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- 0:02Speaker 1: Forty thousand channing MVP climb on un Chatterer couns ten sixty.
- 0:19Speaker 2: Home runs your MVP moment, cha.
- 0:28Speaker 3: RM, Well, I don't know if any.
- 0:36Speaker 4: Player topic was more discussed during the course of the
- 0:39Speaker 4: Major League Baseball season then who should win MVP. It
- 0:43Speaker 4: became pretty clear probably around the All Star break that
- 0:47Speaker 4: it was going to come down to Cal Raleigh of
- 0:50Speaker 4: the Seattle Mariners and Aaron Judge of.
- 0:53Speaker 3: The mighty New York Yankees.
- 0:55Speaker 4: And that conversation was held throughout the second half of
- 0:59Speaker 4: the season. And it's been talked about so much that
- 1:02Speaker 4: it's almost like two political parties at this point. You know,
- 1:06Speaker 4: it's the Catcher party and the whistle teeth party, because
- 1:11Speaker 4: you know, there's people have certainly chosen their guy.
- 1:15Speaker 3: You're not really hearing a lot of you.
- 1:18Speaker 4: You know, I'm still on the fence because it's been
- 1:21Speaker 4: discussed so much by now you if you know, if
- 1:25Speaker 4: you have the ability to draw an opinion at all,
- 1:28Speaker 4: you should have probably reached your opinion as to who
- 1:30Speaker 4: you think is going to win the Most Valuable Player award.
- 1:33Speaker 4: But the announcement's going to be made tonight. Obviously, we
- 1:37Speaker 4: can't wait to hear the result. We want to finally
- 1:40Speaker 4: have an answer to this question. I do know that
- 1:43Speaker 4: it's going to be tight. I do know i'd vote
- 1:47Speaker 4: for Cal, and I do believe Aaron Judge is probably
- 1:51Speaker 4: going to win it, just based off of the conversations
- 1:54Speaker 4: I've heard on MLB Network across their panel a lot
- 1:57Speaker 4: of different sports writers Bucky that are tied in to
- 2:01Speaker 4: a lot of other sports writers and feel like they've
- 2:03Speaker 4: got their finger on the pulse more so than I do.
- 2:06Speaker 4: But I think there's certainly a chance that I can
- 2:09Speaker 4: be pleasantly surprised. Cal's definitely got a chance to be
- 2:12Speaker 4: crowned MVP tonight. A good chance, Yeah, it does, and
- 2:15Speaker 4: rightfully so. I mean, I mean, I don't think it should.
- 2:19Speaker 5: Be really as big of a debate. It's a wonderful debate,
- 2:24Speaker 5: and I mean, one thing I want to make perfectly
- 2:26Speaker 5: clear is when I'm saying I don't I don't think
- 2:29Speaker 5: it should be close. In my opinion, it's not close.
- 2:32Speaker 5: That's not taken away from Judge at all. Judge is spectacular.
- 2:37Speaker 5: I mean, Judge is unbelievable, but it's the idea of
- 2:40Speaker 5: to me, there's just a there's a bit of a
- 2:42Speaker 5: short sightedness or there's a there's parts of the numbers
- 2:46Speaker 5: that that people will look into that just plain and
- 2:49Speaker 5: simple can't tell the truth and the whole truth and
- 2:52Speaker 5: nothing but the truth. You know, are you gonna go
- 2:55Speaker 5: with judges steady, brilliance and amazing I mean, absolute, out
- 3:00Speaker 5: of this world VB MVP caliber without a doubt offensive numbers?
- 3:05Speaker 5: And then there's some people or the cal Rawley's you know,
- 3:09Speaker 5: his power surge, and it's like, but that doesn't that
- 3:12Speaker 5: a statement like that doesn't even come close to telling
- 3:14Speaker 5: the whole truth. It just doesn't to me. Cal Rawley's
- 3:18Speaker 5: home runs are impressive, and yes, should be recognized for
- 3:22Speaker 5: doing what he did that no catcher's ever done and
- 3:24Speaker 5: no switch hitters ever done. That's saying something right, But
- 3:27Speaker 5: at the same time, it's that's just a piece of it.
- 3:31Speaker 5: I mean just a piece, And I mean I ended
- 3:34Speaker 5: up spending time last night looking into a bunch of
- 3:36Speaker 5: different stuff that they're saying. The voters are going to
- 3:38Speaker 5: go into different saber metrics that you know, dial in
- 3:40Speaker 5: your you know, most of these offensive saber metrics are
- 3:44Speaker 5: going to be advantage judge, and understandably, so I mean
- 3:47Speaker 5: they hit three thirty and you know, drove in a
- 3:50Speaker 5: ton of runs. And still it's not like he hit
- 3:52Speaker 5: twenty homers and you're comparing them agains. Somebody hit sixty.
- 3:54Speaker 5: I mean, he still hit a ton of home runs
- 3:56Speaker 5: and drove in a bunch of guys. I mean, he
- 3:58Speaker 5: did unbelievably. It's he's definitely the more feared hitter at
- 4:02Speaker 5: the plate. It's just a most valuable player to me.
- 4:05Speaker 5: When they start looking into things, you're fielding runs or
- 4:10Speaker 5: whatever that what is it called the fielding runs average
- 4:13Speaker 5: or how many runs you save a game compared to
- 4:17Speaker 5: someone else, and it has because Aaron Judge is pretty
- 4:20Speaker 5: good in right field. Typically, it hasn't.
- 4:23Speaker 3: Made use last year because he played d H a
- 4:25Speaker 3: lot because of his injury.
- 4:27Speaker 5: But the numbers toill come out that he was a
- 4:29Speaker 5: four and that Calroy was a five. It's like, no, no, sorry,
- 4:35Speaker 5: they're not even close to one run difference over the
- 4:37Speaker 5: course of a full season of how much they helped
- 4:40Speaker 5: their team when they're on the defensive side of the ball.
- 4:43Speaker 5: And so it just there's a lot of it that
- 4:45Speaker 5: I think just gets to some degree overlooked how difficult
- 4:49Speaker 5: that position is. All of the things that you can't
- 4:51Speaker 5: put a number on, well, how you call a game
- 4:53Speaker 5: and all that stuff. You can't put a number on that,
- 4:56Speaker 5: And so to me, it's it shouldn't even be close.
- 4:58Speaker 5: Even though what Aaron Judge did that he needs to
- 5:01Speaker 5: be in any conversation about most valuable player period.
- 5:03Speaker 3: Well, without a shadow of a doubt.
- 5:05Speaker 4: There are things Cal Rawley does that they can't put
- 5:08Speaker 4: a number on, like, for example, how he affects every
- 5:13Speaker 4: single pitch thrown by the Mariner's pitching staff. You know,
- 5:17Speaker 4: he pretty much makes every decision on which pitch everybody
- 5:20Speaker 4: throws d throughout the course of the season. The leadership
- 5:23Speaker 4: that he brings, and Aaron Judge brings just as much leadership,
- 5:26Speaker 4: so we can make that clear. But but they don't
- 5:30Speaker 4: have a stat that can quantify how much value Cal's
- 5:35Speaker 4: knowledge of other hitters behind the plate brings to the table.
- 5:39Speaker 4: So literally, they can't calculate Cal's value defensively to Aaron Judge.
- 5:46Speaker 4: They don't have a number as many stats as they've
- 5:49Speaker 4: come up with. They don't have a stat to figure
- 5:51Speaker 4: out just how much he's helping his pitchers get through
- 5:55Speaker 4: hitters on a daily basis. But I do think that
- 5:57Speaker 4: it is very close. I mean, Aaron Judge has two
- 6:01Speaker 4: hundred plus points in OPS over cal and that's after
- 6:06Speaker 4: a sixty home run season. For goodness sake, he has
- 6:09Speaker 4: a two point fifteen OPS plus. That's one of the
- 6:12Speaker 4: greatest numbers in the history of the sport offensively, even war,
- 6:16Speaker 4: which is supposed to factor in everything. Aarons is nine
- 6:20Speaker 4: point seven, Cols is seven point four. I mean, that's
- 6:24Speaker 4: kasmic that gap. But as you said, there are some
- 6:27Speaker 4: things that those numbers just can't calculate. In regards to
- 6:31Speaker 4: cal Raley's value, I do definitively think cal Raley is
- 6:36Speaker 4: going to win the should win the MVP, but I
- 6:39Speaker 4: do think it's very close. I likened it to a
- 6:42Speaker 4: sprint yesterday. That's a mistake baseball season, everybody tells you.
- 6:46Speaker 4: As a marathon, I mean, you can definitively win a
- 6:49Speaker 4: marathon by fifteen yards and.
- 6:54Speaker 3: That's still a very close race. You know, after.
- 6:56Speaker 4: Twenty six miles of competing, you know, one one in Seattle,
- 7:02Speaker 4: one in New York. That's still a very close marathon
- 7:05Speaker 4: if it comes down to fifteen meters after you ran
- 7:09Speaker 4: twenty six miles and That's what I'd like in it too.
- 7:11Speaker 6: Ashley, Yeah, no, I would agree, And I do think obviously,
- 7:14Speaker 6: as Bucky said, you know, one doesn't take away from
- 7:17Speaker 6: the other. Right, saying that you think Cal deserves it
- 7:20Speaker 6: over Judge or should win it over Judge or vice versa,
- 7:23Speaker 6: isn't taking away from the phenomenal performance that both of
- 7:25Speaker 6: these guys had this season.
- 7:27Speaker 3: But I do think only one can win the trophy.
- 7:30Speaker 7: Well, we think, right, that's true.
- 7:33Speaker 3: It is especially right.
- 7:35Speaker 7: He's like, let's go co that's my job, my thought.
- 7:37Speaker 6: But I just think, yeah, as you guys were saying,
- 7:40Speaker 6: there's so many things that Cal does with every single
- 7:42Speaker 6: aspect of the game versus what Judge is doing, not
- 7:47Speaker 6: with every single aspect of the game, And those are
- 7:50Speaker 6: the things that push him over the top and should
- 7:52Speaker 6: push him over the top in most people's opinion, because
- 7:55Speaker 6: just because it's not something you can look at in
- 7:57Speaker 6: a stat call him on you know, ESPN dot Com,
- 8:00Speaker 6: doesn't mean that those things aren't equally as large of
- 8:04Speaker 6: a factor in every single game. And on top of it,
- 8:06Speaker 6: the where and Terry's putting on his body on every
- 8:09Speaker 6: single game.
- 8:09Speaker 5: And I mean still hitting, he's playing a more demanding
- 8:16Speaker 5: position and was still posting every single day in the lineup,
- 8:19Speaker 5: whereas Aaron Judge had an injury. Not that to fault
- 8:22Speaker 5: him for it, but you weren't as really, you weren't
- 8:24Speaker 5: as as available as the dude that plays a position
- 8:28Speaker 5: that takes foul balls and has.
- 8:29Speaker 3: To block our fastball. Yeah.
- 8:31Speaker 6: And it's not the most offensive player award. It is
- 8:35Speaker 6: the most valuable player award, And to a t to
- 8:39Speaker 6: his team, Cal was a I think, far more valuable player,
- 8:44Speaker 6: far more.
- 8:44Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's I'm glad we're going to get
- 8:47Speaker 5: to talk about it more. And I'm sure we'll talk
- 8:48Speaker 5: about it tomorrow more tomorrow, you know, once we find
- 8:52Speaker 5: out the results of it. I know it's close, and
- 8:55Speaker 5: I understand why because of how outstanding Judges offensive season one.
- 9:00Speaker 5: It just is when you take if it was like
- 9:03Speaker 5: you said, if you take it as the most outstanding
- 9:08Speaker 5: guy that walks into a batter's box, then it's Aaron Judge,
- 9:11Speaker 5: even though he didn't hit as many home runs and
- 9:13Speaker 5: didn't drive in as many runs, even though he didn't
- 9:15Speaker 5: do a couple things as well as Cal didn't do
- 9:19Speaker 5: put up the same offensive season that he did. It
- 9:22Speaker 5: just is not even a contest when you come to
- 9:24Speaker 5: comparing the other two, the other side of the equation
- 9:27Speaker 5: and then the third side, if you want to call
- 9:29Speaker 5: it that, which is the stuff you're talking about that
- 9:31Speaker 5: you can't put a number on the amount of effort
- 9:33Speaker 5: he puts into calling games, helping his pitchers set up
- 9:37Speaker 5: game plans before games, the beating that he takes. There's
- 9:41Speaker 5: just there's just not a when you're talking about strictly
- 9:45Speaker 5: value across the board, one is more valuable than the other.
- 9:48Speaker 3: And that's cal Rawley.
- 9:49Speaker 4: All right, we'll talk more about a little bit later
- 9:51Speaker 4: on in the show coming out next, A tale of
- 9:53Speaker 4: two wide receivers and why our guys Smelling like a Rose.
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- 13:21Speaker 9: Joined the buckets of rain that are coming down outside
- 13:24Speaker 9: my house right now.
- 13:25Speaker 4: Yeah, do you think you're gonna be talking about cal
- 13:28Speaker 4: Raley MVP tonight?
- 13:30Speaker 10: We talked about that yesterday.
- 13:32Speaker 9: You know, I have said for the last month and
- 13:35Speaker 9: a half I think he's gonna win it, and so yeah,
- 13:39Speaker 9: I think he's gonna win it, you know, But nobody
- 13:41Speaker 9: can be surprised or angry, I think on either side, right.
- 13:44Speaker 9: I mean, if you're a Yankee fan, you're pulling for Judge.
- 13:47Speaker 9: You're a Mariner fan, you're pulling for cal Raley. I mean,
- 13:50Speaker 9: I don't think any fan base can be pissed off
- 13:52Speaker 9: if their guy didn't win. I mean, for us from
- 13:54Speaker 9: our perspective, if caw doesn't get it done. Look, man,
- 13:57Speaker 9: Aaron Judge, I had an OPS two hundred points higher
- 14:00Speaker 9: than Cal. He had like thirty seven extra hits in
- 14:03Speaker 9: seven less games than cal Rawley did. Obviously, he's a
- 14:06Speaker 9: much more well rounded I think you guys would agree
- 14:09Speaker 9: with that offensive player. But when you factor in the
- 14:12Speaker 9: defense and the impact that cal Rawley had on the
- 14:15Speaker 9: sport and in his clubhouse, I don't know. I've just
- 14:19Speaker 9: had a funny feeling since the middle of September that
- 14:21Speaker 9: Cal is gonna win it, and I don't know if
- 14:24Speaker 9: I've heard anything from any potential voters that's made me
- 14:26Speaker 9: change my mind since the end of the regular season.
- 14:29Speaker 9: What do you think I mean if I if I
- 14:31Speaker 9: told you pick the winner of the MVP tonight, guys,
- 14:34Speaker 9: and if you're wrong, you're going to sleep on the
- 14:35Speaker 9: sidewalk for a week.
- 14:37Speaker 10: Who do you take?
