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Midsommar · Blood and Brains Podcast

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  SPEAKER_03: In this podcast, we'll be discussing the medical accuracy and mental health themes of our favorite horror movies.
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  SPEAKER_03: Garnet is a mental health professional while Katia is a PA at an off-brand Planned Parenthood.
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  SPEAKER_03: And today we have a special guest, Vic, host of Podcasts, Comic Books Beyond, and fellow horror lover.
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  SPEAKER_03: Together we'll educate the shit out of some great or not so great movies.
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  SPEAKER_03: This podcast is not meant for individual medical or mental health advice.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is for entertainment purposes only.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hey everyone.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hi everyone.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hello.
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  SPEAKER_03: Let's talk about some Midsummar.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm here to ask silly questions and just kind of hang out.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love Midsumar and horror and all that good stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you're not if you're here for my show, hey everybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nice to see you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or hear you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or you hear me.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh if you're a fresh listener, that's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you like comic books, check out Comic Books Beyond.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, I'm gonna stop talking now because it's your show.
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  SPEAKER_00: Good.
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  SPEAKER_03: So my favorite thing about Midsommar is it's such a good daylight horror movie.
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  SPEAKER_03: What are some of yours favorite, your daylight horror movies?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, my favorite daylight horror movies.
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  SPEAKER_00: So those are few and far between.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean, this one is the gold standard.
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  SPEAKER_00: The old gold standard would be the Nick Cage classic, The Wicker Man, or more accurate.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or more accurately, the um the softcore pornography version of it that was made in the 70s.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh that that's really the best daylight horror.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh give me time to think if I can actually think of some other ones.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um was is the would you would you would you say the others counts as daylight horror?
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Some of it is so it's so in the house.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like it's all takes place in the house.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's hard to say daylight.
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  SPEAKER_00: Weren't the kids allergic to daylight in that or something?
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  SPEAKER_03: That's what she told them.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um spoilers for like a 20-year-old movie.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh god.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, do do do we give spoilers on this show?
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we do.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're totally spoiler.
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  SPEAKER_02: Infested.
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  unknown: Spoiler.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I could give you some of mine because I prepared unlike Vic.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um Leviticus.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, he was getting it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you you didn't give me an outline.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm just Oh, we didn't?
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oops.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we are professional podcasters here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Super professional.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm professional in everything I do.
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  SPEAKER_02: What are you talking about?
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  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, um, Leviticus.
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  SPEAKER_02: I know I've been hounding you guys to watch that, but that's a good um daylight horror movie.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's basically the concept of it follows, but like with these two gay guys realizing they're gay and the demon takes the form of whatever it is that you truly desire person-wise, and it's pretty freaky.
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  SPEAKER_02: The symbolism and it's pretty much.
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  SPEAKER_02: It sounds like Camp Damascus.
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  SPEAKER_02: Never seen that.
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  SPEAKER_00: It really sounds like it follows.
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  SPEAKER_03: Basically, it follows.
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  SPEAKER_03: Camp Damascus is a book.
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  SPEAKER_03: Chuck Tingle.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a really good horror book.
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  SPEAKER_03: It follows is actually a pretty good daylight horror.
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  SPEAKER_03: Half of it, at least, is in the daylight.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it is.
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  SPEAKER_02: So waiting for the sequel, it never comes.
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  SPEAKER_03: It is coming.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think we're getting it next year, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: What?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it's uh been fully done.
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  SPEAKER_00: Really?
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  SPEAKER_02: Why don't I know anything?
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyway.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think it's called They Follow.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is called They Follow.
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  SPEAKER_02: They follow, so like multiple creatures following.
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  SPEAKER_02: That sounds amazing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Can't wait.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I assume there was an orgy at some point and they spread the seed around.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you know, the demon So I think the star of the movie was Florence Pugh.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_03: Uh well, she was the star, but she was like the best thing about the movie, in my opinion.
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  SPEAKER_03: I would definitely put her near the top of the new age final girls here.
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  SPEAKER_03: What do you guys think?
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  SPEAKER_02: I thought she did a great depiction of grief and trauma.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like the wailing she did, like all that stuff is like, I feel like is accurate.
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  SPEAKER_02: She was really goat on it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I would agree with you that she is definitely a top-tier final girl.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think she could she is definitely a new age scream queen.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, as far as final girl, I mean, she was a final girl.
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  SPEAKER_00: She, but well, yeah, she she's a final girl.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there were other girls still alive.
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  SPEAKER_03: She was the main protagonist.
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  SPEAKER_03: Everybody else was kind of antagonists.
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  SPEAKER_02: They were the final antagoni.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everyone in this film sucks, except no, even she kind of sucks.
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  SPEAKER_00: She has a negative change character arc, therefore, she sucks in the end.
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  SPEAKER_00: I agree with her, don't get me wrong.
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  SPEAKER_02: What about the red-headed girl?
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  SPEAKER_02: She just wanted a baby.
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  SPEAKER_02: She she was she sucked.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, do we have any trigger warnings for this uh movie, Garnet?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Suicide, Family Annihilators, really graphic visuals that are jarring.
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  SPEAKER_03: And oh, where's sexual content?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I was gonna say, like, it's basically it's sexual assault.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: The um the pushing was just a little overkill.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm just gonna throw that out there.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we'll get to it.
