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The Kenny Report | 16 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks Ed, and thanks for
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  Speaker 2: joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Angus Taylor's alternative policy platform strikes a chord with voters,
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  Speaker 3: while Pauline Hansen dines out on criticism from the elites.
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  Speaker 3: Outgoing Senator Jonathan Dunham joins me with a new Middle
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  Speaker 3: East piece, Steel in the offing, and more United Nations
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  Speaker 3: staff sacked in Gaza over links to Hummas. I'll cross
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  Speaker 3: to Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister, Sharon Haskell and get the latest.
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  Speaker 3: Also from Kristen Tate in the US, and speaking of war,
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  Speaker 3: you won't believe the weapons that our soldiers are being
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  Speaker 3: trained to make. Also Tim Blair, Cusi O'Brien and Stephen
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  Speaker 3: Sener tempo on Shark Cuhls and the fire the Lyre campaign.
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  Speaker 3: The One Nation juggernaut continues to dominate federal politics and
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  Speaker 3: national debate, and the backlash against Arline Hanson follows a
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  Speaker 3: familiar pattern. Rather than come up with alternatives, attack specific policies,
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  Speaker 3: or engage in debate, we often get the same old abuse,
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  Speaker 3: the sort of political demonization that just ends up being
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  Speaker 3: win beneath the wings of those who are targeted. We've
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  Speaker 3: seen this play out strongly with Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I have.
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  Speaker 5: Thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's so blatantly stupid.
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  Speaker 6: He's a punk, he's a dog, he's a pig, he's
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  Speaker 6: a can a bullet artist.
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to punch him in the face.
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  Speaker 4: My ankle change because I'll need to learn to speak Spanish,
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  Speaker 4: because I will move to Spain or somewhere. It's beyond
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  Speaker 4: my comprehension if Trump won, It's just.
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  Speaker 2: It's too crazy, too crazy.
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  Speaker 7: How and.
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  Speaker 3: Now Hanson in Australia, well, she's getting similar treatment, but
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  Speaker 3: it tends only to drive more supporters to her and
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  Speaker 3: it certainly doesn't phase her, as she showed this morning
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  Speaker 3: with Ben Fordham on two GB.
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  Speaker 8: We know you've got lots of fans and look, I
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  Speaker 8: can show you some of the text messages that are
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  Speaker 8: coming in right now from a whole range of people.
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  Speaker 8: But it sounds like the celebrity chef Neil Perry, he's
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  Speaker 8: not a Pauline Hanson fan. He's been asked about you
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  Speaker 8: during an interview. This is Neil Perry, the celebrity chef.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think Pauline could be Prime Minister of Australia.
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  Speaker 7: I wouldn't think so, but if she is, I won't
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  Speaker 7: be living in Australia.
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  Speaker 8: Neil Perry reckons you'll leave the country if you become.
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  Speaker 5: Prime ministrant, so that doesn't worry me.
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  Speaker 8: I couldn't care less.
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  Speaker 3: Hanson is pretty committed to her own recipe for the nation,
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  Speaker 3: one that hasn't really changed in thirty years. Still for
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  Speaker 3: the coalition, if the real way to see off one
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  Speaker 3: Nation and the Albanyese Labour government is to argue for
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  Speaker 3: decent policies, then the latest polling shows Angus Taylor has
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  Speaker 3: made a good start. The policy prescription that the opposition
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  Speaker 3: leader laid out in his budget in reply has been
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  Speaker 3: met with widespread public approval. According to the latest polling
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  Speaker 3: from Resolve in the nine media newspapers, on limiting immigration
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  Speaker 3: numbers to housing supply, forty two percent of respondents support
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  Speaker 3: the move, while less than half as many oppose it,
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  Speaker 3: with others of course undecided. On indexation of personal income
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  Speaker 3: tax rates, there is forty six percent approval and only
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  Speaker 3: nine percent opposed, and more than half of the people's
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  Speaker 3: support extending the life of coal fired power stations to
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  Speaker 3: keep prices down and supplies up, while forty eight percent
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  Speaker 3: favor new generation sources including nuclear and only eighteen percent
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  Speaker 3: are opposed. Almost half of all respondents support restrainsting welfare
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  Speaker 3: payments to non citizens, a move opposed by only twenty
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  Speaker 3: five percent, and unsurprisingly, forty two percent of voters favor
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  Speaker 3: getting rid of Labour's negative gearing and capital gains tax changes,
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  Speaker 3: with only seventeen percent of people wanting to stick with
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  Speaker 3: the policies Labor broke promises to introduce. That's a big
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  Speaker 3: endorsement for Taylor's policy agenda and the anger over Labour's
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  Speaker 3: broken promises is a long way from losing steam.
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  Speaker 2: As we saw on Breakfast TV, there's a.
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  Speaker 9: Point in which Australians have this.
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  Speaker 10: You didn't give it to people at the last election.
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  Speaker 10: That is, you didn't give it to people at the
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  Speaker 10: last election. You lied before the Australian before the last election.
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  Speaker 10: You're now going through and what Austrainants get to have
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  Speaker 10: their say?
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  Speaker 3: Too many week books a taking on labor. At the moment,
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  Speaker 3: it's not that hard. The broken promises and the tax
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  Speaker 3: rabs have made it pretty easy. Mainstream laid back comedian
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  Speaker 3: and television host Dave Hughes has become a key barometer
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  Speaker 3: of the public mood.
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  Speaker 1: What's that, Skippy?
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  Speaker 11: What's that?
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  Speaker 1: What's that?
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  Speaker 2: What elbow did was UnAustralian. Yeah, you're right, clever kangaroo Hay.
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  Speaker 3: There is a sentiment to tap into. There isn't there.
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  Speaker 3: Even Skippy can see that. And the way forward, the
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  Speaker 3: way forward for the Coalition is obviously offering better policies.
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  Speaker 2: Not getting into arguments with one nation.
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  Speaker 3: Senator James Patterson has echoed that advice, telling colleagues not
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  Speaker 3: to get into media debates about one nation because that
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  Speaker 3: only helps labor and one nation. And in the Northern
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  Speaker 3: Territory today Taylor kept labor in his sites.