- 14:38Speaker 4: I would pick Cal to win it, but I think
- 14:41Speaker 4: Aaron's going to edge him out slightly.
- 14:44Speaker 3: That's my that's my feeling.
- 14:45Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, which is again, I'm not going to throw
- 14:48Speaker 9: a fit if that happens, right Like, I'm trying to
- 14:50Speaker 9: prepre myself and prepare everybody that if Aaron Judge wins,
- 14:53Speaker 9: it's not some I don't think it's some highway criminal robbery.
- 14:57Speaker 9: If Aaron Judge wins the MVP, I mean he's in
- 14:59Speaker 9: I'm laevable player, and the the MVP is supposed to
- 15:03Speaker 9: go to the best player in baseball, regardless of where
- 15:06Speaker 9: their team finished. I think a lot of people would
- 15:08Speaker 9: agree with that it's the best player. I mean, you
- 15:10Speaker 9: and I are old enough to remember when Andre Dawson
- 15:12Speaker 9: won the MVP on the last place Cubs team forty
- 15:15Speaker 9: years ago, right in eighty seven the Hawk.
- 15:18Speaker 10: He was amazing, man. So hey, look I get it.
- 15:20Speaker 9: You know, maybe there's some Yankee fatigue that will help
- 15:23Speaker 9: out Cal.
- 15:23Speaker 10: But I don't know, man.
- 15:25Speaker 9: We've been talking about this for a while in the
- 15:26Speaker 9: year with the Heisman, and maybe it's tend to do
- 15:28Speaker 9: a baseball with how many teams are making the playoffs, guys,
- 15:31Speaker 9: that maybe we should start including the postseason when it
- 15:34Speaker 9: comes to voting for the MVP as well.
- 15:36Speaker 4: You're taking a little level out an approach. Ashley and
- 15:38Speaker 4: Bucky both threatened to kidnap Aaron Boone and hold him
- 15:42Speaker 4: for ransom.
- 15:42Speaker 3: Yeah, Cal doesn't win, it.
- 15:44Speaker 9: Just goes to show you how wacko those people are.
- 15:47Speaker 9: I mean, let's be honest.
- 15:48Speaker 7: There are other things, but I'm not allowed to say that.
- 15:50Speaker 9: Actually has got a lot of I mean, the engine
- 15:51Speaker 9: is running, but there's nobody behind the wheel.
- 15:53Speaker 10: Yeah, just be honest.
- 15:54Speaker 3: A couple wacko nut Johns.
- 15:56Speaker 7: You're not the first person to say that.
- 15:57Speaker 3: What I got to deal with every day, there's not
- 16:00Speaker 3: from Mark.
- 16:00Speaker 5: By the way, Oh, there's not a lot of time. Yeah,
- 16:06Speaker 5: there's there's not a lot of times that I'll get
- 16:09Speaker 5: super frustrated, especially about something like this that really is
- 16:12Speaker 5: neither here nor there. I mean, it'd be nice to
- 16:14Speaker 5: win an MVP, but yeah, I think Cal would rather
- 16:17Speaker 5: If you asked Cal, hey, would you rather win a
- 16:19Speaker 5: World Series and not win the MVP or not win
- 16:22Speaker 5: the World Series and but you get that trophy, he
- 16:24Speaker 5: wouldn't even be close. So totally it's but I yeah,
- 16:28Speaker 5: I don't know if I want to sleep on the sidewalk,
- 16:30Speaker 5: but I might be stomping up and down some sidewalks.
- 16:33Speaker 9: Interesting, mad, Yeah, I mean, look, the guy's a stud man,
- 16:37Speaker 9: no doubt. I mean, you know the uh amount of
- 16:40Speaker 9: time he spent behind the dish. I mean he's the
- 16:42Speaker 9: captain of the team. I mean, you guys, I've told
- 16:45Speaker 9: you guys the exact moment in time that I fell
- 16:47Speaker 9: in love with Cal Rowley is when he called out
- 16:49Speaker 9: the baseball team when they missed the playoffs in twenty three.
- 16:52Speaker 9: Scott Service told him to calm down. That's the exact
- 16:55Speaker 9: day that Scott's Service lost me. In the exact day
- 16:57Speaker 9: I turned a a I over to cal Remember the
- 17:00Speaker 9: movie The Natural when Roy Hobbs struck out the Whammer
- 17:04Speaker 9: and Barbara Hershey went from stocking the Whammer to stocking
- 17:07Speaker 9: Roy Hobbs. Yeah, at that exact second, that was you.
- 17:10Speaker 9: That's that was me, man, I was I was Barbara
- 17:12Speaker 9: Hershey when I could not believe it. Yeah, could not, Bucky.
- 17:16Speaker 9: I mean, you played the game. Can you imagine a
- 17:19Speaker 9: former catcher as this guy's manager and he's showing all
- 17:22Speaker 9: that emotion, all that passion after missing the playoffs. He's
- 17:25Speaker 9: pissed off, he's angry, and his manager tells him to
- 17:28Speaker 9: control himself, get out of here.
- 17:30Speaker 5: Well, yeah, because that manager was best buddies with the
- 17:33Speaker 5: guy he was calling out. And now, I bet if
- 17:35Speaker 5: you asked Scott's Service, do you regret that now? He's like, no,
- 17:38Speaker 5: I was thinking the same damn thing.
- 17:40Speaker 10: Yeah, I just was my blood still to this day.
- 17:42Speaker 4: I just want to point out, by the way, to
- 17:44Speaker 4: our listeners and maybe to you, maybe you need to
- 17:47Speaker 4: hear this. You do know, Barbara Hershey ended up shooting
- 17:50Speaker 4: Roy Hobbs.
- 17:50Speaker 9: Yes, okay at all? Yeah, unless Cay Rowley wants to
- 17:56Speaker 9: take like twenty years off and then come back and
- 17:58Speaker 9: play at the age of forty five with the bull
- 18:00Speaker 9: has got a game winning home run to put the
- 18:02Speaker 9: M's in the World Series.
- 18:02Speaker 3: No, we got to win the World Series. That would
- 18:04Speaker 3: be incredible.
- 18:05Speaker 4: Yeah right, all right, Well, uh, let me ask you,
- 18:07Speaker 4: since Bucky's already thinking about stomping up and down the sidewalks,
- 18:10Speaker 4: were you were you stomping up and down the sidewalks
- 18:13Speaker 4: when I lumped you into my little lesson in how
- 18:17Speaker 4: you can't go by head to head so heavily in
- 18:21Speaker 4: college football playoff basketball.
- 18:23Speaker 9: I mean, I gotta be honest with you, and I
- 18:25Speaker 9: don't know how else to say it, so I'll just
- 18:27Speaker 9: say it. Your argument that you had yesterday for people
- 18:30Speaker 9: that are mad about you can't just go head to
- 18:32Speaker 9: head and all that stuff. I've never said that on
- 18:35Speaker 9: the air like ever, so I don't even know where
- 18:38Speaker 9: that came from.
- 18:39Speaker 10: No, you said it.
- 18:39Speaker 4: We were talking and you were like, you couldn't believe
- 18:41Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago the one team wasn't rated
- 18:43Speaker 4: when they beat them head down.
- 18:45Speaker 9: I got, I've got problems with the pull overall, okay,
- 18:48Speaker 9: But to just go strictly on head to head dot
- 18:52Speaker 9: down the.
- 18:53Speaker 10: Top twenty five, I totally agree with that shot.
- 18:56Speaker 9: I mean, just because you beat one team doesn't mean
- 18:58Speaker 9: you got a better overall resume than that team. You
- 19:02Speaker 9: should apology. Yeah, I spent the entire night just stewing. Man,
- 19:05Speaker 9: I was mean to my wife, I was impatient with
- 19:08Speaker 9: my dogs. I hung up the phone on my mom.
- 19:10Speaker 9: The dogs terrible mood because of your ridiculous cockamami accusation
- 19:15Speaker 9: from yesterday's show.
- 19:17Speaker 10: But here's my problem with the poll.
- 19:19Speaker 9: My problem really is with the ap poll and not
- 19:21Speaker 9: even the CFP, to be totally honest with you. First
- 19:23Speaker 9: of all, I find it ridiculous that teams are getting
- 19:25Speaker 9: rewarded with head starts during the preseason for things they
- 19:30Speaker 9: haven't earned yet.
- 19:31Speaker 10: Like I'll give you an example.
- 19:33Speaker 9: Notre Dame has one win over a top twenty five
- 19:35Speaker 9: team in USC They're number nine in the country right now.
- 19:37Speaker 9: You know why because they began the year at number six.
- 19:40Speaker 9: How about the Iowa Hawk guys, the Iowahaw guys. You
- 19:43Speaker 9: saw this, Bucky, They pushed your ducks to the limit,
- 19:45Speaker 9: baby on Saturday in Iowa City. They're six and three.
- 19:48Speaker 9: They got three losses by ten points combined to Indiana
- 19:52Speaker 9: Oregon in Iowa State. They're not even ranked in the
- 19:55Speaker 9: AP Pole anymore. You know why, partially because they began
- 19:59Speaker 9: the year at number five, forty four in the country.
- 20:02Speaker 9: Tennessee began the year in the top twenty five. They're
- 20:05Speaker 9: six and three. They've beaten nobody, and they're still in
- 20:08Speaker 9: the top twenty five. So I think these teams that
- 20:11Speaker 9: get these head starts over the offseason, I think it's ridiculous.
- 20:14Speaker 9: I'm glad the AP Pole doesn't play any role whatsoever
- 20:17Speaker 9: in selecting these teams, unless, like me, you're a little
- 20:21Speaker 9: bit convinced and maybe concerned that the committee is slightly
- 20:25Speaker 9: influenced by the eight peopole when they make their initial selections,
- 20:29Speaker 9: which I think they possibly are influenced by the AP Pole,
- 20:33Speaker 9: and I don't think they should be whatsoever. So look,
- 20:36Speaker 9: the AP Pole is never going away. It's a third
- 20:38Speaker 9: party entity. They make many off it. It's a great
- 20:40Speaker 9: news organization, as John Wilner has said over and over again.
- 20:44Speaker 9: But the only freaking poll that matters is the one
- 20:46Speaker 9: that came out last week for the first time, and
- 20:48Speaker 9: that's the c IF popole.
- 20:49Speaker 10: The APO pole, in my opinion, needs to die. That's it.
- 20:54Speaker 5: I'm with you, I'm with you. That's you just kind
- 20:57Speaker 5: of put it the way. That's one frustrating to me.
- 21:00Speaker 10: One more? Can I add one more?
- 21:02Speaker 3: Yes?
- 21:02Speaker 10: Please?
- 21:03Speaker 9: How in the hell do you guys beat Iowa and
- 21:06Speaker 9: then flip spots with Ole Miss who beat the Citadel?
- 21:10Speaker 4: They didn't flip spots. All Miss was in the AP
- 21:14Speaker 4: poes again.
- 21:15Speaker 9: In the AP pole, they absolutely flip spots, which is why, like,
- 21:18Speaker 9: what are we doing?
- 21:19Speaker 3: Man?
- 21:19Speaker 10: Why do we even bother with the A P Pole?
- 21:21Speaker 9: I mean, guys, how often do you look at the
- 21:23Speaker 9: coaches poll these days?
- 21:24Speaker 10: Never? Right?
- 21:25Speaker 9: Ever, that's the way the AP polls gotta go the
- 21:28Speaker 9: way the coaches pull right down the toilet.
- 21:30Speaker 3: So you don't want any polls at all during the regulation.
- 21:32Speaker 9: Only poll that I want, the only poll that I want,
- 21:36Speaker 9: is the CEFP poll that comes out in the early
- 21:39Speaker 9: part of November.
- 21:41Speaker 4: That's where I completely disagree. That's why I like the polls.
- 21:43Speaker 4: I like the numbers, and I like the conversation around
- 21:46Speaker 4: the numbers. Do you have a problem with them?
- 21:48Speaker 3: Great, But I.
- 21:49Speaker 4: Think we need the numbers. I think we would miss
- 21:51Speaker 4: the numbers if we didn't have that. I think you
- 21:53Speaker 4: would miss the numbers.
- 21:54Speaker 9: I think a lot of people would agree with you.
- 21:56Speaker 9: But I also think you're smart enough to know who's
- 21:58Speaker 9: good and who's not. And again, I think in the NFL,
- 22:01Speaker 9: for example, we don't need preseason rankings to tell us
- 22:04Speaker 9: who's good and who's bad. In the NFL, we watched
- 22:07Speaker 9: the sport because we love the sport, and I agree
- 22:09Speaker 9: with you initially, Chuck, it would be odd because it's
- 22:12Speaker 9: all we know. But eventually they go away, and the
- 22:15Speaker 9: only poll you have is the one that comes out
- 22:17Speaker 9: in the second week in November.
- 22:19Speaker 10: You'd get used to it.
- 22:20Speaker 4: The Dogs did not remain ranked for very long. What
- 22:23Speaker 4: the hell happened in Madison?
- 22:25Speaker 9: Disgrace, disgrace. They they gave it away everything Wisconsin had.
- 22:29Speaker 9: They gave it away three scoring drives that all began
- 22:32Speaker 9: inside the Husky fifty yard line. Thought the defense was
- 22:35Speaker 9: actually pretty damn good man. I mean, the defense gave
- 22:38Speaker 9: up the one touchdown when Wisconsin got the ball on
- 22:41Speaker 9: the seven yard line and they couldn't stop him from
- 22:44Speaker 9: getting out of the end zone. Bad special teams punting
- 22:47Speaker 9: was terrible. Some of the decisions by Demon Williams. And
- 22:50Speaker 9: there's a reason for it. He's nineteen years old. He
- 22:52Speaker 9: hasn't figured out the road thing yet. We're terrible. The
- 22:56Speaker 9: interception to des Roebuck, it was obvious that that annoyed
- 22:59Speaker 9: the coaching staff. That's a mistake he can't make. Throwing
- 23:02Speaker 9: that ball down the field third and twelve, scrambling, turning
- 23:05Speaker 9: his back away from the defense and dropping the pill.
- 23:08Speaker 9: You want to go down and just go down and
- 23:10Speaker 9: punt and live to see another day. But you know,
- 23:12Speaker 9: this offense for me, and I'll just say this, I
- 23:17Speaker 9: think they're a bit of a paper tiger, right.
- 23:20Speaker 10: I mean, I don't know what else to say.
- 23:21Speaker 9: Like some of the numbers look great, you know, overall,
- 23:25Speaker 9: but then you look at the way they've played on
- 23:27Speaker 9: the road at Michigan and at Wisconsin for an entire
- 23:31Speaker 9: half against Maryland Ohio State. I mean, if they're really
- 23:35Speaker 9: one of the elite offenses in football, they're not going
- 23:38Speaker 9: to play four games like that where they just get
- 23:41Speaker 9: totally shut down, totally shut down by the opponent. You know,
- 23:46Speaker 9: maybe it happens once and you play the number one
- 23:48Speaker 9: team in the country, Okay, whatever, you can excuse it.
