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Joseph James DeAngelo Part I: The Man and the Mayhem · When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom

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  Hey everybody. It's your killer country.
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  My name is Brittany. Ransom.
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  Hey, my name is Brian Twitter and this is when Killers get
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  caught, a podcast of Otis deep dives into the Killer's.
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  We love to learn about each week bride.
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  And I discussed to True Crime Story that resonated with us and
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  then I'll lead you down the dark path of learning about who a
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  killer was how they grew up, how they killed and importantly, how
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  they got caught. And when Brian ends our podcast
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  with a touch of the Paranormal, a story about Cryptids or even
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  the creepier side of life. Just want to say, thank you so
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  much for listening to us. Normally, I'd say every week,
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  but in general, thanks so much for listening while we've been
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  gone. If you've been watching our Tech
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  talk or any other time, you know, that I had a little bit of
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  a people in my life and I need a couple weeks off, but now I'm in
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  my new apartment and it's super awesome.
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  I have a dedicated recording space and I'm very excited to be
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  back creating for you on here and tick-tock, Anyway, I'm just
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  and also a lot of work. Well, I mean, we do it together
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  so I do want to make it always hang on you but Yeah, but if you
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  do happen to hear any Echo, I am waiting on some soundproofing,
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  so sorry about that y'all. But this is for all the people
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  on Tick, Tock, who have been asking me for weeks, when's the
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  next episode it's now. Now, this is listen.
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  Now this week on True Crime I have an interesting story so
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  this is the mystery of a mother who went to the ER and she
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  vanished 32 years ago. Her name was Myrtle Brown and
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  she went to the hospital in Brooklyn in 1998, was May and
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  then her family never heard from her again.
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  Interesting, interesting, so wait, so the ER, she just
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  disappeared from, right? They like know what?
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  Her family never heard from her ever again.
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  So so weird to bring up Ebony Brown, who's her daughter
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  because she was 13 years old, when her mom went missing.
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  And so that may Myrtle Brown was in New York visiting her, best
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  friend and her purse was stolen her purse.
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  Had her epilepsy medication and all of her identification and
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  she ended up telling her family. Like I don't feel Well, I'm
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  going to go to the hospital, so they can give me epilepsy meds,
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  and so I can get back home. So, she ended up going the Kings
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  County Hospital in. Brooklyn to get a refill.
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  Her daughter said that she went by herself and I was the last
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  time they heard from her and four weeks like her grandparents
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  and other family members went to all the local police in
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  Brooklyn. They went to all of the
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  hospitals in the area and never got any answer.
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  Ebony her daughter said that she were as she wondered if maybe,
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  you know, like her Mom just wanted a different path in life.
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  You know, sometimes people do that especially back then when
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  she said she's really confused and sad.
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  But then 32 years later in April of this year Myrtle's brother,
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  Robert Brown was watching, NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt
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  and it aired a profile of the cold-case squad at New York
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  City. It was the the it's run by the
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  New York City office of chief medical examiner.
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  That person is dr. Angela solar.
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  And they had opened up something like 1250 unidentified persons
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  cases, and most of them were from the 90s.
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  Now in this report that Robert Brown was watching, he saw a
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  picture of a facial reconstruction like it was a
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  full statue like a clay model and he was like that could be my
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  sister. Is that my sister and so he and
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  his wife called the medical examiner's office and solar and
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  her team are like we'll look into it and so they take out the
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  record reconstruction and they're like, okay, this
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  absolutely would be a middle-aged black woman.
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  And it did match for all of the things, the family were telling
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  her, you know, her age when she might have disappeared or died
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  May of 1990. And for two months solar
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  reviews, all of these records they're called unverified
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  unknowns or missing. People with potential with a
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  potential name that has not been verified or confirmed.
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  She started her search on May 1st 1990 until she found who she
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  thought was Myrtle Brown on May 17.
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  T, but it turns out that that reconstruction wasn't Myrtle.
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  essentially, the contextual information matched, she passed
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  away in Brooklyn which matches with the family said, And so
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  pretty much the brown family's like, oh, well, thanks for
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  trying and but then they get a call from solar a couple more
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  weeks later. And she's like, no, we found
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  your sister. And and he's just like, she's
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  like, I think we found your sister.
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  The daughter was on the call and that even though that pick that
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  statue wasn't there, their mom, they did still find her mom in
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  the records. Okay, so yeah, they ended up
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  sending a photograph of her deceased and it was a very, a
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  perfect match. One of they would have taken at
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  the morgue since she was unidentified Myrtle, so murder
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  was 35. She didn't even get registered
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  or admitted to Kings County Hospital the most.
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  She hasn't been able to do before she had a seizure was
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  walk up to the counter. Give them her name and date of
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  birth and then she died in the like, emergency waiting room.
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  Yeah. They were able to hold a virtual
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  memorial for her because the families like not all the same
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  place now, but All that solar says she hopes from this
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  experience in the fact that they're talking about it now is
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  that this will encourage other people to come forward because
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  they are trying to do the work to find a lot of the missing
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  people. And I'm just saying these are
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  just the missing cases in Brooklyn.
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  Those 1,200, I'm sure that there's literally, every
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  Precinct has their own giant list in New York.
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  It's a massive massive state, but you know, but solar said,
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  Didn't end up being that individual with a recreation,
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  was based off of this did help us resolve a case and it did
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  make a difference and that's the point to get people to stop and
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  think for a moment and follow through and give us a phone
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  call. So in the end, it did have a
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  good ending. There you go.
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  There you go. You can so you Sounder who
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  technical your technology. Yeah, if it's really copies, got
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  to have the people to do the work because there's just so
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  many cold cases across the entire country and that's a lot
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  of money. And They got to get the funding
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  and people have to find Value in it.
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  So the more that they publicize, these cases of them actually
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  closing them, I think they can get more funds and, and show
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  that it is worth it to devote money too close to these cases
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  and giving people some level of cousre.
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  So what do you got for me? Brian.
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  Okay, so remember that. God goodness gracious.
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  What has happened? I don't know.
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  We talked about A little bit of Courtney clanny.
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  You remember her? Not by your name?
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  What's up? Do you remember?
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  Okay, well, she goes by and us her name is Courtney cause
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  Courtney Taylor. She's a oh the only fans lady
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  who killed the guy in Miami. There you go.
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  Yeah yeah I don't know her name but I know her face.
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  I have the picture of her sitting on her Little like the
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  sitting outside of her apartment covered in blood and handcuffed
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  on the floor and the dogs are around her.
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  Yeah, I have that picture on my phone.
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  Okay, so she is, there's no court hearing going on because
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  she's been, you know, she's accused of murdering her
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  boyfriend. Of course, she's being charged
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  with second-degree murder with a deadly weapon and, you know,
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  because as we should, I heard something I saw something about,
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  like they had, she was trying to get these tapes that they had
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  pulled from the apartment complex.
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  Her lawyer was trying to get them.
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  Cool. Some evidence.
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  Hold firm evidence. Because it didn't happen that
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  day and they're like, it doesn't matter if it happened that day.
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  But I'm like, bro. It's a picture of her, picking a
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  fight, and then, like, jumping on him, like the clips that they
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  released of it. I'm like, she was real violent.
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  Yeah, um. So there is something.
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  Okay, so there's a lot of if they're more, is it worse?
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  There's a ton of evidence like it just showing how abusive she
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  was in this relationship. I mean that's what the friend
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  said like her friends were like, I've never seen him do anything.
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  I've only ever seen her. Do ya, do ya?
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  Crazy shit, but no. Okay.
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  So you're so, this is Corey, right?
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  And guess the prosecutor. He's trying to get into evidence
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  a? I guess I think it was through
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  talking about some videotape. Yeah, it's a hallway outside.
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  Their apartment is like I said, yeah.
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  Teams fighting real hard because that's evidence that she's
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  abusive. Yeah, it's like is this happened
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  two months before his death? But it's like it shows a pattern
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  like exactly. Like, yeah, this is what she
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  does when she did this is actually pretty sure.
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  Yeah, exactly. And it's funny because it says
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  that not only do they have about 12,000 text messages between her
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  and her kind of see Beyonce but they also have her only fans
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  videos and photos are audio content from the social media
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  Pages stuff like that is that shows that, you know, that's
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  been recorded and that's how she acts.
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  And that's the type of person that she is.
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  And the, I guess the judge he's worried, is that so much
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  evidence against this one person?
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  Would make the process of getting a jury a lot harder
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  because it's, it's gonna make the trial outlandish tyumen.
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  One of the cases we cover didn't, I think it was.
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  What's his name? The Dating Game Killer like
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  Alcala their react hundreds upon hundreds, upon hundreds of pages
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  of evidence. It's a lot and it's a lot to
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  make a jury sit through. Yeah, I like, I get that but I'm
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  like what? There's so much evidence that
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  they have couldn't make it so much harder, it's it's a concept
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  that's so weird to me because they got to go.
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  Do you at all? That's the same.
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  Yeah yeah I think there's a quote from her attorney.
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  It's a says to vigorously defend my client.
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  I'm not going to stand back and let her be a punching bag for
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  the media. This case needs to be tried in
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  this courtroom with Texans of a fair and impartial trial. and
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  just like I like, okay I get they have a right to a fair and
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  impartial trial but Known as evidence is stacked against, you
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  know, it's just like, well, I will say this, I don't know if
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  her only fans is really necessary right for her.
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  Like, because I think that's just going to try and paint her
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  in a negative way because she's a sex worker.
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  Yeah. That's probably.
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  That's what they did for. What's her freaking face Casey
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  Anthony? Yeah, I don't really think we
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  need that. But the absolutely the evidence
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  of her in public in the building where they lived attacking him,
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  not to mention that apparently you can hear.
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  Saying in the background of the 911 call when she called it.
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  Like he's still alive and he's like, I think I'm dying.
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  So yes he it's it's sad. Yeah well we'll see what happens
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  with that case. Hopefully you know hopefully we
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  hear more about it and you know, it's there's a nice conclusion
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  to this that everybody can agree on except for her.
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  She hasn't got a nice conclusion.
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  Yeah, exactly. That's why I got.
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  All right. So I think Brian that most of us
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  grew up hearing that cops were our friends.
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  Would you would you say that's fair?
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  Oh really? When you were little we're
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  talking about little they I would say even some people refer
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  to it as cop agam de many young children, very much love police
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  officers. Okay.
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  Yeah, and I guess yeah. So the media and American
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  society, if you police officers with a certain level of
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  reverence reserved for very few other entities, in our culture.
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  I mean, I've seen people look a doctor in the face and be like,
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  I know more than you. But definitely, there have been
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  little cracks, like the glowing disdain for police brutality
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  across the United States, the lack of action in The Case of
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  the, you all be Massacre three months ago, but I think for me,
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  probably the first thing that began destroy my belief and
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  police was when I learned how many of them were Killers.
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  Because remember, I started learning about True Crime when I
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  was about 12 years old, and this isn't a uniquely American thing.
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  Germany had normally pulk try. Had Zhang kg we covered the
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  beasts of the Ukraine and episode 14, Mikhail popkov.
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  And today we're going to be talking about one of the worst
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  in the US History. Joseph, James DeAngelo, a serial
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  rapist, killer burglar and police officer in California.
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  He started robbing, and raping people in 1974.
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  And I first knew about him on message boards, as EA are ons
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  the East area, rapist, original Night Stalker, His others call
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  them the pazzaglia ransack. ER but most of our followers
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  know him as the Golden State killer, which is the name that
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  stuck when the FBI reopened the investigation into finding him
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  in 2016, he get caught in 2018 and finally Fleet guilty on June
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  29th 2020. Yes, he was in court during
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  quarantine my covid. Wait, what?
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  Really? Yes.
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  Oh, yeah. And and he, shucked and jived,
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  but we're not going to talk about that yet.
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  That'll be next week because I had to break this into two parts
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  because this is, he's another one of these ones.
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  Like Gary Ridgway who really lived and actual double life And
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  so this week we're going to talk about mainly his upbringing, the
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  the crimes and and his family life.
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  And then next week, we will talk will go into much more detail
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  because the task forks and things just like with Gary
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  Ridgway these the people who are searching for him, searched for
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  him for a very long time and some people never gave up.
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  But before we get to how they caught him, let's start with
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  where we always start the beginning.
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  Joseph James, D'Angelo jr. Was born on November 8th 1945
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  and Bath. New York to his mother Kathleen,
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  Louise de Grote and Joseph D'Angelo singer, who was from
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  Watkins, Glen New York, and Kathleen was a waitress, when
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  they met, they got married, November 20th 1941 in New York,
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  he had three other siblings, backe, Connie and John Now
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  Joseph CR was a well-respected Airmen and their articles that
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  date back to like 1944, the star Gazette that showed that he flew
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  and raids across Europe. He had been given seven
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  different Metals, his dad but Joseph senior in Kathleen didn't
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  really make it even a decade before they split.
