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171. [Texas] Murder at the Game Store · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Anyways. All right, so let's go to our case out
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  Speaker 1: of Texas. So on January twenty one, two thousand and seven,
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  Speaker 1: at the EB Game Store in San Antonio, Texas. Do
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  Speaker 1: you remember EB game stores?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: Some some the are the some articles I read's called
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  Speaker 1: it EB game Store. Some of them called game stops.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it was like a pre maybe game stop purchased them.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I remember something about an EB game store.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I was past the age of really caring about
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  Speaker 2: gaming stores.
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  Speaker 1: But you had a time child that would have cared.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he did care. So I don't know anyway, But
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  Speaker 2: the only thing we had in Lafaette that I recall
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  Speaker 2: is game stops, and there was another local one that we.
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  Speaker 1: Went to anyway, So it's the EB Game Store in
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  Speaker 1: San Antonio, Texas. It is a chain, so there's multiple
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  Speaker 1: around the city. Customers were unable to access the store.
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  Speaker 1: It appeared that it had never been opened. Now his
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  Speaker 1: word got around to other employees at nearby stores. A
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  Speaker 1: manager from another store decided to go over and check
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  Speaker 1: and just see what was going on. Why the store
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  Speaker 1: wasn't ever opened for the day. Because this is around
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  Speaker 1: two pm when he arrived, so it's definitely should have been.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that normally opens at ten am. I
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  Speaker 2: can't believe it took him this long ago check it out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyway, so he arrives around two pm and
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  Speaker 1: this finds the store is locked. As he's looking through
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  Speaker 1: the window, he notices that the assistant manager named Brandon
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  Speaker 1: was standing in the store. So Brandon he opens the
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  Speaker 1: door and the other manager he says, hey, have you
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  Speaker 1: seen Amber. Amber Belkin is the twenty five year old
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  Speaker 1: manager of that store, so she would have been the
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  Speaker 1: one that was here the one.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon says no, that he had just got there a
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  Speaker 1: few minutes before, but the store appeared to have been
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  Speaker 1: ransacked with video games over the floor, there's cash strewn
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  Speaker 1: about and everything like that. It was clear that something
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  Speaker 1: you know, had happened here. So he's looking around for Amber,
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  Speaker 1: calling out for her, and no one responds, and so
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  Speaker 1: he makes his way to Since he saw the cash,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, okay, they probably got into the safe. So
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  Speaker 1: he heads back to the back office and he's horrified
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  Speaker 1: to discover Amber's body lying on the ground, lifeless. He
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  Speaker 1: immediately calls nine one one and they arrive on the
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  Speaker 1: scene along with investigators because it is clear that this
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  Speaker 1: is a homicide right off the bat. Now, investigators assess
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  Speaker 1: the scene and it's clear that Amber is no longer
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  Speaker 1: with us. She's lying face down on her stomach and
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  Speaker 1: she has a plastic bag twisted around her neck, so
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  Speaker 1: it appears that she has been suffocated to death. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Upon further examination the body, they found that she did
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  Speaker 1: have some like marks on her wrist, indicating that she
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  Speaker 1: had been bound at some point. But it appeared that
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  Speaker 1: whoever had bound her had actually taken a knife, because
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  Speaker 1: she had a small cut on a risk wrist as well,
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  Speaker 1: and those like binds were gone.
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  Speaker 2: Like somebody is a knife or something to cut them off.
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  Speaker 1: Cup the tape and they're thinking it's duct tape that
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  Speaker 1: was used based on like the residue and stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: they probably took it because they for sure knew duct
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  Speaker 1: tape's gonna take any fingerprints that's that's on there. So
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  Speaker 1: whoever did this thought this through and cut off those
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  Speaker 1: the duct tape from around her wrist before they left.
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  Speaker 2: As investigators are looking around the scene, it's clear that
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  Speaker 2: the motive is a robbery. It didn't appear that Amber
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  Speaker 2: had been sexually assaulted during the attack. They started asking
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  Speaker 2: around to see if they can put together some sort
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  Speaker 2: of timeline because by the time they found Amber Amber,
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  Speaker 2: it was in the afternoon and the store would have
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  Speaker 2: been set to open that morning around ten am.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they've already lost a lot of time in
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  Speaker 1: this investigation as to when they could have recovered evidence
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  Speaker 1: or stopped with me. Yes, I moved my microphones.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, stop touching things.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, No, I can't stop.
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  Speaker 2: I know you can't.
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  Speaker 1: What it happens to Okay, this is a DIY situation.
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  Speaker 2: You're distracting men. What it sounds like are the speakers.
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  Speaker 1: So it's been a while since the store opened. To that,
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  Speaker 1: they've lost a lot of time, Like any amount of
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  Speaker 1: time between when it happened and when they find the body.
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  Speaker 1: You're losing evidence, You're losing chances to catch who did this.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, investigators speak to employees who said that Amber had
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  Speaker 2: the same routine every morning when she opened the store.