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  Speaker 12: This is a government that wants to impose taxes my
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  Speaker 12: small businesses, on people saving, on people investing, and they're
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  Speaker 12: imposing rising income taxes on everybody driven by their home
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  Speaker 12: grain inflation. If they take those taxes away, Australians will
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  Speaker 12: be better off. It will take pressure off them. Australians
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  Speaker 12: are feeling the pressure right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the opposition leader is yet to see much return
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  Speaker 3: in the opinion polls, but the Coalition does seem to
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  Speaker 3: have been nudged in the right direction, and there are
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  Speaker 3: already plenty of encouraging signs about the policies they've put
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  Speaker 3: forward so far. While we're on one nation, let's look
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  Speaker 3: at the sort of craziness from our political leadership and
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  Speaker 3: institutions that helps to drive people to vote for one
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  Speaker 3: nation because they're railing against the direction of the country
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  Speaker 3: and what they see is the uniparty political consensus. Pauline
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  Speaker 3: Hansen has highlighted a Defense Force media post that highlights
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  Speaker 3: indigenous weapon making. I kid you not, while under Orcus
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  Speaker 3: we're spending hundreds of billions of dollars hoping to get
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  Speaker 3: nuclear powered, stealthy submarines with the most sophisticated weaponry available,
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  Speaker 3: have a look at this. Our Defense Force personnel are
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  Speaker 3: being trained in how to make indigenous weapons, including spears,
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  Speaker 3: clubs and axes. The Defense Australia article says Australian Army
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  Speaker 3: personnel learned the art of indigenous weapon making during Exercise
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  Speaker 3: Green Skin. This included finding correct trees to make craft clubs, spears, axes,
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  Speaker 3: and coolermonts apparently a type of bowl. Pretty astounding stuff,
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  Speaker 3: isn't it. This was part of a four day Defense
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  Speaker 3: Force course and one Nation leader Pauline Hansen has lashed out,
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  Speaker 3: saying the Department of Defense has been caught forcing soldiers
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  Speaker 3: to craft indigenous spears instead of practicing modern day war fighting.
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  Speaker 3: I hope spears and clubs aren't our new plan for
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  Speaker 3: defense instead of weapons and drones.
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  Speaker 2: It's a fair point.
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  Speaker 3: On the bright side, spears and clubs are cheap and
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  Speaker 3: they're a fair chance to be delivered on time.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I want you to take your mind.
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  Speaker 3: Back to the horrors of October seventh, twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 3: when thousands of Hummus terrorists and their Palestinian supporters stormed
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  Speaker 3: out of Gaza through the border fence with Israel and
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  Speaker 3: invaded Israeli towns, villages, and kibbutzen. It was one of
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  Speaker 3: the most vile and barbaric terror attacks of all time.
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  Speaker 2: Women were raped, babies mutilated.
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  Speaker 3: The elderly, young, young girls, whole families all tortured, murdered, violated.
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  Speaker 3: Twelve hundred were killed, and hundreds more were kidnapped and tortured,
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  Speaker 3: some killed.
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  Speaker 2: Eventually freed two years later.
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  Speaker 3: The reason I mentioned this is that allegations were raised
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  Speaker 3: back then about United Nations workers being involved in these
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  Speaker 3: terror attacks.
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  Speaker 2: The un Relief and Works.
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  Speaker 3: Agency or UNRA, is the arm that delivers unaid in
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  Speaker 3: Gaza and the West Bank. It's done so for decades
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  Speaker 3: and it's often been accused of working with terror groups.
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  Speaker 3: Australia sends aid to the Palestinian territories through UNRA. Labour
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  Speaker 3: doubled that amount from ten million dollars a year to
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  Speaker 3: twenty million dollars a year and back. In twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 3: after those allegations were made, the un sacked seven people
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  Speaker 3: from UNRA for being involved in the October the seventh atrocities.
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  Speaker 3: So an organization that gets taxpayers money from Australia was
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  Speaker 3: involved in horrific Islamist extremist terrorism against Israel. At the time,
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  Speaker 3: Australia halted its funding, but within three months Foreign Minister
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  Speaker 3: Pennywong reinstated it, saying all the problems and concerns had
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  Speaker 3: been fixed.
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  Speaker 7: The best available current advice from agencies and the Australian
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  Speaker 7: government lawyers is that UNRA is not a terrorist organization
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  Speaker 7: and that existing and additional safeguards sufficiently protect Australian taxpayer funding.
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  Speaker 7: The Australian government is now finalizing an updated funding agreement
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  Speaker 7: that will include stringent conditions such as guarantees of staff
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  Speaker 7: neutrality and confidence in supply chains.
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  Speaker 3: Well, fast forward to last week and the US AID
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  Speaker 3: organization notified the State Department of one hundred and one
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  Speaker 3: current or former UNREST staff who they believed should be
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  Speaker 3: disbarred or suspended because of links to Hummas or their
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  Speaker 3: roles in the October the seventh atrocities, and now just
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  Speaker 3: a week later, more departures from UNRA. The UN has
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  Speaker 3: announced that seventy UNRA workers have been dismissed fired from
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  Speaker 3: the aid agency after these accusations from Israel and the
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  Speaker 3: UN Watch organization that they were affiliated with Hummas. Seventy
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  Speaker 3: workers dismissed. The UN isn't saying much, but seventy more
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  Speaker 3: people dismissed after concerns were raised about links to the
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  Speaker 3: bloodthirsty Islamist.
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  Speaker 2: Terrorist group of Hummas.
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  Speaker 3: I repeat, twenty million dollars of your tax dollars go
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  Speaker 3: to UNRA every year, plus extra millions for emergency relief
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  Speaker 3: here and there and within the UNRA all along there
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  Speaker 3: have been terrorist operatives.
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  Speaker 2: What a sickening.
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  Speaker 3: Misuse of your money in the name of our country. Typically,
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  Speaker 3: this disgrace has not been reported by most media. I
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  Speaker 3: asked the Office of Foreign Minister Penny Wong whether Australia
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  Speaker 3: is reconsidering this funding in light of the latest developments.
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  Speaker 3: They said a response from the Department of Foreign Affairs
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  Speaker 3: saying they expect UNRA to investigate any credible allegations and
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  Speaker 3: there can be no tolerance for members of a terrorist
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  Speaker 3: organization to be working for UNRA. But the fact is
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  Speaker 3: there has been such tolerance at least seventy seven such
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  Speaker 3: cases school teachers and medical staff and the like who
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  Speaker 3: are also.
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  Speaker 2: Humm us terrorists and leaders.
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  Speaker 3: And they still got twenty million dollars a year from
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  Speaker 3: Australian taxpayers.
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  Speaker 2: And then we wonder why peace is so elusive in
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  Speaker 2: the Middle East.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to the Shadow Immigration and Home Affairs Minister,
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  Speaker 3: Jonathan Dunham joining us from Hobart.
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan, thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: First up, just on that, is it timed Australia cease
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  Speaker 3: all funding to UNRUN until there's a clear bill of
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  Speaker 3: health on what its operatives are doing in Gaza.
