renders your right
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Speaker 1: to keep and bear arms well null and void. You
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Speaker 1: are no longer lawfully allowed to own a firearm or
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Speaker 1: possess one. You've been through the criminal justice system before,
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Speaker 1: it's been that right's been taken away from you.
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Speaker 4: Okay, so they don't really have a physical or Oh no, no,
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Speaker 4: just that Okay, that disables him?
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Speaker 5: Got it?
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Speaker 1: Thank you, you're thinking, Becky, glad to help be able
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Speaker 1: to clear that up for you. I think I did
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Speaker 1: it right. Sometimes I question it. You know, I haven't
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Speaker 1: practiced law, and I never practiced criminal law. See for you're
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Speaker 1: that there. You think, oh, he's got a law degree,
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Speaker 1: he knows. No, that is never the case for any lawyer,
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Speaker 1: even some crazy New York lawyer. You're paying four thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars an hour for that person has an area of specialty.
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Speaker 1: But if you deviate from that area of specialty, you're
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Speaker 1: wasting your money. Tom. Welcome to the Morning Show. Happy Wednesday.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, good morning, and great job, Becky, and welcome, welcome
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Speaker 6: to the group that calls in. So yeah, that's awesome.
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Speaker 1: You never need to feel nervous calling in the program.
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Speaker 1: I mean, my job is not to rip people's head off,
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Speaker 1: or do you think it's to engage in hopefully thoughtful
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Speaker 1: debate anyway?
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Speaker 6: Right? Right? And I think you explain explaining that well,
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Speaker 6: because I mean, there are a lot of things that
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Speaker 6: are legally awarded that that make us lay people whatever
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Speaker 6: you want to call us, Like, what what does that mean?
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Speaker 6: So that's actually that's actually a really good question. Uh.
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Speaker 6: And there's probably a bunch of people out there that
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Speaker 6: hurt your explanations or are now more informed, and that
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Speaker 6: breaks the light one of the big problems in our
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Speaker 6: community and our society as people are not informed well
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Speaker 6: enough to know who to vote for and who not
20:53
Speaker 6: to vote for, and what your vote coust what did
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Speaker 6: you allow to happen by voting that argular person into office?
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Speaker 6: And your your subject matter that you you started up
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Speaker 6: on the last subject, we'll just boil it down to slackers.
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Speaker 6: People that are just they just want to goof off
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Speaker 6: and don't do anything, but they want their paycheck, you know,
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Speaker 6: they they want something. Oh, I'm not gonna get you're
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Speaker 6: gonna give me something. Why what did you do to
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Speaker 6: earn it? Oh, that's not up to you. Well it
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Speaker 6: should be up to us. It's our money. So everybody
21:26
Speaker 6: listening out there, and you talk to all the people
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Speaker 6: that you know about it who vote. Hey, you're voting
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Speaker 6: for people who are willing to give your money away
21:36
Speaker 6: to slackers. That's what it boils down to. There should
21:39
Speaker 6: be some uh something there that you earned it somehow,
21:43
Speaker 6: some way you contributed to society, as you said, there
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Speaker 6: should be something before we give you some of our money.
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Speaker 6: This is all that's very civil what it boils down to.
21:53
Speaker 6: So so have some conversations with people, all all the
21:57
Speaker 6: listeners and talk to people say hey, stop giving our
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Speaker 6: money away to slackers that don't vote Democrat. Have a
22:03
Speaker 6: great day, Brian.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Tom. Yeah. Certain legal disqualifications, like if you've been
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Speaker 1: convicted of a felony, a violent crime, drug dependency, certain
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Speaker 1: mental health commitments, those automatically under like, for example, Ohio
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Speaker 1: law prohibit you from acquiring, carrying, using, or owning a firearm.
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Speaker 1: That is a legal disability in the criminal justice system.
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Speaker 1: That's very boiled down. Stick around stack is stupid More
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Speaker 1: phone calls five forty two fifty five KRC Detalk station
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Speaker 1: five one three seven nine fifty eight hundred eighty two
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Speaker 1: to three talk Yeah, going back to a kid who
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Speaker 1: probably should have had a work requirement, but in this
22:49
Speaker 1: particular case, he wasn't on the welfare system. He was
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Speaker 1: on the well, the family welfare system, living in a
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Speaker 1: mom's basement. One of those guys. Not no job, but
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Speaker 1: he loved playing the Internet. Internet Stupid, my friends. William Bushy,
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Speaker 1: sixty one years old. Now he's going to die behind bars,
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Speaker 1: sentenced Wednesday in San Diego County to two terms of
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Speaker 1: life without parole for his involvement in a twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: four shooting where he killed with a shotgun his sister
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Speaker 1: and nephew and also blew away his mom. She happened
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Speaker 1: to survive. Prosecutors announced a sentence in a press release,
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Speaker 1: calling him savage and ruthless in the way he hunted
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Speaker 1: down his own family. Why they moved the Wi Fi
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Speaker 1: router out of his room where he sat and played
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Speaker 1: video games all day? Do what the hellped DIA's office said.
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Speaker 1: Boushi confronted his family about the Wi Fi being turned off,
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Speaker 1: and then went into his bedroom and retrieved a shotgun
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Speaker 1: that he had purchased in twenty twelve but had kept secret,
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Speaker 1: loaded the shotgun to maximum capacity, armed himself with additional shells,
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Speaker 1: and went looking for his family. He fired six rounds
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Speaker 1: from the shotgun as he pursued his mother's sister and
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Speaker 1: sister who fled toward the back. Patio convicted a first
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Speaker 1: degree murder by San Diego jury for killing his sister,
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Speaker 1: Laurie Robinson, who was sixty one. Her son, Brett Robinson,
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Speaker 1: thirty three, seriously wounded his mom, June Bush. He was
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Speaker 1: eighty six years old at the time. He shot her
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Speaker 1: in the chest and hand, according to the police. During
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Speaker 1: the trial, Debuty distict Attorney Scott Parella presented evidence showing
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Speaker 1: that the defendant found himself on the verge of being
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Speaker 1: kicked out of the family home for his poor behavior,
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Speaker 1: blaming his sister and mom for it. During his trial,
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Speaker 1: prosecutor said he lived with his elderly mom quote without
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Speaker 1: contributing to the household, interacted very little with the family
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Speaker 1: members over a decade, came up set with his sister
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Speaker 1: when she moved into the house, and then uh well,
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Speaker 1: and then carried out the shooting just nine days later
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Speaker 1: after her moving in. Day's office said he his agitated,
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Speaker 1: aggressive behavior came so concerning the police that police were
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Speaker 1: called to the house two times for disturbances. By the
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Speaker 1: day of the shooting's family was on the verge of
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Speaker 1: beginning an eviction process for this sixty one year old. Now,
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Speaker 1: I won't say the word it's FCC non compliant, and
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Speaker 1: I don't want to have to dump button myself. Court
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Speaker 1: of the Times of San Diego. They reported prosecutors describing
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Speaker 1: their opening statements what Boosey said to his family before
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Speaker 1: grabbing his secret shotgun. Where's the Internet, he asked. Boosey's
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Speaker 1: mother outlined how he was known to play computer games
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Speaker 1: all day long while the Wi Fi routter reenters were
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Speaker 1: removing It was the final straw court of the prosecutors.
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Speaker 1: Sixty years of emotion, anger and resentment exploded into seconds
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Speaker 1: of unthinkable violence. Court to deputy defender Denny's line as
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Speaker 1: good luck defending somebody like this, right, get a job.
25:58
Speaker 1: Maybeerio is the biggest douche of the universe. In all
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Speaker 1: the galaxies, there's no bigger douche than you. You've reached
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Speaker 1: the top, the pinnacle of douche them good going due,
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Speaker 1: your dreams have come true. It's five fifty one and
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Speaker 1: a very happy Wednesday to you listener. Lunch the Works,
26:26
Speaker 1: Pizza Company Public. It's not a stupid more craziness involving gunplay.
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Speaker 1: We go to Connecticut where we have a woman behind bars.
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Speaker 1: She shot and killed a man while he was watching
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Speaker 1: a Pixar film with a child. Specifically, Michelle Yeager's sixty
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Speaker 1: five accused of one kind of each, a murder, carrying
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Speaker 1: a firearm while under the influence, risk of injury to
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Speaker 1: a child, and reckless endangerment of the first degree. That's
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Speaker 1: accord to the Connecticut State Police. I'll wait for it, Joe.
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Speaker 1: Underlying incident occurred Monday a small town located about fifty
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Speaker 1: miles east of Hartford, Connecticut. That's the site. Early on
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Speaker 1: the night in question, Andrew Michael Olson, thirty nine, was
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Speaker 1: watching toy Story with an unidentified twelve year old at
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Speaker 1: the residence nine thirty. Roughly, troopers found the victims suffering
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Speaker 1: from a lone gunshot wounded the chest. Court of the prosecutors.
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Speaker 1: The child at home said that two had been watching
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Speaker 1: the film together when Yager entered the entertainment room and
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Speaker 1: opened fire. Olsen rushed in thereby hospital, where he later
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Speaker 1: succumbed to his injuries. Meanwhile, troopers found Yager in bed
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Speaker 1: and asked her about the location of the gun used
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Speaker 1: to shoot Olson. Defendant allegedly appeared to be highly intoxicated
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Speaker 1: and said she wasn't sure where the gun had been placed.
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Speaker 1: During an initial interview. After being detained, Yager allegedly tried
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Speaker 1: to justify the shooting quote. He tried to kill me,
27:53
Speaker 1: the defendant told police in night in question, I shot him.
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Speaker 1: He came after me. I shot him. Woman allegedly went
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Speaker 1: on to say that she was in the bedroom and
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Speaker 1: Olsen came after her, describing some difficulty unlocking her gun
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Speaker 1: safe before firing. The weapon. Allegedly told investigators that Olsen
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Speaker 1: and the child came over earlier that night and that's
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Speaker 1: when she went to bed. Obviously, that didn't align with
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Speaker 1: what the twelve year old said, and that's when the
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Speaker 1: defendant's story changed. Jeger subsequently handcuffed taken out of the
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Speaker 1: residence on a stretcher. Defendant was interviewed again the next morning.
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Speaker 1: She allegedly told investigators she was upset from dealing with
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Speaker 1: various issues throughout the day and started drinkinger. Later, Yeager
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Speaker 1: allegedly said she woke up terrified, retrieved her gun, but
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Speaker 1: did not remember anything until she heard Olson in a
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Speaker 1: state of distress. Obviously distressed over the gunshot wounded the
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Speaker 1: chest anyway. Next, the defendant allegedly said she saw an
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Speaker 1: injured person lying on the ground. That's it. Curly being
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Speaker 1: held in the Connecticut State Apartment of Correction on a
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Speaker 1: million dollars bond. Obviously was not in Hamilton County for
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Speaker 1: the bond hearing. Okay, we got to California? Where were
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Speaker 1: law enforcement looking for a six or sixty I'm sorry
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Speaker 1: California man now wanted by law enforcement after a sixty
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Speaker 1: two year old woman was attacked with a skateboard, pepper
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Speaker 1: sprain an unknown liquid. Paul Allen Thomas twenty four to
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Speaker 1: one by the LA Police Department over the attacks. Second
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Speaker 1: suspects already been arrested. A third, yet to be identified
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Speaker 1: local convenience store owner been doing business there for forty years,
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Speaker 1: said this is the sixth attack. They tried to kill
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Speaker 1: me this week. Police identified Thomas as one of the
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Speaker 1: men responsible anyway, he got surveillance footage of the attack
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Speaker 1: man seen hiding outside the victims store holding a skateboard.
29:51
Speaker 1: Man seen rushing inside used the skateboard to brutally beat
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Speaker 1: Dla Penna. The man dragged the woman outside, where he
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Speaker 1: continued beating her. While I'm like complice looks on. She said,
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Speaker 1: they punched me. They kicked me. I tried to go outside,
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Speaker 1: they pushed me inside. I received more than fifty punches.
30:07
Speaker 1: After that, I started screaming, and when nobody was coming,
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Speaker 1: I said okay and asked God why. Victim kicked to
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Speaker 1: the ground, left with a split lip and had thirty
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars cash stolen. Question mark swirling around that. Sam
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Speaker 1: Perro was arrested thirty years old for allegedly taking part
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Speaker 1: of one of the prior attacks. Apparently she's been through
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Speaker 1: this before. In those earlier incidents, she was pepper sprayed,
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Speaker 1: doused with liquid, and nearly shocked with a taser like device.
30:35
Speaker 1: During one such incident, attacker tried to shoot her twice
30:37
Speaker 1: but was saved with when a gun misfired. Accorded the
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Speaker 1: LAPD press release. The same suspects returned to the location
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Speaker 1: multiple times, with additional suspects committed hate crimes against the victim.
30:49
Speaker 1: During one incident, the suspect used the skateboard to strike
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Speaker 1: the victim, Suspect prepper sprayed the victim, and the final incident,
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Speaker 1: the suspect through an unknown liquid on the victim while
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Speaker 1: another suspect attempted to stun her with a taser. Sums
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Speaker 1: it all up. Multiple attacks on this one woman she
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Speaker 1: believes her identity as a transgender woman that will be
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Speaker 1: a man claiming to be a woman was the motivation
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Speaker 1: the aristocrats. I guess what the hell, it's a dangerous
31:17
Speaker 1: world out there. Not time for a live spot, but
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Speaker 1: seems to me a twenty two to three spot will
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Speaker 1: be well placed right here. But we're not. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: take a break right now, come back after the top
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Speaker 1: of the hour news. Maybe we'll dive on into the
31:29
Speaker 1: War Powers Act. That's a crazy one, and this exercise
31:33
Speaker 1: may be a signaling exercise because I don't think it's
31:36
Speaker 1: gonna result in anything. Regardless of which side you are
31:38
Speaker 1: on the War Powers Act and the upcoming vote on it,
31:42
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's gonna go anywhere. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: talk with judge Ennena Pultano about that coming up later
31:47
Speaker 1: in the program at eight thirty. I hope you can
31:48
Speaker 1: stick around.
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32:13
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32:18
Speaker 1: Coming up in an hour, stick around Jack Adam with
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Speaker 1: a big picture Iran in history Adam Miller. He'll be
32:22
Speaker 1: joining the program Concerned Veterans for Ohio in for Donovan O'Neil.
32:27
Speaker 1: Adam Miller will be and we'll talk about the military
32:30
Speaker 1: actions in Iran with Adam Steve Belzo claarmat County Veterans
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Speaker 1: Association Love Heavin Stevens Studio talking about all the great
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Speaker 1: things the Claremont County Veterans Association is doing for my
32:39
Speaker 1: veteran friends. Out there, Steve at seven forty, followed by
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Speaker 1: Ken Cober FOP President got the police responded to the
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Speaker 1: night club shooting and Mayor Aftab Purval and City Manager
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Speaker 1: Cheryl Long's response. Mayor Aftab Pervall now expressing some dissent
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Speaker 1: and concern and well revulsion over the idea that this
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Speaker 1: guy just got a fifty thousand dollars bond. Yes, one
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Speaker 1: of the guys that was involved in shooting into a
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Speaker 1: crowd of five to six hundred people was released on
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Speaker 1: a fifty thousand dollars bound in spite of the fact
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Speaker 1: that yes, he was carrying a weapons under disability under
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Speaker 1: disability meaning he's being already involved in the criminal justice
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Speaker 1: system and he's had his Second Amendment right removed. Guess
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Speaker 1: he wasn't paying attention to the laws on the book,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl Long. No, we don't need more laws on the books.
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Speaker 1: We need people who pay attention to the law and
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Speaker 1: recognize we live in a very violent society, which is
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Speaker 1: why I like the Second Amendment, the great equalizer. But
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Speaker 1: if I went out and committed a violent felony, it
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Speaker 1: was otherwise I had my weapons removed because I was
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Speaker 1: well convicted of that felony. I wouldn't carry one because
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Speaker 1: I'd be going to jail, big boy jail. The federal
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Speaker 1: government might get involved. Oh look, the federal government is
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Speaker 1: involved in this one, recognizing that the Hamilton County justice
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Speaker 1: system is so woke that guy probably would be released
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Speaker 1: with a slap on the wrist after being convicted. Go
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Speaker 1: to Signal ninety nine page on Facebook and read the
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Speaker 1: three page single space analysis that she wrote on this.
