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Men are to blame for us blaming them | Maintaining Frame 193 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Now at a place where I see Democrats talking about
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  Speaker 1: men in general and young men in particular, and I
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  Speaker 1: think of them as like Ben Shapiro towards Muslims.
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  Speaker 2: Every sitcom has some man rolling his eyes at his
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  Speaker 2: wife because she asked him to take on some childcare
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  Speaker 2: responsibility or clean the house or something. And now you're
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  Speaker 2: mad that women don't want to continue to be victims
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  Speaker 2: and are asserting themselves.
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  Speaker 3: Because you are essentially implying that high school boys are
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  Speaker 3: protected class and I cannot, under any regard see them
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  Speaker 3: in that way.
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  Speaker 4: It's amazing, all right. So that's just a little bit
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  Speaker 4: of a taste of what we have coming. Hello everybody,
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  Speaker 4: and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian
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  Speaker 4: im here with Alison. This is maintaining frame number one
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  Speaker 4: ninety three. Men are to blame for us blaming them
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  Speaker 4: when women blame men for things, it's men's fault that
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  Speaker 4: women are put in the position.
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  Speaker 5: Of having to that's such emotional labor.
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  Speaker 4: It is in fact emotional labor. Yes, and we're going
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  Speaker 4: to be looking at a video by well, it's a channel.
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  Speaker 4: It's called the Bad Faith Podcast. The host is Brianna
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  Speaker 4: Joy Gray and Brianna Joy Gray is an American political commentator, lawyer,
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  Speaker 4: political consultant. Uh She used to write for The Intercept.
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  Speaker 4: She was part of the Bernie Sanders campaign and a
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  Speaker 4: lot of other things, very very much like a you know, involved,
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  Speaker 4: not a small presence in the in the journalism space,
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  Speaker 4: and she has on a couple of guests, one of
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  Speaker 4: which is Ella Davey, who is a recent high school graduate,
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  Speaker 4: that's the woman at the bottom there, and Canvasser for
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  Speaker 4: Zorn Mamdani, the recent recently elected mayor of New York City.
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  Speaker 4: And the other the gentleman, is Ryan Grimm. He's a
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  Speaker 4: journalist formerly with The Intercept, currently with drop site News
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  Speaker 4: and he co hosts Breaking Points. And the conversation they're
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  Speaker 4: having is largely about the male loneliness epidemic. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know why I'm putting it in quotes because it's totally
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  Speaker 4: like a real problem. But the way that well, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we'll just let them figure out how they're talking about.
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  Speaker 4: I think that this was first of all, this was
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  Speaker 4: sent to me on x SO shout out to I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to find the name Morgan Balan Balanasser who sent
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  Speaker 4: it to me and said hi, Brian at Bad Faith
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  Speaker 4: Pod just had a debate in male loneliness. They didn't
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  Speaker 4: really represent the pro men's side at all. They had
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  Speaker 4: someone that's the man, but he doesn't really know the
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  Speaker 4: issues very well. I don't know if you, Allison want
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  Speaker 4: to cover it. And I thought nothing of it, and
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  Speaker 4: then I watched like the first third seconds a little
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  Speaker 4: bit more than this, and I was like, wow, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we got to talk about it because well, I mean
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  Speaker 4: I found it interesting, and because we're looking at a
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  Speaker 4: high school girl, the one at the bottom. She supposedly
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  Speaker 4: like represents the youth. She's apparently she has a nickname,
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  Speaker 4: or she's part of like a group called Hot Girls
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  Speaker 4: or Mom Donnie, or she is the hot girl for
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  Speaker 4: Mom Donnie. I'm not I'm not sure which of thouse
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  Speaker 4: it is. And so she's sort of like a representative
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  Speaker 4: of this kind of political movement of her age group
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  Speaker 4: of the Zoomers or even the Alphas at this point,
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  Speaker 4: and she's talking with these two adults, and the adults,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they're they Brianna Joy might be worse than
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  Speaker 4: the high school girl. I mean, I can I can
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  Speaker 4: at least say, oh, she's naive, but like she's a voter,
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  Speaker 4: so she has political sway she can affect the people
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  Speaker 4: in our life. And they're having a conversation about men
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  Speaker 4: and well, I won't I won't spoil it, but we'll
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  Speaker 4: see how much empathy they have. But before we get
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  Speaker 4: into that, I guess I'll let Alice send the things.
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  Speaker 5: that's necessary to end this, which is blame women. I
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  Speaker 5: for one, blame women. Nobody can stop me, and I
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  Speaker 5: can blame women with the eagerness, freeness, and absolute joy
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  Speaker 6: Then do you want me to say, so let's.
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  Speaker 4: Get into I want to get into this this opening section. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 4: I want to get into It's like thirty seconds, So
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  Speaker 4: I want to let this play out. Well, there's a
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  Speaker 4: little bit more of this opening section because this gives
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  Speaker 4: you an idea of what the tone of this is
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  Speaker 4: going to be. It's usually like taking like the spiciest
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  Speaker 4: things and like throwing them together right at the beginning
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  Speaker 4: of the video. So let's do it.
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  Speaker 6: Are still running and.
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  Speaker 4: Go back a little bit, a little bit because she
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  Speaker 4: did say something there relevant, every single thing.
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  Speaker 1: Miserable.
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  Speaker 3: Please, you guys are the hands of your own.
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  Speaker 1: Destruction the speech.
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  Speaker 4: He's she said, it's a man's world. Go go back
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more like right here.
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  Speaker 3: Protected class and I cannot under any regard see them
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  Speaker 3: in that way.
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  Speaker 5: It's fine, it doesn't matter, Chyle, Oh god, sorry, it's
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  Speaker 5: a man. So she's saying, it's a man's world.
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  Speaker 4: And what is he saying, Well, let's let's let him
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  Speaker 4: say it.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, every single thing.
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  Speaker 1: And they're all miserable at the hands of your own.
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  Speaker 4: Destruction the speech, So she said, he's saying they're all miserable.
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  Speaker 4: She's saying, it's a man's world. They have everything, there's
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  Speaker 4: no reason for them to be upset. And he says,
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  Speaker 4: but they're miserable. Well he doesn't say, but he says,
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  Speaker 4: and which I think is not even nearly argumentative enough.
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  Speaker 4: And then she's basically saying, well, they can't even do that,
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  Speaker 4: they can't even like be happy despite the fact they
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  Speaker 4: had that all the power. So and he's just like
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  Speaker 4: unable to respond because he isn't much better. Unfortunately, there
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  Speaker 4: really isn't a voice for men in this conversation. Upon intended,
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  Speaker 4: I could have been.
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  Speaker 1: Delivered by a anti criminal justice reform person. Verbat, girls are.
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  Speaker 3: Not inflicting sexual violence onto.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, all right, can we stop here? Like we've just
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  Speaker 5: gone through a whole bunch of shit that needs to
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  Speaker 5: be responded to. I'm just saying he's right, this entire frame.
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  Speaker 5: I love how grinny they are. I wanted to say
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  Speaker 5: one thing. I keep getting accused of radicalizing men. I
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  Speaker 5: don't think I'm the woman radicalizing men. I think women grinning,
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  Speaker 5: you know, like they're they're playing pocket pool while talking
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  Speaker 5: about the misery of men is radicalizing men. Them saying
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  Speaker 5: things like well, they deserve it because they did it
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  Speaker 5: to themselves, a bootstrapping rhetoric. That's radicalizing men. The fact
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  Speaker 5: that they can see these women who are a majority
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  Speaker 5: of the electorate electorate and not just vote in their
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  Speaker 5: own interests, but a vote against the interests of the
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  Speaker 5: other half of the electorate, which is men, and do
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  Speaker 5: so with absolute glee and complete assurance that they they're
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  Speaker 5: doing the right thing, that they're they're inflicting this harm
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  Speaker 5: on men because they deserve it. I mean, in any
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  Speaker 5: other world, like if you had half the electorate gleefully saying, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: we're going to make it worse for the other half,
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  Speaker 5: would you blame the other half for thinking about maybe
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  Speaker 5: they should be disenfranchised? Because I don't think that I've
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  Speaker 5: ever heard men really act so gleeful about anything facing women.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, certainly not to this degree. And again I'm
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  Speaker 5: the one radicalizing men, am I not this woman grinning
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  Speaker 5: over their misery, cackling over their misery like a jackal
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  Speaker 5: huh okay. And then the other thing is that he's
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  Speaker 5: absolutely right. The feminist narrative would be considered a supremacist
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  Speaker 5: to genesis narrative if it targeted any other group. And
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  Speaker 5: their only alibi for why it's just defied when they're
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  Speaker 5: targeting men is their whole elaborate conspiracy theory about patriarchy,
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  Speaker 5: which if you judge it on the facts, and you
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  Speaker 5: judge it on logic and empirical rigor falls apart like
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  Speaker 5: a tissue paper in a frickin' tsunami. Yeah, it's just
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  Speaker 5: it evaporates instantly in the face of any kind of
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  Speaker 5: empirical rigor. So their framework for why it's justified to
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  Speaker 5: be bigoted towards men is false. It is so false.
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  Speaker 5: It is the most false thing we have ever asserted
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  Speaker 5: as a species. It's falsity is going to carve itself
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  Speaker 5: into the architect the archaeological record. It is so false,
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  Speaker 5: all right, And this is what they used to justify
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  Speaker 5: all their cackling and all their grinning and all their Oh,
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  Speaker 5: we're gonna use our we're gonna use our voting power
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  Speaker 5: to make things even worse because we don't even recognize
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  Speaker 5: and even though we say that men have constructed a
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  Speaker 5: society that bena fits them, and all the evidence that
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  Speaker 5: men are actually not don't they don't you know, the
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  Speaker 5: buffet of society, all the good things of society. Men
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  Speaker 5: are not actually grabbing them all for themselves. They're leaving
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  Speaker 5: them for women, right, And in fact, they are disproportionately
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  Speaker 5: represented in the sacrifices to create the buffet of society. Right,
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  Speaker 5: All of the evidence of that is just patriarchy backfiring
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  Speaker 5: and men doing it to themselves, not counter evidence for
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  Speaker 5: their own assertions. This is such a anti intellectual ball
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  Speaker 5: of fuck right, And I can absolutely one sympathize with
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  Speaker 5: men who look at it and realize these people vote
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  Speaker 5: and they vote for issues that affect men, and they're
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  Speaker 5: categorically incapable of recognizing or accepting that those issues might
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  Speaker 5: harm men, and saying this is, I don't want to
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  Speaker 5: be part of this society unless these people smarten the
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  Speaker 5: hell up or lose their vote. I can, I can,
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  Speaker 5: I can sympathize with that. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: I also I think I think, actually, now that you
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  Speaker 4: mention it, I think that what these people vote for,
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  Speaker 4: it's not just something that will affect men directly, but
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  Speaker 4: it is essentially something that men in general are all
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  Speaker 4: going to have to build it or or be a
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  Speaker 4: part of the structure of whatever it is. They vote for,
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  Speaker 4: whatever it is, if they want free housing, if they
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  Speaker 4: want medicine, if they want food, snap benefits, fucking whatever
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  Speaker 4: it is, it's men that's going to do the bulk,
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  Speaker 4: the overwhelming majority of the labor that is involved in
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  Speaker 4: giving this to these people. Yes, not just the taxes,
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  Speaker 4: which we already know men pay the taxes or not
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  Speaker 4: just that, but like the actual work that comes from
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  Speaker 4: that and the enforcement of that on the people who
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  Speaker 4: are doing it, all of that's going to come from men.
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  Speaker 4: So so like they're they're I'm sorry, but women's contribution
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  Speaker 4: to that is.
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  Speaker 5: It's negligible, and it's it's decreasing because the women who
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  Speaker 5: support the system most are married married, and that that
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  Speaker 5: number of women's decree decreasing. Right, So basically, what when
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  Speaker 5: you look at this in terms of civil service, when
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  Speaker 5: you because these people are talking about the fact that
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  Speaker 5: the number of women or young women who want to
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  Speaker 5: get married is at an all time low, Well, girlfriends,
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  Speaker 5: beyond the implication for men's loneliness, which you're just going
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  Speaker 5: to cackle about and just be like, oh huhuh, pat
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  Speaker 5: each other over the backs for making men more miserable,
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  Speaker 5: because that's that's your great goal in life. Well, there's
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  Speaker 5: a there's more of a problem with that because the
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  Speaker 5: only group of women that is generally a net positive
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  Speaker 5: to siety are married. Okay, single women, they're hovering at least,
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  Speaker 5: they're not a net negative. Single women with children a
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  Speaker 5: gigantic net narrit negative, and the number of women who
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  Speaker 5: are drawing from the system and setting putting into the
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  Speaker 5: system is increasing. So the number of women who are
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  Speaker 5: married and have any kind of positive input to the
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  Speaker 5: system is decreasing, and the number of women who don't,
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  Speaker 5: who are single, who vote for all of these policies
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  Speaker 5: that everyone else has to underwrite, is increasing. So married
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  Speaker 5: women's decreasing, single women are increasing. Single women are a
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  Speaker 5: net drag on society. They are a net negative to
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  Speaker 5: the tax base. They're a net negative for getting things done.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody is subsidizing their asses, including married women, and now
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  Speaker 5: more young women want to enter those roles. They want
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  Speaker 5: to enter the demographic that contributes least to society, and
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  Speaker 5: the rest of us are not happy with that. I
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  Speaker 5: wonder why. I mean these women, I don't know, have
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  Speaker 5: they ever paid taxes in their lives, either of.