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  Speaker 9: I think that's a very reasonable request, Chris.
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  Speaker 13: The idea that we would be providing funding to an
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  Speaker 13: organization that is spending money in a way that would
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  Speaker 13: be inconsistent with what most Australians think is right. Is
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  Speaker 13: something the government should look at and say, well, hang on,
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  Speaker 13: maybe we should pull back. So I think it's entirely
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  Speaker 13: reasonable to say cease funding until we have absolute clarity
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  Speaker 13: we're not supporting those who are in fact our enemies.
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  Speaker 13: So why they continue funding this, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Now you must be very pleased please about that polling
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  Speaker 3: from the nine media newspapers about the policies prescription you've
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  Speaker 3: put forward where Angus Taylor and the Carlish and get
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  Speaker 3: a lot of support for getting rid of those new
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  Speaker 3: tax increases, the broken promises of labor, but also doing
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  Speaker 3: more on energy security and indexation of tax rates.
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  Speaker 13: Well, those polling results talk to some thing that we've
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  Speaker 13: known about for a while, and I've been very clear
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  Speaker 13: on a number of interviews I've done over the last
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  Speaker 13: few days.
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  Speaker 9: The first nine months of this term we wasted. We
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  Speaker 9: did not.
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  Speaker 13: Do what we needed to do when it came to
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  Speaker 13: indicating to the Australian voting public that we heard what
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  Speaker 13: they were saying to us after we so badly lost
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  Speaker 13: the last election, and what we've been doing under Angus
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  Speaker 13: since the change of leadership is putting out their policies
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  Speaker 13: that deal with issues people are struggling with at the moment,
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  Speaker 13: and of course whether it's in migration, whether it's energy,
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  Speaker 13: whether it is in relation to cost of living and
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  Speaker 13: therefore how much tax people the government are taking out
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  Speaker 13: of people's pockets, those other things.
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  Speaker 9: We need to be focusing on what we need to do.
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  Speaker 13: Now to continue to capitalize on the good work Angus
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  Speaker 13: has overseen in the coalition is to keep selling the
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  Speaker 13: message about what our policies mean and how much better
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  Speaker 13: Australians will be under our plan. So they are great numbers,
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  Speaker 13: but gee, we've got a lot of work to do.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Look, there's a very strong immunity feeling of antipathy towards
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  Speaker 3: the government over the broken promises and Anthony Albanezi in
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  Speaker 3: particular for breaking his word one nation of picking up
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  Speaker 3: on it. Here's the ad they're going to be showing
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  Speaker 3: during State of Origin tomorrow night.
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  Speaker 15: Always been a man of my word, or we have
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  Speaker 15: no plans to change negative caring, or we've changed our position.
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  Speaker 9: I stepped back one step. I didn't fall off the state.
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  Speaker 15: See, reception was incredibly positive and not a single person
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  Speaker 15: Heckle reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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  Speaker 2: That's a fool out life. My word is my bond.
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  Speaker 3: But a canny report to editing in there as familiar
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  Speaker 3: stuff to viewers of this program. But you must really
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  Speaker 3: sense a long way out from the next election. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: there's all sorts of confusion about, you know, polling between
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  Speaker 3: yourselves and one Nation, but the anti labor sentiment must
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  Speaker 3: be so strong in the elector do you sense that?
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  Speaker 9: Without questions? And can I say game on?
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  Speaker 13: This is where we're as liberals and Nationals, the coalition
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  Speaker 13: need to actually come together.
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  Speaker 9: And do what it is you've just shown us one
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  Speaker 9: Nation are doing.
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  Speaker 13: There is a huge amount of anger, resentment, antipathy toward
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  Speaker 13: the government over broken promises. Here's our chance to make
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  Speaker 13: our case about why people should vote for us, why
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  Speaker 13: we should be able to have their trust restored in us.
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  Speaker 9: And that is a very clever campaign there from one
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  Speaker 9: nation and you're.
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  Speaker 3: Suggesting soy to interrupt your suggesting one nation.
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  Speaker 2: To giving you the lead there, No, certainly not.
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  Speaker 9: What we have to do is continue doing what we're doing.
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  Speaker 13: They've had a very successful fundraising campaign over the last
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  Speaker 13: week or so and they're now spending that money in
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  Speaker 13: a very clever way. But from budget reply, from Angus's
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  Speaker 13: first day as opposition leader, he's been out pointing these
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  Speaker 13: things out.
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  Speaker 9: We have a job ahead of us with our question.
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  Speaker 13: No one is denying that, but we've got to do
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  Speaker 13: more of what you've just shown us when it comes
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  Speaker 13: to communicating in creative ways to make sure people know
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  Speaker 13: that well, if you are dismantled with this government, here's
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  Speaker 13: a set of policies when it comes to immigration, energy
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  Speaker 13: taxation and the like where you can park your vote
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  Speaker 13: and you'll get a better outcome.
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  Speaker 3: Tell me, Jonathan, why are you retiring from politics at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the year. It seems to me that
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  Speaker 3: you're on the up and up. You're really only just
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  Speaker 3: starting to cut through as a federal politician and you're
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  Speaker 3: the sort of articulate voice that the coalition needs.
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  Speaker 9: Well.
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  Speaker 13: As Albert Hubbert once said, graveyards are full of people
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  Speaker 13: we cannot go on without. And you know, I've committed
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  Speaker 13: twenty five years of my life too liberal politics in
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  Speaker 13: this country. I've got three boys not so young anymore,
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  Speaker 13: I mean seventeen, fifteen and eleven, but at a point
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  Speaker 13: in their lives that actually do need me around and
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  Speaker 13: they've given up a lot for me to continue to
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  Speaker 13: do this. I think at this point in time, given
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  Speaker 13: the amount of effort, time and energy it's taken for
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  Speaker 13: my family, that is the right decision.
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  Speaker 2: Is that what it's all about?
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  Speaker 3: Being there for family mills, being there for weekend sport?
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  Speaker 3: Is that what it's all about?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely it is. Let me tell you a little story.
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  Speaker 13: On Sunday morning, I went out early to collect the
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  Speaker 13: local newspaper, the Sunday Tasmania that broke the story about
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  Speaker 13: my retirement, and I bought three copies for my sons
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  Speaker 13: and I put them out for them to find in
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  Speaker 13: the morning. In the morning, when my youngest son, Spencer
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  Speaker 13: woke up, he was hurt to be reading the paper
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  Speaker 13: and his comments when he read that article was I
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  Speaker 13: never thought this.
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  Speaker 9: Day would come, So, Yes, it is about my family.
