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11-6 H4: X's & O's w/ Hugh Millen, Jason Kanzler Audio & Raise a Pint · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know. We don't want to get too far ahead
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  Speaker 1: of things here, right? Yeah. Don't sound too good. No.
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  Speaker 1: Throw everybody off. Exactly. Yeah. There's an expectation when people
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  Speaker 1: tune in the mornings. Don't shatter that. It was business
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  Speaker 1: as usual. Same old, same old. There you go. All right. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't talked to you all week, so we've got
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  Speaker 1: a lot. Good to have you back. I hope you
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  Speaker 1: had a great time. Yeah, I did. Yeah, yeah. We
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  Speaker 1: missed you. Yeah, good. Thank you. Okay. But I haven't
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  Speaker 1: gotten to pick your brain about this quarterback issue, so
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  Speaker 1: I apologize in advance if you've talked about it all
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  Speaker 1: week long, but it looks like we've got a little
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  Speaker 1: something stirring over there. And I'm going to be on
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  Speaker 1: Team Sam until the end, but if Drew Locke does
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  Speaker 1: something here in the next couple of weeks, what do
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  Speaker 1: you think it's going to turn the conversation into?
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  Speaker 3: Well, when you said something stirring, I thought you might
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  Speaker 3: allude to the conspiracy theory that this is some kind
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  Speaker 3: of soft benching, which I don't have an extensive enough
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  Speaker 3: vocabulary to say how ludicrous and absurd that is, in
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  Speaker 3: my opinion, particularly in light of Drew Locke's elbow injury
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  Speaker 3: that is very serious. repetitive throwing injuries have afflicted the
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  Speaker 3: likes of Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana, Ben Roethlisberger, and some
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  Speaker 3: of those, Bradshaw lost his career because of it. Montana
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  Speaker 3: lost two years. You break those tendons, ligaments off the bone,
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  Speaker 3: and you're in for a long rehab. So given Drew
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  Speaker 3: Locke's health, I just think it's preposterous. But look, I
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  Speaker 3: think there's always a scale. Can you lose your job
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  Speaker 3: to the injury?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because a coach has more information after he sees the
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  Speaker 3: backup play than he did. I don't think that Bill
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  Speaker 3: Belichick ever thought that $ 100 million Drew Bledsoe was going
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  Speaker 3: to be replaced by six-round draft pick Tom Brady. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think that Dick Vermeule thought that Trent Green, who
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  Speaker 3: they'd spent, I don't know what the amount is, but
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  Speaker 3: they had spent a pretty penny to get him And
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  Speaker 3: then undrafted free agent Kurt Warner was going to emerge.
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  Speaker 3: So the window, the door is always open. And the
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  Speaker 3: door is open for Drew Locke. Having said that, I'm
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  Speaker 3: with you. I don't think the problem is Sam Darnold.
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  Speaker 3: He's shown that you can win a Super Bowl with him.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's more of a question. What's that? Proven fact. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And, oh, by the way, not a– Trent Dilfer style win,
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  Speaker 3: go back and watch the NFC championship game. And we've
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  Speaker 3: talked about the numbers and we, we all know what
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  Speaker 3: he did. And, and furthermore, I hear this, I hear
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  Speaker 3: this thing about quarterbacks like, well, you know, he's a
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  Speaker 3: type of quarterback that, you know, he needs a good,
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  Speaker 3: you know, good players around him and what have, he
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  Speaker 3: can't lift a team as if it's binary as if
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  Speaker 3: there's two groups, like this is the group that can,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Josh Allen and, and Mahomes and what have,
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  Speaker 3: and this is the group that can't. Well, for my opinion,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's multiple shades of gray, 256 shades of gray.
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  Speaker 3: And I would say this, all of them need help
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  Speaker 3: at some regard. I mean, we've seen Pat Mahomes have
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  Speaker 3: two Superbowls where he was dreadful and the chiefs got
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  Speaker 3: run out of the building. You just saw a week,
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  Speaker 3: less than two weeks ago, Pat Mahomes looked horrible in
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  Speaker 3: a game against the Seahawks. Josh Allen has never played
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  Speaker 3: in a Super Bowl. But you think he's not capable
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  Speaker 3: of taking a team to a Super Bowl championship?
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  Speaker 1: So I think on.
