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Ask Greg Cosell on Patreon: Has There Been A Change At Off-Ball Linebacker? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 2: Hey Frank, So you know what I want to ask you,
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Speaker 2: Greg about the defense and in particular the linebackers because
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Speaker 2: it looks like a transition here has taken place and
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Speaker 2: m Kobe has usurped Jahad Campbell. And my question to
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Speaker 2: you was, I mean, watching the Edge group the other day,
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Speaker 2: I know the numbers maybe reflected a different story than
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Speaker 2: what the Naked Eyes saw in terms of the pressuring.
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Speaker 2: I thought Patrick Johnson struggled mightily. And again I get it,
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Speaker 2: He's going against Andrew Thomas a majority of the time,
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Speaker 2: so I understand what he was going up against. But
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Speaker 2: how did Jahad Campbell not factor more into maybe as
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Speaker 2: an edge rusher. And I know that you don't know
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Speaker 2: that you're not in the meetings or whatnot. But from
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Speaker 2: what you've seen of him as an edge rusher, does
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Speaker 2: he give a little bit more than what we had?
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Speaker 2: Because I was shocked at in his snaps for the game.
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Speaker 3: Oh I know, is that what I saw when he
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Speaker 3: was in college? Because he hasn't really even deployed as
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Speaker 3: an edge rusher with the Eagles, and in fact, he
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Speaker 3: didn't play one snap as an age rusher in their
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Speaker 3: nickel defense. The only time he was on the edge
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Speaker 3: was in their base five to two front, so we
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Speaker 3: really haven't seen him do that. But I can tell
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Speaker 3: you when I watched him in college, I thought he
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Speaker 3: was far more explosive as an edge rusher than he
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Speaker 3: was as a stacked backer. So again, you hit it
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Speaker 3: on the head. I can't answer that question, but they
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Speaker 3: don't seem to want to put him there, and Dean clearly,
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Speaker 3: I mean it. Dean played a lot more snaps than
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Speaker 3: Campbell did last week. Gambell is down to about twenty snaps,
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Speaker 3: and I don't know if that's the way it's going
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Speaker 3: to be going forward. But you know, the only thing
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Speaker 3: I can tell you was they were really happy with
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Speaker 3: Dean last year down the stretch until he got hurt
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Speaker 3: in the playoffs. They thought he had really gotten better
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Speaker 3: and better and better and over the course of seven
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Speaker 3: eight games. The one thing that's always hard for me
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Speaker 3: to know for sure, Frank, and I'm just being honest,
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Speaker 3: is because I'm not charting every play. You know, I
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Speaker 3: can't do every player on every play. I can't do that.
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Speaker 3: And even if I could do that, I still wouldn't
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Speaker 3: know exactly how he's being coached and what he's being
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Speaker 3: asked to do in the context of every defensive call.
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Speaker 3: So it's very possible that they just believe that Dean,
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Speaker 3: in terms of executing play after play after play, is
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Speaker 3: a better stacked backer at this point in time, even
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Speaker 3: though he's not as athletic as Campbell, that he's just
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Speaker 3: a better player in terms of executing what they want executed. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: that was my questions regarding this.
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Speaker 4: You know, the Ken Batullo and Jalen hurds that were
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Speaker 4: kind of in the multi Do you see some improvement
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Speaker 4: in his decision.
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Speaker 2: Making the last few weeks when they've instituted this or
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Speaker 2: is it kind of taken away half the field to
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Speaker 2: meet your make decision or some throws?
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Speaker 5: Have you seen anything in that regard?
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Speaker 3: And you know, and just overall play selection improvement. I
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Speaker 3: thought there were a couple of players where I thought, see,
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Speaker 3: I'd love to see them do more of that. But
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Speaker 3: you know, we discussed this last night. You know, it's
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Speaker 3: very interesting how things play out, Dan, when when you're
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Speaker 3: a running football team and you run the ball really well,
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Speaker 3: everything looks really good. It just makes everything look better.
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Speaker 3: You know. They had eight runs of ten plus yards
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Speaker 3: and actually Bigsby had five of them and Barkley had
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Speaker 3: had three. But obviously the second play of the game
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Speaker 3: he ran sixty five yards for a touchdown. But they
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Speaker 3: did have one concept which I really really liked and
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Speaker 3: I'm surprised we really haven't seen more of it. It
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Speaker 3: was actually his only completion from under center in the game,
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Speaker 3: but it was It's a concept that everybody uses, and
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Speaker 3: I just thought that he hit Smith on an inbreaker
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Speaker 3: twenty six yards. It was. It started the second quarter,
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Speaker 3: It came out of twelve personnel. They actually had a
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Speaker 3: lot to in the game. Is offset week in the
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Speaker 3: fallback alignment and it was one of those quick play actions,
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Speaker 3: you know, five step drop timing in rhythm. He hit
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Speaker 3: Smith on this basically a skinny post type route. It's
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Speaker 3: something you don't see much from the Eagles, and it
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Speaker 3: was executed really, really well. I would love to see
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Speaker 3: more of that. I think you probably will, but you know,
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Speaker 3: look this game. The bottom line is this game was
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Speaker 3: very representative of exactly who they were a year ago.