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  Speaker 4: Them probably on their Sephora bag or they saw something
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  Speaker 4: that taken out of their paycheck. But when you but again,
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  Speaker 4: if you look at the big picture of like where
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  Speaker 4: most of that money is coming from, it's not women.
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  Speaker 4: But uh okay, so.
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  Speaker 5: I picked up what honest here, Brian, there is this
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  Speaker 5: distinct difference between a woman who is married and is
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  Speaker 5: part of a system incentivizing a married man to provide
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  Speaker 5: more to the state and also creating the future of
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  Speaker 5: our civilization by having children and a single mother who
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  Speaker 5: is producing demographic collapse and dangerous individuals. I mean not all,
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  Speaker 5: but a substantially greater majority of such individuals come from
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  Speaker 5: single mother households. So you know, there's one route for
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  Speaker 5: womanhood that's actually productive and socially responsible, and there's one
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  Speaker 5: route that isn't. And these women are celebrating women taking
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  Speaker 5: the route that isn't in a system that's increasingly failing,
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  Speaker 5: all right, And there's a difference there. I yes, I
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  Speaker 5: know men are primarily responsible for the taxes, but women
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  Speaker 5: are primarily responsible for sort of marrying men and putting
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  Speaker 5: them from the single category, which they contribute about as
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  Speaker 5: much as single women without children, because those women don't
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  Speaker 5: really draw a lot from welfare and other benefits either.
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  Speaker 5: And married women and married men like they are the
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  Speaker 5: ones who are marrying the men and putting them in
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  Speaker 5: the category that is the largest taxpayer. Okay, and a
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  Speaker 5: lot of the a lot of the tax deductions for
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  Speaker 5: marriage aren't that great. Maybe when you have children but
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  Speaker 5: otherwise no, all right, so this is this is uh.
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  Speaker 5: In fact, if myself and my husband live separately, we
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  Speaker 5: would get more in personal tax deductions than as a
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  Speaker 5: married couple. But anyway, that's neither here nor there. So,
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  Speaker 5: but the point is that married men contribute the most.
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  Speaker 5: Married women contribute less than married men. But on the
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  Speaker 5: other hand, they're also the reason why married men are
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  Speaker 5: married men, and they're contributing the incentive structure of having
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  Speaker 5: children and having a wife for the married men. So
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  Speaker 5: they are contributing, Like can we can we at least
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  Speaker 5: acknowledge that, because we've got to have a pathway forward.
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  Speaker 5: And then we have single women and single men who
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  Speaker 5: are contributing about the same amount in terms of taxes,
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  Speaker 5: with single women without children not really drawing as much
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  Speaker 5: on social service. And then we have single mothers. Now,
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  Speaker 5: the real problem with single women and single men is
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  Speaker 5: that they vote democrat, which enables single mothers to continue
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  Speaker 5: to predate on the rest of us. And now we
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  Speaker 5: have these people celebrating this problem getting worse.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, all.
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  Speaker 4: Right, So I found the time codes that have become
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  Speaker 4: the most argumentative. Okay, so, and there's a few of those,
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  Speaker 4: but I figured that would be a good way to
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  Speaker 4: break it down. So let's get into this is four
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  Speaker 4: twenty Well, it's like four to twenty. They get into
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  Speaker 4: a tweet that's got.
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  Speaker 6: Somebody there, he cited from twenty twenty two. Now in response, we.
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  Speaker 4: Go back a little bit. Sorry, it's like four sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: Percent twelfth grade girls that say they want to get
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  Speaker 2: married has dropped over twenty points over the last thirty years,
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  Speaker 2: while the boys and and getting married has stayed about
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  Speaker 2: the same. Wilcox framed this trend as quote disastrous because
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  Speaker 2: he says married women do better than unmarried women. They
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  Speaker 2: have more assets in midlife, they are less lonely, and
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  Speaker 2: they're twice as likely to be happy.
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  Speaker 6: According to Don't Give a Crap Social Survey, I don't
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  Speaker 6: give a crap.
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  Speaker 5: Married women pay more in taxes. Ruh. They incentivize married
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  Speaker 5: men who pay the most in taxes. They are not
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  Speaker 5: a net drain on society the end, I don't give
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  Speaker 5: a crap about their happiness. Who gives a fuck? Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: get your big girl panties on and enter the adult world. Uh.
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  Speaker 4: I got a super chat from Albatross. Thank you Albatross,
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  Speaker 4: And he says kind of off topic, but the episode
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  Speaker 4: from Wednesday about how people respond to vulnerable women kind
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  Speaker 4: of reminds me of cuckoo birds chicks manipulating their host
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  Speaker 4: parents into forfeiting their own chicks. Thank you for that, okay?
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  Speaker 6: He cited from twenty twenty two now.
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  Speaker 2: In response, Jill Philippovich, who you might know as a
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  Speaker 2: sort of liberal columnist and a kind of a frequent
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  Speaker 2: godfly to the left, quoted Wilcox, writing, quote might be
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  Speaker 2: worth asking what it is about high school boys that
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: girls don't find peeling. I have a feeling the list
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: is long and informative.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: So they're talking about, like what you know that girls
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: are not interested in boys according to some survey, And
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: of course it's because of something that boys are doing.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Stuck it up, Yeah, teenage boys, like, yeah, it's all right.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: At this point, Ryan Grim drops jumps in saying, uh,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: to Jill, there's no place for this kind of bigotry
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: in decent society. No decent person on the left would
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: ever dream of saying something that's hateful toward all girls,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: and it's not okay to say about boys. And at
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: this point, Ella, who again is a recent high school
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: graduate and closer to this than any of us involved
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: so far, tweeted, I graduated high school six months ago
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: and can confidently tell you that a third of high
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: school boys at maximum see girls slash women as people,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: and she followed up with a specific.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: A third one women as people.
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: Well, maybe you're not acting like people. Huh you ever
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: consider that?
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, these are just like who knows how reliable?
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this is all around are So it's.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Kind of stupid, but they're using it to this conversation.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Sorry, go ahead, it is not it's just somebody's opinion, Like,
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: is this basically just somebody decided to beak off about
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: this and there's nothing behind it? Right, and if you okay,
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: the amount of teenage girls who blame everything on boys
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: and invest in a narrative that would consider be considered
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: bigotry if they targeted any other group of people is
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: far higher than the reverse. How about we start right there.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: Teenage girls' attitudes towards boys have declined, and maybe this
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: isn't their fault because they've it's declined under an overwhelming narrative,
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: highly visible, highly pushed narrative, and utterly false narrative that
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: boys and men are to blame for victimizing girls. Right,
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: So this whole thing is like, how many girls actually
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: treat boys like human beings? You're gonna say one third
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: of boys only treat, you know, treat women as or
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: women and girls as human beings as people will. How
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: about the reverse, how many of you treat boys young
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: men as human beings rather than problems?
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Yep, problems that needs solving, right, yeah, problems. Yes. So
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: there's a bit more of this because they're going to
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: get in there. They're just sort of like setting up
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: the conversation.
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: So I at her high school that we'll get into.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Surely, I want to start with you, Ella, What did
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: you think when you saw how folks were reacting to
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: the Jill Philippovich tweet and what provoked you to want
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: to get into the mix.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: I think that when we talk about young women not
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: finding young men appealing, we're talking about the massive right
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: word shift actually that we've been with among men young
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: men paired with.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: So remember this Ella girl. She's she's in high school
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: or she's graduating, I'm not sure, but she's like very young,
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: and she is a but she's politically active, like very
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: politically active, and she is a mom Donnie like organizer,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: So she was involved in organizing the campaign or helping
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: with the campaign to get Zorn Mamdani elected mayor of
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: New York City. So she's got a specific worldview, let's
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: just say, and it's a very very feminist, in fact intersectional.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: So she is seeing she's basically like saying, I have
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: this worldview. I saw data that shows that boys are
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: moving right, this is why they're unattractive because they don't
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: have my politics. So I think that's like what she's
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: getting at. But let's let's let's let's listen.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: The pre existing dehumanization of women we already see throughout society,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: including within the left. And I often see critique or
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: inquiry into the behavior of young men being characterized as bigotry,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: which kind, yes, it is, okay.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: It is one bigotry. And the only thing that it
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: makes you think it isn't is a lie, a lie
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: that you can even see these women debunking as they speak. Right,
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: men create society, Men in authority creates society for men's
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: own benefit at the expense of women. This man as
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: milk toast as he is mentions. But men, you know,
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: these are the things that men aren't being benefited by
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: and the woman cackles and says, that's their own fault. Yes, bitch,
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: because men enforce sacrifice on other men, leading to worse
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: outcomes for men. Why in order to make sure women
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: are protected and provided for. That is not patriarchy backfiring.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: That is literally the purpose of civilization. And they cackle it,
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: but they recognize it, and then they deflect it, apparently
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: unaware that that is the counter evidence for their own assertions.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: So this woman is saying, oh, again, I can't see
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: that as bigotry. Well, of course it's bigotry. The only
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: excuse for it. It's false. You're gonna say, oh, but
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: it's because of patriarchy. We get to be bigoted towards boys. Well,
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: patriarchy as feminist frame, it is a lie. It's a lie,
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: so you have no excuse, and yes, it's bigotry.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm, all right.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Cheapens the word, especially when the word bigotry should be
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: used to describe the appalling behavior that young men inflict
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: onto young women on a daily basis.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: I like you, So she's saying the word bigotry is
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: being when you say that women are being bigoted to
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: men or boys in this example, and you call it bigotry,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: you're actually taking power or you're making the word less impactful.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: So she's admitting to the negative some game, but not
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: because like she doesn't think it's a good thing, because
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: it should only be used when talking about women, even
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: if it's in the mildest sense. Right, if you're trolling
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: a woman online by saying we control your bodies, right,
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: that is bigotry, Like that is that that's where it
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: really belongs. So that's where it really matters. But if
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: you're like basically telling boys they don't matter and they
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: kill themselves, you can't call that bigoted because it it
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: makes the word mean less when it's used in defense
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: of boys or to criticize people who are bigoted towards boys.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: So yeah, bigotry is the gendered term. Guys.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I graduated high school six months ago, right at the
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: peak of Andrew Tate's rise. I saw my peers be
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: indoctrinated by Andrew Tate. Nick Fuentes.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: The substantiated what it's unsubstantiated what she's saying.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: She's just saying they got indoctrinated, like they did. You
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: guys know that Andrew Tate has mental powers like Professor X.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: That's why he's bald, because he's a mutant with psychic
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: powers to make men hate women, even though Andrew Tate's
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: entire empire is built on appealing to women like his.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: I mean if and and Nick Fuentes is a virgin,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: like intentionally he's celibate. But these guys are the worst
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: enemies of women, don't you know? Okay, it doesn't even
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: make sense, but this is just again, all she's doing
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: narrative the record. It's an invocation. She says their names
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: to put you in a in a an emotional state
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: of fear, because you're taught to fear those names. If if,
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: if it weren't those guys, like if those guys exploded
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: and died tomorrow, she would just be saying somebody else.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: She'd say Jordan Peterson, who's basically nothing like Andrew Tate.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: But it doesn't matter. It's just a yeah. It'd be
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Warren Ferrell, it be Paul Elin, it be Steve Bannon,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: it be jd Vance, it be you know, fucking what's
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: the Indian guy that ran uh vivik Ramaswami. It doesn't matter,
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: it's it's just somebody you know. Mm hmmm. So anyway,
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: all right, Uh, that's the first. So she's you want
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: to you want me to see if there's after this?
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sure. I'm just wondering where she talks about the
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: sexual assault statistics, because, as everybody knows, I've been watching
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: those like a hawk for twenty years. So i' is
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: that only at the beginning?
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: No, no, it's no, No, The beginning was like a
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: little bit of a what do you call it, a
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: sizzle reel with a bunch.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, No. I can also find the time code
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: as well, so I'll do that.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: The sexual violence that these young men think is okay
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: is disturbing, and the sooner that the left.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Except no, she's just saying that they that they assert
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: sexual violence, because yeah, bullshit.
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: Like okay, first of all, let's let's address the men's
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: flight to the right. No, you are running full tilt
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: to the left, and men are going slightly left but
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: a little less fast. That's not a flight to the right.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Very moderate, they're very.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: They're like center right.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Men.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: Young men have gone center right, and you guys have
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: gone radically left. So from where you're looking, men look
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: like they're far right, but they're actually only center right. Okay,
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: that's that's it, and you can't even handle that level
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: of disagreement. This is the other issue with all of this,
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: and this is this is this is the politic political issue,
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: all right. Conservative and liberal are functions. Women have turned
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: them into political tribes. Okay, And I know this sounds
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: really strange what I'm saying, but conservative is a set
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: of very necessary virtues and what you sacrifice for what
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: you uphold. Liberal is also a set of very necessary virtues,
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: what you sacrifice and what you uphold. Jordan Peterson would
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: echo what I'm saying, okay. And in order to have
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: an advanced society that can both respond to new circumstance
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: and retain a sense of itself, you need both. Okay.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: You need self doubt that allows you to change how
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: you respond to things, and you also need loyalty to
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: the things that work, you know, and the things that
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: make you who you are. But both of these are
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: forms of sacrifice. Self sacrifice and doubting yourself, which you know,
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: postmodernism can see be seen as like an extreme element
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: of at least the way they use it now. And
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: then also self sacrifice in terms of duty and responsibility
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: to tradition. Right, These are the virtues of both, and
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: you need both in a kind of synergistic thing going
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: forward to have a society that is not stagnant and
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: is not imploding. Okay, so that's what you need. These
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: are functions. That's what I want to get across. Now.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: I don't think that the left function or the liberal
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: function is in any way being done by the political
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: tribalists who call themselves the left. Now they just completely
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: abandoned it, and what they are is political tribalists, right.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: And this woman is a political tribalist. She recognizes nothing
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: legitimate in the function conservative. Nothing. She thinks that politics
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: are a way of determining who you exclude, not who
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: you work with because they have a set of skills
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: that you don't like. People think that I'm conservative. But
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: the reason why I think they do and I'm not.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: I don't have a problem with being called conservative, aside
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: from the fact that it's not really the function that
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: resonates with is because I recognize the importance of the
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: conservative position. I recognize the importance of what they say
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: and how they think, and the virtues that they espouse,
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: and I get called conservative because of that, even though
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: I also recognize the virtues of the liberal position and
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: what they sacrifice and what they espouse, right, a true
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: liberal position, I recognize both sides. I get called conservative
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: because I don't think that someone having that particular set
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: or even call it or identifying based on that particular
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: set of values and functions is a bad person. Right,
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: That is a person I want to have debates with.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: I want to have discussions with that I feel is
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: a necessary ballast to whatever craziness that I'm going to propose. Right,
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: that's what I mean. It's a synergy. And she takes
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: that and like a woman, women in particular, is what
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: they this is what they do. She turns it into
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: a reason to exclude people from the conversation. There is
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: There is absolutely no legitimacy to someone saying, while men,
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: young men are center right, therefore they should be excluded
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: from society. M what the hell society do you think
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: that's going to construct? Lady, a gigantic echo chamber of
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: people like you whose entire political outlook is who do
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: I exclude today?
