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BOMBSHELL! NICK REINER'S HIGH-PROFILE LAWYER JUMPS SHIP · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Rob Sheell tonight, Nick Reiner's
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Speaker 1: high profile lawyer jumps ship. Good evening, i'mans he Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Hollywood legend Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle.
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Speaker 1: They didn't deserve this as bad enough that their throats
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Speaker 1: were split in their sleep.
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Speaker 2: The official cod is multiple sharp force injuries aka likely
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Speaker 2: that the knife will split their throat.
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Speaker 3: They ruled it the manner as homside and multiple sharp
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Speaker 3: force injuries.
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Speaker 4: And this is something that is driven by rage.
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Speaker 1: In the last hours, just as everyone is assembled in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom for Nick Reiner to be arraigned in the
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Speaker 1: double murders of his father, Rob Reiner and mother Michelle
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Speaker 1: Singer Reiner, Alan Jackson, high profile lawyer that has represented
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Speaker 1: the likes of Kevin Spacey, Harvey Weinstein, Karen Reid Waltz,
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Speaker 1: is in and jumps ship leaves. Why did mister Green
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Speaker 1: not show up? Listen?
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Speaker 5: As you know, my name is Alan Jackson. This morning
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Speaker 5: I had to withdraw as Nick.
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Speaker 6: Riders counsel.
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Speaker 7: Circumstances beyond our control.
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Speaker 8: The more importantly, circumstances beyond Nick's control.
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Speaker 1: You were just hearing Alan Jackson speaking claiming I had
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Speaker 1: to withdraw. I had to, like, had a gun to
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Speaker 1: his back, circumstances beyond our control and more importantly, circumstances
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Speaker 1: beyond nick as in Nick Reiner's control. I wonder what
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Speaker 1: that could be. Possibly the siblings refused, using to pay
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Speaker 1: for the defense of the man they believe killed their
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Speaker 1: father and mother. Joining me in All Star Pale. But
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Speaker 1: first straight out to Alexis Tereschuk, Crime Stories investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: standing by at the courthouse. Alexis, really he didn't know
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Speaker 1: before this morning that he was not going to go
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Speaker 1: forward defending Nick Reiner. It just dawned on him as
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Speaker 1: he stepped up to the podium. That's total bs. He
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Speaker 1: knew ahead of time. But what this does is allowed
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Speaker 1: more time before a not guilty or guilty plea or
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Speaker 1: m GBR I not guilty by reason of his sanity.
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Speaker 1: This is just the defense attorney's best friend, delay, delay,
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Speaker 1: and delay tell me everything.
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Speaker 2: So his Alan Jackson appeared in court today and he
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Speaker 2: asked the judge. He said, I would like to be
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Speaker 2: removed as counsel of record for this case. And he said, quote,
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Speaker 2: I have no choice but to ask for this, and
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Speaker 2: so that was how it started in the court, and
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Speaker 2: the judge agreed. She said, okay, you can be removed
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Speaker 2: as the counsel of record again outside he then said
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Speaker 2: it was beyond his control, and it was beyond Nick's control.
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Speaker 2: I court, specifically, I had no choice.
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Speaker 1: Okay, alexis Arraschak. You're telling me what was said in court.
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Speaker 1: But isn't it true that Jackson met with the judge
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Speaker 1: behind closed doors and most likely explained why he was
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Speaker 1: jumping ship.
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Speaker 2: Yes, but the attorneys all entered court. All of the
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Speaker 2: attorneys went back into chambers with the judge for about
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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes, and then they came back into court. They
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Speaker 2: spoke with Nick again. He was in the court. He
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Speaker 2: was seated in the inmates cage. He was wearing a
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Speaker 2: brown jail uniform and a white T shirt underneath, and
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Speaker 2: it appeared that his hands were handcuffed in front of him.
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Speaker 2: They spoke with him through the glass and then they
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Speaker 2: asked the judgement, so, yes, they had spoken about it.
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Speaker 1: He.
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Speaker 2: In fact, Nick at one point stood up in the
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Speaker 2: cage and he looked around the court and they called
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Speaker 2: for a woman to come over.
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Speaker 9: This woman is Kim Freed.
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Speaker 2: She's a public defender and she is one of the
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Speaker 2: two public defenders that have been assigned to his case.
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Speaker 1: Okay, alexis you cut out on me just for one moment?
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Speaker 1: Did you say that? Reiner? Nick Reiner looked around the
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Speaker 1: courtroom and saw who.
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Speaker 2: He appeared to look across the courtroom to his new
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Speaker 2: public defender. This woman then stood. He stood up, He looked,
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Speaker 2: He looked over his judge.
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Speaker 1: I need to let that soak in what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: So this guy that everyone is saying is incompetent doesn't
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Speaker 1: know what's going on. He's insane. He knew to scan
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Speaker 1: the whole courtroom and look over and oh, there she is.
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Speaker 1: There's my new lawyer. The other one quit. Okay, tell
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Speaker 1: me what else you observe, because everything you're telling me
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Speaker 1: is giving me new information. So Reiner scans the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: He spots Kimberley Green and he recognizes her. Tell me
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Speaker 1: exactly what happened.
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Speaker 2: So he's talking with his three attorneys again. He is
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Speaker 2: still in the the cage. He never comes out of
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Speaker 2: the cage into the official courtroom. He is there, he
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Speaker 2: is talking. They are all speaking with each other. They're talking,
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Speaker 2: and then he stands up. He's very tall. He's actually
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Speaker 2: probably when he's standing taller than all of his attorneys.
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Speaker 2: He looks across the courtroom and then they say, Kim,
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Speaker 2: come here, and this woman goes over. We learned subsequently
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Speaker 2: that that is Kim Green and she is the public
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Speaker 2: defender assigned to this case. So he looked around and
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Speaker 2: looked for her.
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Speaker 1: Guys, I want to go quickly to Chris Melcher joining
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Speaker 1: us celebrity lawyer partner at wellser Melcher and Yoda deep
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Speaker 1: experience in complex family law litigation as well as criminal law. Melcher,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I can think of
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Speaker 1: a few reasons that a lawyer would jump ship right
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Speaker 1: there at the time of the arrayment. Of course he
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Speaker 1: knew ahead of time, but he waited for this poignant
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Speaker 1: and dramatic moment to abandon the case, to walk off
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Speaker 1: the case. One a conflict of interest, for instance, somem
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Speaker 1: you mel No, you cannot represent one guy charged with
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Speaker 1: murder and a co defendant charged with the same murder
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Speaker 1: because you may want to blame each other. I don't
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Speaker 1: know what you might cook up as a defense, but
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Speaker 1: you cannot. No man, can serve two masters period, so
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Speaker 1: conflict of interest. There's no conflict of interest here ethics.