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  Speaker 3: Some level, every quarterback needs help around him. Now, you
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  Speaker 3: could say Some need more than others. That's obvious. But
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  Speaker 3: this idea that it's just like, well, here's the here's
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  Speaker 3: the guys that can lift every team. And here's the
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  Speaker 3: guys that can't lift any team. You know, you could
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  Speaker 3: have I would say this. Jalen Milrow can win the
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl. If you put a, a strong enough team
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  Speaker 3: around him, like if you took, if you could somehow
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  Speaker 3: thought experiment now, this is not literal, but if you
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  Speaker 3: could somehow take the first team, all protein from all
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  Speaker 3: 21 other positions and put them around J Jalen Milrow,
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  Speaker 3: hell pick the worst. Uh, what, what fat Fagnano last night,
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  Speaker 3: if you put 21 first team, all pros around him,
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  Speaker 3: he probably can win a super bowl. So every guy
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  Speaker 3: can now, uh, it's just the 250 shades of gray. Well,
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  Speaker 3: which ones need more? And so, uh, Darnold has proved it. And, um,
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  Speaker 3: and yet look, the, the, the least for him is
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  Speaker 3: not unlimited. And, uh, I don't know if drew locks
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  Speaker 3: going to convince anybody, um, over the next couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 3: Cause he, he, um, he, he gets the Cardinals and
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  Speaker 3: the Raiders and, and, you know, and I'm not sure
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  Speaker 3: how you, how impressive that'll appear to be. Maybe for him,
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  Speaker 3: if he really wanted to, to win the Seattle Seahawks job,
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  Speaker 3: he would have needed to play against a tougher opponent.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll see how it plays out. That's generally my
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  Speaker 1: thoughts when you're talking about the quarterback controversy. Hugh Mellon
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  Speaker 1: X's and O's this thing. here on a Friday, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of different quarterback things to discuss. But let's
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  Speaker 1: stay on Drew Locke. What you saw from him back
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  Speaker 1: in weeks one and two, the time off, and what
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  Speaker 1: that can do to a quarterback that might have been
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  Speaker 1: getting into a rhythm but certainly wouldn't have it now.
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  Speaker 1: And so what is your expectation for Drew Locke against
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  Speaker 1: the Cardinals on Sunday? How well do you expect he'll perform?
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  Speaker 3: First of all, When you go back to how he performed,
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  Speaker 3: he had the two games, and he still is ranked
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  Speaker 3: number two on pro football focus for both passing and
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  Speaker 3: overall offensive grade, which counts everything. The only guy ahead
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  Speaker 3: of him is Joe Burrow. Obviously, far less reps, but
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  Speaker 3: he played his ass off. He threw balls to the outside.
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  Speaker 3: He threw anticipatory balls to the inside. He read the
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  Speaker 3: blitz adjustments, he moved in the pocket, um, the correct amount,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that's like Goldilocks in the porridge. Don't be
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  Speaker 3: too skittish and move unnecessarily. Don't be an iron deer
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  Speaker 3: on the lawn and, and not help your offense by
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  Speaker 3: just being a statue. Like, like I think his pocket movement, uh,
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  Speaker 3: other than the first sack against the Patriots from that
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  Speaker 3: point on, uh, I thought his pocket, uh, presence, if
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  Speaker 3: you were grading, just that was, was, uh, sensational.
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  Speaker 1: So, He played really well.
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  Speaker 3: His play action, 34%, whereas Sam's closer to 24%, and
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  Speaker 3: he really excelled in play action. Now, the difference will be,
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  Speaker 3: and he's going against an Arizona defense, guys, that's given
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  Speaker 3: up 29 touchdowns in eight games. That's dead last in
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  Speaker 3: the league. They give up a passer rating of 110.
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  Speaker 3: which is second to last in the league. So there's
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  Speaker 3: really some opportunities there, right? What's the challenge for him?
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  Speaker 3: And I think what played in his favor was that
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  Speaker 3: he played in, in weeks one and two for a
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  Speaker 3: backup that you're, you're close on the heels from a
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  Speaker 3: time proximity standpoint, from having been in training camp where
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  Speaker 3: you're getting often cases, just as many reps as, as
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  Speaker 3: Sam Darnold, the number one, and you're, you're getting reps
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  Speaker 3: in your own offense and, with each week that passes
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  Speaker 3: during the regular season, yes, you're staying sharp going against
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  Speaker 3: the number one defense because you're the scout quarterback, but
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  Speaker 3: you don't kind of have that timing. So I think
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  Speaker 3: the calendar helped him before. And then, of course, the
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  Speaker 3: other part of it is he hasn't thrown for three weeks.