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  Speaker 13: It is hard to give up something I've been committed
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  Speaker 13: to for my entire adult life. My professional life today
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  Speaker 13: has been about the Liberal Party. It's been about what
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  Speaker 13: we believe in and it is a massive decision for
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  Speaker 13: me to walk away from that. But I'm doing that
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  Speaker 13: for three boys I've been largely absent from and I
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  Speaker 13: know there's a degree of cynicism or politicians stepping away
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  Speaker 13: for family reasons. I can tell you now straight down
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  Speaker 13: the lens. It is about them and I will never
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  Speaker 13: regret this decision. I've given this job everything and I
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  Speaker 13: look back with the degree of pride. But also I
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  Speaker 13: know I'm letting my team down by not being around
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  Speaker 13: to fight every election for him here on in. But
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  Speaker 13: I've got to do what's right for my boys and
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  Speaker 13: that's what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: There are plenty of mothers and fathers watching now, Jonathan
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  Speaker 3: who would agree.
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  Speaker 2: I think that you'll never regret it.
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  Speaker 3: So congratulations and on the foot of catching up again,
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  Speaker 3: thank you, Jonathan Dunham. They're the liberal senator from Tasmania
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  Speaker 3: who was going to give it away later this year.
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  Speaker 3: Now I want to catch up with Tim Blair from
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  Speaker 3: the Daily Telegraph. Face joins us from Broken Hill. Mate,
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  Speaker 3: you're gone fossecking in Broken Hill this week.
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  Speaker 16: Yes, I'm coming to you live from the kitchen of
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  Speaker 16: our very close friend Jack Marx, a fellow obviously a
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  Speaker 16: writer at The Australia. And yeah, I can vouch for
• 19:56
  Speaker 16: Broken Hill's great value was the jurist destination. I've been
• 19:59
  Speaker 16: his several ti and please everyone get in your gray
• 20:02
  Speaker 16: nomad vehicles and come and have a look.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I read the other day you had another earth
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: tremor around Broken Hill.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I've been through a couple of times myself. I need
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: to take my boys there.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: I think you can do a tour underground, which would
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: be fantastic.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Let's bring you though all the way to.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: The coast and back to the shark debate. I'm interested
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: in your thoughts on the shark debate after that horrible
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: attack on the weekend, that young mother is still in
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: hospital fighting for a life, and the debate about culling
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: sparking up again. Your paper, the Daily Telegraph has polled
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: people and most people support some sort of a.
• 20:36
  Speaker 16: Cull Absolutely, there is a broad and it's been long
• 20:42
  Speaker 16: standing along developing. There's a broad anti human element in
• 20:46
  Speaker 16: modern society that will hold that, for example, sharks have
• 20:49
  Speaker 16: their territory. We should yield to the primacy of the shark. No,
• 20:54
  Speaker 16: because by the same logic we would yield to bacteria.
• 20:58
  Speaker 16: You know, it's funguses world wherever living in it. You
• 21:00
  Speaker 16: know the reason that we've reached the condition that we've reached,
• 21:04
  Speaker 16: this elevated, you know, incredible situation for humankind with extended
• 21:10
  Speaker 16: living spans on is because we've largely kept nature at bay,
• 21:14
  Speaker 16: the worst elements of nature. And now we've reached a
• 21:16
  Speaker 16: point in that societal evolution where we're not only keeping
• 21:19
  Speaker 16: nature at baby, but we're also keeping nature alive. There
• 21:22
  Speaker 16: is a balance here. We can keep enough shark's life
• 21:25
  Speaker 16: to make shark people happy while culling enough of them
• 21:29
  Speaker 16: to make us safe. And we've got horrific events like
• 21:33
  Speaker 16: this occurring, genuinely terrible, unimaginably bloody events. We've got to
• 21:39
  Speaker 16: take action. Culling is basically the start of it.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we don't let taipans and tiger snakes
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: wander around in our city parklands, right, We're clear them
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: out of there. There's other places where they're left alone.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: And even if you netted, I think netting is largely
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: the answer rather than culling, although culing could have a.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Role, but if you net all the pop.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Fill of beaches in the whole of this country, it
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: still wouldn't amount to sort of one percent of our coastline.
• 22:07
  Speaker 16: Netting works, we know this just through the history of
• 22:11
  Speaker 16: them in Sydney alone. Obviously in other states they use
• 22:15
  Speaker 16: more aggressive methods, various line baitings and some but netting. Historically,
• 22:22
  Speaker 16: it functions, It works as a predictive measure. Can't go
• 22:25
  Speaker 16: past it. But coming when numbers are getting too severe
• 22:28
  Speaker 16: and the individual sharks are becoming too aggressive, Culling's the goat.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Now I want to get your thoughts on one nation.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: I thought this was, you know, sort of redolent of
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Trump derangement syndrome when we heard about the celebrity chef
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Neil Perry.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Have a listen again.
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: This is Neil Perry, the celebrity chef.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Do you think Pauline could be Prime Minister of Australia.
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: I wouldn't think so.
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: But if she is, I won't be living in Australia.
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: Neil Perry reckons you'll leave the country if you become primaristinct.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: That doesn't worry me.
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: I couldn't care less.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I wonder where he'd go to. Maybe the Trump's America.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: It's not a lot of options.
• 23:09
  Speaker 16: I mean I put together a list, you know, a
• 23:11
  Speaker 16: decade ago of all the celebrities who said that would
• 23:14
  Speaker 16: leave in twenty sixteen. If Trump was elected, not a
• 23:16
  Speaker 16: single one left, none of them. It's an I realized
• 23:21
  Speaker 16: that that Neil Perry has perhaps a wider range of options.
• 23:25
  Speaker 16: But if we found out.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's why Trump bring the wall to keep all
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: the celebrities in.
• 23:31
  Speaker 16: If we just found out that Neil Perry had been
• 23:34
  Speaker 16: living in Europe the last five years, we wouldn't have
• 23:36
  Speaker 16: known the difference.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I asked Pauline today a private conversation, but I don't
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: think she'd mind me sharing it. I said, what about
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: we later in the week, if you've got time, I'll
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: take you to lunch at to Neil Perry's restaurant. Will
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: take the cameras and see what the reaction is. I
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: don't want anybody spending any money in his restaurants.
• 23:54
  Speaker 16: Now, well, that's that's get a free feed out of it.
• 23:59
  Speaker 16: That's always to go with additions to put some food
• 24:01
  Speaker 16: in front.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Ofm It's good.
