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The Rita Panahi Show | 25 June · The Rita Panahi Show

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Speaker 1: On scoring wields Ostrodia.
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Speaker 2: This is the Reader Paney Show.
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Speaker 3: Good evening, Anne, Welcome to the Reader Panekey Show. Coming
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Speaker 3: up tonight. Labor doubles down on incoming Governor General Sam
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Speaker 3: Moyston's outrageous pay increase. Professor in Plymer fact check some
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Speaker 3: of the left's nuclear claims, and later in the hour,
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Speaker 3: an Australian academic, a law professor, claims she's been bullied
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Speaker 3: by activists who cannot tolerate her Christian views. Josh Hammer
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Speaker 3: will bring us the latest from the US, including the
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Speaker 3: deal that freed Wikilis leader Julia Sange, and we never
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Speaker 3: neglect to bring you the segment that has millions of
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Speaker 3: views online each and every week. Left he's losing it.
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Speaker 4: So the reason why people heat fat people is because
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Speaker 4: people heat black people. And appearing curvely or bigger is
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Speaker 4: associated with blackness, especially black women, and that's where they're
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Speaker 4: discriminated in the workplace.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is Harold's Sun colonist Patrick Carline. Patrick.
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Speaker 3: Earlier today, you were in the Supreme Court for the
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Speaker 3: Greg Lynn case. A astonishing verdict here he was charged
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Speaker 3: with double murder. He was found guilty of one and
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Speaker 3: not guilty of the other.
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Speaker 2: That's right. Look, the jury took seven days to come
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Speaker 2: back with their verdict. I think by today most people
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Speaker 2: were thinking it might be a mistrial or a hung jury.
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Speaker 2: The jury asked some questions yesterday. They gave some indication
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Speaker 2: that they might actually try and convict for the murder
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Speaker 2: of Carol Clay as opposed to Russell Hill. And it
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Speaker 2: seems that the jury basically didn't believe the story that
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Speaker 2: Greg Lynn put up about a struggle was resulting in
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Speaker 2: a headshot wound to Carol Clay. So look, there was
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Speaker 2: some sense of it in the question yesterday. But I
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Speaker 2: think a lot of people will be very surprised by
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Speaker 2: such a deliberate sort of verdict, very precise verdict.
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Speaker 3: There are legal observers, lawyers who are absolutely shocked. But
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Speaker 3: I guess when they took manslaughter off the table to
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Speaker 3: be not guilty or murder, perhaps that explains today's verdict.
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Speaker 3: How long before we get a sentence on this.
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Speaker 2: Look, I think it will take months. I think there's
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Speaker 2: the next court date is in July. That's just to mention.
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Speaker 2: It'll take another few months after that, and you might
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Speaker 2: see some appeals as well.
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Speaker 3: In this case goes on now. The following story could
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Speaker 3: be distressing to some viewers. A new video has emerged
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Speaker 3: of three wounded and terrifying young men taken hostage by
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Speaker 3: her Mass on October seven. The men Hirsh Goldberg, Poland,
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Speaker 3: Or Levi and Elijah Cohen were at the Nova Music Festival.
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Speaker 3: The footage shows the terrified, bloodied men on the flatbed
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Speaker 3: of a pickup truck. One of the men, Hirsh Goldberg Poland,
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Speaker 3: has suffered a horrific injury, with part of his left
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Speaker 3: arm blown off by her mass grenade. This footage was
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Speaker 3: uncovered by the IDF and was last night shared by
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Speaker 3: the families of the three hostages. Oh no good, but,
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Speaker 3: a statement from the Hostages and Missing Families Forum says,
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Speaker 3: this harrowing footage stands as a damning testament to the
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Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty two day long abandonment of our
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Speaker 3: loved ones. Hersh Alion or were taken alive and they
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Speaker 3: must return alive today, Patrick, This footage again reveals the
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Speaker 3: sub human savagery of her Mass, the brutality, and there
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Speaker 3: is increasing pressure on President Joe Biden to do something.
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Speaker 3: Given one of those men, Hirsh Goldwig Poland is an
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Speaker 3: American citizen.
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Speaker 2: Oh. Look absolutely, I mean you can understand that pressure
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Speaker 2: being applied. I mean, if there was Australian there, you
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Speaker 2: would hope that the Australian authorities would do everything to
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Speaker 2: free an Australian hostage. You can see why that pressures.
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Speaker 2: You're going to ratch that up as time goes on. Look,
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Speaker 2: I think it's important that footage is shown because it
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Speaker 2: seems that we've got lost in the pro Palestine sort
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Speaker 2: of retoric that this actually all started by the massacre
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Speaker 2: of eleven hundred people and they saw one hundred and
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Speaker 2: thirty six hostages being kept in gas or at the moment,
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Speaker 2: if those hostages were released, we wouldn't be having a
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Speaker 2: war the way that it is going at the moment,
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Speaker 2: would we.
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Speaker 3: Well no, And this is the thing that I do
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Speaker 3: not understand from the anti Israeli activist, pro Palestinian whatever
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Speaker 3: you want to call them. If they at their protest
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Speaker 3: at least made some sort of a call for release
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Speaker 3: to hostages, made some sort of a call against her
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Speaker 3: mass then they would have a lot more credibility than
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Speaker 3: they do. But they refuse to do that. And in fact,
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Speaker 3: if you turn up to one of these protests holding
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Speaker 3: her mass a terrorist sign, you're the one who gets attacked.
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Speaker 3: So that kind of tells you the mindset a lot
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Speaker 3: of these activists. They are not really interested in a
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Speaker 3: sea spy because if you want to see spy, you
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Speaker 3: would be calling for the hostages to be released. Now
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Speaker 3: the nuclear debate rages on, we've got intelligent discourse, and
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Speaker 3: we've got some juvenile scare mongering of some from some
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Speaker 3: labor ministers activists, and there's further the evidence. I think
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Speaker 3: that the left cannot mean they're just no good at it.
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Speaker 3: We've seen Labor pushing various memes as part of this
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Speaker 3: ridiculous anti nuclear scare campaign, and their union mates are
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Speaker 3: not much better when it comes to putting together videos.
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Speaker 3: Look at this effort from the official account of the
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Speaker 3: Australian Council of Trade Unions. So so it's been a
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Speaker 3: pro loving heat Now let me see, I'm the biggest heater.
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Speaker 5: I hate the way that you walk, the way did
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Speaker 5: you talk, I hate the way did you dress?
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Speaker 2: I hate the way did you sneak this? If I
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Speaker 2: test flame, it's gonna be the writ.
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Speaker 3: I don't know who that's convincing. But then again, I'm
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Speaker 3: not in the TikTok world. That was also on Instagram
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Speaker 3: where I spotted it. How do you see this debate going?
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Speaker 3: We mock the scare mongering, but it can actually be
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Speaker 3: very effective.
