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Mac & Bone Hour 3: Chapel Bill Narratives · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Oh, oh, oh, it's Mac and Bo on your radio, baby.
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  Speaker 2: This is my friend Matt.
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  Speaker 3: Posh, come on, Posh.
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  Speaker 1: This is my friend T-Bone.
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  Speaker 3: Let's have some fun.
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  Speaker 2: I can't go to work without listening to Mac and Bone.
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  Speaker 4: Do it live.
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  Speaker 2: What did Belichick prove to you with this win on Saturday?
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  Speaker 4: He proved that he still has it. And I and
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  Speaker 4: many others were wrong. Nobody was a bigger mouth than
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  Speaker 4: me on Friday when we talked about it. But let
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  Speaker 4: me say this about Belichick, though. He went from having
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  Speaker 4: no chance to get to a bowl game to now
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  Speaker 4: being in a position. And I think that is the
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  Speaker 4: litmus test for him this year. Because some of the
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  Speaker 4: other schools on his schedule, namely NC State, just looked awful.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm starting to count very close to six wins
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  Speaker 4: on that schedule. I'm almost there. But that is a
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  Speaker 4: significant accomplishment. TCU, we don't need to waste time on them.
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  Speaker 4: If you trust a Harvard quarterback to lead your team
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  Speaker 4: after your quarterback goes to Indiana, you probably deserve to lose.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, I'm reminded, that's Paul Feinbaum. Paul Feinbaum,
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  Speaker 5: one of many, Bone, that have done at least, you know,
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  Speaker 5: done mea culpas or at least many mea culpas since
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  Speaker 5: the performance by the Tar Heels on Saturday. But I
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  Speaker 5: notice on the text line, Bone, I notice on the
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  Speaker 5: text line, some of y'all ain't going for this. The
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  Speaker 5: mere question that you asked, Bone, going to break about
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  Speaker 5: have you changed your feeling about Bill Belichick after the win,
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  Speaker 5: which I think is clear to say is the biggest
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  Speaker 5: win he has had as UNC's head coach. There are
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  Speaker 5: some people saying they won one. There are some people
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  Speaker 5: downplaying it still. They won one game. Why is this
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  Speaker 5: even a topic after one win? So this is going
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  Speaker 5: to be– I don't know if those are Tar Heel fans.
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  Speaker 5: I'm guessing no. But this is going to be an
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  Speaker 5: interesting conversation. What do you all think, Tar Heel fans?
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  Speaker 5: Have you started to open your mind up to– More
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  Speaker 5: expectations this year?
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  Speaker 3: A belief at all in Belichick?
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  Speaker 5: Or is it one win in week zero in Ireland
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  Speaker 5: with bad weather and we just need to chill the
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  Speaker 5: hell out?
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  Speaker 6: What do you think, Bone? Has he changed your mind
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  Speaker 6: at all? Well, it depends on what your expectation now is.
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  Speaker 6: If it's still, hey, getting to a bowl game would
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  Speaker 6: be huge for that program, then I think that, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: that's the mindset I would probably go with. If you're
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  Speaker 6: thinking it's anything beyond that, like contending in the ACC
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  Speaker 6: or getting to nine wins or anything like that, Matt,
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  Speaker 6: to me would be way far beyond beyond what I
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  Speaker 6: think the expectation should be because while that win was
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  Speaker 6: important and huge and there are elements in there that
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  Speaker 6: if you're a Heels fan, you love what you saw
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  Speaker 6: out of Belichick and that team, but yet the schedule
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  Speaker 6: was still really difficult. Clemson, Notre Dame, and then it's
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  Speaker 6: Pittsburgh and Duke and it's Miami and it's Louisville and Virginia.
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  Speaker 6: And then, you know, State's been a problem for a
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  Speaker 6: number of years, despite how they played on Saturday. So
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  Speaker 6: I still think as long as you're measured in, hey,
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  Speaker 6: if they get to six wins, that would be huge
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  Speaker 6: for the program based off that schedule and who they
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  Speaker 6: were a year ago. If you're thinking anything deeper than that,
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  Speaker 6: like contending in the ACC or being ranked, Then I
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  Speaker 6: think you've gone too far.
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  Speaker 3: One of these texters is Nick.
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  Speaker 5: He says, there's a very good possibility we find out
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  Speaker 5: they're still the same as last year and TCU is
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  Speaker 5: just dog bleep. I'm not going to be on here
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  Speaker 5: acting like TCU didn't kill itself, didn't contribute majorly to
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  Speaker 5: UNC winning this football game with the 11 penalties, multiple turnovers.
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  Speaker 5: Thought those were going to stop when Hoover went to Indiana,
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  Speaker 5: Sonny Dykes.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting. You know, the mental mistakes.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Jaden Craig looks like he could run for
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  Speaker 5: a first down, throws a pass over the guy's head.
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  Speaker 5: You had the really dumb— we didn't even talk about this yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: What about when Billy Edwards slipped on the wet grass?
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  Speaker 5: and is down there for I don't know how long,
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  Speaker 5: and a dude comes along and hits.
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  Speaker 3: Him for TCU. Like four seconds later. What the hell?
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  Speaker 3: So I'm not acting, Bone, like they weren't bad.
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  Speaker 5: Like this doesn't look like a TCU team that's worse
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  Speaker 5: than last year's nine-win team.
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  Speaker 3: But would last year's Carolina team have won that game?
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 2: No way in hell.
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  Speaker 6: I think the thing, too, is they're going to be
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  Speaker 6: much more competitive than in the majority of their games.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think they're going to get laughed off the field.