• 24:03
  Speaker 16: Neil and and Pauline. She really bond over there. Sheared
• 24:07
  Speaker 16: culinary history. I know it's a different end of the market,
• 24:10
  Speaker 16: but come on.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Together, get him on the sandwich press.
• 24:15
  Speaker 16: Nay, he could work a shift there like like like
• 24:19
  Speaker 16: it could be the reverse of what Trump did working
• 24:21
  Speaker 16: at McDonald's. We could get Pauline doing a shift at
• 24:23
  Speaker 16: Neil Perry's restaurant, coming up with a bit of a
• 24:25
  Speaker 16: bit of a twist on some of his favorites and
• 24:27
  Speaker 16: brilliant stuff.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Now, speaking of cameras and One Nation, I want to
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: show this a little clip that one of Pauline Hanson's
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: staffers put together when he went under cover and an
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: anti One Nation protest.
• 24:39
  Speaker 17: Have a look, I'm going to undercovered all protest against
• 24:42
  Speaker 17: my boss, Pauline Hanson.
• 24:43
  Speaker 16: I'm going to get dressed like a true progressive.
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: I'm good to go at him. It's just a gracist
• 24:55
  Speaker 9: and homophobe and a transfer I agree.
• 24:59
  Speaker 17: I mean I wouldn't be here right.
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: Well, there's more people here in the.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Job and we're going to stop.
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: That by uniting under one Nations.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: He's not welcome here.
• 25:22
  Speaker 16: But it's been a big day process.
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: Nothing.
• 25:26
  Speaker 17: Come on, I haven't been doing anything around Socialist to.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Help him done.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: It's pretty funny stuff. Good on him. All the phobes
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: are out there.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 25:42
  Speaker 16: It was interesting your previous guest, John o'donaian, he actually
• 25:47
  Speaker 16: he used these words to describe One Nation's tactics at
• 25:50
  Speaker 16: the moment, successful, creative, and clever. All of those were
• 25:55
  Speaker 16: very accurate descriptions of one nation's various publicity campaigns or stunts,
• 26:00
  Speaker 16: what do you want to call them. They're all working
• 26:01
  Speaker 16: and it's been a hell of a long time since
• 26:03
  Speaker 16: anyone's used the words clever, successful, or creative to describe
• 26:07
  Speaker 16: anything from the Coalition. So this is just more of that,
• 26:09
  Speaker 16: and it makes watching TV fun.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty nimble stuff. You can have a bit
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: of fun while you're making serious points. Thanks for joining us, Tim,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: appreciate it, Tim Blair. They're alive from the Silver City
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: of Broken Hill. We're going to get to a break
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: on the other side with a new Middle East peace
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: steel in the offing.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: I'll cross to Kristen Tate in the US.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Kristin tatea in just a moment. But first, Donald Trump
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: is in France for the G seven. Here he is
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: speaking about the peace deal with Iran.
• 26:42
  Speaker 14: Yous all side and the strangers already partially opened. As
• 26:46
  Speaker 14: you know, they're doing a little hunting for a couple
• 26:49
  Speaker 14: of minds that they've already found. But it's essentially ships
• 26:55
  Speaker 14: are starting to go out now on Friday, it'll be
• 26:58
  Speaker 14: completely opened. We got along very well with Ran. It's
• 27:02
  Speaker 14: a different set of leaders.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Donald Trump is suggesting it's all saw and sealed
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: and delivered ahead of Friday's signing ceremony. But as I
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: put to Kristin, there's still a lot of detail missing.
• 27:15
  Speaker 11: Yes, and that's precisely why the markets are relieved. But
• 27:19
  Speaker 11: analysts and normal voters are a little bit cautious because
• 27:23
  Speaker 11: for months we have heard versions of this story before.
• 27:26
  Speaker 11: You know, obviously, for months Trump has been saying a
• 27:29
  Speaker 11: deal was close, Iron has been sitting a deal was close,
• 27:32
  Speaker 11: and then fighting resumed or negotiations stalled.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: The key difference this time is that there.
• 27:37
  Speaker 11: Does seem to be some sort of actual memorandum that.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Is going to be signed.
• 27:43
  Speaker 11: And this is more than just discussions about a potential
• 27:47
  Speaker 11: future agreement.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: This deal would, I guess, you.
• 27:50
  Speaker 11: Know, apparently extend the ceasefire, reopened the streets of hormouse,
• 27:56
  Speaker 11: and potentially lead to sanction relief if Ron complies with
• 28:00
  Speaker 11: the guardrails.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: That are put up, you know, about future.
• 28:04
  Speaker 11: Commitments with regard to any nuclear development at all. But
• 28:09
  Speaker 11: of course this is not you know, Trump is not
• 28:11
  Speaker 11: saying here that there is a detailed nuclear agreement in
• 28:14
  Speaker 11: place or anything like that. It's essentially extending the cease
• 28:18
  Speaker 11: fire and providing a framework for negotiations.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: To take place.
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: What I find most interesting, though, Chris, about these recent
• 28:25
  Speaker 11: developments is that Trump and Nan Yahoo seem to be
• 28:28
  Speaker 11: more distant and a little bit more icy than in
• 28:32
  Speaker 11: months past. We've seen Israel sort of distance itself a
• 28:35
  Speaker 11: bit from the US, and Trump has really pushed more
• 28:38
  Speaker 11: toward diplomacy, and that's likely because of the political pressure
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: he's getting here at home.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, if you're Benjamin and Yahoo, you'll be worried
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: that Donald Trump has sold out here before the key
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: aims have been fulfilled, one of those lest being the
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: eradication or elimination of any nuclear weapons program by Iran.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: He's the president on that topic, and the.
• 28:59
  Speaker 18: Main thing is will not have a different weapon. I
• 29:02
  Speaker 18: fully agree to that with strong policing bearers, and they
• 29:06
  Speaker 18: won't have to play a weapon, which is what it
• 29:09
  Speaker 18: was all about, because they probably would have used it
• 29:12
  Speaker 18: if they had it.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: We will say, Kristin, but if there is a guarantee
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: that there's no nuclear weapons program in Iran, given the
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: way its missile facilities have been battered, its proxies have
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: been debilitated in the Middle East, and if the strikes
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: are opened again, then then the Middle East will be
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: much more prosperous and secure, and certainly Israel will be
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: then they have been for decades.
• 29:37
  Speaker 11: Of course, the real test will be whether this can
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: be turned into a real agreement over the next sixty days.
• 29:44
  Speaker 11: I'm cautiously optimistic, as many people in the.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: US all right now.