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  We don't have the exact dates but sometime after Joseph
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  Juniors brother John was born in 1949 the couple split up now,
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  there are some interesting accounts about Okay, we got to
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  pause the dogs freaking out. So I came across a few accounts
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  from Joe's family about our interesting incident that they
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  say might have shaped him in a tragic way.
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  So with Joseph senior being in the military active duty,
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  apparently they spend some time in German military bases when he
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  was young and they're his sister Connie was apparently sexually
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  assaulted by two men Now, the details are fuzzy at best, but
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  essentially Connie son, told the process in recent news and the
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  way you described it as it was kind of like one of those
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  horrible family, stories that people only whisper about that
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  Joe and his sister were playing an abandoned warehouse.
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  The attack happened in front of him and of course, this has
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  been. The only person who's talked
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  about this is Connie son and Plenty of psychiatrist have
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  waited on the story and think that, you know, seeing something
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  like this when he was so young, might have explained.
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  Why he grew up to have like a preoccupation with both law
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  enforcement and also turn into a rapist himself.
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  Connie is no longer alive so we can't really confirm if this
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  really happened but it's just a detail and we're not sure if
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  it's true or not. But regardless of that other
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  story, what we do know for sure is that after traveling with
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  Dad, they did put down roots in Rancho Cordova and a small tract
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  house. I had to look up.
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  Tract house was but tract. Housing is a Housing
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  Development, built in an area that's been subdivided into
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  different Lots. When I looked at pictures of
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  them, it reminded me of like those Suburban neighborhoods
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  where all the houses, look, the same and their rows and rows and
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  rows of them. Yeah, though, I guess the
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  correct term for those are tract houses.
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  The interesting thing though was that the D'Angelo family was so
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  poor that they heard, they owned virtually nothing in their home.
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  Even the kids beds were all rented from like a run, a center
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  type place. And I think that's poignant
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  because when Joseph senior went to Korea and then Florida and
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  never came back. All of the house and the items
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  in the things that the kids own had to be given back to the bank
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  and the lenders. Now, Joe's mom, eventually meets
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  a traveling welder, who had a wife and kids of his own and
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  says Southern California, and his name was Jack, the Sanko.
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  And he'd been in the Navy, I'm sure this illicit relationship,
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  didn't contribute to his divorce from his first wife, but in 1965
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  Kathleen and Jack got married. The marriage came much later
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  after the relationship because Jack moved, the family to till
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  are California and the 50s which did not make Teenage Joseph,
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  very happy mainly because he was suddenly responsible for helping
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  the kids in the family. Lee not just his brother and
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  sister. But also Jack's kids too because
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  he was the oldest kid. And this caused a huge Rift in
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  the relationship with his mother and the two.
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  Got into a lot of very big fights about it.
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  During this time when he was at Mills Junior High School, he
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  made friends with a girl named Judy about 1959.
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  And he started hanging out with Judy and her brothers who he
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  also do from school. He started calling Judy's,
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  parents Mom and Dad spent as much time as he could with them,
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  Judy had a huge family and her parents treated Joe.
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  Stuff, like he was kid. Number 10.
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  Now Rancho Cordova was very much, a town, not even halfway
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  built up at this point, it actually wasn't fully
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  Incorporated until July 1st 2003.
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  So, pretty much Judy's brothers and Joseph just ripped and ran
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  through all these abandoned Vineyards in the area, the town
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  got big or I guess, big and quotation marks after World War
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  Two Soldiers, came back from war and they got their War money and
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  start building homes there. But they spent their time, you
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  know, Finding frogs bugs jumping in the car.
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  Mal's occasionally beating up people who mess with their
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  friends and we're gonna see Joseph's first relationship.
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  Let down happens in Rancho Cordova, he could have been very
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  old but apparently his schtick was that he liked to steal Jan,
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  and work on cars in his teens. And at some point during that
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  time, he met one of Judy's friends and he kind of fixated
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  on her a little bit and he took her to a cabin in the woods in
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  the area to drink and like hang out which seems like a very team
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  thing to do. And then he asked her to marry
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  him. And she was like, I barely know
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  you. No thanks.
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  He exactly like your teenagers. So Joe's, only real sexual
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  information came from Judy's mom who one time sat down all of the
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  Suns and had a talk with the boys about, you know, the birds
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  and the bees. Now, Joseph lack of experience
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  with the girls and a tendency to go too far too fast.
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  When courting leads to a lot of heartbreak and not many
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  girlfriends, which is why he started peeping.
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  During this time, he even looked in Judy's window one night and
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  it scared the absolute crap out of her but she didn't recognize
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  him because he had a hood up. we can we can mark this as a
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  checkmark and showing a predilection for deviancy in his
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  teen years since his capture and conviction friends and family,
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  have told the press that while Joseph was in high school at
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  them at Folsom High School, he did commit some small burglaries
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  and he was also known to harm animals, another checkmark in
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  the MacDonald Triad Now, his time at Folsom, High Schools,
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  pretty short-lived. He started in 1961 and by 1964.
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  He dropped out got his GED and he joined the Navy.
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  Judy's older brother, had done the same thing like the year
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  before and the two are best friends.
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  So maybe he just wanted to be like his buddy.
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  Not his time in the Navy was as good as any persons time to be
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  when you finished basic and immediately gets shipped off to
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  Vietnam. He was called it was a damage
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  controlman second class and he served on both the USS kambera
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  and the USS Piedmont and he finished his time in the Navy in
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  good standing after a 22-month tour and went back to normal
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  civilian life. He always like to tell people
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  that he lost part of his finger in the war, but it was literally
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  like a machine accident. Like it wasn't because like
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  anybody caught him, but he liked to let people think that it was
• 23:13
  more important than it was. Now, at this point his
• 23:18
  stepfather Jack is working at Sierra Crane and hoist as a
• 23:21
  welder. Joseph decided he was like, I'm
• 23:24
  gonna go to college and a lot of young men after Vietnam did that
• 23:28
  my dad did that. I mean at that point the, the GI
• 23:32
  bill was actually said in people to college and paying for their
• 23:35
  way to live. So he starts at Sierra College
• 23:38
  in Rocklin, California in 1968 and he gets his.
• 23:41
  So to go get his associates degree and political in police
• 23:44
  science. Which is a degree.
• 23:48
  I didn't know existed. And after finishing that he'd
• 23:51
  end up going to Sacramento State University and he begins his
• 23:54
  studies. There in 1971.
• 23:56
  I'm gonna say the First Line in the Sand that show that Joseph
• 23:59
  is not, a good guy starts in college in this gap.
• 24:02
  Before he starts school at Sacramento State, he met and
• 24:05
  started dating a girl named Bonnie.
• 24:06
  Jean Caldwell and Bonnie's parents were a high school
• 24:09
  principal in a former teacher. So they expected a lot of
• 24:12
  academic Excellence from Bonnie, she had three siblings who were
• 24:15
  all class president. They want School, Bonnie was the
• 24:17
  class Treasurer. She was a really good pianist
• 24:20
  who volunteered once a week with Vietnam vets.
• 24:23
  And when she was in high school, boys, didn't really care a lot
• 24:26
  for her. So when she needs Joe at Sierra
• 24:29
  College, she's in experience for a little hopeful.
• 24:33
  Now, he's presenting himself as this hardened vet.
• 24:38
  Who lost his finger in the war, Mind you he was like a carpenter
• 24:42
  on these ships but he did not correct anyone when they
• 24:47
  showered him with praise for a vet for being a Vietnam.
• 24:51
  Vet. They're like you were in the
• 24:52
  jungle and he's like, yeah, totally.
• 24:57
  That's what I did. So bodies.
• 25:00
  Excellent students. Thank you for your service
• 25:02
  honors cheated people work as a lab assistant, that's actually
• 25:05
  how the who's, right? So Joseph study in this like,
• 25:09
  you know, Science police science and she's working in a lab in
• 25:14
  the lab with animals. They have no reason to be in the
• 25:17
  same building at all, but he's there.
• 25:21
  And they meet, she likes him, he's into her.
• 25:24
  The two were an odd pairing though.
• 25:27
  Bonnie was bookish. And Joseph wasn't so, Bonnie,
• 25:33
  actually spent a lot of their relationship tutoring him.
• 25:35
  In school Bonnie's friends were like, he's old because remember,
• 25:42
  she's like 18, all her friends are 18, 19 year old freshman,
• 25:47
  and he's easily for years older than them to try and make up.
• 25:51
  I said he didn't want to be like, the weird old guy.
• 25:53
  He was always, Ultra, nice, try to be very funny.
• 25:57
  People study, gave off a James Dean Vibe, he wore like faded
• 26:00
  jeans t-shirts suede boots on Bonnie's.
• 26:04
  Father, stand Caldwell learned about the two of them dating.
• 26:08
  He was not into it. He didn't like the Joseph was
• 26:11
  older, but Bonnie was on her independent tip and she was
• 26:14
  like, I can do what I want with my life.
• 26:16
  You're not gonna stop me from beating somebody.
• 26:20
  Now when Stan got to meet Joseph and he learned that he was a
• 26:25
  Vietnam vet, he was like, okay, maybe he's not that bad because
• 26:29
  Dan was a World War, Two vet now, Bonnie had four younger
• 26:33
  brothers, who really likes Joseph and he had a blue Road,
• 26:37
  Runner with a Hemi engine and so, they were always very
• 26:40
  interesting. He take the younger brothers on
• 26:42
  trips to a drive-in, he'd offered to fix things for the
• 26:46
  boy, since he was good at that kind of thing.
• 26:48
  And even if he like fixed it, and And work well and it like
• 26:52
  broke or exploded. They all thought it was
• 26:54
  hilarious. So, Now, they're in this
• 26:58
  relationship and Joseph starts wearing Bonnie's class ring on
• 27:01
  his pinky finger and in Public Heath up gentlemen, but in
• 27:06
  private Bonnie finds his desires for sex to be overwhelming.
• 27:11
  She would later tell Sacramento prosecutors that while he was
• 27:14
  persistent he never forced her and always waited for her to
• 27:18
  say, yes, which I still really grating because I don't like it.
• 27:32
  Yeah. Yeah exactly.
• 27:35
  But she did also tell them that sex with Joe was like, being
• 27:38
  like just stop bugging me about it.
• 27:40
  She go alone Every time they had sex, a detail that would Connect
• 27:49
  into some of his victims later in life, shortly, after they
• 27:52
  started having sex, Joseph gives bonding a judgment ring, no
• 27:56
  proposal or a man's just like, here you go.
• 27:58
  You're mine now. Their engagement, even ran the
• 28:01
  local paper Bonnie's. Not sure she wants to marry this
• 28:05
  guy. She's 18 years old, but she's
• 28:08
  like, if I get married that, I don't have to go back home to my
• 28:10
  dad, so she's like, Okay. The stone bothered her too
• 28:15
  because he said he found it in Vietnam.
• 28:17
  It was huge and he had put it in this strange setting.
• 28:21
  It wasn't like shave down or anything so that when Bonnie was
• 28:24
  trying to do her like medical work as a nurse or in nursing
• 28:27
  training, she'd have to turn the ring to the inside of her Palm.
• 28:33
  She never got the chance to even tell him what she wanted for a
• 28:36
  ring and the longer they dated, the more she realized that he
• 28:40
  was just, it was weird addicted to breaking the rules and doing
• 28:43
  things that were against the law or dangerous from Tate like
• 28:48
  hopping having when they were on, the hike is motorcycle.
• 28:51
  He would take these like paths that were scary, and she would
• 28:54
  be on the motorcycle with him. So he was scaring the crap out
• 28:57
  of her or like he was like, you should learn how to hunt, you
• 29:00
  know, protect yourself and stuff and so then he would take her
• 29:03
  too. Places where it was illegal to
• 29:04
  hunt and then he would always be trespassing.
• 29:08
  All right, he would spear fish and Folsom Lake which is also
• 29:11
  illegal. He would go hunting for Animals
• 29:13
  outside of hunting season. So so the spring of 1971,
• 29:20
  they're pretty much Junior disappoint.
• 29:23
  Joseph asks body to cross a line, that's too much for her.
• 29:27
  He's failing abnormal psychology and he needs this class to pass
• 29:31
  for the the criminal justice. He asks her to cheat and
• 29:35
  Bonnie's like no. He even tried to do it without
• 29:40
  her permission because I guess they were in the same class and
• 29:43
  she's just like, no, I'm not letting you cheat off of me.
• 29:46
  He is livid and this becomes a major issue in their
• 29:48
  relationship for Joseph. He's just like, you owe it to
• 29:51
  me. We're going to get married one
• 29:52
  day. Once I make it onto the
• 29:54
  California Highway Patrol, So the night things, explode,
• 29:59
  Bonnie's that our parents living room and she calls them.