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  Speaker 6: They do have Notre Dame in Miami, although both in
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  Speaker 6: Chapel Hill, but I don't know how competitive those will be,
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  Speaker 6: but I do think the vast majority of their contests
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  Speaker 6: back there, if they can play that style that keeps
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  Speaker 6: them in it that Belichick can win with, I don't
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  Speaker 6: think they're going to be a laughingstock by any means.
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  Speaker 6: They're going to be in a lot of games.
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  Speaker 3: I agree, man.
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  Speaker 5: I think they looked like what Heels fans hoped they
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  Speaker 5: would be last year. They were the better coached team
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  Speaker 5: on the field. They were the team that didn't totally
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  Speaker 5: beat themselves. The Bobby Petrino hire, I don't know, like
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  Speaker 5: Tar Heel fans have to be giddy over the Bobby
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  Speaker 5: Petrino hire. I know they only put up 320 yards, Bone.
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  Speaker 5: There's plenty of room to grow there. They've got to
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  Speaker 5: find a way to run the ball better. But I
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  Speaker 5: thought Billy Edwards and Bobby Petrino looked like two legit additions.
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  Speaker 5: Thurman at tight end looks like a legit addition. And
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  Speaker 5: as sad as it is, Bone, 320 yards is the
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  Speaker 5: third most yards a UNC team's had under Belichick. Like,
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  Speaker 5: I know that's sad. But again, that's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: As I look at a.
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  Speaker 3: Bunch of texts.
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  Speaker 5: that are being negative still about Belichick. I'm just trying
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  Speaker 5: to figure out, do y'all not know how low many
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  Speaker 5: of us had this bar, how low they themselves had
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  Speaker 5: their own bar last year? Like here's another texter. TCU's
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  Speaker 5: best receiver didn't play. The weather clearly affected TCU. Anybody
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  Speaker 5: thinks UNC is a bowl team because of that game,
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  Speaker 5: they're a moron. Like I just, I think the bowl
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  Speaker 5: is in play now. I'm not guaranteeing it, but I
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  Speaker 5: have to be honest with you. Going into Saturday, I
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  Speaker 5: honestly thought there was no chance in heck with that
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  Speaker 5: schedule of a bowl. That's what I thought.
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  Speaker 6: They're going to have to pull some upsets along the way, but, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it's more in play than it was Saturday at noon
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  Speaker 6: when the game started.
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  Speaker 3: No, I agree with that. It's professional bone here. I
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  Speaker 3: agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: 7-0-4, 5-7-0, 9-6-10.
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  Speaker 3: I hope they do make a bowl again. That would
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  Speaker 3: be good for the fans. That's nice of you, Bone.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't that nice? It's the nicest thing you said about
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  Speaker 3: the Heels fan. I probably went too far.
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  Speaker 6: I praised Davo in the first hour. I've just said
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  Speaker 6: something nice about UNC fans in the third hour. I
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  Speaker 6: may check myself in a facility here at some point soon.
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  Speaker 5: John says, I'm a Tar Heel fan, but I'm realistic.
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  Speaker 5: 6-6 would be an amazing season, and I think it
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  Speaker 5: now is in play. Um, uh, I, people acting like
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  Speaker 5: last year's Carolina game would have won this game are crazy.
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  Speaker 5: We beat Charlotte, Richmond, a lacrosse playing quarterback and Stanford
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  Speaker 5: last year.
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  Speaker 3: That's the point. I'm not saying bone.
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  Speaker 5: They weren't like competitive in games against Virginia game against Cal.
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  Speaker 3: They're competitive.
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  Speaker 5: They lost heartbreakers in those games, but last year's team bone,
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  Speaker 5: when it comes to who they beat really didn't accomplish
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  Speaker 5: squat diddly. So I think, again, it's all about what
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  Speaker 5: you expected. My whole point is, if we're going to
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  Speaker 5: badmouth Bill Belichick that badly, we got to acknowledge, man,
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  Speaker 5: y'all did something I didn't think you could do.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: And it looks like Bobby Petrino might be the best
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  Speaker 5: hire he has made since he's been there, honestly.
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  Speaker 6: Bobby Petrino has stabilized things. Think about that for a second.
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  Speaker 6: He is brilliant offensively.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think anybody, nobody should have ever argued against
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  Speaker 5: that if they did.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 5: You can make motorcycle jokes all you want and stuff.
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  Speaker 5: And as a head coach, yeah, that's debatable. But offensively,
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  Speaker 5: the man is brilliant.
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  Speaker 6: Well, there's such a better management of the game when
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  Speaker 6: he's involved. Billy Edwards felt like he was in control
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  Speaker 6: of the operation much more so than Gio Lopez was
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  Speaker 6: last year. It just felt like they were more in
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  Speaker 6: sync than they were last year. It feels like a
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  Speaker 6: better fit.
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  Speaker 5: Gio Lopez never— I thought they were trying to fit a
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  Speaker 5: square peg into a round hole. I never thought Gio
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  Speaker 5: Lopez fit that offense they were trying to run. Not
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  Speaker 5: to mention how much better Petrino is than Freddie Kitchens.
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  Speaker 5: And then you look at how well coached Bone the
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  Speaker 5: defense was, even without Steve Belichick on Saturday. The way
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  Speaker 5: they adjusted, they were getting bludgeoned early. They gave up
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  Speaker 5: 10 points in the first quarter. They're getting run all
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  Speaker 5: over by Payne. And look at what they did to
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  Speaker 5: adjust and stop that. And I just think the coaching
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  Speaker 5: combination of Bobby Petrino running the offense and the Belichicks
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  Speaker 5: running the defense I think we have to acknowledge that
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  Speaker 5: is not chopped liver. Phinney, what do you think about
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  Speaker 5: all of this? It's real polarizing. I guess there's a
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  Speaker 5: lot of people that are being stubborn and don't want
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  Speaker 5: to budge on their Belichick criticism. Hell, even Feinbaum did that,
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  Speaker 5: for God's sakes. What do you think? Did Bill Belichick
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  Speaker 5: make you believe in him more? Have you upped your expectations?