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Speaker 2: Oh look, it can be. I don't think something like
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Speaker 2: that's very efficive, to be perfectly honest. I think what's
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Speaker 2: got lost in this debate is Australia's one out against
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Speaker 2: so much of the world. You look at the g
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Speaker 2: twenty countries fourteen you produce nuclear power two or three
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Speaker 2: hours others are looking to do so we're one out
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Speaker 2: with this ideological sort of fear that nuclear is going
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Speaker 2: to sort of, you know, be dangerous. And what also
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Speaker 2: gets lost in this is we're going to be reliant
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Speaker 2: on whether it's coal or gas or nuclear for a
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Speaker 2: very long time. And if we don't go nuclear, the
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Speaker 2: renewals aren't going to cut it, certainly not reliably across
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Speaker 2: the board for a very long time. Hopefully they do it,
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Speaker 2: but we need something to make energy reliable. Why not
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Speaker 2: look at nuclear? Why not look at it?
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Speaker 3: Well, we're sitting on the world's biggest reserves of uranium.
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Speaker 3: You would think that would be one good reason to
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Speaker 3: look at newtu We're not doing much gas exploration or
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Speaker 3: coal plants, so base load power has to come from somewhere. Now,
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Speaker 3: let's talk about the Governor General. The incoming Governor General
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Speaker 3: has been much criticism yesterday about the fat pay increase
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Speaker 3: that she's going to receive, But Labor is defending Sam
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Speaker 3: Mouston's salary package, which is more than forty percent higher
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Speaker 3: than the current GG David Hurley. This really, to me
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Speaker 3: is in defensible Patrick. You look at the perks that
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Speaker 3: come with this job, the staff, the residents, the first
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Speaker 3: class travel. It really should not have a salary that's
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Speaker 3: higher than the Prime Minister. How is that justified?
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Speaker 2: It's a forty three percent pay rise on the current raide.
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Speaker 2: I mean, in this cost of living sort of crisis
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Speaker 2: that we're living in, how do you justify that. It's
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Speaker 2: been on every front page of every newspaper across Australia today.
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Speaker 2: People are talking about it, People are outraged. Why make
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Speaker 2: this choice and pegging it to the Chief Justice of
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Speaker 2: the High Court. That's a real job.
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Speaker 3: This is a ceremonial role. This is someone who goes
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Speaker 3: to morning teas and cuts ribbons and attends functions. It
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Speaker 3: is not a role that is enormously taxing intellectually, unless
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Speaker 3: there's some sort of a constitutional crisis once in a century,
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Speaker 3: then you'll be acted on to make some decisions. But
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Speaker 3: I think something like this really should go to an
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Speaker 3: eminent Australian and it should not have a salary attached,
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Speaker 3: because the perks you get with the job are significant.
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Speaker 3: I think it should almost be like I don't know,
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Speaker 3: afol club president, where you don't get a salary but
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Speaker 3: it comes with great prestige and its important role. Yes,
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Speaker 3: and I'm sure there will be a lot of eminent
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Speaker 3: Australians who still put up their hand to do it. Absolutely,
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Speaker 3: Maybe not leftist activists like this one.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I won't get into that.
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Speaker 3: But yes, yes, Now I want to speak about quantas
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Speaker 3: because they're not what they used to be. I fly
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Speaker 3: them often, I can talk you that firsthand, and they
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Speaker 3: used to be considered one of the top airlines in
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Speaker 3: the world. They're all normally in the top ten airlines,
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Speaker 3: but now they're not even the top twenty. According to
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Speaker 3: the latest Skytracks Awards, Qatar Airways is number one in
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Speaker 3: the world, with quantas sitting at a lowly twenty four.
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Speaker 3: The spirit of Australia ain't what it used to be. Patrick,
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Speaker 3: I think.
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Speaker 2: Most Australians would be surprised at Corners made the top
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Speaker 2: twenty four offline Singapore offlowing Qatar. As we all have
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Speaker 2: from time to time. There is such a distinct difference
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Speaker 2: between the service of a good airline and then there's quantas.
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Speaker 3: They charge like a premium airline, but there's service levels
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Speaker 3: I think approaching budget levels.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and they've lost the trust of Australians through the
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Speaker 2: Shenanigans under Alan Joyce in the last few years. It
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Speaker 2: used to be this wonderful brand that we also looked
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Speaker 2: up to it as an icon. Now it's not. Now
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Speaker 2: it's just a very expensive.
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Speaker 3: Plane, that's it. And I think people who travel regularly
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Speaker 3: have learned that those who travel infrequently still perhaps old,
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Speaker 3: put Quantus on a pedestal, but one bad experience and
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Speaker 3: that all changes now. To a report from the Herald
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Speaker 3: signs of Michael warnerm Sports Integrity Australia warning that the
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Speaker 3: AFL and other Australian sports need to take urgent action
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Speaker 3: to combat illicit drug use by their athletes. This week,
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Speaker 3: they recommended an immediate overhaul of the AFL's illicit drug policy,
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Speaker 3: which allows players to avoid drug strikes and undergo off
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Speaker 3: the books testing under what they call a medical model.
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Speaker 3: The Chief of Sport of Integrity Australia, David Sharp, said
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Speaker 3: significant into vents is required immediately to address the illicit
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Speaker 3: drug culture in sport and the increasing and unacceptable risks
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Speaker 3: post of players, officials, clubs and Sporting codes. Sport Integrity Australia,
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Speaker 3: along with several partner organizations, have identified evidence across Australian
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Speaker 3: sports of clear dangers of criminals influencing sports through the
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Speaker 3: supply of illicit drugs, including by praying on athletes or
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Speaker 3: support staff to access inside information. And this is important
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Speaker 3: because we've got gambling, it's enormous sports gambling. You've got
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Speaker 3: the criminal world and the manner in which players are
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Speaker 3: accessing these drugs. You could see players officials being blackmailed
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Speaker 3: to provide information to behave in a corrupt manner. And
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Speaker 3: I wonder if the Sporting codes are really treating this
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Speaker 3: as seriously as they should.
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Speaker 2: I think mister Sharpe makes a very good point there.
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I like bet lots of us, do
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Speaker 2: you can bet on the first ball or a cricket
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Speaker 2: match being a no ball, or the first serve of
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Speaker 2: a tennis match being a fault. Now, if you have
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Speaker 2: players who are potentially leveraged by the various elements, I
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Speaker 2: mean it's not a big step to imagine that that
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Speaker 2: sort of thing and that sort of corruption of the
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Speaker 2: sport could happen pretty readily, and certainly off camera as well.
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Speaker 2: I think it's a very good point. I think it's
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Speaker 2: something that we need to look at very closely.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely in the AFL, in particular with that ridiculous drug
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Speaker 3: policy which is really designed to make sure no player
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Speaker 3: ever gets three strikes.
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Speaker 2: And well, the players have been gaming it for years
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Speaker 2: and years, are they.
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Speaker 3: Obviously, if the loopholes are deliberate, they're not accidental in
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Speaker 3: that code. They've got to acknowledge the obvious there, Patrick Harline,
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Speaker 3: thank you so much for your time this evening.