- 23:51Speaker 10: But this is now three or four.
- 23:52Speaker 9: Times, guys, where their offense hasn't even shown up in
- 23:55Speaker 9: a game. And that's not the mark of an elite offense.
- 23:59Speaker 9: So I don't even really care what the numbers say
- 24:01Speaker 9: overall nationally, guys. I just think that they're they're kind
- 24:04Speaker 9: of a paper tiger. And when it comes to how
- 24:06Speaker 9: elite people really think they.
- 24:08Speaker 3: Are, Yeah, I'm with you. I thought, I know you
- 24:11Speaker 3: agree with that book.
- 24:12Speaker 5: Yeah, but I mean I don't have the disdain that
- 24:15Speaker 5: most Duck fans do for UW.
- 24:18Speaker 3: You know that.
- 24:18Speaker 5: And so to me, it was just I thought it
- 24:20Speaker 5: was preemptive. I thought that there was a wow, number
- 24:23Speaker 5: one offense in the country, and it's like, but they
- 24:25Speaker 5: there's things that I think are going to come back
- 24:28Speaker 5: to haunt them. And this week, this past weekend, was
- 24:30Speaker 5: one of those games. So, I mean, Demon Williams, We've
- 24:34Speaker 5: talked a lot about him. He's unbelievably explosive and fantastic
- 24:37Speaker 5: to watch when things are clicking, But what is it
- 24:40Speaker 5: when you're watching him right now? Because if if it
- 24:42Speaker 5: is a paper tiger, at times it looks like a tiger,
- 24:45Speaker 5: and other times it looks very paperish, paper mache ish,
- 24:47Speaker 5: And so I'm wondering, what is it that you think
- 24:51Speaker 5: most he needs to grow up with.
- 24:54Speaker 9: I think they're putting way too much on his plate period,
- 24:57Speaker 9: end of story. I think he's a nineteen year old quarterback,
- 25:00Speaker 9: and I think they're putting way too much on his shoulders.
- 25:03Speaker 9: They don't have a running game right now at all.
- 25:05Speaker 9: They have no consistent wide receiver even really behind Denzel Boston,
- 25:09Speaker 9: and Denzel Boston's been up and down himself at times
- 25:11Speaker 9: this year. They're relying on a ton of freshmen Desmond Roebuck,
- 25:15Speaker 9: Raden Vines Bright, for example. They have no tight end
- 25:17Speaker 9: at all, none, no pass catching tight end on this
- 25:21Speaker 9: football team whatsoever. Their offensive line obviously has been banged up,
- 25:25Speaker 9: and that's certainly a part of it. But I just
- 25:26Speaker 9: think the identity of the football team, the responsibility to
- 25:30Speaker 9: move the ball and score points, falls on the shoulders
- 25:33Speaker 9: of a nineteen year old kid.
- 25:34Speaker 10: I think it's too much they're just putting too much
- 25:36Speaker 10: on his plate.
- 25:37Speaker 9: Like, go back and look at the twenty twelve Seahawks,
- 25:39Speaker 9: for example, when Russell Wilson was a rookie, he had
- 25:41Speaker 9: the league's highest paid offensive line. He had Marshawn Lynch,
- 25:44Speaker 9: Michael Robinson, Sydney Rice, Doug Baldwin, Golden Tate, and Zach Miller.
- 25:48Speaker 10: He did not have to do anything.
- 25:50Speaker 9: I mean, obviously he played great, but he had an
- 25:53Speaker 9: incredible supporting cast. And I understand Bucky why that is
- 25:56Speaker 9: at Washington because the roster two years ago got blown
- 26:00Speaker 9: bits when Kitlyn Demore took off for Alabama, and there
- 26:02Speaker 9: just hasn't been enough time, I think, to rebuild the
- 26:06Speaker 9: offense to give a quarterback those types of pieces yet. Right,
- 26:10Speaker 9: Let's see what happens a year or two years from now.
- 26:12Speaker 9: But just overall, I think they're putting way, way, way
- 26:16Speaker 9: too much of the responsibility on the shoulders of a
- 26:19Speaker 9: nineteen year old kid.
- 26:20Speaker 4: I'm gonna just skip Perdue entirely this week because I've
- 26:22Speaker 4: been wanting to ask you this all week long and
- 26:24Speaker 4: I only got like a minute and a half.
- 26:26Speaker 3: If that is Chris Peterson done done? Yeah, he has done.
- 26:31Speaker 9: Yeah, I'd be very surprised if he came back to
- 26:34Speaker 9: coach college football.
- 26:35Speaker 4: If he hadn't removed himself for four years just to
- 26:37Speaker 4: kind of gauge how nil was gonna work, and then Okay,
- 26:40Speaker 4: I think I can manage it now.
- 26:42Speaker 9: You never say never, right, But I mean I was
- 26:44Speaker 9: just talking to him like three weeks ago, and he's
- 26:47Speaker 9: doing other stuff, right, And I think I'd be less
- 26:50Speaker 9: surprised if Nick Saban came back. I mean, Nick Saban
- 26:52Speaker 9: honestly has stayed way more involved in college football, as
- 26:57Speaker 9: you know, than Chris Peterson has. So I'd be fairly
- 27:01Speaker 9: surprised if Pete got back in the game.
- 27:03Speaker 3: Ok.
- 27:03Speaker 10: Why you want to bring him back?
- 27:04Speaker 3: Well, I don't know.
- 27:05Speaker 4: I mean just saw this fish talk this week and
- 27:07Speaker 4: I'm like, uh, well, why steal somebody else when we've
- 27:10Speaker 4: got somebody right here.
- 27:11Speaker 9: He seems like the kind of guy that maybe he
- 27:15Speaker 9: would come back on an interim basis if something happened
- 27:18Speaker 9: in the middle of the year or late in the
- 27:20Speaker 9: game over the offseason, Like God, was it Barry Alvarez
- 27:24Speaker 9: that went back to Wisconsin to be like their interim
- 27:26Speaker 9: ad Remember that for a while, I think.
- 27:29Speaker 4: He was their ad for a long time. I think
- 27:30Speaker 4: he was their AD and then became the interim head coach.
- 27:33Speaker 10: Okay a little.
- 27:34Speaker 9: While, Yeah, something along those lines. But you know what
- 27:36Speaker 9: I'm talking about. Like we've seen you know, names, name
- 27:39Speaker 9: coaches come back. Name AD's come back and see I'll
- 27:42Speaker 9: help you out for a while, maybe do something like that.
- 27:44Speaker 10: But I'd be pretty surprised if he came back.
- 27:47Speaker 3: For good to know, good to know.
- 27:48Speaker 4: All right, you the man, thank you very much. We
- 27:50Speaker 4: appreciate anything. I need to plug this quickly.
- 27:53Speaker 9: Let's say we're at the five twenty Mike, call him
- 27:55Speaker 9: Grin Rick new heisl today David Sampson.
- 27:58Speaker 10: You guys know Dave the former is the Marlins.
- 28:01Speaker 9: He'll join us in the five o'clock hour and by
- 28:03Speaker 9: then we'll well, no, no, if it's Kyle Rawley or
- 28:07Speaker 9: Aaron Judge. So that should be announced around four o'clock
- 28:09Speaker 9: this afternoon.
- 28:10Speaker 3: All right, saleo to the wife and dogs. Okay, guys,
- 28:12Speaker 3: all right, see see.
- 28:14Speaker 4: David Softy mall that joining us right here on Chugging
- 28:16Speaker 4: Buck in the morning's coming up next Factor Fiction at
- 28:19Speaker 4: seven thirty five.
- 28:20Speaker 3: And here's another thing, a new wrinkle to.
- 28:22Speaker 4: The old ram Seahawks rivalry and I'm not sure everybody's
- 28:26Speaker 4: aware is going to exist this Sunday, but it will.
- 28:29Speaker 4: Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, the most important
- 28:33Speaker 4: roundtable of our lives is coming your way at eight o'clock. Yes,
- 28:36Speaker 4: those two guys are gonna join us to talk about
- 28:38Speaker 4: the Seahawks and Rams. I'm sure we've had a bigger,
- 28:42Speaker 4: more impactful playoff round table in the past with these guys,
- 28:46Speaker 4: but I'm a prisoner of the moment. Oh okay, this
- 28:49Speaker 4: feels like the most important thing right now, Okay, right now,
- 28:52Speaker 4: all right, I agree, But because.
- 28:53Speaker 5: You made me more nervous than normal, I get really
- 28:56Speaker 5: nervous talking to these two. And then when you throw
- 28:59Speaker 5: that on top of it, Yeah, I'm like what, I'm sure.
- 29:02Speaker 4: We did a playoff round table at one point, but
- 29:06Speaker 4: it does right now.
- 29:08Speaker 3: All that matters is the Rams. That's just how I operate.
- 29:10Speaker 3: Oh yeah, good for you.
- 29:12Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think about things in the past can
- 29:15Speaker 5: change it, That's right, It's just whatever is in front
- 29:17Speaker 5: of me, and I just.
- 29:18Speaker 3: Put everything into it. Good for you, so good, So Greg, Hugh.
- 29:24Speaker 3: I think they feel the same way.
- 29:26Speaker 4: I think Hugh was just chewing on glass this morning,
- 29:29Speaker 4: getting ready for his his analysis today, Greg Bell breaking
- 29:33Speaker 4: through walls.
- 29:34Speaker 3: You know, Greg is Yeah, so not calm at all. Cold,
- 29:39Speaker 3: not a head cold could keep that guy down.
- 29:41Speaker 4: So eight to nine, we'll have them join us to
- 29:43Speaker 4: talk to Seahawks Rams for one entire hour, all right,
- 29:47Speaker 4: in the meantime, I mean, yes, we're getting ready for
- 29:50Speaker 4: this game. This has been on my mind a little bit,
- 29:54Speaker 4: and I don't even know. I mean, I've been looking
- 29:56Speaker 4: it up, and you find different information everywhere. But for
- 30:00Speaker 4: for whatever reason, I don't know why this is happening
- 30:04Speaker 4: everywhere I look, Aaron Donald keeps popping up. And Aaron
- 30:10Speaker 4: Donald looks as good physically as he ever has in
- 30:15Speaker 4: his entire life. Like he looks like he could put
- 30:19Speaker 4: on a uniform and be a pro bowler Sunday if
- 30:25Speaker 4: he wanted to. That's how good he looks. I mean,
- 30:28Speaker 4: he retired very early after years of dominating this he Hawks.
- 30:35Speaker 4: You want to shake up the rivalry. I think he
- 30:39Speaker 4: has been retired longer than his contract with the Rams.
- 30:45Speaker 4: Let's go get him. Yeah, my kid, try to kidnap him.
- 30:55Speaker 4: Let's go sign him. Let's go make an offer. He
- 30:57Speaker 4: can't refuse. Let's go get Aaron Donald. Let's up this rivalry.
- 31:01Speaker 4: And I mean, like before Sunday.
- 31:05Speaker 7: Let's watch him wreck their crap.
- 31:06Speaker 3: Now that's silly.
- 31:07Speaker 4: I mean obviously can't, but honestly, like he I know
- 31:11Speaker 4: he keeps saying over and over and over he's not
- 31:13Speaker 4: going to play again. Why is he working out so
- 31:15Speaker 4: damn hard? Why is he suddenly going to football games?
- 31:19Speaker 4: Why is he suddenly going on ANFL podcast? Maybe he's
- 31:24Speaker 4: got the itch to play again. And I think, and
- 31:27Speaker 4: I don't know this for a fact, there's various things,
- 31:30Speaker 4: different reports about how these contracts work. But I think
- 31:34Speaker 4: once he's been retired longer than his contract was with
- 31:39Speaker 4: the team he left, he is a free agent and
- 31:41Speaker 4: he can sign with any team now maybe not, maybe
- 31:46Speaker 4: only the Rams who he could come back to. And
- 31:48Speaker 4: my guess is that he probably would if he did
- 31:51Speaker 4: come back from retirement. I don't think he left on
- 31:53Speaker 4: bad terms with the Rams. I think he still lives
- 31:56Speaker 4: in Los Angeles. He'd probably suit up for the Rams.
- 31:58Speaker 4: So I don't want to put any thoughts in his
- 32:00Speaker 4: head because I don't want him suiting up for the
- 32:01Speaker 4: Rams this year. But this is somebody that I'm telling you,
- 32:06Speaker 4: within two weeks is playing Pro Bowl caliber defensive line.
- 32:10Speaker 4: So let's go get him. Let's really pull a fast
- 32:13Speaker 4: one on the old Rams. Let's shake up this rivalry.
- 32:16Speaker 4: Come on, John, you got a silver tongue. Come on,
- 32:19Speaker 4: Mike McDonald, you got the best defensive mind and all
- 32:22Speaker 4: of football. Imagine what Aaron, what you could convince you
- 32:26Speaker 4: could do with Aaron Donald. Come on, Seattle, you know,
- 32:30Speaker 4: let's let's all join together and sing a song at
- 32:35Speaker 4: the holiday time to make a miracle happen. Let's hat
- 32:38Speaker 4: Aaron Donald suit up for the Seahawks before the season
- 32:42Speaker 4: comes to it today.
- 32:43Speaker 3: Everybody would shake it up.
- 32:45Speaker 7: And he is a free agent as of twenty twenty four.
- 32:50Speaker 3: Well, I read that too, but I've also read that
- 32:53Speaker 3: the I don't know. You might be right, you might
- 32:56Speaker 3: be wrong.
- 32:57Speaker 7: Yeah, I've read different things this morning.
- 32:59Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what the contract thing. I
- 33:02Speaker 5: don't know if that would matter. My first wrestlers.
- 33:06Speaker 3: And he came back like with a mask on Andre
- 33:09Speaker 3: the Giant.
- 33:10Speaker 5: Basically and came to the sea the Rams anyway, he
- 33:13Speaker 5: wrote to us, But he wore like a mask or
- 33:16Speaker 5: like Hulk Cogan.
- 33:17Speaker 4: Did he just you know, you know, dyed his goatee,
- 33:20Speaker 4: you know, came back as a different wrestler, right right, Yeah.
- 33:25Speaker 3: Just he could do that.
- 33:26Speaker 5: I mean, I suppose, I think, because boy, that would
- 33:30Speaker 5: shake it up. That would be unbelievable, I think at
- 33:34Speaker 5: this point. Yeah, I think it would be really very
- 33:38Speaker 5: bright on his part, and I think he is pretty
- 33:40Speaker 5: bright to just be like, yeah, I kind of wanted
- 33:43Speaker 5: to step away, just take care of my body, and
- 33:45Speaker 5: now I just like he's a different breed.
- 33:47Speaker 3: Obviously.
- 33:48Speaker 4: Michael Jordan stepped away twice. Michael Jordan stepped away twice
- 33:52Speaker 4: and was so desperate to get back to the competitive
- 33:55Speaker 4: spirit that he played for the Wizards for goodness sake.