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: Well, she is really young. I think that she's Ironically,
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: I think she's the one that's indoctrinated. Because the truth is,
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: when it comes to liberal and conservative, there's no one
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: on earth is all of one or the other. Yes,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: everyone has everyone. Yes, everyone has a degree of openness
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: to new ideas and a desire to hold on to
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: or to preserve some old ideas that worked. I mean,
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: some people are not rational or whatever, but that's that
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: they don't have like it's it's got it's it's bookends.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: That's what it is. It's bookends on most and everyone
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: has it like you, Like you can push a leftist
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: to the point where you will get them to be
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: conservative on an issue.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: You just have to bring up men's issues, and then
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: they bring exactly stereotype.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: The thing is, it's not all of one or the other.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: No one's like that. It's just it's just not true.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: But I think that the problem is that, like you said,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: and I think it's it's true, it's that these have
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: turned this into a tribe instead of a set of
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: you know, values that have some flexibility, right, And they're
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: and they're extremely inflexible in their desire or their their
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: addiction to pushing for the most like what they believe
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: to be the best value system, because that's what they've made.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: It is that they're like, we are the good people
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: that believe the good things. Therefore everybody who opposes us
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: are the bad people that believe the bad things, and
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: that it's that simplistic. And and this is why they
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: inevitably push their own out, because they eventually get to
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: a point where someone isn't good enough, and then they
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: immediately become bad. It's like, you know what, when men
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: are shifting in a reasonable sense, you know, slightly right,
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: they're like, well, we got to hold back on you know, immigration,
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: and I don't think you should be aborting every baby
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: up until nine months, and I don't think we should
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: be paying for everything, like and I don't want to
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: go to war in Ukraine or in the Middle East,
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: so I want to like pull back on that. And
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: women are like, what's wrong with you? Why are you
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: oppressing us? Like if they don't even it doesn't even
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: register that that's reasonable. They just see that as far right,
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: and it's it's I don't know, I think that I
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: think women have a lot of them have drank the
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: kool aid, especially childless or single moms, but especially the
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: childless women. I just saw like and it's not in
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: this video, but there was a state a data point
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: that came out and showed that it was I think
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: it was on based camp with Malcolm and Simone, and
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: they saw that like single women, like young single women
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: were like the biggest pushers of these sort of like socialists,
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: you know, politicians, because they don't they don't they're not
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: invested in the future. They don't they see themselves as
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: deserving of these things like whatever the free stuff is
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: and there they don't know what like the long term,
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: you know, there's nothing to draw from in terms of
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: like wisdom because they don't respect anybody else, especially people
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: like men who might like know where this is going
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: or maybe are old enough to have some experience and say,
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: well this isn't a good idea so then but yeah,
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: so I think that's like just like showing where where
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: I think this comes from.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: But it's taking it's well, I mean, even if there's flexibility,
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: because some people tend to be orientated to one versus
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: the other, but they're more like functions, you know, and
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: a set of virtues and a set of functions, and
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: women like this. And it's mostly women because even even
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: liberal men. But even men on the left are more
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: likely to be less censorious than women on the left.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but are more there's still men, they're they're on
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: some level.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they still resonate with this kind of honorable opponent
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: kind of thing that men do, and and they can
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: still wreckon like to to agree. They can still recognize
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: the right to speak. Now, everybody's too censorious in this
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: day and age, but regardless, it still is very much
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: a male versus female thing. Not be censorious to your
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: opponent is more of a masculine virtue. And it's because
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: men embrace the risk of uncertainty and not knowing everything.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: And that's the thing, Like, this political tribalism is driven
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: by deep insecurity and deep self hatred in my opinion,
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: because they want to reject and it's almost like they're
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: rejecting parts of themselves and this internal, constant process of rejecting,
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: throwing parts of themselves they don't like on others and
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: then rejecting them. And it's extremely dangerous. This political tribalism
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: is extremely dangerous. And that's what she's showing. So right
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: off the bat, she is morally bankrupt because she's instead
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: of showing tolerance to other viewpoints. She's showing abject intolerance
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: and political tribalism, and once you get too much of
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: that in your political system, it breaks down and then
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: everything else is a slow slide to violence.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, well yeah, yeah, she But the thing is
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: I think that I, like, I have some well I'll
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: just say this, she's eighteen years old. I think that
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: she's getting like gassed up by like adults around her,
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know, doing this of her own choice. So
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: I think that there's like she is a a she's
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: being used by people, people like the people who host
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: this show, especially the woman here, Brianna Gray. So but yeah,
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: I mean like her whole Like I I don't know
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: if I want to call it pity, but I can
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: tell that this eighteen year old girl is being used
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: and she's like spitting out all the talking points and
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: she doesn't really know what the counter examples are, and
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: it's like a regurgitation of her programming and that's all
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: we're getting from her. So I look at her like
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: a vehicle, a vehicle for this narrative, the threat narrative
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: around men.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: So yeah, anyway that this is like a public health
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: issue the sooner that we can start to address it.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: Public health issue.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Interesting, Yeah, and she wants to address it. It's a
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: public health issue. This misogyny.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: Misogyny is a public health issue. And misogyny is men
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: not having the same political opinion as me. Okay, okay,
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: all right. This is massive political tribalism, and this individual
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: you are looking at the face of the destruction of
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: Western civilization.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: Literally, this vapid puppet votes, and she votes political tribalism,
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: and she probably doesn't eat. She probably thinks she's voting
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: for good things because people should be nice to each other,
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: and being nice means agreeing with me. Oh good lord.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh all right, let's get Brianna Gray's reaction.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: I have to confess that for me, the knowledge of
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Andrew Tate and Nick Fuintes and their influence on younger
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: people in particular, it's all very anthropological, something that I'm
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: reading about third hand on the internet.
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: What help us understand?
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: She yeah, she doesn't watch she doesn't have any anthropological
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: That's how she said it.
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the silver back Andrew Tate.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I would like to have your peers
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: in a in a sort of normalized way genuinely consuming
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: this kind of content.
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: I mean, how do you know? How are they expressing themselves?
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: What's it like?
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: So she's asking her like, well, what's the evidence, like
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: how how do you know this is like how it's affecting?
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: And then she's going to respond to that.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Of course from like outside of class discussion centered around
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: feminism on gender studies. I kind you can see this
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: behavior manifest itself through casual conversations locker room talk.
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: Whoa, whoa, whoa wah what wa flow down, missy. So
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: you're engaging a lot of young men in casual conversations
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: about feminism and the genders, and you're you're you're, you're
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: slipping into the locker rooms with the young men and
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: listening to them have these talks. I mean axed a doubt.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: No, I think that again. I think she's been. She's
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: just it's buzzwords. Locker room talk is a buzzword term.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: She's not physically in the locker room. She's overhearing conversations
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: or she's like like gaslighting herself into thinking conversations are
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: taking place at aren't But like this what I'm like, Look,
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: imagine you're an eighteen year old girl. I was in
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: high school when I was eighteen, I graduated, and I
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: never had a bunch of like adults come around me
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: tell me how awesome I was and then push me
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: into like political activism, and probably she gets money or grants.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: She she got like a massive social media presence, Like
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: it goes she has like if you gas somebody up
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: that's that young, don't you think you could go to
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: their head immediately and turn them into like when they
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: think that they're just like the smartest, the brightest, the
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: best person, because everyone's telling them that, and you have
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: like this big following. Like they call her hot girl
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: for mom Zoran. That's like that that's what they call her. Okay,
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: she's not even mid but that's what they call her.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: So it goes right to their heads. And I think
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: that she is going to like get a status that
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: is unearned. And then when she is put in front
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: of cameras or sat down on a podcast. This one
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: has about two hundred thousand subscribers, so not small, and
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: they're like tell us what you think, Like they're like
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: they're just like eagerly listening to what this eighteen year
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: old girl has to say about like the absolute state
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: of the entire country. She's going to like pry to
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: say something satisfying, and yeah, maybe some bullshit words are
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: gonna come out. But what I'm saying is this person
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: is being used. Now. I'm not saying she's a victim,
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: but I'm telling you we have to look at her
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: as an eighteen year old girl that's been put in
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: this position. I'm not saying that it's it's not not
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: calling her a victim, but I'm saying that the adults
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: are the problem because you're creating people like this.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: Okay, okay, fair enough, But she's eighteen. Now she gets
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: to deal with people like me. Because I'm going to
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: have opinions.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Again, I'm not saying that we shouldn't look at I'm
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: not saying that we shouldn't treat her like an adult,
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: because she is legally an adult. I'm not saying that.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: I'm saying her ideas are not hers. That's her ideas
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: are not her own. She's not like if you made,
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: if you like, put held her feet to the fire
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: and you debated her, she would fall apart like a
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: Jenga tower. Okay, because no, seriously, because she doesn't agree.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: She doesn't have arguments. She doesn't even rationalize them. She
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: just says locker room talk, misogyny, sexism, Nick Fuentes and
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: your tail like checking on. That's like, that's what she
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: just She's just saying what she's supposed to say, and
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: they're giving her this platform. You see what I'm saying.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: This is what I said at the Calgary Expo when
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: I spoke to the women at the because this is
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: what I saw. It was a repetition of the same
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: talking point. It's just donning the bound ball gown of
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: victimhood and saw sharing or how appropriate she has a
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: ballground in the background. But yeah, I just saw shaning
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: around in the ball gown of curtain. No, I think
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: it's it's it's got some uh completing So I don't
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: think that's a curtain. Well maybe it is, who knows.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: All Right, all of this is what I'm saying, is
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: that we're not arguing with her, We're arguing with what
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: like this this thing that informed her, this thing that
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: told her what to say. Okay, okay, so anyway, so
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: we move on.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, men treat their girlfriends the way they talk about
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: them behind their backs, the way that young men socialize
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: with each other. It's not only something that is like
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: very political and politically focused for these young men, it's
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: also now social they're being socialized to not see.
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: Okay, why how is this different than it's ever been? Like,
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: feminism has accused men of our men and boys of
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: having masculine ideology for eternity? So what or since since
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: I don't know, probably the eighties that when they developed
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: that particular term. So how's it different? I mean, you
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: have always said that men are being inoculated in patriarchy. Specifically,
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: feminism has said that masculine eyes ideology is responsible for
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: men using rape and beatings to uphold patriarchy.
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: And they've been.
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: Saying this since the seventies at least. So how is
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: this different? How is this suddenly something that's happening when
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: it's always been happening. I mean, this is the thing
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: I have even notice that, like feminists every freaking five years,
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: this thing that's always been happening is happening.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, Well they have to fear monger around it, right yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: So they have to make it look like it's an
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: impending doom, and when it doesn't result in doom, they
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: just they just sort of bring it back later and
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: they said, no, no, this time, it's happening for real.
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: Like yeah, but here, like everything that Nick Twenties and
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: Andrew Tate say does actually does not even isn't even
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: in the same ballpark of what spart yeah, of what
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: feminists say that men teach each other in patriarchy. It's yeah,
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: but here's the thing, like the standard that feminists have
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: put on masculine ideology and how patriarchy allegedly socializes men,
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: except that it's like, and I actually talked to the
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: guy who's doing a criminology PhD last night and he said,
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: it's not just like this socialization that feminists say is
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: applied to men isn't just a one hundred percent penetration
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: across cultural, ethnic, religious, national racial boundaries. It is a
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: one hundred percent penetration across the what is it, the
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: genre or the genus mammalia, Like it's cross species. So
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: this cultural socialization that feminists allege is being applied to
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: men is cross species. It's not just men, it's across
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: as species lines. Didn't know that you just there, you
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: shared a culture with ducks, guys, You shared masculine ideology
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: with ducks. Did you know that? That's why it's so absurd.
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: But anyway, my overall point is that the what feminists
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: say patriarchy teaches men and is conveying to men through
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: this socialization that crosses species lines somehow, is that rape
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: and beatings is how you keep them women's under control.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: So that's that's where we're that's where the that's the
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: bar for what feminism says is being taught to men.
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: Now I have I haven't. I haven't listened to all
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: of what Andrew Tait has said or Nick fwenty's, but
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure if this is the bar for what
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: feminism says patriarchy teaches men, they're they're not anywhere near
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: it in terms of they're overt messaging. Okay, not no,
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: So wouldn't that be an improvement?