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Speaker 1: It's brilliant. I talked about a little bit about that
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Speaker 1: in the last hour. Let's see here after ken Kober
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Speaker 1: talking about that at eight oh five of Courts Judge
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Speaker 1: Jennen of Poulitano and I guess some of my listening
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Speaker 1: audience will not be happy about him. He is certainly
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Speaker 1: a constitutional purist. This leads us to a discussion about
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Speaker 1: the War Powers Act, which was enacted in the wake
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Speaker 1: of Vietnam and step back for a moment. How long
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Speaker 1: were we in Vietnam?
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Speaker 7: Right?
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Speaker 1: Our involvement in Vietnam preceded John F. Kennedy. Advisors were there,
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Speaker 1: and then advisors became troops, and troops became a military presence.
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Speaker 1: We started getting into the war, and then was it
34:36
Speaker 1: the Gulf of Tonkin came around. Some people say that
34:39
Speaker 1: was stage if I'm thinking of the right military action. Anyway,
34:42
Speaker 1: it expanded and expanded and expanded, and someone said, we
34:45
Speaker 1: need to do something about this. Enter the War Powers Act.
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Speaker 1: So that's what we're kind of dealing with right now.
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Speaker 1: Looking for where my notes were on that one. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: here you go. War Powers Resolution first adopted in seventy
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Speaker 1: three over the each Nixon he tried to veto. It
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Speaker 1: establishes presidential reporting requirements and parliamentary procedures intended to reaffirm
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Speaker 1: the constitutional role of Congress in committing the US into
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Speaker 1: armed conflicts. So the president sends people in, he's got
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Speaker 1: to notify Congress within forty eight hours. That's the clock
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Speaker 1: begins to tick the minute the troops go in. Sixty
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Speaker 1: days after he first reports to Congress, or at least
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Speaker 1: was required to do. The use of armed forces is
35:23
Speaker 1: automatically terminated unless Congress has either declared war or passed
35:30
Speaker 1: legislation authorizing the action. That would be an authorization for
35:34
Speaker 1: use of military forces. And this is where I think
35:36
Speaker 1: Orwell kicks in. So they're either removed the Congress declares
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Speaker 1: war or they authorized the use of military forces. Is
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Speaker 1: that a war that's less than a war? I mean,
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Speaker 1: if you're engaging in shooting and bombing and otherwise killing
35:53
Speaker 1: your enemy across the border, isn't that just definitionally war? Yeah,
35:57
Speaker 1: well not under the law I suppose anyway. But pivoting
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Speaker 1: over what's going to go on this week now, some
36:03
Speaker 1: are well asserting and they're not just Democrat lawmakers bringing
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Speaker 1: a war powers resolution. I think it's up for vote
36:12
Speaker 1: on Thursday. Senator Kane may be mistaken. There is no
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Speaker 1: war with Iran. The United States has not declared a
36:23
Speaker 1: war on Iran. See this is the kind of statement
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Speaker 1: that I kind of scratched my head over because again,
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Speaker 1: when you are engaged in a very profound military conflict
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Speaker 1: with someone else, I think you've crossed the definitional threshold anyway.
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Speaker 1: But if you look at the formality that the law requires,
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Speaker 1: the last formal declaration of war. Of course, in World
36:42
Speaker 1: War Two, every military conflict then Korea, Vietnam, Gulf of War, Iraq,
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Speaker 1: Afghanistan conducted under an authorization of use of military force,
36:55
Speaker 1: not formal declaration of war. So we have not declared
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Speaker 1: war on Iran. Iran has not declared war on us,
37:06
Speaker 1: so some suggest therefore it can't be an illegal war.
37:09
Speaker 1: Some suggest international law has been violated. Yeah, some suggest
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Speaker 1: the UN treaty that we're in has been violated, and
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Speaker 1: more on that. So you've got this whole semantical argument
37:19
Speaker 1: that now this isn't really a war because there's been
37:21
Speaker 1: no declaration of war. It's just a well kind of
37:24
Speaker 1: a something less than a war. Little astis next to
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Speaker 1: the word war, all right. Moving over, the next arguments
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Speaker 1: Democrat making is that Trump did not obtain congressional approval,
37:35
Speaker 1: yet under the War Powers Resolution, he doesn't need congressional approval.
37:38
Speaker 1: He can send him on in and then begins the
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Speaker 1: clock ticking on that sixty days I mentioned him over
37:43
Speaker 1: a moment Ago requires a president to notify Congress within
37:46
Speaker 1: forty eight hours of committing forces, meaning it's already the
37:50
Speaker 1: forces are already bombing, which is what we saw over
37:52
Speaker 1: the weekend. Military action then has to cease within sixty
37:56
Speaker 1: days unless we again get that authorization for use of
37:58
Speaker 1: military force or a declation of war, or it ceases
38:01
Speaker 1: to exist and troops must be withdrawn because the clock
38:05
Speaker 1: ran out. Who came up with sixty days? Another fun
38:10
Speaker 1: question to contemplate. So we've already got a forty eight
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Speaker 1: hour notification requirement. The clock is ticking. February twenty eighth
38:17
Speaker 1: was the beginning, so he's got till April twenty ninth
38:21
Speaker 1: until the troops must be withdrawal, although there is an
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Speaker 1: extension period. Of course, there is a thirty day withdraw
38:26
Speaker 1: period if the troops are in jeopardy, so you can
38:28
Speaker 1: make sure certain that we're a least going to get
38:30
Speaker 1: additional thirty days. So there's ninety total days. Warpowers resolution
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Speaker 1: introduced the president. Here's the fun fact. So they do
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Speaker 1: this on Thursday. Let's say there is a majority of
38:40
Speaker 1: folks that are in favor of curbing or otherwise withdrawing
38:42
Speaker 1: troops from the act actions they're involved with. The president
38:45
Speaker 1: can veto it. Well, Nixon tried to veto the whole
38:49
Speaker 1: War Powers Act in the first place. They overrode that.
38:52
Speaker 1: Anybody think that they could override a presidential veto given
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Speaker 1: the margins in Congress right now, No, I don't think
38:57
Speaker 1: that's going to happen. And a lot of presidents have
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Speaker 1: been arguing and going all the way back to Truman
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Speaker 1: about congressional war powers restraints, typically arguing that the commander
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Speaker 1: in chief authority gives the president an inherent power to
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Speaker 1: use military force. Of course, when you enter nineteen seventy
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Speaker 1: three with the passage of the War Powers Act, yes,
39:19
Speaker 1: he may have been able to commit troops to out
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Speaker 1: there in the world in spite of this goes on
39:25
Speaker 1: to the long history of presidents doing something outside of
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Speaker 1: congressional authorization Korea, Vietnam, kause of Olibya, Syria. Hey, Barack
39:33
Speaker 1: Obama did this too. And if you remember when Barack
39:36
Speaker 1: Obama killed Milmarketafi and started blowing things up in Syria
39:39
Speaker 1: for regime change, they all applauded it. This is awesome.
39:44
Speaker 1: Gaddafi wasn't even on our radar at the time. Congress
39:49
Speaker 1: has repeatedly failed to enforce its own War Powers resolution
39:53
Speaker 1: because members are reluctant to be seen as against troops
39:56
Speaker 1: once operations begin. And isn't that the important part? Are
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Speaker 1: they going to try to unring even democrats? Unring? The
40:03
Speaker 1: bell of military activity going on right now widely viewed
40:06
Speaker 1: by many as very successful, given that we are destroying
40:09
Speaker 1: the Iranian's ability to launch missiles into the world, generally speaking,
40:16
Speaker 1: hopefully in their funding of terrorist organizations who they got
40:19
Speaker 1: to do all of their dirty work. You see, Iran
40:21
Speaker 1: wasn't directly fingerprint on the trigger responsible no, no, no,
40:26
Speaker 1: they hired people to do it Hamas among others. So
40:36
Speaker 1: the executive branch has argued that provisions of the Warpowers
40:40
Speaker 1: resolutions are themselves unconstitutional, and I would argue that as well.
40:43
Speaker 1: There is sufficient Supreme Court case law saying that you
40:46
Speaker 1: can't delegate delegate your responsibilities under the Constitution to a
40:51
Speaker 1: different branch of government. Congress has the power to declare war,
40:55
Speaker 1: and if you look at the War Powers Resolution, it
40:57
Speaker 1: kind of really does delegate that power to the President,
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Speaker 1: at least on a subset level, which I think if
41:03
Speaker 1: it ever was in front of the Supreme Court, that's
41:04
Speaker 1: the way the Supreme Court would come down. The Warpowers
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Speaker 1: Resolution to halt military action passes with a simple majority,
41:13
Speaker 1: which Trump can veto it, so you'll need two thirds
41:17
Speaker 1: majority to override the veto, and again that's not going
41:19
Speaker 1: to happen. That's why I think this is symbolic, not
41:23
Speaker 1: that I don't mind having the argument, because it puts
41:25
Speaker 1: people on record. I like knowing what where are our
41:30
Speaker 1: men and women in Congress are at least in so
41:32
Speaker 1: far as the record is concerned. That's pointed out other
41:35
Speaker 1: arguments critics raised that under an originalist reading of the Constitution,
41:39
Speaker 1: here we go with Judge Napolitana's point, Congressional approval is
41:43
Speaker 1: required for use of force abroad period and the story
41:46
Speaker 1: the Warpowers Resolution or Warpowers Act is not constitutional. But
41:51
Speaker 1: then again that would be a strict constructionist viewpoint. We've
41:57
Speaker 1: seen liberal chords with liberal interpretations. I can randomly pull
42:02
Speaker 1: Roe v. Way out as an example. That's legislation from
42:05
Speaker 1: the bench. They actually basically wrote a law and legislation
42:08
Speaker 1: into the bench, complete with you know, first trimester, second trimester,
42:12
Speaker 1: third trimester. This is not the purview of the Court
42:15
Speaker 1: to do that. You let Congress do it. Or, as
42:19
Speaker 1: most recently they pointed out, under a strict constructionist viewpoint,
42:24
Speaker 1: whether or not abortion is lawful or there are terms
42:28
Speaker 1: and conditions or restrictions on it is a state responsibility.
42:32
Speaker 1: The Constitution is silent on it. Let's see your tenth Amendment.
42:34
Speaker 1: That's what it should have been all along, and then
42:38
Speaker 1: you got precedent. Every US military action since nineteen forty
42:43
Speaker 1: two has occurred without a formal declaration of war. They
42:46
Speaker 1: do it over and over again. I just went through
42:48
Speaker 1: multiple conflicts where they either Congress sat on its hand
42:50
Speaker 1: and ignored it, tacically agreed with it outright came out
42:54
Speaker 1: and said great job, president, or maybe a little critical.
42:57
Speaker 1: But did they bring it up for a vote. Nope.
43:00
Speaker 1: That's what Massey's doing. And Rocanna, and of course Congressman
43:06
Speaker 1: Warren Davidson, he said it on the show a week
43:10
Speaker 1: or so, a week ago, and it was just yesterday
43:13
Speaker 1: or Monday, said the Trumpetan administration hasn't effectively explained the
43:18
Speaker 1: US military objective in Iran. He was talking with a
43:22
Speaker 1: CNN who asked is whether the Trump administration has done
43:27
Speaker 1: a good enough job in offering explanation for strikes on Iran.
43:31
Speaker 1: Davidson said, no, I don't. I asked for a classified
43:34
Speaker 1: briefing last week before the war began to explain what
43:37
Speaker 1: the mission is, to find the mission in Iran, and
43:40
Speaker 1: we're seeing it today with multiple definitions basically under the
43:46
Speaker 1: War Powers Resolution. He said, having a discrete objective is
43:49
Speaker 1: what you want, why you want to do with this
43:51
Speaker 1: with full congressional authorization, so you have a debate when
43:55
Speaker 1: that has been done, he said, I think back to
43:57
Speaker 1: the start of the war Interaq, which I Congress Warren
44:00
Speaker 1: Davidson opposed personally, but the country decided to throw to
44:03
Speaker 1: go and there was a vote Congress authorized it with
44:08
Speaker 1: an authorization for use of military force. But he points out,
44:12
Speaker 1: obviously it was supposed to be a limited war with
44:14
Speaker 1: limited objectives to get the weapons of mass destruction that
44:17
Speaker 1: went on for a protracted period of time, I'll interject.
44:20
Speaker 1: He then noted that it shifted to a regime change war,
44:23
Speaker 1: which was beyond the scope of the authorization for use
44:26
Speaker 1: of military force, which was widely viewed liberally to allow
44:29
Speaker 1: a regime change after we went in and I guess
44:32
Speaker 1: appeasing the listeners who said there were weapons of mass
44:34
Speaker 1: destruction there after we found them or at least took
44:37
Speaker 1: them away from the leader. So Congressman Davidson's still on
44:43
Speaker 1: record that he looks like a no vote on this one.
44:46
Speaker 1: But ultimately, when you realize that Donald Trump can veto
44:50
Speaker 1: whatever it is that comes out there if there isn't
44:52
Speaker 1: an overwhelming majority in favor of it, you view this
44:56
Speaker 1: exercises pointless or important because we get them on record
44:59
Speaker 1: either way you go. Ultimately, it looks like nothing's going
45:02
Speaker 1: to happen, which to me suggests if the clock gets
45:08
Speaker 1: to sixty days, then the troops will have to automatically
45:11
Speaker 1: be withdrawn. Interesting thing to ponder six nineteen right now,
45:16
Speaker 1: if you have care, see the talk station. Oh, let's
45:20
Speaker 1: see right now sinks the talk station.
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Speaker 8: Six.
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Speaker 1: Got time for a phone call. We're gonna go to cribbage, Mike,
45:29
Speaker 1: my submarine to front. I'm going to see today at
45:31
Speaker 1: the Works Pizza Company in Loveland for our cribbage game
45:33
Speaker 1: and listener lunch. Mike, absolutely, sir.
45:36
Speaker 8: You know I said it many times. You know, our
45:39
Speaker 8: are the fellowship there and our card game are one
45:42
Speaker 8: of the key factors. However, to get out to these
45:44
Speaker 8: local establishments that listener lunch provides. I've never been to
45:48
Speaker 8: this facility, but I'm definitely looking forward to it.
45:52
Speaker 1: Oh, you'll enjoy it. I've been there quite a few times.
45:54
Speaker 1: It's a really comfortable place. They have a wide menu.
45:56
Speaker 1: It's known for its pizza. But you trust me, you
45:58
Speaker 1: don't have to eat pizza. If you go the Works
46:00
Speaker 1: Pizza Companies.
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Speaker 8: There, they go wrong. Yeah, obviously, our men and women
46:06
Speaker 8: around the world literally in support of this effort, are
46:09
Speaker 8: in our thoughts and our prayers, because I think it
46:12
Speaker 8: goes without saying. Even during peacetime military service could be
46:15
Speaker 8: classified as hazardous, and when you're in a wartime footing,
46:18
Speaker 8: it just ramps up exponentially. Speaking from my own experience,
46:22
Speaker 8: sixteen twenty hour days of tension are pretty much the
46:26
Speaker 8: norm at what those men and women are going through
46:29
Speaker 8: over there, and with the president and now talking about
46:32
Speaker 8: because you have one of Mother Nature's ultimate choke points,
46:36
Speaker 8: the straits of her moves in order to get that
46:37
Speaker 8: oil flowing again, I can only imagine what our sailors
46:42
Speaker 8: aboard surface ships and to my intel, I know there's
46:45
Speaker 8: five submarines at least over there that has been pretty
46:48
Speaker 8: much put out to make sure that safe passage of
46:51
Speaker 8: oil happens. And so keep our troops in your forefront.
46:58
Speaker 8: And another way to thank the people well who came
47:00
Speaker 8: before us, if I so, may I appreciate you having
47:03
Speaker 8: Cheryl pop on last week. But this Sunday we have
47:06
Speaker 8: a flightless honor flight. You've been on an honor flight,
47:09
Speaker 8: you know how physically taxing that can be. And so
47:13
Speaker 8: this Sunday at the Anderson Town Center on five Mile.