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  SPEAKER_03: We'll get to it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I forgot that was in that movie.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, because I saw it in theaters years ago and I rewatched it before this, and I was just like, oh, oh no.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, we'll start by going over the movie, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, we start with Danny, who is worried about her sister, who left a cryptic and ominous message on her email, I believe.
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  SPEAKER_03: She's frantically calling her parents, her sister, and her boyfriend who is out with friends.
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  SPEAKER_03: What do you think about Christian, Garnet?
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  SPEAKER_02: I think Christian is completely emotionally unavailable.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he was gonna break up with her if this didn't happen, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: So I think their relationship's just kind of built on him feeling obligated to her because he feels bad that she doesn't have anyone else.
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  SPEAKER_02: But he's just like a super emotionally unavailable guy with not a lot of emotional debt, who just invalidates her a lot.
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  SPEAKER_03: Depth, not death, yeah, she says constantly gaslighting.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's not, she's fine, get over it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Blah blah blah.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, she's dead.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and so's her family.
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  SPEAKER_02: She annihilated your family.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_02: Ugh.
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  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, sorry.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so spoilers for the beginning of the movie.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_03: Danny's sister is not okay and commits murder of her parents and then kills herself with carbon monoxide poisoning.
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  SPEAKER_02: Have you seen the theory?
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  SPEAKER_02: And this isn't my theory, I'm not gonna take any credit for it, but I've seen it on the internet.
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  SPEAKER_02: People theorize that actually the cult killed the family to get her there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, because there's just like one imagery of like the flowers that were in midsummer, like the area or whatever was on like the dresser.
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  SPEAKER_02: So and just like the way that she like offed herself, that just seems like a really hard way to do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like the way, like, with just all of it, the way she was facing, even.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I don't know, what do you guys think?
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  SPEAKER_02: You think that's like a potentially it?
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  SPEAKER_02: Or is she really just family annihilated everyone?
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  SPEAKER_03: It's a possibility.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it's a possibility.
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  SPEAKER_00: I kind of just go with she did it because there was a lot of there was I think they said there was several months of she's not okay doing that, and from a logic standpoint, how would the cult know, even if they were like investigating it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I feel like unless Pele was just a really good actor in another scene, he it seemed like it was just first time he met her.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I could be wrong though.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, I think he knew her more than that.
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  SPEAKER_03: But it is a fun theory, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and the other thing I know with Ariaster, the director, he is one of those dudes like um who's that psychopath who directed the sh The Shining?
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  SPEAKER_03: Kubrick.
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  SPEAKER_00: Kubrick, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I like him a lot as a director, as a person, not so much, but he puts insane levels of details in his movies.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and that's what kind of Ariaster does.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I know there's like one or two shots of this.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's like a picture or like an art sequential drawing, kind of like a comic book.
• 8:07
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  SPEAKER_02: Subliminal.
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  SPEAKER_00: They uh basically tell the entire plot of the movie.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think there's like one or two of them that does that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and the one with the picture of the little girl and the bear, and yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh, the little girl and the bear would be a great children's book.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe not for this thing, but yeah.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_03: Goldilocks and the three bears is a children's book.
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  SPEAKER_03: After uh we learn of her parents' suicide.
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  SPEAKER_03: We then cut to a few months later, right before school is out for the summer, where we find a depressed Danny.
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  SPEAKER_03: She learns that Christian has plans to go to Sweden with his friends for a midsummer festival at a small commune where their Swedish exchange student friend Pele.
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  SPEAKER_02: They end up going together, even though he clearly doesn't want Danny there, but he takes her out of guilt, gaslighting, and all that good stuff.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, it makes me really mad because she ends up apologizing for the fight when he's the one that started it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep, and then she gets pressured to taking magic mushrooms, which do whatever you want, but don't Yeah, that's when she gets to Sweden.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_02: There's like eerie undercurrents throughout the scenes, even though the scenery is really pretty.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I know Vic brought up before, but about the creepy drawings.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_02: So if I saw somebody's creepy drawings of someone clip clipping their pubes in a meat pie, I think I'd leave.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that's just me.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_03: I definitely know about.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: So can I uh can I can I interject really quick?
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know the technical side.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I have a bunch of questions I could ask.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want me to like ask you them when they're relevant or just like do a QA session at the end?
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like what's best?
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: No preference, garnet.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, what about just rapid fire them at us?
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: How about we do how about we do that at the end?
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, okay.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's fine.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: But if I if I could say something about uh Pele and his cult and his dude bro friends, yes, yeah, of course.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: But as the only dude on the on the podcast, I know people like this exist.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: I just have to distance myself from guys like this and like think pretty hard on our friend group.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have anybody who acts like this, and the reason we don't is because I can't stand people like this.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I feel like I would nope out just by hanging out with these dudes.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: The toxic masculinity stuff.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like these dudes are toxic max masculinity to the friend group.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's mostly eyebrows character.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_03: What's his what's his actor name?