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  Speaker 2: She arrived at the store around nine am. She would
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  Speaker 2: go through the receipts from the day before, and then
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  Speaker 2: she would head off to the bank to deposit the
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  Speaker 2: cash from the previous day's sales. Then she would arrive
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  Speaker 2: back at the store just before ten am to open
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  Speaker 2: it up. They discovered that Amber had spoken to another
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  Speaker 2: manager at around nine am that morning after she had
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  Speaker 2: arrived at the store. Now, while she's talking to that
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  Speaker 2: other store manager, she abruptly hangs up on him, saying
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  Speaker 2: that someone was knocking at the door. The manager said
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  Speaker 2: that she didn't seem too concerned about this. The other
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  Speaker 2: manager thought maybe it was just a customer that was
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  Speaker 2: checking to see if the store would open or not.
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  Speaker 1: There's people all the time. I mean, I've been guilty
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  Speaker 1: myself knocked on theor like oh my god, I need
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  Speaker 1: to I mean, I don't know what kind of video
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  Speaker 1: open I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: No, was that that lady that they had that commercial
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  Speaker 2: where she was staying at the thing trying to will
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  Speaker 2: the store to open.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so, I don't know what kind of video game
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  Speaker 1: emergency there would have been at nine am, but somebody
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  Speaker 1: was trying, probably trying to see what they could.
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  Speaker 2: Get in the new video game of the day was
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  Speaker 2: coming out that day.
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  Speaker 1: Well true line, But when I use to work at
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  Speaker 1: the pizza restaurant, I would it would. We would get
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  Speaker 1: so mad because we would if you opened and the
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  Speaker 1: idiot from the night before forgot to turn off the
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  Speaker 1: open sign and you have people knocking on the door,
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  Speaker 1: and then you're having they're like the open signs on though,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, seriously, somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Look at that. Look at the hours in the window. Lady.
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  Speaker 1: I know, lady, this clearly states eleven eight, because it
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  Speaker 1: was always a lady. Yes, it's always a lady. We're
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  Speaker 1: guilty as charged.
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  Speaker 2: If it was me, I'd be like, oh sorry, I
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  Speaker 2: saw the open sign on I understand.
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  Speaker 1: But there was no understanding. There was no many of
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  Speaker 1: these people. They were very disappointed they couldn't get their
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: shall met cheese sticks in their floor cow zone.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that manager that she spoke to on the phone
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  Speaker 2: did not hear. He did not hear from her again
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  Speaker 2: that morning.
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  Speaker 1: But he wasn't concerned. It wasn't like, oh, where to
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  Speaker 1: ambergo or anything. It was just a casual conversation. And
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  Speaker 1: if they didn't she didn't call back. It's like he
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  Speaker 1: didn't think anything of it. No.
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  Speaker 2: Investigators check with the bank and they found out that
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  Speaker 2: she did not make the deposit that morning, which would
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  Speaker 2: have been around nineteen hundred dollars. In the back office,
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  Speaker 2: the safe was open, indicating that the person took the money.
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  Speaker 2: The killer also took off with dozens of video games
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  Speaker 2: and video game consoles. With the schedule that Amber kept,
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  Speaker 2: the phone call to the other manager, and the fact
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  Speaker 2: that she never made it to the bank, investigators are
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  Speaker 2: going to pinpoint this murder somewhere between nine and ten am.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so they at least have, thankfully, with the phone
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  Speaker 1: calls in her routine that she has. They did were
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  Speaker 1: able to pinpoint, yes, within an hour, about.
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  Speaker 2: Solid theory on on what time she was murdered.
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  Speaker 1: As news of the murder at the video game store
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  Speaker 1: got around town, news cruise like, they began showing up
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  Speaker 1: to just cover live updates. Yes, they were there like
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  Speaker 1: flies on manure, you know. Ste they were there and
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  Speaker 1: so unfortunately, this is how Amber's parents, Randy and Lee Belkin,
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  Speaker 1: found out that something had happened to their daughter, who
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  Speaker 1: was the store manager. So they are driving by. They
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  Speaker 1: start hearing there's like something happened at this store, say,
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  Speaker 1: drive by, they see all this commotion out there. The
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  Speaker 1: dad arrives first, he stops in and he's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on? My daughter works here or whatever, And
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  Speaker 1: unfortunately that's how they have to inform him that it's
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  Speaker 1: Amber who was murdered. And then shortly after his co
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  Speaker 1: Remember this is two thousands off. They had cell phones,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not like today. I don't feel like the
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  Speaker 1: cell phones. I don't even know if an iPhone was
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  Speaker 1: out at that point, I don't think so. If it was,
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  Speaker 1: it was new and very very expensive. Yes, not that
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: they're not that they're not expensive now I had.
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  Speaker 2: One in the two thousand and seven eight range, I belive.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, anyways, it was the.
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: First gin I tried to work on it myself out
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  Speaker 2: broke and it's probably worth a small fortune.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody cares the nostalgia. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Anyways, So then her mother shows up at the scene
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  Speaker 1: as well, and they have to the husband, you know,
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  Speaker 1: her husband has to tell them, you know, Amber has
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  Speaker 1: been murdered. So this was their only child, and she
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  Speaker 1: was like their entire world. They said that she was
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  Speaker 1: a perfect child growing up. She never had any trouble.