47:16
Speaker 8: We will be honoring veterans who cannot do that, one
47:21
Speaker 8: of our four flights that we do every year. So
47:24
Speaker 8: if you want to get there about three thirty or so,
47:27
Speaker 8: about four o'clock, we will be having a welcome home
47:30
Speaker 8: honoring these veterans. For the most part, they're going to
47:33
Speaker 8: get about an hour and a half of a video
47:36
Speaker 8: windshield tour songs, patriotic songs, you know, just our way
47:41
Speaker 8: of saying thanks the fact that you can't get on
47:43
Speaker 8: that plane and ride around DC and actually see it,
47:46
Speaker 8: We're going to bring them to you. But the whole
47:48
Speaker 8: purpose of Sunday afternoon, if you can make it, is
47:52
Speaker 8: to once again during that parade, reach out and shake
47:55
Speaker 8: every one of those veterans' hands, because during Korea, during Vietna,
48:00
Speaker 8: they did made my service possible. They did what our
48:05
Speaker 8: current troops are doing right now in the Gulf.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can only imagine, you know, most notably
48:10
Speaker 1: being on a surface ship in the middle of a
48:14
Speaker 1: war like this, the stress. I mean, any moment in time,
48:18
Speaker 1: some you know, random drone or missile could just blow
48:21
Speaker 1: up the side of the boat. I mean, Lord Almighty
48:24
Speaker 1: Mikey put An explanation point on that one. God bless
48:27
Speaker 1: you and thank you profoundly. If you're a service to
48:29
Speaker 1: our country. I will see you at the Works Pizza
48:32
Speaker 1: Company for our cribbage game and our fellowship and I
48:34
Speaker 1: look forward to that as I always do. And I
48:35
Speaker 1: want to thank you from the bottom of my heart
48:37
Speaker 1: for your ongoing service to Honor Flight. Tri State. Get
48:40
Speaker 1: involved and show up at the Flightless Honor Flight. We'll
48:42
Speaker 1: have a welcome home ceremony like they do with CVEG.
48:44
Speaker 1: Thanks for the reminder, Mike. God bless you, sir six
48:47
Speaker 1: eight ED. If you want to hang on out of way,
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Speaker 1: out of time in this segment, you will be first
48:51
Speaker 1: before we get the local stories. I'm the talk station's
49:00
Speaker 1: thirty three ififty about care and ce detok station. I'll
49:02
Speaker 1: go straight to the phone because the promise, ED, I'd
49:04
Speaker 1: take this call right out of the gate, and thank
49:06
Speaker 1: you for holding over the break there. Welcome to the
49:07
Speaker 1: morning show, hiber and.
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Speaker 9: I have a question regarding a particular aspect of the
49:13
Speaker 9: constitutionality issue at hand here with.
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Speaker 6: Respect to Iran.
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Speaker 9: I'll do my best, so all right, I'm warning if
49:19
Speaker 9: this has been adjudicated, so of course the Constitution says
49:23
Speaker 9: that only Congress can declare war, but as far as
49:27
Speaker 9: I understand, that does not say that the president cannot
49:31
Speaker 9: engage in military action outside of a declared war. And
49:34
Speaker 9: maybe the argument would be, well, it doesn't need to
49:36
Speaker 9: prohibit that, because by the Constitution's structure, the government can
49:40
Speaker 9: only do what it allows. It doesn't need to prohibit things.
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Speaker 6: Do you know what, has this been adjudicated?
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Speaker 1: I don't think it has, but I guess because the
49:48
Speaker 1: War Powers Act got enacted because of course, presidents can
49:52
Speaker 1: you know, use military force to protect the United States
49:55
Speaker 1: from eminent threats, for example, And that's kind of the
49:57
Speaker 1: argument that's been made. Iran represent its I'm sort of
50:00
Speaker 1: eminent threat, leaving a lot of people to question, well,
50:02
Speaker 1: wait a second, Well then what does eminent mean? Because
50:04
Speaker 1: they can't shoot us with anything that they've got. They're
50:06
Speaker 1: not on our doorstep, they're not coming over the hill.
50:09
Speaker 1: So there's that little component right there. But yeah, he's
50:12
Speaker 1: commander in chief of the American military. If there's a
50:14
Speaker 1: threat to the United States of America, he can engage
50:16
Speaker 1: the troops. Since nineteen seventy three, he can engage the
50:19
Speaker 1: troops for sixty days absent a declaration of war or
50:23
Speaker 1: a authorization for use of military force for ongoing conflict
50:27
Speaker 1: along some defined limited scope. Is that constitutional? I don't
50:33
Speaker 1: even know if, because that's ever been tested in courd
50:35
Speaker 1: to here the War Powers Act. But we're now at
50:36
Speaker 1: least in a structured time frame here which requires the
50:40
Speaker 1: president to get an authorization for use, requires Congress to
50:43
Speaker 1: declare war, or requires the withdrawal of troops after sixty days. TikTok, TikTok.
50:49
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure. Did I answer your question ed?
50:53
Speaker 9: Yeah, I guess what you're saying is that this hasn't
50:56
Speaker 9: been adjudicated with us in the courts, or if you're
51:00
Speaker 9: saying that even the War Powers Act itself has never
51:02
Speaker 9: been taken to the courts, that is.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that is my understanding, And I can run that
51:07
Speaker 1: past judgment of Polatanam. But he's already he and I
51:09
Speaker 1: have already talked about the War Powers Resolution Warpowers Act
51:13
Speaker 1: before and he and others, and I know Congress from
51:16
Speaker 1: MASSI feels the same way. You can't delegate that power.
51:19
Speaker 1: The declaration of war cannot be delegated, but effectively is
51:24
Speaker 1: with this War Powers Resolution Act because it allows the
51:28
Speaker 1: President to engage in conflict and then waits around for
51:30
Speaker 1: Congress to finally respond to it. But again that clock
51:34
Speaker 1: is ticking. And I laughed about that because I guess
51:38
Speaker 1: Speaker Johnson is saying, you know, and I understand his
51:41
Speaker 1: point on all this, that this is this is frightening.
51:45
Speaker 1: He said, I think the idea that we would move
51:48
Speaker 1: a War Powers Act vote right now, which again Thursday,
51:51
Speaker 1: I mean, it would force the floor, it would be
51:54
Speaker 1: forced to the floor. But the idea that we would
51:56
Speaker 1: take the ability of our commander in chief, the President,
51:59
Speaker 1: take authority away right now to finish this job is
52:02
Speaker 1: a frightening prospect to me. Okay, I get that. But
52:08
Speaker 1: under the War Powers Act, the clock is ticking sixty
52:11
Speaker 1: days Congress, and there's this weird timetable. If you want
52:15
Speaker 1: to read something that will drive you crazy, go to
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Speaker 1: the federal government's website on the War Powers Resolution Warpowers Act.
52:23
Speaker 1: I could read it to you, it would just it
52:24
Speaker 1: would you would be so your eyes did blur over
52:27
Speaker 1: on the timeframe of what they need to do. Authorizing
52:31
Speaker 1: bill or joint resolution must be introduced within the first
52:33
Speaker 1: calendar days of the sixty day period. It goes on.
52:36
Speaker 1: Then you got to have it through committees, a Committee
52:39
Speaker 1: on Foreign Affairs. Once legislation has been referred, each committee
52:43
Speaker 1: must report them measure at least twenty four calendar days
52:45
Speaker 1: prior to the expedition of the sixty day window. It
52:47
Speaker 1: goes on and on and on and on with all
52:50
Speaker 1: these different fourteen day periods. Sixty day it's just huh,
52:55
Speaker 1: just one little sub element of it. But in the
52:58
Speaker 1: final analysis, I keep going back to the fact that
53:00
Speaker 1: Trump can veto anything that comes out of this discussion,
53:03
Speaker 1: but that doesn't stop the sixty day clock. So what
53:10
Speaker 1: does that mean? The resolution doesn't pass because there aren't
53:14
Speaker 1: fifty plus votes, that stops the process. Okay, we tried,
53:19
Speaker 1: but the clock still ticks. Out of the War Powers Act.
53:22
Speaker 1: We're going to maybe get into that with Napolitano as well.
53:24
Speaker 1: I'm interested in focusing on that more than really anything
53:27
Speaker 1: right now, because it's quite confusing, not confusing. Sixty fifty
53:32
Speaker 1: five KRC detoxation Eppy Wednesday, Well, thank you. Retired Colonel
53:42
Speaker 1: Bob to Tire a good friend of mine. He teaches,
53:45
Speaker 1: you know, active shooter defense classes for businesses and churches.
53:51
Speaker 1: He teaches emerging wound care. So if you're in the
53:53
Speaker 1: middle of one of these things, you can save lives
53:55
Speaker 1: by learning how to deal with people with significant wounds.
53:59
Speaker 1: He's been in combat, he's been in war up to
54:01
Speaker 1: his eyeballs, shot a couple of times by AK forty seven,
54:05
Speaker 1: blown up by an ied, highly decorated man. Bob, if
54:08
Speaker 1: you're out there, God bless you for your service to
54:09
Speaker 1: our country. But I'm on this this text group with
54:14
Speaker 1: him and other military folks and folks in the know.
54:16
Speaker 1: And I read this article that someone linked me, and
54:18
Speaker 1: it frightened me to death. And it frightened me to
54:21
Speaker 1: death even more because I wake up and I read
54:23
Speaker 1: about the people having or the noted notables in government
54:26
Speaker 1: talking about fears of Iranian back terror cells operating in
54:29
Speaker 1: the United States and that they might start popping up again.
54:32
Speaker 1: And keep your eyes open, said they. First of all,
54:36
Speaker 1: wake up call for the homeland came hours after Operation
54:39
Speaker 1: Epic Free began. When that crazy so and so originally
54:44
Speaker 1: from Senegal. You know that guy the property of a
54:47
Speaker 1: La Hoodie opened fire to bar in Texas. Immediately, the
54:50
Speaker 1: FEDS were saying this could be a terrorist action, it
54:53
Speaker 1: could be in response for launching a war against the
54:56
Speaker 1: Iranians possible retaliation. Interviewed, Vice president of the Davis Institute
55:05
Speaker 1: for National Security and Foreign Policy at the Heritage Foundation,
55:08
Speaker 1: Victoria Coats said, you know, it's impossible to know who
55:11
Speaker 1: crossed the border during the four years of the four
55:13
Speaker 1: years of Biden administration, but we do know that there
55:15
Speaker 1: were a number of folks on the terror watch list,
55:19
Speaker 1: some that we encountered. Look, let's cross reference them. US
55:24
Speaker 1: custom and Border Protection and counted nearly four hundred illegal
55:27
Speaker 1: immigrants with terrorism related records between ports of entry during
55:31
Speaker 1: Biden administration part of their data. Although they all look
55:34
Speaker 1: over there the two million known godaways, no vetting, no
55:37
Speaker 1: interview with them, no determination whether they represent some security
55:40
Speaker 1: risk in the United States of America. They're running around
55:42
Speaker 1: inside our country. Some think because of that, and because
55:46
Speaker 1: of our concerns over terrorism, that's one of the reasons
55:49
Speaker 1: for the immigrations and customs to crack down. It's got
55:52
Speaker 1: really nothing to do with kicking Grandma out of the
55:54
Speaker 1: country who's been here for twenty years. Has got everything
55:56
Speaker 1: to do with one of the two million people that
55:58
Speaker 1: Joe Biden let into our country. Who are they and
56:01
Speaker 1: might they be one interested in doing something bad to us.
56:07
Speaker 1: This is where we pivot back to Bob. To Bob's
56:10
Speaker 1: well linked to the article on this, National Counterism Center
56:14
Speaker 1: director Joe Kent warned, we were flooded with eighteen thousand
56:21
Speaker 1: known and suspected terrorists. That's the figure that came up
56:24
Speaker 1: in the article, an independent article from the facts and
56:27
Speaker 1: figures I'm getting from the reporting over at Zero Edge.
56:31
Speaker 1: But all this is kind of I can just just
56:33
Speaker 1: assume the eighteen thousand. It could be more, it could
56:36
Speaker 1: be less. But in this frightening analysis, if you consider
56:42
Speaker 1: eighteen thousand sleeper cell folks that are just waiting around
56:45
Speaker 1: to get to get the green light to do something
56:47
Speaker 1: here by way of nefarious or dangerous or destructive activity.
56:51
Speaker 1: Eighteen thousand divided by five why five a five man
56:55
Speaker 1: team that may be something that may have some significance
56:59
Speaker 1: from my military friends out there. You divide thirty six
57:04
Speaker 1: you know, eighteen thousand of outed by five man team,
57:06
Speaker 1: you get thirty six hundred. Divide that by fifty states.
57:09
Speaker 1: That means there would be seventy two five men terrorist
57:13
Speaker 1: teams in every single state. And that's when this military
57:19
Speaker 1: guy started breaking down all of the havoc that those
57:21
Speaker 1: five men teams, seventy to of them in each state.
57:23
Speaker 1: Think about that. How many major cities do we have
57:25
Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio. You could assigned multiple five
57:28
Speaker 1: man teams. They could attack power stations, they could launch
57:31
Speaker 1: chemical weapons, they could start firing into indiscriminately, into concerts
57:35
Speaker 1: and other gatherings. They could effectively, and he went through
57:38
Speaker 1: this detailed analysis, the ripple effect of all this effectively
57:41
Speaker 1: bringing our country to a standstill. That's the kind of
57:44
Speaker 1: existential threat you gotta worry about. That's why Joe Biden
57:51
Speaker 1: may have set us on a perilous course to having
57:55
Speaker 1: a massive conflict within our borders. Do I ever want
57:58
Speaker 1: that to happen? Hell no? Do I hope all all
58:00
Speaker 1: of these people are wrong? Hell? Yes? Do I hope
58:02
Speaker 1: that none of these people are involved in sleep or
58:05
Speaker 1: cell activity, none of them have terrorist connections? Is that
58:09
Speaker 1: a reasonable hope? I mean, seriously, is that hope against hope?
58:13
Speaker 1: Of course it is. There is no way possible that
58:20
Speaker 1: there aren't nefarious actors right now in our country that
58:24
Speaker 1: may be willing to do us harm on a moment's notice.
58:27
Speaker 1: And that's something we all need to keep aware of
58:29
Speaker 1: and concerned about, and keep our eyes peeled for suspicious activity.
58:33
Speaker 1: I guess six forty seven right now fifty five kr
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Speaker 1: CD talk station getting cuts with susantt Low's camper. Six
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Speaker 1: fifty two Here at fifty five KRCD talk station after
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Speaker 1: the top of the airn is of course the big
58:51
Speaker 1: picture with Jack add and his topic today Iran in history,
58:54
Speaker 1: we'll hear from Adam Miller, concerned veterans from Ohio sum
58:57
Speaker 1: it in for Donald and Neil about military actions in
58:59
Speaker 1: Iran as well Steve Belso. Thank god for Steve and
59:01
Speaker 1: the Claremont Kenny Veterans Association given us some information. At
59:04
Speaker 1: seven forty we'll hear from Ken Cober FOP president on
59:06
Speaker 1: the nightclub shooting and yes, the FEDS have gotten involved
59:10
Speaker 1: with that. When a mayor of aftab perval has finally
59:13
Speaker 1: woken up to the reality that his low bond, soft
59:15
Speaker 1: on crime policies which he embraced and I think had
59:18
Speaker 1: implemented in Hamilton County not going real well shocked. I'm
59:22
Speaker 1: shocked to find out that this crazy gun toting guy
59:25
Speaker 1: that was willing to shoot into a club that had
59:27
Speaker 1: five to oh maybe even eight hundred people in it
59:30
Speaker 1: was under weapons with disability charge and the judge led
59:33
Speaker 1: him out on a fifty thousand dollars bond or assigned
59:36
Speaker 1: a fifty thousand dollars bond. Anyway, troubled is our Cincinnati Mayor.
59:43
Speaker 1: I was made aware the bond has been issued for
59:44
Speaker 1: one of the two suspects of Russia in connection to
59:46
Speaker 1: Sunday Mornings Mash casualty shooting. The decision to allow for
59:50
Speaker 1: the res of the release of the accused is problematic
59:52
Speaker 1: and extremely concerning, and I stand in opposition. This is
59:57
Speaker 1: a community safety issue. The accused, after such a horrific
1:00:00
Speaker 1: event involving so many victims, should be on the should
1:00:03
Speaker 1: not be on the streets during the court process. Welcome
1:00:06
Speaker 1: to reality, Mayor, thanks to be on our side for
1:00:08
Speaker 1: a moment in time. The Feds got involved in this one,
1:00:14
Speaker 1: and thank you Signal ninety nine for breaking it all
1:00:16
Speaker 1: down for us. If you follow her on Facebook, you
1:00:18
Speaker 1: see her entire report on this three single space pages
1:00:21
Speaker 1: worth of information related to the clowns involved in this shooting.