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Speaker 2: Thanks.
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Speaker 3: Vernon joining me now is a steam geologist. Professor Ian Plymer,
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Speaker 3: in the Smart Energy Council CEO, appeared on Sky and
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Speaker 3: You with Karen Gilbert and he sort of fact check
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Speaker 3: Opposition leader Peter Dutton's claims. Let's have a look at
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Speaker 3: the clip the Smart Energy Council tweeted itself, which was
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Speaker 3: also shared by Minister for Climate Change and Energy Chris Bowen.
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Speaker 6: How other country in the world can keep the lights
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Speaker 6: on twenty four to seven with the renewables only policy?
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Speaker 2: Where in the world has that?
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Speaker 7: Just one at Costa Rica, for example, one hundred percent
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Speaker 7: renewables right, there are plenty of examples globally and here
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Speaker 7: in Australia, right.
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Speaker 6: We know that the government has a renewables only policy
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Speaker 6: which is just not fit for purpose. The state of
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Speaker 6: Tasmania is entirely powered on renewable energy.
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Speaker 2: Actually the Act one hundred percent renewal energy day night,
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Speaker 2: twenty four hours a day, three sixty five days a year.
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Speaker 3: Costa Rica. Plenty of examples globally, we're told Tasmania act Ian,
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Speaker 3: do you care to fact check the fact checkers?
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Speaker 8: Well, you've got to understand he's got to snout in
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Speaker 8: the trough and he's talk in his own book. Now,
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Speaker 8: Costa Rica, you could not in any way compare with Australia.
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Speaker 8: It is not a G twenty industrialized country. You cannot
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Speaker 8: have an industrialized society without base load power that comes
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Speaker 8: from gas or coal or nuclear that is a fact.
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Speaker 8: The second thing is to look at Tasmania. Well, there
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Speaker 8: is a cable going from the mainland to Tasmania because
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Speaker 8: quite often Tasmania doesn't have enough power and they have
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Speaker 8: to back up with diesels. There are times when there's
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Speaker 8: not enough rainfall in Tasmania and they can't run their hydrate.
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Speaker 8: So Tasmania sometimes exports power to the mainland and quite
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Speaker 8: often imports power from the mainland. So that is absolutely wrong.
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Speaker 8: And to look at Canbra, I mean really, Canbra doesn't
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Speaker 8: generate any of its own electricity. It gets its electricity
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Speaker 8: from New South Wales, the bulk of which a coal
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Speaker 8: fired power station of power going into Canbra. Now I
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Speaker 8: admit there are times milliseconds, perhaps minutes, there are times
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Speaker 8: when canber and South Australia and Tasmania might be running
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Speaker 8: one hundred percent on renewables. But what the people don't
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Speaker 8: seem to tell us is that the sun doesn't shine
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Speaker 8: all the time and the wind doesn't blow all the time.
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Speaker 8: We've had wind routs that have killed off renewables and
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Speaker 8: we still get more than sixty percent of our power
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Speaker 8: from coal. So that is blazonly misleading. And then to
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Speaker 8: claim that it's cheap. There is no country in the
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Speaker 8: world where renewables are cheap. The only good thing about
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Speaker 8: renewables is that the subodies subsidies keep renewing and going
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Speaker 8: to those promoting them. But we, the poor taxplayer and consumer,
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Speaker 8: just have to keep coughing up. It's certainly not clean
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Speaker 8: energy because when you look at the amount of filth
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Speaker 8: that is generated in China to develop wind turbines and
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Speaker 8: to build these soul of panels using slave life, that
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Speaker 8: is not clear. And it's certainly not environmentally friendly with
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Speaker 8: the amount of wildlife and forest lands that we kill.
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Speaker 8: And as to being reliable, pull the other one. So
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Speaker 8: I think these people are absolutely panicking because all of
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Speaker 8: a sudden we have a decision that has been made
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Speaker 8: to give us cheap, reliable, twenty four to seven power.
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Speaker 3: The activist class, including much of the media, seem to
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Speaker 3: be in some sort of a meltdown over this debate
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Speaker 3: even occurring. They're terrified that the Australian people will have
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Speaker 3: a choice, that will have options come the next election.
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Speaker 3: And I'm not sure if you've seen this piece in
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Speaker 3: The Guardian that says Dutton's nuclear plan will be an
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Speaker 3: economic disaster that would leave Australians paying more for electricity
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Speaker 3: because well, because nuclear is the most expensive form of electricity.
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Speaker 3: But in this isn't the experience. In many parts of
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Speaker 3: the world. The French pay less for electricity than the Germans,
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Speaker 3: who went down the renewable's path very strongly. And in
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Speaker 3: Finland electricity prices dropped dramatically when the new nuclear reactor
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Speaker 3: was connected.
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Speaker 8: Well, if you read the Guardian, you deserve to be mislead.
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Speaker 8: So I haven't seen in the Guardian something I don't read.
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Speaker 8: But we do know the official figures in this country.
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Speaker 8: To generate electricity from gas and there's the AMO figures,
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Speaker 8: there's fifty nine cents of killer what our. The CSIRO
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Speaker 8: report says that to generate electricity from nuclear is thirty
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Speaker 8: one cents to killer what our. So the numbers are
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Speaker 8: in and the facts don't lie. So we have a
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Speaker 8: global example right across the world. Countries that have got
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Speaker 8: nuclear have cheaper power. But what people don't seem to
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Speaker 8: realize is that it is reliable. You have one decent
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Speaker 8: hail storm and you've wiped out solar power. All the
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Speaker 8: panels get destroyed. A hailstorm with a nuclear power station
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Speaker 8: does nothing. And what people should understand is that one
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Speaker 8: atom of the uranium produces twenty million times as much
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Speaker 8: energy as burning one atom of carbon. So if you
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Speaker 8: want to have a small fingerprint, if you want to
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Speaker 8: be energy efficient, and if you want twenty four to
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Speaker 8: seven cheap reliable power, nuclear is the only option.
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Speaker 3: Now. Mike O'Connor wrote in The Career Mail that Anthony
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Speaker 3: Albernizi as unseated greensleader Adam band as looney in chief
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Speaker 3: because of his anti nuclear barrage of bull dust. He
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Speaker 3: also wrote, when it comes to insulting the intelligence of Australians,
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Speaker 3: the decision to suggest that nuclear power would result in
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Speaker 3: three eyed coolers was right up there with the best
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Speaker 3: and a spectacular own goal. All the PM and his
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Speaker 3: genius advisors managed to do was to convince all reasonable
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Speaker 3: minded folk that if the Government was prepared to go
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Speaker 3: to such extraordinary lengths to demonize nuclear power, then there
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Speaker 3: must be some merit in the proposal. When compared to
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Speaker 3: the Labor Party, Suddenly the Greens were looking like moderates.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure Adam Bant will see that as a challenge
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Speaker 3: to step up his game. But on a serious note, Ian,
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Speaker 3: are you surprised by the tactics employed by the senior
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Speaker 3: ministers here and the Prime minister? They really have gone nuclear.