• 29:49
  Speaker 11: But yes, Trump is facing a lot of political pressure
• 29:53
  Speaker 11: Chris to wrap this up and do so in a
• 29:55
  Speaker 11: way that prevents are On from getting a nuclear weapon,
• 29:58
  Speaker 11: but also eases gas pre is here at home and
• 30:01
  Speaker 11: shifts the conversation back to those domestic issues that are
• 30:04
  Speaker 11: so important to voters.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Now sticking on military matters. But a tragic event, and
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: that is the crash today of a US Air Force
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: B fifty two bomber. It's a part of a test program.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: These are an old aircraft, a nineteen sixties aircraft the
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Edwards Air Force Base in California.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: It was taking off from This.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Plane crashed not long after takeoff and eight crew members
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: were killed.
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: His the US Air Force today, Edward's Air Force Base
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: experienced a horrible tragedy and we lost eight great Americans.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: This crash is deemed to be unsurvivable and right now
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: our thoughts and prayers are with the families of those
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: that lost their loved ones. We don't have any indication
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: as to what the cause was of this. We won't
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: be able to release that information.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is terrible news. Christians.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: So many American service per so no sacrifice their lives
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: all over the world so often.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, this is of course tragic.
• 31:07
  Speaker 11: And you know the B fifty two, it's one of
• 31:09
  Speaker 11: the most striking examples of military modernization. This aircraft dates
• 31:13
  Speaker 11: back to the nineteen fifties and the Air Force just
• 31:16
  Speaker 11: keeps upgrading it because it can carry enormous payloads over
• 31:20
  Speaker 11: long distances, and it's expected to remain part of you know,
• 31:24
  Speaker 11: America's nuclear deterrent well into the middle of this century.
• 31:28
  Speaker 11: It's quite striking. This particular crash. It was tragic. It
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: happened during a modernization test program. That doesn't mean any
• 31:36
  Speaker 11: part of the modernization necessarily caused the crash. We still
• 31:39
  Speaker 11: don't know what caused this, but you know, that's something
• 31:42
  Speaker 11: that investigators will be closely looking at. But of course
• 31:45
  Speaker 11: this is very sad news. Eight American lives lost and
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: probably very patriotic Americans if they were on this plane.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, hats go out to those families and to all
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Americans over that loss. So I do want to go
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: to a more grandie ice and more patriotic display of
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: American military power. I've got to ask you about what
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: happened at the White House yesterday.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I hear some of it.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, this was something else, Tristan. This is more Donald
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Trump than Donald Trump himself.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was. It was pretty ethic. Chris.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 32:35
  Speaker 11: You know, the this happened on Trump's birthday as well
• 32:38
  Speaker 11: as Flag Day. We also have America's two hundred and
• 32:41
  Speaker 11: fiftieth anniversary approaching, so yeah, this was a very.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Trump way to celebrate all of that.
• 32:50
  Speaker 11: The UFC kind of took over the White House lawn,
• 32:53
  Speaker 11: and you know, I got no I've got no problem
• 32:56
  Speaker 11: with it. I also think, though, we need to celebrate
• 33:00
  Speaker 11: America's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary in other.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Ways that it educates Americans about our history. But this
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: was pretty glorious.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: It's pretty unreal. Are you a UFC fan?
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I am, you know, I'm not a fan.
• 33:16
  Speaker 11: I don't know much about it, but I enjoy watching
• 33:19
  Speaker 11: it from time to time.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: When I see these clips, it's entertaining.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: It's ataining a run a bit more bloodlust than I'm
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: used to.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Chris, and we'll catch you next week.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Chris UFC.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Now, with the un employing terrorists and Donald Trump doing
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: a deal with Iran, what does all this mean for Israel?
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I'll cross to Israel and catch up with a Deputy
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Foreign Minister.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Sharon Haskell next.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Israel's Prime minister has given his first statement since a
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: peace deal was announced between the US and Iran, Benjamin Netanya,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: who says his forces will remain in level and On
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: to combat Hesbala terrorists supported by Iran.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Despite the peace deal.
• 34:06
  Speaker 19: We will stay there as long as necessary. Iran wanted
• 34:09
  Speaker 19: us to retreat from there. It didn't happen. Do you
• 34:12
  Speaker 19: know why it didn't happen? Among other things, because I
• 34:14
  Speaker 19: stood very firmly. I was very decisive about this thing,
• 34:18
  Speaker 19: and I think that our American friends respect this decisiveness
• 34:21
  Speaker 19: and firm standing. We are staying there because we need
• 34:24
  Speaker 19: to protect the residents of the North.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Let's go to Israel and catch up. With Deputy Foreign
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Minister Sharon Haskell. Good to talk to you again, Sharon,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: I'm really really keen to get your perspective on this
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: piece steal.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: We don't know a lot about it.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: We know that Iran still has a large amount of
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: highly enriched uranium that is a threat to the world
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: and to Israel. Are you worried that Israel is being
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: sold out here by a US president desperate to get
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: a deal because of domestic political pressures.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: Look, I'll say this so the first thing, this is
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: not a piece steal. This is a negotiation frame that
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: is being signed. It means that this is a framework
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: for sixty days that will allow the movement in the
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: hormones strait and will allow sixty days for negotiations about
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: the issues who concern us all the most in an
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: international community, which is the enriched uranium that Iran holds
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: the nuclear program. To be honest, I don't think that
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: Trump will make the same mistake that Obama did with
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: the negotiation of the nuclear treaty and nuclear agreement that
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: Obama signed in the past. President Trump know where were
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: the soft points and where were the dangers for the
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: entire world? And that's why he canceled this agreement. So
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: to tell me that during those sixty days now of
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: negotia ciations, President Trump will signed the same agreement as Obama,
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: I think it is unlikely, but obviously we have our concerns.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, as much as this is a
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: danger for the entire world, we know that Iran puts
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: her eyes for the first line on Israel. There was
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: agreement towards the signing of the Memorandum of Understanding, and
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: already yesterday we have been attacked by Chris Bala numerous times,
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: not just once. And so you know, do I have
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: high expectation about this framework of negotiations.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: No.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: I hear what the Iranian ursy are sane. I read
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: their remarks and their comments and what is happening within
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: inside and also the intelligence report who are indicating that
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Iran is not ready to give up its nuclear program
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: or its nuclear enrichment.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: I would have thought, definitely, Foreign Minister, that two things
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: are very clear and they don't vote well for the future.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: One is that any deal that does not either neutralize
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: or remove all of Iran's nuclear weapons apparatus is no
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: good for Israel or the world. And also that Iran
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: has never shown any sense that it would abandon such
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: a program.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, Chris, You're absolutely right, and these are my concerns.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: You know, those sixty days, that doesn't mean that there's
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: an agreement in sealed. And President Trump have said again
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: and I heard that yesterday as well, that if Iran
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: does not comply with the nuclear needs and the restrictions
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: and whatever, there's always a military option still on the table.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: So it's important to understand what it is. It is
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: not a peace agreement, by a framework for negotiation towards
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: you know, a solution. Now, do we hope that there's
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: going to be zero enrichment zero for nuclear program?