• 30:03
  And she's like, we need to talk and she breaks it off with him
• 30:06
  and he's like, what I love, you were meant to be together were
• 30:08
  perfect together and Bonnie's just like, we're not a good fit.
• 30:11
  I've already decided, she gives him back.
• 30:13
  The engagement ring, Joe is losing his shit.
• 30:18
  He actually throws the ring into the backyard in front of the
• 30:20
  family and Bonnie, and her brothers ended up looking for,
• 30:23
  but they never found it. They weren't even sure he
• 30:26
  actually really through it. Now a couple nights later,
• 30:31
  Bonnie wakes up and there is a tap tap, tap on her window.
• 30:35
  She moves the curtain and there is Joseph holding a gun against
• 30:41
  the glass. It is right in line with her
• 30:43
  face and he looks at her and he goes get dressed.
• 30:46
  We're going to Reno Bonnie, turns and runs straight into our
• 30:56
  families bedroom, and she's just like Joe's outside.
• 30:58
  He has a gun. He wants me to go to Reno and
• 31:00
  Miriam right now. And her dad's like going to the
• 31:03
  bathroom, lock the door, I'll come get you when I'm done.
• 31:07
  And the dad goes out to go talk to Joseph.
• 31:09
  The cops, never get called and Bonnie believes.
• 31:12
  The reason her dad didn't call the cops is because it would
• 31:15
  have ruined his future and becoming a police officer.
• 31:18
  But about two hours later. That knocks on the bathroom door
• 31:22
  and sees, like Joseph's gone. He never told her.
• 31:26
  What happened over those two hours, the rest of the family
• 31:28
  didn't even know what happened. Bonnie, so freaked out.
• 31:33
  She's dropped out of school for the rest of the summer and
• 31:35
  changes her major to lab Sciences.
• 31:38
  She gets married to an account in 1972, and she sees Joe one
• 31:42
  more time before she graduate before he graduates in 1973.
• 31:47
  At this point though, Bonnie is nine months pregnant and they're
• 31:50
  at the mall and she pulls her husband to the side and like
• 31:53
  hides from him. Nobody goes on to get me.
• 31:57
  She has a good life. She doesn't know anything about
• 32:01
  Joe's life until 2018. When her ex-husband the account
• 32:07
  she married in 1972 called her in 2018.
• 32:10
  And he said, what's the name of that guy?
• 32:13
  You dated before me and Bonnie's like Joseph D'Angelo And her
• 32:21
  ex-husband's. Like he just got arrested for
• 32:23
  being a rapist. She wasn't even in the u.s. she
• 32:27
  was in Italy with friends of hers.
• 32:29
  And she was running a successful travel blog and reporters
• 32:33
  started. Just stalking her and it didn't
• 32:36
  stop. When she got back to the US,
• 32:38
  people actually took her travel blog and her Facebook page and
• 32:42
  turn them into a book before the trial, even came out and sold on
• 32:46
  Amazon. Right.
• 32:49
  What really really messed up Bonnie's was when she heard that
• 32:52
  the thirty seventh victim. Wait, her Joe say, I hate you,
• 32:57
  Bonnie. After he raped her.
• 33:05
  And uncomfortable personal connection to his crimes.
• 33:10
  What's even worse is that in the time between their breakup and
• 33:13
  just graduation 1973? The reports of break-ins in
• 33:16
  Rancho Cordova, begin to start. Absolutely.
• 33:18
  Now, this is different than more move most burglaries though.
• 33:24
  He would show up outside of people's windows with no pants
• 33:26
  on. He would break in, he wouldn't
• 33:30
  steal anything, but he would like molest the person while
• 33:33
  they were sleeping and then run away when she broke up.
• 33:36
  He's like, maybe he would still coin our rang.
• 33:40
  He hit a few houses every night and he was known to also kill
• 33:43
  family dogs. now, coincidentally, remember I said
• 33:48
  that she saw Joe in the mall that day The woman that she saw
• 33:54
  him with was future wife, Sharon Marie, huddle, and Joseph met
• 34:00
  Sharon after he, and Bonnie split, Sharon was 17 and Joseph
• 34:06
  was 26. She was a freshman at American
• 34:10
  River College in North Sacramento studying law.
• 34:13
  And as We Know Joe is still analysis.
• 34:15
  Actually, you don't know, but he's now transferred to a new
• 34:20
  college and he's studying criminology So the future lawyer
• 34:25
  and the future cop match made in heaven, right?
• 34:30
  Very quickly. Like they start they start
• 34:32
  eating right? As soon as the semester starts
• 34:34
  1971 and he she's like coming. Yeah sure summer of 1971,
• 34:40
  Sharon's older, brother James Huddle's there with both of the
• 34:42
  parents James was 20 and even though he didn't live with the
• 34:47
  family anymore they would still like come over and have like
• 34:49
  family dinners. Now, Joseph is all smiles and
• 34:53
  full of stories about he was in the Navy for two years.
• 34:55
  He was in Vietnam, Sharon's brother.
• 34:59
  James was in the Navy room. Nerves.
• 35:01
  That creates some kind of camaraderie Joseph's.
• 35:05
  Like, I'm looking for a place to stay since I just, you know,
• 35:07
  started at this new school and James is like, well, I have a
• 35:12
  friend like I live in a place and we have like an empty room.
• 35:15
  My friend who owns the house. It's in Citrus Heights.
• 35:19
  You want to talk to him? So, Joseph moves in and that
• 35:24
  friendly setup. Last barely any time, literally
• 35:27
  the, the guy who owns the house kicks.
• 35:29
  Joseph out in like two months and so as Joseph is leaving,
• 35:33
  he's just like you're going to be next buddy.
• 35:35
  And he was a wrong because apparently a month after that,
• 35:40
  the guy kicked James out for smoking.
• 35:43
  So maybe that guy just did want people to really live in his
• 35:45
  house like once you like invite people to live with you and then
• 35:48
  you realize like how roommates are like, maybe you just don't
• 35:52
  People to live with you, but regardless Joseph gets a
• 35:54
  two-bedroom and he's like, you want to live with me?
• 35:59
  It was an ideal pairing, both of them through the military have
• 36:02
  been trained to live neatly but nobody in the Huddle family
• 36:07
  really knows much about Joseph. Definitely not what happened
• 36:11
  with Bonnie or that he had a pension for killing animals.
• 36:15
  But those two years between 1971 and 73 are great for Joseph he
• 36:19
  and Sharon are doing great Joseph and James become best
• 36:23
  buddies. They fly together.
• 36:25
  Go dirt bike, riding other thrill-seeking stuff.
• 36:28
  And then come the cat burglar reports.
• 36:32
  For most of my life, I assume that a cat burglar was just an
• 36:35
  old timey term for burglary. But actually what it means is a
• 36:42
  skilled burglar who gets in and out when people are there.
• 36:47
  No. I didn't so Cordova's, well
• 36:52
  Cordova's cat Burgers, active from 1970 to 1973 and it's over,
• 36:56
  it's over 30 homes. During the time, he was usually
• 36:59
  do it. When the family was sleeping in
• 37:01
  one door and out another, there were other cities to and and
• 37:06
  their moments when there are gaps.
• 37:09
  In Cordova the Pete, Police noticed that he also hit Citrus,
• 37:13
  Heights and other cities all cities.
• 37:15
  It seems like Joe has a connection to He mainly just
• 37:19
  deals purses wallets, you know money, but the thing with the
• 37:25
  touching the ladies happens again and sometimes showing up
• 37:30
  with just penis out. Sometimes like he just like
• 37:38
  break-in and be standing next to the bed like Paranormal
• 37:41
  Activity, just staring at people and then he would like grab a
• 37:45
  lady's boob and then when she wakes up it just runs away.
• 37:50
  Yeah. One of the catcher and when she
• 37:55
  woke up he told her and I just stole a dollar off of your
• 37:58
  trusty. She I think she was just kind of
• 38:00
  in a weird like State. She was like what it back.
• 38:03
  He put $2 back on the counter and then walk down the hallway.
• 38:09
  Stopped to look at the woman 17 year old daughter sleeping and
• 38:11
  then picked off some money up. now, the connection here,
• 38:18
  between the original burglar and this one in Cordova, the Cordova
• 38:23
  cat burglar, is that He's killing dogs.
• 38:33
  Of course, the weirdness with sometimes burglarizing with no
• 38:37
  pants on. That was also a very clear
• 38:39
  connection between the two and some of these homes get hit
• 38:44
  again when the East area rapist becomes active and what it seems
• 38:49
  like on most is that he's stealing things that are
• 38:52
  unimportant but they're trophies to him but the like normally
• 38:57
  they commit a crime and then they take a trophy to remember.
• 39:00
  It's almost like he's Bring them first.
• 39:04
  And then he comes back years later and rapes, the person it's
• 39:07
  possible but we're not there yet a couple more years.
• 39:12
  Now, James huddle mind, you he's living with Joseph now and he
• 39:15
  remembers a lot of strange moments.
• 39:18
  What when they were roommates before he is sister and Joseph.
• 39:21
  Get married Joseph's very competitive when it comes to
• 39:25
  virtually everything. Even cars dirt bike so James
• 39:29
  gets a nice car. Joseph buys one slightly better
• 39:33
  Joseph by the dirt bike. I'm sorry.
• 39:36
  James buys a dirt bike. Joseph is like I'm gonna get
• 39:38
  one. Slightly better. now, there's
• 39:42
  what James calls it, his book, the road rage incident, Is a
• 39:48
  moment I think in history that James looked back on as a
• 39:51
  warning sign that he never realized it happens just before
• 39:55
  Joseph's College graduation in 1972.
• 39:59
  The two of them are driving on Route 40 in Sacramento Joseph.
• 40:03
  Very aggressively Burks the car into a lane in front of another
• 40:06
  driver James gives the guy the finger.
• 40:08
  That's what you do when you're the passenger and then when the
• 40:11
  car behind them gets close and tries to pass Joseph, like Yanks
• 40:15
  it, front of them again, just to be a jerk.
• 40:18
  So then the two cars, pull into a McDonald's parking.
• 40:20
  Lot. Joseph hops out of the car,
• 40:22
  opens the trunk and the other two guys are walking over.
• 40:25
  Joseph pulls a 357 Magnum on the other two dudes.
• 40:28
  Like you got a problem with us. Of course, the two men run away
• 40:34
  immediately. And James looks at Joseph.
• 40:37
  It is like you can't do that. Not if you want to be a cop, but
• 40:43
  Joseph kind of shrugged it off. Yeah.
• 40:46
  First time he sees his friend and roommate do something,
• 40:49
  that's actually scary and James decides to keep it to himself in
• 40:54
  his book. He refers to this as a little
• 40:55
  red flag and he says, and I quote little red flags can add
• 41:00
  up Graduation comes Joseph is in a prime position to be a great
• 41:06
  asset to any Police Department because in the 70s, it was not
• 41:09
  common for police officers to have bachelor's degrees even now
• 41:12
  only about 30% of them have like bachelor's degrees.
• 41:15
  So it was even lower back that he was a perfect candidate.
• 41:19
  He had a degree former military training.
• 41:21
  In fact, he was probably over qualified for the job that he
• 41:24
  really wanted James continues to be his roommate.
• 41:28
  Sharon contains data. It's early 1973.
• 41:32
  Joseph and James go on a Hunting Expedition, and James spins, do
• 41:35
  realize that this hunting is, it means something extra to Joseph.
• 41:40
  There's a situation where they were supposed to be hunting
• 41:43
  jack, rabbits and like Joseph gives him a gun that's entirely
• 41:46
  overpowered and he urges James to make the kill.
• 41:50
  And when they go, look at the body of little Jackrabbit, it's
• 41:54
  completely destroyed. Just obliterated and Joseph
• 41:59
  excited. Like, look at how this look at
• 42:01
  it. so, you know, and James is like This isn't why I was We
• 42:10
  were supposed to eat that again. Yeah, another little red flag.
• 42:18
  Just make the stripping burglary start in Cordova Meadow, the cat
• 42:25
  burglar of Rancho Cordova almost perfectly.
• 42:29
  This burglar is not stealing high-ticket items, he stealing
• 42:32
  nude pictures of women women's earrings.
• 42:36
  Car magnets, one time. He dumped that a bottle of
• 42:39
  codeine pills and stole just the pill bottle, he was now the one
• 42:44
  big ticket item he did still was, he was still guns.
• 42:49
  But his Mo was breaking into the kitchen door, open up a back
• 42:51
  bedroom, put the window screen on the back.
• 42:53
  I'm plugged the furnace move all the women's underwear into
• 42:56
  different rooms in the house. Trash the kitchen a few times.