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: All right, So absolute cinema. So all right, let's let's
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: play some more because and then we're gonna move on
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: to the to an argument that they have with the man.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: We focused for these young men, it's also now social
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: They're being socialized to not see young women as as people.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: They're being socialized to dehumanize them, to see them as
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: arm candy as hoes, as thoughts, as something you mean.
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: Basically what feminism accused Patrio Karkiyov since the seventies, and worse, like,
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: all of these things are not actually dehumanizing because arm
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: candy is a human.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: Armed candy, arm candy.
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: Arm candy is arm candy.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: That's what she's saying. Arm candy. You know when you
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: have a one on your arm?
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, but that's still a human being unless.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: You're talking sure of course, no, no, of course.
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: An extremely extremely colorful parrot, you know, that could be
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: considered arm.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: There's a question though, Like they have girlfriends, so like
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: what those girlfriends do they hate being seen as arm candy?
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: Like if like if they if they say, oh they
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: see us as hose and thoughts, Well, I don't know,
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: are they Are they hose and thoughts? Like I thought
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: that that was something we're supposed to celebrate now yeah,
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, like what if they're doing I mean I
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: really don't know the context, but it sounds like you
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: are attacking hose Like we're not. We don't do slut
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: shaming in this house. I'm just saying, though, like you
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: know what, like, look, I did substitute teaching, and I'm
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: telling you, like, girls as young as twelve were sexually
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: active and they were looking at multiple boys all the time,
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: and they were on TikTok and snapchat and stuff, and
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: I had to take their phones away from them, and
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: so like, if you're eighteen, like, I'm sorry, but I
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: bet that the dynamic is very different. So what you're
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: what I'm guessing that you're saying is that women are
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: behaving however they behave, And I don't have an opinion
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: on that, but men who acknowledge the reality of the
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: way women are behaving are the problems. So if a
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: woman is being promiscuous and a man is saying, I'm
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: not into that, I think she's a thought. That's the
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: problem is is that he thinks that, not that she's
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: doing that.
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: Okay, And that actually would speak to the idea that
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: what's really the problem is men standing in judgment of women. Yeah,
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: that's the real problem is that I.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: Would a boy have any cause to call someone something
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: without like, for no reason at all if he's wrong,
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: unless it's just to fuck with her like they're friends
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: or whatever. Yeah, well, I mean maybe it's not hate.
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just it's just general kid bullying, which is
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: women do it. Our girls do it, and they do
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: a lot of it, and when they do it, it's
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: a lot more devastating. But we don't want to discuss that, right,
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: that's not we can't talk about that. So we're just
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: looking at this. And you're right that she these went
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: a lot of these girls are probably behaving in that way.
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: They're behaving like they want to be arm candy and
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: like they want to be thoughts and whores. And then
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: the boys are identifying the behavior. But boys cannot stand
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: in judgment of girls. That's misogyny. If boys have an
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: opinion on girl's behavior, that's misogyny. But of course girls
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: are free to have even ridiculously unsupported, bigoted opinions on
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: boys behavior or that they aren't even actually doing. Because
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure is this where she starts talking about
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: the sexual violence, because I really want to get into that,
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: because that I have actual statistics for everything else that
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: we're talking about is just vague feelies.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: That's not when that's not when she talks about that.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit later. Okay, I thought
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: you were gonna look it up. But here here's the
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: Ryan Grimm, and.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe because he's here to understand, Like if you said something,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: if you saw Ben Shapiro say something similar about Muslims,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: you would not say, Oh, he's just asking what structural
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: social forces are at work that have produced the problems that.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: So what he's trying to do is he's playing Devil's
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: advocate poorly. But he's basically like the way you guys
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: are talking about because remember these are all progressives this
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: whole panel. Okay, So he's saying the way you guys
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: are talking about men sounds like the way someone like
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: Ben Shapiro is a conservative Jew, talks about Muslims. Okay. Now,
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: of course I think that this woman, this girl, this
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: teenager is Muslim, which is why she's like a pro
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: Mamdani person. So he's trying to frame it in a
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: way that she will be able to see it, right, like, oh,
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: look the way that you, the way that islamophobes talk
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: about you, is how you're talking about men. That's what
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: he's doing.
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: So I'm just letting you know what the context is
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: and and let's see if it. Let's see if this works,
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: this tactic.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: He's identifying with Muslims in this post, you'd be like, no,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: he's being a bigot. If Matt Walsh was saying it
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: about black people or about immigrants, you wouldn't be like, well,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Matt Walsh just wants, you know, to us to look
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: at just the social constructs of our race relations here
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: in the United States so that we can like, you know,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: improve that I'm find policy solutions. And then he really
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: actually is, you know, has the best interests of this
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: group that he is maligning at heart. Nobody would think that.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: And so I'm now a place where I see Democrats
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: talking about men in general and young men in particular,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: and I think of them as like Ben Shapiro towards Muslims,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: like That's that's where I am at this point.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: Look at look at Look at Brionna Gray looking really like,
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: I can't believe you're doing this men as victims of bigotry,
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: Like you're trying to claim that I could be bigoted
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: to men whenever you're trying to do.
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: Yes, We'll never be able to address this problem until
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: we get rid of the narrative that men are uniquely
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: to blame for society and creating society for their own benefit.
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: We're never going to address this problem.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: For a child. But go ahead. I'm sorry.
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: I did find the time codes from when she discusses
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: sexual assault. Why don't we go through your time codes
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: and we'll get into that because I know that I
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: will probably go at length debunking all of the nonsense
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: that she'spews.
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right. Richard Beard gives us five dollars and says,
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: could we please have the Raven Moondragon response to this child? Okay,
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: he's he's just hooked on that character. I just okay,
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: whatever anyway, and she's laughing.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: That like a lot of people are feeling that, and
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: it's and it's a problem. I think everything else said
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: is correct, that the right wing takeover of the manisphere,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: the right wing socialization.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: It's not a right wing take Well look yeah, I know, Alison,
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: it's just men saying that's enough. This is the thing. Literally,
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: it's just men walking off the plantation.
• 58:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not even that.
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: Can I just can I just get this out before
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: it escapes my brain. They've literally said the problem is men,
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: Like that's literally what they've said on on this this
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: So the political tribal aside, the problem is men. Masculinity
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: is the problem. And then when men leave and are like, well,
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: I'm tired of being seen as the problem, they say,
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: that's our opponents and how dare you? Did you you
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: did that? Like literally, if a man just says, you know,
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: I think I'm okay and I want to exist, you
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: are part of the manosphere. You are part of the
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: far right, and you are part of the problem. And
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: you if you, if you, if you just exist as
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: a man, you're part of the problem. But if you're
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: quizzling about it, if you constantly submit to feminism, then
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: you can briefly feel moments of not being the problem.
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: But like literally, they declare men the problem, and then
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: they're surprised, Well, where do the men go? Why are
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: they over there? And it's not even that the men
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: are on the right, they're just not where they are. Yeah,
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: we've came men constantly. Why did they move over there
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: where we can't?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, that's why that's why I don't call it
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: the right. I called the non left. It's the non
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: the these people. But I think that, like, yeah, they
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: basically said we don't need you, you're useless. And they
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: did this until men said, Okay, we're gonna leave and
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: they were like, wait, you're not supposed to do that. So,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: like they didn't think that men were just going to
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: just leave, which is what I mean by like leaving
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: the plantation. Like they didn't think they were just going
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: to stop cow towing, stop obeying, stop uh self flagellating.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: They they didn't think that was gonna happen. They didn't
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: even They just took it for granted to that degree,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: while also claiming they were ready to that men would
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: do this at at like they were gonna be turn
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: on them and oppress them and kill them and rape
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: them and you know, force them into breeding houses or
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: whatever sick fantasies they have. And when men said basically
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: what Carl said to Jess Phillips, I wouldn't even rape
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: you and then left, they're all butt hurt now. So yeah, anyway,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: but look important to note that this is a political podcast,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: so they are talking in a political framework, which is
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: probably part of the reason why they can't solve this problem. Yeah,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: because they're like the entire the entire beast that they
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: live in from the ground up is anti male. It's
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: just by nature. And this guy he hasn't realized it yet,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: but he's like, we have to fix this, not because
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: of men's for men's sake, not because men are committing suicide,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: not because nobody's getting married, but because I want the
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: men voting too for us. So how do I get
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: them voting for us? Which is the same mistake. You
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: just can't get out of it. You are trapped. You're
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: stuck because you can't solve the problem unless you fundamentally
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: alter like the where you guys are at with.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Stuff causing huge problems for them and for their potential
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: now like unlikely partners and they're going to be miserable too.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Like I think it's this, it's all bad. But then
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: the question is what do you do about it? And
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: to figure out what you do about it, you also
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: have to look at what happened over the last decade
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: or so. You know this this is funny.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: He's literally in the party of we hate with men,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: Like literally in the party we hate men. He's like,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: this is a problem that you hate men, And they're like, Nope,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: this is the solution. Yeah, what are you talking about?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: I want to this is this is where it gets
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: good because uh, he's trying to.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: I said, face on that.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, look look at them both. I sense the fear
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: in this guy. He's like a chicken trying to make
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: a deal with Coyotes's guys or foxes. Okay, check it out.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: I know you're hungry, but hear me out. Guys, it's
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: pretty good once you get used to it. No, but
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: all right, let's let's listen to this.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: Maybe you could take a thigh instead of the entire
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: entire me.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right, how about just a foot?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: You know, engineered an organized campaign on the part of
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: the right to organize, to organize men into these reactionary
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: spaces and to take over spaces that were a political sports, gambling, supplements, weight.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: They didn't take over this what that? Yeah, it's funny
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: too because they think that, well, they can't believe that
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: they could have caused this, So it must be that
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: our opponents did something, and the opponents literally did nothing.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: They still they're they're doing the same thing they've always done,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: and it just so happens that men are like, well,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: at least these people don't hate us. We can we
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: can stand in a room with them. We don't even
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: like them very much, but we don't hate them either.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: And they're like, why don't you hate those people? You
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: must be one of them. Yeah, yeah, But.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: Literally, these are just things that interest men. And because
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: this is the party of I hate men, things that
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: interest men are potential vectors of evil into the world.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: Look at the women.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: Just good lord, they're happy with this.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of grinding us teeth going on in
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: this pen.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: How dare and politicize them to the right, Like, so
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: they effectively did that.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: And then no, no, no, okay, but you got the
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: entire thing wrong. Dude. You're saying, oh, the right took
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: over supplements. No, no, the right did not take over supplements.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: What happened is, for whatever reason, the left, the political
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: tribal is how call them, the political tribalists, have embraced
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: this narrative that human beings are actually the cattle of
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: the government. For whatever reason. Women like that narrative a lot,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: possibly because they're more interested in controlling their neighbors than
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: being free. Right, And one of the things that the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: government doesn't like is supplements, is people actually keeping themselves
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: healthy in ways that they can't make money off of.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's my theory. But also, like all of
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: these other things were just men things that men liked,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: and because they were things that men liked, the Party
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: of Men are the problem that I Hate Men problem.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: A party basically said these things are wrong and completely
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: and like right didn't take those over, you evicted them.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: This is what's freaking hilarious. It's like, this is like
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: a like a I don't know, a train full of
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: lunatics and they keep just unhitching a car and then
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: it rolls away from them, and they're like, why is
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: the right taking that? It's like, yeah, you just got
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: rid of it. You're just throwing these things out. You're
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: refusing to acknowledge that they're legitimate because men like them,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: and the end, because they're no longer acceptable to you
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: and you've pushed them out. Now you call them the right.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: That's the entirety of their political behavior is something something
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: men like. So they they're like, no, this is unacceptable
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: because men like it, so we have to either control
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: it or destroy it or do something shame it. And
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: it's not part of us, right because we're the I
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: Hate Men party, So you push it out and then
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: it's outside of you and you call it the right.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: M hm, oh yeah, you guys, just like why is
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: this happening.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: Because you.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: Or he's trying to Like, I think that he's doing
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: it because he wants men in in under this umbrella,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: you know, voting for them because they want to be effective.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: But I also think that because look, he's got a
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: book in the background that's called The Squad. It's like
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: literally the AOC book. So he's obviously like a fan
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: of that. But I think he's also trying to be
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: pragmatic in saying, look, we need men on our side.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: And maybe if I frame this as the writer taking
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: our men away, how do we get them back, maybe
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: I'll get like somewhere with that. But of course the
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: women are like, why are they leaving us? They're not
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: supposed to do that. They must be bad.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: You don't have to get them back. They have to
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: come back.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: So they have to come back, because that would make
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: otherwise they're bad people.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we need to come back so we can kick
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: them out again. Yeah, and then and then when they can,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: when we kick them out, we'll call them far right.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: This is this is the part. This is the logic
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: of the Party of single Women. They kicked out men,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: and because they kicked out men, men are now on
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: the right, yep, okay.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, trying to politicize them and pull them in their direction. Well,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: they had an entire political movement that you may be
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: familiar with that was organized around all of us coming
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: together and making the world a better place. And young
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: men were a central part of the Bernie Sanders campaign
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen, and Democrats decided very explicitly, strategically,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: and deliberately to make the fact of young men's support
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: for Bernie Sanders a problem for Bernie Sanders.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: I remember coloring this. Yeah, yeah, this is pretty much it.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: This is ground zero for this the Party of I
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: Hate men. Yeah, kicking men out, that kicking actual like
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: I know that socialism is it doesn't work, It profoundly
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: doesn't work. But you could consider it something like some
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: kind of principle. And they kicked them out because those
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: men were holding to a principle instead of just realizing
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: that they were there to submit to women.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, let me see if I can find
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: where they start arguing a little bit more. Let's see. So, yeah,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: because he goes into like Bernie Sanders and then like
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton. I don't really care about that stuff. Let's see,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: don't see. Look at how angry these toxic men. I'm
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: reading some of the transcript. Then in twenty twenty, it's
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: still up for grabs, and Joe Rogan, even with Barry
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: White's on his podcast, says he's gonna vote for Bernie
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: Sanders because of all the things that Sanders says he's
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: gonna do. Yeah, Joe Rogan did say that, oh wow,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: build now an actual working class coalition and drive Trump
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: out of the White House and actually deliver an agenda
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: that works for everybody. Blah blah blah blah blah. So
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: now Democrats are like, what happened to young men? Okay,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: so fifteen oh six, Well.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: Didn't they say something about Joe Rogan being we need
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: the left Joe Rogan? It was like, yeah, he was
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: theft left.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: Rogan was the Joe Rogan of the left. Well, he's
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: always been kind of a centrist, like because he's like
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: pro guns and yet and if he has a good
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: interview with someone, he'll he'll just like, you know, advocate
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: for them to be president. But yeah, he's like not
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: easy to pin down in terms of what he believes.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: But he was the closest thing to that, yes, and
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: they excluded him.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then and then they pushed him out, and
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: then they said he's on the right. You see what
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: I'm saying.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. Yeah.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: Basically, all the right and the left is is our
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: Are they part of the tribe and are they not?
