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Salem’s Gallows & Grace: The Delaney Murder & Rachel Belden Brooks · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  Rachel's life remains remarkable. She stands among Oregon's first black pioneers and has
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  recognized as the first documented black woman to live in the state. Her story reflects
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  both the harsh contradictions and the rare opportunities that define the lives of black
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  Oregonians in the mid-19th century. Rachel's story stands as an equal companion to that
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  of the delanies, a reminder that the legacies of power, violence, and resilience are often
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  bound together in Oregon's early history.
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  Hi, Cassie. Hi, Caitlyn. Hi, creepy people. Hello. Hello. This is PNW, Haunts and Homicides,
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  where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all things spooky for Spooktober season.
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  And always, "Oooh, Spooktober, I just like that." That's a thing. Is that a thing you
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  just made up just now? Oh, you're so smart. I don't know. I'm sure somebody else has
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  said it before. I might be recycling that. I don't know. Do you know what else is kind
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  of spooky for Spooktober? What?
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  I like it. Which we do in every episode for a little deeper insight into our topic for
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  the day. Alright, well, we've already talked about this topic a little bit. Like a couple
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  times. Yeah, actually, yeah, we have. So I just wanted to really quick just say thank you
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  to Shell C from Ghosts at the Grand Four. Hooking us up. Seriously. We just did their kind
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  of dry run influencer. Like it's their soft opening for Ghosts at the Grand. It's like a haunted
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  house. It's down in Salem. And thankfully for me, I was able to experience it because they
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  were doing kind of a dry run. And I got to go through a head of time and see everything
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  basically with the lights on. And they also sandwiched me between Cassie and Chris. So everything
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  worked out. We made sure Caitlin had an escape route if needed. Yeah. So if she got overwhelmed
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  and overstimulated, she could step out if she needed to, which she didn't. Yeah. It was
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  totally fine. You guys, I did it from start to finish. I felt kind of bad because we were
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  like, no, and I wanted to respect you because I know it's overstimulating. But I was like,
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  no, seriously, try this one because I feel like this one you're going to like appreciate
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  a little bit more than a normal just walk through jump scare, jump scare, jump scare, jump
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  scare, jump scare. Yeah. Definitely. And just knowing that everybody was like, oh, wait,
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  we have the Cissy pants in the audience. Yeah. And you guys, you know, sandwiching me and,
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  you know, so I have my bubble. That was great. Totally worth doing the trek. So this is kind
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  of the crazy turnaround for that couple of days leading up to Ghosts at the Grand. I went
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  up to Seattle for the Beach shoe Sandy show with Alicia got to hang out with Sandy and
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  Christine and some of their friends and yeah, I've seen an actual green room and Holy
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  Shit. It was green as hail. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So we had a really, really phenomenal time on
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  that trip. And right after their show, I gifted Sandy his very first tarot duck. So I love
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  that. Yeah. Christine was immediately demanding a reading. So I'm hoping that, you know, they'll
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  let us know how that goes. Yeah. Yeah. But back to Ghosts at the Grand. Okay. So drove up to
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  Seattle, went to the show after running around Seattle for a couple of hours with Alicia.
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  We had a couple of hours the next day to hang out at Pike's place and or Pike place. I
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  always want to add an S and you know what? I'm going to count it. I'm going to mark it
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  down is just share exhaustion. Drill back home and then had about two hours of downtime before
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  I had to drive down to Salem for the Ghosts at the Grand. Soft open day. Was it even two hours?
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  I feel like it was like an hour. Yeah, I was like an hour and a half. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't
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  even two. Yeah. No, it was pretty intense. Pretty intense couple of days. And then I actually
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  had things to do on Friday as well. Like a normal job. And normal jobs. Yeah. So that was a lot.
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  Right. But it was totally worth it. So check out Ghosts at the Grand in Salem on the soft
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  opening night. I happen to grab one of their little flyers here. And so I've added into
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  my show notes for the week the promo code that gets you $5 off your ticket. Oh, shit. I
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  didn't know there's a promo code. Yeah. So hot tip. Just the thing. Okay. You got to talk about
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  your trip. And then I drove to Tacoma this weekend to go to the haunted market. So we're
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  like full up and down all over the state all over the PNW. Oh my gosh. Really though.
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  Yeah. I've been everywhere, man. Okay. Spoiler alert is just the singular murder. But we're
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  going to sprinkle in just like a ton of old, tiny racism. So great. Yeah. So I mean, I didn't
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  learn about it in school. So I'm ready. Let's go. And you know what? I spent probably almost
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  as much time working on my show notes, the title and all of that for this episode. As I did
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  for like the research of the episode itself, just because what I learned was, oh my God,
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  this is someone who's been almost entirely erased from Oregon history, like early Oregon
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  history. Holy shit. And I'll I'll give you I'll give you one guess why. Because racism.
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  So that and massage woman. Oh, I was going to say because she's a woman. Yeah. Yeah. She
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  happened to be both black and a lady. So so yay. Rachel. Rachel. Is that her name? Yep.
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  I remember. Remember. Oh, Salem, Oregon wasn't always the capital city we know today.
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  Back in the mid 1800s, it was still a muddy pioneer town with more than its fair share
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  of rowdy saloons and hard drinking hell raising locals. It was the kind of place where gossip
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  traveled fast, making secrets hard to keep. And sometimes those secrets turned deadly.
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  In an environment so lolless and unruly, it almost feels inevitable that a brutal crime
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  would leave its bloody mark on the history of the West. The wild wild west. A wild wild west.
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  I will say in the era that we are predominantly talking about, and I know it's going to come
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  up again later, Oregon had been a state for less than 10 years. Okay. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Wow. Wow. And she was still kind of wild and for like the next hundred years after
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  that. Yeah. In honest. So, oh, PNW, if you're nasty, if you're nasty, the story begins with
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  Daniel Delaney, an early settler of Oregon who was accompanied by his wife and the woman
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  who isn't slaved to care for her. I was wondering if she was sick or if she just, this was like
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  a normal thing, like a lady in waiting, like someone to help you with things. I could see
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  it going either way, but my impression, not having like delved into it super deep, was that
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  she was ill. And I think you'll see why. Okay. Yeah. I didn't look into like if there was
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  a specific diagnosed illness or anything, but it really kind of, it doesn't really have
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  any bearing on the story in particular, but yeah, as a wealthy lady of the South, I could
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  imagine that, you know, she maybe would have had a caretaker in any case, but I think it was
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  because she was ill. Okay. Like tighten my baldest or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of
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  fast. Yeah. I could see it either way, but I think it was the latter. Okay. Delaney had
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  arrived from the South in 1843 already wealthy. He made his fortune in the slave trade
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  primarily. It's a grim reality that we can't gloss over. He used that money to build his life here.
