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Calculating The Past, Present & Future With BEN WEINMAN From THE DILLINGER ESCAPE PLAN · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: This is Ben Wyman from the Dillager skate Plan and
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  Speaker 1: we will be heading over to Australia in August to
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  Speaker 1: do our first album, Calculaing Infinity in its entirety and
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  Speaker 1: we can't wait.
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  Speaker 2: Mantassy Ben, thanks for joining us today.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you my pleasure.
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  Speaker 2: So as you say, the Dillinger Escape playing recently announced
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  Speaker 2: in bono shows for Australia, starting in Perth on August
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  Speaker 2: tenth and hitting at a Lade in Melbourne, Sydney, before
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  Speaker 2: finishing in Brisbane on August is seven eighth. But pretty
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  Speaker 2: exciting times made it came out of the blow your
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  Speaker 2: note and expected it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. Yeah, it's been a lot of years and.
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  Speaker 1: It was something it was kind of a tough decision
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  Speaker 1: to make, but we're really sure. We're really glad we
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  Speaker 1: did it because we've been having a really good time.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned that you celebrating the release of your debut album,
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  Speaker 2: Calculating Infinity, so you will be playing that in full.
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  Speaker 2: But I get the impression of you guys out and
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  Speaker 2: the thought that it's going to be playing up front
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  Speaker 2: and back, you're going to be mixing up a bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So we also have been playing our an EP
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  Speaker 1: that we put out with the original singer before that
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  Speaker 1: called Under the Running Board, and then also cuts from
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  Speaker 1: our first, very first early early stuff that we did
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  Speaker 1: when we first started the band, and you know, then
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  Speaker 1: we're doing you know, we try to do some covers,
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  Speaker 1: a different cover every night, and just we're just having
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  Speaker 1: a good time up there, man. But it is definitely
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  Speaker 1: the first time we've done all that kind of early material,
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  Speaker 1: all back to back like that. So it's been interesting
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  Speaker 1: and challenging benchal because when you.
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  Speaker 2: Made those albums, I couldn't imagine you ever would have
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  Speaker 2: thought about playing him in there entirety, so there would
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  Speaker 2: have been songs on there that would have been studio specials.
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  Speaker 2: As has been difficult translating some of that live.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, honestly, when I was writing that stuff,
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  Speaker 1: I wrote it like I couldn't play any of it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Like I just was like, let me write
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  Speaker 1: songs I can't play, and then I better learn how
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  Speaker 1: to play. I better get good enough to play them,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, I mean, and there's you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, the later.
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  Speaker 1: Incarnation of the band did play some older songs from
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  Speaker 1: those albums, but there are a lot of them that
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  Speaker 1: we hadn't played in a very very long time, if ever,
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  Speaker 1: so those ones were definitely more challenging because we just
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  Speaker 1: didn't even have the muscle memory.
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  Speaker 2: True, so that the band is renowned for your live performances,
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  Speaker 2: bright like, are they still wild and spontaneous or is
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  Speaker 2: age mellowed you a little bit?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think it's I think the it's pretty
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  Speaker 1: wild up there, So it's pretty wild.
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  Speaker 3: It's pretty dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, And uh, it's definitely unpredictable, you know. Uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I have to say it's definitely still very unpredictable. We
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  Speaker 1: never ever think about performance or things like that. We
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  Speaker 1: always try and just be completely uninhibited expression. That's a
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  Speaker 1: very important to us. So like, you know, sometimes I
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  Speaker 1: don't even want to really look out at the crowd,
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  Speaker 1: even at sound check or anything.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to have any indication of what to expect.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, it's it's continued to be that way, although
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  Speaker 1: I think back in the day when we were first
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  Speaker 1: writing these songs, we had a lot more people looking
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  Speaker 1: at us with disgust than with uh than with enjoyment,
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  Speaker 1: so that that's different.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have to put yourself like in a mindset
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  Speaker 2: or Sosky psuchy together. I think, what do you guys
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  Speaker 2: do it? It's not human some of the you guys do,
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  Speaker 2: Like did you have to woke yourself up into that person?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? You know. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I guess like maybe the difference between me now when
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  Speaker 1: I was younger is I just maybe stretched my hands
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  Speaker 1: a little bit stuff like that, prepare a little more
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  Speaker 1: because you know, I'm like, oh man, I had some gluten.