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Speaker 1: Really he represented Harvey Weinstein. Yeah, he's not leaving a
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Speaker 1: case because he has an ethical concern. So let's see
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Speaker 1: what's left. Not getting paid? Mister Green didn't show up
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Speaker 1: to change. Can you think of any other reason, Melcher?
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Speaker 10: I think that's it because the other ground for permissive
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Speaker 10: withdraw and Alan needed permission of the quart or as
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Speaker 10: client to get out. He can't just quit, would be
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Speaker 10: the client made it unreasonably difficult to provide representation. I
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Speaker 10: really doubt that.
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Speaker 9: That said, this is.
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Speaker 10: The most high profile criminal case out there, and Alan
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Speaker 10: attached himself to it quick. I don't think he would
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Speaker 10: want to leave that other than not getting paid. And
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Speaker 10: this was a question that I had at the beginning,
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Speaker 10: is who is funding this very expensive defense? And also
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Speaker 10: who allowed access to Alan Jackson and his team? Almost
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Speaker 10: immediately after the forensic team for the police left, Alan
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Speaker 10: Jackson has got access to that house.
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Speaker 9: Who allowed that access?
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Speaker 10: And so it seemed like somebody in the family or
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Speaker 10: maybe a trustee was providing funding and access to the home.
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Speaker 10: And then maybe there's a change of heart or really
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Speaker 10: coming to their senses, like why are we helping this
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Speaker 10: guy who just killed our parents?
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Speaker 1: Guys, in the last hours, Alan Jackson, high profile attorney
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Speaker 1: who has handled many, many notorious cases, has left Nick Reiner.
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Speaker 1: I would say high and dry. But obviously Reiner knew
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Speaker 1: in court who was his new attorney. She's very, very experienced.
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Speaker 1: Kimberly Green from the Public Defender's office, he knew already
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Speaker 1: who his lawyer was. His new lawyer, So I imagine this
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Speaker 1: all went down before court, possibly yesterday last night, because
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Speaker 1: there seemed to be no surprise on his part at all.
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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel. But I want you
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Speaker 1: to hear what Alan Jackson just said in recent days.
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Speaker 8: There are very very complex and serious issues that are
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Speaker 8: associated with this case. Therese need to be thoroughly but
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Speaker 8: very carefully dealt with and examined and looked at and analyzed.
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Speaker 8: This was a continuance of arrangement. Nothing happened today substantively.
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Speaker 8: We'll be back for an arrangement in the same department
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Speaker 8: on the seventh of January and we'll see you then.
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Speaker 1: How you that from our friends at Fox News. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's dissect what we're just hearing there are very very complex,
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Speaker 1: serious issues associated with this case. In other words, how
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Speaker 1: am I getting paid? Okay, those need to be thoroughly
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Speaker 1: but very carefully dealt with and examined and looked at
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Speaker 1: and analyzed. That came from the Department of Redundancy. Redundancy
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Speaker 1: department very carefully dealt with and examined and looked at
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Speaker 1: and analyzed. In other words, I'm going to have to
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Speaker 1: investigate his checking account to see if there's a daddy's
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Speaker 1: trust fund in there. Anywhere, there was a continuous of
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Speaker 1: the arrayment. Nothing happened substantively. All we're doing is waiting
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Speaker 1: for my check to come through. I think that's what
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Speaker 1: he was saying right there. Back to you, looks as
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Speaker 1: Terreschuk joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter at the courthouse.
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Speaker 1: Did anybody seem surprised at all? No?
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Speaker 2: And in fact, the judge asked Nick the only time
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Speaker 2: he spoken for it, She said, mister Rider, do you
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Speaker 2: agree to this? And he says, yeah, I agree to that.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly what he said. It was a specific word,
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Speaker 2: so he knew it happened. It was agreed upon, and
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Speaker 2: in fact, Kimberly Green said outside of court after the hearing,
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Speaker 2: she said this was discussed last night, so they all
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Speaker 2: were coming into this knowing this this morning, and Nick
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Speaker 2: said he agreed.
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Speaker 9: He said, yeah, I agree to that.
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Speaker 1: Take a listener more of what Jackson had to say.
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Speaker 8: Well, we've learned, and you could take this to the bank,
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Speaker 8: he said, pursuing to the laws of this state. Pursuing
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Speaker 8: to the law in California, Nick Reiner is not guilty.
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Speaker 5: Of learner.
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Speaker 11: Print that.
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Speaker 5: Print that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, he's very wily. He's a good lawyer.
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Speaker 1: And you know, you can't blame a private attorney for
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Speaker 1: not taking a case. It's going to include thousands of
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Speaker 1: hours of his or her own work, plus their legal
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Speaker 1: team and their investigators. And they're experts. If they're not
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Speaker 1: going to get paid. But frankly, speaking to you, Melcher,
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Speaker 1: public defenders to get a bad rap. But they are
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Speaker 1: some of, if not the most experienced trial lawyers in
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Speaker 1: the courthouse. They don't get to say no to a
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Speaker 1: case they don't like. You don't want to represent a
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Speaker 1: child molester. Sorry, it's your case, now get on. You
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Speaker 1: can't get out of it. As a public defender, that's
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Speaker 1: your job to represent people that have no representation. So
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Speaker 1: it's not like Hiner's getting a bad deal. Green is
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Speaker 1: a good lawyer, a great lawyer. We don't expect private
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Speaker 1: lawyers to work for free the public. You and I
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Speaker 1: pay public defenders. Somebody like Jackson, Riner's got to pay him.
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Speaker 1: Don't expect him to work for free. Agree, absolutely.
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Speaker 10: And you know, Los Angeles, the Criminal Courts Building has
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Speaker 10: some of the most experienced public defenders out there. And
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Speaker 10: these are people who have dedicated their lives. They're very passionate.
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Speaker 10: Like you say, they get paid very little, they don't
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Speaker 10: get to choose their clients, and they're handling really horrific
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Speaker 10: cases and have substantial experience. So he can be well served.
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Speaker 10: He's not going to get Nick's not going to get
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Speaker 10: the polish of Alan Jackson, but he'll get good defense.
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Speaker 8: Now.
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Speaker 10: Maybe some money opens up later on somehow, Maybe there's
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Speaker 10: a probate court action that's involved in trying to open
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Speaker 10: up some trust funds. Maybe then there's some attorney that
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Speaker 10: goes there. Maybe there's a private attorney who wants it
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Speaker 10: simply for the sake of publicity, and.