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  Yeah. Yeah. It's not my favorite part of the story. Yeah. Born into slavery in the state of
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  Tennessee in 1829, Rachel Bellden became the property of Daniel Delaney senior in 1842. Prior to his
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  migration west, Delaney sold his plantation in Tennessee as well as his slaves. And I think it's
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  important to say that's not because he'd had a change of heart about the moral implications of
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  owning other humans as it turns out he enslaved Bellden just prior to the journey, specifically
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  tasking her to care for his ailing wife, Elizabeth. So he sold all of the other slaves, but he specifically
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  tasked his latest requirement. I don't know. There's not a good way to put it. It's really
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  yucky. I feel uncomfortable talking about it. I know. Because you're talking about person as
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  property and it's so gross, but it's pretty yucky. Yeah. That it should make us uncomfortable.
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  Yeah. It kind of gives me the it as it were. I was going to say though, it didn't
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  dawn on me even that he would have had a change of heart because you sold them like if he had a
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  change of heart, he would just, you know, I think them regular human beings, then yeah, go free.
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  Yeah. At that point in history, I don't know that still being in Tennessee, there was such a thing
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  as really successfully living as a freed, you know, formerly enslaved black person.
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  Oh wow. Yeah. It would be very difficult to make the journey all the way to Oregon with multiple
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  slaves and tow and they would not have been welcomed into what would later become the state of Oregon
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  because he settled in Oregon before Oregon was actually a state. Oh, okay. So 1843, not a state.
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  Right. Upon moving westward and eventually settling in Oregon, he was known by his neighbors as a
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  hospitable, well-to-do man. His was a life of relative and well-established well. By 1845, the Delaney's
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  had established a home and farm in the Lamont Valley to the south of Salem. Now known as the Delaney
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  Edwards House, it is listed in the National Register of Historic Places. Just outside of Turner
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  Oregon, the Delaney Edwards House has seen more of history than most of us can imagine.
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  Though in truth, most records officially list a Salem address for the home. So Salem, Turner,
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  you know, kind of an interchangeable. Yeah. I think it's sort of like how people living in
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  Gresham or like Milwaukee might just say Portland when they're outside of Oregon, you know, it's like
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  I'm just going to point to the nearest feasible like for you know, the big town of Virginia. Exactly.
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  You know Portland, you may not really like know some of the surrounding area, but close enough.
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  The Delaney Edwards House is one of the three oldest standing houses in the entire state.
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  Portions of the home date back as far as 1845. That was already a couple of years after the
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  Delaney's arrived in Oregon, but it was nearly a decade and a half before Oregon achieved statehood.
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  Thank you. So let that sink in. Yeah. This house was already already sheltering generations
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  when the Inquist still drying on the state constitution. But like we were there you guys. Like we were in
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  the house that was this old. I know I'm still before we were even a state. That's so crazy.
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  Like I'm still getting chills thinking about it. Yeah. Like they're think about how much energy is
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  just there from like that had soaked into the wood and the walls and the yep. She got a lot of energy.
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  Yeah. Like I wonder if that's what if you just like felt everything there and just exploded your brain
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  a little bit. I don't know. I mean I'm really like part of me is like I kind of want to go back and see
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  and part of me is like maybe don't. We're definitely invited back. So just that's why I shall see
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  you love to have a slumber party there with us. I know. And honestly I think maybe we can do a little
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  bit of preparation to maybe you know create a little bit of a of a barrier for a little energy
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  sponge such as the cells. Yeah. So we'll see. Maybe we can make it happen.
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  Recognized for its historic significance the house was added to the national register of
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  historic places in July of 2004. Which honestly what took so long. I know it's that old.
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  And as you all know if you've listened to last week's episode we've been there.
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  And every episode for like the last couple of weeks. Right the last couple of episodes if you've
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  listened. Yeah. We've been there. We keep bringing about it deal with it.
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  Originally built by Daniel Delaney and his wife Elizabeth McGee Delaney the home first stood
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  about 300 feet from where it rests today. It was eventually moved to a studio foundation to ensure
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  its long term preservation. Good call. I know. A second chance of sorts for a structure that's
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  lived through more than its share of stories. Constructed as a wood frame farmhouse it has evolved
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  through generations. The 1845 original structure followed by a parlor addition and kitchen expansion
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  with a charming wraparound porch in the 1870s. Then a wood shed in the early 1900s that through a
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  modern lens looks more like a garage. Today this layered piece of Oregon history operates as a bed
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  and breakfast and occasional host of seances and various salons welcoming guests into a space that
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  stood through more than a century and a half of change. I want to do a seance there so
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  but when you step across that threshold it's hard not to wonder how much of the past still
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  lingers here. This house is stood through pioneer struggles. A brutal murder tied to its builder's name
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  and the slow march of history and while generally it's considered a place of comfort today
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  it's also a space that seems to hold whispers of everything it's witnessed. If only walls could talk.
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  Which technically like their walls kind of do because there's stuff written on them and they're like
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  preserved. I didn't find the home a particularly comfortable space but then I hadn't expected to experience
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  searing pain in my head and the woosiness typically associated with sea sickness. Our gracious tea brewing
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  and gregarious host Vicki on the other hand has nothing but good vibes. Oh seriously oh that
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  reminded me too sorry I just got really excited because I forgot this but I remembered. Vicki is in
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  Ghost of the Grand too so if you go there you'll see her she's like in the show super fun but we
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  digress you know we're sorry I meant to have that to beginning. Getting back to our frontier days
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  one of the men who frequently enjoyed the hospitality that Mr. Daniel Delaney was seemingly known for
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  was George Beale. Beale had once worked for Delaney and was a familiar face around the farm. He was
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  handsome charming and ran a saloon with a Mary and hotel with later stand. Locals said he belonged to
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  a respected fraternity and plenty of people liked him but behind the charm it seems Beale had a habit
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  of talking too much about things that back then and perhaps even now would have been considered
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  impolite topics in some circles like locker room talk or like not exactly he couldn't keep quiet
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  about Delaney's wealth. Oh hmm in fact he even knew that not only had Delaney recently sold off
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  cattle but also that as a result the man was keeping a significant amount of cash on hand. Beale the
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  Woblin jaw really couldn't help himself. That chatty Chad. In the old west a person who drank too much
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  and talked too much was often called a Woblin jaw. I love that. That is a legitimate old-timey slang term.