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: That's it. And they're constantly pushing people out of the tribe.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: So it looks like the right is consuming the world
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: to them, but it really is just a function of
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: them constantly pushing people out of the tribe. This is, honestly,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: this is what happens when unchecked femininity hits politics. Yeah,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: for surely on account about nobody feminine politics.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 7: Okay against Democrats And so now Democrats are like, what
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 7: what happened to young men?
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: Why don't why don't they like us? So both things happened.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: There was a push and a pull, and I can't
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: do anything about I can't. The right wing is going
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: to do what the right wing is going to do.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the right wing isn't actually as male focused as
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: you think it is. But regardless, I mean, honestly, if
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: if you push out everyone who every thing that men like,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: anyone who has a relationship with a man, because now
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: if you're married to a man or even in a
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 5: long term relationship, you are a far right. Marriage is
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: far right. Maybe if you even have sex with the
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: man at this point, you're far right right. So if
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: you if you push out everything that even you know
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: vaguely touches or has a whiff of the man, then yeah,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: it's again, the right is not pushing. The right is
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: not pulling these you are pushing them out. M hmm, okay,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: all right.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: We can counter their ideas, we can argue with them.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: We can try to present and model like better, better
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: behavior and model model of life that that will be
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: more fulfilling rooted around kind of community and dignity and justice.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: But that's all I notice. But like, no man me
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: of things that men want, like family and children, because
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: he can't say that. He can't say that because if
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: he says that, then he sounds far right, and he's
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: saying it around these women who are like, well are
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: you what are you saying? Women are just vehicles for babies?
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: So he has to say things like community and uh
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: on justice, Yeah, yeah, justice, that's right.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: All we can do. But on the democratic side, what
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: you can do is stop the reflexive bigotry towards towards men.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: It's not making fun of the idea that it's okay, Okay,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: they can't.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: Dude, you're about to respond, Yeah.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: Okay, the foxes are going to explain to the chicken
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: why they can't stop eating chickens.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: Yes, talk about it.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Half of the country in that.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: Way, idea, because I, like, I think you're referring. You
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: are essentially implying that high school boys or protected class,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: and I cannot, under any regard see them in that
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: way because I and my peers have faced an intense
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: amount of sexual harassment, sexual violence. Okay, this subgroup of people, and.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, do you want me to let us talk to
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: more before you jump in on that. I don't think
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: he's going to use any stats. He's just gonna say
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: it happened like she's just a certain thing.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 8: Oh god, I'm gonna telling Okay, it's to imply that
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 8: calling this group out, this group of young men out for.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: Their bigotry is in itself.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: But she's really going for the bug ride filter.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: Isn't she a little reprehensible to me?
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: Okay, so no, you are full of shit. Of course,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 5: nobody talks about these stats but millennial women, which I
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 5: think you are one of, or actually no, said yeah,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 5: this is probably worse for Generation Z. But millennial women
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: and generational Z are two to three times more likely
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: to use weapons to rape than the men of their
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: generation or any previous generation. And I use that particular
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: stat because people are like, well, all the you know
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 5: in coercion and blah blah blah. Okay, well it's pretty
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: black and white once you draw a weapon on someone
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: and force them to have sex with you, and that's
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: what your generation of women is doing at phenomenal rates.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: I don't know when we're going to start to give
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 5: a shit about it. When the number of women that
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: use weapons to rape is like twenty five percent of
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: all women thirty five forty five, ninety five, when do
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: we start to care Anyway, The trajectory is upward, so no,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: you are not going to have the right to condemn
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: boys for something you girls are doing more of. Right,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: And then the other thing that's really horrifying is that
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 5: attitudes towards male victims of sexual assault, particularly by women,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: are getting worse in her demographic. So not only is
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: she more likely to rape someone at knife point than
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: a boy, a young man of the same age, she's
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: more likely to laugh about it and think he deserved
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: it than previous generations of women. So as this generation
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: gets worse, women in this generation get more sexually predatory,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 5: more sexually exploitative, they excuse their behavior even more, and
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: feminism enables all of it by pretending that the real
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: problem is men doing this to women. Meanwhile, the rates
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: of women raping men are skyrocketing. It is this is
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 5: this is this is reprice she talks about. Oh, you know,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: talking about the bigotry towards men is reprehensible when they
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: when they're the ones. This is reprehensible because it is
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: an aspect of bigotry towards young men who can constantly
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 5: insist they are the ones doing the majority of the
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: raping when we can't at the very the most honest thing,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: and actually honestly, this isn't. I mean, if you want
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: to be really lily literally livered and cowardly about it,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: we could say we don't know, but we certainly can't
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: say what she's saying, which is that young men deserve
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: a label of sexually being sexually violent predators. And because
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 5: there is a minority of young men who engage in
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: this behavior, which is smaller than the minority of young
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: men or young women who engage in this behavior, but
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: because they exist, all young men deserve to be subject
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: to crass bigotry that we wouldn't tolerate against any other
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: group of people. What she is saying, and yes, I
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: know other people are putting the words in her mouth,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: but she there. The mouth that they're coming out of
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: is hers. What she is saying is morally bankrupt. Everything
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 5: she says is morally bankrupt. This entire landscape, this entire
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: political side. This the Party of single Women, the Party
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 5: of I Hate men, the Party of we Blame men,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: or the Party of Men have constructed society for their
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: own benefit at the expensive women, and the tools that
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: they use to do so was rape and beatings. That
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 5: party absolute moral degeneracy. I don't degenerasy might be the
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: wrong world. Absolute moral catastrophe. These people represent absolute moral
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: catastrophelute moral catastrophe for our entire freaking culture. That they
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: are allowed to continue to assert this vicious nonsense against
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: half the human race. And then and uh shock, that's
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: the half that's actually keeping them in light and heating
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 5: and internet.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so she said, calling calling a group waituh, calling
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: a group of young men out for their bigotry is
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: in itself that calling that bigotry. So when she says,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: when you call me out as a bigot, you're being
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: like because I'm calling men bigots, that's actually reprehensible. So
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: that's what she said before I paused it.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Why not why not call out the behavior like? There
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: is no other group in which you would call out
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: a group for the behavior of some like we have. Yeah, yes,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: good luck building.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: A it's not but.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: You can have it. Like you get you guys are done.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: You're not fixing this. You're not fixing I'm sorry. You know,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: you're not Ryan Grim, You're You're cooked. Bro, You're not
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: fixing this. These women will never allow it.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: We have built a coalition based on expressing. You know.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: But there is a problem with let's let's okay, stop
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: this for a second. There is a problem with the
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: not left. And the problem with the not left is
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: they don't like the effect of this crap, but they
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 5: aren't ready yet to embrace the solution, which is to
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: blame the ever living fuck out of women.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: Sure, I blame you for the ship coming out of
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: your mouth, lady, I blame you for increasing the problem.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: I blame you for perpetuating a hateful, bigoted narrative about men,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: and you deserve to be blamed for it, and women
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: like you deserve to be blamed for that and for
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 5: the effects of that. You are contributing to this monstrosity. Okay,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: let's let's brush off. Sorry, this is really raising my
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: blood pressure.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's It was annoying me too.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: I've got a freaking migraine.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: Now, a broad phenomenon here that all white people might
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: not participate in.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wit, just did
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: we just jump to white people?
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: She's using it as an example to say, to talk about,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: to compare, because look, Allison, the truth is she's a
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: black woman. So she's got a cash in on two things. Right,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: she has a cash in on being a woman and
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: I'm being black. That's how this works. This is this
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: is what this is her hand she's got, she's got
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: two pair, she's gonna play them. Okay, Okay, let's go backward.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: It can't run from this, because that's what these people do.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: If she was gay a kind. So what I'm saying
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: is she's going to use this, but it is to
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: sort of pivot back to the male female thing. We
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: have to let this play out.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: Okay, but for some reason, mister sec I one percent
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: understand what you're saying, Brian, and I just want everybody
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: to notice how she's using this to buttress. Why not
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: just talk about the male female thing. No, she pivots
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: to white and black right, because it's buttressing the inability
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: to really argue the male and female thing. I just
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: wanted you to go back a little bit because I
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: want before she begans I did.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: I went back a little bit.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to. I want everybody to watch what
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: these people look like.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: Okay, let me just go right here.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: It's not every single white person, but we're talking about it.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: No, you did move forward a little bit, So go
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: back another thirty seconds about one.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: Or ten in context, it's the one pops up and says, well,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: it's still jump.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: This is this is before the because it's later. Just
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: let it. Just let it play.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 6: Derailing tactic.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: Everything she's saying, it's a direct. It's a derailing tactic
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: to bring up railing, to bring up men. And she's
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: compared she's using the not all white people thing as
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: a proxy or another example of how saying what about
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: the men is derailing.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 5: No, but what I want you to do, if you're
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: okay with this is I want you to go back
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 5: to when he was talking because I want to see,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: like when he was speaking about this, watch their watch
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: their reactions.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: All right, but it's not.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: But we have built a coalition based on expressing, you know,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: like calling out the behavior of white people, of of men,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: based on their implicit bias, based on structure.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: You don't have implicit bias. Men do not have implicit
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 5: women have implicit bias.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 6: Yes, this is just an all right lie.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 5: And look at her grinning up. There some serious dupers.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: To like going on working. It's working, that's what she's saying.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: Successful, it's just what.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, let's well, well, right, I think Ella is right.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 6: I think that part of what caused me to break.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 5: Wait wait, so it's working all right, men are leaving,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 5: but it's working. So what is making men leave the point?
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: Because that's what's working here, lady, Well, we're here to
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: talk about why men are leaving the Democratic Party. And
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: he's like, well, because you're hateful towards men. And she's like,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: but We've built plenty of coalitions with men engaging in
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: hatred towards men, and but why are men leaving then?
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, well that's the thing. To her, The coalition
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: is just about like maintaining purity. Yeah, and the purity
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: which is a never ending journey, by the way. And
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: so when she sees that that her coalition is calling
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: men and white people out or whatever, you know, all
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: of the groups that you're supposed to call out. I
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: guess she sees that it's working, even though the obvious
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: consequence of that is that they're losing people.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 5: It's an ending search for coziness, like ideological craziness. That's
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: what this is. Okay.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: Dean Domino gave us a super chat for nine nine nine.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Dean Domino, and he said, not trying to
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: be a doomer, but not sure how we get out
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: of the blaming men loop. Argument always ends with men.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: Let feminism happen, they enforce it since women are weaker,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: therefore blame men. Wow, we blame women. Yeah, that's it,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: and we and we we do it ruthlessly, that's what
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: we do.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: Like you just have to do that, say.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: You're adults, right, like patriarchy. What uh men, let feminism happen?