1:00:26
Speaker 1: So anyway, the federal charge has been filed. I guess
1:00:28
Speaker 1: the federal government didn't think that the Hamilton County was
1:00:30
Speaker 1: going to manage things well because these guys, well the
1:00:33
Speaker 1: guy one guy still in the hospital, he'll be charged
1:00:35
Speaker 1: when he gets out. But they're facing charges at a
1:00:38
Speaker 1: state level. So your state charges single count at least
1:00:43
Speaker 1: for one of them, of felonious assault. But then enter
1:00:46
Speaker 1: the FEDS charge with federally. If charge federally with the
1:00:49
Speaker 1: illegal possession of a firearm or ammunition as a convicted felon,
1:00:53
Speaker 1: that is your disability charge here in the state. Convicted
1:00:57
Speaker 1: fellaws can't have firearms anymore. They lose their Second Amendment right,
1:01:00
Speaker 1: so they're charging him federally with that. And apparently the
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Speaker 1: men face up to fifteen years in prison on each charge.
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Speaker 10: Hi friend, thanks as always, and regular listeners, don't worry.
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Speaker 10: I'm not going to repeat for the upteenth time. But
1:02:25
Speaker 10: I believe were President Trump's justifications for striking Iran both
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Speaker 10: constitutional meeting Article two, go and read it, and historical.
1:02:36
Speaker 10: Every Democrat since Truman has used so called unauthorized military force.
1:02:41
Speaker 10: Who talked about this last that hour, and even statutory.
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Speaker 10: Trump has repeatedly notified Congressional leaders as required by the
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Speaker 10: War Powers Act, assuming it's constitutional. The President was authorized
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Speaker 10: to strike Iran last June, then Azuela last January, and
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Speaker 10: ira On again last Saturday. Senator Rand Paul and Congressman
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Speaker 10: Thomas Massey, who says Trump is using Iran to distract
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Speaker 10: from the Epstein files. That's Thomas Massey for you. They
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Speaker 10: and I'm sorry to say my Congressman Warren Davidson disagree
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Speaker 10: with me. Davidson says the President violated his own America
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Speaker 10: First policy. But let me point out that America First
1:03:29
Speaker 10: has had different meanings. Before December seventh, nineteen forty one,
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Speaker 10: America Firsters opposed helping Great Britain, even with land lease,
1:03:39
Speaker 10: so the Churchill would have some weapons in the fight
1:03:41
Speaker 10: against Tedtler.
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Speaker 7: I call those.
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Speaker 10: America Firsters and their modern counterparts isolationists. Had the Japanese
1:03:50
Speaker 10: not attacked US at Pearl Harbor and forced US into
1:03:53
Speaker 10: World War II, we might now be speaking German, and
1:03:56
Speaker 10: that's not a joke. By contrast, Donald Trump's eye idea
1:04:00
Speaker 10: of America First is to protect America from open borders,
1:04:05
Speaker 10: drug cartels, ruin his trade deals, democrats, socialism, and certainly
1:04:11
Speaker 10: not least state sponsors of terror jihadist regimes that have
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Speaker 10: killed thousands of Americans and threatened to kill us all.
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Speaker 10: Death to America is not just a bumper sticker in Iran?
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Speaker 10: But Brian, can we move on to something else? We
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Speaker 10: always try to let history shine a light on what's
1:04:31
Speaker 10: going on. So how about a few old time thoughts
1:04:34
Speaker 10: about Iran. First Saturday's surprise, Israel and America wiped out
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Speaker 10: pretty much the entire Iranian theocracy, including the Supreme leader
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Speaker 10: Ayatola Haamani and his defense minister, the guy from the
1:04:50
Speaker 10: Revolutionary Guards. Because last Saturday, in broad daylight, despite the
1:04:55
Speaker 10: threat of war, mullah's and ministers gathered for a high
1:04:59
Speaker 10: level breakfast meeting. Why on earth would they do that? Well,
1:05:06
Speaker 10: my thought is thinking just to myself, maybe it was
1:05:08
Speaker 10: an all you can eat breakfast. And yes, Trump was
1:05:12
Speaker 10: publicly giving mixed signals about progress or lack thereof, in
1:05:17
Speaker 10: nuclear negotiations, so the Malas may have figured there was
1:05:20
Speaker 10: more time to play ropodope about enriching uranium again and
1:05:26
Speaker 10: reconstituting their arsenal after last June's attack. But beyond that,
1:05:32
Speaker 10: Iran's leaders also knew that historically, many Jews have refused
1:05:37
Speaker 10: to fight on the Sabbath. In biblical times, they even
1:05:41
Speaker 10: allowed themselves to be massacred. That's why, after he lost
1:05:44
Speaker 10: one thousand men, Judah Maccabee of Hanika fame had to
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Speaker 10: relax the prohibition. But even today Jews debate whether it's
1:05:52
Speaker 10: permitted to launch attacks on a Saturday. Now, consider what
1:05:57
Speaker 10: Israel accomplished with that attack. To these strikes, Iran now
1:06:02
Speaker 10: has fewer top leaders than Nazi Germany did before Hitler
1:06:07
Speaker 10: committed suicide and the others went on trial at Nuremberg.
1:06:11
Speaker 10: Still crucial as the surprise element was, including the undercover
1:06:16
Speaker 10: intelligence gathered by Israel's Massad agents embedded in Iraq and
1:06:21
Speaker 10: by our Cia, and of course our military is meticulously
1:06:25
Speaker 10: planned and brilliantly executed attacks. So much for the Democrats
1:06:30
Speaker 10: taunt of takeo meaning Trump always chickens out incredible as
1:06:35
Speaker 10: all that was Brian, I think the real key to
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Speaker 10: success stems from the Abraham Accords, dating back to Trump's
1:06:43
Speaker 10: first term. These peaceful economic agreements were named after the
1:06:48
Speaker 10: Bibles Abraham, the common ancestor of Arabs and Jews. Before
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Speaker 10: the Abraham Accords, starting in the nineteen fifties and sixties,
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Speaker 10: with Egypt's Gamel abdul Nasser, who craved a pan Arabic state,
1:07:02
Speaker 10: and more recently Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, who proclaimed a
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Speaker 10: new Islamic caliphate isis until Trump killed him. For more
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Speaker 10: than forty no, no, I'm sorry, people. For more than
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Speaker 10: seventy years, the Middle East has been rocked by leaders
1:07:20
Speaker 10: who cemented their power by promising Israeli genocide. Previous American
1:07:25
Speaker 10: presidents tried negotiating peace deals between Israel and Palestinians. Some
1:07:31
Speaker 10: of them were suicidal for Israel, like Bill Clinton asking
1:07:35
Speaker 10: Israel to give up the Golan Heights give them back
1:07:38
Speaker 10: to Syria, which would have let Israel completely defenseless. Yet
1:07:43
Speaker 10: even that deal was torpedoed by the Palestinians Yaser Araphat,
1:07:48
Speaker 10: because Palestinians would not concede Israel's right to exist between
1:07:53
Speaker 10: the river and the sea, as the kids of Columbia
1:07:55
Speaker 10: would say, which is to say, anywhere in the Jews
1:07:58
Speaker 10: historic homelands. So Trump and his son in law Jared
1:08:02
Speaker 10: Kushner did an end run around the Palestinians and Iran.
1:08:07
Speaker 10: The Abraham Accords hold out of future where Jews and
1:08:11
Speaker 10: Muslims shared technology, trade and jointly make the Middle East
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Speaker 10: a true oasis. Trump hopes Gaza can become the next
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Speaker 10: French riviera. Everybody lasts at that, but he wants it
1:08:23
Speaker 10: to be run by Palestinians. The President's enemies accuse him
1:08:28
Speaker 10: of imperialism annexation, but Trump's twenty point piece proposal includes
1:08:35
Speaker 10: and I'll read you number twelve quote. No one will
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Speaker 10: be forced to leave Gaza, and those who wish to
1:08:40
Speaker 10: leave will be free to do so and free to return.
1:08:44
Speaker 10: We will encourage people to stay and offer the opportunity
1:08:48
Speaker 10: to build a better Gaza. And here's number nineteen Brian.
1:08:52
Speaker 10: While Gaza redevelopment advances, and when the Palestinian Authority reform
1:08:57
Speaker 10: program is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be
1:09:02
Speaker 10: in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self determination
1:09:07
Speaker 10: and statehood, which we recognize as the aspiration of the
1:09:12
Speaker 10: Palestinian people. End quote. The fact that Iron's responded to
1:09:16
Speaker 10: these strikes by attacking not just Israel but Arab countries
1:09:21
Speaker 10: as well, will only draw them closer to Israel and
1:09:25
Speaker 10: maybe more of them into the Abraham Accords. One last point,
1:09:29
Speaker 10: my friend, which ties into America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday.
1:09:34
Speaker 10: We're now hoping that a liberated Iran will become a
1:09:37
Speaker 10: Western style democracy. But folks, that wasn't easy even for
1:09:42
Speaker 10: Western democracies, unlike America, which had a long history of
1:09:47
Speaker 10: colonial town halls and legislatures. When the French thirteen years
1:09:52
Speaker 10: after US when they rose up against their king in
1:09:55
Speaker 10: seventeen eighty nine, they had no tradition of self government,
1:10:00
Speaker 10: so the new French Republic plunged into a reign of
1:10:03
Speaker 10: terror and then a military dictatorship under Napoleon. Still, let's
1:10:09
Speaker 10: close on a hopeful note. Last week, a diverse group
1:10:13
Speaker 10: of Iranian exiles in London formed where they called the
1:10:17
Speaker 10: Iranian Freedom Council. President Trump is still checking that out.
1:10:21
Speaker 10: The Senator posed Shah Razapa Lavi has offered to lead
1:10:25
Speaker 10: a government that would quickly hold free elections. With that work,
1:10:30
Speaker 10: We once discussed the first elected leader of Russia, Brian.
1:10:35
Speaker 10: After the Czar was toppled, a guy named Alexander Kerensky.
1:10:39
Speaker 10: Lenin and his Bolsheviks quickly toppled Kerensky and turned Russia
1:10:44
Speaker 10: into the communist, murderous USSR. Could this happen in Iran?
1:10:50
Speaker 1: Who knows?
1:10:51
Speaker 10: Heck, we may be losing America right now to socialists
1:10:55
Speaker 10: and illegal migrants, but as long as Donald Trump has
1:10:59
Speaker 10: something to say about it, Iran will not have nuclear
1:11:02
Speaker 10: weapons or thousands of ballistic missiles, and maybe, just maybe,
1:11:07
Speaker 10: Iran will one day join the Abraham Accords. Brian, we
1:11:12
Speaker 10: mourn all lives lost on both sides, especially those of
1:11:16
Speaker 10: our valiant American service members, and Congress including Rand Paul,
1:11:22
Speaker 10: Thomas Massey, and Warren Davidson. Congress has every right to
1:11:27
Speaker 10: stop funding this operation. That's their constitutional prerogative. The way
1:11:31
Speaker 10: Congress right now is refusing to fund the Department of
1:11:35
Speaker 10: Homeland Security, which is a disgrace. But I think America
1:11:40
Speaker 10: will ultimately thank Donald Trump for protecting our border and
1:11:45
Speaker 10: protecting the world.
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Speaker 1: What do you say now, Yeah, well, I have to
1:11:49
Speaker 1: immediately gravitate to the whole Abraham Accord things. You know,
1:11:52
Speaker 1: the people who laugh at Trump about thinking, gods, it
1:11:54
Speaker 1: could be some wonderful resort failed to appreciate that stability
1:11:58
Speaker 1: in that region will certainly bring investment. There's plenty. There
1:12:03
Speaker 1: are a wash in cash over there. The oil revenue
1:12:05
Speaker 1: still flows into the entire region. So yeah, it's a
1:12:09
Speaker 1: it will be a great option, but you need stability
1:12:11
Speaker 1: to get the investment. Nobody wants to touch a place
1:12:13
Speaker 1: with a ten foot poll because you're constantly surrounded by
1:12:16
Speaker 1: crazies that want to, you know, murder all the Israelis
1:12:18
Speaker 1: or of course blow things up, and I just it's
1:12:21
Speaker 1: an impossible situation right now. So the Abraham accordins. I
1:12:26
Speaker 1: think we're probably one of the greatest accomplishments of the
1:12:28
Speaker 1: Trump administration if you think about it, just getting those
1:12:32
Speaker 1: Arab countries to agree to work and play peacey with
1:12:35
Speaker 1: Israel after so many years. I mean, you and I
1:12:38
Speaker 1: have both been alive the whole time. There's never been
1:12:41
Speaker 1: peace in the Middle East, and it's always been discussed
1:12:43
Speaker 1: ad nauseum, one administration after another, piece in the Middle East,
1:12:46
Speaker 1: piece of the Middle East. I mean, who came closer
1:12:49
Speaker 1: to bringing that about than Donald Trump?
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Speaker 10: Oh, buddy and Brian. You remember Lebanon's Bay Route was
1:12:55
Speaker 10: called the Paris of the Middle East. Yeah, before hesbel
1:12:58
Speaker 10: moved in. Can I say a word about the young
1:13:01
Speaker 10: people in Iran and the lesson for our young people here.
1:13:06
Speaker 10: In nineteen seventy nine, during the Jimmy Carter presidency, the
1:13:10
Speaker 10: first iatola to lead Iran, Iatola Homoney, became a cult
1:13:16
Speaker 10: figure for college students and faculty both in and outside
1:13:20
Speaker 10: of Iran. They viewed the Shah as a product of
1:13:23
Speaker 10: Western imperialism and the Ayahtola as a great spiritual leader.
1:13:28
Speaker 10: Students and academics were largely responsible for toppling the Shah
1:13:33
Speaker 10: and bringing the Iyatola back to Iran from the outskirts
1:13:36
Speaker 10: of the real Paris. What followed was the repression of women,
1:13:41
Speaker 10: worldwide terror and proxy wars. By two thousand and nine,
1:13:45
Speaker 10: when Barack Obama took office, he refused to support hundreds
1:13:49
Speaker 10: of thousands of Iranian protesters, mostly young people, who realized
1:13:54
Speaker 10: how stupid they had been. Instead, Obama backed radical Muslims
1:13:59
Speaker 10: in Egypt during the so called Arab Spring, until Obama's
1:14:04
Speaker 10: Muslim brotherhood was kicked out by the Egyptian people. Now,
1:14:09
Speaker 10: Donald Trump is trying to reverse the disaster that followed
1:14:12
Speaker 10: Carter and Obama's inaction, young people in Iran realized their folly.
1:14:17
Speaker 10: What's tragic and dangerous is that most young people in
1:14:21
Speaker 10: America don't.
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Speaker 1: No, they don't, And I'm glad at least as we
1:14:26
Speaker 1: sit here today, there are a lot of people in
1:14:28
Speaker 1: Iran that are still alive to remember how it was
1:14:30
Speaker 1: with life under the Shah before the Ayatola took over.
1:14:33
Speaker 1: And in fact, the woman who used to cut my
1:14:35
Speaker 1: hair when I lived in Chicago was or probably still is.
1:14:38
Speaker 1: I'm sure she's still alive. We talked about how wonderful.
1:14:42
Speaker 2: It was.
1:14:42
Speaker 1: It was very western. Women would wear Western clothes if
1:14:45
Speaker 1: that was a good thing or bad thing. But in
1:14:47
Speaker 1: other words, they didn't have to cover their faces with
1:14:49
Speaker 1: the job, and they wouldn't get persecuted. They had rights,
1:14:52
Speaker 1: they could work, and she described it as a beautiful, modern,
1:14:56
Speaker 1: wonderful place, only to be supplanted by this outrageous theocracy
1:15:00
Speaker 1: that they live under now, where women, of course have
1:15:02
Speaker 1: no say in society. So the remnants of those people
1:15:07
Speaker 1: who recall it, I am certain, have some connection with
1:15:10
Speaker 1: the young people now who appreciate the oppression that they're
1:15:13
Speaker 1: living under. Maybe parents taught their children what it used
1:15:16
Speaker 1: to be like, and maybe that knowledge and information's taken hold.
1:15:21
Speaker 1: One can only pray that those young people that have
1:15:23
Speaker 1: wakened up to this reality and are out protesting in
1:15:26
Speaker 1: the streets will ultimately prevail. But wasn't it Trump the
1:15:29
Speaker 1: other day that said, you know, come what may, we're
1:15:31
Speaker 1: not going to be running the place. And if they
1:15:32
Speaker 1: elect someone who's as bad as the former Shaw or
1:15:35
Speaker 1: the former I had told it that we just killed,
1:15:37
Speaker 1: then that's their prerogative.