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Speaker 3: The run game was the dominant force. Hurts a twenty
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Speaker 3: seven drop back when you count the plays where he
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Speaker 3: didn't throw it, but you know, obviously he had twenty
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Speaker 3: pass attempts, but twenty seven call dropbacks. This is the
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Speaker 3: way they played a year ago. He didn't throw for
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Speaker 3: two hundred yards, but he was efficient. He was highly efficient.
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Speaker 3: He never turns it over. And this is sort of
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Speaker 3: their template. This is the Eagles offensive template for that.
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Speaker 3: It was the first time this season that you saw
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Speaker 3: that template. We'll see if they can build upon it.
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Speaker 4: Are you don't today? All right?
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Speaker 3: So quick question, I see a lot of pressure this week.
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Speaker 4: Now. Is it them playing better or was it the Giants?
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Speaker 5: Just say, except for Thomas out there is just a
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Speaker 5: little mediocre.
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Speaker 3: You're talking about pass rush pressure. Yes, well there was
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Speaker 3: very There wasn't a lot of pass rush pressure within
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Speaker 3: the first two point five to three seconds. There was
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Speaker 3: a lot of pressure later in the down because Jackson
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Speaker 3: Dart is at the point in his career at this
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Speaker 3: moment where he just doesn't see things very well and
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Speaker 3: he just doesn't get rid of the football. So there
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Speaker 3: are a lot of, you know, late in the down
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Speaker 3: sacks and pressures that were really resulted from Dart. A
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Speaker 3: great expression that Ryan Juworski gave me years and years ago,
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Speaker 3: and I believe it a thousand percent when I watch
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Speaker 3: on quarterbacks is Dart is at the point in his
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Speaker 3: career right now where he sees sees everything but sees nothing,
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Speaker 3: so he doesn't really see what's going on. And you
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Speaker 3: saw a lot of those sacks come not from initial
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Speaker 3: pass rush, but from what we call secondary sacks. Those hey,
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Speaker 3: those are fine, those work too, but they aren't those
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Speaker 3: immediate pressures.
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Speaker 4: Old school coverage sacks.
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Speaker 3: They're not really coverage sacks, their quarterback sacks because he
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Speaker 3: just doesn't see it.
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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay.
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Speaker 1: All right, that was it?
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Speaker 2: Good one.
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Speaker 5: I want to do it. I want to ask you, actually,
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Speaker 5: since we're pretty much halfway through about the season now,
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Speaker 5: how would you evaluate Tylerstein in his first year as
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Speaker 5: it started with it right guard?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think he's gotten better over the last
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Speaker 3: couple of weeks. I thought through the first part of
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Speaker 3: the season he was very uneven Welton. I thought that
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Speaker 3: they were already you know, there were good snaps, but
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Speaker 3: bad snaps as well. I haven't noticed the bad snaps
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Speaker 3: as much over the last couple of weeks. I think
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Speaker 3: he's settling in and playing better. Don't forget, he was
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Speaker 3: a tackle for four years in college, so I mean
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Speaker 3: he has good feed. He's relatively athletic, you know, he's
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Speaker 3: not a big stiff guy, and I think he's settling in.
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Speaker 3: I think he's playing better now than he did earlier
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Speaker 3: in the season, and that's a real positive.
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Speaker 7: So I love run run schemes and I noticed a
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Speaker 7: lot of cool stuff. And I know you commented in
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Speaker 7: your notes and your breakdown, but could you go into
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Speaker 7: more detail. Especially, it seemed like the Eagles did a
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Speaker 7: really good job of mixing zone versus gap schemes and
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Speaker 7: kind of adding a lot of new elements. Like it's
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Speaker 7: like they executed that pinpool like the best I've seen
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Speaker 7: all year. Is there anything that you noticed on that?
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Speaker 7: And they pulled guards which was kind of cool to see. Yeah,
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Speaker 7: is there anything else? It just it looked different from
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Speaker 7: this from the last you think, you know.
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Speaker 3: Very often run schemes, Kyle, become a function of what
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Speaker 3: you think your players can execute and the opponent because
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Speaker 3: every team has all these plays in their playbook, you know,
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Speaker 3: as I said, not you know, somewhat jokingly, but not jokingly.
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Speaker 3: There's not a thousand run schemes, so every team has
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Speaker 3: all these run schemes. But really stood out to me
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Speaker 3: that looked different was the when they pulled tof Because
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Speaker 3: you know, Tat with someone who for the first couple
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Speaker 3: of games that he started, whether it was a guard
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Speaker 3: or at center, just did not look like a very
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Speaker 3: good player. And in this game he played at a
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Speaker 3: really high level and he looked very athletic, very mobile.