• 42:59
  He left burnt matches on the floor it was very clear to
• 43:02
  police. These aren't motivated by
• 43:04
  financial gain. Which means for this burger is
• 43:06
  getting some kind of high from just wrecking people's houses.
• 43:11
  Touch it underwear. Much of this won't make sense
• 43:15
  for another year or two, but fucking are many of like I said,
• 43:18
  these, they call them, no loss, robberies, these all become
• 43:22
  future homes that are Target's for there for him when he's a
• 43:24
  rapist. Now, the police also think this
• 43:28
  strange burglar is responsible for hang-up calls that keep
• 43:31
  happening. He called us one teenage girl
• 43:34
  multiple times and told her I love you.
• 43:37
  I love you. And then the last time he called
• 43:39
  her, he said I love you. This is your last night to live
• 43:44
  The house where that girl lived was next door to a future
• 43:46
  murder. Now and may of 1973.
• 43:50
  Joseph becomes not just a police officer, but a burglary unit,
• 43:54
  police officer and Exeter California.
• 43:58
  Yep, he moves to Exeter for work the to.
• 44:02
  Now James and Sharon get married on September, mixing up the
• 44:09
  names because Joe and James are so close now.
• 44:11
  James gets married, on September 15th.
• 44:15
  And September 14th at 11 a.m. a 28 year old woman puts down her
• 44:20
  baby for a nap. When she hears a knock on the
• 44:22
  door, she ignores it, but grabs her gun.
• 44:24
  And then here's someone knocking at the back of the house.
• 44:27
  She catches a man breaking in and he runs away.
• 44:29
  She makes sure all the windows are locked and she calls her
• 44:31
  husband who I just left for work.
• 44:33
  The attacker forces, the door with such force that the nails
• 44:37
  holding the lock into the door. Break, the woman raises her gun
• 44:41
  at him and he walks away. She calls the police.
• 44:44
  He breaks it again and tries to steal the gun and it goes off.
• 44:49
  And this time, he runs away for good.
• 44:52
  So, literally the night of James rehearsal dinner.
• 44:57
  Joseph was trying to like rape a woman.
• 45:06
  Now, a few months later in November Sharon, and Joe get
• 45:09
  married, they move into this duplex.
• 45:11
  And Exeter Exeter is, a town that only has five thousand.
• 45:15
  Pretty much Sharon is prepping for law school.
• 45:18
  So she is spending all her time. Studying Joseph is over educated
• 45:22
  in a small Podunk town and honestly, Exeter is still small
• 45:25
  town. It has like maybe 50,000 people
• 45:26
  now. One of the things I found just
• 45:32
  really interesting is that Joseph takes issue with his
• 45:36
  fellow officers, fudging the reports.
• 45:39
  He complained to James about how he's like the other police
• 45:44
  officers, falsified police reports, and I'm not going to do
• 45:47
  that. I said, what an interesting look
• 45:50
  into the mind of a guy who can tell right from wrong, but it
• 45:52
  doesn't apply to him. Shortly after this move, Dexter
• 46:02
  the series boring. So, you guys in the fall of 1973
• 46:06
  1975, 150 homes are broken into. The salya is a city.
• 46:12
  That is 12 miles from Exeter and of course, he's telling Sharon
• 46:17
  I'm working. That's why I'm out.
• 46:19
  So late every night, Again, never taking much of monetary
• 46:24
  value, a single earring, a wedding.
• 46:26
  Ring sub trading stamps, sometimes he steals guns, those
• 46:29
  are valuable. But you knew that it was the
• 46:32
  Visalia ransack. Or if you came home and your
• 46:34
  panties were all over the house, your family photo albums were
• 46:37
  destroyed and there's a mess on your bed.
• 46:40
  Sometimes he would take kids piggy banks, but it was never
• 46:42
  like a major amount of cash flow.
• 46:45
  My theory, right? You stole from a child.
• 46:50
  But my theory on this is that the cop, he would know how much
• 46:52
  he could steal and have it be deemed.
• 46:54
  Okay, that's still, that's so he banks, but still get the high
• 47:02
  off of making people in an area feeling safe.
• 47:05
  Now, here's the thing in 1975, he commits.
• 47:08
  Over 120 burglars, burglaries. Even and it really just that,
• 47:13
  that activity ramps up, There were several attempted sexual
• 47:18
  assault during this time, but never fully cross.
• 47:20
  That threshold value PD increased patrols, they put
• 47:23
  officers inside of houses, that hadn't been hit yet.
• 47:26
  But of course because Joseph is a cop and he has access to other
• 47:29
  cops. He could ask cops of the celje.
• 47:33
  Oh, where you put in people tonight?
• 47:36
  Sometimes he wears a face mask, sometimes he doesn't.
• 47:39
  There's a police sketch that was put out, but it really wasn't
• 47:42
  the best. If you look at all the police
• 47:44
  catches they do kind of look like him, but depending on the
• 47:50
  year, He was fluctuating pretty drastically and wait.
• 47:55
  So like sometimes he like a chubby face, And sometimes he
• 47:58
  looks very thin. And so if you were looking at
• 48:02
  though the sketch from, when he had a chubby face and now he's
• 48:06
  like thinner because he's been, you know, working out more.
• 48:09
  They don't connect anymore because unfortunately outside of
• 48:13
  that it just looks like a generic white guy.
• 48:18
  The, the sketches just look like generic white guy. now, the
• 48:23
  first murder in the strings of burglaries happens on September
• 48:26
  11th 1975, And this is a crime that has now been attributed to
• 48:31
  Joseph, but it wasn't originally at was Claude Snelling.
• 48:35
  And what the police believe happened is that the Visalia
• 48:37
  ransack or broke into the house and attempted to kidnap plot
• 48:41
  Snelling 16 year old daughter. Elizabeth quat was a journalism
• 48:45
  professor and when he woke up to the attack, he jumped to action.
• 48:50
  In fact, chasing Joseph out of the house.
• 48:57
  And getting fatally shot when they were somewhere in the
• 49:00
  distance. Police did find shoe inference
• 49:03
  that would connect him to the other ransack or houses and the
• 49:06
  gun that was used to kill. Claude was stolen from one of
• 49:08
  the other houses that have been hit but Joseph, couldn't be
• 49:12
  charged for this murder for another 40 years.
• 49:16
  Now, at this stage of their lives, Joseph and Sharon are
• 49:19
  doing pretty good, shared that is at McGeorge School of Law, in
• 49:22
  Sacramento and Joe decides that he wants to move up in life
• 49:27
  Exeter is too small for me. And so he takes a job with the
• 49:30
  Auburn Police to marbet. And that is when the East area
• 49:34
  rapists, assaults began Happening Now, Joe's escalation
• 49:39
  from burglar to rapist is quite abrupt but his methodology is
• 49:43
  precise, he still crying The doors or Windows of the houses,
• 49:47
  he's wearing a ski mask, he shines a flashlight into the eye
• 49:51
  of the victim ties them up with a.
• 49:53
  Not he learned in the military called a diamond.
• 49:55
  Not he rapes a woman of the house and when the sexual
• 49:58
  assaults over, he does exactly like he did before.
• 50:02
  Completely trashed the house, take small items like ranks,
• 50:05
  maybe some coins, small amounts of cash, he leaves but instead
• 50:09
  of going on the main road, he jumps through the neighbors
• 50:12
  backyards. Now, Joe only gets officially
• 50:15
  charged with 10 of these rapes, because many of them were past
• 50:18
  the statute of limitations in California.
• 50:20
  But there were a total of 50 attacks by the East are rapist
• 50:23
  from 1976 to 1979. All of these attacks were 20 to
• 50:29
  30 miles from where Joseph and Sharon lived.
• 50:33
  Many of the victims did not wish to share their names in any
• 50:38
  books about Joseph DeAngelo. So I will continue that process
• 50:43
  of an honorable death. The attacks of 1976 started.
• 50:47
  As I mentioned, There Were Ten of them from Junie teeth to
• 50:50
  December, 18th. And then things, escalated 1977.
• 50:54
  Brought 19 more. He would call these victims
• 50:57
  before hand hanging up on them or telling them like sexual
• 51:01
  things. Police are definitely aware that
• 51:03
  he seems to be casing. The houses to see who is there.
• 51:07
  I made sense, because there was a woman attacked and you were a
• 51:09
  teen who wasn't assaulted until her husband left to go to work.
• 51:14
  Like, almost like we're 15 minutes later, Joseph breaks
• 51:17
  into the house. There was another young woman
• 51:20
  who was attacked her January 24th and she had like, a
• 51:24
  gathering of all her friends. And as soon as all of her
• 51:27
  friends left the house he broke in So it was not even that like
• 51:34
  he was preparing this ahead of time but he was sitting waiting
• 51:38
  and watching to make sure that anybody who could be a witness
• 51:42
  was gone. There's even one where he waited
• 51:48
  like he waited and watched until like a teenage girl was
• 51:53
  essentially like her parents weren't there for a very brief
• 51:57
  moment and He sets it up, like, it was like 15 minutes and she's
• 52:05
  alone. He sets it up, he takes her out
• 52:08
  of the house and he makes it look like she left of her own
• 52:10
  accord, and then tries to assault her and the canals back
• 52:14
  behind her home. So these are very very
• 52:19
  premeditated. The thing is while he is
• 52:25
  meticulous and some ways. He's in other ways he's not so
• 52:31
  he's planning the, the assaults down to a to the like minutes.
• 52:38
  But if something happens that he's not prepared for, he just
• 52:41
  pulls out a gun and shoots a bystander.
• 52:45
  Yep. Or if someone shows up, he's not
• 52:47
  prepared for he grabs the victim's car keys and drives
• 52:50
  away. Drops the car off in another
• 52:52
  town without the key. Swings it out there that this is
• 52:55
  not going away. Now cost these hundred and fifty
• 52:59
  a sexual assaults, you have Rancho Cordova Carmichael,
• 53:02
  Citrus Heights, Sacramento arted arcade Orangevale, Parkway
• 53:07
  Stockton La, riviere Foot Hill, Farms, Modesto, Davis, conquered
• 53:12
  San Ramon, San Jose, Danville Fremont, Walnut Creek.
• 53:18
  These are all the towns. He hits during these two years
• 53:21
  and it wasn't like the police weren't up on it and we'll talk
• 53:25
  more about like the task force. Is that pop up.
• 53:27
  In this time period, when we talk about this next week,
• 53:29
  because it's a lot of details in there.
• 53:31
  Are some definite people who did some good work but were limited
• 53:36
  with with the science, they had at the time and the neighbors
• 53:40
  were trying to help too. They would call in reports of
• 53:43
  Prowlers, if there was anybody who was stopping their car,
• 53:46
  didn't recognize, they were calling them in, like, the
• 53:48
  neighbors are trying to help. Now, one of them ones are more
• 53:53
  bizarre. Rapes happens in September of
• 53:54
  1977, when Joseph breaks into a woman's home ties up her
• 53:58
  husband, raped her twice and then spends another 90 minutes
• 54:02
  in the house, just doing nothing.
• 54:08
  It's like he's not even afraid of getting caught in any more.
• 54:12
  Yep. Yep.
• 54:14
  They're both tied up, husband and wife and he was just walking
• 54:17
  around checking the fridge, grab it, and just chilling there with
• 54:21
  her husband. Still tied up.
• 54:25
  Just an extra violation. And of course, like, this isn't,
• 54:30
  he's threatening them to I mean, because a lot of the people
• 54:32
  after he was gone or able to, like, get out of the knots, but
• 54:40
  it's if you move, I'm going to shoot you.
• 54:42
  If you move, you're not going to make it through the rest of the
• 54:44
  night. So and he has guns and he shows
• 54:50
  them so and he's not afraid to shoot people, we definitely know
• 54:53
  that because in the news, they're reporting that there are
• 54:56
  situations where this guy's running from a house and he
• 54:58
  shoots Bystanders. So people know that he seriously
• 55:00
  doesn't mind killing people. So I guess some of the victims
• 55:04
  are just like Let's not die. And the media were definitely on
• 55:12
  this case, they reported on every single case.
• 55:16
  He virtually has a connection to all of the city's he's hitting.
• 55:20
  Now, he avoids, the town, he's living in Auburn, but his sister
• 55:24
  still lives in Rancho Cordova still share, its parents live in
• 55:27
  Citrus Heights, Sharon's brother and his wife live in Orangevale
• 55:31
  all towns east of Sacramento, hence, the East area rapist.
• 55:36
  Joseph loves to talk to his family and co-workers about the
• 55:40
  East area. Rapist, he brings it up randomly
• 55:42
  when he visits James at his house.
• 55:49
  He even offers to check James's home security system.
• 55:53
  To make sure that James his wife Cindy is saying, of course she
• 55:57
  does, and it's so fake because of course, James is safe.
