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The Maxwell Trial Transcripts: Kate Describes Her Relationship With Ghislaine Maxwell (Part 6) (11/11/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking right back up
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: where he left off with the transcript from Kate's testimony
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: during the Glenn Maxwell trial. Question. And after you receive
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  Speaker 1: your settlement money in connection with Epstein Victim Compensation Fund,
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: you no longer were involved in the foundation, correct? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: I was still involved. The foundation shut down first. Question. Question.
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  Speaker 1: but it shut down around the time that you began
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  Speaker 1: cooperating with the government, correct? Answer, it shut down before
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  Speaker 1: I had received any kind of settlement. Question, you received
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  Speaker 1: your settlement a year ago this week, correct? Answer, if
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  Speaker 1: you say so. I would say that's probably about accurate. Question,
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  Speaker 1: earlier the government had asked you about having made a
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  Speaker 1: public statement at some point in 2019 concerning Mr. Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember that? Answer, sorry, could you repeat that? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: on direct examination, you were asked about having made a
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  Speaker 1: public statement in connection with Jeffrey Epstein. Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and you made that public statement using your true name. Answer, correct. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and you testified earlier that the reason why you're not
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  Speaker 1: using your true name is to protect your child, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you had a child at that point, didn't you? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and your lawyers also introduced you Using your true name
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  Speaker 1: at the public hearing, correct? Answer, yes. Question, and you
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  Speaker 1: were represented by a lawyer named Brad Edwards, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and Mr. Edwards has represented you in connection with the
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  Speaker 1: claim that you made against the Epstein victims' compensation fund, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: in fact, Mr. Edwards was instrumental in setting up that fund,
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  Speaker 1: wasn't he? Answer, I'm not sure. Question, is he here
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  Speaker 1: with you today? Answer, yes, he's here. Question, is he
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  Speaker 1: in the courtroom? Answer, um. Question, have you consulted with
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  Speaker 1: him concerning your appearance here? Ms. Pomerantz, objection, Your Honor.
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  Speaker 1: The court sustained. Question, that statement that you made in
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  Speaker 1: the courtroom or courthouse was after Epstein died, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and you and a number of other people accusing Epstein
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  Speaker 1: of abuse were invited by a judge in this courthouse
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  Speaker 1: named Judge Berman to speak publicly, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: And you took that opportunity to speak publicly. Answer, yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And you spoke publicly with regard to Jeffrey Epstein, correct? Answer, yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: You did not speak with regard to Glenn Maxwell. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I did not. Question. And right after the very day
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  Speaker 1: that you made the statement, that was the first time
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  Speaker 1: that you sat down with the government in connection with
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  Speaker 1: things that you are testifying to today, correct? Answer, yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And right after you sat down with the government, which
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  Speaker 1: was right after you had spoken publicly, you appeared on
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  Speaker 1: television with regard to your allegations, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and you appeared on television with other women who had
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  Speaker 1: been present during the public court appearance, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and there were about six of you who were featured
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  Speaker 1: on a television show, correct? Answer, yes. Question, talking about
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  Speaker 1: your allegations against Jeffrey Epstein, correct? Answer, yes. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: you all appeared as a sisterhood of accusers against Jeffrey Epstein. Answer, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: is that a question? Question, yes. Answer, did we appear
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  Speaker 1: as a sisterhood? Question, yes. Answer, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it came across to other people. Question, well, you were
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  Speaker 1: somewhat affectionate to one another on the show, weren't you? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I suppose so. Question, you were supportive of one another
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  Speaker 1: on the show, correct? Answer, yeah, I had just met them, so... Question, well,
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  Speaker 1: you had met them for the very first time that day? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I think it may have been at the court appearance,
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  Speaker 1: which may have been the day before. Question, and you
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  Speaker 1: continued maintaining contact with some of them, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you would be on chat groups with them for a
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  Speaker 1: period of time? Answer, actually, I was only on the
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  Speaker 1: chat group for a very small amount of time. I
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  Speaker 1: left the chat group. Question, but nonetheless, for at least
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  Speaker 1: a small period of time, you were involved in the
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  Speaker 1: chat group with other individuals, other women, who claim they
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  Speaker 1: were abused by Jeffrey Epstein, correct? Answer, yes. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: you also maintain contact with an individual named Virginia Roberts, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and you and Virginia are represented by the same attorney,
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  Speaker 1: Bradley Edwards. Answer, I don't know who represents Virginia. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you never have spoken to her about that at all? Pomerantz. Objection,
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  Speaker 1: Your Honor. Judge Nathan Grounds. Pomerantz. Hearsay. The court sustained. Question.
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  Speaker 1: You're aware that your attorney wrote a book about your
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  Speaker 1: case and the case of others while he was representing you, correct? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And you read that book, didn't you? Answer. I have
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  Speaker 1: not read the book. Question. But you knew that you
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  Speaker 1: were going to be included in that book, correct? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: To my knowledge... Those only, I think there were only
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  Speaker 1: one sentence about me. I don't think there's anything about
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  Speaker 1: my details of anything. Question, did you give permission to
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  Speaker 1: your attorney to be referenced or written about in that book? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: so before it was published, you knew that some of
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  Speaker 1: your story was going to be in that book, correct? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe any of my story is in the book. Question,
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  Speaker 1: do you have a private practice where you're a music therapist? Answer, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: could you repeat? Question. Do you have a private practice
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  Speaker 1: in which you're a music therapist? Answer. I see people
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  Speaker 1: on an hourly basis. Question. And you do that in California? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: I do. Question. And are you required to be licensed
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  Speaker 1: to hold yourself out as a music therapist? Answer. No. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Do you collect monies from insurance by your clients? Answer. No. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Is it all cash or check? Answer. Yes. Question. Now
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  Speaker 1: you've testified that there was a period of time, I
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  Speaker 1: think upwards of 10 years, that you used drugs, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you used cocaine, correct? Yes. Question, you used sleeping pills, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and you also used alcohol, correct? Answer, yes. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: it's your testimony that you abused those substances, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: to point where? After approximately 10 years of use, you
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  Speaker 1: decided you no longer wanted to engage in that, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and you've lived a sober life since then, correct? Answer, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I have. Question, and that, in part, is what you're
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  Speaker 1: promoting with your foundation, weren't you? Answer, I would say
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  Speaker 1: it's what we're attracting, not what we're promoting. Question, I apologize.