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_03: It's I will something weird.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, but if you yeah, that's his actor name.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: But if you just Google the actor with the eyebrows, apparently, uh I've heard this on another podcast, I don't remember which one.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: But if you just Google actor with eyebrows, he'll come up.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_03: The thing I found interesting about the community is it's very steeped in like ritual, like with the whole backwards picking of the flowers and just the seasons of life.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_02: I thought that was pretty interesting.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like when you turn like 72, you jump off the cliff in front of everybody.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, it's called the Edistupa.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's why they don't have nursing homes because all their elderly just Yep.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_03: When you become the age of 72, you don't want to be a burden, you just pencil dive off a cliff.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: So we're doing that when we're 72, right, guys.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_02: Fuck no.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't pencil dive, I can tell you that.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: Cannonball myself down, just kidding.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't do that.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, don't hurt yourself, just being very clear on this one.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: We'd no no no, don't do that.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: Just don't do that.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_03: As the movie continues, Danny's friends are slowly picked off as human sacrifices.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_03: Danny becomes the May Queen after winning a drugged dancing contest, and Christian becomes bewitched into a strange sex ritual, which is witnessed by Danny.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_03: Pushing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's where the pushing is.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: Was it the oldest woman among them?
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: She got behind.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: I guess he wasn't thrusting hard enough or whatever.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, they gave him like basically a video game power-up by getting behind him and doing that.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh uh, I don't know how else to put like this is the weirdest form of sexual assault I've ever seen.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: And like, this is one of those things where, like, uh, how do I want to put it?
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: The dude's into the cheating.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: I guess he's maybe just they're not into it enough, which is just so goddamn creepy.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: And the cheating, I think he's literally bewitched, like they cast a spell on him type thing.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: So do we think do we think this is a metaphor for like GHP at a party?
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, definitely.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_02: Lady singing to her during it was pretty creepy too, because I think that was like her mom or something.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Just like all the naked pee women just like I I personally wouldn't want my mom to sing to me while I was in the gauge of maritable thrust.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_03: But uh final ritual, Danny has to choose a human sacrifice, and to no one's surprise, she chooses Christian.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_03: As the ritual's face is burning, the final the camera ends on Danny's face in a look of pure joy.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_03: So is it a happy ending, you think, guys?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think?
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_03: Happy ending?
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_03: The female rage in me wants to say it's a happy ending, but the reality in me is no, she was brainwashed by a cult.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: So like I like I said before, Christian's a piece of shit.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: I get it.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like, he's he sucks, but the real crime here is that she's indoctrinated into a cult, and like she probably wouldn't have murdered her boyfriend on other circumstances.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, would you guys murder your boyfriend?
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what are the circumstances that you guys would murder your husbands?
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: This is especially relevant for Cody, I would like to know.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I never am a fan of wishing murder on people.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_03: I just wish it burns when they pee.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: How many you garn it?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: What what what would you uh do to murder Ben?
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_02: I think I'd divorce him before I would murder him.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's like the logical explanation, or of course.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_03: So I guess if he ever tried to kill my cat, everyone is as yeah, there you go.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_02: If he was like in a stranglehold with Asher, I would like protect my cat.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_02: But he never would.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: He was Asher, so so you guys would do the normal thing and just break up with someone, like I I guess that's that's not the interesting answer, but that's the correct way to do it and not like like you wouldn't dress someone up like a bear and put them in a burning house.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, it's pretty cool.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: They gave him like what do they call those death doulas where uh they just let someone sit with you also be sacrificed on fire?
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_03: To be fair, I think I would dress someone up as a bear.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: If you were gonna if you were gonna ritually kill them.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_03: Like a whole bear?
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like it just seems like a lot of work to cut that thing open and gut it and too much bear.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you do have to kill the bear.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_03: Never mind, I'm not killing the bear.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_02: What about a costume?
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_02: A bear costume.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: What if someone killed the bear for you?
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_02: What if it died of natural causes?
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, if it died of natural causes, that's fine.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_02: Too much trash.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: It ate too much trash, and I just Oh, I get sad thinking about that.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm sad.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks, guys.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, no problem.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: So my first question is how uh how how would we uh start this fire out in the woods?
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: Say you were gonna burn something big like a Wickerman or this thing that they're clearly ripping off of the Wickerman or making an homage to because it's good.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh how would they st how would how do we start a fire like this?
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: Cotty, you were a Cub Scout or a Girl Scout.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: I thought I said Cub Scout because we were talking about bears.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: If you were a Girl Scout, how do how do we start a fire like this?
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you want some kindling, and what uh what are we talking here?
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_03: What tools do I have to start the fire?
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_03: Two rocks.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: Like a caveman.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: You have the tools that the commune has.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: So no electricity, and that's about it.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_03: And pubes.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_03: I'm pretty sure they could have matches, but you just make a little a little structure.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_03: You can use the teepee method, or you can use like the little log cabin method, and you put the kindling in the middle, and then you throw a match in there and hope it lights.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_03: Good work.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: Cadia, do you want to go into CO poisoning or do you want me to take it away with Colts?
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I've been talking a lot.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: You go ahead with cults.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: But your voice is so nice, and I just like to listen to it.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_02: Twitch.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_02: You really do have a good like podcast voice, I think.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: I've been told I have a good face for podcasting since I don't do video.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: Same.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's rude.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: I have a face for radio, I've been told.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: So the whole cult thing, like a lot of people might be like, hey, how do I join a cult?
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: Or why would I get indoctrinated into a cult?
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of it, the uh metaphor I like to use is like if you and this is sad, if you put a frog in a pot of water and you slowly turn the heat up, it doesn't realize that it's being boiled alive.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: Same thing with abusive relationships, so people don't like get out as fast because it's like not in your face.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like in your face, like we're cult and this is what we worship and this is what you need to do.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's like systematic, right?