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  Speaker 3: So whatever timing that he would have maintained going against
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  Speaker 3: the Seahawks' number one defense, well, there's a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of rust there from not having played, and there's a
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  Speaker 3: concern about the elbow. And so I think there's some
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  Speaker 3: material aspects of this start for him that's going to
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  Speaker 3: be different than what he had.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see what he's made.
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  Speaker 3: I still think that the Cardinals are– you know, inferior
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  Speaker 3: enough that it should be okay. But, but then, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they beat the Rams and the Cowboys. So, so, so
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  Speaker 3: you can't, you've, you've got to respect what they can do. And,
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  Speaker 3: and so at any event, uh, That's where I think
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  Speaker 3: they are. How many reps would.
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  Speaker 1: You try to, how would you use Jalen Milrow in practice?
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  Speaker 1: Because he is your backup. He certainly hasn't had any
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  Speaker 1: reps this year. I mean, he would have to play
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  Speaker 1: if Drew Locke has an injury on Sunday, it sounds like.
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  Speaker 1: And so how, how would you use him this week
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  Speaker 1: to prepare him for that role?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think there's a couple of different phases or
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  Speaker 3: aspects that I would answer that question. First of all,
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  Speaker 3: I think the, came up that, hey, you would want
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  Speaker 3: to see Jalen Milrow to make a decision about whether
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  Speaker 3: or not he can be your backup for next year.
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  Speaker 3: And certainly that in a vacuum is a sound concept.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm sure John Schneider, there's a portion of him
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  Speaker 3: that wants to see it. Now you switch it to
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  Speaker 3: the head coach and you say, hey, coach, what do
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  Speaker 3: you say we put in Milrow and let him play
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  Speaker 3: for a series or something? Because we got to see
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  Speaker 3: him play. That part I don't think would register with
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  Speaker 3: Mike McDonald whatsoever in terms of, well, we've got to
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  Speaker 3: see him for the future. Mike McDonald's trying to beat
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  Speaker 3: the Arizona Cardinals. I've played for six Hall of Fame coaches,
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  Speaker 3: and that is the strong sense that I've got from
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  Speaker 3: all of them, and that they would all be aware
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  Speaker 3: that the Cardinals beat the Cowboys and the Rams.
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  Speaker 1: And that they're four and four and they need to
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  Speaker 1: win this game. Like this is, you know, this game is, is,
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  Speaker 1: is one of those.
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  Speaker 3: I've heard it said, said a quarterback said, Hey, here's
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  Speaker 3: the play on to don't drop it. Don't drop it. Well, that,
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  Speaker 3: that is psychologists.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: Don't say don't drop it.
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  Speaker 3: Like, don't you, you can't, you, you know, don't, don't
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  Speaker 3: break the huddle and say, don't drop the ball.
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  Speaker 1: Because that gets into the tight ends of the receivers hit.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But having said that this game is don't lose it. Don't,
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  Speaker 3: don't drop this game to the Cardinals. You're, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you're at home, you're four and four, you're, you're a
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  Speaker 3: closing desperation time. Don't lose it. And if that creates a,
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  Speaker 3: some kind of wonky negative psychology, so be it.
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  Speaker 1: Don't lose the, to the Cardinals. Is that fair? So,
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  Speaker 1: so you, you, in.
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  Speaker 3: My opinion, you're not, you're not, toying around with, well,
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  Speaker 3: let's see Milrow so we can make a decision for
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  Speaker 3: next year. Now, what Mike McDonald would be open to is, hey,
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  Speaker 3: there is some probability greater than zero that Drew Locke
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  Speaker 3: will not be able to function. At some point, he
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  Speaker 3: might not be able to throw at all, in which
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  Speaker 3: case we have to give more time and attention to
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  Speaker 3: what type of packages we have for uh, Milrow.
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  Speaker 1: And if you want to give.