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  Speaker 2: I had him as a 6-6 team going in.
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  Speaker 7: I do think maybe like their ceiling would probably tap
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  Speaker 7: out at an eight and four year, but that'd probably
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  Speaker 7: mean they'd have to upset a team or two along
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  Speaker 7: the way. I'm not expecting that to happen though. But Matt,
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  Speaker 7: cause we talked about this game was we got closer
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  Speaker 7: and closer to it. I like my, my belief was
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  Speaker 7: that bowl possibility was easier if you won that game
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  Speaker 7: because the math just gets easier.
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  Speaker 2: You have a FCS.
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  Speaker 7: Opponent at home next week. So you, you'll, Assume you're
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  Speaker 7: going to be 2-0 with 10 games to play. They
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  Speaker 7: go 4-6 and they still make a bowl game. Whereas
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  Speaker 7: last year they got behind the 8-ball with such a
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  Speaker 7: slow start and being non-competitive. And this is a program
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  Speaker 7: that is still building for the future. We can question
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  Speaker 7: the method of how they're going about building in the
• 10:04
  Speaker 7: modern college football world. But Belichick and Lombardi decided to
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  Speaker 7: go the high school recruiting route, and then they added
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  Speaker 7: transfers on top of that. They added 62 players. 40
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  Speaker 7: of them are freshmen. This is a young football team.
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  Speaker 7: But what Saturday is is that's proof positive that their
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  Speaker 7: process is working. He finally has something he can point
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  Speaker 7: to and say, What I'm trying to instill in this program.
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  Speaker 3: Proof of concepts right there. Finally, you didn't have that
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  Speaker 3: last year.
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  Speaker 2: We never had a game.
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  Speaker 7: We could point to and say, we are heading in
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  Speaker 7: the right direction in a, in a, in a program
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  Speaker 7: that we thought when they hired him was going to
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  Speaker 7: try to retool and reload the rebuilding.
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  Speaker 5: It's, it's a good sign too, that all those young
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  Speaker 5: players are brought in bone and they already did this.
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  Speaker 5: Because I think the young players will contribute more as
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  Speaker 5: the season goes on. Like that kid, C.J. Sadler, like
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  Speaker 5: when I watch Carolina Bone, they desperately need more pass
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  Speaker 5: catchers to step up other than Chip and Thurman, right?
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  Speaker 5: And they need to find a way to run the ball.
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  Speaker 5: Still not sure fully about the offensive line, run blocking.
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  Speaker 5: But Petrino's a guy, Bone, that can make everybody better schematically.
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  Speaker 5: But C.J. Sadler's a kid. True freshman. What's he going
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  Speaker 5: to be in week six, week eight? You know what
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  Speaker 5: I mean? And how many of those guys, like, do
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  Speaker 5: they get better as the season goes on because of that?
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  Speaker 6: Can I say something too, Mac, while we're at it here?
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  Speaker 6: Just based off of resetting the table, what's happened so far,
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  Speaker 6: I think Bill Belichick right now is ACC Coach of
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  Speaker 6: the Year.
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  Speaker 3: Tony, I'm going Tony Elliott.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 5: Wait a minute.
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  Speaker 3: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I forgot about that.
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  Speaker 3: Hold on a second now. Hold on a second now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.
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  Speaker 6: I was thinking I forgot about that. I tried to
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  Speaker 6: be smart. I tried to be a smart arse and
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  Speaker 6: it backfired on me.
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  Speaker 3: It's tight, though, baby. It's tight.
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  Speaker 6: I was more mocking Norvell... And Doran. I wasn't thinking
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  Speaker 6: about that. Don't worry.
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  Speaker 3: Even in a smart-alecky way, I was wrong. Don't worry.
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  Speaker 3: More Doran mocking is coming up in the 9 o'clock hour.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know how hard it is to be a
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  Speaker 3: smart-ass and still be wrong about it? I think it's
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  Speaker 3: a close battle, though.
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  Speaker 5: Hog Molly says that moron who said the weather affected TCU,
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  Speaker 5: does he not understand it affected UNC, too? um another
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  Speaker 5: texter uh tc says i just want bill to put
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  Speaker 5: the final nail in dave doran and states coffin um
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  Speaker 5: let's see here uh coach wayne says everything will be
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  Speaker 5: fine at unc until bill finds out um that jordan
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  Speaker 5: has been riding on the back of petrino's bike oh
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  Speaker 5: no Now that'd be a scandal. That would make Elaine
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  Speaker 5: Kiffin scandals look like nothing. Let's see here. 704 number says,
• 12:39
  Speaker 5: so basically what Fitty was saying is I had way
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  Speaker 5: too high of expectations to start the season for UNC.
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  Speaker 5: So now I will up my way too high expectations
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  Speaker 5: and make them even higher. I had them as a
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  Speaker 5: six and six football team. You might prove the definition
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  Speaker 5: of average. You might prove to be right. Yeah. That's
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  Speaker 5: my question is, can this be an average football team,
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  Speaker 5: which would be a major jump up?
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  Speaker 3: From one year to the next.
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  Speaker 2: I would use the word competitive.
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  Speaker 7: I'd like to be more competitive against the Notre Dames,
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  Speaker 7: the Clemsons, the Miamis.
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  Speaker 3: Clemson you should be more competitive against.
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  Speaker 2: Games that I think Carolina will lose, by the way.