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  Speaker 1: They never had trouble with her, no issues or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that. She was currently working at that video game
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  Speaker 1: store as the manager, but she had just enrolled in
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  Speaker 1: college and wanted to become a veterinarian. So this was
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  Speaker 1: really devastating for them. I know it's hard, probably hard
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  Speaker 1: to lose any children, but when I feel like, when
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  Speaker 1: it's the only child, it really is like.
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  Speaker 2: That time focusing on them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't have the other children possibly to
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  Speaker 1: like get it together.
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  Speaker 2: For you know, Yeah, you can spiral, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's more room to spiral. I feel like if
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: you don't have other children too that you're like, I
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: got to pull together to get for my other children
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  Speaker 1: and everything at that. So this seems dremely difficult to
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  Speaker 1: lose your only child, especially when you're like, we made
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: it through like all the times on your teenage Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: all the toddler years when you're like, are they going
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: to choke on something? Are they gonna like follow the pool,
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  Speaker 1: Like what's gonna happen?
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: Am I going to choke them?
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And then you make it up through like teenage
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  Speaker 1: years with all the things that can.
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  Speaker 2: Go wrong, curfews, missed, maybe not drugs.
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  Speaker 1: And then you car wrecks, crashes, things like that, and
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  Speaker 1: then you know, she's twenty five. They probably feel a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more comfortable she's out there.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: Our insurance has gone down at age twenty five. Yes,
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: they're considered beyond all that foolishness.
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So this was really hard on her parents.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: As crime scene investigators collected the evidence and all topicsy
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  Speaker 2: was performed it was completed, they were able to determine
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  Speaker 2: that Amber was not sexually assaulted and it appears that
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: the only motive was the robbery. Unfortunately, investigators were unable
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  Speaker 2: to collect any physical evidence in terms of fingerprints or
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  Speaker 2: DNA or her finger and nails. So the crime scene
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  Speaker 2: did not render a lot of information.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they looked like this crime scene was just in
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  Speaker 1: terms of evidence, was terrible because there just wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know how there wasn't much there or
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  Speaker 2: if they ransacked the place.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, well, if he wore gloves and removed that
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: duct tape that he had, I'm assuming he wore gloves,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, DNA testing back in the day wasn't what it
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: is today. If they did find anything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think now you hardly need anything to
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  Speaker 1: get DNA, like you just need the touch DNA touch
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  Speaker 1: DNA even now. So back it was two thousand and seven,
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  Speaker 1: so they would have had if they could have found some.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's not what it is today for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that Colberger guy, they got touched DNL that
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  Speaker 2: sheath they found.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, oh, is that what they got?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they got some touch.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: I was going back and forth whether he actually did
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  Speaker 1: it or not.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they got touched DNA off the sheath and while
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: they had a bunch of other stuff too. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: read into it.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe, but was the roommate involved, That's my question. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think so, okay, anyways, go on, that's a whole,
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: whole nother story for a whole nother day.
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  Speaker 2: So the crime scene didn't render a lot of information.
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  Speaker 2: Investigators start to wonder what was the purpose of killing
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  Speaker 2: Amber if they were already able to get the money
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  Speaker 2: and the games and consoles. They don't believe that Amber
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: would have fought the assailant to try to save the
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  Speaker 2: store's money or it's merchandise. No, I wouldn't fight somebody
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  Speaker 2: over nineteen hundred dollars and some three four hundred dollars game.
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  Speaker 1: She don't care. She's she's not like, doesn't own the store, like,
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't care, She's just there as a mandor. She'd
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  Speaker 1: just be like, here, here's the money, here's the games.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Please don't hurt me.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, insurance will take care of it. I'll just tell
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: the owner. So they're starting to think that this is
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: possibly some of the somebody that Amber would have been
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: able to recognize and turn in. Therefore, it might have
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: been somebody else who worked at the store. It would
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: have been the only motivation to kill her from what
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: they're they're guessing there, they're working theory here is that
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: she would have been able to identify this robber turn
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: them in. There was also no cameras in the store,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: and the person or people who would know that there's
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: no cameras there would be people that work there. Yeah,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: unless somebody, which is crazy.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: They don't have cameras in a video game store.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: You know, that's two thousand and seven. They're quite spending
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: back then.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: I know that. But a video game store is like
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: rampant for theft because that's like usually it's like young
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: people who can't afford them.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: They usually got the locks, or they don't put the
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: games inside the boxes. You got to bring the box
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: up to the counter then they put the game in
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: the box.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Well, still, they should have had security there. We're going
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: to learn they had security at every other store except
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: for this one.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Noll spoiler alert.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: We will learn that later on, folks. It will be important.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Because of the person or persons that knew this.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, do so. Investigators they focus on the person
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: that was at the scene at the time, which was
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: that assistant manager named Brandon. Now, they interviewed him at
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: length and tried to nail down a timeline as to
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: like when he showed up and how long he'd been
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: there before the other manager showed up, which at the
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: time he had told the other manager, I just got
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: here like a few minutes ago. But there was quite
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: a few like it was just strange. There was inconsistencies
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: about his story, and like why would he if the
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: door if the door is supposed to be open, why
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: would you so the door's locked. I don't know if
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: he went through the back door whatever, But if the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: door's locked, why would you re lock it? Or maybe
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: he went through the maybe he can't. Maybe that's what
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: they're missing. There was a back door that he could
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: have come through to enter and because they're saying would
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: he or did he enter through the front door? But
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I don't think they could get a solid answer from him.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: He was I was unlocked the door and I went in.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't need people following me in here.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to open this door. I would lock
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: the door behind me.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: No, he got there when the door was supposed to
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: be open, but.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: He had to unlock the door to get in though, right, yeah.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: But why would you turn around and relock the door
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: unless he came in through the back door? But that
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: was the problem. They couldn't get any type of solid
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: information for I'm.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Saying me personally, if I came and I unlocked the
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: front door, I would lock it behind me because I
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: don't want people coming in because I don't know what's