• 56:02
  Joseph was gonna break into their home and lot like, because
• 56:05
  didn't James would know, it was him, And, you know, James tells
• 56:11
  them what to look for and Joseph tells him what to look for in
• 56:14
  James trust his brother-in-law. Yeah, by the end of 1977, there
• 56:18
  are 29 rapes that shows no sign of stopping.
• 56:22
  At the end of December, though, someone claiming to be the
• 56:24
  easier. Rapist sends a poem called,
• 56:27
  excitements crave to the Sacramento Bee a newspaper, the
• 56:30
  mayor's office and the television station kvie because
• 56:34
  I had to hear this horrible poems.
• 56:36
  So do you? Let's listen to some horrible.
• 56:40
  Poetry from a rapist. Says all those Mortals surviving
• 56:46
  Bertha, post a signature, take inventory of their Worth to
• 56:50
  prevailing Society. Choosing values become a task
• 56:54
  oneself must seek satisfaction. The selected route will unmask
• 56:58
  character when plans take action accepting, some work to perform
• 57:02
  and fixed pay. But promise for more is the
• 57:05
  recognize social Norm as is decorum seeking more achieving
• 57:10
  While others lifting should be cause for deserving Fame lie.
• 57:14
  Attempts excitement-seeking, what's right and expected seems
• 57:17
  tame, Jesse James has been seen by all and Son of Sam has an
• 57:21
  author others. Now feel Temptations, call
• 57:24
  Sacramento, should make an offer to make a movie of my life that
• 57:29
  will pay for my planned Exile. Just now I'd like to add the
• 57:33
  wife of a mafia Lord to my file your East.
• 57:38
  I'm not done yet. You're East area.
• 57:40
  Rapist and deserving past. See you in the press or Or on
• 57:44
  TV. Oh my gosh.
• 57:50
  I feel like you would like it. Shut the fuck up.
• 57:59
  Indeed, indeed 1978. My it was terrible in.
• 58:05
  So just fucking the east. Rapist at family events 1978
• 58:17
  starts with an attack on two teen girls.
• 58:19
  Not far from the American River Community College, Sharon's
• 58:22
  alma, mater, alma mater. The parents find the two girls
• 58:26
  tied up when they come home. And the girls report that he
• 58:29
  wore a ski mask had a gun, and had a knife.
• 58:32
  His second murder happens in February 2nd 1978.
• 58:36
  That's husband and wife, Brian and Katie Mae.
• 58:38
  She or they were walking through Cordova Meadows with their dog.
• 58:42
  A neighbor reported seeing the attacker and the family running
• 58:46
  through a section of fencing that had been blown down in the
• 58:48
  storm. The neighbor actually witnessed
• 58:51
  a couple, get shot and called 911, but the measure is both
• 58:54
  died at the hospital. The police are looking at all of
• 58:58
  this and they are discovering that when you kind of look at
• 59:01
  the crimes, they all happen within a third mile, radius of
• 59:04
  each other. And so, the police began
• 59:07
  focusing on going through roughly, 30,000 crime reports to
• 59:12
  try and make sense of the murders.
• 59:16
  During this time, they also find that Cordova Meadows has dozens
• 59:19
  of reports of hang-up calls leading to that murder one
• 59:23
  woman. Got a call every night at 8 p.m.
• 59:26
  there are Prowler and Cat burglars like style calls being
• 59:31
  reported to by March the East area.
• 59:34
  Rapist is back in it again. There are 14 more rates that
• 59:36
  happen. This year, nine different police
• 59:39
  sketches are released to the public about half of them, look
• 59:42
  accurate. Now later in 1978, 15 of his
• 59:47
  victims, have a luncheon to discuss their experiences.
• 59:50
  And they are all surprised to see that they all look the same
• 59:54
  and they have similar backgrounds.
• 59:56
  Almost all the women were upper middle class and had dark hair
• 1:00:00
  who, and what you wonder who in Joseph's life is upper middle
• 1:00:03
  class and has dark hair. His wife.
• 1:00:12
  Now there's a different investigation happening
• 1:00:15
  virtually, every time he hits now during my evil which
• 1:00:19
  happened to be the 42nd rape, police get alerted to the
• 1:00:23
  strange car. Parked a neighborhood and they
• 1:00:25
  find these three notebook sheets.
• 1:00:26
  The first page is a homework essay about General Custer.
• 1:00:30
  The second sheet looks like a journal entry, describing a
• 1:00:33
  teacher, he million the offer when I read to you.
• 1:00:36
  It's weird but Matt is the word, the word that reminds me of
• 1:00:41
  sixth grade. I hated that Year.
• 1:00:43
  I wish I had known it was going to be going on during my sixth
• 1:00:46
  grade year. The last and worst year of
• 1:00:48
  Elementary School. Matt is the word that remains in
• 1:00:50
  my head about my Dreadful year as a sixth grader.
• 1:00:53
  My madness was one, that was caused by disappointments.
• 1:00:55
  That hurt me very much, the same point was, for my teacher, such
• 1:00:58
  as field trips that were planned than cancelled.
• 1:01:00
  And there are loads of misspellings here.
• 1:01:04
  That's a great teacher. Gave me a lot of disappointments
• 1:01:06
  which made me very mad and both state of hatred in my heart.
• 1:01:09
  No one ever let me down that hard before and I never hated
• 1:01:12
  anyone as much as I did him. It's equipment was the only
• 1:01:16
  reason that made me mad and sixth grade.
• 1:01:17
  Another was getting in trouble School especially talking,
• 1:01:20
  that's what really bugged me was writing sentences.
• 1:01:22
  Those awful sense is that my teacher made me, write, hours
• 1:01:25
  and hours. I'd sit and write 50, 100 150,
• 1:01:28
  sentence day, and night. I wrote those Dreadful
• 1:01:29
  paragraphs, which embarrass me and more important made me
• 1:01:32
  ashamed of myself. What you turn deep down made me
• 1:01:35
  realize that writing sentences wasn't fair.
• 1:01:37
  It wasn't fair to make me suffer like that.
• 1:01:39
  It just wasn't fair to make me sit and write until my bones
• 1:01:44
  ache. And so my hand felt horrid pain.
• 1:01:47
  I got madder and madder until I cried and I cried because I was
• 1:01:49
  ashamed that cried because I was disgusted.
• 1:01:52
  I cried, because I was mad. And I cried for myself, the kid
• 1:01:55
  kept on having the right this damn sentences.
• 1:01:58
  My angriness from 6th grade will scar my memory for life, and
• 1:02:01
  I'll be ashamed of my sixth grade year forever.
• 1:02:04
  And then the final page was a map of a neighborhood with the
• 1:02:07
  word punishment on it. Now, the map wasn't a perfect
• 1:02:12
  replica of Danville, but the cops determined, it looked like
• 1:02:14
  some sort of fantasy killing ground.
• 1:02:16
  And they do believe that this may have been written by Joseph,
• 1:02:21
  I don't know. But just another weird detail
• 1:02:25
  for you. At the beginning of 1979, there
• 1:02:29
  are no rapes and then they start again in March and six more
• 1:02:31
  happen until July and the rapes stopped Yeah and I think it's
• 1:02:37
  because in August Joseph got caught shoplifting dog repellent
• 1:02:41
  and a hammer from a pay and save these items only cost twenty
• 1:02:45
  dollars but the store cloak was a beast because he liked tackle
• 1:02:50
  Joseph and tied him to a chair. So in the Auburn PD showed up.
• 1:02:58
  They see one of their own tied to a chair by a civilian, he
• 1:03:02
  suspended immediately. In October a jury, finds him
• 1:03:11
  guilty of misdemeanor theft. He gets a hundred dollar fine on
• 1:03:14
  a six-month probation. He files an appeal in November
• 1:03:17
  but gonna fall through with it. Joseph told his family that he
• 1:03:20
  had put the items in his waistband just to see if they
• 1:03:22
  fit their not to steal them. But he is livid with auburn PD
• 1:03:27
  and expresses a desire with James to kill his bosses.
• 1:03:33
  Joseph told his family that in the end, there was some kind of
• 1:03:35
  settlement with auburn PD, but there's no record of that.
• 1:03:41
  And with this, the Eastern rapist stops.
• 1:03:45
  However, the emotional trauma of these events go on to haunt the
• 1:03:48
  victims. He was sadistic, sometimes he'd
• 1:03:52
  Force deliver the tie up their husbands.
• 1:03:54
  He would put a stack of dishes on the husband's body so that he
• 1:03:57
  struggled and knocked it over, he would know.
• 1:04:01
  Interestingly enough, some of the victims said that the actual
• 1:04:03
  rate part only lasted for a minute or so, but the rest of
• 1:04:06
  the time he would make these threats and then he would walk
• 1:04:08
  through the house for hours, just wrecking stuff.
• 1:04:11
  Like I said he'd get a beer he'd watch TV while they were tied
• 1:04:15
  up. There was one final attempt on
• 1:04:18
  October 1st 1979 a few weeks before his court date a couple
• 1:04:23
  and galleta California near Santa Barbara where attacked the
• 1:04:26
  woman said she heard the robber walking back and forth saying
• 1:04:29
  over and over I'm going to kill you and the woman ran for the
• 1:04:32
  door but he caught her. And when she screamed her
• 1:04:35
  husband jumped out of bed to help Joseph foot on a bike.
• 1:04:40
  I gotta take a regular bicycle. And the couple actually lived
• 1:04:45
  next door to an FDR officer who happened to be home when is it
• 1:04:48
  up chasing him in his own vehicle?
• 1:04:50
  But Joseph ditch the bike is her hopping fences.
• 1:04:56
  Now, December 30th 1979. The police think that Joseph
• 1:04:58
  killed again. The victims here are orthopedic
• 1:05:01
  surgeon, Robert Offerman, and his wife, Deborah Manning.
• 1:05:04
  They were found in their home and galleta, which is just like
• 1:05:07
  before near Santa Barbara. Both were bound naked and had
• 1:05:12
  been shot almost execution style, but Robert had two
• 1:05:15
  additional shots to the back. The bullets were off from 38
• 1:05:18
  caliber bullet, from a 38 caliber gun.
• 1:05:21
  Now, there have been burglaries in this area before the murder
• 1:05:25
  and 1979 showed a increase in homicides, in Santa Barbara
• 1:05:30
  which is usually a. It's a pretty quiet Beach.
• 1:05:32
  Town that had was known for its fitness and health businesses in
• 1:05:37
  the 70s. The beginning of 1980 brings
• 1:05:42
  change for Joseph and Sharon. They buy a house in Citrus
• 1:05:44
  Heights and Sharon finishes up her schooling and begins looking
• 1:05:47
  for a job as attorney. At one point, they're living in
• 1:05:50
  two homes, as Sharon is living and working in LA and Joe is
• 1:05:54
  staying in Citrus Heights. This is important because there
• 1:05:58
  are some crimes that happen near I'll lay, and it makes sense
• 1:06:03
  because he would have been traveling back and forth to
• 1:06:05
  visit her. So, that would be March 16. 1980
• 1:06:09
  Lyman Smith and his wife. Charlene are both executed in
• 1:06:12
  their home. They were found naked and bound
• 1:06:15
  this time. However, the attacker had used a
• 1:06:18
  log to beat the both of them to death.
• 1:06:21
  It was a pretty gruesome scene and even more horribly.
• 1:06:24
  They were found by Gary Smith. Lions 12 year old son, Gary
• 1:06:28
  lived with his mother and Charlene was his mother-in-law,
• 1:06:32
  and so he would come over like, on the weekends and he would mow
• 1:06:35
  his dad's lawn and he found his father's body.
• 1:06:38
  Maybe that's what he was doing. Just that interestingly enough,
• 1:06:43
  the houses aren't being trashed anymore.
• 1:06:46
  But one thing that he is leaving behind that he didn't leave
• 1:06:51
  behind really was for was the semen sample. which, Which we
• 1:07:00
  know will L be connected to Joseph.
• 1:07:03
  Now for people in California, the city of Ventura is 400-mile,
• 1:07:07
  cute little area. So we're talking about roughly
• 1:07:12
  what, like 30 in Cordova, another hundred and fifty in the
• 1:07:18
  Sacramento area. Now and now, 400 miles away.
• 1:07:28
  We have killings happening for the police.
• 1:07:31
  These don't make sense that they would be connected because they
• 1:07:33
  don't know that Sharon is working in LA.
• 1:07:37
  So he has reason to be in LA. And so that's why these crimes
• 1:07:42
  are happening here. But for people who didn't know,
• 1:07:45
  it was him, obviously. They didn't have any reason to
• 1:07:47
  assume that the person who they would name the original Night
• 1:07:51
  Stalker. Is the same person as the East
• 1:07:55
  area rapist. The next murder happened on
• 1:07:59
  August 21st, 1980 another couple Keith and Patrice Harrington.