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  Speaker 5: That Clemson team was an embarrassment to the Dabo era
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  Speaker 5: in many ways. And y'all got punked from minute one.
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  Speaker 3: We did. So, like, that should be. Now, Notre Dame
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  Speaker 3: and Miami, eh, we'll see.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, but can that game be a game in the
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  Speaker 7: second half?
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  Speaker 2: Can Keenan Stadium still be full in the second half?
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  Speaker 3: It would be nice.
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  Speaker 2: Because last year, that game happens. That game's a ghost town.
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  Speaker 5: It would be nice. No doubt about it, man. Just
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  Speaker 5: get the enthusiasm back in Tar Heel Nation. Like, y'all
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  Speaker 5: were so high last year after that first, the Skip
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  Speaker 5: Bayless drive of the game against TCU. And then after that,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it was never anywhere near that again. It
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  Speaker 5: was like a balloon bursting. Can you get that environment back?
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  Speaker 7: I hope so, because if we keep pulling off big wins,
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  Speaker 7: I get to grow my profile. I was on in
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  Speaker 7: Las Vegas last night on BetMGM.
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  Speaker 5: Man, look what Bill Belichick is making things happen. I
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  Speaker 5: am going national. Keeping Receipts says UNC to the playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: Now we've lost the plot. 704 number says Philly says
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  Speaker 5: eight wins. You can't even find six wins still on
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  Speaker 5: this schedule. If you do the schedule math now, Bone,
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  Speaker 5: does it make sense? Six wins make sense. Let's say
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  Speaker 5: they beat East Tennessee State, right?
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  Speaker 3: You're at two.
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  Speaker 6: Who just lost to Campbell and gave up 49 points. Man,
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  Speaker 6: Will Healy, that sounds rough. After that, you were at Clemson,
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  Speaker 6: home against Notre Dame, at Pitt, at Duke. How many
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  Speaker 6: did they win of those four? Do they get one
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  Speaker 6: of those four? We'll just conservatively say one and three.
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  Speaker 6: So if they get one of those four, then their
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  Speaker 6: next four are certain. I don't think they're winning at Clemson,
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  Speaker 6: and they're not beating Notre Dame. Look, I'll be fair.
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  Speaker 6: At Pitt, at Duke are possibilities. If you can beat TCU,
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  Speaker 6: can't you beat Pittsburgh and Duke? They could also lose
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  Speaker 6: both those games. So we'll see. But I'll say give
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  Speaker 6: them one and three in that. Then you go to
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  Speaker 6: where you have Syracuse, Miami, UConn, and Louisville. How many
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  Speaker 6: do you win of those? Two.
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  Speaker 3: Syracuse, UConn?
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  Speaker 5: Or can you pull an upset? Can you beat someone
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  Speaker 5: like Louisville at home or something like that?
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  Speaker 3: I picked them to.
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  Speaker 2: Beat Louisville when we did our preseason schedule.
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  Speaker 3: God, something like that would be huge.
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  Speaker 6: They're going to be right on the edge of the six.
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  Speaker 5: And then at Virginia and then home against State. The
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  Speaker 5: problem is, regardless of what happens, Bone, between now and
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  Speaker 5: November 28th when they play State, my inclination is to
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: pick State. It always seems like something along the way
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  Speaker 5: will get us hyped up that UNC can get them
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  Speaker 5: this year, and then something happens along the way. Kind
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  Speaker 5: of like my inclination, if I was not a dummy,
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: would have been that State, in a showcase game bone,
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: early in the season, is going to wet the bed. Right?
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: That's been the tradition.
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: And for some reason, I overlooked that because I got
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: my little whoop-back fingers going. But, like, if you overlook— like,
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: don't overlook— the recent samples of State Carolina.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: We got a lot of football to go. And don't worry,
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: we got Dave Doran questioning to do in the 9
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: o'clock hour.
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: When we come back, Adam Gold's going to talk all
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: about this, the heels, the expectation for now, what happened
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: to the pack. He's also said a lot on social
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: media about Dan Morgan's draft classes and the job he's
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: done on that part of the gig. We will ask
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: Adam about that and more. Sports Radio 92.7 WFNZ.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: We'll be right back.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: It's Goldie time, baby.
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: It is time to talk with Adam Gold right now. Man,
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: do we not have so much to talk about, whether
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: it's Carolina winning, whether it was State's ugly performance in
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: a big loss to Virginia, or whether it is what
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: we're getting texted about right now, which is Adam Gold's.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: comments about Dan Morgan, the 2024 draft. We'll let him
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: say it. We'll, we'll let him put it into his words,
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: but a lot of people say, and they love what
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: Goldie said about the Panthers drafting. So we can discuss
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: that obviously with Trevin Wallace bone getting waved that 2020
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: and Jatavian Sanders subject to trade rumors and, That 2024
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: draft is getting talked about all over again. All over again.
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: But we can talk about it all right now with Goldie.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: Adam Gold, 99.9 The Fan in Raleigh middays. You can
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: hear his show weeknights here in Charlotte on WFNZ at
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: 7 o'clock. Adam Gold joins us on the Mac and
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: Bone Show. Goldie, how you feeling, brother? What's going on?
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I feel great.
• 17:55
  Speaker 8: I'm ready.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: Fire away that's what that's what we're looking for baby
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: and i had no doubt you would be um yeah
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: okay so what do you think what was the biggest
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: surprise to you nc state getting beat down the way
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: they did or carolina winning the game against tcu yeah.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: I put out a poll yesterday what was the bigger
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: deal carolina's win or the way state lost and almost
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: four to one the answer was the way NC State lost.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I actually thought it was the other way. But, I mean,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I think they're both very surprising to me. NC State,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: that was a gigantic, a pterodactyl-sized egg that was laid
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: in Charlottesville. It was alarming from every possible angle you
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: could look at it. They were non-competitive. They couldn't, I mean...