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  Speaker 1: I don't mean promoting. I mean promoting sobriety and support
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  Speaker 1: for women who also had addictions. Answer, I think that's
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  Speaker 1: what we offer or what we offered when the foundation
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  Speaker 1: was still going. Question, understood. Answer, yeah. Question, fair to say,
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  Speaker 1: that using and abusing those substances over a 10-year period
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  Speaker 1: has had an impact on your memory, correct? Answer, it
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  Speaker 1: has not had an impact on the memories that I
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  Speaker 1: have always had. Question, the memories that you have always
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  Speaker 1: had are your personal memories, correct? Answer, yes. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: memories based on your perception of experiences, correct? Answer, well,
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  Speaker 1: they're just based on my experience. Question, but you testified
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  Speaker 1: today about experiences during a period of time where you
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  Speaker 1: were abusing drugs, correct? Answer, the memories that I testified
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  Speaker 1: to were at periods when I was always sober because
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  Speaker 1: I was always required to not take drugs and not
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  Speaker 1: to be drunk around Ghislaine and Jeffrey. Question, because you
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  Speaker 1: knew that they did not tolerate drug use, correct? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: that was what was required. Question, you knew that they
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  Speaker 1: did not tolerate drug use, correct? Answer, that's just what
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  Speaker 1: they asked for me. I didn't know what their tolerance
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  Speaker 1: was outside of that. So during the period of time
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  Speaker 1: that you were with them, you weren't snorting cocaine? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you were just able to go cold turkey during those
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  Speaker 1: periods of time, correct? Answer, yes. Question, and afterwards, you
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  Speaker 1: went right back to your habit of using cocaine, using alcohol,
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  Speaker 1: using sleeping pills. Answer, I was a periodic drug abuser. Question,
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  Speaker 1: but nonetheless, your periodic drug use had a negative impact
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  Speaker 1: on your life, didn't it? Answer, yes. Question, enough to
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  Speaker 1: the point where you wanted to end that type of
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  Speaker 1: behavior so you could go forward as a sober person. Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: now you've testified that you met Ghislaine at her home
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  Speaker 1: on Kinnerton Street when you were 17 years old, correct? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I testified that I thought I was around that age, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and I think you said, when asked to do the math,
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  Speaker 1: that it was approximately 1994, correct? Answer, yes. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: it was during the period of time, 1994, around the
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  Speaker 1: age of 17, that you went to Glane's home with
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  Speaker 1: the Red Door, across from Nag's Pub, on Kinnerton Street, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and that is where you met Epstein, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: now there came a point where, well, during this period
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  Speaker 1: of time, were you still involved with that prominent older
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  Speaker 1: gentleman who had introduced you to Ghislaine? Answer, no, we
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  Speaker 1: had become friends. Question, you have had an on and
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  Speaker 1: off friendship or a dating situation with him for a
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  Speaker 1: period of time? Answer, we were really just friends. Question, friends,
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  Speaker 1: that took you to Paris, correct? Answer, no, when I
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  Speaker 1: was dating him, he took me to Paris. Question, he
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  Speaker 1: also hosted you at his weekend home, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and you've also dated other men, correct? Answer, yeah, I've
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  Speaker 1: dated other men. In fact, you've even married one of
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  Speaker 1: the men. that you dated, correct? Question, are you asking
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  Speaker 1: me if I've been married? Answer, well, I'll start. Have
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  Speaker 1: you been married? Answer, yes. Question, did you marry a
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  Speaker 1: prominent restaurateur? Answer, I married a man who owned two restaurants. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and you were married during the period of time that
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  Speaker 1: you say you were with Glenn Maxwell and Epstein, correct? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: can you explain? When you say I was with them,
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  Speaker 1: what do you mean? Question, well, you testified about spending
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  Speaker 1: time with them at the Kinnerton residence in Belgravia, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you also testified that you came to a point where
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  Speaker 1: you also spent time with them in the United States, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: when did you get married? Answer, I got married, I
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  Speaker 1: think I was 23. Question, you were 23? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: think so. Question, you've also told the government at various
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  Speaker 1: times that you were married at 18 or 19? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall that. Question, that you were married at
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  Speaker 1: 20 or 21? Answer, I don't recall that. Question, that
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  Speaker 1: you were married during the time of the World Trade
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  Speaker 1: Center disaster? Answer, I don't recall that. Question, in fact,
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  Speaker 1: there came a time where you were in the United
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  Speaker 1: States and didn't make it back to London? while your
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  Speaker 1: husband was waiting for you at the airport. Is that correct? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: When you say I didn't make it, what do you mean? Question.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't you have a situation where you told the government
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  Speaker 1: that you missed your flight? Answer. I did not get
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  Speaker 1: on my flight. Question. You did not get on your flight.
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  Speaker 1: You met a man named Kevin and you went home
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  Speaker 1: with him. Answer. Yes. Ms. Pomerantz, objection, Your Honor. The
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  Speaker 1: court sustained. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up
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  Speaker 1: right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to pick up where we left off. All
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  Speaker 1: the information that goes with this episode can be found
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