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Speaker 9: That could happen too.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Alan Jackson has that a lot of
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Speaker 1: other lawyers don't have Melcher And I witnessed this up
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Speaker 1: close when I was a co anchor co host with
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Speaker 1: Johnny Cochrane, when you both start a court TV on
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Speaker 1: the same show, Cochran and Grace, and of course everything
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Speaker 1: that came out of his mouth was a lie for
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Speaker 1: his clients. Of course Simpson did it. Of course everybody
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Speaker 1: he represented did it. When you see Johnny Cochran walk
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Speaker 1: in and I, oh, yeah, they did it. They did it,
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Speaker 1: okay in somehow they paid for Cochrane. But he had
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Speaker 1: what I called then the it factor. He had it.
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Speaker 1: You know those people they walk in the courtroom and
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Speaker 1: no matter what's happening, everybody turns around and looks at them.
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Speaker 1: It's you can't learn it in law school. Nobody can
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Speaker 1: teach it to you. You have it or you don't.
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Speaker 1: It's a presence. It's a star quality. It's a showboat quality.
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Speaker 1: And I don't mean that in a bad way. It's
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Speaker 1: an IT factor. That's the only way I know how
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Speaker 1: to describe it. It's not necessarily a charisma, because some
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Speaker 1: people that have it are real a holes, but they've
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Speaker 1: got it. But he has that. He has that just
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Speaker 1: like Cochrane had it. Do you agree or disagree with that?
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Speaker 1: That's the thing money can't buy.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, Nancy and Alan Jackson does have that presence and
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Speaker 10: he is a show boat, but he also has something
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Speaker 10: to back it up with and highly experienced as a prosecutor.
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Speaker 10: And it isn't short involvement in this case. I mean
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Speaker 10: he went to the house with investigators to look at
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Speaker 10: the scene and I'm sure work this thing up very well.
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Speaker 10: So yeah, he is going to deliver, but it comes
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Speaker 10: at a great cost and it just seems like maybe
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Speaker 10: Nick couldn't find that money.
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Speaker 1: So Sidney Sunder joining me Crime Stories investigative reporter along
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Speaker 1: with Lexus Treschuk at the courthouse. Sidney, what do we
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Speaker 1: know about the new lawyer, Kimberly Green from the Public
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Speaker 1: Defender's Office.
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Speaker 3: Well, Miss Green is one of two public defenders assigned
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Speaker 3: to this case, and she's been with the LA Public
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Speaker 3: Defense Office since two thousand and seven. She graduated from
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Speaker 3: Loyola Los Angeles with her law degree, and that's about
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Speaker 3: all we know at the moment.
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Speaker 1: I know this. She's had a very heavy caseload and
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Speaker 1: has tried a lot of cases. Well, there's another side
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Speaker 1: to take into account and that is the prosecution. This
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Speaker 1: is what they had to say in the last hours.
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Speaker 6: Well schedules account age with me is Habibailian.
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Speaker 3: He is the.
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Speaker 6: Assistant Head Deputy of Major Crimes. He will be prosecuting
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Speaker 6: this case. I'm here to make three points and then
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Speaker 6: I will.
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Speaker 5: Not be taking questions afterwards. In our criminal justice system,
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Speaker 5: never defend.
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Speaker 6: Is entitled to a lawyer who will zealously represent their
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Speaker 6: interests and do so effect TOOTU is Nick Reiner. Whether
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Speaker 6: it's Ellen Jackson, someone from the Public Attender's Office, or
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Speaker 6: any lawyer, He's entitled to that lawyer, and we'll make
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Speaker 6: sure he gets that lawyer. Second point, in the process
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Speaker 6: of dealing with that lawyer, we will make sure the
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Speaker 6: DA's office will make sure that that lawyer is provided
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Speaker 6: with full discovery of all the facts that pertains this
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Speaker 6: particular situation. Whether it's interviewers, whether it's any type of video,
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Speaker 6: whether it's any type of extra reports. We'll make sure
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Speaker 6: that down Blare gets the facts necessary to effectively represent
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Speaker 6: their client in a court of law.
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Speaker 5: And third onot we are fully confident.
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Speaker 6: That age you're you'll convict Nick Winer beyond the reasonable
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Speaker 6: doubt of the brutal murders of his parents, Matt Winer
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Speaker 6: and Michelle Singer Win and do so unanimously, thank you
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Speaker 6: very much.
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Speaker 5: And death though.
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Speaker 1: You were just hearing Nathan Hakman, the elected district attorney,
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Speaker 1: and you heard the press immediately peppering him with questions
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Speaker 1: about the death penalty. Now, there are several ways that
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Speaker 1: the defense can go here. They can claim mental incompetency,
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Speaker 1: which does not mean insanity at the time of the
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Speaker 1: double murders. Mental incompetency, and I've handled many of them,
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Speaker 1: is when the defense lawyer says he is too incompetent
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Speaker 1: to aid me in his defense. He just can't help me. Therefore,
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Speaker 1: the defendant would have to be hospitalized and hopefully rehabilitated
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Speaker 1: through counseling, through therapy, through medication until they were able
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Speaker 1: to aid their lawyer in their own defense. That's middle incompetency.
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Speaker 1: There is not guilty by reason of insanity, which means
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Speaker 1: rein or would have been insane at the time of
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Speaker 1: the murders. The old McNaughton test is the general rule
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Speaker 1: of insanity in our country, which means did you know
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Speaker 1: right or wrong at the time of the incident, and
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Speaker 1: I'm going to get into it with our panel whether
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Speaker 1: he did or did not know right from wrong at
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Speaker 1: the time his parents were stabbed. I say, yeah, he
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Speaker 1: knew it was wrong. So you've got melancompetency which can
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Speaker 1: buy you some time. You've got n gbri I not
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Speaker 1: guilty by reason of insanity, you've got plea guilty that's
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Speaker 1: not going to happen, and you've got not guilty. Those
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Speaker 1: are the choices. Those are the only choices at this juncture.
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Speaker 1: Straight back out to Alexis Tereschuk joining us from the courthouse,
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Speaker 1: it seemed like, as you mentioned earlier, nobody was surprised
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Speaker 1: this was in the works. It bought them what forty
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Speaker 1: eight hours before the next court appearance. I'd like you
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Speaker 1: to describe Nick Reiner's demeanor in the courtroom.
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Speaker 2: So he was very calm, He looked very aware, alert.
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Speaker 2: He was speaking with his attorneys repeatedly there with three
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Speaker 2: of them. They would talk to him. He was looking
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Speaker 2: around the courtroom. When they weren't speaking, he was looking
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Speaker 2: out into the gallery. He was looking at everybody and
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Speaker 2: that he could see in the court. He was not crying,
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Speaker 2: he was not upset. His face looked very clear. His
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Speaker 2: head was completely shaved, and he seemed to engage with
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Speaker 2: his attorneys, and then when the judge asked him to.