- 33:58Speaker 4: I mean, boxer retire thirteen times because they think they're
- 34:02Speaker 4: ready and then all of a sudden one day they're like,
- 34:04Speaker 4: I can't replace the high of playing, of fighting somebody
- 34:08Speaker 4: or playing football or whatever the case. Plenty of people
- 34:11Speaker 4: have come out of retirement that are a lot worse
- 34:14Speaker 4: shape than Aaron Donald looks like right now, he looks
- 34:16Speaker 4: like he's preparing to play football.
- 34:18Speaker 5: Mm. Yeah, well he's He's a lot closer to it
- 34:21Speaker 5: than most people. Right after the retire half the football
- 34:24Speaker 5: players like shrink. They just turn in like what you
- 34:27Speaker 5: were an offensive lineman. You're not even You're.
- 34:29Speaker 3: Like a shadow of yourself.
- 34:31Speaker 5: I think he probably would be like, yeah, I'll come
- 34:33Speaker 5: back and be a Ram again.
- 34:35Speaker 3: And so I don't even know if you like putting
- 34:37Speaker 3: this out in the universe.
- 34:38Speaker 6: Here's the thing is that he has repeatedly said his
- 34:41Speaker 6: passion for the game is gone. So I blame the
- 34:43Speaker 6: Rams for that. So if I'm him, I'm not going
- 34:45Speaker 6: to go sign with the team that made me lose
- 34:47Speaker 6: my passion for the game. I need to play for
- 34:49Speaker 6: a new team and then kindle.
- 34:51Speaker 5: That's a phenomenal point. I think he lost his passion
- 34:54Speaker 5: because it was like too easy.
- 34:56Speaker 3: No, I think it was crap. Every single year.
- 35:00Speaker 6: You can reckon the same people's crap. I got to
- 35:02Speaker 6: turn it around and wreck the Rams crap. That'll be
- 35:04Speaker 6: the full circle.
- 35:05Speaker 3: You know what.
- 35:06Speaker 4: I'm going to take this further. Ashley has inspired me.
- 35:08Speaker 4: We're going to sign Aaron Donald. As a matter of fact,
- 35:10Speaker 4: play the breaking news. It's just breaking news audio areas.
- 35:15Speaker 3: I got news.
- 35:18Speaker 4: Just this and not kJ R is ready to announce that.
- 35:22Speaker 4: I don't know when, or how or what's going to happen,
- 35:25Speaker 4: but it is unofficially official. Aaron Donald is a Seahawks
- 35:29Speaker 4: very unofficially.
- 35:31Speaker 7: Yeah, let's focus on the unofficially.
- 35:33Speaker 3: Unofficially unofficial lead.
- 35:35Speaker 4: He's signing with the Seahawks right as we speak.
- 35:38Speaker 7: It makes, oh boy, a very little amount of sense.
- 35:42Speaker 3: I think he's going to help our defense.
- 35:44Speaker 5: Yeah, it makes a ton of sense if you're a
- 35:46Speaker 5: Seahawks fit. It makes no sense for any other person involved.
- 35:50Speaker 7: I love it, though, Let's do it.
- 35:52Speaker 3: I can't believe we got Aaron Donald today.
- 35:53Speaker 7: I can't believe this is just happening right now as
- 35:56Speaker 7: we speak.
- 35:56Speaker 3: Can't believe he's a Seahawks. This is awesome. I'm getting
- 35:58Speaker 3: a jersey round table next on kJ ART. All right,
- 36:15Speaker 3: good morning to you.
- 36:16Speaker 7: It is a.
- 36:17Speaker 4: Thursday, it is eight o'clock. It is time to assemble
- 36:21Speaker 4: the top analysts in town. Are Insider. Greg Bell is
- 36:23Speaker 4: here r QB one, Hugh Millan is here, Ashley Bucky
- 36:27Speaker 4: Chuck with you, twelve man round table time. And it
- 36:30Speaker 4: is the biggest game yet of the season for the
- 36:33Speaker 4: Seattle Seahawks. We're getting ready to chop it up for
- 36:36Speaker 4: an hour here with Greg and Hugh and I just
- 36:39Speaker 4: want to start by apologizing to Greg. I stepped on
- 36:42Speaker 4: your toes a little bit. I just broke some news.
- 36:45Speaker 4: I know this is your area, but I am announcing
- 36:47Speaker 4: that the Seahawks are going to sign Aaron Donald. I
- 36:50Speaker 4: just decided to do it. I don't have any information
- 36:54Speaker 4: you all, but I just decided i'd do it.
- 36:56Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. I think use him.
- 37:00Speaker 4: I think he'd be a nice help. He's in good shape. Yeah,
- 37:03Speaker 4: he's still in great shape. But I think that he
- 37:06Speaker 4: hates the Rams now. I think that he'd likes to
- 37:08Speaker 4: play for a defensive coach and not one of them
- 37:10Speaker 4: stilly offensive coaches for once.
- 37:12Speaker 3: Uh So, anyway, I'm throwing it out there.
- 37:14Speaker 4: We're signing Aaron Donald. So anyway, may want to do some,
- 37:17Speaker 4: may want to do some.
- 37:22Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm supposed to go follow the lead on.
- 37:26Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll leave some bread crumbs for you. You follow him,
- 37:29Speaker 4: you do the rest. Okay, Uh, I've heard worse.
- 37:34Speaker 3: All right, Well let's get it started.
- 37:36Speaker 4: Man, What a game, what a matchup we've got on Sunday?
- 37:39Speaker 4: And uh and Hugh, I mean I could tell on
- 37:42Speaker 4: Monday you couldn't wait to start talking about these two
- 37:45Speaker 4: coaches going head to head, these minds getting ready to meet,
- 37:48Speaker 4: and so here we are on Thursday. There's no I
- 37:51Speaker 4: don't even know if we played a game this past week.
- 37:53Speaker 4: All I'm focused on is the Rams. So McDonald versus McVeigh,
- 37:57Speaker 4: How excited are you to watch this chess match?
- 37:59Speaker 3: Couldn't be more excited?
- 38:01Speaker 11: I just get echo, yes, but I couldn't be upside
- 38:07Speaker 11: And so you just look at it's not just the
- 38:11Speaker 11: coaching matchup. I even go as so far as Lesnie
- 38:14Speaker 11: the GM versus John Schneider and some of the decisions
- 38:18Speaker 11: they've made. But but with you know, and and Sam Donold,
- 38:22Speaker 11: you know, his his nemesis is one playoff game was
- 38:25Speaker 11: was just a few months back against these Rams. So
- 38:28Speaker 11: I think that he's got a little bit of a
- 38:30Speaker 11: monkey on his back. I'm excited to watch him. But
- 38:33Speaker 11: you know, when you think about John Schneider and the
- 38:36Speaker 11: decision they made to let Pete Carroll walk, and you know,
- 38:41Speaker 11: it was thought that hey, we got to get maybe
- 38:42Speaker 11: Ben Johnson to get a similar you know, an elite
- 38:45Speaker 11: offensive mine.
- 38:46Speaker 3: Maybe he would be the guy.
- 38:47Speaker 11: But I think that once they sat down with Mike McDonald,
- 38:50Speaker 11: they were singularly focused on. No, the way we're going
- 38:54Speaker 11: to win this NFC West against these brilliant minds and
- 38:56Speaker 11: Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan is we're gonna get equal
- 39:00Speaker 11: brilliance on the opposite side of the ball. And all
- 39:02Speaker 11: of the data prior to that and all of the
- 39:05Speaker 11: data after that have have proven, in my opinion that
- 39:08Speaker 11: that was, you know, the right decision called a great decision,
- 39:13Speaker 11: love the path of the defense. And so you know,
- 39:16Speaker 11: you you've got some titans. I mean, this is Bobby
- 39:18Speaker 11: Fisher against big Blue IBM. I mean, you know in
- 39:22Speaker 11: a chess matchic you can't you can't get any bigger,
- 39:26Speaker 11: greg in terms of of of just kind of a
- 39:29Speaker 11: divisional matchup and the coaching battle on one on one
- 39:34Speaker 11: side of the ball versus the other. I bet man,
- 39:37Speaker 11: it's going to be great, great theater, Gregor.
- 39:39Speaker 4: He was fired up for it as what we are
- 39:41Speaker 4: just to watch from a football perspective, just to see
- 39:44Speaker 4: these two go ahead.
- 39:45Speaker 3: That I mean, the first year, rookie year.
- 39:46Speaker 4: Mike McDonald has a little learning curve, but right now
- 39:49Speaker 4: he seems to be humming, and we know mcveigh's always humming.
- 39:52Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be honest, there I'm doing I've been doing
- 39:55Speaker 2: this a couple of days now, twenty plus years, and
- 39:58Speaker 2: when I get on planes on some weekend in November, it's.
- 40:01Speaker 3: Like, I won't mind this trip.
- 40:04Speaker 2: This is I'm getting on a plane to LA on Saturday,
- 40:07Speaker 2: and I'm going to see something that should be very fascinating.
- 40:10Speaker 3: He's right.
- 40:11Speaker 2: The reason they hired Mike McDonald is to win this game.
- 40:15Speaker 2: They decided the most broken part of their team was
- 40:17Speaker 2: what had once gotten them to the Super Bowl twice
- 40:20Speaker 2: in a row, and that's their defense and Yp Carroll
- 40:22Speaker 2: was no longer their coach. Is that the defense had
- 40:24Speaker 2: faltered so poorly.
- 40:26Speaker 3: Remember when they.
- 40:27Speaker 2: Hired Mike McDonald, they were thirtieth, thirty, first, thirty second
- 40:30Speaker 2: in the league for a couple of years against the run.
- 40:34Speaker 2: You know what they are now they're number one. And
- 40:37Speaker 2: that's where it starts. When you play the Rams. Everyone
- 40:40Speaker 2: gets Sean McVay his kudos and flowers for his past game,
- 40:43Speaker 2: his quick pass game and what he made Hooper Cup
- 40:45Speaker 2: and Matthew Stafford and all the crossers and horizontal games
- 40:50Speaker 2: you play with defenses, but it starts with the run
- 40:53Speaker 2: and the threat to run that allows all that stuff
- 40:56Speaker 2: to work and give the quarterback time to throw and
- 40:59Speaker 2: in game after game after game over the years against
- 41:01Speaker 2: the Seahawks, the Rams have it doesn't matter who the
- 41:04Speaker 2: running backs have been, third, fourth string guys off the
- 41:07Speaker 2: practice squad, Kyrine Williams, it doesn't matter. The same results
- 41:11Speaker 2: they established the run. They have thirds and shorts, second
- 41:14Speaker 2: in shorts, and the Seahawks are on their heels defensively
- 41:17Speaker 2: the entire time screen passes Tyler Higbee tight ends thirteen
- 41:21Speaker 2: person All of that stems off the fact that they
- 41:24Speaker 2: had short guardage on second and third down to do
- 41:26Speaker 2: whatever they wanted in mcveigh's playbook.
- 41:29Speaker 3: McDonald this year so far has.
- 41:30Speaker 2: Limited offensive play callers to third and longs because they've
- 41:36Speaker 2: stopped the run on early downs and that has allowed
- 41:39Speaker 2: McDonald to dictate.
- 41:40Speaker 3: To two offenses on third down.
- 41:43Speaker 2: All of it that we've been talking about since September, Guys,
- 41:46Speaker 2: doesn't matter if they don't beat the Rams. If they
- 41:48Speaker 2: don't beat the Rams, they're not winning the division. They're
- 41:50Speaker 2: not having home playoff games, not going to Super Bowl.
- 41:52Speaker 2: I know they've been great on the road, they're not
- 41:54Speaker 2: winning three games on the road. In January to go
- 41:56Speaker 2: to Super Bowl.
- 41:57Speaker 3: They just aren't.
- 41:58Speaker 2: The history of the NFL and the history of the
- 41:59Speaker 2: seat so tells us that. So this is what they've
- 42:02Speaker 2: been building toward, and it's the times of beating the
- 42:05Speaker 2: Steelers and the Saints and the Cardinals twice.
- 42:07Speaker 3: It's over.
- 42:09Speaker 2: Now it's time to beat the teams that you have
- 42:10Speaker 2: to to win the division. In the first one of
- 42:12Speaker 2: those Sunday, we'll see how McDonald's and his defense does
- 42:15Speaker 2: against McVeigh in that setting.
- 42:17Speaker 11: I fee I lot to go to respond to their
- 42:21Speaker 11: First of all, I feel like Seattle needs to split
- 42:24Speaker 11: with the Rams. I don't feel like if they were
- 42:26Speaker 11: to lose this game Sunday that that prevents them from
- 42:30Speaker 11: winning the division. Obviously we're all hoping that they will.
- 42:35Speaker 11: But you know, Greg touched on the thirteen personnel that's
- 42:39Speaker 11: one running back, three tight ends. That is, the Rams
- 42:44Speaker 11: are number one in the use of that to Greg's
- 42:47Speaker 11: point about their desire to run the ball. Now, Seattle,
- 42:51Speaker 11: their cold run play percent is Seattle at fifty two,
- 42:57Speaker 11: they're number one in the NFL. But the Rams are eight,
- 43:01Speaker 11: you know, you know, forty three percent but still eighth
- 43:04Speaker 11: and and so uh, Yeah, you have to get them
- 43:07Speaker 11: in the too, the longer yardage situations and those thirteen personnel.
- 43:12Speaker 11: Let's see Seattle. I think an important part of this
- 43:15Speaker 11: Seattle's number one in defensively in the use of nickel
- 43:19Speaker 11: eighty six percent of the time. But their nickel has changed.
- 43:23Speaker 11: The nickel a lot was uh with Devin Witherspoon, you know,
- 43:29Speaker 11: one hundred and eighty one pounder was the the nickel.
- 43:32Speaker 11: Now with Nickim and Worry two hundred and twenty pounds,
- 43:35Speaker 11: they can play. They can play in the paint, hardball
- 43:38Speaker 11: in the paint more with the nickel that they have,
- 43:42Speaker 11: So it's not just nickel's how is your nickel constructed?
- 43:46Speaker 11: And when Sean mccavay wants to go to those heavy sets, look,
- 43:50Speaker 11: Seattle may ultimately be compelled to say we we we
- 43:53Speaker 11: got to play bass and have three linebackers on the field,
- 43:55Speaker 11: and they're not they're they're they're nicked up at linebacker.
- 43:58Speaker 11: But uh, if they want to play the nickel, as
- 44:00Speaker 11: I mean that's eighty six percent of the time they
- 44:03Speaker 11: want to play nickel, they can based on the talent
- 44:06Speaker 11: they've acquired here with the Eamon Worry at popping Devin
- 44:09Speaker 11: Witherspoon out there to play corner.
- 44:11Speaker 2: The last four weeks, when the Rams have beaten everybody
- 44:14Speaker 2: by fourteen or more points, just boat racing the entire league,
- 44:17Speaker 2: They've been in thirteen personnel with three tight ends forty
- 44:21Speaker 2: percent of the time, almost half the time. Half the time.