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: Of course?
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: I mean this was the exact soft points. And you
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: know the problems with the agreement that Obama signed on
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: where the first thing is that it gave after a
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: few years you around, the capability of starting to enrich uranium. Now,
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: they do not abide by the rule. They break the
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: rule constantly, They've proved it. You have to have a
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: very tough mechanism of inspection as well, because you know,
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: they are not abiding by any agreement they sign until now.
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: And that's while we have many concerns.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Sorry, to interrupted, Sharon, I want to quickly run through
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: a few things to get a.
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  Speaker 2: Quick reaction from you.
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  Speaker 3: One is what our Prime minister has said about these
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  Speaker 3: developments today.
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  Speaker 15: Here he is we want to see this hold. We
• 38:55
  Speaker 15: have called for de escalation for some time. This has
• 38:57
  Speaker 15: had an impact on inflation right around the world, including
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  Speaker 15: of course here in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: A response to Anthony Aberaneze's comments and his role in
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  Speaker 3: all of this.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I think that there is only one force that
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  Speaker 5: needs to be spoken to and needs to be forced
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  Speaker 5: to put away their fanatical ideology that's been destroying in
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  Speaker 5: a chaotic way, in a violent way, the entire Middle East.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, even in the last month you've seen how
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  Speaker 5: he RAN's been attacking Kuwait and the UAE and the
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  Speaker 5: American basis Israel as well. So there is only one
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  Speaker 5: force that you need to turn and you have to
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  Speaker 5: speak about it very clearly and very openly, otherwise you
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  Speaker 5: let it slide away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't hear our Prime minister criticizing around too often.
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  Speaker 3: Let me get your response to to news that the
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  Speaker 3: United Nations has sacked another seventy staff members from ANRA
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  Speaker 3: after allegations were raised by your country and UN watch
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  Speaker 3: about HAMAS affiliation and terrorist affiliation. Are you happy that
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  Speaker 3: countries like Australia are still pumping millions of dollars into
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  Speaker 3: ANDRA when HAMAS is obviously deeply embedded in the organization.
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  Speaker 5: Look, this is too little, too late to be honest.
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  Speaker 5: Already almost two years ago we've sent a detailed report
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  Speaker 5: about hundreds of employees of ANDRA who are part of
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  Speaker 5: the commacist organization. The United Nations have turned a blind eye.
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  Speaker 5: I can tell you I went through parliaments, including the
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  Speaker 5: Australian Parliament to show them evidence already eight and seven
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  Speaker 5: years ago, all evidence how the money that Australian hardworking
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: families that are paying their taxes is being shipped into Gaza,
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  Speaker 5: into ANRA and is being used by a terrorist organization
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  Speaker 5: to kill and murder Jews and people turned away and
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: look the other way and can continuing to contribute to
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  Speaker 5: this terrorist organization. This will not stop. There's another option
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  Speaker 5: to give humanitarian aid and this is through any other
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  Speaker 5: humanitarian organization.
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  Speaker 3: But UNRU Deputy Foreign Minister, a big topic, but we're
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  Speaker 3: pressed for time.
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  Speaker 2: A quick answer please.
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  Speaker 3: Our Australian government is offering support to flotilla Gaza flotilla
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  Speaker 3: members who claim to have been tortured and even sexually
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  Speaker 3: abused by Israeli forces, will there be a proper investigation?
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  Speaker 5: Look to be honest, Chris, this is not going to help.
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  Speaker 5: Whether there is going to be an investigation or there
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  Speaker 5: isn't going to be investigation, whether we show the innocence
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  Speaker 5: and that they are literally lying, Okay, it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 5: because from our experience, the Australian government is going to
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: accuse Israel anyway. So let me just remind you about
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: the report about the World Central Kitchen where we have
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: opened up our military form to an independent investigation by
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  Speaker 5: an Australian military personnel that you've sent to Israel and
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: we have let him enter investigated our soldiers investigate.
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  Speaker 1: You know, during a time of foreign Just.
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  Speaker 5: One more sentence, and the reports showed that was unintentional.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: He wrote it in the last page that this event
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: was unintentional. And what if Penny Won did the first
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: declaration she said it was intentional. So you tell me,
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  Speaker 5: how is that going to help Israel? Regardless whether it
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: is you know, going to prove it, we are still
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: going to be accused by the foreign Minister probably.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us. I appreciate your time.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Sharon Haskill, Deputy Foreign Minister of Israel. We're going to
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: get to a break on the other side of that.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Cysia Broaden and Steven sent Tampa joined me talking about
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: the fire of the Liar campaign, among other things. Let's
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: go to our Tuesday panel now and joining us from
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Melbourne as ever Is News Corp National Education Editor Susi
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: O'Brien and two Double C breakfast radio host in Canbras
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  Speaker 3: Steven Center Tempo. Good to talk to you both. After
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks. I've got to go on this
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: fire the liar campaign.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we've all.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Joked and taunted politicians for years about being liars, Stephen,
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  Speaker 3: but this one really bites right because the whole country
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: can see it.
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  Speaker 20: No doubt about it. I think there's two important points
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  Speaker 20: here though. The first thing is is that it's one
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  Speaker 20: thing to read the polls and suggest that there's a
• 43:36
  Speaker 20: surge toward one's nation. It's another thing for somewhere in
• 43:39
  Speaker 20: the vicinity of seventy thousand Australians put their hand in
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  Speaker 20: their pocket in the middle of the cost of living
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  Speaker 20: crisis and hand money over to one nation. This says
• 43:47
  Speaker 20: that the movement is real and it's not going anywhere
• 43:50
  Speaker 20: anywhere anytime soon. But the other thing is is people
• 43:52
  Speaker 20: are now invested in it. So even if they start
• 43:55
  Speaker 20: to think, well, maybe paul En Hanson is not the
• 43:57
  Speaker 20: answer anymore, because they've forked out their own money, They're
• 44:00
  Speaker 20: probably going to stick with it because I don't want
• 44:01
  Speaker 20: to prove themselves wrong. But the other point I'd make
• 44:04
  Speaker 20: here is I don't know that it's smart to be
• 44:06
  Speaker 20: spending all this money on an attack AD two years
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  Speaker 20: out from the election. I know it's trying to drive
• 44:12
  Speaker 20: more donations, but I think it sort of highlights the
• 44:16
  Speaker 20: I guess the problem that I have in One Nation
• 44:19
  Speaker 20: is whether or not they're sophisticated enough to be an
• 44:21
  Speaker 20: alternative government. But they've certainly captured the nation and that's
• 44:25
  Speaker 20: got to be taken seriously.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Well, that's a perfect segue to go to Susie in Victoria,
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: because I think this is part of One Nation's strategy,
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: isn't it, Susie. They're not thinking about the next federal election.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: They get their eye on your state election this November.