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  This slang term was used for someone who's inebriation, loosen their tongue and cause them to ramble or
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  talk accessible. Excessively my goodness. I feel like I met a Woblin jaw this weekend. Oh my goodness
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  you surely did. He began bragging about how easy it would be to rob the old man. Oh that's fucked.
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  Okay so the Woblin jaw was talking about how easy it was. I know are we surprised? No.
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  Enter George Baker, a recent arrival to the Salem area. Baker was a butcher by trade. Whisperers
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  circulated about his personal life including his marriage to a native woman. Of course this was
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  likely considered a dark mark against his character. Historically the Wild West didn't exactly embody
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  the love is love ideal. But then you have the other people like the fur trading company that
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  encouraged their employees to marry native people. Yeah and I think that was much earlier.
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  Was it okay? Yeah and I think it's very regionally and in that case it makes sense because that was
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  purely driven by capitalism. Yeah and they wanted them to be incorporated so that they could take
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  over. Yeah. And then they were like okay then don't marry them anymore. We've got what we wanted.
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  That's so fucked. Yeah you guys history really sucks. Anyway, Baker's frequent visits to
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  Beale's saloon soon led to something far darker than camaraderie. Together Beale and Baker
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  hatched a deadly plan. On Sunday January 9th 1865 the two men arrived at Delaney's home.
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  Their faces darkened in disguise because obviously there wasn't already enough racism in this story.
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  So they were purposely darkened their face like colored it. Yeah. Not just like where it wore like a
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  ski mask. Nope they were doing like blackface. Okay basically one knocked at the door asking to be
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  directed to the house of Delaney's son. The old man stepped outside from their accounts differ on
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  the exact sequence of events but what's certain is that a musket fired and Daniel Delaney was killed
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  on the spot. Wow. They just knocked on the door. He comes out and they shoot him.
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  Pretty much. Yeah. I mean I know you said it wasn't clear like exactly clear but that's that's kind
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  of what I've distilled down as like the established events. There are kind of like some other like
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  more minor details that are sort of bandied about and you know oh it could have gone this way or
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  you know they could have said this or that and it's like I don't really care. Yeah. This was you
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  know over 150 years ago so yeah you know what I mean it's like in the end we know here's the
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  couple of things that for sure these happened. It just seems so scary and so sudden like
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  just never know you answer your door and next second you're done. No for sure the Wild West was not a kind
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  mistress. That's a fuck the thing. Why? I mean so that if anyone saw that they would think that
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  black people did it? Did the crime? I'm not really sure. I'm not sure if they thought it was going to
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  disguise them or if they thought oh this will totally fool people and they'll think that you know
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  yeah I just I can't I can't fathom because I really don't think that either of those things could
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  be accomplished by the rudimentary tools that they had if they're just a little and also again 1860s
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  Oregon. There's not that many people just people in about the chance to see. Well I think more
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  importantly it's kind of like kind of everybody knew everybody right yeah there's not that many
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  fucking people so who else do you think they are gonna think it right yeah like I know your face
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  bro yeah you know and here's the thing is like maybe that would obscure their looks just I I don't
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  buy that and it and it super didn't work spoiler alert so stay stupid. The pair ransacked the house
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  taking about $1,400 in cash though some believed the haul was much greater but their crime would hardly
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  go unnoticed as they had hoped. Did they use permanent paint on their faces? That would have been
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  hilarious. I don't think there was really such like they didn't have sharpies back then so
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  that would be really funny if they just yeah something and they couldn't get it off some of the
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  needs just had to walk around like that. I didn't really target that thread as to like what they
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  were using to darken their faces but I have to imagine like I'd hold or something. Grease, ash,
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  coal like yeah something of you know who knows shoe polish I nothing great nothing you probably
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  should put on your face. I hope it was like dog shit cow shit some sort of poo poo these doodoo smear
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  and motherfuckers. Yeah a girl can dream. That's what I'm gonna picture I'm gonna go ahead and just
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  picture that they put doodoo on their faces. Yeah and then you then you could call him doodoo face.
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  Doodoo faces. Yeah yeah like when we talked about the doodoo lure. Yeah.
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  Living with Delaney was a young black child named Jack DeWolf. Now one might ask themselves
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  why was a young black child living with Delaney at the time? Which is a fair question.
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  Their speculation both Jack and his brother Noah were fathered by Delaney. Oh get around town.
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  Well I mean technically if it were true not even getting off his own property. Well you'll see
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  you know it's convenient. Convenience. Convenience of course of course. Yep.
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  The language used to describe Jack in historical sources was as you can probably sadly imagine
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  super duper racist and/or cruelly demeaning. Oftentimes both. What matters is this. Jack was clever
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  and brave. When he heard the chaos unfold he managed to stay hidden apparently concealed in the nearby
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  woodshed. Oh it was described alternately as like a wood pile. It's kind of unclear. He was
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  in a stack of logs. What could have been a wood pile in a woodshed? Yeah. What a wood check you know
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  that whole bit. Yeah. Anywho. Jack saw and heard more than enough to later identify at least one of
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  the intruders. Damn Jack wow. Yeah. So he was like able to even watch because that would be so scary.
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  Did you say how old he was or just that he was a kid? You know we so I came across several different
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  published ages. So anywhere from like seven to twelve. Okay but yeah that's really young still to
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  just very young. Just know that you need to watch and just see he's doing it so that you could help.
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  Yeah just just knowing that like oh something bad is happening and having the wear with all at
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  any of those ages is you know. You know you just look like you see it's something bad happening you
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  don't want to look at it. Yeah. It's scary for a kid. Yeah or at all. Anybody. Yeah it's just bad.
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  By morning Jack told relatives what he witnessed as traces of the men's disguise were discovered
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  suspicion fell squarely on Biel and Baker. A distinctive hat band and the materials used to darken
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  their faces were recovered near a watering trough on Turner Road with evidence mounting quickly
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  both men were arrested. Their trial began that March. So I mean the murder happened January 9th
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  March were going to trial. I'm like honestly great police were you know not bad for the time.
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  Like you found the evidence? Listen to a black child. Yeah and actually and I won't quote the
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  specifics on this because here's the thing is it's reported multiple ways as to whether or not his
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  testimony was actually used in court technically because at the time it would have been illegal for
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  Jack to testify. Oh okay wow because you know racism. Yeah just casually. I never thought about that.