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: So the whole thing with um what they look for cults are people in transitional life phases.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: So it could be going through a divorce, it could even be grief and loss of a loved one, any major stressor.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_02: Even I've seen like going to college, like something where it's just like a major life-changing event type of thing.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: People are just more susceptible and impressionable for that idea of like community and connection.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: So Danny's basically the perfect archetype for cult initiation, unfortunately.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_02: She lost all of her family.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: She's probably struggling with survivor's guilt.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_02: She doesn't have, it looks like, many friendship connections, except for that one friend, the very beginning that foreshadowed some things who was like, You should just break up with him already because he's a the worst.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_02: Because he is.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_02: All she really seems to have is Christian, who she's like codependent on, who's like gaslighty and not supportive.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: Usually what cults do is they like love bomb new recruits.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: So by love bombing, and again, this is the same if you know about abusive relationships, it's like the same concept.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's constant compliments, um, reassurances, making you feel special or that you're a part of something.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um what actually movie-wise, and it isn't-I mean, I guess it could be a horror movie that does a really good depiction of this.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's a 1970s movie called Um Ticket to Heaven.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you guys ever heard of it, but it's basically about this guy who gets initiated into a cult when he's in college and his family get a deprogrammer, like somebody who specializes with cults to like snap them out of it.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't seen that in a long time either in a show, but that that's like a good like kind of depiction of that what it's like.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: Might have been based off a true story.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_02: I don't remember.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_02: I gotta look back into it.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so basically, um, they do things to make you feel special or part of something.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like, so when Dandy was like connecting with them with cooking, and then she wins the May Queen, and it seals the deal completely when they connect with her pain.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: Because I don't think Danny had anyone in her life that was connecting with her pain, but they all did.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like these people she barely knew were just like having a held space for her to express and feel her pain, where everywhere else she was probably like holding it in.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_02: Cults do things to make you feel connected to them, and then they escalate and have you cut people out of your life that are part of the cult.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_02: Her friends in Christian, though, like she wasn't into it as much till after, you know, Christian.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: She ate on her, but cutting people off the cults in general is usually like they make you write letters to people saying you're never gonna talk to them again, and they make you distance yourself because you can only be around other people that are into this belief system, and there could be those religious undertones of oh, well, they're gonna go to hell, or um, they're not chosen, whatever.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: Some whatever belief it is, they stick to it, so the other people in your life can't be a part of what you're in now.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: Usually cults have you give up individualization things, give up your belongings, or you have to like pay them lots of money.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: They just lead you to be really dependent on them in all different types of ways, um, donations or some type of self-help class.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen like cults like that where they make you spend thousands of dollars on these self-help classes that are supposed to like move you up in the ranks of some tiered system that doesn't even make any sense.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: But at that point, people are so like in it, they don't even realize what's going on.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: And even like I feel like the fact that they had everyone live in the same place with no like doors or privacy is just another concept of just keeping everyone together so you don't have time to think, and putting people under a lot of stress is not a thing with cults, just like if you don't do this, this terrible thing's gonna happen or this thing's gonna happen, like just really intense things that take away your control.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's basically it's an abusive relationship, but it's an abusive relationship with a group of people that all have these out there beliefs instead of just with one other person who's abusive.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: So if that makes sense, my rambling.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: Can can I ask can I ask a few questions here?
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: I could maybe have an answer, but go ahead.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I I think you just kind of covered really good ground about cults.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: I Happen to know just a decent amount from listening to like thousands of episodes of podcasts about cults.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: N no expert here.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: I uh I listen to podcasts.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's my knowledge.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: Don't take that as kind of any advice.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: But couple things you said.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: So cults tend to prey on people who are uh not in good good spaces, kind of like post your parents being killed by your sister or your boyfriend being terrible, you know, prime target for a cult.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: Have either of you known anyone who has joined a cult or like something cult adjacent?
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because I know one person that I won't say their name, but have have either of you had that?
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_03: Does multi-level marketing schemes count?
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: You just read my mind.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_02: I was about to say that.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't want to say the company, but yeah, let's an MLM.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: Let's not name names for legal reasons.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's that's what I figured.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: No, I know someone.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: This is your podcast, but I do the editing and I will cut it out anyway.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, it it's an MLM.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: You too.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: You've known someone with that.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_03: Co-workers at my walk-in job.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: I knew a dude since I was nine or ten, and he got divorced.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I know Cadia can probably piece the story together.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: He joined a church where he uh said there were levels.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: He um it was not the church you're thinking, it wasn't it was not the I know the big one.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, it was there was not nothing about Told me before I remember the name.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I think I think I did tell you the story, but the the listeners haven't.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um but the first thing he told me is hey, I joined a cult like a joke, and his his thing was he joined a cult for a girl, and yeah, oh yeah, this story is really bad.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: So he joined a cult for a girl, and it was the church, it was a religious organization, but the smell of the cult on this church that well let's call this like the C list of church-based cults.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know of the best way to describe it.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: You might have heard of this one, it's not been parodied in South Park, that's all I can say.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: For all I'm willing to to my knowledge, I don't think this was parodied in South Park.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: This girl said to him, Yeah, you can join my cult, but you uh I can't date you because like I'm too high of a level, or like I'm on a different level than you, so it would be like they literally compared it to pedophilia because she'd been studying so long, and then he was like telling me, Oh yeah, and they showed me this video of how like the Catholic Church is really the church of Satan.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's like if you take these numbers and the Pope's hat it, it adds up to 666, and I'm just like, Jesus Christ, if you add any group of numbers the right way, it'll add up to whatever the fuck you want it to.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: Watch the number 23, it's a bad movie, but that's the whole point.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, he he he joined a cult right after a divorce, and you know, that was that was like my one real experience of cults where I really had to like distance myself from a person.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's yeah, no, when they're in a like a transitional mindset, because I imagine he was probably devastated by the divorce, or at least like impacted somehow.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, that he'd be doing things he normally wouldn't do, and they that's how they get you, because if you have all your like wherewithal, you won't fall for this type of stuff, and it's usually systematic, it's not usually in your face, just like an abusive partner.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's the same thing.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_03: He also had a really stressful job.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: That doesn't help.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, my friend or Yep, your friend.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want to out what the job was, but um, he formally oh I'll say it.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, formally had it, and then had lost, not lost that job, but got out of that line of work, and it's a line of work that is very, very stressful.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_03: So losing like not losing a job, but that's another transitional spot.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, and just a lot of people, especially in America, identify themselves heavily with their profession.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_02: So losing your job or switching fields or whatever, you could feel like you've lost a part of your personality and like who you are.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I think people find that type of identity in a cult or a community, I should say.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: Not like just a cult, but you get what I mean.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like if you're looking for that, I think you'd be more susceptible to that too.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: You want like to have part of your identity again or whatever it is.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: Cults prey on targets who are advantageous for them, who are not in good places.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: All right, do we have anything more to say on cults or do we have other stuff we want to move on to?