- 44:25Speaker 2: Now the teams they've been playing have been going to
- 44:28Speaker 2: base defense against that, including the San Francisco forty nine
- 44:31Speaker 2: ers last week. Their answer to three tight ends has
- 44:33Speaker 2: been debased so far.
- 44:35Speaker 12: Mike McDonald's answer to three tight ends has been nickel
- 44:38Speaker 12: and dime against thirteen. This season, McDonald's been in nickel
- 44:43Speaker 12: or dime fifty eight percent of the time, which leads
- 44:46Speaker 12: to huston an eighty six percent time against any formation
- 44:49Speaker 12: there in nickel but there, McDonald is gonna give McVeigh
- 44:54Speaker 12: something on Sunday he hasn't been seeing, which is extra
- 44:57Speaker 12: defensive backs against his three tight ends. Nick Emon worry
- 45:01Speaker 12: is the reason you can go nickel and dime against
- 45:04Speaker 12: three tight ends. He's a two hundred and twenty pounds
- 45:06Speaker 12: and sixty four big enough to take on Tyler Higbee
- 45:08Speaker 12: and tight ends around the league. Yet he's fast enough
- 45:11Speaker 12: and sure enough to make tackles in the open field
- 45:13Speaker 12: like Witherspoon and oh by the way, they're gonna blitz
- 45:16Speaker 12: him off the edge a few times as well too,
- 45:19Speaker 12: pla him as a post Sakety to play him as
- 45:20Speaker 12: a slot corner. They're gonna play him in different ways
- 45:22Speaker 12: that McVeigh hasn't seen yet. Emon Worry and Witherspoon coming
- 45:27Speaker 12: back healthy gives McVeigh a lot more to have to
- 45:31Speaker 12: digest When he goes thirteen personnel, He's gonna see some
- 45:34Speaker 12: sub packages and nickel and dime. McDonald's even floating now there.
- 45:38Speaker 2: He's gonna do more dime this week because of how
- 45:40Speaker 2: neami Pritchett played against Arizona. He wanted I led him
- 45:43Speaker 2: into a question on Monday that I know he wanted
- 45:46Speaker 2: out publicly, so McVeigh could hear. Yeah, we may do
- 45:48Speaker 2: more dime because I can't keep pritching off the field.
- 45:51Speaker 2: He may not do it as much as he tried
- 45:53Speaker 2: to bleed on so McVeigh. But the point is Seattle's
- 45:56Speaker 2: defense could be far more varied than what McVeigh has
- 45:59Speaker 2: been attacking with his extra tight end so far. That's
- 46:01Speaker 2: another game within a game.
- 46:02Speaker 11: Well, as we're talking personnel. I think a point in
- 46:06Speaker 11: this is the is Davante Adams. Now, if Davante Adams
- 46:10Speaker 11: is your number two receiver, you know, like like that guy. Now,
- 46:15Speaker 11: I get it, he's older, but he has a potential
- 46:17Speaker 11: to really impact a game in my opinion. Still, And
- 46:21Speaker 11: you know, to that point, the Rams for the season offensively,
- 46:27Speaker 11: they're eleven personnel, which is the number one personnel for
- 46:30Speaker 11: every team in the NFL other than Baltimore. They're at
- 46:34Speaker 11: sixty eight points called sixty nine percent, that's sixth most.
- 46:39Speaker 11: They may have Greg been going to thirteen, you know,
- 46:42Speaker 11: the more of the tight end sets and leaving the
- 46:45Speaker 11: one receiver Pooka nakup on the field because they didn't
- 46:50Speaker 11: have a healthy Adam. So I don't you know, you
- 46:53Speaker 11: may know from a reporting standpoint, what's the latest injury
- 46:56Speaker 11: up to date with him, but I think some of that,
- 46:59Speaker 11: the those inclinations may have been because of the personnel
- 47:05Speaker 11: that they had healthy.
- 47:06Speaker 3: What do we know about Adams?
- 47:07Speaker 10: Greg?
- 47:08Speaker 4: And then I will flip it on the Seahawks side.
- 47:10Speaker 4: Is Ernest Jones going to play? How important is that?
- 47:14Speaker 2: Well, let's start with the Seahawks. First, Ernest Jones was
- 47:16Speaker 2: on the field yesterday in a limited fashion to practice.
- 47:21Speaker 2: He of course tweeted out and then I think the
- 47:22Speaker 2: Seahawks made him take it down, resurrecting from the dead
- 47:26Speaker 2: a rap star resurrect from the dead on Tuesday, saying
- 47:29Speaker 2: he's back, he's playing. But if he's breathing on Sunday morning,
- 47:32Speaker 2: he's playing. And I'm thinking I'm gonna predict it. He's
- 47:34Speaker 2: going to be breathing on Sunday morning, so he's going
- 47:37Speaker 2: to be in the middle of that defense because he's
- 47:38Speaker 2: not missing this game.
- 47:40Speaker 4: Sure he missed that Aaron Donald's story, but you got
- 47:43Speaker 4: this one, all right, good?
- 47:44Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to bypass the Aaron Donald's story for
- 47:47Speaker 2: my time being. My LA connections haven't given me any
- 47:50Speaker 2: reason to go chase that one.
- 47:51Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, okay.
- 47:54Speaker 2: Tory Harton was on the field yesterday. Jake Bobo was
- 47:56Speaker 2: on the field yesterday. Both of them missed the game
- 47:58Speaker 2: last week with injuries. It looks like they're going to
- 48:04Speaker 2: have Josh Job try to go through the concussion protocol
- 48:06Speaker 2: and see how he fares at the end of the week.
- 48:08Speaker 2: He was on the practice field beginning to practice yesterday
- 48:11Speaker 2: at the starting corner and he's important because he's going
- 48:14Speaker 2: back in the starting line. There's some people that's saying, well,
- 48:16Speaker 2: riek wool And will start over Josh Job. I don't
- 48:18Speaker 2: see that happening. I see Joe going right back to
- 48:21Speaker 2: starting and then your dying becomes Woolen, not pritch it
- 48:26Speaker 2: as much, unless he wants to play seven defensive backs,
- 48:28Speaker 2: which I don't see happening. But it looks like with
- 48:31Speaker 2: the exception of course, at Jaylensondell, who's going to miss
- 48:34Speaker 2: the game with the knee injury, it looks like they're
- 48:36Speaker 2: getting healthier on that side of the ball. Adams the
- 48:39Speaker 2: oblique yesterday did not practice down in LA but again
- 48:43Speaker 2: in November on a Wednesday, four days before a game.
- 48:45Speaker 2: I wouldn't read too much into a veteran not practicing.
- 48:48Speaker 2: Let's see if he practices Thursday or Friday.
- 48:51Speaker 3: Yep.
- 48:52Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, I just going back to your question
- 48:55Speaker 11: about the coaching because there's still I still got more
- 48:58Speaker 11: notes and the coaching match. If you go back to
- 49:02Speaker 11: Mike McDonald's last year at Baltimore when they played the Rams.
- 49:07Speaker 11: Baltimore won the game, but the Rams scored thirty points,
- 49:11Speaker 11: so in a way, you know, you could say advantage McVeigh.
- 49:16Speaker 11: Last year in lumen in lumen Field, it was flipped.
- 49:21Speaker 11: You look at the score, you say, well, the Rams
- 49:22Speaker 11: beat the Seahawks twenty six to twenty. They scored twenty
- 49:25Speaker 11: six points.
- 49:26Speaker 3: Did they No.
- 49:28Speaker 11: Gino Smith had one hundred and five yard interception return,
- 49:33Speaker 11: had another interception in the red zone, and one of
- 49:37Speaker 11: those touchdowns was in overtime. So in regulation the Rams
- 49:42Speaker 11: only scored thirteen points against the Seahawk defense. And in
- 49:46Speaker 11: that game the Rams had the most they had. They
- 49:50Speaker 11: had seven to three and outs against Seattle's defense. So
- 49:54Speaker 11: that was right around the time after the Buffalo game
- 49:57Speaker 11: when Seattle was kind of at its worst and they
- 49:59Speaker 11: were starting hit their inclined, just like in year one.
- 50:02Speaker 11: In twenty twenty two in Baltimore, that that chess. Now,
- 50:07Speaker 11: we didn't see the chess match in the last game
- 50:09Speaker 11: of the year because that was a JV game nobody
- 50:11Speaker 11: was playing. But that mid season game, you know, I
- 50:15Speaker 11: think there's reason to say, wait a minute, Mike McDonald,
- 50:18Speaker 11: he got the best of saw McVay. I think that
- 50:20Speaker 11: game has relevance.
- 50:21Speaker 3: Well let's talk about that.
- 50:23Speaker 4: I mean, okay, so if a train's leaving the station,
- 50:25Speaker 4: Mike McDonald at fifty five miles per hour heading north
- 50:28Speaker 4: and then trains leaving the station in La Matthew Stafford
- 50:31Speaker 4: and he's playing his best football and he's going seventy
- 50:34Speaker 4: five miles per hour heading east. What happens when the
- 50:36Speaker 4: two collide? I mean, can the great Mike McDonald stump
- 50:40Speaker 4: Matt Stafford as well as he's playing right now?
- 50:42Speaker 11: You well, I think that you look at what the
- 50:48Speaker 11: Rams do, well, they you know, the more you look
- 50:50Speaker 11: at this game, they just really match up very similarly.
- 50:54Speaker 11: You know, both teams offensively, you know they're gonna get
- 50:59Speaker 11: in shit. The Rams are number one in under center,
- 51:05Speaker 11: the Seahawks are number two. So in in play action percentage, uh,
- 51:10Speaker 11: the Rams are number one, the Seahawks are six. But
- 51:15Speaker 11: and uh, you know passer rating play action, well, the
- 51:19Speaker 11: Seahawks and Sam Donald there number two. Sam Donald as
- 51:22Speaker 11: one hundred and twenty eight passer rating eight four. So
- 51:25Speaker 11: that I think that what's gonna happen is you're gonna
- 51:29Speaker 11: have some really exotic blitzes at very critical time that
- 51:35Speaker 11: Mike McDonald is gonna he's gonna employ For example, he said,
- 51:39Speaker 11: wait a minute, Matthew Stafford. He's a veteran, he can
- 51:43Speaker 11: handle that.
- 51:43Speaker 3: Well.
- 51:44Speaker 11: How about when Leonard Williams had a ninety seven yard
- 51:48Speaker 11: pick six return against Aaron Rodgers right on a on
- 51:51Speaker 11: a dropping pop and drop type of scheme with cover zero.
- 51:57Speaker 11: Looked like on all our blitz but the defensive tack
- 52:00Speaker 11: was we're blocking. Uh uh, we're receding. So I think
- 52:02Speaker 11: that there is an opportunity to get Matthew Stafford, particularly,
- 52:08Speaker 11: you know, an under center play action he's got his
- 52:10Speaker 11: back turned. There may be some and they I miss
- 52:15Speaker 11: where the receivers are close to the ball. That gives
- 52:18Speaker 11: a lot of blitzing opportunities for corners. Devin Witherspoon, you
- 52:22Speaker 11: line up, you say, hey, wait a minute, if they
- 52:24Speaker 11: get into this formation from this hash mark, you go,
- 52:28Speaker 11: it's and and and Weatherspoon is a great uh you
- 52:33Speaker 11: know ballhawks. So so the Seahawks don't do it often.
- 52:37Speaker 11: They're the percentage of plays where they bring five rushers,
- 52:42Speaker 11: the Seahawks are twenty ninth in the league. But the
- 52:46Speaker 11: percentage of times that they bring a dB in the rush,
- 52:50Speaker 11: there's seventh. So what wait, you say, what what the
- 52:53Speaker 11: hell does that mean?
- 52:54Speaker 3: How could that?
- 52:54Speaker 11: How could those two facts be true because you're doing
- 52:57Speaker 11: simulated pressures, you're dropping defensive lineman off away from the pressure.
- 53:02Speaker 11: And here's the critical point, Chuck, to answer your question
- 53:06Speaker 11: on the percentage of plays where they bring five or
- 53:09Speaker 11: more that's defined as the blitz in the NFL, when
- 53:13Speaker 11: they the percentage of time they produce a negative EPA
- 53:16Speaker 11: Expected points average. We're not going to go through that.
- 53:18Speaker 11: Google it if you're it's a new matrix that has
- 53:21Speaker 11: correlation to winning. The percentage of times that the Seahawks
- 53:24Speaker 11: bring five or more rushers and they produce a negative EPA.
- 53:28Speaker 11: They're second in the NFL, so they don't do it often,
- 53:32Speaker 11: but they are very effective when they do it. And
- 53:35Speaker 11: and by the way, last week they they were number one.
- 53:37Speaker 11: I don't know after that Cardinal game how they could
- 53:40Speaker 11: have fallen from one to two, but they are really
- 53:42Speaker 11: really effective. So what does that speak to That is
- 53:45Speaker 11: Mike mcdone. All those numbers point to Mike McDonald doesn't
- 53:48Speaker 11: blitz a lot. When he does blitz, it's creative and
- 53:51Speaker 11: it's it's a non risky situation more often to be
- 53:55Speaker 11: his zone behind it, right, And and it's discussed well
- 54:00Speaker 11: enough that they're creating having That's what those numbers point to.
- 54:04Speaker 11: And I think that they can get Matthew Stafford in
- 54:08Speaker 11: the same manner that they got Aaron Rodgers. It might
- 54:10Speaker 11: only take one or two big plays at the right
- 54:13Speaker 11: time in what we expect to be a close game.
- 54:15Speaker 3: Great look for number zero.
- 54:17Speaker 2: DeMarcus Lawrence in coverage on Sunday, he talked about that yesterday.
- 54:21Speaker 2: He said that that's the one they called Mike McDonald's
- 54:24Speaker 2: play defensive playbook a Harvard playbook that you need a
- 54:27Speaker 2: Harvard education to figure it out. But the main difference
- 54:30Speaker 2: is he said he had to know when to pass
- 54:32Speaker 2: us and when to cover, and in Dallas for eleven
- 54:34Speaker 2: years he never had to worry about when to cover.
- 54:37Speaker 11: MY biggest concern about this, and please remember, I said,
- 54:42Speaker 11: Matthew Stafford is a right handed quarterback. I can't believe
- 54:46Speaker 11: how many times, for as smart as Mike McDonald is,
- 54:50Speaker 11: how many times And Marcus Lawrence has been as guilty
- 54:53Speaker 11: as anybody greg when he brought it up. Is there
- 54:56Speaker 11: losing contained? Don't lose contained to a right handed quarterback? Extended?
- 55:00Speaker 11: Now you've got to cover three times as long if
- 55:03Speaker 11: you're going to if you're gonna lose contained make a
- 55:06Speaker 11: quarterback go left. It's much harder for him under under
- 55:09Speaker 11: dress to make a play going to his left, So
- 55:11Speaker 11: so d law and others. That's that's a That's one
- 55:15Speaker 11: of my concerns is that you know you lost the
- 55:17Speaker 11: forty nine ers game with Brock Purdy. You know DeMarcus
- 55:21Speaker 11: Lawrence lost contained Rock Purdy. He's out on the edge.