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: going on in this store.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, maybe Brandon was there.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: And I don't want to run the cash register because.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Anyway, So also he was he saw Amber's car out there,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: but apparently hadn't looked for back in the office or
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: anything like that. Like the one manager that came in,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: he was like, clearly something's wrong and immediately goes and
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: looks for where the cash would have been and looks
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: for Amber. Like this guy just didn't do this. He
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: never instigated, investigated anything. I mean, the door was clearly
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: ransacked and stuff. So unless he really did just get there.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: But again, they don't have footage video cameras, they can't
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: say how long he'd been there. But it was just
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: a strange. He was just strange how he acted. So
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: with the focus now on Brandon, they need to see
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: if there was any motive for him to harm Amber.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: They did find out speaking to coworkers that Amber did
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: have issues with Brandon and she had written him up
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: multiple times and was at the point where she was
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: kind of building a case to turn him into like
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: upper management because he was an assistant manager, so he
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: would need probably like a district manager or something like
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: that to fire him. So she was working on turning
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: in that paperwork and I think she was going to
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: be doing it like that day or coming up. So
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: maybe Brandon just didn't give a fuck because he's like, yeah, okay,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: we don't say that, but maybe that's what brandons.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: That's probably what Brandon.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Was probably thinking, like, I ain't going to help her.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I don't like her, she don't like me. We don't
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: get along. I don't care anyway. So when speaking to
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Amber's mother, she did say that Amber had mentioned Brandon
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: before and said that he had a temper and he
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: kind of made her uncomfortable. Now, with this information, they
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: brought Brandon back. Brandon back in and went over his
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: alibi for the time that they believed Amber was murdered.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Because they did narrow it down to that nine and
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: ten eight time frame. He said that he was with
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: his girlfriend as well as his parents, so they did
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: interview his family members, his girlfriend. They did say that
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: they saw him around that morning. They did confirm that
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: he was with them at the time that Amber was killed,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: so not just wanting to go off family members and
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: a girlfriend. They did pull his cell phone records and
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: there was apparently a cell tower about an eighth of
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: a mile from the location, and during that time that
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Amber was murdered, his cell phone didn't ping at all
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: off that but that doesn't mean someone couldn't have liked
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: not brought their phone, but anyways, they did. He was
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: cooperative though with police. He consented to having his apartment searched,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: his car search which that's like a lot, you know,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: when they come. God, that's like a mess with a Yeah. Anyway,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: so despite all of this, they really honed in on
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: one and they really thought this was their guy. And
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: then it turned out there just wasn't any evidence at
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: the crime scene. There wasn't. They couldn't his alibi had
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: been confirmed. He was very you know, cooperative. They couldn't
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: find any evidence in his car or in his because
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: he would have had money or games or something, you know,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't have been able to.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Get rid of him that unless they had a drop
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: site to hide them all.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so anyways, besides seeming like odd and a
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: little bit suspicious. They really didn't have anything to go on,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: so they had to move on to try to find
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: other suspects.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Follow some other leads, try to dig some up.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: But they did spend a lot of time on Brandon.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: And it is one of the regrets of the investigation,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: they said, was they really tried to make They did
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: the thing where they make the facts try to match
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: their theory rather than the theory find the facts, you know,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: or the the facts they wanted. They were trying to
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: find facts to match their theory instead of letting the
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: facts tell them what the theory was. Yes, and they
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: made that mistake and wasted a lot of time on him.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: So after they got all the confirmation of his olley
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: and cell phone, they were still trying to figure out
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: how he did.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: They just were Yeah, they just were just not convinced
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: until they finally had to move on from it. They're like,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: we just don't have any evidence against this guy. We
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: can't just keep hounding on him. They said. They pretty
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: much run his life for quite some time about this,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: and he was like the number one suspect, and.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Everybody in town thought he was a killer problem.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they do regret that.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not as much as Brandon. I'm sure, yeah, not
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: as much Brandon. Months would go by with no new
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: breaks in the case, despite there being a reward for
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: any tips leading to an arrest, and it was.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: A big reward. I think they said it was around
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, talking some good money. Investigators are starting to get
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: concerned that this would become a cold case, when out
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: of nowhere, a phone call comes into the police department
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: from a young fella stating his name is Joe. He
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: said he worked out another EB games in the city
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: and that he had been let go, but he did
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: receive a phone call from a former co worker stating
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: that he wanted to rob one of the stores, and
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: he was thinking about the one in San Pedro, which
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: was Amber store off.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: San Pedro, off in San Pedro.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: On San Pedro Road.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking yes on you said in San Pedro. Oh yeah, so,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just it was still in Sanchez was on the
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: road with San Pedro.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I got you. Joe told police that the friend said
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: he wanted to do that store because it had no
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: security cameras.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: See, he knew it was the one store that didn't
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: have any security cameras.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: The young kid then stated about a month later that
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the former coworker told him Joe that when they were
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: riding around town, the guy said, I did it. So
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: at this point, this is their best lead, and it
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: did seem like Joe calling up the cops did have
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: some information about the security camera situation at the EB Games.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: It took some convincing, but the young buck finally did
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: give up a name for his buddy that said he
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: did it, and that name was Giovanni Rivera.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, because he was originally Joe said that what happened
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: was he was trying. Giovanni was trying to get Joe
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: to be involved with the crime, and He's like, na, man,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: that's not for me. I don't want to do that.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: And so then that's when he kind of let it go.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: And then he said, like a month later, he's like, hey,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I did that. I did it, and he's like, did
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: what and then tells him what he did. And so
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: now Joe's harboring this information, probably scared of his friend
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: now because he's fucking psychopath.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be scared to you. I'd be like this
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: dude told me this shit. He might come looking for me,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: thinking I'm going to write him out. I better write
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: him out before he comes looking for me. Well he
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: already killed one person.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so investors, Yeah, what happened was they pressed Joe.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: They're like, are you sure you weren't involved in this?