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  Speaker 3: My hands don't work so good, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, But other than that, I think I think
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  Speaker 1: the for me, I can say one of the main
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  Speaker 1: aspects of turning on the dealing with your performance is
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  Speaker 1: that I'm always nervous. I'm never not nervous. I've never
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  Speaker 1: stepped on stage unnervous. So I think that feeling of
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  Speaker 1: I still feel to this day. Everyone out there is
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  Speaker 1: gonna hate us. You know, we're playing to a pack
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  Speaker 1: of wild wolves and it and it's just stayed with you.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's trauma from when we were younger, but
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  Speaker 1: like it does I feel like, you know, we wrote
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  Speaker 1: music that wasn't supposed to be enjoyed, and we really wrote.
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  Speaker 3: An album that was just for us and it ended
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  Speaker 3: up working. And so.
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  Speaker 1: I really feel that the fact that we're going out
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  Speaker 1: there still like not even knowing what the reception would
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  Speaker 1: be to some degree at least mentally, and the nerves
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  Speaker 1: is what turns it on, because you either you either
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  Speaker 1: get up on stage and like unleash the beast, or
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  Speaker 1: you just turn around and cover into a little ball
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  Speaker 1: and you know, play facing the drums, and so it's
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  Speaker 1: got to it's one or the other, you know.
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  Speaker 2: En true that now the album Calculating Infinity means so
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  Speaker 2: much to so many people around the world, bro, But
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  Speaker 2: to you personally, what does that album mean twenty six
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  Speaker 2: years later?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Well, for one, I can't believe how young I was
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  Speaker 1: when we were writing that.
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  Speaker 3: Stuff, Like.
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  Speaker 1: And I look at kids that age and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: you lazy fuck seriously, Like we were making Calculie Infinity
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  Speaker 1: and you're like cutting and pasting five rists and being
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  Speaker 1: calling a song you know.
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  Speaker 2: Stay true?
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  Speaker 1: Come on, man, you can do better than that, you
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  Speaker 1: know so, But.
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  Speaker 2: What are so many memories of making it? Like you do?
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  Speaker 2: You do you remember specific albums for different reasons?
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  Speaker 1: Definitely, And the main thing I remember about Calculate Infinity
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  Speaker 1: was that we had just started getting some local recognition
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  Speaker 1: and people started getting an expectation of what they wanted
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  Speaker 1: from us, or what they you know, thought we would produce,
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  Speaker 1: not only from a live show perspective because of the
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  Speaker 1: kind of the mythology of the band of being this wild,
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  Speaker 1: really crazy show, but also the fact that our music
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  Speaker 1: was so intense and extreme and you know, going in
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  Speaker 1: directions that people weren't used to, I guess, so we
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  Speaker 1: really had like kind of a unique vocabulary by the
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  Speaker 1: time we were going to finish this full length album.
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  Speaker 1: And right when that happened, our bass player was in
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  Speaker 1: a car accident and paralyzed, and then our other guitar
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  Speaker 1: player decided he was quitting the band.
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  Speaker 3: He never thought it would work out.
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  Speaker 1: He's kind of just want to commit and wants to
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  Speaker 1: go to school and do computers, so he like bailed.
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  Speaker 1: And it was just very stressful for me because now
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  Speaker 1: it was like we had created some pretty intense, really
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  Speaker 1: you know, kind of unique music, and now it was
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  Speaker 1: all on me to like play every instrument on the
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  Speaker 1: album except you know, the drums obviously, and for me
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  Speaker 1: and our drummer to like really push the envelope and
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  Speaker 1: and make music. So there I remember being really just
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  Speaker 1: being like having.
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  Speaker 3: Full on.
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  Speaker 1: Major imposter syndrome, like really feeling like, man, there's no
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  Speaker 1: way we can do this album.