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Speaker 3: Excuse the pun with the scare mongering, with the hyperbole.
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Speaker 3: It's not an approach you would expect from the government
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Speaker 3: as serious politicians, serious adults determining our country's future.
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Speaker 8: Well, I think mister Dutton's announcement of nuclear caught the
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Speaker 8: government napping.
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Speaker 9: They didn't consider that such words could come out of
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Speaker 9: an opposition leader's mouth and forming and behaving exactly the
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Speaker 9: same as they did with the Voice.
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Speaker 8: They do not accept reality. They treat the electorate as stupid.
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Speaker 8: They exaggerate, they have absolute meltdowns, and people are not
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Speaker 8: falling for this. People know that electricity is very expensive
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Speaker 8: because we pay for it. People know that there are
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Speaker 8: other areas in the world where electricity is cheaper, and
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Speaker 8: that is nuclear. So I think the Labor Party has totally,
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Speaker 8: absolutely misread the electorate. They did it with the Voice,
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Speaker 8: they're doing it again, and rather than engaging in constructive argument,
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Speaker 8: they're screeching like spoiled brats.
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Speaker 3: I've only got thirty seconds, but your thoughts on Matt
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Speaker 3: Keane and this new appointment. Is that going to be
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Speaker 3: a game changer.
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Speaker 8: Well, it's not going to be a game change at all.
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Speaker 8: He's been a joke for a long while, and it's
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Speaker 8: a case of birds of a feather flock together. He's
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Speaker 8: always been in the wrong party and he now is
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Speaker 8: that wonderful public face which will be forgotten years to
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Speaker 8: come because he will bring down the opposition policy and
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Speaker 8: he'll go with it. So I think it's a wonderful
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Speaker 8: point which the two and one. It will get rid
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Speaker 8: of Keen and it will get rid of mister Bowen.
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Speaker 8: So I'm surprised that he was in the Liberal parties
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Speaker 8: for that long and wasn't thrown out. And I think
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Speaker 8: the elected of Hornsby will now be finally well represented.
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Speaker 3: I primer, thank you for your time. This evening still
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Speaker 3: to come. Left is losing it and Josh Hammer on
21:39
Speaker 3: the politics behind the Julian Assance decision, welcome back. Now
21:53
Speaker 3: it's time for lefties losing it. Did you know that
21:57
Speaker 3: wanting to be fit and healthy is racist and fat
22:01
Speaker 3: phobia is just another form of white supremacy. Listen to
22:06
Speaker 3: this intersectional bologny.
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Speaker 4: Anti fatness is rooted in anti blackness and The reason
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Speaker 4: why people are pursuing thinness is because they're pursuing proximity
22:15
Speaker 4: to whiteness. The reason why people hate fat people is
22:17
Speaker 4: because people hate black people. And appearing curly or bigger
22:21
Speaker 4: is associated with blackness, especially black women, and that's why
22:25
Speaker 4: they're discriminated in the workplace, overly sexualized. And this has
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Speaker 4: gone back for centuries and centuries, all systems of oppression, capitalism, sexism, racism,
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Speaker 4: It all comes back to white supremacy, which is the
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Speaker 4: foundation of the fabric of America and rules every sector
22:40
Speaker 4: and aspect of our society.
22:42
Speaker 3: Now to a lefty dude telling us he's going to
22:45
Speaker 3: lose it if Trump wins again, listen to this rant.
22:49
Speaker 3: Sounds to me like this unhinged lefty is making threats.
22:53
Speaker 3: Is anyone of the FBI watching If.
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Speaker 10: Donald Trump wins, There're gonna be a lot of angry people.
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Speaker 10: I can't promise that there won't be some fighting, But
23:04
Speaker 10: if Donald Trump wins and starts trying to implement some
23:07
Speaker 10: of these measures to take away even more rights, you're
23:14
Speaker 10: not going to want to be around for that fight.
23:16
Speaker 10: I promise you that you're not going to want your
23:19
Speaker 10: family to be around for that fight because people will die.
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Speaker 2: People will die.
23:28
Speaker 3: Interesting time to check in with the most powerful woman
23:32
Speaker 3: in the world. Here, Kamala Harris explains presidential elections after
23:37
Speaker 3: she's asked why is the race so close?
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Speaker 2: Why is the race so close?
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Speaker 11: These races are always close. It's the election of the
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Speaker 11: president of the United States, and everyone in an election
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Speaker 11: for president United States will critically examine all the issues
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Speaker 11: and make a decision.
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Speaker 3: Profound, profound. I think I might just listen to that
24:03
Speaker 3: again because Kamala she just makes you think, doesn't she.
24:08
Speaker 3: And I'm sad to report it's happened again. Another Jerry
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Speaker 3: Seinfeld show in Australia has been disrupted by anti Israeli activists.
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Speaker 3: That's the third or fourth time in about a week,
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Speaker 3: and each time Jerry points out these lefties losing it.
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Speaker 3: They are in the wrong place. They are only annoying
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Speaker 3: people and making Jerry richer.
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Speaker 8: Who would want to do well like I am?
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Speaker 1: Look at the people here and hear me, look at
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Speaker 1: what happened to you.
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Speaker 10: Here's the other thing.
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Speaker 12: I think you need to go back and tell who's
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Speaker 12: ever running your organization.
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Speaker 3: We just gave more money to a Jew.
24:56
Speaker 10: And cannot be a good.
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Speaker 3: Plan for you, and let's enjoy this. Lefties losing a
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Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. It's two years to the day since
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Speaker 3: we were treated to this.
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Speaker 10: My sce.
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Speaker 5: My sight, my my.
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Speaker 3: Now let's bring in Josh Hammer, Senior editor at Large
25:29
Speaker 3: at Newsweek and Article three Project Senior Council. Josh, I
25:34
Speaker 3: want to speak about the border crisis and some of
25:36
Speaker 3: the horrific crimes being committed by illegal immigrants. But let's
25:41
Speaker 3: start with the news today that Wikiles founded. Julia Sange
25:44
Speaker 3: is free after agreeing to plead guilty to a single
25:49
Speaker 3: count of conspiring to obtain and disclose classified US national
25:53
Speaker 3: defense documents. What can you tell me about this steal?
25:57
Speaker 3: And White was struck.
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Speaker 5: The plead deal appears to be a very favorable one
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Speaker 5: for him. The thing to bear in minds here, Rita,
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Speaker 5: based on what I've been able to assess so far,
26:08
Speaker 5: this is a political move. I mean, this is a
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Speaker 5: presidential election year here in the United States is twenty
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Speaker 5: twenty four. And the key point is that Julia Soane
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Speaker 5: and civil liberties whistleblowers like him are very popular among younger,
26:19
Speaker 5: millennial and gen Z voters here in the United States.
26:22
Speaker 5: Who is Joe Biden losing right now when it comes
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Speaker 5: to the voter blocks, well, a lot of gen Z
26:26
Speaker 5: millennial folks are shifting away to Donald Trump. That's the
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Speaker 5: lens through which I view this. I think that it
26:31
Speaker 5: is a political stunt ultimately at the end of the day.