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: Like no, feminism was, yes, women, women allowed it, they
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: went for it, they used it, they benefited from it.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, that's that's the deflection on the other
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: side for we don't want to bame blame women. Yeah
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 5: you do that because you're a coward. You say, oh,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: but men are responsible. No, because you just don't want
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: to blame women. And honestly, you're you're telling you're asking, well,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 5: how do we solve the problem of crawling? Get up
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: and walk? That's how you solve it. You get up
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: and you walk. And I don't know, like, I don't
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: know how to get the Maybe it's not clear to
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: me how to get the rest of the world to
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 5: get up and walk and just be okay with blaming
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: women as much as as they are okay with blaming men.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 5: But I do know one thing. You have to do
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: something different in order to create any sort of change.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: So that's what I'm doing.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, okay, anyway, I don't think we need
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: this time code anymore because yeah, they draws the same analogy, like,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: you know, not all men is like saying not all
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: white people or whatever. So we'll go to let's see, uh,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: the criminal criminal justice reform analogy. So it's like right here.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: Actually, and as you know, I've spent a lot of
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: my career covering uh criminal justice system and criminal justice reform. Yeah,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: the speech that you just gave could have been delivered
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: by a uh, what would you call it, anti criminal
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: justice reform person.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: You know, you could be delivered for i'll buy a
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: bigot against any other group. So essentially what you did,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: as you mentioned, well, you're blaming men for the for
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: the behavior of a criminal minority. And of course that
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: is the behavior of any of any big towards any group.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: They identify some subset of that group that does something
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: that they don't like, and they say the entire group
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: is responsible for it. That's what feminism does to men.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 5: She pivoted to white people, although I'm not exactly sure
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: what exactly specifically white people are doing to black people
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 5: because we're not talking about crime. Yeah, so she she
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: uses that to be like, oh, well, white people are
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: all responsible for privilege, white privilege, so men are all
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: responsible for male privilege. That's why we are going to
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: smear them with the same brush as criminals, which we
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: go back.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: A little bit for some backup concepts, because there was
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: something that they the speech that he's saying that he
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: refers to is here.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 6: I think this is like I.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: Saw stunfellowers of this tweet and in response to this
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: controversy where people said, like, why was this statistic? Why
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: was one group one gender liking marriage more than the
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: other gender not a quote unquote crisis. And when it
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: was women wanting marriage more than men, it was because we.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 5: Were constantly gone on men's cases being shallow for liking,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: from wanting, not wanting marriage as much as women. You
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 5: didn't notice that, I see you recall that in fact,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 5: that was a big argument for men's objectification of women.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: Thing we've always shamed, Yeah, men for not getting married.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: Well during the Great Depression, that you actively discriminated against
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: bachelors who didn't have a wife for jobs, and that's
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: been consistent throughout all of human history. Yes, there's been
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: significant discrimination against bachelors, and it's worse than the discrimination
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: against spinsters, because bachelors, you know, being a bachelor could
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: get you killed because people would exclude you from the
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: ability to maintain yourself financially because you didn't have a wife,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: especially in difficult times. But a spinster was expected to
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: be taken care of by her family. Right, So yes,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: the stigma this bachelorhood has always been high and extremely aggressive.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: It's just we've never pointed it out because we don't
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: see men in terms of being victims of social pressures.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: All right, Right, there's another genre that says. Look, for years,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: it has been a meme. It has been a trope
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: of television that marriage sucks. Women are ball and chaining
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: or whatever for a man.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: Every sing here's me referencing pop culture things. This is
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: real life.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: Tom has some you know, a man rolling his eyes
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: at his wife because she asks them to take on
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: some childcare responsibility or yeah, that's.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: Insulting the man.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's insulting the man.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: It's literally what feminists say men do. And then they
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: depict what feminist may men do. And she's like, I
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: can't believe that they do that.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: It's almost like the entertainment industry is on your side
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: and they're just affirming this stuff with their content. Yeah,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: like they're literally not something that men generally like.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: And now you're mad that women don't want to be
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: continue to be victims and are asserting themselves.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: How is the victims of what marriage?
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: They're they're they're there. She's saying that victims of of yeah,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: I guess of marriage, yeah thirty one. I mean I'll
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: just read it.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 5: Money because I'm pro.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And now you're mad that women don't want to be,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: don't want to be continue to be victims and are
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: asserting themselves. How is this not how it's taken the how?
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: How is this not akin to asking the victim of
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: an assault, or a victim of racism, or victim of
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: all the social social asymmetries that we know to suddenly
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: subordinate their own fight for equality and desire to escape victim. Well,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: I'll play the rest.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: Of the victim of an assault, or a victim of racism,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: or a victim of all of the social asymmetries that
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: we know to suddenly subordinate their own fight for equality
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: and desire to escape victim.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 5: Literally, marriage is victimhood for women, like it is victimizing women.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: Guys.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: There's no recovery. There's no recovery. That she's saying that
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: women fought for anything, that that men didn't give them,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: just the idea that they were like we fought for this,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: did you though you And the men said.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, like men always do, like literally like men.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: Always do, Like did you fight them or did you
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: just complain and whine? And the men were like, okay, fine.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's clearly like the history, like this is
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 5: not unusual, and yes, you're right and within their own
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 5: framework because they proposed that men use rape and domestic violence.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 5: And I asked perplexity, okay, and I do ask ai.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: I said, if feminist framework was true that men use
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: rape and domestic violence, and don't affirm me, keep your
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: answer neutral, don't just be sick authentic. Would feminism have
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: ever worked if men use rape and domess criminal actions
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: and violence to suppress women, No, it wouldn't. So if
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 5: you actually agree with their framework, their result is would
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: never have ask for the probability and it's like less
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 5: almost zero, the probability that a society in which men
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 5: genuinely used violence, you know, consciously, freely and with intent
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: to subordinate women use rape and domest there would never be.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: They would never concede, They wouldn't feel the need to
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 5: concede to women at all. And no, the history of
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 5: the civil rights movement is not a counter example to that,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 5: because black people didn't appeal to the white people that
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: were oppressing them. They appealed to the white people with
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 5: a completely different culture of the north, with a completely
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 5: different economic model. Right, That's how it worked. No one
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: in the history of humanity is appealed directly to their
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: oppressors for succor for to get rid of their oppression.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: That doesn't happen. Okay, So it's an absolutely ridiculous framework,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 5: and you're absolutely righte Brian. There is no way within
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: the feminist framework of reality that feminism would have worked
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 5: that men would actually give all of this stuff to women.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 5: If they were, why wouldn't they just beat and rape
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: women into submission? Why would they give them the vote? Like,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 5: why wouldn't they just use their tools to continue to
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 5: silence women. They didn't do that, not in any great
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: numbers like that you would require in order to uphold
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: a say that society is held by these activities. Right,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: So it's completely like it. It didn't. It is a
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: it is a its own self its own counter argument.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 5: But then the other thing is that human society, if
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: you actually look at it, the way it works is
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 5: men innovate something, they take the risks to stabilize it
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 5: until the point where this new phenomenon is credit universities.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: I don't know, trade routes like and like the templars
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: making pilgrimage routes. Safe men building the system to create credit. Uh,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 5: men building universities. Right, men call it our men settling
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: the West. They go out there, they take the risks,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: they make it so whatever the situationbody who actually engages
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 5: in that system space travel, anybody who wants to be
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 5: part of it is now going to get more benefit
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: than they risk. And then women are onboarded the end.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: That's the way society, human society has worked for eons.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: That's how it works, that how, that's how it do.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 5: And that's exactly what happened with feminism or with what
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: feminism's demands or women's demands in the twentieth century. Right,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: men stabilized everything. Men's stabilized. You notice that women asked
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: for the vote once. Generally asking for a vote didn't
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: get you your head lopped off.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, that took a freaking long time.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: There were a lot of uprisings during the seventeenth and
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: eighteenth century in which you you know, peasants would ask
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 5: for the vote and then they'd all be slaughtered. Women
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: weren't a part of that. They waited until it was
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: all a bureaucratic matter rather than a head lopping off matter,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 5: and then they were onboarded. That's the way it's worked
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 5: throughout all of human history. And feminists want to appropriate
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 5: that and pretend that they did it. They did not.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, let's listen to the we're going to
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: get to the criminal justice reform argument that happens.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 6: And supplement that to their attacker. They're the person who
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 6: victimized them emotional needs.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: And as you know, I've spent a lot of my
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: career covering criminal justice system and criminal justice reform. Yeah,
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: the speech that you just gave could have been delivered
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: by a what would you call it anti criminal justice
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: reform person verbat asking you're asking the victims of crime
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: to sub you gave just to like subsume themselves to
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: the broader you're talking about these too.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got cap.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 6: Yes, you can do the root causes of crimes.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 4: I don't ask.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: What.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 5: Let him speak, Shut up, woman, let him speak.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: People talking about the root causes of crime.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 5: Yes, we could talk about all of that without asking
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: the victim.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: The number one argument that I'm.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: Not asking a victim of crime to say their rapist
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be punished.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 6: That's not the that's the point of criminal justice reform.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: The point is not to say that there shouldn't be
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: accountability to talk about what.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: But Ryan, well, we're I think what we're I don't
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: speak for you, Ella, but it feels like we're we're
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: just skipping over the.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 6: Account you know what it is?
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 5: Can I just summarize this. They want to hate men,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 5: they want to hate on men, They want to blame men,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: and that's it. And he doesn't want them to do
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 5: that because he sees that as pushing men away from
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: the set of political ideals that he thinks that this
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: mess of tribalism still has.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: Yes, And he's trying to like he's trying to draw,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: he's trying to make a trying to put it in
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: in a way that she can see it. So he's
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: talking about criminal justice reform and he and he's basically saying,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: you are treating men in the same way that you know,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: our oppressive police state, whatever he would describe it, treats,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: you know, criminals, and it's He doesn't think it's fair
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: because a lot of criminals are you know, they don't
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: maybe they don't need jail time, maybe they need you know,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: other things, community service, psych uh you know, psychological help
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: or whatever we should. He's one of these guys that
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: would advocate to send social workers to the subway to
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 4: deal with a psycho with a knife. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: He's that kind of guy, And he's just putting it
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 4: in that framework so that she can see that. She
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: can see what she's doing, but she can't see it
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 4: because she's criminal. She immediately goes to male rapists and
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: like victim blaming, but like in the in how women
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: are affected by that, you know? Uh is she?
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 5: So he's basically saying that, well, well, what they're doing
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 5: is they're using the existence of male criminals to justify
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 5: harming other men.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: Yes, okay, all right, anyway, that's what does it look like?
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 6: What does it look like? At what point?
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: How should young boys like the ones that Ella was
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: went to school with be held accountable?
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 5: There is no there are held accountable for their own actions.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 5: What the hell are you talking about?
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: She's saying, there's no accountability. This Ella person down here.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 5: Shit, yeah, absolutely freaking bullshit. There's no accountability. There's no
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 5: accountability for you as a young woman and your sexual violence.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 5: But they're sure as hell accountability for young men. It's
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: right there in the arrest and conviction statistics. What do
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 5: you think those look like? Honestly, if these statistics, and
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: if these statistics are bearing out, if women engage in
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: sexual assault at the same rate as men, and there
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 5: are substantial research, now the most credible research, suggesting they do,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: then the rest and conviction statistics show a very stark story. Men,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 5: young men, old men are held accountable, but women aren't.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: And don't give me this crap like your educational institutions
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: also don't hold these men accountable. That's not what she's
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 5: talking about. That's not the accountability she wants. She wants
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 5: the fact that there exist young men follow like you know,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 5: they're not the largest percentage, because her group is the
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 5: largest percentage of violent rapists, but there exists some young
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 5: men who engage in them, and she wants the existence
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: of them to justify group punishment of all young men.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 5: That is actually that's what she considers men taking responsibility.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 5: These people are sick.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 5: And if you speak out against that, you are a misogynist.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: All right, let's listen to some more. We're almost at
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 4: the end of this time.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 5: Code burning hatreds zero burning hatred.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 9: This is are Yeah, Like, at what point how she
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 9: young boys like the ones that Ella was went to
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 9: school with be held accountable.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: There is no social accountability for Yeah, there's no there
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: is zero social accountabit.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 5: What a social accountability mean? No, he's not. He's misunderstanding
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: what she's saying. She's saying there's zero social What the
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 5: hell does social accountability means? Means?
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: He wants themship group punished?