1:15:39
Speaker 10: I mean, public what people have elected in Spain, And
1:15:43
Speaker 10: could I just say brother, you need another haircut, and
1:15:47
Speaker 10: we need a new government in Iran. Maybe by next week,
1:15:51
Speaker 10: by the next time we talk, they'll be real big progress.
1:15:54
Speaker 1: Another haircut, I just got one on. I'm looking. I'm
1:16:01
Speaker 1: looking you remember Steve McQueen, his hair his That's kind
1:16:04
Speaker 1: of what I got going on right now. Jack, So
1:16:06
Speaker 1: kind of moving on for a couple of nights. I
1:16:08
Speaker 1: know you have it so anyway, I'm trying to clean
1:16:10
Speaker 1: up Jack anyway, Thanks man, I appreciate your commentary. As always,
1:16:15
Speaker 1: I'll look forward. I'm already looking forward to next Wednesday.
1:16:17
Speaker 1: Wednesday and another edition of The Big Picture. Best of
1:16:20
Speaker 1: health and love and you and your better half, Jack,
1:16:21
Speaker 1: we'll talk soon.
1:16:23
Speaker 7: You're too.
1:16:23
Speaker 1: Bye. Seven one right now, fifty five The Works Pizza
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Speaker 1: Company and Loveland got further Ado subbing in for Donovan
1:16:31
Speaker 1: and Neil for Americans for Prosperity and hey, no problem
1:16:34
Speaker 1: with that. Adam Miller with Concerned Veterans for Ohio to
1:16:37
Speaker 1: talk about military actions and I run Adam, it's a
1:16:39
Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on the program. Let me start
1:16:41
Speaker 1: by thanking for you, thanking you for your service to
1:16:43
Speaker 1: our country.
1:16:45
Speaker 5: Good morning, and thank you for having me.
1:16:47
Speaker 1: Got a busy day to day I see you starting
1:16:50
Speaker 1: now you're gonna be a Jack Underwood show. Later you're
1:16:52
Speaker 1: gonna be on the Windsor Report. I got the Windsor
1:16:55
Speaker 1: Report on on a weekly basis here on Fridays. So
1:16:59
Speaker 1: I'm glad you getting the word out real quick. Here
1:17:01
Speaker 1: an opportunity for you to explain to my listeners about
1:17:03
Speaker 1: your organization, Concerned Veterans for America HIH that chapter and
1:17:06
Speaker 1: what you do basically on a day to day basis
1:17:08
Speaker 1: before we dive on into the Iranian situation.
1:17:12
Speaker 5: Yeah, So, Concerned Veterans for America were a policy advocacy
1:17:16
Speaker 5: organization that focuses on issues that they not only impact veterans,
1:17:21
Speaker 5: but all Americans. You know that for America. Part of
1:17:24
Speaker 5: our name is kind of that guiding light. So the
1:17:26
Speaker 5: important work that we do from a legislative perspective, it
1:17:30
Speaker 5: impacts every American in a positive way. So we are
1:17:34
Speaker 5: a nonprofit, nonpartisan advocacy organization.
1:17:37
Speaker 1: Fair enough, and that's good news for my veteran friends
1:17:39
Speaker 1: and the listening audience. All Right, pivoting Over've been talking about,
1:17:42
Speaker 1: of course since Saturday, the unleashing of fury on the
1:17:46
Speaker 1: Iranians we've been I guess rather successful. I mean, most
1:17:49
Speaker 1: notably that we blew all of the leading command and
1:17:52
Speaker 1: control structure up in one fell swoop. I guess they
1:17:55
Speaker 1: didn't get the message that there's a thing called a
1:17:57
Speaker 1: zoom call my friend.
1:18:00
Speaker 6: Yeah.
1:18:01
Speaker 5: Well, first and foremost, you know, consermer veterans for America,
1:18:04
Speaker 5: where we're certainly praying for the safety and security of
1:18:06
Speaker 5: American service members that are deployed in harm's way, and
1:18:09
Speaker 5: we mourn the loss and injury of multiple members of
1:18:13
Speaker 5: the armed forces. And you know, the Iranian regime, it's
1:18:16
Speaker 5: a brutal regime, and the Iranian people they deserve the
1:18:20
Speaker 5: right to chart their own paths. But you know, we
1:18:23
Speaker 5: do believe at the end of the day that that
1:18:25
Speaker 5: Congress and the President should should debate these actions and
1:18:29
Speaker 5: you know, possibly hold a vote to authorize or oppose it.
1:18:33
Speaker 5: You know, the Constitution it does put the war war
1:18:35
Speaker 5: power making in the hands of Congress. While while we
1:18:39
Speaker 5: know that Congress hasn't declared war since nineteen forty two,
1:18:42
Speaker 5: we do think that the American people sure should have
1:18:45
Speaker 5: a seat at the table.
1:18:47
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm glad to hear that, although as
1:18:49
Speaker 1: I stare at you know, the War Powers Act and
1:18:52
Speaker 1: the ticking clock of sixty days. You know you need
1:18:55
Speaker 1: congressional actions. They need to do this. They need to
1:18:56
Speaker 1: do an authorization of use of military force, and they
1:18:58
Speaker 1: need a declaration of war. Otherwise, after sixty days, with
1:19:01
Speaker 1: maybe a thirty day extension, you have to end the
1:19:04
Speaker 1: military actions. You know, someone who served Adam, I guess,
1:19:08
Speaker 1: I wonder. I don't personally think. Here's my view of
1:19:10
Speaker 1: what's going to happen this week Thursday. There's going to
1:19:12
Speaker 1: be a vote and it probably won't pass. If it
1:19:14
Speaker 1: does pass by more than fifty percent, then of course
1:19:16
Speaker 1: Donald Trump has a veto, right, There's no way they
1:19:19
Speaker 1: got the votes to override the veto, which means status quo.
1:19:23
Speaker 1: The clock remains ticking and the sixty day window will
1:19:26
Speaker 1: soon be closing, resulting in the withdrawal of the American troops,
1:19:30
Speaker 1: whether or not it's the right time to do it.
1:19:33
Speaker 1: I mean, is that you're understanding Adam, and where do
1:19:35
Speaker 1: we go from there if that happens.
1:19:39
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think anybody is expecting President Trump to
1:19:43
Speaker 5: sign a War Powers resolution if it were to pass,
1:19:45
Speaker 5: but you know, to make it crystal clear, the president
1:19:48
Speaker 5: has every right to take action when there is a
1:19:51
Speaker 5: clear and imminent threat. But you know, we've had a
1:19:54
Speaker 5: long period of build up on this front, and both
1:19:56
Speaker 5: the President and Congress, you know, we believe that they've
1:19:59
Speaker 5: missed some opportunity to speak candidly with the American people
1:20:02
Speaker 5: about as what is actually going on in the region
1:20:05
Speaker 5: and the risks that are involved. And as you as
1:20:08
Speaker 5: you said, I'm a post nine to eleven global war
1:20:10
Speaker 5: on terrorism. Better in myself served two deployments to the region,
1:20:15
Speaker 5: and you know, during my time, you know that we
1:20:19
Speaker 5: would consider the operation record Freedom and endless war. There
1:20:22
Speaker 5: wasn't clear congressional oversight, and there was a lack of
1:20:25
Speaker 5: clarity in duration, and you know, a lack of a
1:20:29
Speaker 5: clear end state. So you know, with our men and
1:20:31
Speaker 5: women on the ground, we definitely think that there needs
1:20:34
Speaker 5: to be a clear mission, a clear end state communicated
1:20:36
Speaker 5: to the American people.
1:20:37
Speaker 1: So in when you were serving in combat and in
1:20:40
Speaker 1: your time in the service, were these types you mentioned
1:20:42
Speaker 1: the lack of clarity while you were dealing with that,
1:20:45
Speaker 1: is that something that was regularly discussed among the frontline troops.
1:20:48
Speaker 1: You know, none of your friends who were also serving
1:20:50
Speaker 1: at the time.
1:20:53
Speaker 5: Most definitely because because the mission and our operations had
1:20:57
Speaker 5: changed on so many different fronts throughout the Middle East.
1:20:59
Speaker 5: Whether you know, I was deployed to southern Lebanon, I
1:21:02
Speaker 5: was deployed to to the Horn of Africa, I was
1:21:06
Speaker 5: deployed to western Iraq. So there was a lot of
1:21:09
Speaker 5: questions around, you know, what our deployments actually looked like,
1:21:12
Speaker 5: but also the impact of those deployments on our nation
1:21:15
Speaker 5: service members. I mean, the last time I was on
1:21:17
Speaker 5: your show, well we had talked at length about veterans
1:21:20
Speaker 5: healthcare and the issues of you know, two decades of
1:21:22
Speaker 5: sustained combat has on veterans' mental health and just their
1:21:27
Speaker 5: overall health care. So there's a lot of variables at
1:21:29
Speaker 5: play here when we get engaged in these very serious conflicts.
1:21:33
Speaker 1: You know, I'm actually so pleased that you brought that up,
1:21:35
Speaker 1: because it was festering in the back of my mind.
1:21:37
Speaker 1: I have a good friend who's a career submariner, and
1:21:42
Speaker 1: I call him Cribage Mike. Mike's a great guy, and
1:21:44
Speaker 1: he mentioned that that tension that those men and women
1:21:47
Speaker 1: serving on the Navy, serving in the Navy or anyplace
1:21:50
Speaker 1: else in combat sustained you know, basically twenty four to
1:21:55
Speaker 1: sevens attention, worry, and concern. Some missile might come out
1:21:58
Speaker 1: of nowhere and blow the boat up or blow the
1:22:01
Speaker 1: sub up, or you know, a bomb I could drop
1:22:03
Speaker 1: in your camp where you're serving in one of the
1:22:06
Speaker 1: various bases over there. You experienced that, I I that
1:22:10
Speaker 1: that is I guess isn't that the source and genesis
1:22:14
Speaker 1: of what we call post traumatic stress? Living under that
1:22:16
Speaker 1: constant adrenaline and worry and fear, and then once your
1:22:20
Speaker 1: return home from service, you can't turn that off.
1:22:25
Speaker 5: Sure, And in America's war fighters, you know, they're they're
1:22:28
Speaker 5: they're they're trained well and and they're up to the challenge.
1:22:31
Speaker 5: But you know, some of these experiences that that we
1:22:33
Speaker 5: face overseas, they do have you know, physical and mental impacts,
1:22:38
Speaker 5: and we have to weigh those types of variables when
1:22:40
Speaker 5: when we when we go and start conflicts like this.
1:22:43
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously, if if we look at you know,
1:22:45
Speaker 5: what the the Iranian regime is doing now, I mean
1:22:48
Speaker 5: they're targeting civilians. Yeah, you know, our partners in the region,
1:22:51
Speaker 5: like UAE, they're clearly not prepared for this conflict. And
1:22:56
Speaker 5: you know there's from the latest numbers the State Department
1:22:58
Speaker 5: that says that there's you know, around a million Americans
1:23:01
Speaker 5: that are that are in the region with tens of
1:23:03
Speaker 5: thousands that are trying to get out. So it's not
1:23:05
Speaker 5: just really a military perspective, it is a civilian perspective,
1:23:09
Speaker 5: and how the Iranian regeam is targeting civilians at will.
1:23:13
Speaker 1: Well, I would put you on this on the spot here,
1:23:15
Speaker 1: Adam Miller from Concerned Veterans for America, Ohio. Where do
1:23:20
Speaker 1: you see this going? I mean, you know what, what
1:23:22
Speaker 1: does Adam Obviously Adam Miller wants a success in the region,
1:23:25
Speaker 1: perhaps stability in the reason we all can pray for that.
1:23:27
Speaker 1: But where do you see this specific conflict going? Given
1:23:30
Speaker 1: the war powers, you know, vote perhaps it's happening this week,
1:23:34
Speaker 1: and the disagreement among members of Congress whether or not
1:23:37
Speaker 1: Donald Trump should even be there. We have that whole
1:23:39
Speaker 1: Trump rangent syndrome. We got a factor into the equation
1:23:42
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of Democrats would feel otherwise
1:23:44
Speaker 1: if it wasn't Donald Trump running the country. But where
1:23:47
Speaker 1: do you see it going, Adam?
1:23:50
Speaker 5: Well, there's still a lot of unknowns, and you know,
1:23:52
Speaker 5: I would kind of go back to you know, as
1:23:54
Speaker 5: we talk about this debate, is you know President Obama,
1:23:56
Speaker 5: you know, he had you know, authorized operations and Libya
1:24:00
Speaker 5: for for seven months, and operations in Syria without congressional approval.
1:24:03
Speaker 5: So there is a little bit of a history here.
1:24:06
Speaker 5: But I would say, you know, I don't I don't
1:24:07
Speaker 5: think anybody is crying over you know, the regime or
1:24:10
Speaker 5: at least some of the heads of the regime being
1:24:12
Speaker 5: you know, dismantled at this point. But again there's still
1:24:15
Speaker 5: a lot of information coming out and kind of putting
1:24:18
Speaker 5: all the pieces together, and we and we really don't
1:24:20
Speaker 5: have a lot of clarity yet. But I guess my
1:24:23
Speaker 5: message to to your listeners and to everyone here is,
1:24:27
Speaker 5: you know, there's there's a lot of issues here in
1:24:29
Speaker 5: the United States, and we we've seen what what happens
1:24:32
Speaker 5: when when these conflicts you know, happen with you know,
1:24:36
Speaker 5: just looking at Opek and look at some of the
1:24:38
Speaker 5: some of the oil prices, and that's again another example
1:24:41
Speaker 5: of why we need to unleash American energy here at home.
1:24:44
Speaker 5: You know, there there is an affordability crisis that many
1:24:46
Speaker 5: Americans are facing, and you know, being less reliant on
1:24:50
Speaker 5: regions like the Middle East from from an energy perspective,
1:24:54
Speaker 5: I think is important and probably is top of mind
1:24:56
Speaker 5: for a lot of Americans who are struggling financially that question.
1:25:00
Speaker 1: That's why Donald Trump's all the above strategy with regard
1:25:03
Speaker 1: to energy may save us from well the global warming
1:25:07
Speaker 1: alarmist religion that's out there that basically was a masculating
1:25:10
Speaker 1: the United States ability to be independent and have sufficient energy.
1:25:14
Speaker 1: Excellent point, Adam Miller. Adam Miller from Concerned Veterans for
1:25:17
Speaker 1: America Before we park copany Adam, anything else you want
1:25:20
Speaker 1: to interject here before we separate this morning.
1:25:24
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say, you know, we've we've seen a
1:25:26
Speaker 5: lot of kind of tactical wins on this front, and
1:25:30
Speaker 5: I would say, you know, while while those are important,
1:25:32
Speaker 5: they don't automatically translate into a clear strategy for the
1:25:36
Speaker 5: American people. So we do depend on our representatives in
1:25:40
Speaker 5: Congress to provide that clarity or to make the case
1:25:44
Speaker 5: to the American people of why, you know, our treasure
1:25:48
Speaker 5: and our resources and our US troops should should be
1:25:51
Speaker 5: deployed onto these forward areas. So it's a continuing conversation.
1:25:55
Speaker 5: You know, we have over forty thousand US troops in
1:25:57
Speaker 5: the region, and we need to make sure sure that
1:26:00
Speaker 5: that their safety and security is first and foremost first.
1:26:03
Speaker 5: And obviously continue praying for.
1:26:05
Speaker 1: Those that we have lost, absolutely start to finish, I
1:26:08
Speaker 1: won't stop that. I will continue my prayers for them.
1:26:10
Speaker 1: And also, let's face it, the casualties of war quite
1:26:14
Speaker 1: often involve a bunch of innocent civilians and we all
1:26:16
Speaker 1: can pray for them as well and hope they stay
1:26:18
Speaker 1: out of harm's way. Station. If you have KCD talk station,
1:26:26
Speaker 1: you know me. I love helping my American veteran friends,
1:26:28
Speaker 1: and I know somebody that even more so loved help
1:26:30
Speaker 1: was American American veteran friends. Fellow veteran Steve Belzow in
1:26:34
Speaker 1: studio from the Klamat County Veteran Services Commission. Steve again
1:26:38
Speaker 1: in studio. I appreciate you coming in and I appreciate
1:26:40
Speaker 1: what you and the Veteran Services Commissioner doing for the
1:26:43
Speaker 1: American veterans. Good to have you back in the studio.