- 55:24Speaker 11: Now a two and a half second played becomes a
- 55:27Speaker 11: five and a half second play.
- 55:28Speaker 3: Can't cover that long, So that fifty of his yards
- 55:32Speaker 3: that way.
- 55:34Speaker 4: Well, it is certainly fascinating McVeigh versus McDonald this Sunday,
- 55:39Speaker 4: that that battle inside the war if you will uh
- 55:43Speaker 4: as they get ready to uh to do their thing. Yeah,
- 55:46Speaker 4: it make fascinating as a matter of fact. Coming up
- 55:49Speaker 4: on the other side, though, we will talk about Sam Donald.
- 55:52Speaker 4: All right, So how we stop Sam Donald? Maybe there
- 55:54Speaker 4: is a blueprint as you mapped it out, But what
- 55:57Speaker 4: about scoring points? Can we keep scoring at a thirty
- 56:00Speaker 4: point per game clip against one of the top five
- 56:02Speaker 4: defenses in the National Football League. We'll talk about Sam
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- 56:13Speaker 4: nine o'clock hour here on this Thursday, man, have we
- 56:16Speaker 4: discussed the MVP of the Major League Baseball season a
- 56:21Speaker 4: lot this calendar year, and for good reason. You can't
- 56:24Speaker 4: spell calendar without cal cal Raleigh and Aaron Judge. One
- 56:29Speaker 4: of those two is gonna be named Most Valuable Player
- 56:32Speaker 4: tonight of of the American League. And you can catch
- 56:36Speaker 4: the coverage at MLB Network. They have exclusive coverage of
- 56:40Speaker 4: the MVP Award results. It's gonna start at four pm
- 56:44Speaker 4: our time, and you can watch our next guest.
- 56:48Speaker 3: You know, break it down for you. We're gonna have
- 56:50Speaker 3: break it down for us right now.
- 56:51Speaker 4: Thirteen year major League Baseball catcher, mostly with the Tigers.
- 56:55Speaker 3: Sorry about having to beat you.
- 56:57Speaker 4: Alex Avila now joins us right here on Chuck in Buck.
- 57:00Speaker 13: Good morning, sir, Good morning guys. Appreciate you having me,
- 57:05Speaker 13: And that's all right. It was one heck of a series,
- 57:08Speaker 13: wasn't it, That Tiger's Mariners series, So, like you know,
- 57:12Speaker 13: it's one of those where, yeah, I might have had
- 57:14Speaker 13: a little bit of you know, rooting for the Tigers,
- 57:19Speaker 13: but at the same time I wasn't upset to see
- 57:21Speaker 13: the Mariners move on at that point.
- 57:23Speaker 3: Well, thank you for joining us. We appreciated it.
- 57:27Speaker 4: I'm really curious to get your thoughts on this MVP
- 57:30Speaker 4: decision tonight. And I don't know if there's bias because
- 57:34Speaker 4: you're a catcher. I mean, does every catcher have to
- 57:37Speaker 4: vote for Cal for MVP Alex?
- 57:43Speaker 13: You know, I think most catchers would tell you yes, okay,
- 57:48Speaker 13: you know, and just and just because of you know,
- 57:51Speaker 13: you don't you don't really understand what a catcher goes
- 57:54Speaker 13: through unless you're a catcher, right.
- 57:56Speaker 8: And.
- 57:58Speaker 13: You know, to see what Cal did the course of
- 58:00Speaker 13: the whole year, I mean, it was was truly remarkable
- 58:05Speaker 13: having been through that, So I think most catchers would say, yeah, like,
- 58:10Speaker 13: if you have a guy like Cal that has a
- 58:13Speaker 13: year like he had a historic season, you know, that's
- 58:18Speaker 13: definitely merits to the m v P. But like you said,
- 58:20Speaker 13: we were we were debating this all year because it's
- 58:23Speaker 13: it's the best probably MVP race that we've had in
- 58:26Speaker 13: a long time and probably probably And it kind of
- 58:30Speaker 13: reminds me and I go back to twenty twelve MVP
- 58:34Speaker 13: race between Cabrera and Mike Trout. That's what it kind
- 58:38Speaker 13: of reminds me of that a little bit, because you
- 58:41Speaker 13: know Trout was by far the most valuable player you
- 58:45Speaker 13: know from from the way he can impact the game
- 58:48Speaker 13: at that point in time. But Cabrera won a triple crown,
- 58:52Speaker 13: so it was like, you know, what do you what
- 58:55Speaker 13: do you do there? In a similar situation, you have
- 58:57Speaker 13: Aaron Judge right that has you know, incredible numbers, historic
- 59:02Speaker 13: season in his own right, but you know the season
- 59:05Speaker 13: that Cal had, breaking the homer record for a switch hitter,
- 59:09Speaker 13: you know, for a catcher and a Mariners franchise record, Like,
- 59:13Speaker 13: how do you not fall in love with that story?
- 59:15Speaker 3: One hundred percent?
- 59:16Speaker 5: And yet to me and correct me if I'm wrong,
- 59:19Speaker 5: give me the catcher's perspective. I mean, although I played,
- 59:22Speaker 5: I didn't catch outside of a week where my college
- 59:25Speaker 5: coach thought, hey, let's try this out. I did one
- 59:28Speaker 5: session of blocking balls and said, yeah, no thanks, I'll
- 59:31Speaker 5: get back out in right field. So I understand the
- 59:34Speaker 5: difference just having played as long as I did. To me,
- 59:37Speaker 5: it's not even the I mean the historic numbers he
- 59:40Speaker 5: put up as a switch hitter and a catcher home
- 59:42Speaker 5: run wise, sure, but I mean when it comes to
- 59:44Speaker 5: just comparing offenses, I think the reason it's a debate
- 59:47Speaker 5: at all. Is because is because you know, Cal did
- 59:51Speaker 5: great offensively, but it's not he didn't even compare offensively
- 59:54Speaker 5: to what the numbers I think that that Judge put up.
- 59:57Speaker 5: To me, it's the it's the other stuff. It's the
- 1:00:00Speaker 5: pitch selection and calling a game. It's the framing balls,
- 1:00:03Speaker 5: it's blocking wild pitches, it's whearing foul balls, are throwing
- 1:00:06Speaker 5: out base runners, and you know, managing your pitching staff
- 1:00:09Speaker 5: mentally and and going out there mound visits and helping
- 1:00:12Speaker 5: them through tough times. I mean, to me, that's where
- 1:00:16Speaker 5: you can't put a number on that stuff. Necessarily they
- 1:00:18Speaker 5: try to, but you can't put a number on all
- 1:00:20Speaker 5: that stuff. And to me, that's where it doesn't even
- 1:00:22Speaker 5: feel like it's a it's a legitimate competition in my opinion,
- 1:00:26Speaker 5: even though I'm giving Judge all the credit he deserves
- 1:00:28Speaker 5: for the outstanding performance he did offensively.
- 1:00:32Speaker 13: No, I mean, I agree with you. I think that's
- 1:00:35Speaker 13: where it separates, at least in my eyes. I mean,
- 1:00:39Speaker 13: because when you look at Judges numbers, he led major
- 1:00:42Speaker 13: league baseball, not just the American League, major League baseball
- 1:00:45Speaker 13: in every single offensive category. And then when you look
- 1:00:48Speaker 13: at you know, America obviously an American league, Cal had
- 1:00:52Speaker 13: got him in Homer's and RBIs. But like judges judges season,
- 1:00:58Speaker 13: like you're you're talking about guys like Mickey Mann Old
- 1:01:01Speaker 13: Jimmy Fox, like you know his he's going to go
- 1:01:05Speaker 13: down as a legendary player. But you know, I also
- 1:01:11Speaker 13: look at it when when when it comes to MVP,
- 1:01:13Speaker 13: it's obviously, you know, value to your team. You know
- 1:01:18Speaker 13: what Cal was able to do for the Mariners over
- 1:01:21Speaker 13: the course of the year, really put them on his
- 1:01:23Speaker 13: shoulders over the course of the year, propel them into
- 1:01:27Speaker 13: the playoffs, get deep into the playoffs. I mean you
- 1:01:29Speaker 13: can see it the way Cal is playing through the playoffs,
- 1:01:33Speaker 13: Like you could tell he was tired, like his like
- 1:01:36Speaker 13: he was giving absolutely everything he had physically and still
- 1:01:39Speaker 13: producing at an incredibly high level. But like you know,
- 1:01:44Speaker 13: from a player's perspective, watching the games through the course
- 1:01:47Speaker 13: of the playoffs, you could tell, like man like like
- 1:01:50Speaker 13: he was giving everything he had. So I think that
- 1:01:55Speaker 13: and you know, when you put that together with the
- 1:01:59Speaker 13: type of season he had from historical historical perspective as
- 1:02:03Speaker 13: a catcher and a switch hitter, I just I fell
- 1:02:08Speaker 13: in love with the story and I think the narrative,
- 1:02:11Speaker 13: you know, the story when you have you know, that
- 1:02:15Speaker 13: kind of season should play into you know, the decision
- 1:02:21Speaker 13: on on on the most valuable player, because Cal was
- 1:02:24Speaker 13: to his team, to the Mariners, you know, the most
- 1:02:28Speaker 13: valuable guide. And I'm not I'm not a big fan
- 1:02:31Speaker 13: of the whole debate. Well, if you take him off
- 1:02:33Speaker 13: the team, does the team still do that? Like a
- 1:02:35Speaker 13: lot of people are trying to talk about that with
- 1:02:36Speaker 13: Judge all the Yankees still be a good team? Would
- 1:02:39Speaker 13: the Mariners be as good without Cal? All that kind
- 1:02:42Speaker 13: of stuff. To me, I put I put that out
- 1:02:45Speaker 13: the window.
- 1:02:46Speaker 10: For me.
- 1:02:46Speaker 13: It's more about, like you know, with them actually on
- 1:02:50Speaker 13: the team, let's debase them on the team and what
- 1:02:52Speaker 13: their value is to that team, the type of narrative
- 1:02:57Speaker 13: that is throughout that that that develops throughout the season
- 1:03:01Speaker 13: because of their incredible performance. I think that all should
- 1:03:05Speaker 13: play into into the decision. But there is, like you said,
- 1:03:09Speaker 13: so much more that goes into what a catcher does
- 1:03:13Speaker 13: on a daily basis that is impossible to quantify in
- 1:03:17Speaker 13: terms of value for your team. That you know, Cal
- 1:03:21Speaker 13: obviously brought that to the Mariners and and I'd even think,
- 1:03:24Speaker 13: like Judge would tell you, Yeah, obviously, you know, a
- 1:03:27Speaker 13: catcher's got a lot more on his plate than than
- 1:03:30Speaker 13: an outfielder does on a daily basis, and you know,
- 1:03:34Speaker 13: to be able to do that and put up the
- 1:03:37Speaker 13: type of numbers from an offensive perspective he did, Uh,
- 1:03:41Speaker 13: and also have another very good season behind the plate.
- 1:03:46Speaker 13: I mean it for me, it's hard to it's hard
- 1:03:49Speaker 13: to argue, but to your point, yeah, I mean the
- 1:03:52Speaker 13: season that Judge has, Like, that's why this.
- 1:03:54Speaker 10: Is at debate.
- 1:03:56Speaker 4: Plus, I mean, cal Rally is a human being and
- 1:03:59Speaker 4: Aaron Judge is a centaur, and I think that.
- 1:04:01Speaker 3: Should factor that to the conversation. And it's not.
- 1:04:05Speaker 4: Factoring in enough, and the conversations I'm hearing it's not
- 1:04:08Speaker 4: even coming up. Alex Savila is with his former major
- 1:04:11Speaker 4: league catcher member of the Major League Baseball Network. He'll
- 1:04:14Speaker 4: be a part of the network that does the next
- 1:04:17Speaker 4: outstanding job their coverage of the MVP announcement tonight at
- 1:04:21Speaker 4: four o'clock.
- 1:04:22Speaker 3: What is it?
- 1:04:23Speaker 4: I mean, if somebody, just average Yankee fan sat by
- 1:04:27Speaker 4: you and said, why is it so much more important
- 1:04:33Speaker 4: that he played catcher? Why is that even a factor?
- 1:04:35Speaker 4: Give us some insight into what even the average baseball
- 1:04:40Speaker 4: fan doesn't understand what a catcher goes through on a
- 1:04:44Speaker 4: year by year basis and a day by day basis.
- 1:04:48Speaker 13: Well, I mean, the one thing is that a catcher,
- 1:04:51Speaker 13: their first priority is the pitcher. So most of your
- 1:04:57Speaker 13: day revolves around trying to help that picture be the
- 1:05:02Speaker 13: best he can on that particular day, and not just
- 1:05:06Speaker 13: your starting pitcher, but all your relievers as well. So
- 1:05:09Speaker 13: that's your number one priority. And every catcher would tell
- 1:05:12Speaker 13: you that, even even the really good offensive catchers you
- 1:05:16Speaker 13: know that we've had throughout history, their number one priority
- 1:05:20Speaker 13: is the success of their pitcher. So your day revolves
- 1:05:23Speaker 13: around him, you know, from you know game prep, you know,
- 1:05:29Speaker 13: knowing the ins and outs of all of your guys
- 1:05:32Speaker 13: as far as what makes them tick, how to motivate them,
- 1:05:35Speaker 13: how to get them through tough situations, how to keep
- 1:05:39Speaker 13: them grounded at times like all those things going to play.
- 1:05:42Speaker 13: That's part of your responsibility as a catcher, and that
- 1:05:45Speaker 13: is your number one responsibility. Then after that comes like
- 1:05:49Speaker 13: what you can do for yourself and for your team offensively.
- 1:05:55Speaker 13: So that's that's the biggest difference, where every other position
- 1:05:59Speaker 13: on the field, you know, is the priority is that
- 1:06:04Speaker 13: position and what you can bring from an offense and
- 1:06:08Speaker 13: defensive perspective, But the catcher, your your responsibility is the pitcher.
- 1:06:14Speaker 13: And then on top of that, just the physicality of
- 1:06:17Speaker 13: the position, you know, just having you know, blocking balls,
- 1:06:22Speaker 13: you know, the the wear and tear on the body
- 1:06:25Speaker 13: over the course of a of an entire season, especially
- 1:06:27Speaker 13: when you catch as many innings as Cow does. You know,
- 1:06:32Speaker 13: there's there's no other position that comes close to the
- 1:06:36Speaker 13: type of physical demand under body.
- 1:06:38Speaker 3: The year you hit nineteen and we're an All Star
- 1:06:40Speaker 3: in twenty eleven, you probably thought you did something pretty
- 1:06:43Speaker 3: special that year, didn't you.