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 5: Well, it doesn't matter what kind of some.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: Kind of like way to ostracize, isolate, sensor, shut down,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: you know, cancel. That's what That's what it is. I mean,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: that's what she's calling for. And I'm not like taking
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: out of context like she says it. And this guy
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: is like, well, I don't think that's the answer, because
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: you know, he's a man. So he's still like, no,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: that's not a good idea. I don't like that. But
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: the women are like, no, let's do it. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: collective punishment exactly.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: That are showing what is acceptable and strong and good behavior,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: and that they are outside.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: That's not accountability, that's not accountability. Still, there are so
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: many accountability role models for young men. I mean, like,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: it's not a question of, oh, should there be more
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: role models, it's the question of, oh, like, this is
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: a social problem among young men where they can.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 6: Okay, So that's literally this bitch.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 5: Sorry, I don't care. She's talking somebody else's talk. She's
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: part of the problem. She's going to take responsibility for this.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: She is saying that because there exists a small minority
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 5: of young men who engage in sexual violence of any
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: sort or sexual bullying, of course we're just going to
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 5: ignore the fact that there's a much larger proportion of
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 5: women in her age who do that. Not just ignore that,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 5: but because there exists this small proportion, men should be
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: subject to social accountability, which is collective blame and punishment.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 5: This woman, she is the face of fascism. Well, no,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 5: not fascism, because fascism is government and corporate collusion. She
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 5: is the face of every genocider in human history, the
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 5: beginning of it. Yeah, collective punishment.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: Oh for sure, because it's just not that important to
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: them to empathize with women that the fuck does.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 5: Not even fucking mean.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 4: The more of this I do, the less I empathize.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: Not gonna lie. The tank is low, the tank is
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 4: very low. Just have like you guys and my wife,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: and I think that's basically it.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe some of the women at your church, I
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: would imagine.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the people at my church are fine because they're
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: they seem like human, human females.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 5: What the fuck collective blame? All right, So when we're
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: doing the collective social responsibility they have to take, they
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: are socially responsible for the criminal minority, and they don't
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: empathize with women. You are forcing them to take responsibility
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: for something they've never done, and that that is going
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 5: to be emphasizing with you. Okay, you guys are cooked. Unbelievable.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: I don't know, Like I know, there are still men
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 5: who vote single men who still vote Democrat.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: But yeah, but they're usually doing it because they're they
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 4: think it's gonna benefit the women in their life. I mean,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 4: I think that's why they do it, like they think
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 4: it makes them good men. Yes, they will do that
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 4: from a from a position that they see as logical,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: but I think that they're getting they're they're all getting
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 4: pushed out at some point because that's just where this goes.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: It's a it's a purity spiral that that doesn't have
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 4: it has an ending, but it's you know, it's not
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 4: going to be pretty.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 5: So watch TV says, just because some men engage in
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 5: violent behavior doesn't mean that all men do. Every guy
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 5: time a guy points out bad behavior on a woman
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 5: and women is like, but not all women. Yeah, I
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 5: mean you should probably say yeah, maybe not all women,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 5: but all women get away with it.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 6: There you go, all right, all right, next.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: Time, code it's not the responsibility and go ahead and
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: say whatever you want. I'm just saying, if you want
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: to end this, if you want to fix this, you
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: want to change it, like at least be open to
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: the possibility of it, and don't mock the idea that
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: boys and men's feelings like matter.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest, Well, what are you kidding.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: Let's let's let's wait, let's listen. Try not to react.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 6: Okay, sorry, no.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, And a lot of my peers do mock
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: the idea of male loneliness. At the end of the day, Well,
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: we know that.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: We hear it all the time. We hear it from
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: you all the time.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: You know what we hear more So, it's difficult to
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: take the idea of male loneliness seriously when I know
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: what's driving the misogyny epidemic isn't male loneliness. It's misogyny.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: It's the pre existing.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 5: Was that argument, So I don't have to care about
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 5: I don't have to care about women's emotions because of
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 5: misogyny because they're mad at me, because they're mad at you. Well,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 5: they're justified in being mad at you.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, let's let's okay, let's keep going.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: I mean the social constructs.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: Men are socialized from birth to hate women.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 5: Okay, get here, here's here's the epicenter. Epicenter. He's like,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 5: this is a social construct, bitch. Don't you get why
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 5: they're the way that they're using this. They're not using
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 5: it as a social there's they're hand waving it because
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 5: social construct means you don't you know, actually call it
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 5: out as the bigotry it is. They they're using this
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 5: as a bio essentialist label. How do you get rid
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 5: of your masculine ideology? The answer is you can't. You
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: can only ever constantly submit to feminists. It is it
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 5: is a biolabel like that that that is what they're doing.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 5: They're saying that you're born criminal is a man mm hmm,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 5: And you're like, oh, but what it's socialized right, Well,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: they're going to demonstrate to you. Okay, She's like, there
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 5: has to be a way out of it. There's there's
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 5: a way, like we can.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: This guy is starting from the premise too, that this
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: that that men are becoming radicalized and that women like
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: these people are not helping, but they're like part of
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 4: that problem. I don't think men are becoming radicalized. I
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 4: just think that he sees it that way because he's
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 4: in the party of hating men and everything manly or
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: masculine is bad. But he is at least saying, you know,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 4: I think we're making this worse, and these women are
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: like impossible, we couldn't possibly do that.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 5: Well, that would be blaming women.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: Are not me women. That's like, you can't do that.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 5: It's literally, actually, wait just a second of time. That
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 5: is the problem, isn't it, Because if men are leaving
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 5: this party, you have to literally say this is a
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: bad thing. And of course who is to blame the
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 5: behavior of the women and the party and the men
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 5: who just sycophant to them. Right, they're just they're they're
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 5: just engaging sycophancy. So, but the framework that we need
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 5: to appeal to men by stopping by doing anything that
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 5: is absolutely outside of their moral understanding, because it requires
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 5: actually recognizing how things affect men, even in a purely
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 5: instrumental way, like I don't want to do this because
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 5: it's going to cause us to lose. They don't want
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 5: to do that. I don't even know if they're capable
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 5: of it. These two people do not understand that men
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 5: have feelings. Yeah, they have too many ways of dismissing
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 5: that fact to understand that men have feelings and that
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 5: those feelings should dictate their actions occasionally. Right that, you know,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 5: the lady down here shouldn't rape man at gunpoint because
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: that'll make him feel bad. No, she can't recognize that.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 5: She can't even recognize the possibility of it, right, because
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 5: that would be to recognize that things happen to men.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 5: Those things can sometimes cause negative things to happen to men,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 5: and you are responsible for those negative things in certain circumstances.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 5: If you're just insulting a dude. You know, that's maybe
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 5: a bit more his problem. But if you're raping him
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 5: a night point, that's a you problem, right, And if
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 5: you are presenting this demonizing narrative of group blame, that
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: is also a you problem. So to even conceive of
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: what this man is saying, they have to accept that
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: women can be blamed and men can be blameless, is
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying. And that is so far out of
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 5: there constellation of understandable thought that is just not going
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 5: to happen. So it's like watching a man try to
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 5: explain to a rock the process of walking. Hey there,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 5: mister boulder, you know I have two feet. Yeah, get
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 5: anywhere with it? Okay, all right?
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: Pre existing to what time and memorial? I mean, these
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: are so constructs.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: Men are socialized from birth to hate women.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 5: From birth by who like.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 6: It's always worse.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: Because it's worse time. It's so much worse today than
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: it was, making it worse. And there has not been
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: a change in humanity in.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 6: Like the fun has been. There has been, it's not
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 6: the change.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 5: Whoaa whoa, whoa whoa whoa.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 4: Thank feminism, Thank feminism for giving you your right to vote. Otherwise,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: stop get me.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 5: A handsating Okay, so he's saying it's worse like misogyny.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 4: Sandwich has entered the chat.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 5: His socialization is worse now, and she's saying it's because
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 5: of feminism.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 4: So what she's saying, No, no, he's saying, okay, how long,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 4: like how how long has it been? Like how old
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 4: is sexism? And he said it's a social construct, and
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 4: they agreed with him, and he's like, well, okay, so
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 4: men have hated women for how long? Because she was
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: like since birth, and then the other woman was like
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: since time immemorial, since the dawn of time. So they're
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: contradicting themselves because obviously that's what women do, so that,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 4: on the one hand, it is a social construct, but
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: it's also not because it's been around since the beginning
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: of time.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 8: Time.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: And he's like, things have not gotten better and she
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 4: was like, well, yeah they have, but only because of feminism.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, I think he's saying things have gotten worse.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 5: Go back, let's listen. Maybe I'm wrong.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 4: They're talking over each other a lot.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 3: So men are socialized from birth to hate women. It's true.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 5: No, it's not like it's always worse, because.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: It's worse of time, it's so much worse today, see
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: what he's saying. And there has not been a change
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: in humanity like the has been.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: There has been.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 5: It's see what women, Hey, stop it, You've got to
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 5: entangle this mess. So he's saying, there's she's saying, men
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 5: are socialized from birth by who to hate women by who.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 5: That the mythical mind rays of patriarchy, right, I mean,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 5: if it's gotten worse, the only thing that's changed about
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 5: families since like fifty years ago is more single mothers. Okay, so,
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 5: and then she says since time immemorial. So for all
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 5: of human history, since time immemorial, men have hated women,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 5: been socialized to hate women. But this isn't a bio
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 5: essentialist category. Guys just cross the species lines as well.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 5: But then he said, but it's gotten worse, right, but
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 5: what but the and he's she says that's because of feminism.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 5: And what she I'm guessing she's about to say is
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 5: that it's gotten worse because of backlash to feminism.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: Perhaps, Yeah, they don't, they.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 6: Don't rely on men.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: This isn't.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 6: This isn't Jane Austen and I don't need a man
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 6: who makes.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: Four hundred a year fifteen years ago.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: Like, no, the art, the charts are collapsing at a
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: much higher rate than like women entering the workforce.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: So firteen years ago, he too had just been born.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: Like le's that that's true much less than that.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, you know ten years ago. Yeah, to
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 6: what do you attribute that?
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: That?
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 6: Ryan? What do you think think the rapid shift?
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: I think it's the right wing. It's the right wing socialization,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: Like it's the conscious right wing culturalizing.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 4: And by that you mean it's the way that he
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 4: can't blame. Yeah, he's gonna blame the manisphere. So this
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 4: guy's not an ally. He doesn't like Look he's saying,
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 4: this guy sees men as a tool. That's it. So
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 4: he's like, look, I just want to be effective and
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 4: getting men on our camp. In order to do that,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 4: we have to fight against the programming of the far right,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 4: which is not happening. This is why he can't solve
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 4: the problem because no one's doing this to men except
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 4: these people. They're pushing them out, yes, saying we don't
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 4: need you, we don't want you, and then men are
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 4: like okay, just like they've always done. Okay, then we'll
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 4: just go over here, and now this guy's like, we
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: didn't get them back, and like, well, they left to
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 4: fuck them. You know, they didn't like they didn't put
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 4: up with our abuse. They just left like they're the enemy, dude.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 5: They literally kicked them out.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And he's like, but I want to win elections
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: and men are like, you will never win an election
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 4: with us ever again. And these women are like, well
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 4: fuck you then, and he's like why so, yeah, he's
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: not our friends. He wants men for votes, and that's
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: why he's like, well, it's got to be those dasherally
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 4: far right guys are doing something that we're not doing.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 4: We got to copy their tactics. Literally, they're not doing
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: anything except talking about like the reality like this is
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: like what they to hate about guys like you know,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 4: Tait and Fuentees is they are saying red pill things
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 4: and they just happen to have like enough reach that
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 4: it looks like they're the only ones that comes from.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 4: Peterson says some pretty red pill things sometimes too. I
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 4: know it's gonna pitch you guys off because he's not
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 4: like red pilled enough for you. But the truth is
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 4: he has saved men from suicide. He has done a
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: lot of good, full stop. He's a net positive, okay.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 4: But the point is is that because those guys are
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 4: high profile, these people go after them because they only
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 4: go after people that they see as high profile, not
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: necessarily people who are the most effective or the most based. Okay.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 4: So that's the reality, and that's for them. It's all
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 4: about winning. That's that's what they care about. They care
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 4: about winning, and these women they care about excluding men
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 4: or at least like forcing them to comply and support
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 4: them unquestioningly. That's that's how they see it, right, And
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 4: he thinks that's not a winning strategy, but a like literally.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 5: What they want from men is impossible. They want men
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 5: to remain inside this this long house while being outside
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 5: of it, right, And it's like yet, well okay, that's
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 5: not going to work. So you shove men out and
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 5: they can't remain inside if you shove them out. And
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 5: then he's like, well, how did the right do this?
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 5: They they didn't do it. But the other thing is
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 5: he correctly identify how they shoved out Bernie bros. Do
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: you not notice that this is what they've been doing
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 5: for everyone that doesn't completely coalesce with their particular cozy politics.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 5: Like it's basically you either you either accept the cozy politics,
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 5: my cozy politics, which means nobody can disagree with me
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 5: because that makes me feel bad, or you get the
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 5: choppy chop and you get kicked out, or you get
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 5: kicked out, you get exiled. And yeah, like he's like
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 5: struggling with this, but he recognized this with Bernie bros.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 5: That's what they've done with all these men. They've literally
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 5: shoved them out of the long house, and then they
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 5: blame them for no longer being in the long house.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 5: And then they also said, well, why do Republicans do
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 5: this to us? Good luck? Good luck with this ball
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 5: of fuck.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 4: They don't have a solution. They can't because it's it
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 4: doesn't fit. I think it just fundamentally does not fit
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 4: with their philosophy. That would mean they would have to
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 4: listen to men and actually listen to them, and they're
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 4: not prepared to do that. They're just trying to figure
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 4: out how to win, and they think men are useful
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 4: for that end.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 6: So that women are young women are being treated so poorly.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, no. The man of sphere, all
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: of the things that I'll appoint to I think are
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: the drive, are a driver?
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: But I was asking what is driving women's disinterest in marriage,
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: young women's girls and disinterested in marriage?
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 6: The rig You say, it's the manisphere, but.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 4: It's feminism though, That's what's driving women's disinterest in marriage
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 4: and family literally sex in the city. It's euphoria. It's
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 4: all the fucking TV they watch. It's social media, it's influencers,
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 4: it's manifestel, you know, that's what's doing it. It's not men.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, what the hell? Like, there's a billion dollar industry
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 5: driving all this, and there are members of this industry,
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 5: seminal lights of this industry that said, this is specifically
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 5: what we're doing. We're destroying the family.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And feminism, yeah, they said it explicitly. So how
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 4: does this woman think, well, why aren't men interested in.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 5: Like, you know, what's really funny?
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 4: And these women on this show somewhere I forget where,
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 4: but they actually say I think they say it on
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 4: here that they're not they're not going to have kids
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 4: and not going to get married. So they're literally like
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 4: doing the thing that that is causing the situation. And
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 4: then they're like, why is this happening? Do they do
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 4: you just want men to approach you so you can
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 4: turn them down because I could see that.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 5: Well, they probably would argue that they're not they don't
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 5: want to get married and have children because men are
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 5: so awful. But the thing is that they have been
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 5: subject to a gigantic campaign saying that men are awful. Yes,
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 5: so it's like, well, okay, where did this come from?