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_03: I had a question.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_03: If you have a loved one in a cult, what's the best way to try to get them out?
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's tough.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um that's probably where the deprogrammer stuff would be a thing.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know a super lot about that because in my time I haven't, as like being a therapist, I've never encountered that.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: I've mostly just seen it on TV and the stuff that I've learned.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like when I was at college, there was an entire course that it took on cults.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um but like I I think that's what you would have to get, like somebody who's like specialized and it's really sad with the stuff I've seen.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_03: From what I've heard, the best thing you can do is just try to stay in their life and don't say anything bad about the cult because you'll just pull them away, push them away more.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_03: That makes sense.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's the same thing with an abusive relationship, then just try to be as present as possible and when they're ready, get them out of there.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_03: Sounds right.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_03: Any more questions, Victor?
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, not on cults at the moment.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: I might have a couple more at the end, though.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_03: Well, then we'll move on to carbon monoxide poisoning.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yay.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: I chose this because this is how the movie opens.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_03: First, we're gonna have to start about how basic oxygenation in the body works.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_03: You have red blood cells.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_03: Red blood cells have a protein called hemoglobin, and hemoglobin has iron in the middle of it.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_03: Iron is what binds the oxygen and carries it to your tissues.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_03: So it goes from your lungs to the rest of your tissues, and then the oxygen gets released when it hits the area it's supposed to go to.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: Then the circulatory system takes the blood back to the lungs and it starts all over again.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_03: What happens when you breathe in carbon monoxide instead of oxygen?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_03: The binding power of carbon monoxide is to hemoglobin is about 200 times stronger than the bond it can make with oxygen.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_03: So basically the carbon monoxide forces its way in above the oxygen, so the oxygen can't actually bind to the hemoglobin anymore.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: Then this turns into something called carboxyhemoglobin, and it reduces the amount of oxygen your tissues get, which leads to hypoxia, which is the medical word for lack of oxygen.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_03: And that can lead to tissue death, which leads to people death.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_03: What does this mean for the body?
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_03: Carbon monoxide poisoning is often a difficult diagnosis to make.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_03: The symptoms are what we call nonspecific, which means they're just common symptoms that occur in many different disease states.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_03: The most common symptoms you're gonna see are headaches, but people can also see have dizziness, weakness, nausea vomiting, muscle aches, just kind of like flu-like symptoms is like what we like to say in medicine a lot.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_03: It can lead to death by causing respiratory arrest because you're not getting any oxygen, cardiac arrest, because if the damage to the heart is too great because it's not getting oxygen, that basically induces a heart attack.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_03: And your blood has to be in a very specific pH to work.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_03: And carbon monoxide can change the way the acid-based chemistry of your blood, and that can also make you die.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_03: My favorite part about the idea of carbon monoxide poisoning is it makes it's a good example of one of my favorite things to tell students that I get is I always say history taking is the most important skill a health provider, healthcare provider has because it gets you about 90% of the way to your diagnosis.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_03: Really, the only way you're gonna like stumble into this diagnosis is if you take a good history because people tell you that they're gonna be exposed to it in some way.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_03: So, like faulty furnaces or heating systems, badly vented areas where there's things that are combusting, or like, so like engines and the exhaust fumes, and another big one is house fires.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: To make the diagnosis, you get a lab test called uh to check the amount of the carboxyhemoglobin in the body.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_03: Most people know that you measure your oxygen by getting that little pulse ox on your finger.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_03: That's what they're taking your oxygen and your pulse with when they put it on your little fingertip.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_03: This actually can't tell you if there's carbon monoxide poisoning because it looks to that machine like you're getting the blood in your finger.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_03: It can't actually tell whether it's hemoglobin or caboxy hemoglobin.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_03: And how you treat this is you do 100% oxygen and a non-rebreather mask.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_03: So it's the mask that you wear with the oxygen, not the little nose cannulas that go in.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_03: Most people will already be on this before you even make the diagnosis because if you're short of breath, you're getting oxygen.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_03: So you don't have to wait to confirm the diagnosis.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_03: And really severe cases might actually require bariatric or hypobaric chambers because what happens is the pressure squeezes the oxygen to make it more pressured to get into your tissues a little better.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's pretty cool.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for unlocking a new fear.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: How the fuck are you afraid of that?