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Everything was bad on both sides of the ball. There's
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: nothing good to carry out of it. Not a single
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: positive for me about NC State. And I don't know
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: what to make of it. I think the best case
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: scenario is that, hey, man, Virginia's really good. But I'm
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: not sure that's the case. Because I don't think they
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: have a two-way offense. I think Virginia can really only
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: run it. NC State did everything you could possibly do
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: to get blown out, and they were successful, unless that
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: was the goal. If that was the goal, then NC State, man, A-plus,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: because you are just absolutely horrific. As for Carolina, man,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick coined the phrase a long time ago, more
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: games are lost than won, and they played a very clean,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: mistake-free game and allowed TCU to lose because TCU. You succeeded.
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: Adam, how much of those results change your outlook for
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: the duration of the season for those teams? Do you
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: now think differently about what UNC can accomplish, and do
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: you think that NC State may– will they figure it out,
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: or are they going to have a down year? What's
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: your long-term thoughts about what we know so far?
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think it really changes the way I think
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: about North Carolina. I mean, I don't think they'll go 2-10.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: um this was not one i counted so uh i
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: think they'll be better than two and ten um but
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: they still just scored 15 points uh and they only
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: scored three points after the first quarter uh the two
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: points the safety was a gift uh but it's fine
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: i mean you took advantage you know uh they gave
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: it to you good congratulations that's why you let teams
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: if teams are gonna lose let them um I don't
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: know how much it changes about Carolina. I am certainly
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: alarmed at State because I thought that as bad as C.J.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Bailey was, and he was bad, I really thought the
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: problems that... I mean, NC State's offensive line was so
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: awful that it makes me wonder if State's offense will ever...
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: be very good because if they can't block, they couldn't
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: run the ball. None of their receivers got open, but
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: they couldn't run it either. And they couldn't protect Bailey,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: especially up the middle. If you can't do that, we
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: see that with the Panthers. If you're in the middle
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: of your offensive line, can't block, you have no chance.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: And I think that was a big problem for NC State.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: Goldie, how much do we look at NC State, though?
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: And like.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: do we think that this could be like an uncharacteristic,
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: brutal season? Dave Doran usually, like, he'll often lose these
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: kind of showcase games early in the season and often
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: lose them badly. But by the end of the season,
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: he'll give you, you know, reason to kind of feel like, oh,
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: he kind of pulled things together. Oh, they beat Carolina. Oh,
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: they won eight games. Do you feel like it'll still
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: be a season like that? Or are you so concerned
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: after what you saw on Saturday, you feel like this
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: could be the rare, like, Really bad season under Dave Doran.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be really bad, but it'd be
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: hard to win eight or nine if the offensive line
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: doesn't look better than it did. And again, Bailey wasn't
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: any good. And he's got, I mean, Dick Vitale used
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: to coin the all-airport team.
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: Remember that?
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Guys who walk off the bus, who just
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: look awesome, and then they get on the court, and
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: they're like, they're not that good. C.J. Bailey's got a
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: world of physical talent. He has to be better than
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: he was. Again, with all of the things that worked
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: against State, he has to be better than that.
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: Sometimes you have to overcome.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: your team's deficiencies if you are truly a great quarterback.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: And he has all the physical gifts to be that.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: So if he isn't better, yeah, we could be looking
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: at a really, really bad year. But I think he'll
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: get better. I just don't know how much. Yeah.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: We're talking to Adam Gold, our weekly spot. Tuesday is 825.
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: Adam from 99.9 The Fan in Raleigh and also weeknights
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: here on WFNZ. Sometimes Adam will, you know, he'll take
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: shots at his own friends on his show, and then
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: that will replay here later on here on WFNZ like
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: he did to me the other day. That never happens.
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: Did you just read that off a card?
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: 99.9 The Fan.
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: Did you say FM too?
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: 99.9 the fan.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: He's got a Goldie cheat sheet over there, Gold.
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: You know, that's good friendship, though, Adam. I get a
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: text from you the other day that says, hey, I
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: ripped you on my show today. It will rerun in
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: Charlotte at 7.40 p.m. Could you promote that for me?
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Please send out a tweet. Anyway, more on that later.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: If I didn't love you so much, it would be crazy.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: I love you too, man.
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: One thing that fans didn't love was your takes on
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: Dan Morgan on Twitter over the last couple of days.
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: Explain what your take was and what the fan backlash
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: has been to those takes. We saw you getting in
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: the muck a little bit here.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Some of the texters love his takes, though. I know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: they do, they do.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: They do. I don't think it was, first of all,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I never, ever mentioned Dan Morgan before. that was, I mean,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I've just noted that the Panthers draft history, recent history
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: has been, I mean, no good. It's 25 drafts could
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: end up being great, which is awesome. And they need
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: it to be great. The 24 draft is awful. There's
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: just no way to like Xavier Lee get is going,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: might end up being the best player from that draft.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: And we know that he is, If Chris Brazel didn't
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: get injured, we might be talking about wide receiver four.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: As good a preseason as he apparently had, but the
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: offense didn't have a good preseason. So if that's going
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: to be the shining light from that draft, the 24 draft,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: that was bad. But I'll just go, since 2021, the
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: four drafts in.
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: A row, Produced four starters, total.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, Tommy Trimble's on that list, too. I
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: consider him a starter by default. Like, on a team
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: with good tight ends, Tommy Trimble's your third tight end.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: He's not your feature.