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  Speaker 3: Him time, because you're anticipating, Hey, what happens if drew
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  Speaker 3: lock goes down, you know, a quarter from now, that
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  Speaker 3: would make more sense to Mike McDonald, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 3: than trying to say, okay, let's get some reps for
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  Speaker 3: him so we can make a decision in the off
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  Speaker 3: season about him.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Well, we're facing off against, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one of your favorite Cougs of all time, Gardner Minshew.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's, uh, uh, yeah, I just remember all your
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  Speaker 1: takes on his mustache and his, uh, his jean shorts
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  Speaker 1: and everything else from the past character. Well, I hope
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  Speaker 1: that I, I, I sounded amused by the guy. I
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  Speaker 1: think he's amazed by the guy.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think that, I think that he's a
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  Speaker 3: fresh air, uh, and certainly something that Cougars needed the energy.
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  Speaker 3: He had a hell of a year. Um, here's a
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  Speaker 3: guy that was thinking about, you know, just being a
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  Speaker 3: GA and getting into coaching and, and Mike Leach talked
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  Speaker 3: him into one more year of playing. Think of, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that is a, that is a life changing. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he's made tens of millions of dollars being a wacko, but, uh,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, he's played damn well in a lot
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  Speaker 3: of spots. It's like he plays well when he's assumed
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  Speaker 3: to be a two, as soon as you say, okay,
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  Speaker 3: you can be a guy. Well, let's pay you like
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  Speaker 3: a number one. Let's let's, let's give you the pressure
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  Speaker 3: being a number one. It seems like he doesn't handle
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  Speaker 3: that as well, but he, but, but, um, you know,
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  Speaker 3: here's a guy that, uh, let's first talk about Jacoby
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  Speaker 3: Brissett because I, as a Seahawks fan would have preferred
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  Speaker 3: to see Joe, Joe, uh, Jacoby Brissett. He's he Brissett
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  Speaker 3: was Oh, and four in starts against Seahawks under 55% completion,
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  Speaker 3: a rating of 76, only 165 yards per game had
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  Speaker 3: given up 13 sacks. Um, and a week to, uh, uh, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 3: two months ago, uh, only had 95 yards and no
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  Speaker 3: completion more than nine yards. Um, Now Minshew is a
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  Speaker 3: different style, whereas Jacoby Brissett is going to be deeper
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  Speaker 3: in his drops, big dude, not a great athlete, doesn't
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  Speaker 3: like to move. Brissett is going to be about eight
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  Speaker 3: yards behind the line of scrimmage. Minshew is going to
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  Speaker 3: be closer, so your angles of where he's going to be.
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  Speaker 3: Minshew is more likely to move around and try and
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  Speaker 3: distort the defense. He's got a quicker release, wants to
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  Speaker 3: get the ball out. So stylistically, they're a lot different.
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  Speaker 3: All of his throws are from a week ago against
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  Speaker 3: the Cowboys that went 10 yards or more from the
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  Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. I think there was about eight of
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  Speaker 3: them I watched on the tape. Seven of them were
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  Speaker 3: to the right side of the field and one was
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  Speaker 3: down the middle. I don't know if that's going to
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  Speaker 3: be meaningful to Mike McDonald, but there's some aspects that
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  Speaker 3: maybe you can game plan. Maybe you roll the coverage
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  Speaker 3: to that side of the field and then you know,
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  Speaker 3: play a little bit of solo coverages on the left
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  Speaker 3: side if Minshew isn't comfortable throwing over there. So they'll
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  Speaker 3: encounter the different style, and then they also have to encounter,
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  Speaker 3: I think the team's probably going to get a lift
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  Speaker 3: and maybe a momentary belief, you know, because Minshew has
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  Speaker 3: been known to do that, to give a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of confidence and energy to his teams. But it's like,
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  Speaker 3: as I said, a comet, you know, burns bright, but Short-lived.
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  Speaker 1: No doubt. Well, let's talk about one other thing because
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  Speaker 1: I find this very fascinating and I wanted to get
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  Speaker 1: your take on it. So one other topic other than
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks is Grace Abel suggesting this week that it was
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  Speaker 1: a lot harder adjustment than he anticipated it would be.