1:26:45
Speaker 11: Brian's good to be back with you always educating the masses.
1:26:49
Speaker 1: So thanks for what you do and I appreciate your
1:26:51
Speaker 1: notes in Oh shocking this complexity of filling the or
1:26:55
Speaker 1: filing VA claims. You mean the federal government makes things complex?
1:27:00
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that never happens.
1:27:01
Speaker 11: Can you imagine, geez? I mean, we have workers compensation
1:27:07
Speaker 11: insurance on every business that's out there, but yet the
1:27:10
Speaker 11: federal government can sends you away without even a token
1:27:15
Speaker 11: of responsibility for your injuries incurred while serving them.
1:27:19
Speaker 1: Well, that's why we have the Claimont County Veteran Services
1:27:22
Speaker 1: and the other Veteran service organizations to help along with these.
1:27:25
Speaker 1: So how does filing acclaim with the Clamart County Veteran
1:27:27
Speaker 1: Service Office differ from others?
1:27:30
Speaker 11: The uniqueness about our not just Clermont but County Veteran
1:27:34
Speaker 11: Service officers.
1:27:36
Speaker 1: You're going to give love to the other ones out
1:27:37
Speaker 1: of the world.
1:27:38
Speaker 11: He you know what, we're serving veterans, right, So we
1:27:42
Speaker 11: have large veteran service organizations, the VFW Veterans of Foreign
1:27:46
Speaker 11: Wars h Vietnam Veterans America pow RIGHT. So we have
1:27:51
Speaker 11: these organizations that are federally mandated to file on behalf
1:27:55
Speaker 11: of veterans in that process. In the in the umbrella
1:27:59
Speaker 11: of applying, they don't have the depth to see into
1:28:05
Speaker 11: the VA they can apply on your behalf. They know
1:28:07
Speaker 11: the forms to apply. They're know the process to apply.
1:28:10
Speaker 11: What's different about a County Veteran Service Office is because
1:28:13
Speaker 11: of the accreditations they receive. They can look into the
1:28:17
Speaker 11: VA records to see where you've been, what you have
1:28:21
Speaker 11: filed for, how it's been filed for you, and then
1:28:25
Speaker 11: move it forward. Does it need to go into appeal
1:28:27
Speaker 11: instead of doing the same form again thinking you're changing
1:28:31
Speaker 11: small dog to puppy and this time it's going to
1:28:33
Speaker 11: get through. No, it should have been in an additional
1:28:35
Speaker 11: form to be filed in accordance with the claim you're
1:28:38
Speaker 11: filing for.
1:28:39
Speaker 1: See, this is something you know. I of course have
1:28:41
Speaker 1: no idea what you're talking about. That's why we have you,
1:28:45
Speaker 1: That's why the veterans tell you. You get this little
1:28:48
Speaker 1: bureaucratic layer all sorted out. You know what needs to
1:28:50
Speaker 1: be done?
1:28:50
Speaker 11: Absolutely right?
1:28:51
Speaker 1: All right, Since we're up to a break, we're going
1:28:52
Speaker 1: to continue this process because you know, we need to
1:28:54
Speaker 1: know you know, what does it cost money file acclaim?
1:28:57
Speaker 1: How to veterans See the talk station at fifty five
1:29:01
Speaker 1: KCD Talk station Brian Thomas with Steve Belso, County County
1:29:04
Speaker 1: Veteran Services Commission. I am I am reeling over this reality.
1:29:09
Speaker 1: I mean you brought me some notes and the idea
1:29:11
Speaker 1: that I'm staring at that a veteran could be charged
1:29:16
Speaker 1: to have a claim process for his VA benefit, his
1:29:19
Speaker 1: or her VA benefit. Steve, I am I understanding that right.
1:29:22
Speaker 11: It is a one it's filing claims right, So.
1:29:27
Speaker 1: What just just walk through step I said, how a
1:29:30
Speaker 1: veteran might be charged under this considering as you point
1:29:33
Speaker 1: out it, there is no charge in connection with final acclaim.
1:29:37
Speaker 11: That's rrect.
1:29:37
Speaker 1: So if you spring from that proposition, how a mice
1:29:39
Speaker 1: looking at something that says the veterans may be charged.
1:29:43
Speaker 11: It's because veterans don't know. Oh Via do Gov has
1:29:47
Speaker 11: a way that you can file on your own behalf
1:29:49
Speaker 11: on the website when you established your website free now
1:29:52
Speaker 11: convoluted but free Veteran service officers. Every county in Ohio
1:29:57
Speaker 11: has a Veteran Service office who has been trained up
1:30:00
Speaker 11: to six time continuing education every year credits. They have
1:30:03
Speaker 11: to receive FIUL on your behalf for free free. Not
1:30:07
Speaker 11: only that, know how to obtain your DD two fourteen.
1:30:09
Speaker 11: If you don't have it, we'll give your website to
1:30:11
Speaker 11: get it to have it right for free. We will
1:30:14
Speaker 11: put it on our county records for you for free.
1:30:16
Speaker 11: As a matter of fact, we will give you a
1:30:18
Speaker 11: free Veterans ID card instead of carrying your DD two
1:30:21
Speaker 11: fourteen that you can prove you're a veteran. And yet
1:30:25
Speaker 11: we have these these companies making business nature of bores
1:30:29
Speaker 11: a vacuum, and don't businesses love an open way to
1:30:32
Speaker 11: move into grab some capital.
1:30:34
Speaker 1: Here, So a veteran who's not aware of the Veterans
1:30:36
Speaker 1: Service office in their county that they would get all
1:30:39
Speaker 1: this for free. It's kind of a wash in this
1:30:41
Speaker 1: weird sea of convoluted regulations. Ergo, some company pops up
1:30:46
Speaker 1: and says, hi, we're here to help you out, for
1:30:49
Speaker 1: which they charge money.
1:30:50
Speaker 11: Absolutely, Or what if you didn't supply enough corroborating evidence
1:30:58
Speaker 11: to show the it's occurred on active duty and it's
1:31:01
Speaker 11: still affecting you today and you were denied, Well, now
1:31:05
Speaker 11: there's an appeals process you.
1:31:07
Speaker 1: Would go through this determination disability.
1:31:11
Speaker 11: Absolutely, So the VEDRA says, well, that's ridiculous. I'm going
1:31:14
Speaker 11: to go hire a lawyer. Now what happens is there
1:31:17
Speaker 11: are individuals out there who are accredited with doing this,
1:31:21
Speaker 11: and what they will do is they're not allowed to
1:31:26
Speaker 11: charge you potentially on the front side House Bill seven
1:31:30
Speaker 11: o eight. Sitting on the House floor now is a
1:31:33
Speaker 11: measure to start to corral some of this. But listen
1:31:37
Speaker 11: to the final end of this. It is compensation must
1:31:41
Speaker 11: be contingent on an increase in awarded benefits and is
1:31:46
Speaker 11: capped at five times the monthly increase achieved. So if
1:31:53
Speaker 11: I'm Johnny Bannatt's and I've never received a compensation for
1:31:57
Speaker 11: my disabilities from active duty, and all of a sudden,
1:32:00
Speaker 11: the VA says, you know what, Yes, we're gonna call
1:32:03
Speaker 11: you fifty percent disabled based on your disabilities, and we're
1:32:06
Speaker 11: gonna do a retroactive pay to nineteen eighty nineteen seventy five.
1:32:11
Speaker 11: I mean, there's times we see retroactive pay coming in
1:32:14
Speaker 11: at hundreds of thousands of dollars because of these injuries.
1:32:18
Speaker 1: Agent orton exposure, exposure fill in the blank, absolutely right.
1:32:24
Speaker 11: Awarded benefits is capped at five times the monthly increase achieved,
1:32:30
Speaker 11: five times fivefold. How long is that veteran going to
1:32:34
Speaker 11: pay before he ever he or she ever receives their benefit.
1:32:39
Speaker 11: Because the filing individual outside of a veteran service organization
1:32:45
Speaker 11: or the commission in the county is able to charge back,
1:32:49
Speaker 11: and that money comes direct from the federal government to
1:32:52
Speaker 11: that organization before it comes to the veteran.
1:32:56
Speaker 1: So they get their slice of the take first and
1:32:59
Speaker 1: the veteran gets what's left over until it's paid. And
1:33:02
Speaker 1: this is the proposed legislation.
1:33:04
Speaker 11: This is putting a cap on what is happening. Oh,
1:33:07
Speaker 11: I see a cap So right now, there was a
1:33:10
Speaker 11: veteran came up from Georgia to come see my office.
1:33:13
Speaker 11: It turns out he had an individual out in the
1:33:17
Speaker 11: some county in Georgia who had a certification probably a
1:33:20
Speaker 11: national certification to file benefits and they have to have
1:33:24
Speaker 11: a power of attorney to file on your behalf. But
1:33:26
Speaker 11: what happens is is they hold on to that power
1:33:29
Speaker 11: of attorney and won't release it until they received their funds.
1:33:35
Speaker 11: So if there's other issues you need to file for,
1:33:38
Speaker 11: you have to go back to that individual to keep
1:33:41
Speaker 11: filing or wait until they're paid that they'll release the
1:33:45
Speaker 11: power of attorney that a county service officer then can
1:33:47
Speaker 11: take your file. It's an extortion, it apps, Oh my gosh,
1:33:51
Speaker 11: it is. Yes.
1:33:52
Speaker 1: I asked you off air if there were attorney attorneys
1:33:55
Speaker 1: general or Attorney General in the state of hiring to
1:33:57
Speaker 1: make looking at this because it sounds to me nefarious.
1:34:00
Speaker 1: I don't want to say out loud criminal, even though
1:34:02
Speaker 1: he just did, but you know, not knowing enough about
1:34:05
Speaker 1: this particular scenario, it sounds like it could be criminal.
1:34:07
Speaker 11: Well, and I think that's why they're putting Ohio House
1:34:10
Speaker 11: Bill seven of eight on the floor.
1:34:12
Speaker 1: And it's least to.
1:34:14
Speaker 11: Draw this in somewhat, right, So you can't have excessive
1:34:19
Speaker 11: fees anymore, even though five times the allotted benefit I
1:34:22
Speaker 11: still consider excessive. Protecting veterans from deceptive or exploitive practices, right,
1:34:29
Speaker 11: So you get a letter in the mail, and how
1:34:31
Speaker 11: many times do they come, like car insurance, Hey, this
1:34:34
Speaker 11: is the last time we're going to connect you. Right,
1:34:36
Speaker 11: it's a marketing thing.
1:34:38
Speaker 1: Send out to veterans who don't know the complexities of
1:34:40
Speaker 1: what they're dealing with. So moving away from this nonsense
1:34:44
Speaker 1: that's going on out there, and God love the American
1:34:46
Speaker 1: veteran that's why you're there, that Clairemont County Veteran Services.
1:34:50
Speaker 1: You understand all this. You can steer them away from
1:34:52
Speaker 1: the potentially unlawful activity that's going on out there. That's
1:34:56
Speaker 1: why I perceive it right and send them down the
1:34:58
Speaker 1: path with free absolutely right.
1:35:01
Speaker 11: Now there are some I want my money. I want
1:35:04
Speaker 11: my money now, they're going to elect these these routes.
1:35:08
Speaker 1: It is not.
1:35:11
Speaker 11: It is not to your benefit just because of you believe.
1:35:15
Speaker 11: It's speed to the end. It's about doing it right
1:35:19
Speaker 11: and assuring it's established and then once we have that
1:35:23
Speaker 11: core issue identified benefited, now we can work on tertiary
1:35:28
Speaker 11: issues that may stem from that. But many do it
1:35:31
Speaker 11: in an opposite direction, and the VA just keeps denying
1:35:34
Speaker 11: because it's not the core issue. There's a methodology to
1:35:37
Speaker 11: the schematic.
1:35:38
Speaker 1: Of this thing, and you're trained over and over and
1:35:41
Speaker 1: over again, correct annual training and upgrade training and you know,
1:35:45
Speaker 1: like continuing legal education, which I have to take. That's
1:35:48
Speaker 1: the Claremont County Veteran Services and the other Veteran Services
1:35:51
Speaker 1: commissions in each county. Please veterans utilize and rely on
1:35:54
Speaker 1: these resources. They're there for you. They're going to keep
1:35:57
Speaker 1: you out of these problems in troubles and may take
1:35:59
Speaker 1: a little time, but at least it's better than trying
1:36:01
Speaker 1: to coff on your own.
1:36:02
Speaker 11: Oh my word, the loss of revenue to support your
1:36:06
Speaker 11: family to support your issue right. All this is off
1:36:09
Speaker 11: to offset that which you're abated in life because of
1:36:13
Speaker 11: your service on active duty.
1:36:15
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Dee, for your ongoing commitment to
1:36:17
Speaker 1: the American veteran and for your prior service to our country.
1:36:19
Speaker 1: Appreciate what you and all the folks at Claremont County
1:36:21
Speaker 1: Veteran Service Commissioner are doing. I'll look forward to having
1:36:24
Speaker 1: you back and keep spreading the information so my veterans
1:36:26
Speaker 1: can sta out of trouble and get that well oiled
1:36:29
Speaker 1: machine that you provide working for them right, including transportation
1:36:33
Speaker 1: to their medical appointments. Take care of my friend. It's
1:36:37
Speaker 1: always a pleasure having you here. Stick around, folks. F
1:36:39
Speaker 1: OP President Ken Kober returns to the program after the
1:36:42
Speaker 1: top of the hour sah O six fifty five k
1:36:47
Speaker 1: r C the talk station Brian Thomas switching around, a
1:36:49
Speaker 1: very happy Wednesday and another reminder. We're gonna be a
1:36:51
Speaker 1: listener to launch at Works Pizza Company in downtown lovel
1:36:54
Speaker 1: Of today about eleven thirty ish. If you can make
1:36:56
Speaker 1: I'd love to see you and I love handing on
1:36:58
Speaker 1: the fifty five KRC morning shoot. Timing is everything. That's
1:37:00
Speaker 1: why we have Ken Coober, the FOP president representing the
1:37:03
Speaker 1: Sin Sinnt Police Department union, back on the program because
1:37:06
Speaker 1: apparently we have something called the revolving door of justice
1:37:09
Speaker 1: in Hamilton County. Ken Kober, welcome back. Have you ever
1:37:11
Speaker 1: heard of that?
1:37:13
Speaker 7: Good morning Brian yet. Thanks forming No, I've heard of that.
1:37:15
Speaker 7: I've witnessed it.
1:37:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you have. And sort of joking as
1:37:18
Speaker 1: a start, but let's review what we're talking about here.
1:37:22
Speaker 1: We got the shooting issue that happened at Riverfront Live,
1:37:26
Speaker 1: which is a music venue. Franique Cobb, who's twenty four,
1:37:30
Speaker 1: and Derek Long twenty nine, apparently had a beef with
1:37:34
Speaker 1: each other and thought it was appropriate in a crowded
1:37:37
Speaker 1: room filled with between five hundred and nine hundred people.
1:37:41
Speaker 1: The numbers vary from wherever you read about it, they
1:37:43
Speaker 1: just decided to open fire. Nine people got shot. This
1:37:46
Speaker 1: made national headlines and of course there's charges in Hamilton County.
1:37:50
Speaker 1: But apparently these people don't represent much of a threat
1:37:53
Speaker 1: to society because when they were in front of a judge,
1:37:55
Speaker 1: at least the one that was in front of a
1:37:57
Speaker 1: jobb Frenique Cobb, who is known to law enforcement and
1:38:00
Speaker 1: carrying a firearm and shooting with it. He was under
1:38:03
Speaker 1: a disability, which means he's had prior involvement in the
1:38:05
Speaker 1: justice system with a crime that probably was a felony.
1:38:08
Speaker 1: He wasn't allowed lawfully to even carry a firearm. He
1:38:11
Speaker 1: ignored that he broke the law. So but being in
1:38:14
Speaker 1: front of a judge in Hamilton County, the judge issued
1:38:19
Speaker 1: a fifty thousand dollars bond. Fifty thousand dollars bond. Now,
1:38:23
Speaker 1: the prosecutors asked for high bond. They could have requested
1:38:25
Speaker 1: no bond. In other words, I'm sorry, he represents a
1:38:27
Speaker 1: danger to society. You can't let him out. But for
1:38:30
Speaker 1: whatever reason, they asked for high bond and the judge said, nah,
1:38:33
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars. Even Mayor Aftab Paraval has now come
1:38:36
Speaker 1: out saying he's appalled at that ken he found criminal justice.