- 1:06:45Speaker 13: Well, I actually got some down m VP boats and
- 1:06:48Speaker 13: that in that season exactly. And I'm looking at those
- 1:06:53Speaker 13: numbers and you know, obviously Cow's numbers dwarf those in comparison.
- 1:07:00Speaker 4: You had a fantastic career. You were you were a
- 1:07:02Speaker 4: lot of fun to watch.
- 1:07:03Speaker 3: So enjoy the show tonight. Uh.
- 1:07:07Speaker 4: Do you think Cal's gonna win? I can tell you
- 1:07:09Speaker 4: want Cal to win. Do you think he's gonna win?
- 1:07:11Speaker 4: Do you think that we'll have something to celebrate tonight?
- 1:07:14Speaker 4: Here in Seattle?
- 1:07:16Speaker 13: You know, I hope, So I'm rooting for Caw to win.
- 1:07:19Speaker 13: I've said it a few times over the course of
- 1:07:21Speaker 13: the year that I for some reason, I think it's judge,
- 1:07:27Speaker 13: you know. But but at the same time, like I'm
- 1:07:31Speaker 13: I'm rooting for caw To to do it because I
- 1:07:33Speaker 13: think he he absolutely deserves it. So I hope, uh,
- 1:07:37Speaker 13: I hope I'm wrong. But nonetheless, it was a it
- 1:07:43Speaker 13: was a fascinating season to have two tremendous players like
- 1:07:48Speaker 13: that have the years that they had. But I'm definitely
- 1:07:52Speaker 13: rooting for cal all right.
- 1:07:53Speaker 4: Great to hear. Uh, well, we'll be watching tonight. Thank
- 1:07:56Speaker 4: you very much for your time.
- 1:07:57Speaker 3: That was great, Thanks guys.
- 1:08:00Speaker 4: All Right, Alexavila, thirteen year catcher in the major leagues.
- 1:08:03Speaker 4: Catchers are going to be a little bit biased, But
- 1:08:05Speaker 4: you also need to know I thought that was such
- 1:08:08Speaker 4: a fascinating response. I mean, think about that, Bucky. I
- 1:08:11Speaker 4: know you know this, but I had sixty home runs
- 1:08:14Speaker 4: this year, and my focus wasn't the offense my offense
- 1:08:18Speaker 4: at any time during the season. My focus was making
- 1:08:22Speaker 4: sure the pitcher was ready to give us a great performance.
- 1:08:24Speaker 4: That's incredible.
- 1:08:25Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 1:08:26Speaker 5: Well, I mean that's again that you can't really you
- 1:08:29Speaker 5: can't really qualify all of the ways in which you
- 1:08:34Speaker 5: want to measure. It just boils down to where do
- 1:08:36Speaker 5: you put more of the lion's share?
- 1:08:38Speaker 3: Right?
- 1:08:39Speaker 10: Is it?
- 1:08:39Speaker 5: The fact that will you just watch Judge do again
- 1:08:44Speaker 5: was something that we have rarely seen. We haven't seen
- 1:08:47Speaker 5: anybody co come by and just turn into this much
- 1:08:50Speaker 5: of a dominant hit or power average, on base percentage.
- 1:08:54Speaker 5: He just basically when he steps in the batter's box,
- 1:08:56Speaker 5: You're like, this guy doesn't even look human. But to me,
- 1:09:00Speaker 5: I just can't understand how how you can think about
- 1:09:05Speaker 5: what all the things that a catcher does and then
- 1:09:07Speaker 5: recognize even when I if I was to sit here
- 1:09:09Speaker 5: and go down the list, I kind of just did
- 1:09:11Speaker 5: a little bit with him of all the things that
- 1:09:13Speaker 5: a catcher is involved in that are impact parts of
- 1:09:16Speaker 5: the game that a right fielder has nothing to do with,
- 1:09:19Speaker 5: you know.
- 1:09:19Speaker 3: And then you can get somewhere it's like.
- 1:09:20Speaker 5: Okay, well, you know, plays at home plate, Okay, that's
- 1:09:24Speaker 5: a catch thing, but a lot of times the right
- 1:09:25Speaker 5: fielder's throw is what makes it a play at home plate,
- 1:09:27Speaker 5: so they can have some impact on the game. Still defensively,
- 1:09:32Speaker 5: there's a lot of things, But then there's a ton
- 1:09:34Speaker 5: of things that you can't even think about, Like, when
- 1:09:36Speaker 5: do you got now that there's a certain amount of
- 1:09:39Speaker 5: mound visits, when do you go out to write the
- 1:09:41Speaker 5: ship with the guy between the years or mechanically something
- 1:09:44Speaker 5: he's doing, or game plan wise, here's what our game
- 1:09:47Speaker 5: plan was against this guy, you know, leading into the
- 1:09:49Speaker 5: game and our pregame meeting and leading up to this performance.
- 1:09:53Speaker 5: And yet he looks like he's on that game plan,
- 1:09:55Speaker 5: like he was expecting it. So we're gonna shift gears,
- 1:09:57Speaker 5: When do you do that? That's you can't put a
- 1:09:59Speaker 5: number on that. And he does that about as well
- 1:10:01Speaker 5: as anybody out there, throwing runners out. He's great at
- 1:10:03Speaker 5: This year was his best year behind the plate, block
- 1:10:06Speaker 5: and balls, but it still wasn't horrible. And so I
- 1:10:09Speaker 5: just don't see it as I mean the major league
- 1:10:13Speaker 5: baseball player. I don't always agree with players voting for
- 1:10:17Speaker 5: things because I think it becomes a popularity contest and
- 1:10:19Speaker 5: it's not something they dive into necessarily. But he was
- 1:10:23Speaker 5: voted the most outstanding player by his peers. The people
- 1:10:25Speaker 5: that are playing right now in the game right now,
- 1:10:28Speaker 5: to me, that is those guys that are playing right
- 1:10:31Speaker 5: now that they're in the game, they play against him,
- 1:10:33Speaker 5: they watch him play, They're saying, that's the dude that
- 1:10:36Speaker 5: is the most outstanding. And to me, it's if you
- 1:10:39Speaker 5: say outstanding player, that's where Judge has an argument, you
- 1:10:42Speaker 5: say the most valuable player.
- 1:10:44Speaker 3: I don't even think.
- 1:10:45Speaker 5: It's a I don't even think it should be a debate,
- 1:10:46Speaker 5: to be honest, it is because of how great Aaron
- 1:10:49Speaker 5: Judge's season was. But it's the value that Cal Rawly
- 1:10:53Speaker 5: brings to the Mariners. There's nobody that brings more value
- 1:10:55Speaker 5: to their team.
- 1:10:56Speaker 4: Well, I would definitely have voted for Cal Raleigh, and
- 1:10:59Speaker 4: I say that without bias. I honestly mean that. I
- 1:11:02Speaker 4: say that completely without bias. But I do think I'm
- 1:11:07Speaker 4: sixty one percent sure he's not going to win, So
- 1:11:11Speaker 4: I gives him a thirty nine percent chance of winning tonight.
- 1:11:14Speaker 4: So that's where I'm at. I don't think we're going
- 1:11:17Speaker 4: to get the news we're wanting tonight, but I think
- 1:11:20Speaker 4: that there is a chance, Ashley, that we're going to
- 1:11:22Speaker 4: get that news.
- 1:11:23Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'm holding on to hope. I will say this,
- 1:11:25Speaker 6: I do think that Cal should win it. And I
- 1:11:28Speaker 6: know that I have bias when I say that. Originally
- 1:11:30Speaker 6: but also hearing all of the arguments and listening to
- 1:11:32Speaker 6: things and as we've talked about it over the last
- 1:11:34Speaker 6: few weeks and months, and thinking about all of the
- 1:11:37Speaker 6: things that cat pitchers do, and just hearing what Alex
- 1:11:40Speaker 6: had to say.
- 1:11:41Speaker 7: I mean, I have zero doubt that cal should win.
- 1:11:44Speaker 3: Well.
- 1:11:44Speaker 4: I mean, just to be fair, just to show the
- 1:11:46Speaker 4: other side, there are plenty of former major leaguers at
- 1:11:50Speaker 4: MLB Network that you're going to hear tonight break this
- 1:11:53Speaker 4: down that think Aaron Judge should win. I mean, Sean
- 1:11:55Speaker 4: Casey has gone on. We tried to get Sean Casey
- 1:11:58Speaker 4: on as well today and he's he's been one hundred
- 1:12:01Speaker 4: percent on Aaron Judge.
- 1:12:03Speaker 3: It's not even close. I mean, so it's it's you know.
- 1:12:06Speaker 4: There are plenty of MLB Network former players that have
- 1:12:09Speaker 4: the aeron Judge.
- 1:12:10Speaker 3: There might even be more for all I know.
- 1:12:12Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't think there's one catcher out there
- 1:12:16Speaker 4: that's not that if they had a vote, wouldn't vote.
- 1:12:18Speaker 3: For col No.
- 1:12:19Speaker 5: And I think that that's it isn't just because of
- 1:12:23Speaker 5: the go some catcher brotherhood. It's because of an understanding
- 1:12:26Speaker 5: of how crazy it was if you caught in the
- 1:12:28Speaker 5: Big Leagues for ten years, you understand, Oh my god.
- 1:12:31Speaker 3: How is he?
- 1:12:32Speaker 5: Yes, the numbers sixty home runs is crazy. I don't
- 1:12:34Speaker 5: care if you're a DH it's crazy. But to do
- 1:12:36Speaker 5: it while you're catching and managing the staff and wearing
- 1:12:40Speaker 5: the foul balls and block them, it's just absolutely berserk.
- 1:12:43Speaker 4: Yeah, Chris Young, he's on the judge side. Cliff Flower
- 1:12:47Speaker 4: Air alot of them. So but you know, to convince me,
- 1:12:49Speaker 4: I think you should win the MVP. But we shall
- 1:12:53Speaker 4: see if it goes down tonight, and certainly we'll react
- 1:12:55Speaker 4: on tomorrow's show. Coming up next though, Mike Sando will
- 1:12:58Speaker 4: be with us. Ask him about Seahawks rams. Also Thursday
- 1:13:02Speaker 4: Night Football and more. Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
- 1:13:06Speaker 4: It's time for our Thursday visit with Mike Sando of
- 1:13:10Speaker 4: the Athletic and brought to you by Hunt Services.
- 1:13:13Speaker 1: Get on the horn and call Hunts Now with Mike.
- 1:13:16Speaker 3: Here's Chuck and bud.
- 1:13:20Speaker 10: Hi.
- 1:13:20Speaker 3: Yes, Mike Sando joins his each and every week. Let's
- 1:13:23Speaker 3: ask Mike real quick, he's a smart fella. Cal Rally
- 1:13:25Speaker 3: or aaron judge.
- 1:13:26Speaker 14: Mike cal Rallio. Let's go with the hometown guy. I mean,
- 1:13:29Speaker 14: and I'm an expert.
- 1:13:29Speaker 3: Believe me.
- 1:13:30Speaker 14: I've I've watched some of the playoffs and uh, I'm
- 1:13:33Speaker 14: actually excited. Are we gonna get the Mariners on local
- 1:13:36Speaker 14: TV this year? If you have, like, you know, a
- 1:13:39Speaker 14: YouTube TV?
- 1:13:39Speaker 3: I wanted to have that. What does it matter with
- 1:13:41Speaker 3: you? You know? I get like it doesn't sound like you're
- 1:13:43Speaker 3: tuned in.
- 1:13:44Speaker 8: No.
- 1:13:44Speaker 14: Well, I mean, I'm not gonna work that hard to
- 1:13:47Speaker 14: watch the games. But I mean, you know, in a
- 1:13:48Speaker 14: sport I'm not covering, but I'm interested. So I'm a
- 1:13:51Speaker 14: terrible expert in that. But cal rally, that guy's amazing.
- 1:13:54Speaker 14: I know enough of that. Okay, every time you, even
- 1:13:56Speaker 14: if you don't follow baseball, you realize he's doing something
- 1:13:58Speaker 14: heroic every week.
- 1:14:00Speaker 3: All Right, we'll take it, We'll accept it. Your vote
- 1:14:02Speaker 3: has been cast.
- 1:14:03Speaker 4: All right, Well, let's talk about what you do cover
- 1:14:06Speaker 4: for a living and what you do have incredible passion for.
- 1:14:09Speaker 3: That's the National Football League. You watched a.
- 1:14:12Speaker 4: Lot of games, you got ready for a lot of games.
- 1:14:15Speaker 4: I mean, how big is this one between the Seahawks
- 1:14:18Speaker 4: and the Rams for a mid season affair?
- 1:14:21Speaker 14: I think it's the most fun anticipated regular season matchup
- 1:14:25Speaker 14: for the Seahawks since when. I mean it would have
- 1:14:29Speaker 14: to go back to prime Russell Wilson, right. I mean,
- 1:14:34Speaker 14: it's been a while that you really felt like it's
- 1:14:37Speaker 14: a great matchup and you're excited and you feel like
- 1:14:42Speaker 14: these guys could you know, not only if they could
- 1:14:46Speaker 14: win the game, but like they could really go somewhere.
- 1:14:48Speaker 3: So I love it.
- 1:14:49Speaker 14: I think these are two of the best teams in
- 1:14:51Speaker 14: the league. When's the last time Seahks been one of
- 1:14:52Speaker 14: the best teams in the league.
- 1:14:54Speaker 3: It's been top five team to nine years? Probably Yeah,
- 1:14:57Speaker 3: in a minute, it.
- 1:14:59Speaker 14: Feels really differ.
- 1:15:00Speaker 3: So I love it.
- 1:15:00Speaker 14: Yet, I feel like if the Seahawks lose, I think
- 1:15:02Speaker 14: they just dust themselves off and get them next time.
- 1:15:05Speaker 14: I don't think it's a must win, but I do
- 1:15:07Speaker 14: think it's a helpful win for validity, you know, having
- 1:15:10Speaker 14: Sam Donald had the bad playoff game last time, so
- 1:15:13Speaker 14: there's some things that can be changed perception wise, I
- 1:15:16Speaker 14: think with this game. But I still think Seattle's on
- 1:15:18Speaker 14: the same track no matter what happens.
- 1:15:20Speaker 5: Agreed, I don't think either team has some signature win.
- 1:15:24Speaker 5: This is kind of the measuring stick for both of them.
- 1:15:27Speaker 5: I mean, the easiest or the most common thread to
- 1:15:31Speaker 5: pull on when you're thinking about this is McVeigh and
- 1:15:34Speaker 5: his offense versus McDonald and his defense. And yet both
- 1:15:39Speaker 5: sides of the ball play well on both of these teams.
- 1:15:42Speaker 5: And so what's an underlying thing that you're going to
- 1:15:45Speaker 5: think that you think might be one of the determining
- 1:15:48Speaker 5: factors in this thing.
- 1:15:50Speaker 14: Well, Seattle's defense. Both these teams defensive lines really are
- 1:15:54Speaker 14: surly and get after it. I think that's where it starts.