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Speaker 3: And I think Trump has been outspoken recently about pardoning Assange,
26:42
Speaker 3: so it could have become a real debate leading up
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Speaker 3: to the November poll.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, totally, No, Donald Trump has been very outspoken about that.
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Speaker 5: You know, Like I said, I have no particularly strong
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Speaker 5: underlying sympathy for Julina Song, but he probably has already
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Speaker 5: heat his punishment. I mean, he's essentially been in exile
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Speaker 5: there in the embassy over in the UK, you know,
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Speaker 5: for years and years now, so you know, good for
27:08
Speaker 5: this whole situation that's in the rear view mirror. This
27:10
Speaker 5: story has been dragging out for many, many years now.
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Speaker 5: But I think you're probably right, reader. Is probably Joe
27:15
Speaker 5: Biden trying not to let Donald Trump get there on
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Speaker 5: a debate stage, potentially as early as this week, this
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Speaker 5: Thursday evening here in the US, and say that he's
27:22
Speaker 5: going to party Julia Singe and then steal Joe Biden's
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Speaker 5: thunder for him.
27:28
Speaker 3: Now, the next story has the potential to upset some viewers.
27:32
Speaker 3: Prosecutors in Texas will argue the illegal migrants who stand
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Speaker 3: accused of murdering a twelve year old girl in Houston.
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Speaker 3: They say they these men lured the girl under a bridge,
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Speaker 3: tied her up, stripped her naked from the waist down,
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Speaker 3: assaulted her for two hours, then strangled her and dumped
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Speaker 3: her body in the water in evidence. If evidence is
27:56
Speaker 3: found that this girl was sexually assaulted, Josh, the accused
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Speaker 3: could face the death penalty.
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Speaker 12: Age is not the only consideration in this case, or
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Speaker 12: any case, the underlying actions of the criminals. This victim
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Speaker 12: was found you bound and without clothing from the waist
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Speaker 12: down in the water.
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Speaker 1: The DA's office says that they are waiting on results
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Speaker 1: of testing to determine if a sexual assault happened. If
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Speaker 1: they find that that happened, this case would be eligible
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Speaker 1: for the death penalty in the state of Texas.
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Speaker 2: Josh.
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Speaker 3: These men crossed illegally into the US earlier this year,
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Speaker 3: but had initially been fitted with ankle monitors, but one
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Speaker 3: of them cut it off and the other had it
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Speaker 3: removed after it was determined he had no known criminal history.
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Speaker 8: You know, Rita.
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Speaker 5: Bill Malougan is a very talented Fox News reporter who
29:00
Speaker 5: here in the US tracks the immigration issue very closely,
29:02
Speaker 5: and he had a tweet on Friday that I was
29:04
Speaker 5: studying very carefully where he said that even holding aside
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Speaker 5: illegal immigration, just holding aside and looking at I llegal immigration.
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Speaker 5: There have now been over one million migrants who have
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Speaker 5: come in through the Customs and Border Protection one mobile
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Speaker 5: app between the ports of entry of the US southern
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Speaker 5: border along with the Biden administrations very underdiscussed mass parole
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Speaker 5: program where he's basically flying in migrants from a lot
29:27
Speaker 5: of Latin American countries in the dark of the night,
29:29
Speaker 5: shipping them to the interior of the country. That's what's
29:32
Speaker 5: being done quote unquote legally. So imagine how bad the
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Speaker 5: illegal situation is. I mean, it's absolutely appalling reading this
29:40
Speaker 5: has happened in Houston, Texas. I lived in Houston, Texas.
29:43
Speaker 5: In fact, when I was clerking for a federal judge
29:45
Speaker 5: based in Texas, I actually remember reading a very dark
29:49
Speaker 5: and graphic criminal case along these lines. It was an
29:52
Speaker 5: international sex trafficking ring involving NS three team, the cartels
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Speaker 5: based there in Houston, Texas. They had underage girls as
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Speaker 5: sex slaves. Horrific stuff. Anyone who cares, ultimately, at the
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Speaker 5: end of the day, anyone who cares about human rights, justice,
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Speaker 5: all the concepts that these far left progressives claim to
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Speaker 5: care about. If you care about that, you have to
30:13
Speaker 5: support a secure border, because the United States Southern border
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Speaker 5: being the way that it is right now, is the
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Speaker 5: most inhuman, most unjust thing imaginable. And as it comes
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Speaker 5: to these illegal aliens, who obviously, by definition of being
30:25
Speaker 5: illegal aliens never ever ever should have been in the
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Speaker 5: country in the first place. They're not alone. By the way,
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Speaker 5: Lake and Riley and Georgia, we saw what happened to her.
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Speaker 5: She was murdered in New York City. You had an
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Speaker 5: illegal alien who appears to have raped a thirteen year
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Speaker 5: old girl as well. This is happening all across the country.
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Speaker 5: But when it comes to these people in Texas, I'm
30:41
Speaker 5: a barred attorney still in Texas. I live in Florida.
30:43
Speaker 5: I'm still a barre attorney in Texas. The death penalty
30:46
Speaker 5: is very much still good law in Texas. These two people,
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Speaker 5: if they are determined to be the culprits there. They
30:51
Speaker 5: should fry at least once, ideally multiple times for this.
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Speaker 3: Now you mentioned the leftist progressive and the ones on
31:01
Speaker 3: MSNBC seem to be utterly divorced from reality. I played
31:06
Speaker 3: footage yesterday of MSNBC host Simone Sanders discussing this case,
31:12
Speaker 3: but she seems to be preoccupied with the term illegal immigrants.
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Speaker 3: She thinks that's not proper. Watch this footage.
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Speaker 2: What do you tell the parents of those people, those
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Speaker 2: young girls who were killed.
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Speaker 7: This is you're preponderance of these But what is the
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Speaker 7: difference between the legal immigrant who unfortunately engages in that activity?
31:34
Speaker 2: And we don't like that.
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Speaker 5: I want to be clear, we don't do the term
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Speaker 5: illegal a document.
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Speaker 8: A document.
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Speaker 3: Josh, what can you say about that. We can't say
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Speaker 3: illegal immigrant to describe an illegal immigrant. We've got to
31:48
Speaker 3: use the word undocumented because it's more PC. I mean,
31:52
Speaker 3: talk about completely losing sight of the real issue here.
31:58
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I mean it was George or Well who
32:00
Speaker 5: famously said that he who controls the language controls the population.
32:03
Speaker 5: The left, the left has been doing a very very
32:06
Speaker 5: good job of this in recent years in the United States.