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: And you're just like coming to say to save your
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: what They're like, you need to tell us now because
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: now's the time we can get you immunity to testify
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: against Giovanni all this stuff. He's like, no, I really didn't,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: he said. They're like, well, why'd you finally come in
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: because it's been months now that they've been and he
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: said the guilt just kept eating away at him. That
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: you know, he'd see the face because the family was
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: very present in the news media. The mom and the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: dad were out there every day like crying, trying to
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: push forward, trying to figure out who did this to
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: their daughter, and he said he saw it. It just
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: like bothered him. He was very scared of Giovanni, but
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: eventually that his guilt for what happened to amber outweighed
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: his fear of Giovanni, and that's why he decided to
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: come forward. So in the end, he did the right thing.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: It took him up. They said he was young though,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: so like he probably was very scary to have this
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: freaking cold blooded killer his friend know that he's one
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: that knows and it's gonna go tell on him.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, many you can get run over, hit in the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: back of the head with a piper.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Remember that guy from the last was it last week
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: or no, was the week before? And he the guy
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: that was the roommate and he's like, hey, my roommate
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: isn't Then he got somehow died and with it by
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: getting hit by a train.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Little so investigators they bring in Giovanni to interview him
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: and he denies any involvement. He pretty much stops talking
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: to police like right away. But Joe's information alone, like
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: someone just coming up and saying, hey, I know this
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: guy did this is not enough to obtain an arrest
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: warrant for a capital murder case. So unfortunately they have
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: to let him go because they have no other evidence
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: on him except for what Joe said. Now at this
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: point they're like, Okay, we've talked to him, he knows
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: we're on him. Is he gonna run? And funny enough
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: that night they see him packing up his house and
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, but he was actually just moving. They
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: found out his whole family was moving to the Laredo,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Texas and it just had to be. It was like
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: weird timing that that was the day they were moving. Anyway,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: So he did settle in Laredo, Texas with his family.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: They kind of kept an eye on him and as
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: they tried to find other evidence or anything else on him.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, and investigators really felt that this was the
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: person who did it, but they were afraid that he
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: was actually just gonna get away with this because they
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: did not have enough evidence to arrest him or prosecute
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: him or anything. Well, they'd get another break just a
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: couple months later when Giovanni's wife calls them up out
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: of the blue saying that he had assaulted her, threatened
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: her with a gun, and threatened to kill her and
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: her children. And so they're like, god, this is like, yes,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: we knew he was bad news.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: So they weren't Giovanni's children, they were just her children.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Well, they were their children. She's at that point she's like,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: fuck this motherfucker, they're not. So she also the other
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: important thing she had stated was that she knew that
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: he had killed Amber because he had told her. So
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: now we got not one person with this guy telling
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: her that telling him that he killed Amber and did
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: this robbery. Now we have two.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Now that investigators have two into is saying that Giovanni
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: had confessed to them about killing Amber. They were able
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: to get an arrest warrant issued for murder as the.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Part of the other thing with them. Part of the
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: other key element of those witness testimonies, they did know
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: details about the case that only the person who committed
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the crime. So it was it was like these weren't
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, I just think he killed him or
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: whatever he said that they had information.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: About what went on, which is why they keep information
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: about crime scene certain details.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, although I'm still on the argument that that one
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: where that lady at the Unsolved Mysteries where she disappeared
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: at the hair swan released it. Okay, but we all
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: know that freaking weirdo as ex husband did it, or
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: it was the husband at the time. If you haven't
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: heard that, I think we did that one on probably shoot.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: The pooh maybe yeah, well possibly.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I can't remember anyways, but yes, that's definitely that one,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: they should just release everything because we're the person who
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: did it is already did.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: When investigators police went to pick up Giovanni, he was gone.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: They received information that he had pled to Ma Mexico.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: So with the help of other agencies, they got some
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: leads on where he was actually located in Mexico.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because if you're not familiar with the area, Laredo,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Texas is right by the border, so it would not
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: be difficult to just to head on over there.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Now, with the help of the other agencies they got
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: the leads, they were able to bring him back to
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: the United States. They were very concerned about the lack
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: of physical evidence in the case that they had, so
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: they really only had this eyewitness testimony, not.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Eyewitness, well the not eyewitness, the witness testimonies, witness testimony
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: of him telling them about him saying that he confessed