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  Speaker 1: Said it was one of the most difficult things he's
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  Speaker 1: ever done in his football career. Um, can you put
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  Speaker 1: that into perspective? I know you never know lined up
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  Speaker 1: at guard in your entire life, but can you understand
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  Speaker 1: how difficult it seems easy? You're a guard, just move
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  Speaker 1: over a couple of feet. Uh, but how difficult that
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  Speaker 1: might have been for him? Well, I think that, um,
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  Speaker 1: a couple of things.
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  Speaker 3: No, cause I've never tried to throw the ball left-handed,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you know, actually I did, I did once
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  Speaker 3: I did where it was, I think it was against
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  Speaker 3: the jets. I did throw a left hand, but, um, uh, but,
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  Speaker 3: uh so so in from that regard no but i
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  Speaker 3: think we can all relate a little bit with most
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  Speaker 3: of us been on a skateboard right um you know
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  Speaker 3: water ski i like to have my left foot forward
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  Speaker 3: if you ask me to have my right foot forward
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  Speaker 3: some people they call goofy foot or whatever i i
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  Speaker 3: can't do that and some guys can play left guard
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  Speaker 3: right guard and go back and forth um kevin green
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  Speaker 3: was a hall of fame uh outside linebacker edge rusher
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  Speaker 3: who could only come from the left side the defense's
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  Speaker 3: left side the offense is right he just he felt
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  Speaker 3: totally uh uncoordinated no strength what no coordination come from
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  Speaker 3: the other side so it's tough you know uh back
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  Speaker 3: when i was at the falcons i remember feeling like
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  Speaker 3: the mouse my my computer mouse was giving me some
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  Speaker 3: tendonitis in my index finger and i'm like Whoa, I'm
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  Speaker 3: a professional quarterback. This is not a good thing. So
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  Speaker 3: I just switched over to using a mouse with my
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  Speaker 3: left hand, which was really hard. But here's the important thing.
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  Speaker 3: And anybody of us could do this. Within three days,
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  Speaker 3: you could switch to a mouse with your left hand,
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  Speaker 3: and you'll be just as good as with the right.
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  Speaker 3: But it won't be the first day. It won't be
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  Speaker 3: the first 30 minutes. But you can quickly. relatively quickly.
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  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden now I felt within
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  Speaker 3: three days, I felt just as comfortable. And within three weeks,
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  Speaker 3: I felt like I was faster with my left hand
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  Speaker 3: probably wasn't true. So, so that speaks to Zabel, like, Whoa,
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  Speaker 3: this is my first, that was like the first 30
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  Speaker 3: minutes of changing your, to your mouse left-handed, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's like a funky. So, but I think he can,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: he can pick it up. He's got over a thousand
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: reps on the right side. I think 13 or 1400
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: in college on the right side, either right guard or
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: right tackle.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: So, he'll be okay. But I understand for sure. I understand.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: And in the conversation, like I said, with Kevin green
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: saying like, I am a complete spaz. If I, if
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: you put me on the right side, I can't do it.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: And yet he makes the hall of fame on the
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: left side. So I think different athletes, um, uh, adjust
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: to it differently. I, you can't make a blanket statement
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: that all guys would have trouble, uh, going and you
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: can't make a, uh, a blanket statement that no guys
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: would have a trouble.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: So, um, All right, that's my thought. Trey McBride, real quick. Yep.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Anders is right. Hey, bud, you're right.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: In 2024 and 2025, yards given up to tight ends,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: they were 17th. And the last year, they were 27th
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: in the league with first being best. But this year,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: the Seahawks are third.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: And then EPA and success, I've got other stats in
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: that regard. Sure, sure. But we had talked about that
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: earlier in the week, and I'm like, I think Anders
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: might be right, but I'm not sure he's right. At
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: any rate, you were right, but it's gotten a lot
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: better this year. All right, that makes me feel better.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, rock and roll. Oh, for a while there, it
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: was every tight end. Years ago, before McDonald's. It was indeed.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: And then Brick Bright, corner outs. Number one in the
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: NFL running corner outs, so be careful of that. He's 6'3,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: and 5'8, 25th percentile. Relatively short tight end, but that
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: makes him quick. And he's very strong when he catches
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: the ball. So he catches those checkdowns. He's looking for contact.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: And so you better bring your hat when you try
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: and tackle this dude. He has 66 catches.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: The next closest tight end is 41.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Jeez.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: He's a freak show at tight end. You better stop 85.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Is it alright if Anders shares one of his chocolates
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: that you sent him with me? Can I at least
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: have one? Should we make him earn it? I'm not
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: sure if he's capable.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Laughter You better not set it up there.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I think it's just got to be active generosity. Okay.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Because then, yeah. He'll starve to death. Then the expectation
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: will be set. Yeah, yeah. Good point. He'll starve to
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: death if he's trying to earn it. All right. Have
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: a great weekend. All right, gang. Have a great weekend.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Hugh.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Hugh Mellon, our QB1 X's and O's with Hugh, brought