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Speaker 9: Speak, he said, yeah, I agree to that. He was
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Speaker 9: very clear.
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Speaker 2: In understanding what going on as far as answering her questions.
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Speaker 2: And then again he stood up at.
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Speaker 9: Once plexus to look over his lawyers.
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Speaker 1: Yes, were any other family members there? The siblings? Were
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Speaker 1: they there?
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Speaker 2: No, there were no Rhiner family members in the court.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Yeah, you know what that
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Speaker 1: tells me a lot. Straight back out to Chris Melcher,
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Speaker 1: he's veteran trial lawyer. You know what I mean. If
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Speaker 1: the siblings, if Ryner's siblings were lining up beside him,
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Speaker 1: they would have been in court today. We know it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're going to admit to it,
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Speaker 1: but the fact that they were not there tells me. A,
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Speaker 1: they're not going to help him out of this. They're
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Speaker 1: not getting his rear end out of a sling, and
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Speaker 1: b these youre aren't going to pay for his defense.
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Speaker 1: And that is why Alan Jackson is off the case.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, And that's a common sense reaction. You would think
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Speaker 10: that family member's siblings that they're not going to support
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Speaker 10: for the person that allegedly murdered their parents. But I
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Speaker 10: do go back to the access that Alan Jackson got
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Speaker 10: to the home, and it was maybe like on a
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Speaker 10: Tuesday or something after the crime, right after the LAPD
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Speaker 10: forensics left. He walks in and I think it might
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Speaker 10: have been a Reiner assistant that opens the gate. So
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Speaker 10: who allowed that? There was no court order for it
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Speaker 10: that the defense could have received. It was pre arranged.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, it was also the home of Nick Reiner.
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Speaker 1: Couldn't Reiner give consent for him to come into the home?
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Speaker 1: His home too? He lived there, I.
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Speaker 10: Mean, I suppose as an occupant. But then the other
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Speaker 10: people could have just said no, we're not We're just
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Speaker 10: not letting you in, and and it would be then
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Speaker 10: in a sibil matter, the police aren't gonna intervene with that.
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Speaker 10: You'd have to get a court order.
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Speaker 1: What other people? Nobody else lived there. The other siblings
21:07
Speaker 1: lived elsewhere at Rome across the street, but there was
21:10
Speaker 1: no one to say, hey, we live here and you
21:12
Speaker 1: can't come in. He lived there, He wasn't just an occupant.
21:16
Speaker 1: That was his home along with his parents. He could
21:18
Speaker 1: have been oh, I'm so glad you said that, Melcher.
21:21
Speaker 1: That tells me it's very likely he was in his
21:24
Speaker 1: right mind to allow Alan Jackson consent to come into
21:30
Speaker 1: the home, to hire Jackson, and to give him access
21:34
Speaker 1: to the home. He was actually making an investigative decision.
21:39
Speaker 1: He could have allowed that consent.
21:41
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's really remarkable how he got in there. And
21:45
Speaker 10: then back to I mean the Sunday evening before he
21:49
Speaker 10: got arrested, he goes into the convenience store, he buys gatorade,
21:54
Speaker 10: So obviously you knew the difference between right and wrong.
21:56
Speaker 10: He knew he couldn't just come and take that gatorade
21:59
Speaker 10: and walk out, but that he knew how to pay
22:01
Speaker 10: for it.
22:02
Speaker 1: You're seeing that video that Melter's talking about from our
22:04
Speaker 1: friends at CBS. Joining me right now, Special guest Heather Michaels.
22:10
Speaker 1: She is not just an investigator, reporter, a producer. She's
22:13
Speaker 1: a social justice advocate. But she is a neighbor and
22:17
Speaker 1: a dear friend of the Reiner family. Are you surprised
22:23
Speaker 1: that Romey and her brothers did not show up to
22:27
Speaker 1: court today, Heather.
22:29
Speaker 7: I am not surprised at all, not one bit. Their
22:33
Speaker 7: parents were brutally murdered. This is their brother, but he's
22:39
Speaker 7: essentially estranged, and this is something that took everybody by storm,
22:44
Speaker 7: entirely devastating. I am not surprised. I was waiting for this.
22:48
Speaker 7: I was shocked at Alan Jackson jumped onto this, but
22:52
Speaker 7: quite frankly, this is an opportunity for him, and I
22:57
Speaker 7: think he pushed his way in. And I'm just going
22:59
Speaker 7: to be frank about this. He didn't have the authority
23:02
Speaker 7: from the family or longtime family friends, the very close
23:08
Speaker 7: friends that have been like family. This was not an
23:12
Speaker 7: authorized Chess move forward or Nick. So I am not
23:17
Speaker 7: surprised about today at all. I was waiting for the
23:19
Speaker 7: next shoot of all. As you know, my.
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Speaker 5: Name is Alan Jackson. This morning I had to withdraw
23:25
Speaker 5: as Mick Lmer's counsel. Circumstances beyond power control, the more.
23:32
Speaker 8: Importantly, circumstances beyond Nick's control.
23:36
Speaker 1: There was blood in the bathtub, there was blood all
23:39
Speaker 1: over the bathroom.
23:40
Speaker 9: There was blood on the bedsheets.
23:41
Speaker 1: What do we know? So much more evidence to sift through,
23:46
Speaker 1: and the martyrs of Rob Reiner and wife Michelle Singer Reiner.
23:51
Speaker 12: LAPD responded to a residence the residents of Rob and
23:57
Speaker 12: Michelle Reiner located in West Los Angeles. At that location,
24:01
Speaker 12: they found two deceased adults, some male and a female.
24:05
Speaker 12: Through the night, working with the coroner's office, they were
24:08
Speaker 12: able to identify them definitively as Rob and Michelle Reiner.
24:12
Speaker 13: Unable to get in touch with their parents. All day Sunday,
24:15
Speaker 13: Rummy Reinder decides to make a house visit. Around three
24:18
Speaker 13: point thirty. Rummy lets herself into their Brentwood home and
24:21
Speaker 13: discovers a horrifying scene. Rob and Michelle Reiner stabbed and
24:26
Speaker 13: their throats slit. Rummy dials nine one one in a panic,
24:29
Speaker 13: but EMTs can do nothing, and that.
24:32
Speaker 1: Earlier sound from law enforcements from our friends at Fox
24:34
Speaker 1: eleven joining me in all star panels, straight back out
24:37
Speaker 1: to Alexis Terestchuk joining us at the courthouse. I heard
24:40
Speaker 1: you describe what Nick Reiner was wearing. Normally I don't
24:46
Speaker 1: care about fashion, but in this particular case, I find
24:51
Speaker 1: it extremely probative. He was not wearing a suicide smock.