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's not something you just randomly walk into.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't like health things.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know that.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_02: That was informative, though.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't know all that.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: So you're just air heating in your house.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: You can't get it.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_03: You don't know that.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: I do.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: I I have a base understanding of how heating and air conditioning works.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: You're not at risk.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if you brought your car inside and turned it on and sealed all the rooms in like your kitchen and hung out in there with a hose, maybe you would have some problems, but even then crack a window.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: Jesus.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_03: Well, to be fair, carbon monoxide is odorless and tasteless.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, tasteless.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's more it's odorless and tasteless, but in my example, you'd have a car in the kitchen.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think you'd have a good indicator to open the window.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_02: Ah, that pesky car coming into my kitchen again.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh God, what we really need to move out of this apartment.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: There's another car parked in here.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: I did it, but I still want to move.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I I have a few questions if if that's okay.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_03: I can try to answer them.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: First thing on the odorless and tasteless, you g give us some common causes besides car, because like I've been around car exhaust.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sensitive to smell.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like the smell of car exhaust, so I think I'd get it.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: What else?
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_03: Probably the most common is actually a fire.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_03: Like being caught in a fire, like in a house or somewhere else.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_03: That's usually one of the things that's usually what kills people in a fire as opposed to being lit on fire.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um, it's usually the carbon monoxide that kills them first.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_03: Gotcha.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_03: Another one is kerosene heaters, people using kerosene heaters in their house instead of using regular house like regular heaters.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_03: That's another really common one.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: We use one of those growing up, and I never understood why my mom was so into it.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_03: Me neither.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: Other question I have, and this is from the dumb, uneducated person in the room.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: Say, say I know I was exposed to carbon monoxide.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: I got hit over the head and was knocked out for a few minutes, and like there was a fire, and I got out.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: Should I still go to the hospital or would just like breathing fresh air be fine?
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: Because you were talking about the like the rebreather mask on to really dope up your oxygen.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: Can you just say more about that?
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_03: I'll say if you're caught in a fire and you have been in the fire, yeah, you should go get checked out.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um a lot of it is you a lot of things in medicine is are you symptomatic?
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_03: Do you have symptoms?
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_03: If you don't have symptoms, I won't say you shouldn't go, but it's less likely that you'd need to.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_03: But if you're caught in a fire, go to the hospital.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: Gotcha.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I had one other question on something you said.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you said your blood pH has to be a specific pH.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: Can you say more about that?
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I I I think I know the answer to this one.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: So leading question, I apologize.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: Alkaline water is bullshit, right?
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_03: Your body tightly regulates your pH.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_03: So it's not anything that's going like you can't ingest something that is going to matter to your blood pH that much.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_03: A normal range for a blood pH is between 7.35 to 7.45.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_03: So 7.4 is the average.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_03: So if it gets much more lower or higher than that, you are like ICU sick.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: So one thing I do, one thing I do happen to know about like pH levels is they're extremely and exceedingly harder to change the higher and lower they go.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, because that scale is logarithmic and not linear, meaning every point of change is like 10 times harder to change.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like instead of adding one brick to a thing, you're adding like 10 bricks to a thing to make even like a 0.1 of a change.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: Your body breathes out carbon dioxide, so that would lower your pH.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: You would breathe in.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_03: I think you got that backwards.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_03: Well, carbon dioxide is an acid.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_03: So nope, you're right.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_03: You're right.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, low lower is acidic, higher is alkaline, and you the only thing in the world that exists that's actually neutral is distilled water.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: But honestly, as soon as you open the cap on distilled water, it becomes acidic.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like lab, like lab settings is the only thing for uh acidic water is that that exists for distilled water.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's like technically theoretical from like what I've read.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like as soon as you open distilled water, it becomes like 6.9 because just there's enough carbon dioxide in the air to drop it.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: But it won't like change it.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's um so like don't worry about your blood pH, is kind of my takeaway there.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like if your blood pH is fucked, you're just dead, right?
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's things that like if you're diabetic, you can go into keto acidosis.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_03: So the blood the sugar in your blood actually makes it so acidic that you start to like try to breathe off the CO2 to lower your to lower your uh acid level.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: So that's something daddy beef has to worry about.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_02: Diabetic ketoacidosis, super cadjoufratilysis, expialidocious.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I thought when you said that.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, yeah, that's not it.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh do you guys have any other stuff you wanted to bring up in this one?
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Or Garney, do you have any questions?
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_03: Go to your questions.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, lay it on us.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I promise these are the most professional questions you're gonna hear from me ever, and as I stall for time to go through my notes.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely have notes on here that I took.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I think this one is for Garnet.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: You get an email like what Danny got in the beginning of the movie.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: You should just like call them, right?
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what are the ground rules for a well check, especially when someone is like bipolar?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: And could you talk about bipolar one versus bipolar two?
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: And if there's other versions of bipolar that I don't know about, could you talk about that?