32:09
Speaker 5: In fact, they've been that they've actually been doing it
32:10
Speaker 5: for a much longer time as well. You can go
32:13
Speaker 5: back as far read as the nineteen sixties, you know,
32:15
Speaker 5: back during the John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson presidencies,
32:18
Speaker 5: when they start passing civil rights legislation, when their landmark
32:22
Speaker 5: pieces of legislation was called the Voting Rights Sacks. And
32:25
Speaker 5: there's this famous Supreme Court oral argument from twenty thirteen,
32:27
Speaker 5: or the late great conservative justice Anthony Scalia is talking
32:31
Speaker 5: to the lawyers arguing, and he goes the voting right SATs.
32:34
Speaker 5: What kind of congressman in the right name whatever vote
32:36
Speaker 5: against a bill called the Voting right sack. So the
32:38
Speaker 5: fix has kind of been when they come to naming bills,
32:41
Speaker 5: when they come to naming identity groups here. But you
32:44
Speaker 5: know this individual on MSNBC, You know how hard is
32:48
Speaker 5: it to actually use the term illegal when someone is
32:51
Speaker 5: here illegally. These are people whose first act, who's literal
32:54
Speaker 5: first act, their physical foot stepping across the Rio Grande
32:58
Speaker 5: into this country isn't act of illegality and criminality. They
33:02
Speaker 5: are illegal aliens still under US law, and the left
33:06
Speaker 5: wing media should say it what it is. They are
33:08
Speaker 5: illegal aliens, say it illegally. It's not that horidoniously.
33:14
Speaker 3: Well for the left, often saying the truth is very difficult. Indeed,
33:18
Speaker 3: that's why they would like to come up with the
33:20
Speaker 3: prettier words that hide the real issues. I want to
33:25
Speaker 3: talk to you about the ESG phenomenon. MasterCard is being
33:29
Speaker 3: pressured by SG activists to drop support for organizations such
33:34
Speaker 3: as this State Financial Officers Foundation ESG. It stands for Environmental,
33:39
Speaker 3: Social and Governance. But it seems to be Josh just
33:41
Speaker 3: a way to push the leftist agenda in the corporate
33:45
Speaker 3: world using shareholders' money. And it's not just MasterCard that's
33:50
Speaker 3: been targeted by these activists. You've got JP, Morgan, Lockeing Martin,
33:54
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of corporates. And I wonder just how
33:57
Speaker 3: influential and powerful is this ESJ philosophy in the corporate world.
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Speaker 5: So I think it reached its apex probably a year
34:08
Speaker 5: to a year and a half ago. It's actually been
34:10
Speaker 5: on the dcline, is my understanding, since then. You know,
34:13
Speaker 5: ESG RITA I think is best viewed as the financial
34:17
Speaker 5: wing of the broader DEI diversity, equity and Inclusion movement.
34:21
Speaker 5: So the DEI is kind of the social aspect. That's
34:24
Speaker 5: how you got the the woke stuff on the university campuses.
34:27
Speaker 5: ESG is basically just the investing financial elements of that.
34:31
Speaker 5: But you know it's the it's the major institutional investors
34:34
Speaker 5: like Blackrock, Vanguard, State Street. It's firms like that really
34:38
Speaker 5: who were the biggest proponents of ESG, especially Blackrock probably
34:42
Speaker 5: above all Larry Fink, the CEO of there was all
34:44
Speaker 5: in on the ESG agenda in recent years there, but
34:47
Speaker 5: they actually started pulling back on ESG. I think it
34:49
Speaker 5: was The Wall Street Journal had a long deep dive
34:51
Speaker 5: of an essay on this last year because the very
34:54
Speaker 5: simple reason readA. There's no demand for anymore. I mean,
34:56
Speaker 5: the American people and investors don't want this because reasonably speaking,
35:00
Speaker 5: when you invest riata, what do you want? You want returns,
35:04
Speaker 5: you want ROI, you want to return on A.
35:09
Speaker 3: Was there ever any real demand for it or was
35:11
Speaker 3: it just something that was pushed by the corporate activist class,
35:16
Speaker 3: because I can't imagine shareholders being preoccupied with this staff A.
35:20
Speaker 3: Shareholders want to return on their money, and this seems
35:24
Speaker 3: to be just relentless leftist activism masquerading as some sort
35:30
Speaker 3: of corporate responsibility.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, there was never a
35:35
Speaker 5: demand for this, because again, people who are living check
35:38
Speaker 5: to paycheck with a pension fund or retire infund whenever,
35:40
Speaker 5: they just want money for goodness it. They don't particularly
35:43
Speaker 5: care how it's done as long as it's legal, right.
35:46
Speaker 6: You know.
35:46
Speaker 5: This reminds me of actually the whole ESGU debate. It
35:48
Speaker 5: reminds me actually of the whole bud Light Dylan Mulvany
35:51
Speaker 5: fiasco that happened here in the US a little over
35:52
Speaker 5: a year ago, where bud Light had the the transgender influencer.
35:57
Speaker 5: I mean, was there really a demand among kind of
35:59
Speaker 5: college friend boys for drinking a beer with a transgender
36:02
Speaker 5: individual like printed on the logan?
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Speaker 2: No, of course not.
36:04
Speaker 5: I mean, this is some hair brained idea from some
36:07
Speaker 5: Ivy League MBA graduate who thought this would be a
36:09
Speaker 5: good agenda. And but White, by the way, paid the
36:12
Speaker 5: price for it. And that's what you're starting to see
36:14
Speaker 5: now when it comes to ESG, when it comes to
36:15
Speaker 5: Black Rock Vanguard, there's just no demand for it. And finally,
36:18
Speaker 5: finally they're actually just pulling these investment funds from their shelves.
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Speaker 3: Well, this is another example of that, IBM is facing
36:28
Speaker 3: a lawsuit from Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey over its
36:33
Speaker 3: diversity quotas. This is the DEI program Diversity Equity Inclusion.
36:38
Speaker 3: Bailey calls it corporate racism. He's accusing the company of
36:43
Speaker 3: violating the Missouri Human Rights Act by subjecting job applicants
36:47
Speaker 3: to unlawful racial quotas, blatantly favoring applicants of certain skin
36:53
Speaker 3: color over others, and facing employees pay an employment status
36:58
Speaker 3: on whether they partici pat in these discriminatory practices. This
37:03
Speaker 3: is a turn up for the books, and I think
37:04
Speaker 3: we're going to say more lawsuits like this because it
37:08
Speaker 3: is corporate racism. They're not even ashamed of it. They
37:14
Speaker 3: promote these programs.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they shout it from the rooftops. I mean, they
37:18
Speaker 5: are extraordinarily proud of the fact that at the corporate
37:22
Speaker 5: level they are increasingly openly and overtly discriminating against you know,
37:26
Speaker 5: white male Christians would be the absolute, you know, the
37:28
Speaker 5: highest quote unquote oppressor status, right, but you know it's
37:31
Speaker 5: also Asians, I mean Jews obviously, I mean any number
37:34
Speaker 5: of other groups as well. Here, you know, good for Missouri,
37:37
Speaker 5: this is a this is a good lawsuit when you
37:39
Speaker 5: have a democratic administration, a very activist democratic administration, life
37:43
Speaker 5: you bid administration in place. Probably the single most effective
37:47
Speaker 5: tip of the spear in terms of fighting back, especially
37:50
Speaker 5: with US Congress as divided as it is, it is
37:52
Speaker 5: going to come from the state level, and that's going
37:54
Speaker 5: to come from the various Republican attorneys general or fortunate
37:57
Speaker 5: right now where we have a number of high pro
38:00
Speaker 5: file Republican attorney's general. Ken Paxon in Texas would probably
38:03
Speaker 5: be the number one, most vocal and most active, So
38:05
Speaker 5: it's really encouraging to see others besides Ken pax and
38:08
Speaker 5: step up. Here in Florida, we have Ashley Moody who's
38:11
Speaker 5: also done a pretty good job of late pushing back
38:13
Speaker 5: on the Biden administration's Title nine transgender policy things like that.