24:55
Speaker 1: Is that correct?
24:56
Speaker 9: That is correct.
24:57
Speaker 2: It was just appeared to be a white T shirt
24:59
Speaker 2: and a round uniform. Interesting the other inmates who had
25:02
Speaker 2: been in there prior to his case being heard, were
25:05
Speaker 2: in blue, he was in brown, so there was that
25:08
Speaker 2: difference between them. And again his head was completely shaved
25:11
Speaker 2: and his face looked clear. He didn't have any markings
25:14
Speaker 2: or anything from what I could see. And he was
25:16
Speaker 2: again looking around the court, chatting with his attorneys. And
25:19
Speaker 2: then after Jackson was recused by the judge, Kimberly Green
25:24
Speaker 2: came over to him in the court and she stood
25:26
Speaker 2: outside the INMA cage and they were again speaking to
25:29
Speaker 2: each other. We couldn't see what she was saying, but
25:31
Speaker 2: they were speaking to each other. And then the judge
25:33
Speaker 2: asked him again, is this what you agree to? And
25:36
Speaker 2: he says, yeah, I agree to that.
25:38
Speaker 1: I'm going out on a loom. Here. Sidney Sumner, Crime
25:41
Speaker 1: storys investigative reporter also joining us. Sidney I imagined that
25:45
Speaker 1: the other inmates were in GP general population while Reiner
25:50
Speaker 1: of Suicide Watch is still under high observation and the
25:55
Speaker 1: uniforms may very well be different. So the wardens, the employee,
26:00
Speaker 1: yes at the jail at the CI Correctional Institute, can
26:04
Speaker 1: look at a suspect, a defendant and note, hey, he's
26:09
Speaker 1: wearing tan. He's not supposed to be in GP. Getting
26:12
Speaker 1: back to high observation. You know my school uniforms. The
26:16
Speaker 1: kindergarteners wear the little red dress, and then they wear
26:19
Speaker 1: the plaid smock, and then they go to middle school
26:21
Speaker 1: and they wear the cute little kaki skirt. The teachers
26:24
Speaker 1: just look at them and they know where they're supposed
26:26
Speaker 1: to be. I bet that's why his uniform, his jail,
26:31
Speaker 1: his inmate uniform was different than the others.
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Speaker 3: That's absolutely right. So he doesn't have to wear that
26:37
Speaker 3: anti self harm smock anymore, but he isn't specific specific
26:43
Speaker 3: clothing for that high observation housing unit where he's currently
26:47
Speaker 3: being held, and reports say that even if he is
26:50
Speaker 3: released from this high observation unit, he will still be
26:54
Speaker 3: very closely monitored and still kept in solitary.
26:58
Speaker 13: Ran Ripier's in courts an anti self harmed smock. After
27:02
Speaker 13: his arrest on two charges of murder to finally inter
27:05
Speaker 13: a plee.
27:05
Speaker 14: Reiner moved off suicide watch at the Twin Towers Correctional Facility.
27:09
Speaker 14: No longer to wear a padded smock, now allowed a
27:12
Speaker 14: yellow shirt with blue uniform pants. Reiner still held alone
27:15
Speaker 14: in high observation housing until a judge orders him to
27:18
Speaker 14: move elsewhere. Even if Reiner is released from h OH,
27:21
Speaker 14: he will be closely monitored and have a cell to himself.
27:24
Speaker 1: Straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall, joining us high profile
27:28
Speaker 1: psychoanalyst in that jurisdiction LA, author of deal Breakers. You
27:33
Speaker 1: can see her now on peacock and you can find
27:35
Speaker 1: her at Doctorbethanymarshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, explain to me
27:40
Speaker 1: what it means when someone is off suicide watch but
27:43
Speaker 1: they are in high observation.
27:47
Speaker 11: It means that they're in an extraordinarily fragile state, right,
27:50
Speaker 11: that there's a risk that they could try to harm
27:52
Speaker 11: themselves or somebody else, but they're not such an acute
27:56
Speaker 11: risk at that point. It could also be that they've
27:58
Speaker 11: stabilized him on metaations or that signs of suicidality like
28:04
Speaker 11: disruption and sleep appetite concentration, being labile, being dysregulated, that
28:10
Speaker 11: that has all gone away, and he's kind of resumed
28:12
Speaker 11: normal function at this point.
28:15
Speaker 1: So normal function, but yet not in GP, not in
28:21
Speaker 1: general population.
28:22
Speaker 11: Right, normal function, Nancy, This Nick Reiner is extraordinarily bright,
28:29
Speaker 11: oriented towards reality, inventive. He was really good at getting
28:34
Speaker 11: himself taken care of and whatever way he needed. I
28:37
Speaker 11: used to listen to him on the Dope Podcast, it's
28:39
Speaker 11: a podcast about drug addiction. He would call in, and
28:42
Speaker 11: when he was in rehab in Maine, he calls into
28:45
Speaker 11: the Dope Podcast and he tells them he wants to
28:48
Speaker 11: go home and live with his parents, So he's going
28:50
Speaker 11: to get get sober for a couple of weeks just
28:53
Speaker 11: so they'll discharge him so he can go back to
28:55
Speaker 11: his parents' house to use. And that was discussed on
28:58
Speaker 11: the podcast. He was right to do that. He's bright enough,
29:02
Speaker 11: Nancy to aid in his own defense, to have known
29:07
Speaker 11: that if he was on serious substances, it could get
29:10
Speaker 11: to this point with the people around him. And I
29:12
Speaker 11: cannot blame his siblings for not wanting him out of jail.
29:16
Speaker 11: They probably feel that they're at risk too of harm.
29:18
Speaker 11: Why have a homicidal person who refuses to get sober,
29:22
Speaker 11: who's gone toe eighteen rehabs in seventeen years. Why inflict
29:26
Speaker 11: that person out on society? That would be wrong for
29:29
Speaker 11: them to assist in his defense, I really think, and
29:32
Speaker 11: they understand that well.
29:33
Speaker 1: And also who's left them the siblings, Yes, they do
29:38
Speaker 1: not want him out from behind bars. You were speaking
29:41
Speaker 1: of the dopey podcast he would call in on listen.
29:45
Speaker 15: I got totally spun out on uppers. I think it
29:48
Speaker 15: was coke and something else, and I was up for
29:50
Speaker 15: days on end, and I started punching out different things
29:55
Speaker 15: in my guest.
29:56
Speaker 6: Outs, like a frame, like what like a stuff in
29:59
Speaker 6: I think I.
29:59
Speaker 15: Still started with the TV, and then I went over
30:02
Speaker 15: to the lamp, and then progressively I just everything in
30:06
Speaker 15: the guest house got wrecked.