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: They produced four starters in four years. You've got to create, like,
• 26:05
  Speaker 8: two and a half, three.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Starters a year from the draft. Otherwise, you have to
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: fill all your holes through free agency, which is what
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: they've done. And they've done a pretty good job, but
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: they don't have depth. I mean, it has really been,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: it has not been good drafting. Bryce Young is the only,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: you can't screw up the first one, the first pick overall.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Bryce Young is the only draft pick, I think, still
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: in the NFL from that team.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: For the 23 draft. Or at least in Charlotte. Yeah.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: It has just not been good.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: No, no, it's true. But 21 through 23 is the
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: old regime. I think we have all long since come
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: to terms with the fact that Scott Fitterer stunk.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: I didn't say Dan Morgan.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: Nobody else said Dan Morgan. So I think that's what
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: we have to say. Yes, it was doo-doo, but the
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: franchise was complete doo-doo, one of the armpits of the
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: NFL during that time frame. Their personnel department was bad.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: The coaches that were hired were bad. The owner was
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: meddling back then. So, I mean, I don't think it's
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: shocking that that era was as bad and dysfunctional than
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: it was. The Dan Morgan draft, since he's been in
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: charge to me, are the ones that matter the most
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: to me. I know there's still an effect. What you're saying, Goldie,
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: there's still an effect.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: 24 is bad.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: 24 was Dan Morgan's first in charge. Trading up? into
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the first round to get Lee get trading up after
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: trading back, trading back up to get Jonathan Brooks. Uh,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: we'll remains to be seen how that turns out. Um,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: you know, he's traded up for a guy who had
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: an injury history already and then got hurt again.
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: And it's never, it's just never a good idea.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: To trade up for a running back, no matter where
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: you're doing it. Um, but look, I'm not trying to
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: give Dan Morgan a pass at all. And I'm, and,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: And what I'm about to say kind of leads to that.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: He was in the room in 23 as well in 22,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: because he got here in time to be... the assistant
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: GM of the 22 draft, if I'm not mistaken.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: Goldie, I'm in the room when decisions are made in
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: McLean household. You can rest assured I ain't the one
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: having the final say. I'm in the room every time.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: That's a good point.
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: That's a good point.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I am also in the room as my wife makes
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the decision.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: I thought I could get you on that one. I
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: thought that would be your language. Here's the thing, Goldie,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: even with the— She.
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: Asked me, what do you think?
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Yes. Oh, yeah.
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: And then I tell her what I think, and it's wrong.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: And it doesn't matter.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what we said. It's like, why were
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: we asked then?
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: It's like, what color?
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: Do you like this color? And I'm like, yeah, I
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: like that color. She goes, I like the other one.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, she sets you up.
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: Why did you ask me?
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: That's the worst, too, Goldie, when the missus sets you up,
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: when she leads the witness.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I feel like Bill Burr right now.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: It feels good, though, Goldie. Now, it might not feel
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: good when I get home if Mrs. Mack was listening
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: right now, but it feels good, though.
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: Goldie, texters want to know, how were the chicken wings
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: you were eating out of the Stanley Cup last week?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it was.
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: The best chicken wing I've ever had.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not even kidding.
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: It really was. It was delicious. I didn't realize.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I was standing next to the cup, and then I
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: turned over. Like, wait a second.
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: The chicken wings in the cup. It was phenomenal.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: My gosh, what a special night. It's so much fun.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: God, you're a rock star. You went no salt. on
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: the wings, though, right?
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: They were seasoned. They were dry rub.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: Really, really good.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: Goldie, you are the man. You are a rock star
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: in Raleigh. You are an absolute rock star, my friend.
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: In my little.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Window, in my little, little corner of the universe.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: I don't think we can reach that status in Charlotte.
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: We're trying hard, though.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: We're trying.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: You guys are doing great. Goldie, we appreciate you, brother.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: And I think it's going to lead to an interesting
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: discussion about Goldie's not wrong about those four drafts in
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: a row. How much flack should Dan Morgan catch? We
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: will talk about that. As always, Goldie, you get the
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: discussion going, baby.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: We appreciate you. We will talk to you next week.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: You got it, fellas. Take care.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Thank you, man.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: There you go, Adam. Gold, everybody. Let's go from one
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: bald man to another. It's time for Fitty, ladies and gentlemen,
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: with an update. Fit Daddy, what you got over there, baby?
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Fitty.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Fitty.
• 30:51
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• 31:08
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• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Two things in the sports world last night. Worth talking about, Mac.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: One.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: And I'm here, too.
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: Messy.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: I was going to address you with the second one, Bone.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: You just mention him every time. I'm sitting right.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Here, man.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: His name is first.
• 31:32
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• 31:37
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• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I pay good money for that.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: How much did you pay? Because I pay to get
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• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Well, you'll have to wait 15 years for it. Up
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: that offer, sir. Up that offer.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: What were you saying, Finney? All people want you to
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: update is your date, by the way. How have we
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: gone this far without a date update?
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: Messi announced his official retirement from club football or from
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: national team football. Will no longer play for the Argentina
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: national team. And Francis Tiafoe. The 11th seed at the U.S.
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: Open advances to the second round.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: He won a five-set thriller. He avoided an upset.
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: So did the four-seed Ben Shelton, who dropped his first set.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: That's Mr. Trinity Rodman.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Mr.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Trinity Rodman.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Ben Shelton.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: Fitty, no one gives a hoot about any of that stuff.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: Why didn't you just come on and update your date?
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: People care more about your date than that stuff. She
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: listens now, I think.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, really? She wants her own segment, apparently. I thought
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: it went great, though, Fit.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: Shouldn't you be on here bragging about her and how
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: awesome this is?
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: Go, Finny!