38:17
Speaker 5: So it's really good from a perspective of wanting to
38:20
Speaker 5: stop the WOK agenda. More broadly, speaking of senior Republican
38:23
Speaker 5: attorney general step up, so good for the state of
38:25
Speaker 5: Missouri when it comes to this particular Lossit hopefully more
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Speaker 5: will follow.
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Speaker 3: Now before you go, I've got to ask you about
38:32
Speaker 3: the latest polls. Donald Trump is leading Joe Biden in
38:36
Speaker 3: all seven swing states. According to some recent polling de
38:40
Speaker 3: Spy the Democrats Law fair and political prosecutions. In twenty twenty,
38:46
Speaker 3: Biden won six of the seven swing states. And we've
38:50
Speaker 3: got the great debate happening this Friday, our time. How
38:56
Speaker 3: can Biden recover in the polls? What can the Democrats
39:01
Speaker 3: and their institutional allies do to fortify another election?
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Speaker 5: You know, it's a great question. I mean, there candidate
39:11
Speaker 5: is in very very bad shape right now, not just politically,
39:14
Speaker 5: but obviously physically and mentally as well. Nothing is going
39:16
Speaker 5: particularly well right now for the Biden Harris campaign. And
39:20
Speaker 5: it's funny because Joe Biden has essentially been locked up
39:22
Speaker 5: at Camp David, at the presidential compound in suburban Maryland
39:27
Speaker 5: for the past week while he's trying to prepare for
39:29
Speaker 5: this debate. Apparently he realized that the stakes are very high.
39:31
Speaker 5: Although I have to say that does raise the obvious
39:34
Speaker 5: question as to who is running the country when he's
39:37
Speaker 5: just holds up there at Camp Data preparing for this debate.
39:40
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, who's managing the world's largest economy.
39:43
Speaker 5: I actually have no idea, to be honest with you,
39:45
Speaker 5: but the stakes are obviously extremely high in this debate. Now,
39:49
Speaker 5: the expectations have been set so low that if Joe
39:53
Speaker 5: Biden essentially stands up there and gets at least a
39:56
Speaker 5: few coherent sentences in, and if he doesn't keel over
39:59
Speaker 5: and has to be rushed to the er before it's over,
40:02
Speaker 5: they will probably be able to chalk it up in
40:04
Speaker 5: the Democratic Party's fundraising emails as some sort of win.
40:07
Speaker 5: So lowering expectations is half the battle, but they're going
40:10
Speaker 5: to have to come up with something more than that.
40:11
Speaker 5: They're going to run very hard on the abortion issue,
40:14
Speaker 5: or they're going to try to do the whole twenty
40:15
Speaker 5: twelve playbook. They's so called Republican war on women. They're
40:18
Speaker 5: trying to gin that up. But it's not working, reader,
40:21
Speaker 5: because ultimately, at the end of the day, the voters
40:23
Speaker 5: here care about the economy, inflation, crime, and the open
40:26
Speaker 5: border issue, and those are the issues, frankly, that Joe
40:29
Speaker 5: Biden has failed epically on, and independent and swing state
40:32
Speaker 5: voters see it for what it is.
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Speaker 3: I think, Josh Hemma, thank you so much for your
40:37
Speaker 3: time this evening. Thank you still to come. A Christian
40:42
Speaker 3: academic is facing cancelation, but she is fighting back. I'll
40:48
Speaker 3: speak to her next. Welcome back. My next guest is
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Speaker 3: an academic, a law professor at the University of Adelaide.
41:04
Speaker 3: But she's also a Christian. She's pro life, she's pro
41:08
Speaker 3: free speech, and that has seen her targeted in her
41:11
Speaker 3: workplace with a multitude of complaints. As we know, with
41:15
Speaker 3: these complaints, often the process is the punishment, and activists
41:20
Speaker 3: are using the complaints processes at places like universities to
41:24
Speaker 3: intimidate those who challenge their worldview. But doctor Joanna Howe
41:29
Speaker 3: is fighting back and she joins me. Now, Joanna, you've
41:33
Speaker 3: submitted a stop bullying application to the Fair Work Commission
41:38
Speaker 3: against the University of Adelaide. Tell me why you are
41:42
Speaker 3: receiving so many complaints and have any of these complaints
41:47
Speaker 3: stood up.
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Speaker 7: Well.
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Speaker 13: First of all, Rita, thank you so much for having
41:52
Speaker 13: me on your show. And look, I started speaking out
41:55
Speaker 13: about abortion close to two years ago on social media.
41:58
Speaker 13: I've been researching it that for a couple of years.
42:01
Speaker 13: But the decision I made to speak up publicly was
42:03
Speaker 13: because South Australia, the state where I live, had legislated
42:07
Speaker 13: abortion up to birth and for any reason, and for
42:09
Speaker 13: me that was just a bridge too far, and I
42:11
Speaker 13: felt that I had to speak out about that, so
42:14
Speaker 13: I started posting daily content to Instagram, where you can
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Speaker 13: find me at doctor Joanna Howe, and through that I've
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Speaker 13: been disseminating my research.
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Speaker 3: I'm now on TikTok.
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Speaker 13: Facebook, YouTube, and it's a way of getting information out
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Speaker 13: to people and starting a conversation on the issue of abortion.
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Speaker 13: Of course, I knew that complaints from activists were going
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Speaker 13: to be part of the course because I'm challenging the
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Speaker 13: pro abortion narrative of academia, of the media, of large corporates.
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Speaker 13: You know, this is sort of a situation really of
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Speaker 13: David and Goliath, and I knew that I was taking
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Speaker 13: this on, and in fact, doctor Debbie Garrett had written
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Speaker 13: a book called alarmis Gatekeeping, which traced how anybody from
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Speaker 13: Amanda Stoker to the CEO of White Ribbon, if they're dead,
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Speaker 13: speak about abortion from a critical perspective. They had been
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Speaker 13: try They've been bullied and been harassed and significant attempt
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Speaker 13: at cancelation. So I knew there was going to be
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Speaker 13: an avalanche of complaints to my employer, but I didn't
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Speaker 13: think that that was sufficient to stop me speaking because
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Speaker 13: the issue was so important. What I didn't know is
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Speaker 13: that the university would would take all of these complaints forward,
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Speaker 13: because I guess believed in the fact that there's an
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Speaker 13: obligation on the university to protect academic freedom and that's
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Speaker 13: first and foremost, and that the idea of a university
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Speaker 13: is built on that.