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 5: Why do women not want to marry? Why do women
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 5: think men are awful? Because that's what like literally feminists
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 5: and like the seventies said, how can we define the
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 5: relationship between men and women too to benefit feminism? And
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 5: then we let them do that, and now this, like
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 5: and and literally feminists have said, we want to destroy
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 5: the relationship between men and women. You have outlined your
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 5: plan to get women to not choose marriage and children. Okay,
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 5: you've outlined your plan, you have enacted your plan, the
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 5: plan is successful, and now you're saying, how do we
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 5: blame how do we blame men? Actually, you're not even
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 5: saying that, you're saying men are to blame.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 6: I'm like, well, it's the women's disinterest the West driving them.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, I'm gonna say one last time.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 4: We're being treated by men, So she thinks women are
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 4: disinterested because how they're being treated by men. No, No,
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 4: that you're you caused the problem. The problem bears the
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 4: fruits that you wanted. And now you're saying men did this.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 5: Yes, that's exactly what I said that.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's what you've done. All right, let's just
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 4: do the last time code because we've gone for like
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 4: two hours unless there's something else.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there is one other thing I wanted to say. Right, so,
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 5: not only have they done that, not only are they
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 5: now blaming men for what they themselves did. Can you
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 5: guys see how blaming men because you have such an
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 5: aversion to blaming women, has to be challenged or this
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 5: will never go away and this will destroy our society.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 5: Like you know, people have said, well, you know, it's
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 5: not that big deal, like the the the birth collapse
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 5: crisis is not that big a deal. We could stand
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 5: to be a smaller population. Yeah, maybe maybe that's true,
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 5: but at some point we have to actually stabilize, which
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 5: means we got to solve this. Otherwise it's just gonna
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 5: basically go through our entire birth rate like a knife
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 5: through butter until no human being is having children except
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 5: maybe the Amish maybe, but you know that's not gonna
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 5: be a lot of people on this earth, and we're
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 5: never gonna get off it either. Okay, So I think
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 5: that we need to solve this just to even have
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 5: a future with a lower population. Okay, we need to
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 5: solve this problem. So we need to be able to
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 5: blame women, and we need to recognize that sometimes men
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 5: are not to blame.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm, all right, last time code. This guy leaves early,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 4: not because he's angry or rage quits, it's just that
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 4: he can't stay for that long kinds of moment.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, I think it's a it's a matter of
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: perception that we all we perceive we perceive it differently.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: One from one side, people think like all the men
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: and boys are just completely coddled all the time. On
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: the other side, they think that they get they get
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: no grace whatsoever and and are the only group that
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: isn't allowed to be part of verifiably a social construct.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 4: Uh no grace, no grace. Yeah, so they gives them
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 4: no grace. Yeah, nobody gives them grace. And this woman,
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 4: of course, Brianna Gray, says, this is absolutely let's see
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 4: in a.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: Man's America, it's a man's world, are still running every single.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 6: You can get nowhere in that narrative miserable.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 4: And they're all miserable. Yeah, maybe you're wrong. Have you
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 4: considered that? Have you considered that? If things are if
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 4: you're looking at symptoms that are the opposite of your
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 4: prescription or what your diagnosis of reality is, then maybe
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 4: your diagnosis of reality is wrong. If I tell if
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 4: I say to Lindsey, oh, you know, I think that
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 4: you have you know, like I don't know, I think
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 4: that you have a head cold, and you you you
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 4: you obviously have like a sinus problem, and she just
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 4: like like collapses from like you know, fucking lung cancer.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 4: That means that I didn't have the correct diagnosis because
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 4: I wasn't looking at the tumor in her chest and
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 4: I didn't see that as part of the problem. Ah,
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 4: that's just like a fatty corpuscle. I don't know, Like
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 4: it's just not a good diagnosis. And they're just like, no,
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 4: this is the diagnosis, so everything has to match that.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 4: These are our conclusions. And this guy's like, yeah, but
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 4: why are men unhappy if they have all the power? Oh,
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 4: because they're whiny bitches.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 5: Why okay, all right, lady, men.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 4: Did this to themselves.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 5: See why did they do this to themselves? Because are
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 5: you going to honestly say that men are so stupid
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 5: that they constructed a system to keep you in absolute
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 5: chains for all since the dawn of time? I believe
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 5: that's what she said.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 5: Men have managed to conspire to keep women, the very
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 5: people who raise them, under their thumb since the dawn
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 5: of time, and yet they're so stupid that they can't
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 5: use that to benefit themselves. Patriarchy is so stupid that
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 5: even though it uses rape and domestic violence to keep
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 5: women in line, it has never occurred to it to
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 5: just simply kidnap and force women to marry outside of like,
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 5: I don't know, war, which is not what we're dealing
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 5: with here. We're dealing with a peaceful society. It's never
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 5: considered that we actually, no, that actually makes sense, Like
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 5: that would be something that you might consider in war,
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 5: you know, like the Bronze Age, to just go and
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 5: steal a bunch of women and force them to marry you.
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 5: But for some reason, our patriarchy that uses horrific violence
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 5: against women to get what it wants, has never thought
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 5: of that and instead chooses to live in misery respecting
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 5: women's consent. Funny, isn't that?
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 6: I mean, not even just.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 5: Misery of, but even worse misery because it's forcing itself
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 5: to underwrite, like they're forcing men to pay taxes to
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 5: give women even more things, more opportunities to consent to
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 5: things like you know, before you know you would you
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 5: would consent to marriage. Maybe maybe there would be economic
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 5: pressures for both men and women, but regardless, but now
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 5: you can actually have an opportunity to be a single mother,
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 5: to be single completely because let's face it, male industry
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 5: gave these options to men. You can be a wife,
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 5: but not a mother. That option is there too, Right,
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 5: you have all of these options that patriarchy has given
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 5: to you that biology did not give you to you,
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 5: lady by mother nature was like, no, bitch, you give
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 5: birth and you raise those damn puppies, right, That's that's
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 5: your purpose in life. That's what mother nature said to you.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 5: But patriarchy came along and said, I think women should
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 5: have more options. They should be able to live, they
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 5: should be able to be educated, and in very very
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 5: time can time and can tell time in base it
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 5: no time. Ah, like very things that take a lot
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 5: of time to do, which takes a lot of time
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 5: from reproducing. I think they should be able to have
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 5: have jobs, you know, I think they should be able
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 5: to And before there was all of this, you know,
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 5: air conditioning and comfortable exciting jobs. You know, they could
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 5: go in home and do jobs by the hearth and
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 5: be safe. Right, Patriarchy basically took the shit deal that
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 5: mother nature gave human women and turned it into a
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 5: buffet of wonderful life options. And these women are like
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 5: and at the expense of men. That's the other thing.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 5: Men's have to pay taxes to underwrite that in a
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 5: society that only very recently stopped actively discriminating against them
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 5: when they didn't have wives, when they weren't supporting a
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 5: family as bachelors, in terms of in terms of having jobs, right,
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 5: they s our society forces men to underwrite all of
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 5: these lovely choices, does not give equivalent choices to men.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 5: Even if a man is raped, he is obligated to
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 5: pay for the child his rapist decides to give birth to. Right,
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 5: So all of this buffet, all of the misery to
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 5: men and she says, Oh my god, that's you just
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 5: you just suck. Yeah, you're right. Men really suck at
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 5: creating society to benefit men. They're really good at creating
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 5: a society that gives a pleasure of options to women,
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 5: though that mother nature not. If women were still subject
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 5: to mother nature, their life would look vastly different than
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 5: what it looks like now thanks to men, which men underwrite,
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 5: which is why they're more miserable, because they thought, lady, unbelievably,
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 5: men thought, well, if we liberate women from needing us financially,
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 5: then they will truly show us how much they love us.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 4: All right, but there's a little bit more. But this
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 4: is the last one. This is the end exactly.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: That's the whole, that's the whole point. We have a
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: we have a common enemy here, not me.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 6: I'm doing great with point single women.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 5: All right, rand, I'll let you go do it.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 4: So he's like, oh, we have a common enemy. I guess,
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 4: like the right, And she's like, now I'm fine, Like
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 4: basically I don't need you man, point single women. So yeah,
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 4: I guess these people have no idea. They have no idea.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 4: When enough men check out all of this ship is gone,
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 4: like all of this, all of this internet, electricity and
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 4: plumbing and you know, your buses and and your military
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 4: and your cops and your fire departments and utilities. It's
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 4: all your fucking phone, like it's all gone. You just
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 4: you have no idea if you're so ungrateful, it's amazing
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 4: and well whatever, I mean, like you've brought this on yourself.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 4: I know, I know people who are pretty good at
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 4: at you know, homesteading, and they're gonna be They're gonna
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 4: be able to weather the storm just fine. They're not
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 4: even amish, and you're just not You're just not gonna
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 4: be okay. So but that's it. That was basically all
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 4: the time.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 5: Codes God damn. So basically he's just talking about and
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 5: he's trying to get them to I mean, we could
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 5: just do a whole show on just the things that
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 5: he talked about and how they're sort of wrong. Although
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 5: I you know, the fact that he is a void
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 5: cat too gives me a little bit of sympathy for him. Sure,
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 5: void cats represent but and.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 4: He I just don't think that he actual mind. Like
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 4: if I said, well, here are the things men are
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 4: concerned with, I don't think that he would take a
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 4: lot of that on. Well, maybe he has come across
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 4: as far right because a lot of men want to
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 4: get married to a woman and have children. You said,
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 4: what are you gonna do about that?
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 5: You said her that you have to, you know, encourage
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 5: them where they are at. That expression tells me that
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 5: he's he's learning. Yeah, no, I get it, Yeah he's
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 5: he he he is realizing that there is there's nothing
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 5: you can do in the face of this. They are
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 5: actively enjoying. They're doing a victory lap over men men's failures.
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 5: And I just I'm just like astounded, because I know
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 5: guys tend to really like feminine women. This is what
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 5: they're actually like, like a lot of them, this is
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 5: the mentality.
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  Speaker 4: That they have. I think they love feminine, but I
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 4: don't think they are feminine.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't think they're masculine either, which is feminists.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 5: But I'm just like, this is this is their attitude,
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 5: and maybe I shouldn't call out like femmes, although it
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 5: seems like they're they're at the root of all of it.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 5: But it's just like they just don't How could you
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 5: how could you be credited with so much empathy and
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 5: you look at the faces on these women as they
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 5: snidely just laugh about the problems facing men, and they
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 5: don't even care, like it's it'd be one thing where
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 5: they were like just you know, hard calculating people and
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 5: they're like, oh, yes, maybe we should care about this
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 5: because we're going to lose if we can't appeal to
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 5: men on some level to vote for our position. But no,
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 5: even the fact that there is this is like stupid evil.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 5: You know, there's evil that's cold and calculating and pragmatic,
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 5: and then they's stupid evil. These women so love the
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 5: thought of men being harmed that they're willing to cut
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 5: off their own fucking hands to see it done. They're
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 5: willing to damage their own cause to see it done,
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 5: to sit there and smirk about, oh men, ah, we
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 5: stick it today. They stick it to the men. We're
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 5: gonna make them take collective blame for what a minority
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 5: of them do. And incidentally, men tends. I actually got again, rock.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 5: I know everybody's a AI, but you again, you just
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 5: make sure that keep it neutral and tell it not
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 5: to affirm your answers to estimate. And this is what
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 5: it's good at. I asked it to estimate how much
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 5: time men spend policing, bringing to justice, prosecuting, and punishing
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 5: men who engage in crimes against women versus how much
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 5: time do men spend engaging in those crimes. Thirty seven
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 5: times more time men spend policing men's behavior towards women
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 5: than they do in engaging and anything negative towards men women.
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 5: In fact, they spend more time policing women's negative behavior
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 5: towards other women, far more than women do. Right, And
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 5: she wants men, apparently the only sex that believes it's
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 5: really critical to police their behavior towards the other sex.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 5: She wants them to pare collective blame for the minority
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 5: of men who engage in criminal activity, who are basically
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 5: a symptom of our license for women. Because, let's face it,
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 5: if we got rid of single motherhood, that would be
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 5: ninety percent of crime gone right there, which includes a
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 5: lot of crime against women. Right So, because we allow
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 5: women to have that option to raise children without fathers
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 5: father's input, we endure a lot of crime, including a
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 5: lot of crime against women. But and men will police
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 5: that crime, right And that's the predominant thing that men do.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 5: They are far more likely to police their criminals than
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 5: engage in any kind of criminal action against women. And
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 5: yet men still have to be guilt feel guilty about
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 5: the behavior of criminals of their not in their number,
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 5: the criminals, the criminal men, the minority of criminal men.
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 5: Oh god, my voice is cracking. This has been some
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 5: serious rage bait for me.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is Look, we've gone for like two hours.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 4: We have other things. But we can do that another day,
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 4: for sure.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we could, we could. Just how long
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 5: is the video of the guy's in the UK Parliament
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 5: who's talking about being sexually assaulted?
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 4: Two minutes and twenty seconds.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, I guess it's relevant to this woman, but
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 5: it'll inspire more talking, so maybe not.
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought I would bring it out. That's going
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 4: to have a conversation just.
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 5: Just brief briefly. One of the labor MPs, Josh Newbury
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 5: uh talked about how he was raped ten years ago. Well,
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 5: of course it's not rape in the UK, but he
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 5: was raped by a woman who used drugs, or it
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 5: might be it might be a man. I don't, I
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 5: don't haven't watched it specifically.
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 4: But anyway, his drink was spiked or something, so Yeah, his.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 5: Drink was spiked. So that's how they that's how he
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 5: was victimized, or that was how they got him into
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 5: a state where he could be victimized. And he did
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 5: this in public of the UK's parliament. Yeah, part, and
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 5: I wanted to talk about it because I thought it
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 5: was really important that male survivors actually talk about this
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 5: stuff and get rid of the stigma against that because
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 5: they're going to continue to use this stuff. They're going
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 5: to continue to use crimes that women engage in too
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 5: to force men to take collective blame. And that is
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 5: so it's morally bankrupt. That's all I can say about it. Yeah,
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 5: I'm glad these two are staying single and aren't having children.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 4: All right, well for now. I'll probably change at some
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 4: point when the wall comes. But uh yeah, so go ahead,
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 4: you want to do the things, and then I'll do
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 4: the things.
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  Speaker 5: blaming women unapologetically. And now people are like so upset
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  Speaker 5: with me when I say I blame women, and they're like,
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 5: do you really want to use the word blame And
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 5: I'm like yes, because once you soften it, then you
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 5: start conceding to women's feelings and that never ends. So yes,
• 2:20:37
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