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  Speaker 3: There's no way. You know. The other guitar player was
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  Speaker 3: a very guitar player than me.
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  Speaker 1: Our bass player was a prodigy and the coolest dude ever.
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  Speaker 3: What are we gonna do? You know?
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  Speaker 1: And I think I maybe overcompensated a little bit. And
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  Speaker 1: just like I just said again, like the nerves, you
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  Speaker 1: either cower into a ball or you just turn around
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  Speaker 1: and you attack and you go full on.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's that's that's what it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was like all right, once, once it was time
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  Speaker 1: to go, we just went in there and put everything
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  Speaker 1: into it, and we recorded that whole album to tape, not
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  Speaker 1: to pro tools. We weren't looking at a screen. There
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  Speaker 1: was no screen, you know. We did it in like
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  Speaker 1: two weeks. It was just it was a totally different time.
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  Speaker 1: So part of me feels like I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: we even did it, how we pulled it off, and.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure we could even do that again. And
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  Speaker 3: they rand that time right.
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  Speaker 2: The Dillinger escape Plane formed in New Jersey in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety seven with yourself, Adam Christ and dimitry. So what
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  Speaker 2: was a musical climate like that gave birth to the
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  Speaker 2: Dillinger escape Plane And when did you fit into the
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  Speaker 2: scene when you first came into it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we didn't fit in really well at all.
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  Speaker 1: We came from a little town that didn't have much
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  Speaker 1: of a scene, but there was in New Jersey a
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  Speaker 1: lot going on on the underground, and so we would
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  Speaker 1: travel around to different college towns like New Brunswick, and
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  Speaker 1: we'd go to the city, New York City.
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  Speaker 3: It was a short chain ride.
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  Speaker 1: For us, and we'd see all these bands, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: they were very kind of formulaic. So we had heard
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  Speaker 1: about all the band the hardcore and punk bands coming
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  Speaker 1: from DC and New York. And there was the bands like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Bad Brains and Black Flag from the
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  Speaker 1: West Coast, and bands like the Chromags and Agnostic Front
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  Speaker 1: from New York that were dangerous and unpredictable and pushing limits.
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  Speaker 1: But by the time we started playing in that scene,
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  Speaker 1: everything was kind of not that dangerous, not that unpredictable.
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  Speaker 1: It was a lot of bands writing music that they
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  Speaker 1: thought like sounded like that, but it didn't have the
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  Speaker 1: the passion or the the the like emotion behind it.
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  Speaker 3: It was just like, we like this band, let's make
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  Speaker 3: a punk band.
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  Speaker 1: You know a lot of a lot of people who
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  Speaker 1: were just more into an agenda or like a political thing,
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  Speaker 1: or it was vegan, or they were a Christian metal band,
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  Speaker 1: or there was all these kind of different things going on.
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  Speaker 1: So we really had just given up on our previous bands,
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  Speaker 1: and Dillinger was really kind of like, all right, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to put everything that has influenced us from like
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  Speaker 1: technical music, infusion and electronic music, and then apply it
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  Speaker 1: to this scene where you can play in a basement
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  Speaker 1: and just play wherever and have a show in front
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  Speaker 1: of whoever. You can do the show yourself, you can
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  Speaker 1: put out the music yourself. So there was that Diy
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  Speaker 1: element that we liked, and ultimately we wanted to create
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  Speaker 1: that unpredictability and that danger that we heard about, and
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  Speaker 1: in order to do that we had to do something
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  Speaker 1: more extreme, different polarizing like those bands did in the
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  Speaker 1: eighties and seventies, and.
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  Speaker 2: Settle tarl and Erra coming up with her saying like,
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  Speaker 2: how much of what you started off with did you cape?
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  Speaker 2: And how did you know what was right? I guess
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  Speaker 2: came back then because no one else was really doing
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  Speaker 2: it as well anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I tell people all the time, like kids
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  Speaker 1: asked me about music and things. I'm like everyone, the
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  Speaker 1: most original bands typically just imitate poorly, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: then it becomes something original. Unfortunately, we live in a
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  Speaker 1: time now where there is a blueprint of how to
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  Speaker 1: do everything.