• 44:41
  Speaker 17: Yeah, it's just going to be fascinating. I mean, I
• 44:44
  Speaker 17: think By the Liar is just such clever politicking. I'm
• 44:47
  Speaker 17: glad that it's not Ditch the Witch, though I really
• 44:50
  Speaker 17: don't like that one. But you know, we do remember
• 44:52
  Speaker 17: those kind of slogans, and you better believe that we
• 44:54
  Speaker 17: will hear this a lot over the next few months
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  Speaker 17: until the Victorian election, but also until the federal election.
• 45:01
  Speaker 17: And it's kind of that that got those kind of
• 45:03
  Speaker 17: snappy slogans like that, like whether it's it's time back
• 45:09
  Speaker 17: in the seventies or you know, Kevin O seven couldn't even.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Think of it.
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  Speaker 17: They're things that people come back to time and time again.
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  Speaker 17: It's a real shorthand and a very effective way to
• 45:21
  Speaker 17: deliver a message.
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  Speaker 9: Susie.
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  Speaker 3: You've watched this over many years with politicians of different stripes,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: of different levels. And the point here is it works
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: because it's true. It resonates is because people see that
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Albo told them a lie. Albo has broken their trust.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: I don't think he can ever recover.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: That, can he.
• 45:43
  Speaker 17: Well, it's going to take I mean they would be
• 45:45
  Speaker 17: hoping that by and they were counting on this, I mean,
• 45:48
  Speaker 17: labor got arrogant. They were counting on the fact that
• 45:51
  Speaker 17: this would all blow over by the time they have
• 45:55
  Speaker 17: to face the polls. But these kind of attack AADs
• 45:58
  Speaker 17: the fact, as Stephen said, people raised four million dollars.
• 46:02
  Speaker 17: That's going to be seen by a whole lot of
• 46:04
  Speaker 17: people on Origin Night plus elsewhere. People are invested and
• 46:09
  Speaker 17: people are willing to put their hardened money behind a
• 46:11
  Speaker 17: campaign like this. It's not going away anytime soon.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's finished. I think Albo's finished. Just
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: like you see a picture of crocodile dundee, now you
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: think you know, you call that a knife. Anyone sees
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: a picture of Albow, they think liar, They think liar.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: That he has become a byword for liar.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Now, I've always been suspicious of comedians getting into politics.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Has happened so often in the US, and happens on
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: all the ABC comedy programs. But Dave Hughes, a fantastic
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Victorian comedian, He's gone.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: The whole hog on Albo. He's his latest.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: What's that, Skippy, what's up? What's up?
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: What Elbow did? Was an Australian.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, Stephen, and Skippy and Dave Hughes are
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: calling you out in Australian.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: You've got a problem.
• 47:05
  Speaker 20: When left wing comedians are calling out a labor government.
• 47:08
  Speaker 20: You know they're on the ropes. There's no two ways
• 47:10
  Speaker 20: about that, and I think Dave Hughes has actually nailed it.
• 47:13
  Speaker 20: Never been particularly a fan of Dave Hughes, but I
• 47:14
  Speaker 20: think his commentary on politics has been absolutely outstanding. And
• 47:19
  Speaker 20: I think the best thing that happened to him today
• 47:20
  Speaker 20: is a former Front roller that used to play for
• 47:22
  Speaker 20: Queensland and State of Origin, Marty Beller, who's taken too
• 47:26
  Speaker 20: many hits in the scrums, has decided he's a political
• 47:28
  Speaker 20: commentator now and has come out and hit at Dave Hughes.
• 47:30
  Speaker 20: I think this is going to be exactly like One Nation.
• 47:32
  Speaker 20: If you keep attacking Pauline Hanson.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: She keeps surging, Yeah, yeah, Now quickly, Susie, can you
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: explain to me why we should be teaching our soldiers
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: how to make spears and clubs?
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 47:45
  Speaker 17: Can you believe they had to go out of their
• 47:47
  Speaker 17: way to say that this is for ceremonial purposes?
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Only?
• 47:50
  Speaker 17: Really they like, it's just bizarre. Did they really think
• 47:55
  Speaker 17: that we thought they were going to be going into
• 47:57
  Speaker 17: battle with clubs? We loved the way when they were
• 48:01
  Speaker 17: making these things in the ads, it shows them with
• 48:04
  Speaker 17: like a powersore making these indigenous ceremonial clubs. I mean,
• 48:09
  Speaker 17: what an absolute joke. I mean, this is just we
• 48:13
  Speaker 17: do not need people to be doing this at this
• 48:15
  Speaker 17: point in.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Time for People's Liberation Army, the People's Liberation Army in
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: China have decided that we've already surrendered. I reckon, I reckon,
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: we've given up now, Stephen. I've got to mention you're
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: doing the CEO sleepout for Vinnie's this week, a fantastic
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: charity in Saint Vincent de Paul.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Tell us about what you're doing.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: You're not a CEO, but you're sleeping out in the
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: cold Canberra weather.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 48:38
  Speaker 20: Well, they keep conning me in it by saying you
• 48:40
  Speaker 20: don't need to be a CEO, just a community leaders.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Enough. This is my third one.
• 48:44
  Speaker 20: Now we're at the Museum of Australian Democracy at Old
• 48:47
  Speaker 20: Parliament House again. Look, the midst of the cost of
• 48:50
  Speaker 20: living crisis. Fundraising is hard, but I think it proves
• 48:52
  Speaker 20: that there's people out there that are doing it tougher
• 48:54
  Speaker 20: than us. So if you go to CEO Sleepout dot
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• 48:59
  Speaker 2: You can still stuffilled the day.
• 49:02
  Speaker 20: It's only going to be seven degrees so it's not
• 49:04
  Speaker 20: going to be very cold by camera standards, which is great.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: You've lost a lot of insulation over the years to Stevens,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: so donate support. Vinny's thanks, Susie, Thanks Stephen. We're right
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  Speaker 3: over time. Here's Peter Credlin.