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: to kill an amber.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, and at this point they had they were able
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: to during this time while they were looking for and everything,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: they were able to get. So they had the the wifife,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the friend, and then they were also able to add
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: in the mom. He told the mom that he killed
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: her too, So now we have three going against him.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: And I don't know. Maybe I don't know. I don't
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: know if she lived in Mexico and he went to
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: go see her and he told her, because I think
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: he went. So they said he went to family members
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: down there and she turned on him. I don't know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: and he told her what he did. It's just I mean,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: he's running his mouth. He's not like, Okay, he is
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: a terrible human, like a terrible monster. But he's like
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: it's not like he's one of these serial killers that
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: just keeps that just hides it all he wants. He
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: doesn't know what to do with it, so he just
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: keeps telling everybody what he did, like he doesn't know,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: like this isn't his normal, like mo o, like a
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: serial killer, you know, they keep it all like that.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: You can be married to a serial killer.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: M H STU.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: No, you like, think about Dennis Rader. He's never gonna
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: tell anybody what he did, Like he's not gonna he
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't feel guilty about it or feel compelled to tell anybody.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: But this guy, this was like a one off crime
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: for him, and so I think he just has to
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: tell somebody, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: think he was going to turn into like a serial
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: real killer or a person who was It wasn't like that,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: So he's he had more of a normal human reaction
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: to doing something this awful. I can't believe that, which
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: was to tell people like, I have to get it
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: off my chest. I can't should have.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Gone to his priest. I'm not allowed to. They're not
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: supposed to tell the authorities, which it done, did in
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: the confessional.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: So not to give this guy any credit. He's still
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: a monster or whatever. But I don't think that's why.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I think he was telling people it wasn't a normal
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: He didn't kill just to kill for.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Then the rail of it, Yes, to get away with it,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: to see if he can get away with it.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: In August of two thousand and eight, they do bring
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Giabonni in and they confront him about the charges. Surprisingly,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: he starts to confess. He tells investigators that he did
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: not know Amber was going to be there, and that
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Amber actually knew him, knew his name, and she would
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: recognize him immediately because he was an employee at another store.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so whenever he said, whenever he went in, she's Giovanni,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: what are you doing here? And that's when he's like,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: oh shit, I'm I'm about to rob somebody who recognized me,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: and now I've got a new problem.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, but he said at this point he had already
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: begun the robbery, so he just went forward with it
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: and decided to suffocate her so she couldn't identify him.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: With this confession, he was able to negotiate his sentence.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: He agreed not to appeal his case, and he received
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: a life sentence with the possibility of parole after thirty years.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, so we're looking at twenty thirty eight, which the
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: family has vowed to as long as they're a lot
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: like this was a young person though, so he's gonna
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: be he could get out, yes and everything. So they
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: vowed as long.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: As they're around another twelve years.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, until he's eligible for paroles. So he's in Texas too,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: so we got to be careful.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I know. Well, we're gonna have to move then, yes,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: from here in El Pasa, Yes, or.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I'll pass so home anyway, so he her family valves
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: are like, hey, we'll be there at the you know.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: But unfortunately her parents are older, I mean obviously, like
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: they're older than he was. So eventually Unfortunately, no one's going.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: To be able to advocate for the.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because she didn't have any siblings, So.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: There are some cousins or aunts or uncles that they
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: were close.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: To for someone that would still be alive to go
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: and argue for why he should not be let out
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: on Pearl and what he did. So hopefully he doesn't
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: get out.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: But guy's going to come down to the prosecutors and
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: the investigators in the case that do they go.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: And do they go and prison in a parole hearing.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I think they can, okay, but then they're getting older.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Too, yeah, I mean they're going to be retired.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm saying this guy is young, so he's going
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: to outlive, Yes, most likely all the people that could
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: go and argue why he should still be in prison. Yes,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: So anyway, so hopefully he stays behind bars because he
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: is a cold blooded killer. But all right, and apparently
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: a terrible husband.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Been a father's yes, and son.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: He was like abusive to his wife and threatened to
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: kill his children. So that's not good either. Just a
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: terrible human.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Being, but and a son. I mean mom is ready
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: to turn him in, so.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I know she's like fuck this guy just I would
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: turn such a good name too, such a good name.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: I like that name gone away. Cool cool name. Anyways,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: all right, Stude, do you have a y'all need?