- 1:15:56Speaker 14: I think the Seahawks have a better overall rotation of people,
- 1:15:59Speaker 14: but those you know, Jared versus probably you know the
- 1:16:03Speaker 14: people with the guy. People have heard about it around
- 1:16:05Speaker 14: the country, So I think both. I think they play
- 1:16:08Speaker 14: with attitude and tenacity upfront on defense and whoever kind
- 1:16:11Speaker 14: of I think someone's going to set the tone with
- 1:16:13Speaker 14: that in this game, and I think it's I think
- 1:16:15Speaker 14: it may be Seattle. I kind of feel like the
- 1:16:17Speaker 14: Seahawks are going to win this one and then maybe
- 1:16:20Speaker 14: have their hands more full of the second time. That's
- 1:16:22Speaker 14: just kind of my feel I feel like they're starting
- 1:16:23Speaker 14: kind of surging now, the team with a little bit
- 1:16:25Speaker 14: more to prove, and they may get them, but they
- 1:16:28Speaker 14: haven't seen the last of them.
- 1:16:29Speaker 4: Either what's what's more surprising to you that Matthew Stafford
- 1:16:35Speaker 4: closing in on forty might be better now than he's
- 1:16:37Speaker 4: ever been, or that Sam Donald, considering where he was
- 1:16:41Speaker 4: two years ago, is in the MVP conversation this season.
- 1:16:45Speaker 14: Donald, to me, Donald's more surprising because because Stafford has
- 1:16:48Speaker 14: played at a high level, He's always been someone who
- 1:16:50Speaker 14: everyone thought had the talent. And I think we can
- 1:16:53Speaker 14: see in retrospect that he had the talent, but you know,
- 1:16:55Speaker 14: they had a bad situation a lot of the time
- 1:16:58Speaker 14: with the organization. And I think he's got a great
- 1:17:01Speaker 14: set up now with McVeigh and and he's at a
- 1:17:04Speaker 14: he's at peace, and he and he's he's in a
- 1:17:07Speaker 14: different place I think for Donald, uh, you know, to
- 1:17:10Speaker 14: go from to go from a major market where you're
- 1:17:14Speaker 14: kind of seen. When you fail in a place like
- 1:17:16Speaker 14: New York as a quarterback or a head coach, you
- 1:17:19Speaker 14: kind of get branded in a different way, right, You
- 1:17:22Speaker 14: kind of get laughed at and mocked. Think of Adam Gase,
- 1:17:25Speaker 14: he was a good coach in the league. Have you
- 1:17:27Speaker 14: seen him a lot lately?
- 1:17:28Speaker 3: Right? You know what I mean?
- 1:17:31Speaker 14: Like when it happens though in that place, these are
- 1:17:33Speaker 14: these are good. These aren't a lot of cases. Good
- 1:17:35Speaker 14: people are good coaches, and you know, Sam Donald was
- 1:17:39Speaker 14: not the complete buffoon he was made out to be
- 1:17:41Speaker 14: seeing ghosts and all that. Things take on a uh,
- 1:17:45Speaker 14: you know, things take on a greater meaning there, and
- 1:17:47Speaker 14: so I think we're used to a lot of times
- 1:17:50Speaker 14: those guys just kind of it's hard to recover from.
- 1:17:52Speaker 14: You know, you don't necessarily get the other chance. You
- 1:17:54Speaker 14: get branded and you have a hard time changing that identity.
- 1:17:57Speaker 14: So I think that's just it's a great story. Maybe
- 1:18:01Speaker 14: we're seeing it a little more now. I mean, Daniel
- 1:18:02Speaker 14: Jones is having it too, So that's I think that's
- 1:18:06Speaker 14: just a great thing. It reflects really well on those guys,
- 1:18:08Speaker 14: and they're current teams, but it's still a surprise when
- 1:18:11Speaker 14: you see it. You're used to most of those guys
- 1:18:13Speaker 14: just kind of going.
- 1:18:13Speaker 3: Away, Sando.
- 1:18:15Speaker 5: One of the reasons for the surprise that is Sam
- 1:18:17Speaker 5: Darnold's i mean MVP ish first half of the season
- 1:18:20Speaker 5: is Jackson Smith and Jigmin. He's got like twenty percent
- 1:18:24Speaker 5: more receiving yards than Jamar Chase, who's in second place,
- 1:18:27Speaker 5: And yet I kind of feel like, at some point
- 1:18:30Speaker 5: during the season, you're going to have someone that's going
- 1:18:33Speaker 5: to have some game plan. Even if the game plan
- 1:18:34Speaker 5: is we're gonna put six guys on him, he's not
- 1:18:37Speaker 5: going to beat us. I don't know what how you
- 1:18:39Speaker 5: try to slow this guy down, but it seems impossible
- 1:18:41Speaker 5: at this point. Nobody's figured out how to do it
- 1:18:44Speaker 5: through nine games in the season, and so.
- 1:18:46Speaker 1: Can it be done?
- 1:18:47Speaker 5: Do you expect that to be the priority for the
- 1:18:50Speaker 5: Rams defense, at least in.
- 1:18:51Speaker 3: The back end of that secondary.
- 1:18:53Speaker 14: Yeah, I would think that that's the case. But if
- 1:18:55Speaker 14: you notice with most wide receivers that are good, they
- 1:18:58Speaker 14: don't get solved like that, you know, And I think
- 1:19:01Speaker 14: it's harder to defend wide receivers now if you go back,
- 1:19:04Speaker 14: you know, you know, when I was covering the Super
- 1:19:07Speaker 14: Bowl team in two thousand and five, If you just
- 1:19:10Speaker 14: look at the game, it's so different. There's there's two
- 1:19:12Speaker 14: running backs on the field and neither one of them
- 1:19:14Speaker 14: is going to really stretch you vertically as a receiver.
- 1:19:16Speaker 14: Your tight end's gonna hopefully be a decent blocker, you know,
- 1:19:19Speaker 14: and then you've got two wide receivers out there. So
- 1:19:22Speaker 14: if you want to stop one of those wide receivers.
- 1:19:24Speaker 14: I think it was easier than to do that, right
- 1:19:26Speaker 14: because there's only a couple of them, and your tight
- 1:19:28Speaker 14: end's kind of a half receiver, that sort of a thing,
- 1:19:31Speaker 14: and you might go to three wides. They did that,
- 1:19:33Speaker 14: but it might be third down, you know. So I
- 1:19:35Speaker 14: think now there's three wide receivers out there every play,
- 1:19:40Speaker 14: the tight end looks like a big wide receiver. Now
- 1:19:42Speaker 14: he's not as great as a blocker, but man, he
- 1:19:44Speaker 14: could be a threat. And even your half back grew
- 1:19:46Speaker 14: up in a seven on seven worlds, So saying you're
- 1:19:50Speaker 14: going to stop a wide receiver just it's harder to do.
- 1:19:52Speaker 14: There's more space out there, there's lighter you know. It's
- 1:19:55Speaker 14: just you can do it. And I think there's scheming
- 1:19:57Speaker 14: in the NFL now. Is is a even bigger thing
- 1:20:01Speaker 14: than it was before. I think teams used to run
- 1:20:03Speaker 14: their system and you might try to stop it. Now
- 1:20:05Speaker 14: they're scheming these guys in a different way.
- 1:20:08Speaker 4: I say, good luck trying to stop these guys. The
- 1:20:10Speaker 4: Eagles fans might disagree with you about.
- 1:20:13Speaker 14: Well, that's really interesting. Yeah, that's a whole other conversation.
- 1:20:17Speaker 3: Actually, Yeah, I wanted to talk about it a little bit.
- 1:20:20Speaker 4: If I'm going to talk about one national story other
- 1:20:22Speaker 4: than Seahawks rams here, I wanted to get your thoughts because,
- 1:20:26Speaker 4: on one hand, I do think AJ Brown is going
- 1:20:29Speaker 4: about this all the wrong way, and he's coming off
- 1:20:32Speaker 4: as a bad teammate for sure, and he shouldn't be
- 1:20:35Speaker 4: doing it.
- 1:20:36Speaker 3: But I think he's got a point.
- 1:20:38Speaker 4: It's like, how can we have this much talent and
- 1:20:42Speaker 4: we're having this much difficulty getting the ball from quarterback
- 1:20:46Speaker 4: to wide receipts.
- 1:20:46Speaker 3: It's not just him.
- 1:20:47Speaker 4: DeVante Smith can't catch a pass either, So does I
- 1:20:51Speaker 4: mean at what.
- 1:20:51Speaker 14: Point smiths on pace for good year?
- 1:20:53Speaker 10: Though? Solid?
- 1:20:54Speaker 3: Yes, solid?
- 1:20:55Speaker 4: But you know what point is it justified that a
- 1:20:59Speaker 4: player goes to the media because he can't get through
- 1:21:03Speaker 4: to the coaching staff on how he's being used.
- 1:21:07Speaker 14: I say this is the most diplomatic, well reasoned, smartest
- 1:21:13Speaker 14: protests like this. Usually guys are emotional at their locker overtime,
- 1:21:15Speaker 14: you know what I mean, and they just finally snap
- 1:21:17Speaker 14: and then it comes off as super selfish, and it isn't.
- 1:21:21Speaker 14: I feel like the selfish part of this is only
- 1:21:23Speaker 14: in that you know it is drawing attention now to it,
- 1:21:28Speaker 14: and if they don't reach their goals this season, which
- 1:21:31Speaker 14: is unlikely. You're not gonna win the super Bowl anyway.
- 1:21:33Speaker 14: Most years, you know, it'll kind of look like it's
- 1:21:36Speaker 14: because they didn't get him the ball more. But I
- 1:21:38Speaker 14: think I think there's something to it, and he is
- 1:21:42Speaker 14: does have a good point in that, Hey, just because
- 1:21:44Speaker 14: we're winning the games doesn't mean that we're playing our
- 1:21:47Speaker 14: best ball. And he's trying to say that it doesn't
- 1:21:51Speaker 14: mean I have to get the ball every week. I
- 1:21:53Speaker 14: think he believes that, but it's not clicking. And so
- 1:21:57Speaker 14: I'll give you an example like Denver's won seven games
- 1:21:59Speaker 14: in a row and their quarterback is struggling, and that's
- 1:22:03Speaker 14: all gonna when they lose losing some games, it's gonna
- 1:22:06Speaker 14: come to the it's gonna be a conversation. I think
- 1:22:09Speaker 14: what what A J. Barn is saying is like, we're
- 1:22:13Speaker 14: not the way we're playing right now. We may win
- 1:22:16Speaker 14: a lot of these games, but we're not We're not
- 1:22:18Speaker 14: our best right now, and he's just kind of a
- 1:22:20Speaker 14: cry for help. But I agree he's kind of putting
- 1:22:22Speaker 14: it on that coordinator more than anything, because he he
- 1:22:27Speaker 14: he hasn't just said it's Jay. He hasn't said it's
- 1:22:30Speaker 14: Jalen hurts as much, wouldn't you agree?
- 1:22:32Speaker 3: Yeah?
- 1:22:33Speaker 4: I mean I think he was kind of hinting at
- 1:22:35Speaker 4: it last year. Remember when they had the little tiff
- 1:22:37Speaker 4: last year.
- 1:22:38Speaker 3: So I don't know.
- 1:22:39Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure it started behind the scenes and
- 1:22:42Speaker 4: he couldn't get where he was going with it. I
- 1:22:45Speaker 4: do believe he has a point. There's no reason why
- 1:22:48Speaker 4: that offense. Would I think he wanted to struggle that much.
- 1:22:50Speaker 3: I think he wants to win.
- 1:22:52Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I hear you, all right, Thursday night football,
- 1:22:55Speaker 4: Patriots versus Jets. I mean, it's not exactly a hum
- 1:22:59Speaker 4: dinger here, Mike, but yeah, oh yeah, that is interesting.
- 1:23:02Speaker 4: What's interesting about this game? Hey, anytime we can watch
- 1:23:05Speaker 4: New England with Drake May, I'm all for it. I
- 1:23:08Speaker 4: think this is somebody who in his second year has
- 1:23:10Speaker 4: outperformed the expectations everybody thought in the league. Probably a
- 1:23:14Speaker 4: good reason that this was a team to be reft
- 1:23:17Speaker 4: of talent even coming into this year, even after spending
- 1:23:19Speaker 4: in free agency, and they've won seven in a row.
- 1:23:22Speaker 4: They're really great on defense, that's stopping the run, so
- 1:23:25Speaker 4: they make you a little bit one dimensional, and this
- 1:23:27Speaker 4: quarterback without a bunch of targets you've heard of. I
- 1:23:30Speaker 4: think he had.
- 1:23:31Speaker 14: I think they had four plays on offense last week
- 1:23:33Speaker 14: that were fifty yards or more and I was looking
- 1:23:36Speaker 14: that up like that just doesn't happen. I couldn't find
- 1:23:38Speaker 14: in twenty the last twenty five years, anyone had more
- 1:23:40Speaker 14: than that. So I think that's a really cool story.
- 1:23:43Speaker 14: And it's the interesting twist of it is, you know,
- 1:23:47Speaker 14: I think the Jets really wanted to hire Mike Rabel,
- 1:23:50Speaker 14: so guess what Mike Rable' is the edter coach. And
- 1:23:52Speaker 14: it feels to me as much as I, you know,
- 1:23:56Speaker 14: have defended Aaron Glenn a little bit early on, I
- 1:23:59Speaker 14: feel like he's starting to get some of these press converences,
- 1:24:01Speaker 14: are starting to feel like he's losing it a little bit.
- 1:24:03Speaker 14: So I want to watch just how that all goes
- 1:24:08Speaker 14: to have New England having turned it with a roster
- 1:24:10Speaker 14: that was perceived to be worse.
- 1:24:13Speaker 3: Than the Jets a year ago.
- 1:24:14Speaker 14: Interesting in the division, I mean, I think this is
- 1:24:17Speaker 14: one of those games where if the Patriots gotten win
- 1:24:19Speaker 14: by thirty points, I think it's very much more damaging
- 1:24:22Speaker 14: to the new people and the Jets.
- 1:24:25Speaker 4: I knew you would find something that you couldn't wait
- 1:24:27Speaker 4: to watch about Thursday night football. You can count on
- 1:24:30Speaker 4: Sandal Well really enjoy the football this weekend, and we're
- 1:24:34Speaker 4: all going to enjoy that Seahawks Rams game.
- 1:24:36Speaker 3: That's gonna be special. Oh, it's gonna be great. I
- 1:24:38Speaker 3: can't wait.
- 1:24:38Speaker 4: Thanks, Thanks Mike. All Right, Mike Sando or NFL Insider
- 1:24:41Speaker 4: from the Athletic. You can follow him at Sando NFL
- 1:24:45Speaker 4: must follow for you football fans out there, and we
- 1:24:47Speaker 4: love having him on every Thursday on the program. All Right,
- 1:24:50Speaker 4: coming up next, we'll close it out with one last
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