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: to you by Frost Brewed Coors Light. All right, coming
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: up next, yeah, we've talked about this a couple of times,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: but there's still a lot of meat left on this bone.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: It's my first show in a week and my first
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: chance to really talk about Jason Kanzler. the new manager
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: of the Mariners. There are a few other topics that
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: we've even yet to get to. So we'll discuss that
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: next on KJR.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: In my opinion, it's all the things that you don't allow.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: It's all the things that don't happen. It's the things
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: that you hold the line against. It's doing, obviously, the
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: big things right. It's doing all of the little things
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: right all of the time. But most importantly, it is
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: not doing the wrong things as much as humanly possible.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: What we allow is what we stand for, and so
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: that's what culture means to me.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, good choice, Chris Kidd, because that's exactly what I
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: wanted to talk about. It's Chuck in the morning, Sports
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Radio 93.3 KJR FM. Chris Kidd, Anders Hurst. My name
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: is Chuck Powell, back from a few days off. So
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: thank you very much for welcoming me back in your hearts.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: You're welcome. I'm just assuming that you do. Yeah. We do.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Don't worry. At least I do. I can't speak for
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Christopher Kidd. And if you don't, don't tell me. Okay.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I'd rather just live in blind belief. I just want
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: blind faith. Yeah. Yeah. Easy lies are better than hard truths.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Blind faith makes the world go round. Let's face it.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: So anyway, I missed the old Jason Kanzler hiring and
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: have been itching to talk about it. And we certainly
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: will have many more days to discuss. As a matter
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: of fact, it looks like we're going to have a
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: really long period of time. where it might be the
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: only thing to discuss baseball-related, because I'm not sure if
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: we're going to have another move. Probably not. Before they
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: lock people out. But very, I mean, we've already talked
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: about this, just what a risk that Jerry and Justin
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: are taking, rolling the dice on bringing in someone with
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: zero managerial experience to fix a team that they are
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: still selling to us as a world championship contender. They
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: fell far short of that this past year. They were embarrassing,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: to use a word from John Stanton, to use a
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: word from Jerry DiPoto. An embarrassing season for the Mariners
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: this year, considering their expectations. But they're digging in, and
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I think they're right to, on that this same team
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: can win big next season. But it's very obvious with
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: this hiring and that clip that you just heard from
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Jason Kanzler what they're going to be leaning on in
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: order to fix that, what they're counting on. That clip
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: was a total freaking indictment of Dan Wilson. Was it not? Yes.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Let me read it. I'll just read it for you.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Culture is, in my opinion, all the things you don't allow.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: That's what he said in response to the question, what
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: you don't allow. All the things that don't happen. It's
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: the things that you hold the line against. It's doing
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: obviously the big things right. It's doing all of the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: little things right all of the time. But most importantly,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: it is not doing the wrong thing as much as
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: humanly possible. That was his quote. So to me, that's
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: why he's here. That resonated with Jerry and Justin. To me,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: it's very clear when you hired a guy that feels
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: that way about culture, what does that tell you? It
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: says you did not feel that way about the culture
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: that you had this past season. All those complaints that
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: people had about this team doesn't care and the Randy
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: or Rose Arena pull-up down the left field line and
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Josh Naylor's lackadaisical attitude at times at first base and
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: their horrible record when it came to challenges, they never
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: did adjust at any point in the season to that.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: All of those things that fans felt irritated about, it's
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: very clear that so did ownership, so did management, and
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: when they hired a new guy, they have faith in
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the players that they have. They wanted a culture, and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: that paragraph to me says it all about what Jason
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Kanzler sold them on Because what he said is what
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: was missing from this team a year ago. They are
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: banking on the fact that this guy's going to bring
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: that culture to this roster and turn things around immediately.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: I think if you were to poll fans as to
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: if you were to choose one thing that you're really
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: looking for when you're evaluating who Jason Kanzler is as
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: a manager, it will be that.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: It will be.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: Do you still see those Julio throwing the ball into
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: the stands when there's only two outs?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Do you see those... It was like 19 to nothing
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: at that point. Sure, sure. Yeah, yeah. But I mean,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: those kind of moments, you know what I mean? Yes,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: Yes, so.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: If you were to ask the majority of Mariners fans,
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: that's what they will be watching more than anything else.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: More than decision making and taking out pitchers. More than
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: what lineup card you put out there. More even so
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: in some ways than how players will perform closely to
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: the back of their baseball cards.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I think it is more, do we see those.