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Jesus of course I do. I even did a deep
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: dive on this. Oh god, well, I mean I look
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: some stuff up because the person that wrote the story,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I think they should have what do you want to say,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: given me the details? I needed drink because they left
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: some out. Okay, carry you ready for Florida? Not Florida
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: woman offered sex. She offered to provide sex in exchange
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: for twenty five dollars and chicken McNuggets from McDonald's.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Oh not even chick fil a nuggets. Come on, that's a.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Florida Braidonton Harold, Florida. That's Florida, Florida.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: It was chick fil a. I'd be like, maybe that's
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: a Texas thing or something. But McDonald's nuggets, Yeah, that's
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: a that's a Florida situation.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: From the Bradenton Herald, The Bye Jessica de Leon May one,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. This is an old story. Kara Manatee County,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: a homeless Bradenton woman was charged with prostitution after she
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: agreed to perform a sexual act for twenty five dollars
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: and chicken McNuggets.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I wonder if it was the meal or just the
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: tin pack or maybe she was like if she was,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: she needs to bring for the twenty they need to
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: bring for the twenty pack.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: At least just step on the questions that I have
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: because I uh scouring the count.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I need to know the count. We can't be a
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: four pack valume menu.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: I went through four or five stories on this to
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: find out if there was any information on what sized
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: chicken my gut?
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: What would the sauces she wanted on the side, I'd
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: like to know.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I just want to know how many pieces it was, if.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: It was sweet and sour, I may be on board
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: a twenty piece sweet and sour maybe yes.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: And then she made him go to Popeyes and get
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the Marty Gral mustard dip for her chicken mcnugsey. Yes,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: then maybe or the churches to get the creamy hallipen.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: She thought, if she had done twenty five dollars and
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: the Popeyes black and tenders, those things are There was.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: No black contenders and was there in twenty seventeen I
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: don't know, but it.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: To in today's time. That's like, does everybody know how
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: expensive it is to get the black and tenders from Popeyes.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: It's like to get like a six piece meal of
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: that or whatever, it's like fourteen dollars.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: So for twenty five dollars and that meal, you would service.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: No, I want the bigger pack. I want the eight
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: pack because it's like nineteen dollars.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: So you would serve somebody for twenty five dollars and
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: an eight pack of chicken black and chicken.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Ten or some possibly that's now forty five dollars with
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: the extra Marti gross sauce. Yeah, forty five dollars at
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: that point. Look, yeah, no, I wouldn't do that the completion,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: just go off with it. Oh my god, I'm a mother.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: What is wrong with you?
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Alex Dono, twenty two, was arrested at ten to fifteen
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: pm Tuesday in charge with prostitution and possession of drug paraphernalia.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Oh ten fifteen she was probably drunk. Yeah.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: She is being held at the Manatee County Jail on
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: bonds totaling six hundred and twenty dollars. She walked out
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: of the Marathon gas station on Fourteenth Street in Bradenton
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: and unknowingly waved an undercovered detective with the Special the
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Sheriff's Office of Special Investigations Division, who was talking to
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: another woman. According to an arrest report, the detective told
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: the other woman he was there to pick up do Reno,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: and do Reno got into his car as the underco
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: undercover detective drove north on Fourteenth West.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: These are some details, but not the important thing exactly,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Like nobody cares about these street names. What people want to.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Know is and they were driving north on fourteenth Street West.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: The nugget count and the type of sauce, That's what
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: we want to know.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Why is fourteenth Street West drive going north and south?
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know, because it's the west side of fourteenth
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Street that runs north and south.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Anyway, he told her that he wanted some moral sex,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: and she agreed to do it for twenty five dollars.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: As they briefly went back and forth on the price,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: she finally agreed to perform the act for the twenty
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: five dollars and chicken McNuggets. Still no determination. Four piece,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: ten piece?
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Was it the meal? Was it supersized? What kind of
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: drink did you get, because let me tell you what
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: that diet coke or the regular coke at McDonald's really
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: hits to that crisp coat.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: I know you remember when we got one a couple
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: of weeks ago and I accidentally slapped it.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: He spilt it into the sink.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Kiss.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: That's that was a day. We had multiple spills a day.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: The five year old, she spilt her milk. The three
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: year old spilt his chocolate milk.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, stew spilt his fountain drank from McDonald's. Yep, I
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: almost cried. The detective showed to Reno that he had
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: the cash, and he pulled over in the forty two
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: hundred block of fourteenth Street West. Great details there on
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: this story, with the exception again of nugget counts.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, I think I starting to start about nugget counts.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm going to beat this horse. It's been dead.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna kick it.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: It is dead. He has now turned into nuggets. Sweet.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Well, anyway, this place that he pulled into, this is
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: where other detectives are waiting to take her into custody.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: When do Reno's purse was searched just what.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: We should be spending our time on fighting crimes to Seriously,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: did you.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Let me get to the end of the store.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: When do Reno's purse was searched, detectives found two hypodermic needles,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: several small baggies, a spoon, and a burnt glass pipe
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: consistent with either heroin or crack cocaine use. Just last month,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: do Reno was placed on probation for three years after
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: she pleaded guilty to grand theft auto and possession of
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: drug paraphernalia.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I will argue she need to be picked
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: up because this is what this is the problem is
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: that the drugs only affect you until you start doing