30:08
Speaker 1: So I want to follow up on this Sydney Sumner
30:12
Speaker 1: joining us Sydney. He is in the Twin Tower CI
30:15
Speaker 1: Correctional Institute. Isn't that the same CI that housed Sam Haskell?
30:22
Speaker 1: I guess the fourth or the fifth? Oh gosh, there
30:25
Speaker 1: he is. Didn't they house Haskell?
30:27
Speaker 3: Absolutely that is the same facility, and that's where Halskell
30:32
Speaker 3: took his own life.
30:33
Speaker 1: Speaking of another Hollywood nepo, baby, let's take a little
30:37
Speaker 1: listen to Sam Haskell.
30:39
Speaker 16: Correction I'm not so much interested in like whole body health,
30:43
Speaker 16: Like this is not CBD is not about wellness for me.
30:47
Speaker 4: I'm trying to get retarded peace.
30:50
Speaker 16: One hundred GEO shouts.
30:52
Speaker 17: Out to the waiter at the restaurant, above Norstroms for
30:55
Speaker 17: just like completely burning the sh out of my filet like,
30:59
Speaker 17: what kind of a monster are you? Homie?
31:02
Speaker 1: Shout out to the waiter that totally ruined my sixty
31:06
Speaker 1: dollars steak I had at lunch. Really, that's from Tragic
31:11
Speaker 1: Streets on TikTok. Another NEPO baby ends up in Twin Towers.
31:19
Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, the shock must be drastic to
31:24
Speaker 1: go from living in your dad's multimillion dollar mansion, the poolhouse,
31:29
Speaker 1: raiding the sub zero whenever you felt like it, having
31:33
Speaker 1: both parents at your whim to bail you out of
31:38
Speaker 1: everything you have ever done, to pay for you court Blanche,
31:43
Speaker 1: and now you're in observation high observation at Twin Towers.
31:49
Speaker 11: See I what which is where he's Nancy is where
31:53
Speaker 11: he should be? I mean, it's one of the biggest
31:54
Speaker 11: psychiatric facilities on the West Coast because they have so
31:58
Speaker 11: many psych admissions there in tandem with crimes. You know,
32:02
Speaker 11: Rob and Michelle were very loving, psychologically healthy, growth promoting
32:08
Speaker 11: parents who did anything for their son Nick, and he
32:12
Speaker 11: abused that and he did what addicts do to families.
32:15
Speaker 11: They can take really normal, lovely delightful parents and just
32:21
Speaker 11: turn them into accommodators. They wrap the parents around their
32:25
Speaker 11: little finger. He's not going to be able to wrap
32:28
Speaker 11: the public defender, or the prosecutor, or the jail guards,
32:32
Speaker 11: or the psychiatrist in the facility. He's not going to
32:37
Speaker 11: be able to wrap any of them around his finger.
32:39
Speaker 11: And I think that's where the shock is really going
32:41
Speaker 11: to lie. His protective layer is now gone as well
32:45
Speaker 11: as it should be. He does not need anybody protecting
32:47
Speaker 11: him at this point.
32:49
Speaker 5: How many times have you been in and out of reha.
32:51
Speaker 15: I'll be honest, it's been like seventeen or eighteen times.
32:54
Speaker 5: I saw it when I was like almost about the
32:57
Speaker 5: term fifteen. THERE'TI like nineteen.
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Speaker 15: From fifteen to nineteen, and yeah, it's like been thirty
33:04
Speaker 15: four years.
33:04
Speaker 1: From the pledge and the turn.
33:06
Speaker 11: There was a pretty big argument between Rob Michelle and
33:10
Speaker 11: their son Nick. But Nick has had a very long
33:12
Speaker 11: and troubled history with drugs.
33:14
Speaker 1: Nick Reiner is an abuser. He's a drug addict. For
33:20
Speaker 1: those of you just joining us, an abrupt u turn
33:24
Speaker 1: goes down in the courtroom today in what should have
33:27
Speaker 1: been Nick Reiner's formal arrangement. His high profile lawyer Alan
33:32
Speaker 1: Jackson jumps ship and says circumstances out of his control
33:37
Speaker 1: and out of Nick Reiner's control have forced him off
33:41
Speaker 1: the case. In other words, the siblings are not paying
33:46
Speaker 1: for Jackson. Straight back out to Alexis Tereschuk joining us
33:49
Speaker 1: at the courthouse, Alexis for those just joining us, what happened?
33:55
Speaker 2: So Alan Jackson, Nick Rener's attorney appeared in the court
33:58
Speaker 2: today with Nick and he asked the judge to remove
34:01
Speaker 2: him as counsel of record. He said he had no
34:04
Speaker 2: choice but to ask for this request, and the judge
34:07
Speaker 2: granted it and said you are no longer his attorney.
34:09
Speaker 2: He is now represented by a public defender. And Nick
34:13
Speaker 2: was asked in court do you agree with this? And
34:15
Speaker 2: he said, yeah, I agree with that. So there was
34:18
Speaker 2: a deal that was made, and the public defender actually
34:21
Speaker 2: said Nick was aware of this last night. So this
34:25
Speaker 2: morning they went in and they told the judge. First
34:27
Speaker 2: they were behind closed doors and chambers, and then they
34:29
Speaker 2: came out and said that this was what was happening.
34:31
Speaker 1: Alexis rustic. I don't understand why you say it like that.
34:35
Speaker 1: A public defender. Those are some of the best trial
34:40
Speaker 1: lawyers in the courthouse. Just because they don't get paid
34:43
Speaker 1: when Alan Jackson or Chris Melcher gets paid to represent somebody,
34:47
Speaker 1: does not mean they are not excellent, tactical and strategic
34:52
Speaker 1: lawyers at trial. And you know another thing, Wait, well,
34:59
Speaker 1: what go ahead?
35:00
Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, Kimberly Green went to
35:02
Speaker 2: one of the best law schools in Los Angeles. Loyle
35:05
Speaker 2: is known as one of the top law schools in
35:06
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, and she has been practicing for almost twenty
35:09
Speaker 2: years as a public defender.
35:11
Speaker 1: You know, and in cases like this, just in case
35:14
Speaker 1: there's going to be a DP, you have to be
35:15
Speaker 1: DP qualified. You can't just waltz in having never sat
35:20
Speaker 1: a second seat at least on x number of trials
35:23
Speaker 1: that varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Alexis Terreschuk is joining
35:27
Speaker 1: us at the courthouse. But as it relates to public defenders,
35:34
Speaker 1: it does shouldn't lead a bad taste in your mouth.
35:37
Speaker 1: They are veteran trial lawyers, okay. And all of this
35:42
Speaker 1: business about being forced off the case, He forced himself
35:46
Speaker 1: off the case. Nobody asked him to leave the case.