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: moments where we as fans feel like man this team
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: doesn't feel like it's focused it doesn't feel like they
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: care will we have more of those moments or will
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: we finally get a team that looks like it's battling
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: out there looking to try and win every game try
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: and do all the little things right that's what people
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: are going to be looking for and that's how Jason
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Kanzler I think will be most evaluated by by the fans.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Well And he can say it. Sure. It's another thing
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: to execute that. It's another thing to be a proven
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: enough leader that people will follow what you say. I mean,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you can say, we're going to keep you from doing
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: the wrong things, but if they don't respect you, they're
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: going to keep doing it. I mean, and they can
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: like you. This is what we saw last year. They
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: can all like you, but they didn't respect him. Either
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: that or Dan never came down on them at all.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: think that's a possibility to be completely honest somebody on
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the coaching staff had to say we don't play like
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: that at some point and it kind of went in
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: one ear and out the other that's how it looked
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: so if it looked to you that way and you
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: were like or am i seeing things that paragraph that
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: quote right there about what culture is is absolutely flies
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: in the face of what the way that this team
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: operated this past year. And there is no greater example.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I know people think it might sound weird, but to me,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: there is no greater example than the ABS challenge thing
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: in terms of proving this. The fact that they never
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: changed their philosophy. They told us, we heard it from
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Manny Acta. Remember when Manny Acta had to do a couple?
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: And he said, we talk to them. We share it.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: We tell them what's It has to be situational when
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: we should use it. And the fact that it never
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: did change the entire year. Game 162, Josh Naylor still
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: challenging an 0-0 pitch with the bases empty and two
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: outs in the second inning. If you had any authority,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: you would have at least changed that. And it sounds
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: to me like, I mean, Jerry DePoto's comments after the
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: season was over spoke to this, spoke to the lack
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: of accountability, questioning effort at times. You don't hear that
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: a lot from a front office, but they saw the
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: same thing that you saw, you the listener saw, that
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I saw. And I did say many times this past season,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: it's not that they don't care, but if you don't
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: hold your players to a certain standard. And if the
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: other players don't hold their peers to the standard, if
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: nobody's being held to a standard, then what you end
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: up with was the performance and the underachievement that we
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: saw this past year. Maybe it's not the issue. Maybe
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: it will be the roster. Maybe that's what we'll find
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: out if we even play baseball in 2027. If that's
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the case, I don't think Jerry and Justin have a
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: leg to stand on. But that paragraph tells you all
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: you need to know about this hire and what they
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: felt about last year's coaching staff led by Dan Wilson.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: They did not think they were getting that paragraph from
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: their leaders, from the parents, the adults in the room.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: We might not get it from Kanzler. There is no
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: indication that he has the ability to command the authority,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: command that kind of authority, and have players play for
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: him as hard as he envisions them playing. We have
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: no clue as to whether or not he's going to
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: be able to make that happen. But we do know
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: now definitively, in my opinion, that that's what Jerry, Justin, John,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: and Jason Kanzler, in watching their team play from a
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: different dugout, felt that was his editorial on the 26 Mariners.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: They didn't get that out of the 2020-2026 Seattle Mariners,
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: that he feels like that can be a difference that
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: he is coming in to make.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I agree. All right, we're going to raise
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: a pint to close out the week. Boy, it's been
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: a long week on the air, I'll tell you that much.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM. Time to acknowledge someone, either
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: in the sports world or... It doesn't matter, really, that
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: deserves a toast in their honor here to close out
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: our week. So, Andrew, show us how it's done.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: I'm going to raise a pint to our office food organizer,
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: Rich Strauss, for his— You mean the Pancake King?