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  Speaker 3: You could look on.
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  Speaker 1: YouTube or and just you have the blueprint, which I
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  Speaker 1: think does limit originality. But yeah, I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: like it's a lot of happy accidents and things that
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  Speaker 1: are really naturally happening because of the group of people together,
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  Speaker 1: the music we're listening to and what we're doing, and
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  Speaker 1: it ends up turning into something that doesn't exist and
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  Speaker 1: you have to just recognize that and say, oh.
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  Speaker 3: That actually is a part of our vocabulary.
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  Speaker 1: Now, maybe we intended it to be more like this,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe by the time we all messed with it
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  Speaker 1: and you know, kept messing with it and didn't Maybe
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  Speaker 1: we had limitations, we didn't have the same gear that
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  Speaker 1: other people had, or so in an attempt to kind
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  Speaker 1: of incorporate all our influences in a way that didn't
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  Speaker 1: sound like different genres, we wanted to sound like one
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  Speaker 1: piece of music that was influenced by everything that we
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  Speaker 1: were listening to, and so doing that and making a
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  Speaker 1: lot of mistakes and then recognizing the mistakes and be
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  Speaker 1: like that's cool, that's our thing, and continuously building on
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  Speaker 1: that vocabulary, I think is really what created our sound.
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  Speaker 2: Nice And you mentioned like the difficult is you faced personally,
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  Speaker 2: like with the member changes earlier on, but Dimitry left
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  Speaker 2: after calculating infinity, so that would have been Was that
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  Speaker 2: a difficult period for you?
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  Speaker 3: It was because you know, we started the band together and.
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  Speaker 1: He was one of my best friends. He still is
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  Speaker 1: one of my best friends, so it was it was
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  Speaker 1: it was an exciting time. It was a scary time.
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  Speaker 1: We were really about to embark on a period of
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  Speaker 1: our lives where we were throwing everything to.
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  Speaker 3: The side in order to do this.
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  Speaker 1: I had like a corporate job and stock options and
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  Speaker 1: all that stuff, and like a steady girlfriend and we
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  Speaker 1: just I just we just let it all go to go.
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  Speaker 1: Just like sleep on benches and sleep on people's floors
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  Speaker 1: and like really push this as far as possible because
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  Speaker 1: we were in a position where we were getting opportunities
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  Speaker 1: that we never thought we would get, but they weren't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily like financially viable things. So we had to make
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  Speaker 1: the choice to really just suck it up and just
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  Speaker 1: do it because so many bands would have loved these opportunities.
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  Speaker 1: We were getting offers to play in like Japan on
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  Speaker 1: a festival or something like that, and at some point
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  Speaker 1: we're like, we got to quit our jobs and we
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  Speaker 1: just got to go do this.
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  Speaker 2: And of course you got Greg into the band after that.
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  Speaker 2: But what was the selection process like for a new singer, Like,
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  Speaker 2: did you did you hold everyone up against the maitre a?
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  Speaker 2: Were you looking for someone with a beta pizzazz themselves?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, while we were
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  Speaker 1: looking for a singer, we we we did an EP
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  Speaker 1: with Mike Patton and that was interesting because we toured
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  Speaker 1: with Mike Patten and Mister Bungle with Dimitri in the band,
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  Speaker 1: and we had a great time. We became friends with
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  Speaker 1: those guys, really inspired. Patton was always a real advocate
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  Speaker 1: for us and a fan of what we were doing.
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  Speaker 1: And then when we were in this transition period, we
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  Speaker 1: had a couple of songs I sent him to Mike.