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: crazy things like stealing cars, and then you run into
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: people and kill people that because you're under the influence
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: of drugs or whatever or alcohol. If she was just
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: trying to get the nuggets in the need then let
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: it go. But I don't like the your If you're
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: if you're doing drugs and alcohol and you start affecting
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: other people, you need to be locked up, yes, because
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: eventually you're gonna kill somebody or harm somebody. So it's
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: like drunk drivers. I don't understand why they keep letting them. Yeah,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: he was fifty and now he's killed a family of four.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: It's like, what what are we doing? Like those people
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: are not going to change. They have a problem. No
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: matter what you do, they'll figure out a way around it.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: And they'll still get.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: In a car, have somebody bath lizer, yes.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Because all they got to do, or they could just
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: get into a different car, like take someone, take someone
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: else's car, like and do these things. So yeah, anyways,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: all right, well that was our y'all need Jesus in
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: our case out of Texas again. Apologies for it being late,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: but we are trying our best.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: We don't We're just what we got.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: We are.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: We are.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Heading into a weekend of deep freeze. If you're in
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: the South, you're probably part of it.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Actually, it's all over, it's everywhere. I said, two hundred
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: and thirty five million people will be affected by this, Okay,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: so yes, I mean if you're in California joining the
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: weather or there in Malibu or.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Whatever, like fuck you.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: But anyways, but I don't know how many Malibu listeners
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: we have.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think we have any Malibu listen. That's a
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: little they're cup of tomatoes.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: No, it's a little too upscale for us, promise.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: And if we did have them, we lost them when
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: we talked about how many how many chicken nugg as
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: we would exchange for sex sex. Okay, so anyways, but
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: so we're hoping to get another since we don't can't
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: do anything in the house, like we're just gonna be
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: stuck in the house. We're hoping to get an episode
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: recorded for next week, but no promises, but that's what
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: we're trying to do because originally we were gonna skip
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: next week, but now since we'll be on vacation, but
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: we might be able to do it now because we're
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: literally going to be stuck in this house from like starting,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: which is gonna be rough for us because we've already
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: been stuck in the house. Yes, we didn't do any
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: of our Yeah, we didn't do any of our activities
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: this week. We didn't go to library time, we didn't
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: go a little Jim the one, didn't go to a
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: speech therapy. So they have literally been in this house
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: sick for a week now and now we're fixing to
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: go into two days of lockdown because it's gonna be
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: like ten degrees outside so hopefully we don't lose power.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: We are on the we're on some sort of our neighborhoods
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: hooked to something important, so we usually don't lose powers.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: What I've been told, yeah, I think we've got a
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: fire station or something and.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Then something else that's important for infrastructure. I can't remember
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: what they said, but there's a fire station in something else. Anyways,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: so we're hoping to get one recorded for next week
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: to go out on time, and I think that's it.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: We're gonna try to record a y'all need Jesus or
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: not y'all need Jesus Shoot the Pooh tomorrow. That'll be tomorrow,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: which is Saturday. That will if you're on Patreon listening
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: to this right now, that's tomorrow. We're gonna try to
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: get one of those out for you. So anyways, all right, well.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, what I got something?
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: You always ask me if I got anything. You always
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: expect me to say.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: No, okay, do you have any things?
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just so nobody has to look it up. Today's
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: prices in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty six
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: four piece chicken McNugget three dollars thirty nine cents one
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: hundred and seventy calories. Win six piece chicken nuggets. Just
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: the nuggets is four thirty nine. Twenty piece chicken nugget
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: nine ninety nine, and a forty piece nugget is nineteen nine.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, forty piece, you got to go for the forty piece.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: And a ten piece nugget is five. Did they have
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: a forty piece back in two thousand and seven?
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: No, I think that we've that's our supersized lifestyles right now. Well, yeah,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: most I remember back then was a ten piece and
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: it was supposed to be like a family share thing.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Now we're under like twenty and forty piece.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Well, if you're carrious, the forty piece chicken McNuggets is
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: sixteen hundred and fifty calories. If you eat all forty p.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Well, you could just eat that all day, But didn't
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: you'd have the factor in sauces. You might still be Oh,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: you could eat just that all day with the sauces
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: in a diet coke and still be probably in a
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: calorie deficit.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: You think, yeah, thinks, just just grays on them all day.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Just keep microwaving chicken chicken McNuggets are I will I
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: will partake occasionally, but I have gone further and further
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: away from But if you do eat them, they have
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: to be fresh. You can't be I can't do that.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Not I got an hour later.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: I gotta have tendies. I gotta know it's real chicken. Yes,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know what these nugget things are, the Wendy's
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: or the McDonald's, not ever anything that just breaks apart.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I always was very skeptical. Skeptical at least McDonald's. I
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: felt like they shaped them into that form. But like
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: the Burger king chicken fries and like, h no, I
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: don't want that. So I haven't into a burger in
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: you forever. They've really gone downhill. So everything's gone downhill
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: in the prices.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Of water Burger. I love water Burger that pound. Yep,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: we got a new water Burger. Open it close as
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: we do.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on, all right, so we will see
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: you next time. Buy Everyone say by ste.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Bad lick to be superstitious. Mind nothing else. It's working,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: and my hand is really hurting, and I'm sick of
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: this worry bout things. I cambage