1:38:41
Speaker 1: Aftab per ofval I thought he was all about woke,
1:38:43
Speaker 1: revolving door justice in Hamilton County. Let's what's your take
1:38:46
Speaker 1: on all this.
1:38:48
Speaker 12: I could say, first of all, these two guys, neither
1:38:50
Speaker 12: one of them have any part of being in society.
1:38:53
Speaker 12: To do something like this is just absolutely unthinkable. Like
1:38:55
Speaker 12: Forrinny Cobb. He just got out of prison in.
1:38:57
Speaker 7: December on a gun charge. Here we are two months later.
1:39:01
Speaker 7: We need more laws, yeah, exactly what. We need more
1:39:04
Speaker 7: laws or we need laws to be enforced.
1:39:06
Speaker 12: And thank thankfully we had the ATF and you know
1:39:10
Speaker 12: the Southern Ohio District Attorney Dominic Jerrasi that stepped in
1:39:14
Speaker 12: and said, we know what's going to happen here in
1:39:15
Speaker 12: Hamilton County. So before they were able to make a bond,
1:39:18
Speaker 12: they signed federal charges on them. Those federal charges are
1:39:21
Speaker 12: going to stick and both of these guys are going
1:39:23
Speaker 12: to end up in the federal prison system for a
1:39:25
Speaker 12: very long time, where we know that they would get
1:39:27
Speaker 12: you know, probation in a book report if they were
1:39:30
Speaker 12: here in local charges.
1:39:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what I wanted to ask you about,
1:39:33
Speaker 1: because they have been charged with illegally possessing a firearm
1:39:36
Speaker 1: or ammunition as a convicted felon, which is like possessing
1:39:40
Speaker 1: weapons with the disability that in and of itself is
1:39:41
Speaker 1: a crime. And from what I understand, each charge allows
1:39:46
Speaker 1: them to face up to fifteen years in prison. So
1:39:49
Speaker 1: this is big boy time here. But let me ask
1:39:51
Speaker 1: you this, how unusual it is in a case if
1:39:53
Speaker 1: there was a comparable case. How unusual it is it
1:39:56
Speaker 1: for the federal for federal involvement, for the souther in
1:40:00
Speaker 1: District of Ohio Attorney US attorney to get involved and
1:40:03
Speaker 1: have federal charges filed against someone.
1:40:07
Speaker 7: It's not terribly unusual.
1:40:10
Speaker 12: It doesn't happen a ton, but I can tell you
1:40:12
Speaker 12: right now it's going to happen more and more and more.
1:40:15
Speaker 12: You know, Dominic when he got a pointed to this position,
1:40:18
Speaker 12: he made it very clear that if the local courts
1:40:21
Speaker 12: and the local prosecutor's office, local judges don't want to
1:40:24
Speaker 12: do their job to protect Hamilton County, then he and
1:40:27
Speaker 12: his team will step in and they will do it.
1:40:29
Speaker 12: And he's showing exactly that, And I'd venture to guess
1:40:32
Speaker 12: that you're going to see a lot more of this
1:40:34
Speaker 12: in the future, especially with those that have long criminal
1:40:38
Speaker 12: histories involving violence and guns. The easiest way is to
1:40:42
Speaker 12: just take them federal and be done with it, because
1:40:44
Speaker 12: we know that the federal court doesn't mess around, nor
1:40:47
Speaker 12: do the prosecutors the judges, and unfortunately we just don't
1:40:50
Speaker 12: have that in Hamilton County. So thankfully we have some
1:40:52
Speaker 12: Feds that are willing to step up and do it well.
1:40:55
Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine, who I know you're familiar with and
1:40:57
Speaker 1: as the inside scoop and skinny on a lot. She
1:40:59
Speaker 1: wrote at length about the reality of these two men,
1:41:02
Speaker 1: their involvement with the court system, and she went through
1:41:05
Speaker 1: their records in glorious detail. These are not great guys
1:41:08
Speaker 1: at all. Of course, both of them were prohibited from
1:41:10
Speaker 1: carrying and owning a firearm, and Afteb Purval had Today
1:41:14
Speaker 1: it was made aware that bond has been issued for
1:41:16
Speaker 1: one of the two suspects arrested in connection to Sunday
1:41:18
Speaker 1: morning's mass casualty shooting. Here's the sailing part. The decision
1:41:22
Speaker 1: to allow for the release of the accused is problematic
1:41:24
Speaker 1: and extremely concerning, and I stand in opposition. This is
1:41:28
Speaker 1: a community safety issue. The accused, after such a horrific
1:41:31
Speaker 1: event involving so many victims, should not be on the
1:41:33
Speaker 1: streets during the court process. Fine, that sounds like something
1:41:35
Speaker 1: you or I might say. But according to Signal ninety nine,
1:41:38
Speaker 1: before he became mayor, while serving as the Hamilton County
1:41:41
Speaker 1: Clerk of Courts, he had a meeting with Democratic judges
1:41:46
Speaker 1: and had something to say to them, embrace the low
1:41:49
Speaker 1: bail slash, no bail and soft sentencing philosophy or face
1:41:53
Speaker 1: being primaried. Signal ninety nine said at the time, one
1:41:56
Speaker 1: judge stood up and said, hey, then primary me, because
1:41:59
Speaker 1: no one's going to tell me how to run my courtrooms.
1:42:01
Speaker 1: This is something that the mayor actually wanted. This soft
1:42:04
Speaker 1: on crime, low bond, no bond nonsense.
1:42:06
Speaker 7: Ken, Well, we've seen it time after time.
1:42:09
Speaker 12: I've asked the mayor myself, you know, every time something
1:42:12
Speaker 12: like this happens, when are you going to come out
1:42:15
Speaker 12: and speak about these judges that are endangering Hamilton County?
1:42:19
Speaker 7: Until yesterday, he's just refused to do it. So I
1:42:22
Speaker 7: don't know. Maybe maybe there's a change of heart. I
1:42:26
Speaker 7: doubt it, but we'll see.
1:42:27
Speaker 3: It.
1:42:28
Speaker 12: Certainly was a step in the right direction to see
1:42:29
Speaker 12: the mayor of the city actually come out and say something.
1:42:32
Speaker 12: Whether it was it was you know, completely from the
1:42:35
Speaker 12: hard or not it was, it was nice to actually
1:42:38
Speaker 12: see a city leader come out and recognize that the
1:42:41
Speaker 12: court system is the problem in this situation.
1:42:43
Speaker 1: Well, it clearly is. And question is whether the judges
1:42:46
Speaker 1: will heed his seemingly changed attitude. I guess he's going
1:42:50
Speaker 1: to have to get iris Rowley's consent to actually move
1:42:52
Speaker 1: forward with a new way.
1:42:53
Speaker 7: Ken, Yeah, I don't know. Maybe maybe he got it already.
1:42:56
Speaker 12: I don't know's I'm sure that was a closed door meeting,
1:42:59
Speaker 12: probably done an execut.
1:43:00
Speaker 1: Session perhaps, so well. Glad to see the FEDS are involved,
1:43:03
Speaker 1: and I guess that's maybe a warning shot over the
1:43:05
Speaker 1: battle the Hamlin County Prosecutor's office. But we'll wait to
1:43:09
Speaker 1: see on that, Ken Cober, do you have any new
1:43:11
Speaker 1: information about Police Chief Thiji? This this is truly bizarre,
1:43:14
Speaker 1: the whole idea behind Police Chief Thiji being placed on
1:43:17
Speaker 1: administrative leave. And you know, my listeners can say what
1:43:19
Speaker 1: they want about Thigi, but at the time they placed
1:43:21
Speaker 1: her on administrative leave, they didn't articulate a single syllable
1:43:25
Speaker 1: of reason why she needed to be placed on administrative leave.
1:43:28
Speaker 1: They didn't point specific, you know, a misconduct or dereliction
1:43:32
Speaker 1: of duty, whatever. And we know there's probably going to
1:43:35
Speaker 1: be a lawsuit on that one, so they hired a
1:43:38
Speaker 1: law firm to investigate it, I guess retroactively. So we
1:43:42
Speaker 1: penalize her and then we hire a law firm to
1:43:44
Speaker 1: find something to hang our hat on to justify that.
1:43:47
Speaker 1: And that's That's how I understand the scenario right now.
1:43:50
Speaker 1: And they extended that law firm's investigation now twice because
1:43:54
Speaker 1: I guess they couldn't find anything. Do you know anything
1:43:57
Speaker 1: else that's going on behind the scenes on that or
1:43:59
Speaker 1: do I have my is my understanding of the facts
1:44:01
Speaker 1: on that? Correct sir, No, you're right, and they keep.
1:44:04
Speaker 12: On extending it because there's nothing there. I mean, you
1:44:08
Speaker 12: look at this woman's impeccable service record, and there's nothing there.
1:44:13
Speaker 5: You know.
1:44:13
Speaker 7: The one thing that just.
1:44:14
Speaker 12: Stands out is the last press conference she did before
1:44:17
Speaker 12: she was put on administrative leave, and like the last
1:44:19
Speaker 12: couple of sentences where she talked about how cops are
1:44:22
Speaker 12: gonna go out, they're going to go and enforce low
1:44:25
Speaker 12: level nuisance crimes, quality of life crimes, because we've got
1:44:29
Speaker 12: to protect this community.
1:44:30
Speaker 7: And all of a sudden was two days.
1:44:32
Speaker 12: Later, she's being told to come home from out west
1:44:35
Speaker 12: because she's gonna be put on administrative leave. And like
1:44:37
Speaker 12: I said, this whole last but four or five months,
1:44:40
Speaker 12: you know, they've been investigating, and we're gonna extend this further.
1:44:43
Speaker 12: We're gonna it could because there's absolutely nothing there. And
1:44:45
Speaker 12: I think city council and the mayor and city manager
1:44:48
Speaker 12: scratching their head, going, well, we hired these people. There's
1:44:52
Speaker 12: nothing here. If we fire her, she's gonna sue us,
1:44:55
Speaker 12: and we're gonna risk millions and millions again.
1:44:58
Speaker 7: So what do we do? What do we do?
1:45:00
Speaker 12: Well, you know, we're just gonna punt. We'll just keep
1:45:02
Speaker 12: on kicking this can down the road. You know, the
1:45:03
Speaker 12: longer it goes on, maybe the public will forget about it.
1:45:06
Speaker 12: I tell you, the public's not going to forget about it,
1:45:08
Speaker 12: nor is the Fraternal Order of Police and Kobert.
1:45:10
Speaker 1: We made national headlines with this incident. I guess Mayor
1:45:13
Speaker 1: Feldy had to stand up and say something, recognized that
1:45:16
Speaker 1: the whole country's focus might be on him.
1:45:19
Speaker 12: Yeah, well that's that's the reality of this is. It's
1:45:24
Speaker 12: just nonsense and it's not going to go It's not
1:45:27
Speaker 12: going to bode well for the city.
1:45:29
Speaker 7: However, this comes to a conclusion.
1:45:31
Speaker 1: Well, and you know it's interesting. The mayor now has
1:45:33
Speaker 1: apparently come around to Police Chief Thiji's this pronouncement on
1:45:36
Speaker 1: bond hearing, apparently before she was placed on administrative leave
1:45:39
Speaker 1: at least camera nighter with the Enquirer's reporting that she
1:45:42
Speaker 1: had called this, since she did call the justice systems
1:45:46
Speaker 1: of revolving door before being placed on administrative leave. Obviously
1:45:50
Speaker 1: has a problem with the administration of justice, the low
1:45:52
Speaker 1: bonds and maybe the actions of prosecutors, you know, offering
1:45:56
Speaker 1: plea deals for pretty horrific crimes in order to not
1:45:59
Speaker 1: have to try case. Is that's a problem too, isn't it.
1:46:02
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's been a problem for years, you know, and
1:46:05
Speaker 12: it just keeps on building up and building up, and
1:46:07
Speaker 12: then now, you know, you have a mass shooting and
1:46:10
Speaker 12: now all of a sudden, everybody wants to act like they're.
1:46:12
Speaker 7: Appalled, like, oh my gosh, how do we get here?
1:46:13
Speaker 7: We know exactly how we got here.
1:46:15
Speaker 12: This county got here by electing these judges that are
1:46:18
Speaker 12: soft on bail, soft on crime, and we continue to
1:46:21
Speaker 12: see it to happen. Watch this next election cycle that
1:46:24
Speaker 12: you're likely going to see more of the same until
1:46:26
Speaker 12: these voters decide that they're sick of it and they're
1:46:30
Speaker 12: going to actually start voting and being you know, knowledgeable
1:46:34
Speaker 12: about who these candidates are and knowing the ones that
1:46:37
Speaker 12: stand for law and order in the ones that don't.
1:46:40
Speaker 7: Until that happens, we're going.
1:46:41
Speaker 12: To continue to talk about this. You could put hit
1:46:43
Speaker 12: Me on your show every week and we're going to
1:46:45
Speaker 12: continue to.
1:46:46
Speaker 7: Talk about this nonsense.
1:46:48
Speaker 1: Listen, that's fine with me. I'm going to get the
1:46:50
Speaker 1: word out. And as I stare at the election map
1:46:52
Speaker 1: from last November, in all of those areas, the vast
1:46:55
Speaker 1: majority of downtown Cincinnati, the city limits voted eighty five
1:46:59
Speaker 1: to one hundred percent have to have Purvoll and the
1:47:01
Speaker 1: current council members, which of course meant they voted also
1:47:03
Speaker 1: for Cheryl Long to remain in place, and the presence
1:47:06
Speaker 1: of Iris Rolly under contract that was known to the
1:47:08
Speaker 1: people before the vote. So I don't know, maybe people
1:47:12
Speaker 1: don't care. And to that end, Kenkober, when you talk
1:47:15
Speaker 1: to your officers who are actually out on the street
1:47:18
Speaker 1: in all of these various neighborhoods, do you get the
1:47:21
Speaker 1: sense from the community members people that you're protecting and serving,
1:47:24
Speaker 1: that they like you being there, that you're not an
1:47:27
Speaker 1: evil force to be reckoned with, that they want you
1:47:31
Speaker 1: there to help try to eliminate or or at least
1:47:33
Speaker 1: prevent crime in their neighborhoods. Or is this philosophy the
1:47:36
Speaker 1: police are bad well kind of a problem generally, speaking
1:47:41
Speaker 1: that you confront that component every day.
1:47:44
Speaker 12: Now, the good people of this city are tired of
1:47:47
Speaker 12: this nonsense. I would figure, Yeah, the question becomes, what
1:47:51
Speaker 12: are they going to do to become informed voters, because
1:47:55
Speaker 12: that's ultimately what has to happen.
1:47:57
Speaker 7: I mean, you look, I looked at some of.
1:47:58
Speaker 12: These social media posts about this, and the people of
1:48:01
Speaker 12: this city that are absolutely.
1:48:02
Speaker 7: Appalled that a bond was even issued. I mean, this
1:48:08
Speaker 7: is something where normally, you know, normally it's the kind
1:48:10
Speaker 7: of fifty to fifty, you know, whatever, you know, but
1:48:12
Speaker 7: I mean this case, it's.
1:48:13
Speaker 12: Like ninety nine percent of the people are appalled that
1:48:17
Speaker 12: they would allow somebody a judge would allow somebody that
1:48:20
Speaker 12: comes into a busy nightclub with they said, five hundred,
1:48:24
Speaker 12: six hundred and seven hundred people pull out a gun
1:48:26
Speaker 12: and start shooting, and that they would actually get a bond.
1:48:28
Speaker 12: If that is not a danger to society, I don't
1:48:30
Speaker 12: know what is. And if, of course, we remember the
1:48:33
Speaker 12: law that was passed by the voters of Ohio says
1:48:36
Speaker 12: that judges have to consider public safety when issuing bonds,
1:48:39
Speaker 12: and that clearly wasn't done in this case.
1:48:41
Speaker 1: No question about it. This and you know, I guess
1:48:48
Speaker 1: the reason that I don't have any idea, and it's
1:48:50
Speaker 1: been the questions are swirling around the prosecutor who didn't
1:48:52
Speaker 1: ask for no bond in this case as opposed to
1:48:54
Speaker 1: just asking for high bond. Judges clearly have a lot
1:48:57
Speaker 1: of discretion, but in this particular case, I think she
1:49:01
Speaker 1: the judge, completely ignored the public. This guy has a record.