35:49
Speaker 1: He did not have an ethical violation, He did not
35:52
Speaker 1: have a conflict of interest that we know of, So
35:56
Speaker 1: there you go. He just wasn't going to get paid now. Earlier,
36:01
Speaker 1: we were hearing doctor Bethany Marshall describing what it means
36:06
Speaker 1: to be on high observation within the Twin Towers. It
36:09
Speaker 1: means you're off suicide watch, but they're still keeping a
36:12
Speaker 1: close eye on you. In the last year, Sam Haskell
36:18
Speaker 1: a huge NEPO baby. His dad was the Hollywood agent
36:22
Speaker 1: to the stars. The dad represented Dolly Parton, Whoopee Goldberg.
36:26
Speaker 1: Just off the top of my head. I can't remember
36:28
Speaker 1: all of them, but a list celebri I mean, look,
36:31
Speaker 1: if he represented Dolly Parton, you know he's got to
36:34
Speaker 1: be in the big league. And this is his son.
36:36
Speaker 1: Let's see him again. I believe he had posted one
36:39
Speaker 1: video of himself like on a seesaw, going up and
36:43
Speaker 1: down and up and down while he lived off his
36:47
Speaker 1: wife and his daddy's paycheck. Hey, let's take a listen
36:52
Speaker 1: to him.
36:52
Speaker 16: I went to a tech conference real quick, you guys
36:55
Speaker 16: by mistake, and the number one thing they talked about
36:59
Speaker 16: was consistency, Like, be consistent. Now, I'm consistently never going
37:04
Speaker 16: to stop.
37:05
Speaker 4: Drinking, talking on AirPods, just talking randomly with like nobody
37:09
Speaker 4: in the other end. It just feels important, order multiple drinks,
37:14
Speaker 4: and I'll just be like, oh, yeah, they're on their way.
37:16
Speaker 4: If you see me typing really fast, like looking really
37:20
Speaker 4: productive on my laptop, just like typing typing, chances are
37:23
Speaker 4: I'm just typing random letters and numbers.
37:26
Speaker 1: From tragic streets on TikTok, living off of his father
37:31
Speaker 1: making his wife may work her tail off to pay
37:35
Speaker 1: the house payment while he's out whining about the steak
37:38
Speaker 1: he got? Where where did he get the steak? Whining?
37:43
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, long story short. Regardless of what you
37:49
Speaker 1: think about the life he chose to live, his unproductive life,
37:53
Speaker 1: he committed suicide in twin Towers. Do I have to
37:59
Speaker 1: say the name Jeffrey Epstein, who had actually been on
38:06
Speaker 1: suicide Watch? Have you looked at the videos of the jail,
38:13
Speaker 1: I mean they can't tell who got into his cell,
38:17
Speaker 1: who didn't get into his cell? Is still hotly contested.
38:21
Speaker 1: Did he commit suicide or was he murdered? Many many
38:26
Speaker 1: renowned medical examiners and death investigators insist he did not
38:32
Speaker 1: commit suicide based on the markings on his neck. But
38:36
Speaker 1: that said, it was under the watch of two guards
38:40
Speaker 1: that he died and they knew nothing about it. So
38:46
Speaker 1: what do you know, Alexis Tereschuk about the safeguards on
38:51
Speaker 1: this guy, Nick Reiner.
38:54
Speaker 2: Well, while he's been removed from suicide watch, that doesn't
38:57
Speaker 2: mean that he's not under constant surveillance.
39:00
Speaker 9: In fact, they took special progressions.
39:01
Speaker 2: He wasn't brought into the courtroom with the three other
39:04
Speaker 2: defendants that were there today. He was by himself. There
39:07
Speaker 2: was the sheriff's deputy standing right next to him the
39:09
Speaker 2: whole time. He is definitely still under very high surveillance
39:13
Speaker 2: because the district attorney doesn't want something else terrible to happen,
39:15
Speaker 2: and certainly nobody wants this.
39:17
Speaker 9: To happen to him.
39:18
Speaker 17: Shouts out to the waiter at the restaurant above Norstrums
39:21
Speaker 17: for just like completely burning the out of my filet
39:25
Speaker 17: like what kind of a monster are you, homie?
39:27
Speaker 7: And he struggled with.
39:34
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
39:40
Speaker 7: He struggled with mental health issues most of his life.
39:43
Speaker 7: He struggled with a lot, and there were times when
39:45
Speaker 7: some things that he said were just a little odd.
39:48
Speaker 7: It's just unthinkable, it's unfathable. These are two parents that
39:51
Speaker 7: were absolutely fantastic. We're loving, compassionate.
39:56
Speaker 1: A major turn of events in the courtroom today, high
39:59
Speaker 1: profile lawyer Alan Jackson jumps a ship and leaves the
40:03
Speaker 1: defense of Nick Reiner, charged in the double murders of
40:06
Speaker 1: his father, Rob Reiner, an icon and his beloved wife
40:12
Speaker 1: Michelle Singer Reiner. Joining me now, special guest doctor Thomas Coin.
40:18
Speaker 1: He is the Chief Medical Examiner, District two Medical Examiner's Office,
40:21
Speaker 1: State of Florida. He is a forensic pathologist, he's a toxicologist,
40:25
Speaker 1: he's a neuropathologist. And it goes on, doctor Coin, thank
40:30
Speaker 1: you for being with us tonight. Question to you, you
40:33
Speaker 1: now know the cod cause of death different from mod
40:38
Speaker 1: manner of death. The cause of death I find very
40:42
Speaker 1: interesting and it suggests to me that there was either
40:48
Speaker 1: a frenzy attack or the Whiners fought back. There were
40:53
Speaker 1: multiple stab wounds, not just the slitting of the throats
40:57
Speaker 1: of the two victims in their sleep, but multiple stab wounds.
41:02
Speaker 1: If the jugular was not slit first, Doctor Coin, did
41:09
Speaker 1: they suffer? Did they know what was happening to them?
41:14
Speaker 18: Well, unfortunately, they probably did stab wounds or in size wounds,
41:19
Speaker 18: even to our neck. Because you know, within our neck
41:21
Speaker 18: we have both our jugular vein and we had the
41:23
Speaker 18: carotid artery, and if you sever either one of those,
41:26
Speaker 18: you're going to bleed a lot.
41:28
Speaker 7: And you're going to bleed very fast.
41:29
Speaker 18: But it can still take several minutes for you to
41:32
Speaker 18: become incapacitated or lose consciousness, especially if it's the vein
41:36
Speaker 18: that's struck, because bleeding will be slower, but you are
41:39
Speaker 18: still conscious through that process. Unless you know, the knife
41:44
Speaker 18: goes into the actual brain itself consciousness will still be,
41:48
Speaker 18: you know, present. So I would imagine that unfortunately, during
41:51
Speaker 18: this attack, they were conscious and aware of what was
41:54
Speaker 18: happening to them.