• 1:08:04
  They are found in their home and Laguna Niguel California.
• 1:08:07
  They were in their beds and unlike the prior to they sure to
• 1:08:10
  home with Keith's older Father. Robert Keefe was a medical
• 1:08:14
  student at UC Irvine and Patrice was a nurse and just like with a
• 1:08:18
  Smith's. They were bludgeoned with a
• 1:08:19
  piece of wood and they had marks on their wrists showing.
• 1:08:21
  They've been bound at some point but he cut them loose when he
• 1:08:25
  was done. Patrice was sexually assaulted
• 1:08:29
  in the police. Did recover semen from her body?
• 1:08:31
  This crime took place an Engaged Community, which is definitely
• 1:08:35
  very alarming for the community. But she also got a think a game
• 1:08:38
  is only useful. If somebody is not intending to
• 1:08:41
  get around it, But what this is important for is that the people
• 1:08:49
  who Joseph are attacking our, what many people call low risk,
• 1:08:54
  okay. High-risk victims are people who
• 1:08:56
  work on the street live on the street homeless people runaways,
• 1:09:00
  usually the general victims in a lot of our cases, so the fact
• 1:09:05
  that he is specifically targeting people who should be
• 1:09:07
  safe is scary. He's taking nothing from the
• 1:09:13
  house and he is no longer getting his jollies for making
• 1:09:16
  people. Feel unsafe in their homes.
• 1:09:18
  He's escalated past the need to, to taunt his victims.
• 1:09:21
  After he rapes them, the new highest murder.
• 1:09:26
  The Killing stopped temporary from the fall of 1980.
• 1:09:28
  And to 1981, this is around the time period where Sharon moves
• 1:09:32
  back in with Joseph and she's pregnant with her first child.
• 1:09:36
  That first daughter is born, September 1981.
• 1:09:38
  Her name is Misha and Joseph would kill Manuela women in
• 1:09:44
  Irvine, California in February of 1981.
• 1:09:49
  Now Manuela was a teller for California, First National Bank
• 1:09:53
  and her husband was actually in the hospital and she was
• 1:09:55
  attacked. Another one that looks like he
• 1:09:59
  landed. She was found wearing her
• 1:10:01
  bathrobe and wrapped up partially in a sleeping bag.
• 1:10:04
  She had been hit in the back of the head, with a blunt object
• 1:10:07
  and had been tied up as well semen found at the scene as
• 1:10:09
  well. Interestingly enough Joseph
• 1:10:13
  tormented manuela's husband and his second wife for like another
• 1:10:17
  decade. He would call them and say he
• 1:10:21
  was going to kill them. Just heavy breathing on the
• 1:10:24
  phone. The couple actually ended up
• 1:10:26
  moving away from California. To get away from these phone
• 1:10:30
  calls and David wooden died in 2008.
• 1:10:35
  He actually did not get to ever learn who killed his first wife.
• 1:10:39
  Rhonda David's, second wife said that, when the feds showed like
• 1:10:44
  played those old voicemails again because they, they,
• 1:10:49
  they're a bunch of them from the 70s and to like 2001.
• 1:10:52
  But when they replayed them again, recently, she said she
• 1:10:56
  recognized them from the phone calls that she And David heard
• 1:11:01
  over the years. Now, July 27th, 1980 one.
• 1:11:07
  Another couple is killed and galleta again.
• 1:11:10
  So the third hit and galleta. Let's Greg Sanchez and Cherry
• 1:11:14
  Deming and Sherry Domingo. Now, Sherry was house-sitting a
• 1:11:18
  home. That were removed, the it
• 1:11:20
  belonged to a group of Errors who are putting up for sale,
• 1:11:23
  like one of their family members died, but they wanted somebody
• 1:11:26
  at the home so that it wouldn't be a target for thieves and
• 1:11:29
  usually Sherry had her daughter. Stay with her.
• 1:11:32
  When she was there at the, you know, these things.
• 1:11:34
  But Sherry's daughter was out with her friends, like at her
• 1:11:37
  friend's house, that night and more than likely, they think
• 1:11:41
  that Joseph saw this house because he saw a mother and
• 1:11:45
  daughter coming and going. Now, Greg was described in a lot
• 1:11:49
  of the news articles as Sheree's boyfriend.
• 1:11:51
  But according to family friends, the two had broken up and they
• 1:11:54
  had remained close friends. So I'm wondering if Greg was
• 1:11:57
  there because share a Sherry's daughter wasn't and it was kind
• 1:12:00
  of, you know, to protect them in this big.
• 1:12:02
  House. And fortunately, neither of them
• 1:12:05
  survived that night the following morning, a group of
• 1:12:08
  real estate agents arrive to do a home inspection and found
• 1:12:11
  their very battered remains. Greg was found completely naked
• 1:12:15
  face down partially in the bedroom closet, there was a
• 1:12:18
  gunshot from the back that went through his cheek, but that did
• 1:12:21
  not kill him. What did kill him was being hit
• 1:12:24
  in the back of the head 24 times.
• 1:12:27
  It looked like Joseph Blitz, attacked him and didn't even tie
• 1:12:30
  him up, Sherry was naked lying face down on the bed and her
• 1:12:34
  arms at some point have been bound behind her back.
• 1:12:37
  She was hit several times in the head as well.
• 1:12:42
  This is about the time that the police are like this, seems like
• 1:12:45
  a serial killer. And so, that's the media called
• 1:12:49
  him, the Night Stalker, and he is known as the original Night
• 1:12:52
  Stalker, eventually the acronym, EA are ons.
• 1:12:56
  Became what? Those of us who follow this case
• 1:12:59
  online called him, but that doesn't happen until the 2000s
• 1:13:02
  for now, the police think that the East area rapist is
• 1:13:04
  different guy in Sacramento, and the Night Stalker is a different
• 1:13:11
  guy. Like I said, Nisha, D'Angelo's
• 1:13:13
  born in September the whole huddle family rejoices.
• 1:13:16
  We have another grandchild because James already had two
• 1:13:19
  daughters Sharon's working for the National Labor Relations
• 1:13:22
  Board. And Joseph isn't really working
• 1:13:23
  at all. He in some kind of being a
• 1:13:26
  stay-at-home dad for a little bit.
• 1:13:29
  It's odd. Yeah it's obvious he's a primary
• 1:13:31
  parent because he's not really a touchy-feely kind of guy and he
• 1:13:34
  definitely tries to police all of his family's Behavior.
• 1:13:37
  Like oh how kind of bullying James to not like show affection
• 1:13:42
  to his own kids when they're all hanging out together which is
• 1:13:46
  weird and I yeah 1982 comes and official Sharon is officially
• 1:13:52
  added to the State Bar of California.
• 1:13:54
  This is a very exciting moment that Sheridan wish you would
• 1:13:57
  time. And working as a divorce
• 1:13:59
  attorney that same year and the police were at a loss because
• 1:14:03
  all the murders just stop. I wonder if this is like because
• 1:14:08
  Joseph is now responsible for a kid, pretty much all the time
• 1:14:13
  and he just doesn't have the time.
• 1:14:21
  Right. Yes, he's too busy.
• 1:14:26
  You put the child rearing? No, they usually don't.
• 1:14:30
  Well that does firstly. That's the first time I've heard
• 1:14:33
  like you know when he served Killers just like what part of
• 1:14:36
  me off the walls if his truck doesn't have to sustain him, I
• 1:14:39
  mean for children for a child. Yeah, they don't need to see
• 1:14:45
  James and his book tells a story about how one time he went over
• 1:14:49
  to Joseph house. And Joseph showed him this like
• 1:14:51
  big gold bar. And he's just like, where'd you
• 1:14:55
  get this? And he's like Vietnam.
• 1:14:58
  But what James thinks is that all those like gold earrings and
• 1:15:02
  rings that he stole from his victims, he melted them all
• 1:15:05
  down. And that gold bar is his trophy.
• 1:15:14
  Did she know you're no burglaries and assaults?
• 1:15:17
  No murders happen again until 1960 1986.
• 1:15:21
  So the stuff I stole just at the caring.
• 1:15:23
  Got hanging Oaks sharing briefly work for the state of
• 1:15:27
  California, but hated the politics and she open her own
• 1:15:30
  practice around this time. Sasha D'Angelo was born in
• 1:15:33
  November of 1986 and right before sponsors birth that final
• 1:15:36
  murder was committed that we know of It was one of the worst.
• 1:15:41
  The victim was Janelle Cruz. She was 18 years old and worked
• 1:15:44
  for a pizza place called Boeing goes.
• 1:15:45
  Pizza as a cashier. By now, I think a lot of people
• 1:15:50
  probably felt like it was safe. I've been for years, no rapes,
• 1:15:55
  no murders. But unfortunately, for Janelle,
• 1:15:59
  he just wasn't done on May 4th. She was home alone in Irvine and
• 1:16:03
  according to her sister, Michelle Crews, who had to
• 1:16:05
  identify her body. Her sister did have binding
• 1:16:08
  marks on her wrists. The police said, she'd been
• 1:16:10
  raped and Michelle said that she was being to the point of all
• 1:16:14
  recognition Jenelle's. Mother was on vacation and real
• 1:16:19
  estate agents who are praising their home discovered her body
• 1:16:22
  that following day. The police had all but forgotten
• 1:16:26
  about the EC, a rapist at this point and instead, they fixated
• 1:16:29
  on Gregory Gonzalez. Now Greg engine now.
• 1:16:32
  But both spent some time in rehab for drugs and that's how
• 1:16:35
  they knew each other and Greg told somebody.
• 1:16:40
  He killed his friend Janelle. And the police were like, hey,
• 1:16:45
  we got a confession, we're good. It wasn't until they begin cross
• 1:16:50
  testing these cases against the DNA.
• 1:16:53
  They eventually get in the system that they learn.
• 1:16:55
  That this was actually another Golden State killer.
• 1:16:59
  Now, James huddle, guess who he's divorced from his wife.
• 1:17:03
  After his wife has an affair and he moves a lot closer to the
• 1:17:07
  family and James, and Joseph, and Sharon all our spend a lot
• 1:17:12
  more time together. James has two daughters, Deanna,
• 1:17:14
  and Nicole, and Joseph has Sasha, and Misha, and the
• 1:17:17
  cousins get to play together. Joseph puts up, an above-ground
• 1:17:21
  pool, the kids play the men Grill Joseph, during this time,
• 1:17:25
  picked up building model boats and the men spend hours building
• 1:17:29
  delicate, you know, both models as his daughters grow up.
• 1:17:33
  Joseph teaches them how to shoot James, not really interested.
• 1:17:37
  In teaching his daughters had a whole guns.
• 1:17:41
  James says that he's not always the most stable during these
• 1:17:43
  years, he would lose his cool over very minor things and yell
• 1:17:47
  a lot of the girls Only once at all these family gatherings.
• 1:17:52
  However, did James really experienced Joseph as the Golden
• 1:17:55
  State killer, so the two families really liked horror
• 1:17:58
  movies and they would get together and watch all the scary
• 1:18:00
  movies and they watched all the grades pumpkin said Freddy
• 1:18:03
  Krueger Jason Chucky but one night.
• 1:18:05
  They're all sitting around watching Texas, Chainsaw
• 1:18:07
  Massacre. And James sees a little crack in
• 1:18:11
  the facade. He said that while they were
• 1:18:14
  watching the film Joseph's eyes, get wide and like, clenches his
• 1:18:18
  teeth. And he's talking through the
• 1:18:20
  10th clenched teeth, which is the same way he talked to his
• 1:18:24
  victims and he called them on the phone.
• 1:18:29
  Not really sure why watching that particular movie caused him
• 1:18:32
  to kind of relive something but it did interestingly enough.
• 1:18:36
  He discouraged his children from watching anything True Crime
• 1:18:40
  related. Repeatedly referred to True
• 1:18:44
  Crimes cases as junk and he would make them change the
• 1:18:48
  channel if he saw it and I'm like, was he scared that
• 1:18:51
  somebody might recognize him as? Yeah.
• 1:18:57
  Yeah. The FBI have released.
• 1:18:58
  Some of those phone calls that he made to the victims,
• 1:19:02
  interesting things jumper talking about.
• 1:19:04
  So yeah, house got burglarize, not much was stolen but it was
• 1:19:10
  traced to a guy living out of a motel.
• 1:19:12
  Ended up getting their things back, but the kids are scared
• 1:19:14
  and like Joseph took them around the house and showed them like
• 1:19:17
  all the security to like make sure the kids felt safe.
• 1:19:22
  Now, in terms of his General Life with his family, he's a
• 1:19:24
  strict guy. A lot of his military training
• 1:19:27
  is passed down into the kids cleanliness.