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  Well technically he was illegal just being being there in the state and we'll get to that. Don't worry
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  dude. This is like also complicated. There's so much more racism. It's wild. Okay.
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  The trial was swift. The entire region seemingly eagerly awaiting their punishment.
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  Beale and Baker were locked away in a small red jail tucked into a corner of the courthouse grounds.
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  Meanwhile Carpenters worked nearby. The Wilbur Brothers were busy constructing double gallows
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  in a grove of young oak trees at the corner of church and mill streets. If you pass that area
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  today the oaks are massive immature but they still stand as solemn witnesses to Salem's history.
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  Dude I totally forgot about this part because I semi looked into this was like the only thing I kind
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  of looked into was like the how much not like a ton because I wanted to see if you could still go to
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  the spot. A lot of what I was saying about hauntings in connection to the Delaney case was actually
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  in this spot. That's why I was like kind of drawn to like researching that more so I completely forgot
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  about it though because I dropped it. Yeah and then yes I'm glad you brought it back up. I really want
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  to still go I want to go visit that spot. Oh I do too. Yeah. The courtroom was reportedly quite
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  as spectacle throughout on one side where heavy heading prosecutors Williams and Mallory.
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  It's giving lawn lawn lawn lawn.
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  On the other, Beale and Baker's defense team. It was a clash of Oregon's legal titans of the time.
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  Whatever that means because you know they're probably the only legal type at the time. Yeah I mean
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  the 1860s of it all. I bet they just had fun though like old timey courtroom is just a place I
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  wanted. It just seems like a circus. Oh yeah. I know. I mean people were like smoking openly.
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  I don't know if women were allowed in this particular courtroom but it was not in common for them
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  to be like oh this part of the testimony you know the the fervor the delicate sex just shouldn't
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  hear so they would you know usher women out. I was picturing like when you when I said circus and
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  everything I was picturing like women standing up and going like like fainting and like oh I can't
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  the murder. Yes. Oh the scarlet o'hara. Yeah. Still in the end the testimony of young Jack DeWolf
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  combined with the overwhelming circumstantial evidence sealed the case. On March 25th 1865 the jury
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  returned a guilty verdict. Beel denied his guilt to the end but judge Rubin Boyce or Boise it
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  spelled like Boise wasn't having it that's the important part. He was not having it. He literally
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  told Beel to his face that he was flying. I thought the judges were supposed to be like impartial.
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  Well I mean at this point he's already been found guilty. Okay okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty
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  judgey even for a judge. Oh god we should make that a t-shirt. Pretty judgey even for a judge. Yeah.
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  You're good. I want judges to wear that everywhere. That'd be so great. We need more lady judges. I
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  think that would get that would get people going like really judges to think how that's
• 31:15
  true. Yes people going. It's provocative. On May 17th 1865 judge Rubin Boyce I'm going I'm going hard
• 31:25
  on the Boise sentence George Beel and George Baker to death by hanging. That's kind of how they
• 31:33
  did it back then. Well they were both judges I guess I didn't realize that. Yep. Real common name.
• 31:39
  Salem turned out for the dark spectacle. People came in wagons from Marion, Polk, Yamhill and Lin
• 31:47
  Counties. Probably a lot of other places. Who knows. Some of the spectators came on foot. They walked
• 31:54
  to see someone die. Yeah. Families brought their children. Can you imagine? Like that's not easy
• 32:01
  travel either back then. I have to assume it was people that lived in the nearby surrounding area
• 32:08
  that came on foot. But I don't know. I guess. Yeah. I guess. Okay. The walkers maybe were close. I just hope
• 32:14
  I don't know. Listen. I don't know what to hope for in this case. That's real dark either way.
• 32:19
  Entertainment. You know, people are willing to do anything for entertainment. Think about like the
• 32:25
  Romans. Yeah. Yeah. The men in their finest clothing, top hats and waist coats. Amongst the eager
• 32:33
  strangers, there were also familiar faces. Barflies who used to haunt Beel Saloon now waiting to see
• 32:40
  their old drinking companion meet his end. Jesus Christ. I will say it was very common when they were
• 32:48
  doing a public execution for people that like knew that. That's intense. Yeah. But it's like, I mean,
• 32:56
  you kind of I feel like I wouldn't you feel like you need to be there for like that person as gruesome
• 33:02
  and awful as that is. I don't know. I honestly don't know how to answer that question. No.
• 33:10
  Anyway, I really don't. Among them was a boy named TT Gear. Just a child, he'd once lived with the
• 33:19
  Beel family. He carried a lunch. His grandmother had packed and walked seven miles to the gallows.
• 33:26
  See seven miles. Yeah. Wow. Okay. But get this. 30 years later as governor of Oregon,
• 33:37
  he would recall that day in his autobiography describing the deep revulsion he felt at being part
• 33:45
  of the crowd. So the kid became the governor? Yes. The little kid who walked seven miles with his
• 33:51
  green as well with his pack lunch. Mm-hmm. And it was so grossed out. What a good child. What a good human.
• 33:57
  And so not long after, Beel and Baker were led to the hastily erected double gallows
• 34:04
  and were executed before a massive crowd. The throng of spectators was said to have numbered anywhere
• 34:10
  between one and five thousand all there to witness Salem's first execution.
• 34:16
  Sementing this crime as one of early Salem's most notorious murders.
• 34:23
  Gosh. That's a lot of fucking people for back then. The Wild West. Yeah. That's crazy.
• 34:30
  Did you say that they built those gallows before they were even found guilty?
• 34:34
  Yep. Wow. I don't know. Yeah. Something. These little fishies.
• 34:38
  Something doesn't really sit right with that, right? Why was it the first? Did they just put it into law
• 34:45
  or did they just not need to execute anyone until this point? I'm not sure. I think a lot of times,
• 34:51
  especially in the Wild West as it were. They're just like, hey, let's kill these guys. I think, yeah,
• 34:56
  I think a lot of people died and like especially prior to statehood, a lot of those things wouldn't
• 35:02
  have been officially documented. Oh. Yeah. Interesting. As a territory, I think there were a lot of things
• 35:10
  that probably occurred that it's harder to document officially. That makes sense. It wasn't just the crowd
• 35:17
  or the condemned making noise that day. Hawkers cut through the hush with their sales pitch. One printer,
• 35:25
  Frederick G. Schwatka had rushed print copies of the men's confessions. Hawkers in this context,
• 35:33
  you can think of as essentially small time murderabelia dealers. He sold them as morbid souvenirs.