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I would just I would dial 911 immediately.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: Like if I saw that and try to get in contact with the person, but I'd call for paramedics first.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like, because that's that whole thing is very concerning.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and obviously it was.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: So the difference between bipolar one and two is bipolar one is characterized more with um the severity level than two.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, usually someone who has one they end up being hospitalized inpatient.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying bipolar two doesn't, but they're more like rapid cycling.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_02: For bipolar one, it's more like you have a week straight of this and a week straight of that, or however many times with bipolar two, it's not like that.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's usually more subtle.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and it's mania versus hypomania.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so I usually describe it as bipolar one is the run off to Vegas, cheat on your spouse, spend all your money, fight your mother-in-law, and yeah, and and bipolar two is hey, sometimes I need less sleep and I can clean my house at 2 a.m.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's less severe.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_02: And then there's um how do I say it?
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_02: Cyclomania?
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: What a C cyclony.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that that's not our mood disorder.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's not bipolar, but it's a mood disorder that I gotta look it up.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_03: I haven't Yeah, I forget.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_03: I'm trying to it's been so long.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_02: I can't remember that one.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: I've had a client that's had that, but I remember the diagnosis.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: Is this like Laura's mom disease?
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: Or no, she's a histrionic.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: We will tell those stories at some point.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we will ask a guest to come on the show.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: Her mom or her.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe both.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_02: Her mom would love it.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_02: She loves the attention.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, she would.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, she would love it.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_03: So the difference is cyclothymic disorder is a chronic spectrum mood disorder, um, fluctuating pattern of numerous periods, uh, sub-threshold hypomanic.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_03: So behavior that's just below the threshold that you would characterize as hypomanic, and sub-thread threshold depressive symptoms.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_03: So kind of like it's bad, but it's not bad enough.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's bipolar too light.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not to be no disrespect, but it's like a lesser, it's like um how adjustment disorders, like if you have adjustment disorder with anxiety or depression, you don't have all the characterizations that would give you a major depressive disorder and anxiety disorder.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_02: So that's where adjustment is.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_03: And with adjustment, yeah, with adjustment disorder, isn't it?
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_03: There is something causing that.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: There's like a major event and you don't hit the full specifiers for either disorder.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_02: That's almost weird.
• 41:02
  unknown: All right.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna rapid fire the rest of these.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: My question is popping shrooms with the bros.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk pros and cons.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_03: My biggest thing would be Danny has some uncontrolled mental health problems, so she shouldn't be doing drugs.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_02: Nope, not at all.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: Especially if she was on psychiatric meds.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's a good way to get serotonin syndrome if you mess with certain things and you're on an antidepressant.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: I was at a uh festival last year.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: I did not do any drugs at this festival.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: I had exactly one beer because that's all I could afford.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: But someone offered me ecstasy and he said, or wait, was it ecstasy?
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it was one of those ecstasy party drugs.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: And he goes, Wait, are you on SSRIs?
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because this could kill you if you're on SSRIs.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_03: So that would be Molly.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Molly.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_02: Because it it hits the same receptors that an SSRI would hit.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_02: So it just overloads you.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and whole of fact, like, you don't know if it's really shrooms that you got in Sweden randomly by strangers.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_02: What if it was laced with something like fentanyl?
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh probably, yeah, but like that's why I say just don't like don't do it.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: Just just be it just be stay away from drugs unless like just just don't fucking kill yourself.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: So uh just random question here.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: Christian forgets Danny's birthday, she just lets it go after Pele gives her a drawing.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, how mad would you be at your significant others if they forgot that?
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_03: Mad.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_03: Pretty mad.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_03: And I'd be confused.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_03: You're better at remembering birthdays than I am.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, brain damage.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I just I I am scared to think of how smart you would be if you didn't have clinical diagnosed brain damage.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a cooper villain.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's what my mom used to literally say she would be Lex Luther if I Why would I be evil?
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_03: Why would the brain damage make me good?
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: Did you ever read Bizarro?
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't remember.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's uh no.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: My mom used to said I I'm glad she's not evil because she would just be Lex Luthor, and also if she didn't have the brain damage, like how many concussions did you have?
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like 50?
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: Six sticks.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_02: 56?
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, sex, no, just six six because okay, yeah.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_02: I thought you said 56.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_02: I was like seriously concerned.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: So uh stupa.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: What's the mechanism that actually, you know, kills you here?
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: How does that work?
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_03: So I mean, it's gonna be blunt Porsche trauma.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_03: So basically, your body, you're a bag of fluids, and if you drop a bag from big enough, it's gonna rupture.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_03: I actually looked up what the lethal fall height is, and it's about four to six stories for a standard adult.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's forty to sixty feet.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_03: Probably.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I could jump out our bedroom window and live.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you could probably be you know, messed up.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_02: You wouldn't Want to live, but yeah, good.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then all the medical debt you'd be in, bro, not worth it.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: I have a communication question for Garnet.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: Christian tells Josh he's doing his thesis on the exact same thing he's doing.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: Can you talk about the communication issues here?
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: Josh lays it out pretty well.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have anything you can add where, like, he was saying you're just piggybacking off me and you're not really passionate about this?
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have anything to add to that one?
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_02: Just from watching it, I just think Christian is a dude who's just like an opportunist, and there's not a lot to him emotional debt-wise.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think he was just doing whatever he could opportunistically, like with the thesis, like no creativity, no nothing.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: I just I don't know if it's a communication issue so much as it's like a him personality issue.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you're doing this, oh I'm doing this too.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_02: What the hell?
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: Is that something you would like work to work on some within talk therapy?
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_02: I've worked on a lot of what like assertiveness.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_02: Assertiveness, making things clear, trying to like have fair fighting rules so you're not like insulting each other, that type of stuff.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, cool.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: Could you give us an example of maybe how you could mediate this situation by any chance?