• 1:19:29
  Not eating or drinking too many sweets.
• 1:19:32
  We don't need the air. Conditioner on all day.
• 1:19:33
  We can handle it, not bullying, a cousin or a sister for being a
• 1:19:37
  bit chubby. He's actually really serious
• 1:19:40
  about that not being wasteful with your food.
• 1:19:43
  He wore a white shirt and white pants virtually every single
• 1:19:46
  day, perfectly ironed, he's meticulous and most of his daily
• 1:19:51
  activities. even his lawn was perfect to the point where his
• 1:19:54
  neighbor said that, like, he had these weird Boulders in the yard
• 1:19:57
  where he can't really get the weed whacker to close obviously.
• 1:20:02
  So he would cut the grass, knew the boulder to make sure it was
• 1:20:08
  perfect and aligned with the rest of the year.
• 1:20:11
  He insisted that the dishes always get done that.
• 1:20:13
  The doors are never left open. He was prone to yelling at kids
• 1:20:17
  for getting messy, but like, you can't stop kids from being
• 1:20:20
  messy. His behavior seems a little bit
• 1:20:24
  more erratic when you look at how his interpersonal
• 1:20:26
  relationship with kids. I doubt the children noticed it,
• 1:20:29
  but it was something I noticed in hindsight in his book.
• 1:20:32
  He said the first time that his eldest daughter went for a
• 1:20:35
  sleepover Joseph, made them sleep in separate rooms, which
• 1:20:38
  is not normally how sleepovers go.
• 1:20:42
  It was almost like he was worried that there was something
• 1:20:45
  inappropriate that would happen between the girls.
• 1:20:48
  Now, later on, he relaxes this restriction and puts up a tent
• 1:20:51
  for the girls in the living room, but like there are other
• 1:20:53
  situations that popped up like apparently like me show would
• 1:20:56
  like get out of the bath wet and like, you know, chase her cousin
• 1:21:00
  and he would get like really upset about that.
• 1:21:01
  Like put your clothes on right away.
• 1:21:05
  He didn't like, any of the kids playing inside the house and he
• 1:21:07
  insisted that they played outside in the grass of the
• 1:21:09
  driveway. It's weird.
• 1:21:11
  Because all in all he seems like a decent dab.
• 1:21:14
  A little bit neurotic what he did right by his own kids.
• 1:21:16
  At least some of the best thing I can say about him because
• 1:21:19
  apparently he wasn't the best husband and by 1999 1991, things
• 1:21:24
  are falling apart between him and share it.
• 1:21:26
  And when I'm researching this right, everybody was makes jokes
• 1:21:29
  about November babies Scorpios with the concept that We were
• 1:21:35
  all born. We were all conceived on
• 1:21:36
  Valentine's Day. So he has one November baby.
• 1:21:41
  He has another child that's born in September and his third,
• 1:21:43
  child is born in May and some try to figure out and they're
• 1:21:46
  like years ago part. So I'm wondering how frequent
• 1:21:49
  the love life between Sharon and Joseph was when he was
• 1:21:52
  assaulting women, virtually every weekend.
• 1:21:55
  Sometimes there were hits twice a night and if his kids were
• 1:22:00
  some of them conceived on major like, around major holidays or
• 1:22:03
  events. And here's the thing,
• 1:22:05
  apparently, Sharon told James that they slept Different beds
• 1:22:10
  and that it very well have may have started when she was
• 1:22:13
  studying for law school because she was getting done with her
• 1:22:16
  studying at like 3:00 and 4:00 in the morning.
• 1:22:19
  So like ripping and couple that virtually probably never really
• 1:22:24
  had a whole lot of sex. And it was probably just for
• 1:22:28
  procreation, and they never went back to the never slept in the
• 1:22:32
  same bed. Reminds me of somebody.
• 1:22:34
  Does it it? Do you remember a certain man in
• 1:22:38
  Ohio on Fox Hollow Farm, who never slept with his wife?
• 1:22:44
  Yeah, her but my sister did that too.
• 1:22:46
  He pretty much only slept with his wife for procreation
• 1:22:48
  purposes. My heart was closeted gay.
• 1:22:53
  I don't think in this situation are golden sake.
• 1:22:56
  You know, D'Angelo is. Closeted but I think he's
• 1:23:01
  getting his jollies elsewhere and more enjoyable than the
• 1:23:05
  actual sex is the terror that he is an active across these limit
• 1:23:10
  use. Yeah, no wonder if some of the
• 1:23:13
  disconnect and Sharon and James relationship has to be the fact
• 1:23:17
  that Sharon's wildly successful and Joseph rocks.
• 1:23:22
  The only thing he'd ever really cared about Maybe we know that
• 1:23:28
  just before he and Sharon separated Sharon's making
• 1:23:30
  National headlines. She's working with the National
• 1:23:33
  Coalition against sir is surrogacy to change the laws
• 1:23:36
  around surrogacy. I guess, in the past Pete there
• 1:23:39
  wasn't like any like now there's agencies and contracts.
• 1:23:44
  There weren't really contracts of the past and so people are
• 1:23:49
  just like here's 20 grand, have my baby and people would like
• 1:23:52
  Take the Money and Run. I says huge case that happened
• 1:23:55
  in New Jersey with the over a baby M, as she was called and
• 1:24:00
  baby, I'm got taken from her mother because my mother wanted
• 1:24:03
  to back out of the surrogacy and New Jersey was just like know
• 1:24:06
  this family paid you for that baby.
• 1:24:09
  So it was a big deal and this was a huge thing.
• 1:24:11
  There were lots of states that were abolishing Surrogacy as it
• 1:24:15
  was traditionally done and Cat, Sharon was working on it that in
• 1:24:19
  California. Also, the other thing here is
• 1:24:23
  that Sharon was very devoted to her clients.
• 1:24:27
  The Huddle's were exceptionally proud of Sharon for her work,
• 1:24:30
  but also she was breaking glass ceilings because law was
• 1:24:34
  downright hostile to women, when Sharon, decide to be an attorney
• 1:24:38
  in the 70s, she had endured and succeeded.
• 1:24:41
  So she was just pretty much a stellar lady.
• 1:24:46
  The to decide to separate. But live in the same house for
• 1:24:49
  the kids around 1991. She wanted her children to have
• 1:24:52
  their father and their life but Sharon confided in her brother
• 1:24:55
  that Joseph was very manipulative and neighbors would
• 1:24:58
  later, tell news, outlets of the couple had terrible fights like
• 1:25:02
  loud enough that everybody could hear.
• 1:25:04
  She never really spoke much about life with him.
• 1:25:08
  But by the 90s, Joseph is working at first, save
• 1:25:11
  supermarkets, as a truck mechanic at the Distribution
• 1:25:13
  Center. He get exceptionally good
• 1:25:15
  health, Share and share them was working for this huge nonprofit,
• 1:25:19
  the to kind of had an understanding Joseph gets to say
• 1:25:22
  my wife, the lawyer and Sharon has the peace of mind that if
• 1:25:25
  her or any other girls get horribly sick.
• 1:25:27
  They're going to be taken care of, interestingly enough, even
• 1:25:30
  when he was arrested sharing never dumped on him, she asked
• 1:25:34
  to be left alone. She didn't file for divorce
• 1:25:37
  until after his conviction as the Golden State killer because
• 1:25:42
  like the smart attorney that she is Sharon knew that if She filed
• 1:25:46
  before his trial. She could be forced to testify
• 1:25:49
  against him and honestly, she just didn't want to be a part of
• 1:25:52
  it. The media has still like the
• 1:25:56
  media continue to Hound her so she just decided like I don't
• 1:26:00
  want to be a part of this case and ultimately they didn't need
• 1:26:05
  her they would have called her in and demanded.
• 1:26:07
  She testify but they didn't need her to make the case against
• 1:26:10
  him. Now dial this back about two
• 1:26:14
  years, three years. Yeah, from 1989, Joseph gets in
• 1:26:17
  a filmmaking, his new passion, he has this good job, giving him
• 1:26:23
  money and benefits. His wife's doing great.
• 1:26:25
  The kids are doing great, he's not spending every waking moment
• 1:26:28
  moment, case in ladies houses to rate them.
• 1:26:30
  So he's got time for a new expensive Hobby.
• 1:26:35
  Of course, because Joseph is Joseph, he believes that his
• 1:26:37
  first film at the gate is going to be a banger.
• 1:26:40
  He makes a short film called into the dark 1989.
• 1:26:44
  When it doesn't do well, he spends three years working on a
• 1:26:51
  feature length. L called monster.
• 1:26:54
  He can't convince the studio to pick it up.
• 1:26:56
  He can't even get a VHS DVD release.
• 1:26:59
  And well, that's the end of that.
• 1:27:03
  He does get arrested in 1986 for not paying for gas, but those
• 1:27:07
  charges were dropped and they never typical example, when they
• 1:27:09
  arrested him because this was the beginning of DNA evidence.
• 1:27:12
  And it was a non-violent offense Joseph, actually sued the gas
• 1:27:16
  station and one, because he wasn't involved in the crime at
• 1:27:18
  all, but he got pulled into again.
• 1:27:22
  Listen, he knows his rights, right?
• 1:27:27
  And then time passed. He focused on his kids.
• 1:27:31
  I'm being a good friend to people in his life, his
• 1:27:33
  employees, right? Yeah.
• 1:27:34
  He was there for all of his children's, major Milestones, he
• 1:27:37
  began supporting his mother and father-in-law, and their elderly
• 1:27:40
  years. It was like, he'd put everything
• 1:27:43
  behind him except for an occasional need to leave a
• 1:27:46
  creepy phone call. He retired from Save Mart
• 1:27:49
  Distribution Center weeks before his arrest, his co-workers, and
• 1:27:55
  neighbors loved him and so did his children.
• 1:27:57
  But while Joseph is enjoying the spoils of his wonderful life.
• 1:28:02
  There are people behind the scenes who have been working on
• 1:28:04
  catching him for decades and he does not get to enjoy his
• 1:28:07
  retirement for too long and that is where I stop this week's
• 1:28:11
  podcast. When we come back next week
• 1:28:13
  we're going to go heavy into the investigative side of things.
• 1:28:17
  The original case reopening the cases and then connecting all
• 1:28:21
  the dots and what it takes to put this guy in prison, and I
• 1:28:25
  was going to tell you, he is a trip until the end.
• 1:28:34
  Even even when he was in the courtroom during covid, I
• 1:28:41
  believe it to that next week. I believe it's all for me.
• 1:28:54
  Goodness. Oh goodness, I can't wait, I
• 1:28:59
  can't, wait. I really can't.
• 1:29:02
  I want to hear all about it now, okay.
• 1:29:08
  So this week I have for you. All right.
• 1:29:14
  All right. I'm sorry about.
• 1:29:15
  Um so a little north of Gettysburg like five minutes
• 1:29:22
  outside of Gettysburg. Oh that's a nice.
• 1:29:24
  There is just a little town is called cashtown really.
• 1:29:28
  Even now do you know who you want to know why it's called
• 1:29:31
  cashtown, that's so interesting. Now they only accept cash.
• 1:29:40
  Yeah, I think it's just the the place we're talking about that
• 1:29:45
  only accepts cash but that's oh, wow.
• 1:29:50
  Look at the map and like where it is.
• 1:29:55
  It's so tiny. Yeah it's it's the God, it's
• 1:30:02
  like a step. Yeah, you can drive right
• 1:30:07
  through it. G.
• 1:30:15
  You know the names of nine of them?
• 1:30:16
  Yes, I know about I think not is a nice.
• 1:30:24
  I think I don't know nine. Yes.
• 1:30:31
  Goodness. Yeah, it's a Tiny Town.
• 1:30:33
  Like you go, you could drive right by it and just think
• 1:30:36
  you're in Gettysburg and I even believe that I.
• 1:30:39
  But anyway, I'm lucky. In the center of, I'm guessing
• 1:30:45
  is the center cashtown. Um, there is a hotel.
• 1:30:50
  So, is this like a ask you to talk about this cool, you know,
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  someone who lives right next door and their pictures out.
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  Yes. He is, I don't know.
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  I don't like Gettysburg it really is.
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  They're everywhere Park right next to it.
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  Before I go down there, it's just so much.
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  Like there's see this is exactly.
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  Is this is the closest? I will get to talk here about
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  Gettysburg and less Mmm. Yeah, unless we do like some
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  type of like, I don't know, some filming thing and do like, you
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  know what I mean. There might be like a ghost
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  rolling down there. People keep doing that's as
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  close as I get to talking. Gotta like, oh, fluff, up the
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  energy, but of what happened? Like, Look, so apparently
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  they're re-enactors that March down that street in front of the
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  cashtown Inn. Like the mark shows to get you
• 1:32:06
  know, the Gettysburg Battlefield very intense.