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Go, Finny!
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: Date went great. I don't know if she's listening. She's
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: made it known that she needs to start listening. She's
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: requested her own segment because.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: She has a plethora.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: And I mean a plethora of hot takes.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, man, this could be great.
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: And more importantly, guys, I learned the details of what
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: my Saturday night will entail while I am missing Clemson
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: and LSU. We are going to a gathering, a surprise
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: birthday party where dancing is not only expected but It's
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: pretty much required, and I'm going to have to stop, drop,
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: and roll.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Stop, drop, and roll? No, it's not. We've been through this. Pop, drop,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: and lock it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: That's what I have to do.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: You're not burning the place down.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Stop, drop.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: You're not Snuggie Bear.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: She's going to be like, why are you down there
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: rolling on the ground? I said pop, drop, and lock it.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: You know what this means, Mac.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: Video this week of one of the great dance instructors
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: of all time, Mac, showing Fitty how to dance.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: Oh, I got you, baby. I'm going to make you
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: look so good out there. All right, we'll go back in.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: Nine o'clock hour requires more about why she wants Fitty
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: dancing on the third day.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: This is a real test.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: When we come back, though, Bone, I want to call
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: an audible here because this Dan Morgan thing is too juicy.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: We got to save this for when we have more
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: time at nine o'clock.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: When we come back, NC State fans yesterday started lining up.
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: They're doing it again, Bone. We need to move on
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: from Dave Doran. Is that fair to feel that way?
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: We'll talk about it. Sports Radio 92.7 WFNZ.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: We are upgrading Virginia, clearly, right? This is a two-way movement.
• 34:30
  Speaker 9: They probably were the most disrespected team this offseason. Just
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: forgotten about, written off, only got one vote to be
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: in the top 25.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: That is incredibly disrespectful.
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: And I think Virginia absolutely just announced themselves on the
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: scene as a very real player in the ACC race
• 34:45
  Speaker 9: this year.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: There you go, Dana Connell, Cover 3 podcast, giving love
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: to Virginia, who I clearly am doing complete about face-on.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: I'm doing a lot of that, and we've only seen
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: a few games played. Calling audibles.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: They are 100% with their schedule, with that run game,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: with that defense. They're going to get Cam Robinson back
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: at some point. They are 100% bone, a contender to
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: be back in Charlotte for the second dang straight year.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: I say mercy, Virginia fans.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: A week ago, we were talking about their game against
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: West Virginia here in Charlotte. Now we're moving on to
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: bigger games for them in Charlotte along the way.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: Although I will say there will be a couple of
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: games where the run game will be slowed down. You'll
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: fall behind. Bo Pribula will have to win it with
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: his arm, and I believe he will fail. Like, I
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: don't think we're talking about 12-0 here. I do think
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: we're talking about some games. But if the games, if
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: they can dictate the game, Bo, and their defense keeps
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: them in it, and they can have success running the
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: ball and limit what Bo Pribula has to do, they're
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: going to win a lot of games that way.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: That Virginia SMU game, October 17th, that's going to be
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: a real good one.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: Now, can I also point out, for as good as
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: Virginia looked, Cam Robinson did not play in that game.
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: One of the top 100 players in America, one of
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: the best players in the ACC, their defensive leader, did
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: not play in that game. So there's a whole other
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: level they can still get to defensively that we did
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: not see yet.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: That's the good news from that game. The bad news,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: NC State, and it was very bad. 34-8 loss, Bone.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: You heard Goldie talk all about it. We talked a
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: bunch about it yesterday. And I noticed... that the state fans,
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: it's happening again, Bone. It felt like the way they
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: ended the season last year, it felt like Dave Dorn
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: kind of calmed everything down.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: We're always one game away from disarray in Raleigh, are
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: we not?
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: And it usually happens at the beginning of the season,
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: very early, with the national audience watching. It's so on
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: brand what they did, Bone. But yes, it's bringing back the...
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: I think we need a change here in Raleigh. It's
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: been 14 years. It's bringing those texts back to the show.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: And if you're a state fan, where are you at
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: with Dave Doran right now? It's kind of part of
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: the Dave Doran experience, Bo, that six times in eight
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: years that they've lost by 14 points or more in
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: one of these early season non-conference games. Four of them
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: have been against unranked teams. like Virginia, although I think
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: they should be ranked in just a matter of time.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: But they don't really fall apart, Bone. Dave is able
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: to always have just a good enough season, win just
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: enough games. Usually it involves beating the rival to leave
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: a good taste in the mouth at the end. It
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: always seems to end relatively well, yeah. To where it's
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: like you look at it and say, that was a
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: solid season, and you kind of forget about the lopsided
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: multi-score loss early in the season, or maybe another frustrating
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: loss or two during the season. How should state fans
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: feel about Dave Doran, Boney?
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: The issue that they're going to have right now is
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: Dave Doran, Mac, during talking season, had a lot more
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: bravado than he normally does.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: He did, man.
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: Usually Dave Doran tries to downplay stuff. This year, I
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: think he got the Wolfpack fans excited. They're usually very cautious, right?
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: We need to wait and see. That's the fan base
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: that always is... you know, trepidatious to jump in. Well,
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: I think Dave Dornmack had some of those fans ready
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: to go this year that they could get to maybe
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: that 10-win area, that they could be in that tier
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: below Miami. So I think it's a little bit shell-shocking
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: that Dave Dornmack finally talked a big game and they failed.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: That's not a good look for him, man.
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: I think there are some fans that are content because
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: they're always– They're always at least good, but at the
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: same time, they're never great. They're sort of stuck in
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: the middle there where we know they're not going to
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: be bad, despite the other day. They're going to find
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: their footing here, but they're never also great. They're kind
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: of just in the middle there. And at some point,
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: the fan base largely will say, look, can we not
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: expect more than just eight or nine wins and go.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Higher than that?