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: The Pancake King, exactly. Oh, okay. It comes in handy many—
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: He does not agree right now.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: Many a time about— Not about anything else other than
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: his pancake making and his idea that kind of has
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: actually done really, really well in getting people to kind
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: of discuss things a little bit more in the office.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: And I just wanted to say we should do more
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: of that kind of stuff. So Rich Strauss, well done
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: on the flapjack Friday, he calls it.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: So I like it.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: Continue it. And he even had a little question of
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: the day out on the board today. Oh, gosh. He
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: put a little whiteboard so everyone had to answer, are
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: the washer and dryer siblings or are they dating? It's
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: a very Rich Strauss question. That is a very rich
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: draft question.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: So which is the answer? Are they siblings or are
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: they dating? Siblings. They never touch. Yeah, good point. Good point.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: They never touch. Yeah. They never come together.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I honestly don't know what the answer is,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: but I feel like there's no bad answer.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I'll just say this. I do appreciate the gesture. Yes.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: One of the problems with doing like a Friday pancake
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Friday thing that we do. is the day that you
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: stop doing it, then people are angry with you.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Even though you've done it for every week for years.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: And then they're like, where are the pancakes? Pancake king
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: my ass. You know, you have that guy that's angry
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: that he doesn't have the pan. I was counting on those.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I didn't eat breakfast. I was running late. Damn. You know,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: there's always that that happens. So it's a big responsibility
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: to take on. And he's just, he's flawless with it. Yeah,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: he's doing well. That said... He is the type of
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: kid in school that would probably put, like, fly guts
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: in your pancakes. Absolutely. Yeah, and so, yeah, I'm not
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: so sure any of us should be eating them. I
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: just ate one, so we'll see. We'll see what happens.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: He even wears an apron. He's the type that is like, hey,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: look over there. You know, and this is a little loogie,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: little loogie in your hot cake. Exactly. How about a booger? Yeah, exactly. Hey, hey,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: what's that outside there by, you know, out there by
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: the mountain?
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: You know, that sort of thing. YouTube saw that. Kid,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: who are you going to raise a pint to? I'll
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: raise a pint to an NBA champion.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: But now he's getting his chops in the acting world.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Jalen Brunson as he guest appeared on
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: NBC's Law & Order SVU.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: You know why, right? Well, I know Mariska. Yes. She
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: is a huge Knicks fan. Huge. She was dancing around
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: during the playoffs like a 11-year-old child.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: So it was only right that the face of New
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: York right now, why don't you come on the show?
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: And he was actually a detective. Detective J.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Madison. That's his name. Is that right?
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was a pretty cool little... It was
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: cool to see. And then his dad also got a cameo,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Rick Brunson. So the Brunsons were in the latest episode
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: of Law & Order.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: So that was pretty cool. So I'll raise a pint
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: to that. Did you see the episode? I saw the clip.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Can he act a little bit? Because I'll tell you
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: who can act is OG. That little clip that he
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: did with Ben Stiller, that was some good comedic timing.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: He was great. Oh, I'll have to check that out.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: He can act. Raise a pint to OG, too. Yeah,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: there you go. My bad. I raise a pint. I'm
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: going to raise a pint to the man that's on
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: the television screen here in studio, Nick Saban. I finished
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: the documentary last night, the Nick Saban documentary. I mean,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I spent my entire life respecting Nick Saban, but never
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: really liking Nick Saban. I thought he was angry and
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: a bully with the media and probably with his players
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: as well. And yes, you put together a dynasty, but
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: that's when you got to Alabama and all of this stuff.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know that he was great at what
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: he does, but watching the documentary, you get such a
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: better feel for who he is, why he does things.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: It It's impossible not to come away like incredibly impressed.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: And since he's become like a TV personality, you get
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: to see like he has a personality. He's like the
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: best part of game day as far as I'm concerned.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Totally agree. Yeah. And then you watch the documentary and
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: you see a side to him that. He never exposes
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: for you. And I will say it's almost impossible not
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: to come away from the documentary being a big fan,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: even though I wasn't one my entire life. So I
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: raise a pint to Nick Saban. Raise a pint. Maybe
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: the greatest college football coach of all time. All right.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Have a great weekend out there. Anders, Chris, thanks for
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: holding down the fort. Greg Bell's coming up next. Sports
• 35:17
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