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_02: It might be talking about each other's feelings and then what you want to see different, but like concretely so.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_02: So like having what's the other guy's name?
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: Josh.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: Josh.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: Josh.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: So Christian is the douchebag boyfriend.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: Josh is the dude who's actually there.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: He's the one who goes, wait, actual artist stupor.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so maybe having him use eye statements about how he feels and what he would like to see different regarding the relationship.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: But the thing is, like, that doesn't guarantee somebody is going to listen to you.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe trying to set boundaries in different ways with it.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it Christian's just like a cheating jerk, like in two different ways.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_02: Taking his ideas.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_03: There's only banging that.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_03: There's only so much you can do if someone's an asshole.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_02: Basically, and the thing too is like when you have clients, you gotta keep in mind you're getting their perspective and their perception with things, but that doesn't always mean it's a hundred percent reality of what's happening.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: And we're all influenced by our perceptions, it's not just clients, obviously.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_02: So maybe in Christian's perception, he's not stealing anything.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: I I think Christian just has the personality of wet bread, and it just yeah, a wet mop.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: And it just kind of shows how yeah, drywall.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_00: And it just kind of shows how beat down Danny is because I would not stay with this dude.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like he he just does not seem like a good dude.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm just yeah, they they're basically trauma bonded, or at least she's trauma bonded to him, right?
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oh like so many messed up things have happened to her that she's just clinging to whatever thing that she can to get to shore, even if that thing is like a shark.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's basically the whole thing with them, too.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's just codependent and out of almost like survival.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, one of the townsfolk uses Mark's face as a hat.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_00: How realistic is that?
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_00: Furthermore, could Homeboy live very long without a face?
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_03: No, you would definitely have a lot of fluid loss and blood loss.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_03: So I would assume that that kind of de-gloving of the face would be fatal.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_03: Could also fuck with your airway.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_03: And airway is one of the things that's most important for you.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_03: As far as removing someone's face, yeah, that's been done.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_03: There's actually been face transplants done.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think you're gonna live long having it removed, but all right.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Garnet, I think I kind of told you about this one a while ago.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know anything about uh Foi de Foi?
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: Foi Delu Shared Delusions.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever the name of that stupid Joker sequel was.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_02: That.
• 48:13
  unknown: Yeah.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like, is there any like actual basis to that nonsense?
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's um known as delusional disorder now with the DSM 5.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_02: That's what it it is.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's not really about like a shared experience.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_00: It is it kind of one of those things where like, say I invite like three of my friends to sit or sit around, uh, you know, drink beer with me.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_00: We're at the campfire, and I go, hey, look at that moose.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_00: And they're all like, I'm liquored up, so I see that moose, and there's no moose.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of how I always interpreted that one.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, delusional disorder is just it's basically just having false beliefs, maybe limited hallucinations.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it could range anything from like you think the FBI's after you, um, convinced somebody is unfateful or going to kill you, thinking that you're grandiose, like you're some grand what the Joker did, like some grandiose figure that everybody thinks is rich and famous.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_02: And the whole um second person thing, though, is no longer like recognized with DSM.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_02: So if anything, it would probably just be someone who is easily swayed by things that they're just believing that person's delusion, I would think.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: So typical cult bullshit.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you could say that.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I have one final question for y'all, and it's mostly a discussion topic.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_00: Blood eagle discuss.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: I knew that was your if I'm sorry, we can't have a podcast about midsummer midsummer and not talk about the blood eagle.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_03: If you're wondering, you would not be able to breathe.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_03: You need your diaphragm to breathe.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: So, so what are you rating on that?
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: That admitally accurate is zero.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_03: Zero out of ten.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_03: Could not do it.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_03: You need your diaphragm to pull down to help inflate your lungs without that muscle there to help you breathe.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_03: It's not happening.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's all I have to say about the Border Eagle yikes.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it looks cool as shit.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_00: Let's not let's not be false here.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_00: It looks cool.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_03: But oh yeah, it looks super cool.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: And horrifying blood eagle people.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_03: I don't imagine getting your lungs flayed out of your body would be pleasant.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: All right, do we have anything else to go over?
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_03: What?
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_03: No, I think we that's a wrap on Mid Samar.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks for tuning in, Vic.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_03: Where can we find you?
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_03: Uh where else can we find you?
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: Search comic books beyond everywhere on the internet.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm there except for the Nazi website.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: Blue Sky is where I mostly hang out.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: We're also on YouTube.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have an OnlyFans or a UPorn yet.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're working on those things at some point.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, what's uh what's next episode?
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_03: Uh next week we're going to tackle Halloween for Halloween.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's streaming on AMC, YouTube, and Apple TV.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_00: Any uh any guests on that one?
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_03: And Vic's gonna guest again because Halloween's one of his favorite classic horror movies.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it it's like my favorite horror movie.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_00: That was the one that I like really wanted to be on.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_00: This one I just agreed to be on and probably did a terrible job.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we both did a fantastic job.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_03: Well, thanks for tuning in.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_03: The Blood and Brains Podcast is produced and edited by my caring and adoring husband, Vic of Comics Book Beyond Podcast and YouTube channel.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_03: So send any complaints about the production to him.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's me.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_02: See you guys next time.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_02: I gotta go.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_02: My cat's screaming at the door.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_02: He's gonna break it down.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_02: I hear the doorknob.