1:49:04
Speaker 1: He was carrying a firearm when he was not lawfully
1:49:07
Speaker 1: entitled to carry one. He started firing indiscriminately into a
1:49:11
Speaker 1: crowd of people. If that doesn't represent a threat to
1:49:13
Speaker 1: the community, what does Ken No.
1:49:17
Speaker 7: I agree, like I said, and you look at his record.
1:49:19
Speaker 7: He just got out of prison right.
1:49:20
Speaker 1: Before Christmas, a recidivus.
1:49:24
Speaker 12: He couldn't even make it the springtime without picking up
1:49:27
Speaker 12: a gun and trying to shoot somebody.
1:49:28
Speaker 1: Ken Kober, FOP President on behalf of my entire listening
1:49:31
Speaker 1: audience and the fifty five care s Day Morning show,
1:49:34
Speaker 1: and me personally, I appreciate each and each and every
1:49:37
Speaker 1: one of the insane police officers may disagree on some levels,
1:49:40
Speaker 1: but we thank you for your commitment to the community,
1:49:42
Speaker 1: your willingness to go out into this environment and protect
1:49:44
Speaker 1: and serve in spite of the reality that you're dealing
1:49:47
Speaker 1: with a revolving door. And you know, maybe Police Chiefdiji
1:49:51
Speaker 1: was right. She told the truth that it is a
1:49:53
Speaker 1: revolving door and the police aren't going to bother with
1:49:56
Speaker 1: serious crimes because they don't feel it's worth their while
1:50:00
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1:51:22
Speaker 1: my friend. It's always a pleasure to have you on
1:51:24
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1:51:25
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Brian. It's good to be here. And woops,
1:51:30
Speaker 3: are you still there?
1:51:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm here.
1:51:32
Speaker 3: Oh all right, Well I can't see you all of
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Speaker 3: a sudden, anyway, I see you can't get it back anyway.
1:51:39
Speaker 3: I'm here, I'm happy to I'm happy to be here.
1:51:42
Speaker 3: And there we are back to seeing each other. I
1:51:47
Speaker 3: don't put batteries into smoke detectors and other people's homes.
1:51:51
Speaker 3: And I hate the concept of changing the time an
1:51:54
Speaker 3: hour twice a year.
1:51:55
Speaker 1: Thank you, even though it has nothing to do with
1:51:57
Speaker 1: the crazy world in which we find ourselves in the
1:51:59
Speaker 1: war we're going to talk about right now. I'm with
1:52:02
Speaker 1: you all day long. Could they just pick a time
1:52:04
Speaker 1: and stick with it?
1:52:05
Speaker 7: Right right?
1:52:05
Speaker 3: I mean this goes back to World War Two when
1:52:08
Speaker 3: they were worried about Nazi planes being able to see
1:52:12
Speaker 3: lights on in people's homes, or farmers not having the
1:52:15
Speaker 3: sun available when they were collecting their crops. This is
1:52:18
Speaker 3: ridiculous in twenty twenty six.
1:52:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't forget. We have elected people who think Guam
1:52:24
Speaker 1: can capsize your honors. So we've elect people who think
1:52:27
Speaker 1: they can change time. Okay, well, thank you for the
1:52:31
Speaker 1: levity on that one. I'm glad you share my agreement
1:52:33
Speaker 1: that we just need to stick with something and quit
1:52:35
Speaker 1: doing it all right, WI your calm, I know you.
1:52:38
Speaker 1: You call this unlawful, unconstitutional war. You articulate all the
1:52:41
Speaker 1: reasons in your colum which comes out tonight, Trump's unjust
1:52:44
Speaker 1: and unconstitutional war. I wanted to pivot over because this
1:52:47
Speaker 1: is something you and I have talked about time and
1:52:49
Speaker 1: time again. The War Powers Act nineteen seventy three, in
1:52:53
Speaker 1: order to reign in Nixon on Vietnam, which have been raging.
1:52:55
Speaker 1: I guess we had advisors in Vietnam. Back to the
1:52:58
Speaker 1: late nineteen fifties, Kennedy inherited that it just got bigger
1:53:01
Speaker 1: and bigger and bigger, and we can all sit back
1:53:03
Speaker 1: and ask ourselves, why how did that conflict rage on
1:53:06
Speaker 1: until nineteen seventy three or four when there was no
1:53:09
Speaker 1: declaration of war? And this was a time that preceded
1:53:11
Speaker 1: the authorization of use of military force, which wasn't that
1:53:15
Speaker 1: brought about by the Warpowers Act itself?
1:53:19
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, and yes, I mean the Vietnam War
1:53:24
Speaker 3: is an example of the slow and inexorable growth of
1:53:28
Speaker 3: presidential force, where instead of declaring war, Congress ratifies a
1:53:34
Speaker 3: war that has already been started by the president. This
1:53:38
Speaker 3: would have been anathema to Jefferson, Madison, even Washington and Adams,
1:53:43
Speaker 3: any of the framers and the founders at the creation
1:53:47
Speaker 3: of the Republic. Trump has taken this to a new
1:53:52
Speaker 3: level by giving one version of why he's doing this
1:53:57
Speaker 3: in a public diatribe that read like one of his
1:54:00
Speaker 3: political speeches to everybody in Congress, and another version to
1:54:04
Speaker 3: the Gang of Eight in secret in which intelligence information
1:54:09
Speaker 3: was apparently revealed. We don't know the Gang of Eight
1:54:13
Speaker 3: is the Congress within the Congress, but because they are
1:54:16
Speaker 3: sworn to secrecy. They can't share with other members of Congress,
1:54:20
Speaker 3: with their constituents, with the press what they learned. So,
1:54:24
Speaker 3: pardon my language. What the hell kind of a democracy
1:54:28
Speaker 3: or a democratic republic is this right? When the executive
1:54:31
Speaker 3: branch can tell a secret to eight members of the
1:54:34
Speaker 3: legislative branch who represent us and we don't know what
1:54:38
Speaker 3: they were told.
1:54:39
Speaker 1: So to the extent there was any deliberative process, it
1:54:41
Speaker 1: was basically between nine people, the President and the Gang
1:54:43
Speaker 1: of Eight. Interesting, right, all right? But moving over to
1:54:46
Speaker 1: the War Powers Act and the language within there, because
1:54:49
Speaker 1: I'm taking a look at it. Sixty days after congressional
1:54:53
Speaker 1: notification so that he can cent troops in he launches
1:54:56
Speaker 1: his war, he's got to give notification to Congress, and
1:54:58
Speaker 1: then this clock starts ticking sixty days and during which
1:55:02
Speaker 1: time Congress can maybe either declare war or issue an
1:55:06
Speaker 1: authorization for use of military force? Which what is that
1:55:10
Speaker 1: a mini a war? That's not a war? I was
1:55:12
Speaker 1: kind of just like, if we're fighting, we're fired.
1:55:14
Speaker 3: Well, the dangers of an authorization for the use of
1:55:17
Speaker 3: military force is and this is a creation of the
1:55:21
Speaker 3: Bush administration. This is not coognizable under the Constitution. It's
1:55:25
Speaker 3: open ended. I mean, when Donald Trump assassinated General Soleimani
1:55:31
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen, he used as his legal authority the
1:55:35
Speaker 3: Authorization for Use of Military Force in two thousand and one,
1:55:41
Speaker 3: which of course had nothing whatsoever to do with attacking
1:55:45
Speaker 3: in Iranian general. So these authorizations are open ended. A
1:55:49
Speaker 3: declaration of war, on the other hand, ends when the
1:55:52
Speaker 3: country on whom they've declared war surrenders. So the declarations
1:55:58
Speaker 3: of war that were issued by the Congress actually a
1:56:01
Speaker 3: statute and signed by FDR in December eighth, nineteen forty one,
1:56:06
Speaker 3: ended when Italy and Germany and Japan surrendered. Presidents would
1:56:13
Speaker 3: like the authorization for use of military force because it's
1:56:16
Speaker 3: open ended and they can use it wherever, whenever, and
1:56:19
Speaker 3: however they want. It's profoundly unconstitutional.
1:56:22
Speaker 1: Well, and you know it's interesting, He's give me an
1:56:24
Speaker 1: opportunity to congratulate. Congressman Warren Davidson, who on this program
1:56:28
Speaker 1: last week, said he is opposed to this absence of
1:56:30
Speaker 1: congressional involvement. He pointed out and he said, listen back
1:56:34
Speaker 1: to the start with the war in Iraq he served,
1:56:36
Speaker 1: which I opposed personally, but the country decided to go
1:56:39
Speaker 1: to Well, there was a vote. Congress authorized it, but
1:56:42
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be a limited war with a
1:56:45
Speaker 1: limited objective to get the weapons of mass destruction, and
1:56:47
Speaker 1: then noted the expansion of what you suggested. Listen, once
1:56:52
Speaker 1: you've gotten AUMF they use it for pretty much anything.
1:56:55
Speaker 1: They're not worded tightly enough, and there just uses it.
1:56:58
Speaker 1: I understand that. But wise, if Congress votes Thursday and
1:57:06
Speaker 1: they vote in favor of some authorization use the military
1:57:09
Speaker 1: force or to pull the troops out completely, Trump can
1:57:13
Speaker 1: veto that, as I understand it.
1:57:17
Speaker 3: You know, it's very interesting. The War Power is resolution.
1:57:22
Speaker 3: It's actually a law, but it calls itself a resolution,
1:57:26
Speaker 3: so I'm not miss speaking here. It's odd to do that.
1:57:30
Speaker 3: The War Powers Resolution, which was enacted over President Nixon's veto,
1:57:36
Speaker 3: intimates that it's a legislative veto, meaning that the president
1:57:41
Speaker 3: can't veto it. Now, the Supreme Court has ruled in
1:57:46
Speaker 3: other connections that there is nothing that the Congress does
1:57:50
Speaker 3: that the president can't veto, except for impeachment. So I
1:57:54
Speaker 3: think the president can veto it. It would be very
1:57:59
Speaker 3: telling if I'm of both houses say stop the war
1:58:02
Speaker 3: and he vetoes it. The war right now enjoys a
1:58:06
Speaker 3: twenty six percent approval rating and a fifty six percent
1:58:10
Speaker 3: disapproval rating. Those numbers would change a little bit against
1:58:16
Speaker 3: the president if he were to veto this, but we'd
1:58:20
Speaker 3: be in Virgin territory because since nineteen seventy three, the
1:58:25
Speaker 3: Congress has never used the War Powers Resolution to stop
1:58:30
Speaker 3: a president from fighting a war, so there's never been
1:58:33
Speaker 3: an opportunity for a president to veto it. Now, you
1:58:36
Speaker 3: mentioned this congressman that was on with you. I assume
1:58:40
Speaker 3: he's a Republican. He is, okay, So it only takes
1:58:43
Speaker 3: two Republicans and we know who the other one is
1:58:46
Speaker 3: to join the Democrats, and you have a majority in
1:58:49
Speaker 3: the House saying stop the war. I don't know what
1:58:54
Speaker 3: will happen in the Senate, and again I don't know
1:58:57
Speaker 3: what will happen.
1:58:58
Speaker 7: In the courts.
1:59:00
Speaker 1: Question number two. According to the War Powers Resolution, you
1:59:03
Speaker 1: got to terminate the conflict absent some action by Congress
1:59:07
Speaker 1: to authorize the use of force along some limited way
1:59:10
Speaker 1: with an AOMF or declaring war. If that does not happen,
1:59:13
Speaker 1: you got a sixty day clock ticking with a potential
1:59:15
Speaker 1: thirty day extension to get them out of wherever they are.
1:59:18
Speaker 1: That seems to me be the end of the road there.
1:59:20
Speaker 1: At that point, that would.
1:59:22
Speaker 3: Be the end of the road, except that this president
1:59:27
Speaker 3: is not faithful to the Constitution or to federal statutes.
1:59:31
Speaker 3: We know he doesn't believe in international law because he's
1:59:34
Speaker 3: told us that, and his behavior manifests a consistency with it.
1:59:39
Speaker 3: So again, I don't know how this is going to result.
1:59:42
Speaker 3: The courts are loath to get involved in a matter
1:59:46
Speaker 3: involving war or foreign policy.
1:59:48
Speaker 1: Indeed, leading me to my next question, which it sounds
1:59:51
Speaker 1: like you anticipated. Assuming Trump goes rogue the sixty day
1:59:54
Speaker 1: clock tick, Let's say he gets his thirty day extension
1:59:56
Speaker 1: because I needed to keep troops out of harm's way
1:59:59
Speaker 1: and to get them out of there. That's ninety days total.
2:00:01
Speaker 1: If he ignores all that and continues to engage and
2:00:04
Speaker 1: commit our troops to this region, is there any recourse?
2:00:07
Speaker 1: I guess that would be impeachment, wouldn't it be?
2:00:09
Speaker 3: I guess it would be a Republican house. It would
2:00:12
Speaker 3: be the Democrats plus a few Republicans at peaching him,
2:00:16
Speaker 3: which would be extraordinary for that to happen. When the
2:00:20
Speaker 3: president's party controls both houses of Congress. I think he's
2:00:26
Speaker 3: created a mess for himself, and I think he's done
2:00:28
Speaker 3: so because of his antipathy to the Constitution. Look, you
2:00:33
Speaker 3: heard the State of the Union address. The Democrats sat
2:00:39
Speaker 3: in their hands, except for once when he condemned heran.
2:00:43
Speaker 3: The Democrats, led by Elizabeth Warren, Senator from Massachusetts, probably
2:00:48
Speaker 3: the most or second most left wing member of the Senate,
2:00:52
Speaker 3: stood up and cheered. All he had to do was
2:00:55
Speaker 3: ask for an authorization in his military force or asked
2:00:58
Speaker 3: for a declaration of fork, and his legal problems are over,
2:01:02
Speaker 3: not his moral problems, but his legal problems. But because
2:01:07
Speaker 3: he is so has such antipathy and indifference to the
2:01:12
Speaker 3: other two branches of the government, he didn't do so
2:01:15
Speaker 3: fair enough.
2:01:15
Speaker 1: But you know, to appease my listeners, I think we
2:01:18
Speaker 1: can go backwards in time to all of the other
2:01:21
Speaker 1: military engagements, let me call them wars, like the Vietnam War,
2:01:26
Speaker 1: the Korean War, and all the other wars have been
2:01:28
Speaker 1: wages in spite of the fact that nobody bothered to
2:01:30
Speaker 1: get a declaration of war or even back then some
2:01:32
Speaker 1: kind of approval from Congress. Except final point, the power
2:01:36
Speaker 1: of the purse. Congress can at any time defund it.
2:01:41
Speaker 3: Well, that would take a two thirds majority, because that
2:01:43
Speaker 3: he could veto. But the answer is yes. If he
2:01:47
Speaker 3: became enormously unpopular, if the perception in the land was
2:01:52
Speaker 3: that he was a madman and a totalitarian, and two
2:01:55
Speaker 3: thirds of the Congress wanted to defund it, they could
2:01:58
Speaker 3: turn the lights out in the White House. Thirds of
2:02:00
Speaker 3: the Congress can do anything except amend the constitution that
2:02:05
Speaker 3: takes three quarters of the states.
2:02:06
Speaker 1: Three quarters of the states. Well, you know there is
2:02:08
Speaker 1: a constitution. We get you to remind us every week. Yeah,
2:02:11
Speaker 1: it's right there. It exists, It's real, and we need
2:02:14
Speaker 1: to pay more attention to it. So Judge Anapoulton, appreciate it.
2:02:17
Speaker 1: It's always great being able to engage in these kinds.
2:02:20
Speaker 3: Now, these are fabulous conversations. Brian. Again, I'm stirring the pot.
2:02:24
Speaker 3: I'm doing so with a little bit of passion because
2:02:27
Speaker 3: I'm devoted to this thing. That's the supreme law of
2:02:30
Speaker 3: the land.
2:02:31
Speaker 1: I know you are. I appreciate you for it. It's
2:02:33
Speaker 1: the reality that we're talking about, Judge Napolatan. And we'll
2:02:36
Speaker 1: do this again next week. Every week at eight thirty
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Speaker 1: Real Quick, your honor, Who are you talking to today?
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Speaker 3: Oh? In an hour, I have a professor Mohammed Mirandi
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Speaker 3: born in Arlington, Virginia, now a professor at the University
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Speaker 3: of Tehran, live from the basement of his home in
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Speaker 3: Tehran at noon Colonel Douglas McGregor.
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