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  Okay. Oh goodness, gracious, not
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  surprised. So, yeah, that's what I'm
• 1:32:24
  talking to. You have a friend Fran
• 1:32:26
  experience, haunt and it's apparently haunted.
• 1:32:29
  Nice, and yeah. And apparently, yeah, she's
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  such, there's a little, there's a little kid that You see these
• 1:32:42
  walking down, not only her, but a lot of people who I don't like
• 1:32:46
  that, but I haven't seen them yet.
• 1:32:48
  But she has like another child is, but she seems to be but yes
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  he just she sees them like I think she's like a small child,
• 1:33:01
  she's just really Gill and I'm going in the basement.
• 1:33:12
  Yes, especially because like the lines of, yes, look, as modern
• 1:33:18
  Time Has Come, they've chopped up this land.
• 1:33:21
  You know what I mean? Like, the same thing happened
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  with, with Herb Baumeister, like he bought like what 18 acres and
• 1:33:27
  like, half of that has been sold off now.
• 1:33:30
  So, you like a farm and other places still like, How much was
• 1:33:37
  the cat? Like, you know, I'm like you
• 1:33:38
  look at like with the cash tenant cute little house but
• 1:33:39
  like how much of the area around that was also originally part of
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  it. Yeah.
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  Okay? So found out what you're able to
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  do. That was part of it because I've
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  seen pictures and it was just the cashtown Inn in the Rogue.
• 1:34:01
  Just straight up, dirt road, side of this has nothing to do
• 1:34:05
  with anything and I'm sure your friend will listen to what store
• 1:34:10
  across the street. I just want to know Let Brian
• 1:34:18
  know so I can now because I was raised in a city of like a hot
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  million and a half. The she'll tell me it's so I
• 1:34:26
  don't understand why anybody would want to live somewhere
• 1:34:30
  where you can actually know everyone in town, sounds awful.
• 1:34:37
  I mean, Where I Live Now is the smallest town.
• 1:34:42
  I ever. I wouldn't I don't know.
• 1:34:44
  For me like a small town, actually, spit some tantric.
• 1:34:47
  That's probably the smallest. I'm just because I don't really
• 1:34:50
  sit and that's not cat. That's just in town.
• 1:34:53
  If you count the surrounding areas like the prettiest, like I
• 1:35:00
  need to see the light in the city.
• 1:35:02
  They think it's like 15, but if you count the surrounding areas
• 1:35:05
  because it's kind of smushed as well.
• 1:35:07
  Stay in the area you live in. I don't think I could go to
• 1:35:10
  Jessica crowded. Okay so this building I got this
• 1:35:27
  built in 1790 97 it is right whatever.
• 1:35:37
  Yeah so there So they had one Innkeeper.
• 1:35:50
  His name was Peter Micah Mark if it was that
• 1:36:12
  yes. Oh my God.
• 1:36:19
  But yeah, he's the one that coined it to be invisible again.
• 1:36:22
  Cash only, which has fallen asleep that everything you've
• 1:36:25
  cashed out Kevin at that meant they were accepting, like,
• 1:36:28
  silver, these cash? We just take cash here.
• 1:36:30
  Oh, it was good. I mean paper money so we
• 1:36:46
  definitely didn't. He want that southern money?
• 1:36:50
  Them. That can then be Confederate
• 1:36:54
  dollars. Don't count for nothing up here.
• 1:37:01
  I know he did. Actually never mind the federal
• 1:37:08
  dollars. Do count, Kesha Min was actually
• 1:37:12
  used for by Confederate soldiers.
• 1:37:15
  Like, mainly interesting. Yeah, he's like, they're like,
• 1:37:20
  yeah, give me that Confederate. Funny that your money is good.
• 1:37:22
  Here, please bring it here. Oh yeah, like a lot of
• 1:37:28
  Confederate soldiers officers, they stayed here at that job,
• 1:37:32
  man. Hey man, we don't support tree.
• 1:37:35
  And like a lot of famous Confederate name's Boba because
• 1:37:41
  my competitors here for the Confederacy, it's mainly because
• 1:37:49
  they it like the hotel if set, it's it's wrong, it's it's but
• 1:37:55
  it's set directly on the supply pipeline between Virginia and
• 1:37:59
  Gettysburg. So that's basically like that
• 1:38:04
  was like they're, they're stopping point right there for
• 1:38:08
  the Confederate soldiers. Um, know the seller in dust in
• 1:38:15
  it had, you know, different different things amenities for
• 1:38:20
  confederate. Guess they had be using Springs
• 1:38:24
  brick ovens if they wanted to like make bread.
• 1:38:29
  And it's like, it was, it was also used as a field hospital
• 1:38:35
  for soldiers who had wounds or who were dying out there as
• 1:38:40
  well. There's a little note.
• 1:38:47
  This is Laura, suggest that so many limbs were amputated.
• 1:38:52
  That the pile eclipse, the seller Windows preventing
• 1:38:55
  sunlight. Yeah.
• 1:39:02
  Yeah, well yeah, it's it has a very, very rich, has a rich
• 1:39:08
  history just like you had it. There are a lot of people that
• 1:39:11
  have seen her, also, in 1993, there's a, I don't know, there's
• 1:39:19
  a movie Gettysburg, There's a movie is called Gettysburg and a
• 1:39:25
  lot of the actors stayed at this hotel, too.
• 1:39:31
  It's just it's just, you know, your little side note looks like
• 1:39:33
  a lot of famous. Something many people stayed
• 1:39:36
  there. Hey, And also I read that, okay?
• 1:39:45
  It was featured in Ghost Hunters.
• 1:39:48
  That Ghost Adventures Ghost Hunters.
• 1:39:50
  So G. It is just is, just like the
• 1:39:56
  guys who, you know, who are risking their, they just okay,
• 1:40:00
  notice some things moving around and they caught some voices on
• 1:40:06
  the recording devices as well. Yeah, so there are there are a
• 1:40:15
  lot of ghost sightings are there a lot of?
• 1:40:19
  Yeah, I came across when accidentally while I was just
• 1:40:22
  looking at pictures a little bit.
• 1:40:25
  Sir. I know window.
• 1:40:27
  The middle window? Just a face in the middle
• 1:40:29
  window. Yeah.
• 1:40:31
  I don't like I don't like that but if you do, you guys have one
• 1:40:34
  with the guy upstairs in the window just looking down.
• 1:40:39
  Yes, yes. Oh okay, I'm here for it.
• 1:40:47
  Okay so I have a you know, since it's a hotel people read reviews
• 1:40:54
  about hotels I know, um, you and it's a, it's a, it's titled
• 1:41:03
  lovely in it really haunted and it's a five star review and it
• 1:41:10
  goes, I am my husband stayed. He's their vacation, we had
• 1:41:15
  taken a lot of peculiar pictures inside and out of this lovely in
• 1:41:18
  had a fantastic dinner there. Okay, first night, spent their
• 1:41:22
  Hertford steps, how in the hallway late at night from the
• 1:41:26
  That soldier who walks the Halls second night second night.
• 1:41:32
  Heard the footsteps. Again, they approached the door
• 1:41:35
  to our room and stopped and then a light knocking at the door.
• 1:41:41
  My husband and I were Sam and Anita vitamin knocking knocking.
• 1:41:47
  They heard footsteps inside our room.
• 1:41:51
  Listen, vampire rules do not apply a know.
• 1:41:55
  They say he's, I guess he's trying to be polite but he's
• 1:42:01
  like not see ghosts know Oh was the footsteps stopped?
• 1:42:10
  At the foot of our bed. Something began to lightly poke
• 1:42:15
  that mattress up and down, along with a light shaking of the
• 1:42:21
  mattress. I'm I, yeah.
• 1:42:25
  I and my husband were not doing this.
• 1:42:28
  We were laying perfectly still in a mattress, then the mattress
• 1:42:31
  began to Ripple. When you like when you drop a
• 1:42:35
  pedal, a pebble in a Then I began to feel someone lightly
• 1:42:40
  touched me on the shoulder and it was not my husband.
• 1:42:44
  We were not disappointed on the in dinner room nor haunting
• 1:42:50
  highly recommend this in PS. The pictures we took inside and
• 1:42:55
  in our room showed, several orbs and spirit seeing to Civil War
• 1:43:03
  July 1st, through 3rd. But yeah, that's it like you
• 1:43:17
  said, just knocking and just let yourself in and then jumped on
• 1:43:21
  the bed and everything. Click.
• 1:43:24
  No, this is my room. You guys are staying in my room.
• 1:43:29
  However, they were doing was jumping on the bed.
• 1:43:32
  Yes. Why it was wobbling.
• 1:43:34
  He's focused. I don't know what the Poke the
• 1:43:36
  bear was about. Oh no, we're not gonna talk
• 1:43:41
  about that. He was trying to do this this.
• 1:43:45
  So can I help you guys out to the oh my God.
• 1:44:04
  But yeah, I'm multiple multiple guests have reported coming back
• 1:44:07
  to the rooms to find out. Their suitcases have been packed
• 1:44:12
  and their television. I think it's a long turn it on
• 1:44:15
  and off and it will get out in the night.
• 1:44:18
  The stampeding sounds of army horses.
• 1:44:23
  And only after that is done. Don't worry about like dogs.
• 1:44:33
  Get out. Get out my room now.
• 1:44:37
  Since the owners themselves have witnessed shadowy apparitions.
• 1:44:48
  Disappear. Right from in front of their
• 1:44:51
  eyes. Now, like there it states on
• 1:45:00
  here that the like there's a lot of like ghost tours but the
• 1:45:03
  cashtown like there goes a lot of course is Gettysburg but like
• 1:45:07
  there are a lot of ghost tours in Gettysburg but the cashtown
• 1:45:10
  Inn isn't in the Gettysburg. Ghost tour route.
• 1:45:15
  So if you guys want to Ghost tour.
• 1:45:19
  That's not in Gettysburg. Cashtown Inn go there cuz
• 1:45:25
  Especially was a July 1st with somebody walking up and down the
• 1:45:28
  hall. Let me know what happens because
• 1:45:35
  I mean, I don't like that. Oh my God.
• 1:45:40
  That's all I'm saying. Like don't disturb my rest.
• 1:45:44
  That's I don't like it. There's like multiple pictures
• 1:45:53
  of that like, horrible face. No.
• 1:45:56
  Thank you. Please don't come in here and
• 1:46:00
  bug me like what you call it? Just thank you.
• 1:46:07
  It's the words for what it really is.
• 1:46:15
  Yeah it is. It's like it's like an an
• 1:46:20
  ultrasound photo. You know what I mean?
• 1:46:24
  Like a baby and it's just yeah. Now, when I look at TripAdvisor
• 1:46:31
  and but yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of activity there,
• 1:46:33
  if you're staying there and you probably won't be disappointed.
• 1:46:38
  Now, that one you at all? That's reset 2005.
• 1:46:43
  Very cool. Yeah, check him out.
• 1:46:45
  It's it's Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:46:55
  Because I mean, you travel for work so you're everywhere.
• 1:47:00
  It's another child. Oh yeah, I haven't been to any
• 1:47:11
  other old houses that were built around that time so and And she,
• 1:47:19
  I think she said her house is old as hell too.
• 1:47:21
  So I'm pretty sure that little boy, but a little child, that
• 1:47:25
  the people manage to make yourself or is being a part of
• 1:47:28
  being kind of commercial 2020 hotel.
• 1:47:32
  In this is a very small looking place that can't have that many
• 1:47:35
  rooms, you know, so they need that money.
• 1:47:45
  Okay well it's a so that's good that they made it.
• 1:47:48
  Yeah it's not only and I think it's a general store to is there
• 1:47:52
  is a story so you know other things.
• 1:47:55
  Yeah. So Your quest to talk about all
• 1:48:01
  of haunted. Pennsylvania.
• 1:48:03
  Oh that's that's basically that's all we got.
• 1:48:10
  Listen, if you want to be complete I am working on it.
• 1:48:13
  Like you eventually it all covering.
• 1:48:15
  I'm not touching Gettysburg everywhere else.
• 1:48:19
  Thanks so much for listening. We hope you had a good lesson
• 1:48:24
  this week with us and we will finish Next week conversation
• 1:48:30
  about the horrors of Joseph James.
• 1:48:34
  D'Angelo thanks for all the people who are constantly asking
• 1:48:37
  me when the next podcast would be.
• 1:48:38
  You don't understand, but it does make us feel like it's
• 1:48:41
  important to you. If you ask when we're gone, you
• 1:48:44
  know what I mean? Like, you care that we weren't
• 1:48:46
  here. And thank you so much for losing
• 1:48:55
  it. Really does.
• 1:48:58
  Yes, we love it. We love it here.