• 35:40
  Whoa. In those confessions, Bill and Baker admitted their guilt, but each tried to pin the worst
• 35:48
  of it on the other. So here's the other thing is they had confessed in some former fashion.
• 35:55
  I wasn't there. I can't say if they were, you know, in some way coerced, but what little shits, though,
• 36:01
  my other. I was there. I was there. Were you still better? Stay. Do you tell me, do you? Do you? Some witnesses never
• 36:11
  forgot what they saw. I am croissant. Croissant? That's how I'm saying it, because that is how I have
• 36:19
  said it every time I've looked at the name and my notes and in the source material. It is croissant.
• 36:24
  I am obsessed with a buttery croissant. So, who's not anyway? Em. Describe the Mary and rifles,
• 36:34
  a militia unit. Important to note, not to be confused with the Confederate Virginia infantry unit.
• 36:41
  Very different. Right. They were in full dress and armed forming a protective ring around the
• 36:49
  transport wagon, bringing Biel and Baker to the gallows. Like, did was some, were they scared?
• 36:56
  Someone was going to murder them. I'll like on the way there or that they were going to escape. I think
• 37:00
  the concern was more so escaped. Okay. And, you know, that they might be assisted by some people in
• 37:09
  the outside. Exactly. Meanwhile, young Josie LaFour, just 12, and the victim's granddaughter. So,
• 37:20
  Daniel Delaney's granddaughter recalled a final insult. One of the condemned spat in William Delaney's
• 37:28
  direction before the drop. What the fuck? While he was being hanged? Right before he was being, yeah.
• 37:37
  Whoa. So, don't love that. That's rude. But I mean, I killed her relative. And now I'm mad at you.
• 37:46
  I listen, don't, the math ain't math and don't make, don't ask me to make that make sense. I mean,
• 37:53
  unless the only thing I can think is if they for somehow falsely confused, confused.
• 38:00
  It's not even because it's not true. Fossilely accused. Yeah. Okay. Be mad and maybe spit on the,
• 38:09
  but like did that guy even have anything to do with it? Like literally one of the victim's family
• 38:15
  members. Yeah. But I think you're guilty. Right. That's the whole point of that little tidbit having been
• 38:22
  shared. Sheriff Sam Hadrick carried out the grim duty of pulling the lever, sending both men to their
• 38:29
  deaths. According to later accounts, he then dropped to his knees on the scaffold and prayed
• 38:36
  allowed for forgiveness. Oh shit. Yeah. I mean, that's heavy. I know. I was just like holding my breath
• 38:44
  through that because like I was like picturing for some reason me having to do that for whatever reason.
• 38:50
  Like, yeah. I mean, I don't think I could. I don't think you could do it. Even if you like truly in your
• 38:54
  heart of hearts believe that these two men, you know, did what they were accused of and you're like,
• 39:00
  okay, they were found guilty by a jury of their peers, whatever that looked like in 1860s.
• 39:06
  That is that is still very, very heavy. Yeah. I have a hard time even like, I wanted to be a vet at
• 39:16
  one point and like just having to like picture putting dogs down like I was like, I didn't know way.
• 39:21
  Even though it's good, yeah, like better for them. It's right. It's a kind, it's a kind thing to do.
• 39:28
  I just don't, I can barely kill a fucking spider. We all know this. Yeah. Yeah. Me too, but for
• 39:34
  totally different reasons. The crowd began to disperse almost immediately. Spectacle complete and
• 39:42
  omeliggers seemingly satisfied. They climbed into wagons and simply drove away. But the bodies,
• 39:49
  while the bodies were another matter, Baker's family eventually claimed him taking his remains
• 39:57
  to rest in a family plot. Beal wasn't so fortunate. His family refused to take him back.
• 40:03
  It was Daniel Waldo, namesake of the Waldo Hills, who finally claimed Beal's body.
• 40:11
  Though he wasn't a man of faith or a churchgoer himself, he believed even a condemned man deserved
• 40:18
  a proper burial and a measure of dignity and death. Wow. Yeah. I remember reading something that
• 40:27
  was attributed as a quote about this, you know, from him at the time and it said, I may not be a Christian
• 40:35
  man, but if the church won't bury in my will, essentially, I was literally just thinking something
• 40:42
  along those lines. How is the community just not even just wanting a dead body hanging out in the
• 40:48
  open? Right. I mean, if nothing else, but I don't think they had a real grasp on bare minimum
• 40:54
  sanitation. Yeah. He hauled the coffin to his farm, entering Beal on the hillside and erecting
• 41:03
  a simple fence to enclose the grave site. Today, if you were to drive the highway between McLeay and
• 41:09
  Shaw, though the fence has long since fallen away, you might spot the lonely grave marker of George Beal,
• 41:17
  Salem's first executed murderer. Wow. We should go find it. One of two. Yeah. But not everyone's story
• 41:27
  ended at the gallows. There's a strange somber continuity between Beal's burial and some aspects
• 41:35
  of Rachel's story, a shared thread of suffering and the faint imperfect mercies history offered them
• 41:43
  both. For Beal, it came in the form of a stranger's compassion when his own family refused him burial.
• 41:49
  For Rachel Belden, it meant survival in a place that codified cruelty, yet seemingly spared her
• 41:57
  the worst of it. Rachel Belden, who you'll recall, was not only the mother of one of the key witnesses
• 42:04
  Jack DeWolf, but also the enslaved caretaker of Mrs. Delaney, ran the household and tended their
• 42:11
  garden. When the Delaney's brought her to Oregon, settlers assembled in shampooie had just passed
• 42:18
  the 1843 organic law. It established the provisional government of Oregon, including the prohibition
• 42:26
  of slavery. It wasn't until 1844 that another law was passed, designed to exclude and punish
• 42:34
  free black people who tried to settle in Oregon. However, the law was rarely enforced. Records
• 42:40
  mentioned only a single known instance of someone being forcibly removed. So there was no effect on
• 42:47
  the Delaney's or Rachel Belden, upon their arrival in the state, nor during the 20 plus years,
• 42:52
  she was enslaved to the Delaney family in Oregon. Even though the lash law was never enforced,
• 43:00
  it should be noted that didn't mean a number of black residents in Oregon weren't targeted and
• 43:05
  harassed in an attempt to make them flee or see them permanently removed. Like I said, prior to
• 43:13
  becoming a state, I think there's a lot of things that may not have been officially documented.