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Speaker 3: So I think it has.
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Speaker 13: Taken me by surprise to you know, to be doing
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Speaker 13: this for two years and to have been the subject
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Speaker 13: of five workplace investigations. You know, nobody should have to
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Speaker 13: go through that. It has been significant. It has tested
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Speaker 13: my resolve. None of the complaints have actually been substantiated.
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Speaker 13: I have not been found guilty of any misconduct, and
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Speaker 13: to be clear, the vast majority of the complaints have
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Speaker 13: come from activists outside the university weaponizing the complaints system
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Speaker 13: against me, and to me, that's not fair, and that's
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Speaker 13: why I have taken this action in the Fair Work Commission.
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Speaker 3: I can understand it would be enormously stressful to be
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Speaker 3: under investigation constantly, one after another, even if you ultimately
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Speaker 3: are found to have done nothing wrong. But isn't the
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Speaker 3: university obliged to investigate every time a complaint is made?
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Speaker 3: Are these complaints deemed vexatious or as a university once
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Speaker 3: the process is started obliged to follow through.
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Speaker 13: The university first and foremost has an obligation to protecting
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Speaker 13: academic freedom.
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Speaker 3: The idea of a university.
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Speaker 13: Is based on the concept that even if you're a
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Speaker 13: scholar researching inn and highly controversial area, that you are
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Speaker 13: protected because this is a way of finding truth. It's
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Speaker 13: the marketplace of ideas, and scholarships shouldn't be controlled by
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Speaker 13: what the dominant ideology is at the time. And this
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Speaker 13: has been really important in human history to help us
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Speaker 13: reach the truth on really important issues of critical importance
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Speaker 13: to us as a society, as a civilization. So the
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Speaker 13: idea of a university is based on academic freedom. It's
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Speaker 13: a right that I have and all academics have in
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Speaker 13: the EBA, in our enterprise agreements, and there's actually an
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Speaker 13: obligation on the university to dismiss complaints that I made vexatiously.
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Speaker 13: And just to give you an example reader of what
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Speaker 13: I've been through. On January twenty fourth this year, I
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Speaker 13: received an email from my boss which cleared me from
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Speaker 13: the most recent investigation, which had landed in the middle
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Speaker 13: of December and had happened because a bunch of TikTok
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Speaker 13: activists had got together run a TikTok campaign on it,
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Speaker 13: complaining to the University of Adelaide. They put in my
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Speaker 13: boss's email, they put in research integrity, and so they
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Speaker 13: were just you know, riling each other up, and the
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Speaker 13: university received an avalanche of complaints and I had to
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Speaker 13: you know, receive that notification from my boss. I had
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Speaker 13: to respond to the allegations, and ultimately, on the twenty
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Speaker 13: fourth of January, I found out that I'd been cleared.
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Speaker 13: But less than two hours later, I received another email
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Speaker 13: from another department in the university telling me that a
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Speaker 13: new investigation had been opened up, this time on research miconduct,
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Speaker 13: again prompted by activists outside the universities. These are not
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Speaker 13: my students in the classroom who are complaining about my teaching.
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Speaker 13: These are not substantive critiques of my research. It's people
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Speaker 13: who want to get me sacked because they want to
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Speaker 13: shut down what I'm saying, because I'm sharing really uncomfortable
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Speaker 13: truths about where we've got to with the regulation of
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Speaker 13: abortion in Australia. You know, on social media and even
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Speaker 13: on your show, Reader, I've talked about the fact that
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Speaker 13: in Australia we have a situation that baby's born alive
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Speaker 13: after an abortion can be left to die. They don't
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Speaker 13: have a right to legal care. I've talked about the
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Speaker 13: fact that abortion is legal up to birth and for
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Speaker 13: any reason. Only thirty one percent of Australians according to
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Speaker 13: an IPSOS poll, support that up until twenty weeks. And
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Speaker 13: I think the other side wants to cancel me and
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Speaker 13: shut down my voice because they know that I'm being effective.
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Speaker 13: I'm getting my message out there.
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Speaker 2: I've reached five.
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Speaker 13: Million people in close to two years on social media,
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Speaker 13: and so they have to they have to get rid
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Speaker 13: of me because it's going to affect change.
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Speaker 3: Well, you're right, that message, the pro life message, even
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Speaker 3: if you're just arguing against late term abortion, it's not
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Speaker 3: something that gets much coverage at all. And polling fairly consistently,
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Speaker 3: particularly polling in the US, which has done far more
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Speaker 3: often than here, shows that even those who are pro
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Speaker 3: abortion pro choice in the first trimester, are against late
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Speaker 3: term abortion in the third trimester and even in the
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Speaker 3: second trimester. So this is a far more nuanced topic
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Speaker 3: for a lot of people than the media. Let on,
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Speaker 3: and you're part of that debate. Now, you are a
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Speaker 3: mother of five, you're a Rhodes scholar, you're a law professor,
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Speaker 3: you're obviously a woman of color. But none of that
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Speaker 3: seems to matter to the so called tolerant left who
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Speaker 3: tell us they value diversity. The way you've been treated
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Speaker 3: that did determined to cancel you, are they going to succeed?
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Speaker 3: Would in life be easier for you if you focused
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Speaker 3: on your lectures and left the activism to somebody else.
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Speaker 13: So I have always devoted my research to addressing vulnerability
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Speaker 13: in all its forms, and in speaking out for our
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Speaker 13: most vulnerable Australians and using my research and sharing it
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Speaker 13: on social media in the way that I've been doing.
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Speaker 13: That is something that I will not stop doing. And
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Speaker 13: you know, as a mother of five, this is personal
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Speaker 13: to me. I am not just an academic, but I'm
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Speaker 13: a mother who have children that will one day go
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Speaker 13: to university. And if you think about the abuse, harassment
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Speaker 13: and bullying that I have been through as an academic,
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Speaker 13: as a professor of law and as a Hodes scholar,
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Speaker 13: think about what this means for students in the classroom,
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Speaker 13: who have every right to demand to be subjected to
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Speaker 13: not woken doctrination from the radical left's ideology on everything
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Speaker 13: from gender to abortion. They have a right to pursue
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Speaker 13: critical thinking and the freedom to do that. So if
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Speaker 13: I'm being treated in this way, then I share about
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Speaker 13: what's going on for us students.
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Speaker 3: And you would hope at university you would be hearing
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Speaker 3: diverse viewpoints. That's not the time to be debating these
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Speaker 3: issues and just broadening your horizons. I don't know what
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Speaker 3: is a doctor, Joanna House, thank you for your time
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Speaker 3: this evening, and that's it from me. Up next is Newsnight.
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Speaker 3: I'll see you at eleven tomorrow. Good night,