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  Speaker 1: He was into him, and we decided to just like
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  Speaker 1: do this kind of EP, this like Dillinger featuring Mike
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  Speaker 1: Patton thing. And I think because people trust Mike to
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  Speaker 1: do they he kind of has a license to do
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  Speaker 1: whatever he wants over music. You know, there's not many
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  Speaker 1: often like melodics. Singing over heavy music can be rather cheesy,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like you know, this is kind of not
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  Speaker 1: often into it. It could be pretty bad, but someone like
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  Speaker 1: Mike can make it always cool and good. So having
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  Speaker 1: someone like Mike sing over that kind of music and
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  Speaker 1: do so much diversity Korea a scenario where we both
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  Speaker 1: had a license now to do so much more moving forward,
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  Speaker 1: but we also had some pretty hard shoes to fill,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so we definitely wanted somebody who could do
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  Speaker 1: everything Dmitri was doing but also take us, you know,
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  Speaker 1: into the future and do.
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  Speaker 3: New things as well.
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  Speaker 2: Oh nice, And then your Dementric got back up with
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  Speaker 2: you for two shows just before the eight year hiatus
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  Speaker 2: of the band on December twenty eight and twenty nine
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  Speaker 2: and three thy seventeen. So what was that like that
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  Speaker 2: like at that point in time, could you feel the
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  Speaker 2: seeds of a potential reunion going or was it just
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  Speaker 2: strictly one off?
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  Speaker 1: Then No, there was no thought of doing reunion at all. Honestly, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: It was not one of those things where band breaks
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  Speaker 1: up just in order to get back together. Yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: you know, one of those tricks.
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  Speaker 3: You know. Really, it was never anything like that. We
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  Speaker 3: were done.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I was done at least. I was very
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  Speaker 1: very adamant about that. I even got a tattoo that
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  Speaker 1: said like Dillinger Rip twenty seventeen, so that it was
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  Speaker 1: like final, Like this was, you know, a thing like
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  Speaker 1: I was not going to add a show, or it
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  Speaker 1: was like this is it twenty years?
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  Speaker 3: That is it? That's it? You know, it was.
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  Speaker 1: And I will say it was really fun seeing him
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  Speaker 1: up there in front of that many people, and he
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  Speaker 1: sounded great, and it really felt like a great ending
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  Speaker 1: and it all brought it all together in a nice way.
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  Speaker 1: But they're definitely the majority of people who got in
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  Speaker 1: this band never got to see those songs, and certainly
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  Speaker 1: not with him. So when the twenty fifth anniversary came
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  Speaker 1: around and people were coming to us asking us, it
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  Speaker 1: just kind of felt good.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Tary, what have.
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  Speaker 2: You done with the tiny and Amra? Have you got
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  Speaker 2: a cover up or have you changed it?
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  Speaker 1: Man? I still feel like that was the death of
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  Speaker 1: the band and this is more like a celebration of
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  Speaker 1: our past, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, any very cool?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think, like how much this reunion tour is
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  Speaker 2: fueled by fans design to have the band back, and
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  Speaker 2: how much is yours fun finished business?
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  Speaker 1: I guess well the first show, we put the first
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  Speaker 1: show on sale, and it was really quickly that we decided.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't even that much time between like feeling, you know,
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  Speaker 1: agreeing to do this and actually announcing it, and we
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  Speaker 1: we ended up like we knew we might do two
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  Speaker 1: nights if it did well, you know, but it ended
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: up selling out three nights in like an hour or
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: something like very like just instantly, and that was super
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: surprising because it ended up doing far better than even
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: our final Dilander shows. So the fact that there were
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: so many people who wanted to see this, even in
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: this form of the band, and and we did.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: There was so much more movement.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, the final shows were exciting and the tickets
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: sold quick and like it was amazing, but like to
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: see that there was even more interest now, you know
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: than there was when we fully announced this is it,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: this is your last chance to see us.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: That's that's pretty that was pretty felt pretty crazy.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: And and so I think like the additional shows we've
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: been playing is definitely because of the fans, you know,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: and the fact that we're having a good time. We're
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: just having a good time together as friends and like
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: enjoying it. We're hanging out, you know, together, and we're
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: enjoying it, and we're playing music that was important to
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: our youth, and there's a lot of people who still
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: want to see it. So it's kind of like we're
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: playing it by ear. Like if there's a real need
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: for it and people really.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Want it, we entertain it. You know.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: There's no plan, we don't have a plan with it,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: but we're definitely not closing the door to playing shows
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: here and there.