• 43:18
  I think it goes without saying that there's a strong possibility in some rural communities that bad
• 43:24
  things could have happened that were supported by the very now antiquated and awful laws that were
• 43:34
  established here in the then territory prior to statehood. Yeah, I feel like it's pretty much
• 43:42
  just guaranteed. I don't think it's like a probably. Yeah. I kind of think so too. I mean, the fact that
• 43:50
  there are no documented cases means that that's all it means is there's nothing that was documented and
• 43:56
  that's that's all there is and that's all there's going to be. It's particularly relevant because
• 44:03
  following Elizabeth's passing, Rachel finally gained her freedom. By the early 1860s, she was
• 44:10
  manumitted, freed from the Delaney household after more than two decades of service. I mean,
• 44:16
  some sources say she was pushing nearly three. Wow. Three decades of service. Not long after on
• 44:23
  September 15th, 1863, she married Nathan Brooks, a 70 year old widower who, like Rachel, had known
• 44:32
  more than his share of hardship. Their union was officiated by Reverend John Step, a white minister,
• 44:39
  something unusual enough in that era to make local headlines. That was documented. Yeah.
• 44:45
  And you know what? It happened again. That same year, the marriage of America, Waldo and Richard
• 44:51
  Bogall drew attention for the very same reason. When the couple wed, Rachel already had two sons.
• 44:58
  Again, they were believed to have been fathered by Daniel Delaney Sr. and Nathan had five children
• 45:05
  of his own. Together, they later welcomed two more sons and settled on the farm of Daniel Waldo.
• 45:12
  His name lives on in the hills nearby. Daniel Waldo just seems like a real good fucking dude.
• 45:19
  Really? Yes. He's the one who buried the unclaimed murderer. Okay. He lived on his property.
• 45:26
  He seems like a solid fucking dude. I really, oh, I kind of want to look into him deeper,
• 45:33
  but I'm afraid because I'm like, oh God, no, please don't be secretly trash. Yeah, but it sounds like
• 45:40
  from what we know. Yeah. He sounds like a solid human. Knock on wood, you know, salt over the shoulder.
• 45:47
  You get it. It was there only a few miles east of the Delaney property that Rachel built the rest
• 45:53
  of her life. No longer bound to the household where her story began. She lived to the age of 81,
• 46:00
  passing away on October 12, 1910, a survivor in every sense of the word. Just a year after Delaney's
• 46:10
  murder, though, Rachel Bellden Brooks brought a civil suit and Salem for compensation from the
• 46:17
  estate of the late Daniel Delaney senior. She legally sought payment for the decades of labor.
• 46:24
  She and her sons had provided to the family throughout her years of enslavement. Wow.
• 46:29
  Certainly a bold move for the time. Seriously, like my, I'm like my jaw dropped. My eyes are wide.
• 46:40
  I love her. I had no idea. In the end, she won the case. Holy shit, though, she was awarded only
• 46:49
  $1,000. Far less than the $10,333.30 she had requested. The presiding judge is said to have concluded
• 47:02
  that the food and shelter that Delaney's had provided to Rachel and her children were nearly
• 47:06
  adequate compensation for their labor, which is kind of bullshit, but she still won.
• 47:12
  Well, I mean, she was allowed to live on her own to make the money to
• 47:17
  buy her own food and shelter. It's kind of a, yeah, but whatever. Kind of juggie for a judge.
• 47:24
  After Nathan's death in 1874, Rachel took ownership of their 144 acre homestead on the west side of
• 47:34
  the Blamet River. Hell yeah. She not only managed the land, but sustained her family's livelihood
• 47:40
  there for decades. When she passed away in 1910, she was laid to rest beside her son Noah at
• 47:47
  city view cemetery in Salem. I want to visit her grave too. I know. Rachel's life remains remarkable.
• 47:56
  She stands among Oregon's first Black pioneers and has recognized as the first documented Black
• 48:04
  woman to live in the state. Her story reflects both the harsh contradictions and the rare opportunities
• 48:10
  that define the lives of Black Oregonians in the mid 19th century. Rachel's story stands as an
• 48:17
  equal companion to that of the Delaney's, a reminder that the legacies of power, violence, and
• 48:23
  resilience are often found together in Oregon's early history. The same household that once embodied
• 48:30
  the privilege afforded to families like the Delaney's in pioneer days also became the setting for
• 48:36
  Rachel's eventual independence. In some ways, Daniel Delaney's name has faded into the footnotes
• 48:43
  of frontier crime. While Rachel's life continues to serve as an example of how an unlikely individual
• 48:51
  can leave a lasting impact, embold and enduring ways. I will say she does not feature prominently
• 49:00
  in the same way in Oregon history and I think we understand that that is
• 49:07
  I mean just the most typical and awful whitewashing that we just have come to expect obviously.
• 49:16
  I mean a Black woman, how dare she. And she did something completely amazing too. Like yeah,
• 49:24
  wow, to stand up for herself knowing like what could happen to her if she did. Yep, from history,
• 49:31
  like from the history that she has witnessed her entire life. Her journey from enslavement
• 49:37
  to landowner remains one of the most compelling and overlooked chapters in Salem's past.
• 49:45
  And I had to fact check that as I was writing it because I was like wait, holy shit, in the United
• 49:51
  States women couldn't have their own credit cards in the 1960s and 70s. I think 1974 was when it
• 49:58
  became legal for women to have their own credit card. Are we sure that she actually owned the land? Like
• 50:03
  it happened through inheritance. Okay. But yeah, she sure fucking did. Like that's amazing.
• 50:11
  Stories like Rachel's remind us that history isn't just written in court records or carved into
• 50:17
  headstones. It lives in the choices people made when the world gave them few good ones. The Delaney case
• 50:25
  may have begun with violence and greed, leaving behind a complicated legacy. But it also carries
• 50:33
  the quiet power of survival and self-determination. Rachel Belden Brooks didn't just endure
• 50:40
  Oregon's early years. She reshaped what it meant to belong here and in doing so she thrived.
• 50:48
  And long after the echoes of the gallows faded, her life still speaks. Thank you. Thank you for telling
• 50:56
  me about her. I'm so glad you found like any information on it. I'm so glad it's not completely
• 51:02
  completely gone. I know. I'm gonna send you something. Oh okay, you sent me a writing. It is hard
• 51:09
  to read. Yes, it's very cursive and old-timey. Take a look and see if there's any of it that you can
• 51:18
  make out. And then I will tell you what it is. I see Daniel Delaney. Is that a check? No. I saw
• 51:30
  it looks like $150. So I'll try to read what I can make out of it. Okay. Received of Daniel Delaney
• 51:41
  $450 in full payment for a black girl named Rachel. Age 14 years. There's a lot of it that you
• 51:54
  can't make out. It's signed and it is dated September 1842 when she would have been just a very young
• 52:06
  teenage girl. It's literally a receipt. I was like being positive. I was like, oh, is it a check?