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: Ten of 13 years, they've won seven games or more,
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: but they've never won more than nine.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: So just feel it's usually in that area. It usually
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: is a stat for you to make.
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: And this doesn't pertain to the game the other day
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: because it was a conference game. But Dave Doran against
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: power five teams.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Let me see. Make sure I get that ranked teams
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: and make sure I got it right. It's four and 13.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: It gets power five ranked teams, non-conference.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's eight and twenty nine against ranked teams in general. Yeah.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: one and seven in his last eight against ranked teams.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: So yeah, in those featured games with people watching, it feels.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Like they fall short.
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: It's just, at some point, my question is, when do
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: they want to just make a change? Like, when have
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: they just done.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: The same thing over and over again. And it's time
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: to see if they can go from a good program
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: to a great one.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: Or to see if they can bring in a coach
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: who can have a great year. The problem with that
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: bone is and by no means am I saying, oh,
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: you got to fire Dave Dorn.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: This is one game.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: It was one very bad game, but it does fit
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: the cycle of Dave Dorn seasons.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: It really does.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: Um, I just wonder at some point, will they feel
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: like we got to take a gamble because it is
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: a gamble bone. You're not guaranteed in Raleigh where you
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: have some NIL money.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think you have a boatload of it.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: You're not guaranteed in this era bone to be good
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: most of the time. So there is a risk if
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: they do it. But I do wonder at what point,
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: if this season plays out, they win seven games, plays
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: out the same way the other ones do. I wonder,
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: will the fans ever completely just say, we need a change?
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: And then will the administration there?
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: Ever just want to take that risk, take that gamble
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: of seeing can we do better. We've got to let
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: this season play out, but I do wonder when that happens.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Here's another thing.
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: Dave Doran is 2-11 against non-conference-ranked teams away from Raleigh.
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: I know it's tough to win away from home, but
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: that's another area that he's struggling in is big non-conference
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: road wins.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: H.P.
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: Brody says, what program at State is great? Bass fishing, definitely, y'all.
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: Bass fishing is.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: This texter says, I'm a state fan who's been saying
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: this about Doran for years. It's wash, rinse, repeat. It's
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: ugly losses. It's some nice wins. You beat the heck
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: out of the garbage heels, and you call it a
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: seven-win season. I'm kind of tired of it. This texter says,
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: my fellow state fans act like Doran is hot garbage.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: Hot garbage would have got him fired long ago. It's
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: a solid program, but some want more. Yeah, that's a
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: good way. Yeah, it's definitely not hot garbage. And Dave
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: Dorn's a good football coach. But 14 years, Bone.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Is a long time. So that's my thing.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: Like, could you get to, in the next couple of years,
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: a point where the administration is like, we got to
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: take a shot?
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: I know it's risky. I know it's a gamble. But
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: we got to take a shot. But there's a long
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: season to play out. Their schedule still is one of
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: the best and most– I don't want to say easy
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: because the way they look Saturday, but I don't want
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: to declare anything easy for state manageable. Like they got
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: to find a way to commit to Duke Scott, commit
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: to the run. Receivers got to actually get open. They
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: got to actually stop a run and be ready for
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: a team to run the ball. But like, we got
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: to let this season play out, but I don't blame
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: state fans for starting to feel again.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Like, Oh, are we doing this same thing again?
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: It does feel like an endless cycle. Like it's the
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: same storylines. It's just different people involved, but it's, It's
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: a never-ending cycle of Doran's found something here.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: They're playing better. End of the year. Oh, my God.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Look at State's bringing back next year.
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: The next year. People like me hype them up. How
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: did they start slow? They brought back all these guys.
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: They have a star quarterback now, TJ Bay. And then
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: it'll just, they'll figure.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Something out, Mac. They'll get hot. They'll lose along the
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: way again.
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: It's a never-ending cycle of, basically, Dave Doran has their
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: football program in quicksand. They're not moving really anywhere either
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: way here.
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: No.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: They're just kind of stuck. And if they were stuck
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: at four wins, they wouldn't be stuck for long. Dude
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: would be out on his keister, but they're stuck at
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: seven or eight, and it has kept him there, and
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: there's something to be said for consistency. But when you
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: see a season start and they're not prepared for the
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: big game early in the season, look back, Bonet, they're early.
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: All those non-conference games you're bringing up, many of them
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: are early in the season. Showcase, the country's watching, and
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: look at the scores of those games. And more often
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: than not, they're Ls by 14 points or more, man.
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: And it's just like, why can't you ever have a
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: team ready for for your big close-up early in the season.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: Can I read you a text, Mike, that's very rich
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: from Complainer in Chief? Every year, state fans get excited,
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: then they get a knife to the heart. Complainer in Chief,
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure every year.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: He says it with such glee, too. You get excited to.
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: In your mind, you think you're going to beat State
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: every year, and then you lose. Don't you have the
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: same problem? It's his week, though, baby. It's his week.
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: He called his shot on Friday. He has to never
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: lose in a game again now. 815 says, don't forget
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: NC State's cross country. Four national titles in five years.
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: That is my bad. Got to put some respect on
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: those ladies' names right there. When we come back, speaking
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: of respect, we're going to figure out Dan Morgan's respect
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: level with the fan base right now. Trevin Wallace is
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: a jet. JT Sanders is the subject of trade rumors.
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: Some fans are giving Dan Morgan some more criticism for
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: his 2023 draft class. How big of a deal is
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: that class in fans' eyes? Sports Radio 92.7 WFNZ.