41:56
Speaker 1: Doctor Thomas Coin, I know that it's SOP standard opera
42:00
Speaker 1: procedure for you to conduct autopsy after autopsy after autopsy
42:05
Speaker 1: in the thousands, but do you have to steal yourself?
42:11
Speaker 1: For instance, if you were doing the autopsy of Rob
42:13
Speaker 1: and Michelle Reiner, do you allow yourself when you're looking
42:18
Speaker 1: at that body to think, dear Lord, I hope they
42:23
Speaker 1: didn't suffer, And then you look at the wounds and
42:26
Speaker 1: you realize there may have been a struggle. So they
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Speaker 1: did suffer. They did know what was happening to them,
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Speaker 1: you know, in the Brian Coburger case, here's a great example.
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Speaker 1: We were first told basically that the four beautiful University
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Speaker 1: Ido students just went to sleep and then they were
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Speaker 1: in heaven just like that. Nothing happened in between. That's
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Speaker 1: a lie. They fought for their lives. They struggled. One
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Speaker 1: victim was stabbed over thirty times in the face, and
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Speaker 1: you have to accept that, grapple with it, and no,
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Speaker 1: oh that they suffered, And I just wonder, how do
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Speaker 1: you do that day in day out.
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Speaker 18: You have to get really good at tucking those emotions inside.
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Speaker 18: I had a stab worn multiple stab one case about
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Speaker 18: a week ago, and I think if I thought about
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Speaker 18: that person as being someone's father or someone's son, I
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Speaker 18: wouldn't be able to do my job. I have to
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Speaker 18: tuck those emotions down deep, be scientific about how I
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Speaker 18: approach the case, try to answer all questions I can
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Speaker 18: for law enforcement, and then afterwards, Uh, if but an
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Speaker 18: emotion comes through my brain, I try to suppress it
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Speaker 18: as best as I can, because if I entertained those emotions,
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Speaker 18: I wouldn't be able to do my job. But it
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Speaker 18: is very hard.
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Speaker 1: Well, you're right, doctor, con. I remember distinctly being in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom and just getting through it and stealing myself,
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Speaker 1: not allowing myself to think about what the victims went through.
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Speaker 1: And then when I would leave the courthouse, there were
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Speaker 1: times I'd actually have to pull over off the side
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Speaker 1: of the road and just to stop and think about
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Speaker 1: what I had just learned from usually the medical examiner
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Speaker 1: on the stand. I want to return to a very
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Speaker 1: special guest joining us, Heather Michaels. She's just not only
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Speaker 1: an active as a producer or reporter, she was a
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Speaker 1: very dear friend of the Rhiners, still a friend of
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Speaker 1: the children, their neighbor. How do you come to the
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Speaker 1: grips with the fact that the Rhiners they just just
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Speaker 1: get their throat slip, which bad enough, but that could
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Speaker 1: have happened just like that, there were multiple stab wounds.
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Speaker 1: As they lie in their bed, they fought they knew
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Speaker 1: what was happening to them.
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Speaker 7: Heather, I struggle with that. It's so painful to imagine
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Speaker 7: that Rob and Michelle were aware of this happening as
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Speaker 7: it was happening. I've held back a lot in how
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Speaker 7: I express my, you know, my feelings of truly of
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Speaker 7: how things unfolded, but it comes across like a rage.
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Speaker 7: I mean, this was a brutal murder. And I'm not
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Speaker 7: going to sugarcoat anything because the rhyin Or family, Rob
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Speaker 7: and Michelle were such special individuals and the children, all
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Speaker 7: of them, and I know I could calling them children,
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Speaker 7: they're adults, adults, every one of them is amazing. I
45:29
Speaker 7: am very angry, you know what a lot of the
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Speaker 7: things I've seen in recent days, and that I also
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Speaker 7: know that I haven't expressed here. It's just it's hard
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Speaker 7: to come to grips with this. It's an unbelievably disturbing
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Speaker 7: tragedy and it's becoming a circus at the same time
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Speaker 7: with some of the games that are being played with
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Speaker 7: with Alan Jackson even today. I'm not surprised, as I mentioned,
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Speaker 7: but this is going to unravel even further with the
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Speaker 7: optics and the circus and the way things this is covered.
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Speaker 7: I just want to get back to one more thing
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Speaker 7: I want to say is again, Robin Michelle were so
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Speaker 7: dearly loved by everybody, by the industry, by his dear family,
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Speaker 7: friend's lifelong friends. You know his father, You know that
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Speaker 7: legacy of producers and actors in the industry and his
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Speaker 7: neighbors as elderly neighbors. They were just really special people.
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Speaker 7: And I just don't want, you know, to forget that
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Speaker 7: this is a tragedy and just what beautiful souls they
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Speaker 7: were and they did everything they could with Nick. This
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Speaker 7: is a very difficult situation when somebody has mental health
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Speaker 7: challenges and struggles with schizophrenia, which is what I had
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Speaker 7: mentioned to you when we did the other program. He's
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Speaker 7: aware of his actions, so and I'm going to put
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Speaker 7: that out there.
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Speaker 1: You know, Heather, you stated that you are concerned that
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Speaker 1: this will quote turn into a circus. I can promise you,
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Speaker 1: Heather Michaels, there will not be one night that we
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Speaker 1: cover this investigation that we do not make it about
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Speaker 1: the victims, Rob and Michelle and their family left behind.
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Speaker 1: The big banner today is all about Nick Reiner and
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Speaker 1: Alan Jackson, But for me, it's about Rob Reiner and
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Speaker 1: Michelle Singer Reiner that were brutally slashed dead in their
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Speaker 1: own beds, according to prosecutors, by a sun that they
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Speaker 1: had spoon fed every privilege possible throughout his life. If
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Speaker 1: you know or think you know anything about this case
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Speaker 1: before daring or after the incident. LAPD is constructing a
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Speaker 1: case along with the District Attorney. Please call crime stoppers
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Speaker 1: eight hundred two two two eight four seven seven. Now
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Speaker 1: we remember an American hero, Trooper Tara Gooding, Washington State Patrol,
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Speaker 1: just twenty nine, killed in a line of duty, leaving
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Speaker 1: behind her young husband, American hero Trooper Tara Gooting. Thank
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Speaker 1: you to our guests, but especially to you for being
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Speaker 1: with us tonight and every night. Nancy Grace signing off,
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Speaker 1: but I'll see you tomorrow night, God willing, And until then,
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Speaker 1: good night friend,