• 52:13
  It's a fucking receipt. No, it's a receipt for a human being. Wow, that's gross. Yeah. But like
• 52:19
  in 14, it also makes me wonder, you know, like we know that possibly she had, I mean, she definitely had
• 52:26
  children. But like the father was possibly Daniel Delaney, right? It just makes me wonder if he bought
• 52:33
  her at 14. It's just giving me vibes of that celebrity guy who adopted a daughter and then like
• 52:39
  married her later. Oh, Woody Allen. Yes. It's giving me those vibes and I just really, I'm really
• 52:45
  glad that she got something out of it. You know, like if it wasn't a good situation for it's making
• 52:53
  me very uncomfortable. Yeah. It's kind of the worst. I found some really interesting photos from
• 53:00
  you know, various decades of the house's existence. Pertinent things related to the case, but that was
• 53:08
  the one that stuck with me. It is literally receipt for the sale of a human being, an actual child.
• 53:16
  Boy, though. Did she have one hell of a come up? Yeah. Oh my God. She gosh, I'm so glad that she
• 53:27
  did such amazing things and got that land and yeah, because she fucking worked for it too. She worked
• 53:35
  for all of that. Yeah. So deserving. And there's so many facets to this case because I feel like it
• 53:43
  really just highlights kind of the cruelty of the era really because it's like I think about the
• 53:51
  fact that they were constructing gallows before the men were convicted. I don't feel good about that.
• 53:57
  They may have been guilty of sin, but holy shit. And same. Yeah. I mean, there's there's a lot of
• 54:04
  things to not feel great about. Yeah. In this case, unfortunately. And it's like gosh, we've come so far
• 54:11
  as humans, but have we, but also have. I guess we're not. Yeah. You read my mind. You're not outwardly
• 54:18
  constructing gallows before people are found guilty, but we might be doing it metaphorically.
• 54:26
  I mean, we're keeping children in cages and a lot of other awful things, but I digress.
• 54:34
  Should we do us some tarot about it? Yes, please.
• 54:37
  I really want Rachel vibes for this card. I just really, really do. I want her to come.
• 54:48
  I want her to come through the card. Pick a card for us, Rachel.
• 54:52
  I have the card drawn in kind of like a half moon. Right, feeling racial. It's the six of
• 55:04
  swords and it looks like kind of like a crab looking thing. Oh, like a hermit crab. Yeah. Interesting.
• 55:12
  Okay. We haven't gotten this one. I don't think we have. No. It just makes me think of like her holding
• 55:20
  the household on her back. Honestly. Is it a hermit crab going towards a bigger shell? It kind of looks
• 55:28
  like needing to get like out growing its home. That's like suffocating it because it's like being
• 55:33
  enslaved, you know, like trapped and then needs to grow and be free. Okay. So I'll start with a
• 55:38
  little book and yeah, like you nailed it. The six of swords. It's a black eyed hermit crab and the
• 55:48
  key phrases are finding a new home, escaping a bad situation, departure, starting over,
• 55:57
  a right of passage. Moving is such a pain. It never goes quite as smoothly as you hope it would.
• 56:06
  On the off chance, you actually find the perfect shell. Half the time, another crab is already
• 56:12
  scudderling toward it. And those moments when you've left your old, you've left your old home and
• 56:20
  aren't in the new one yet or terrifying. Not least because you're easy pickings for a goal.
• 56:26
  Not to mention, maybe the new place doesn't even work out. There's some gross sand at the bottom
• 56:32
  or it doesn't fit quite right. Well, good luck getting back in your old house when some other
• 56:37
  crab has already claimed it. Plus it takes months to settle in. All that time spent
• 56:42
  molting, barely sticking your head out of the sand. It's enough to make you want to give up on
• 56:48
  moving it all together. But then I think about all the shells I've had, how I've grown into each one
• 56:55
  and then outgrown it. Every move I've ever made has been for the better.
• 57:00
  That's so Rachel. Wow. This is all the stuff she had to go through to get to her final
• 57:13
  destination, her final home. It's crazy. We are talking a lot about a house too.
• 57:20
  I think that whole thing was about a home and a house. Keywords are movement escape, a change for
• 57:29
  the better. A escape? Wow. Literally escape. Change for the better man. The six of swords
• 57:39
  represents moving away from past troubles, putting them behind you. It marks the beginning of a new
• 57:46
  phase after a time of upheaval. Some decks depict a person in a boat, varying six swords, symbolizing
• 57:55
  pain, struggles, regrets or losses across a body of water so the wounds can heal on another shore.
• 58:03
  Wow. And she experienced all of that. Yeah. The upright six suggests smooth sailing ahead.
• 58:12
  As you leave behind the trauma and sadness of the past, you're embarking on our new path
• 58:18
  and the changes you make now are based in the wisdom you've gathered through suffering.
• 58:23
  Sometimes this card symbolizes a journey, either a physical or spiritual nature, perhaps a vision
• 58:32
  quest. Wow. She definitely went on a journey, man. Yeah, she did. In a reading about money,
• 58:40
  you've learned much as a result of past difficulties and now have more clarity that can help you benefit
• 58:46
  financially. Oh, yeah. Literally. Sometimes this card recommends letting go of an investment or
• 58:54
  possession. It can also represent relocation or travel for financial reasons. If the reading is
• 59:02
  about your job, this card shows your work situation improving. I think she was a sense of you were.
• 59:11
  Perhaps you've resolved past problems or you've chosen to move to a different position that suits
• 59:16
  you better. Sometimes the upright six symbolizes a business trip. In a reading about love,
• 59:23
  the upright six indicates you and a partner have resolved major problems and arrived at a place
• 59:30
  of harmony and understanding. Let bygones be bygones. In some cases, this card means leaving an
• 59:38
  unworkable relationship for something better. Wow. I was sort of thinking about what the love one
• 59:44
  was going to say. I was wondering if she had any hard feelings for Daniel. We just talked about
• 59:54
  the receipt and all of the things that may or may not have happened. We really have no idea. I was
• 1:00:01
  I was wondering how she was feeling about it. Obviously, I don't know for sure, but I feel like she's
• 1:00:06
  telling us. It is what it is. I got my boys out of it. I got my land out of it. I ended up with.
• 1:00:14
  Yeah. Another man. Honestly, I think because here's the thing based on the things that we know about
• 1:00:23
  the timeline, it seems like Rachel and her boys were still living on the property after she was
• 1:00:33
  technically a free woman. Then she married at a certain point and it wasn't until after Delaney
• 1:00:40
  died that she went after the estate. I think in the end, it seems representative of let bygones be
• 1:00:50
  bygones. I'm holy shit. I don't know how you let literal slavery ever factor into that, but I think
• 1:00:59
  that in her case, she won the lawsuit. She ended up being the first documented black female resident
• 1:01:09
  in Oregon. She went from literal slavery to property ownership and he left her the land, right?
• 1:01:17
  Or did she just inherit it because she was -- Because they were married. That's right.
• 1:01:21
  Okay. It sounds like whatever chunk of land that she had inherited that was specifically
• 1:01:28
  through her marriage, not because of her relationship, whatever that allegedly or factually was with Delaney.
• 1:01:37
  I was just wondering too. If he really didn't want her to have it, I'm sure he could have written a
• 1:01:43
  will or something leaving it to somebody else. I really don't know how that would work.
• 1:01:47
  Yeah. I mean, certainly. I'm sure they had ways of stopping a woman from owning land if they
• 1:01:52
  really weren't really wanting to. Sure. So, yeah. I mean, and here's the thing is that she had two sons
• 1:02:00
  and he had five children before they got married. But Nathan and Rachel had two additional children
• 1:02:09
  together. So it's very possible that yeah, like maybe he could have written into a will that he wanted,
• 1:02:17
  you know, all of his earthly possessions to go to, you know, their shared biological children.
• 1:02:24
  Anything's possible. I guess any, you know, it's a -- I want to know more. Anything's possible.
• 1:02:33
  I need more details. Rachel. It's built the tea. I know. To be honest, it really,
• 1:02:39
  it sounds like in the end this was a woman who was, you know, about her business and about not just
• 1:02:45
  moving on and surviving, but figuring out a way to go for what she deserved. And like I said, to thrive.
• 1:02:55
  Yeah. Thrive is like the word I was thinking of. Yeah. Yeah. She's amazing. Honestly. I really feel like
• 1:03:01
  she pulled this card too. Like I was like really asking her because I'm like, we just love you. Can we
• 1:03:06
  have a visit and pull card for us? Truthfully. We just talked to you up so hard, girl. Come on.
• 1:03:11
  It's hard for me to imagine us having pulled a better card for this case. And you know,
• 1:03:22
  it's hard because there are so many people, like I said, this really just this whole story for me
• 1:03:31
  just shows how brutal things were at this point in history and especially in an area that was like
• 1:03:40
  so brand new for the people inhabiting it. Like obviously there had been people inhabiting it
• 1:03:48
  long before any of the settlers, you know, came west, but rough, dude. It was rough for the two guys
• 1:03:55
  that like obviously it really seems I don't have to qualm saying that they I mean they were found guilty
• 1:04:01
  and I believe they were guilty, but it is a raw deal to sit in the jail cell and hear your gallows
• 1:04:08
  being constructed. Yeah. That's fucked. That's intense. Daniel Delaney, slave owner, don't love that.
• 1:04:15
  Also though don't kill people. Yeah. You know, but I feel like not not to be like that person.
• 1:04:24
  Like everything happens for me. But he freed Rachel. It's so obvious how Rachel got such a raw deal
• 1:04:32
  for so many years. But then in the end, the way that her life so radically transformed, it's like,
• 1:04:39
  you know, it's rags to riches and then the complete opposite for for some. Yeah. I really wonder
• 1:04:46
  to like how much money they got because you said it could have been more than the $1,200 or whatever.
• 1:04:54
  $14 or $1,000 is the amount that was reported like very, very widely. I did see some sources say 1900.
• 1:05:03
  I thought you were saying maybe that they had more and they hit it somewhere and like they weren't
• 1:05:07
  found with it or something. Very possibly. Like there's hidden treasure. This is what I'm getting
• 1:05:11
  at you guys. I'm really excited about the fact that there might be hidden treasure. Okay. I need a
• 1:05:16
  national treasure situation. That. Yeah. Absolutely. So just a quick Google search. $14,000 in 1865 is worth.
• 1:05:27
  I'm going to say approximately between $26,426 today and $27,826.
• 1:05:40
  I mean, it was a lot of money, but to kill somebody for 30 grand today, I'm like, once again,
• 1:05:46
  I am forced to state that no amount of money wouldn't. I mean, yes, yes, but also I just would like
• 1:05:53
  to point out that wouldn't even pay off my student loans. So have a creepy ass day. See you next Tuesday.
• 1:06:01
  Unless it's you, Rachel, because like come over anytime, girl. I know. Seriously, you're invited.
• 1:06:08
  Whenever we want to hang out with you. Yeah. I know. Hopefully she's not annoyed by us. We're just
• 1:06:13
  fans. I mean, just like if you go just like cool about it though, like I don't listen. I've had a lot of ghosty.
• 1:06:20
  Oh my god. She said no, I won't be chill. I'm freaking out. Is she going to come back? You have got to be
• 1:06:33
  kidding me. Okay. Well, I logged back in because I was like, I guess I got kicked off. Like I don't.
• 1:06:39
  Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. I was sitting here talking. I was like, okay, she said no, I won't be chill.
• 1:06:45
  It happened immediately after you said that. Look so bizarre. Everything just like closed. Like
• 1:06:51
  everything closed. And I was like, Rachel. That's right. Rachel, girl. I'm here. It's a bye. I get a calming
• 1:06:59
  vibe from her though. I feel like she's strong. No nonsense. Yeah. That's why I feel like she
• 1:07:09
  slightly could get annoyed with us because she's just like no nonsense. And we're just like a
• 1:07:14
  150% nonsense. So that's tough. She can have a sense of humor. She showed us in the car. She has
• 1:07:20
  a little sense of humor, but it's like, but also like get it done like stop. Yeah. No, it's like
• 1:07:25
  that's tough to hang with. I get that. So she'll just visit us occasionally, but like, you know,
• 1:07:31
  she won't be around all the time. That's the vibe I'm getting. I hope so. I think she'll be with us if
• 1:07:37
  we need like a strong. I don't know why I feel like now she's a part of our show. Yeah. Like I feel
• 1:07:43
  like she's gonna show up around us when we just need like a strong woman like get through it,
• 1:07:48
  journey. Like if we're ever talking about another woman like that, like she's gonna be around us.
• 1:07:54
  I feel it. Rachel Stan. Rachel Stan.