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Speaker 3: I thought that, you know, and they probably knew that
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Speaker 3: about him because I think by trade he was a
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Speaker 3: tackle correct Adham wasn't. It wasn't tath at, Yes he was.
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Speaker 3: He was a left tackled army.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So he's probably you know, more athletic than your
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Speaker 3: quote unquote average center, and I thought he did a
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Speaker 3: phenomenal job on those run schemes where they got him
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Speaker 3: outside and then he even had an unbelievably great block
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Speaker 3: on a Barkley screen for twelve or thirteen yards. He
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Speaker 3: just you know, so I think they took advantage of
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Speaker 3: the fact that he's athletic and could out get outside.
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Speaker 3: And the other factor too is I don't know that's
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Speaker 3: for a fact, but the reality is, when you're playing
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Speaker 3: against the defense at his dexter lawrence, you're probably not
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Speaker 3: thinking that you're going to make a ton of money
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Speaker 3: in the game by just going inside because at his
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Speaker 3: best he's a top two or three defensive tackle in
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Speaker 3: the league and he's three hundred and forty pounds, So
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Speaker 3: you know, I'm sure that that factored in as well.
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Speaker 4: So getting to sort of mid season again, what's your
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Speaker 4: evaluation of how like the KILLI Ringo played in this
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Speaker 4: last game relative to earlier in the season, Because we
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Speaker 4: didn't hear his name very much. Now that just been
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Speaker 4: because for some reason they didn't throw in his direction,
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Speaker 4: but was like his coverage actually decent.
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Speaker 3: Or I gotta tell you, Mark, that's been one of
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Speaker 3: the most amazing things to me over since he's been
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Speaker 3: a starter, that teams are not testing Kailee Ringo. You know,
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Speaker 3: I don't Hi, for one, just don't understand it. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I would go after him and make him have to play. Now,
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Speaker 3: you just played a quarterback who is really you know,
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Speaker 3: you know, people equate energy and excitement, which Dart has
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Speaker 3: with being a good player, and he's not a good
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Speaker 3: player at this moment in time, and he's not really
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Speaker 3: ready to dissect the defense. But still, I'm just blown
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Speaker 3: away by the fact that teams have not really gone
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Speaker 3: after Kailee Ringo and made him to have to play. Because,
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Speaker 3: amazingly enough, contrary to what maybe a lot of people
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Speaker 3: might believe, the Eagles have played a very high percentage
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Speaker 3: of man coverage. They've played top three percentage of Cover one,
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Speaker 3: which is man coverage with a single high safety, And
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Speaker 3: so it's not as if they're sitting back in zone
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Speaker 3: and he's not being asked to cover one all one
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Speaker 3: and it's just teams are not testing him at all,
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Speaker 3: and I'm just very surprised by that.
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Speaker 8: Hey, how's it going, Greg? Appreciate you. I haven't gotten
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Speaker 8: to listen to your tape shows yet, but I wanted
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Speaker 8: to ask about Goddard. His utilization in the red zone
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Speaker 8: has been awesome this year, and I just wondered, are
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Speaker 8: they doing things differently with him or is just Hurts
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Speaker 8: finally trusting him and throwing to him as the plays
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Speaker 8: are designed, if you can tell, I.
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Speaker 3: Think that's where I mean, say what you want. And
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Speaker 3: I know a lot of people, probably early in the
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Speaker 3: season did not like Kevin Bittuloh, but I think they've
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Speaker 3: done a really good job schematically in the red zone,
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Speaker 3: a really good job, and I think Goddard's been the
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Speaker 3: beneficiary or beneficiar of that in many ways. You've seen
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Speaker 3: a lot of I don't want to call them gimmick
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Speaker 3: plays because in the red zone you do need to
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Speaker 3: come up with some things that are just not basics,
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Speaker 3: so they're not really gimmicks. You've seen the Chiefs do
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Speaker 3: that for years. Andy Reid's always been really good at that.
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Speaker 3: I've seen other teams do things like that, so they're
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Speaker 3: not really gimmicks, but they're just plays that are sort
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Speaker 3: of not normal plays within the context of a game.
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Speaker 3: And I think, Chris, they've done a great job in
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Speaker 3: the red zone, you know, with play design, with those
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Speaker 3: kinds of plays, and it's and Goddard's just he's been
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Speaker 3: the guy and so therefore he's got a lot of touchdowns.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it was great seeing the tight window throw. I
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Speaker 8: think the first one, the slant that Goddard kind of had,
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Speaker 8: I think the.
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Speaker 3: Then they got in the red zone. Yeah, well that
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Speaker 3: was really a tight window throw. But I know the
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Speaker 3: player you're talking about, you're talking about the first touchdown.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it looked like, you know, usually hurts us and
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Speaker 8: throw over the middle with that many people in traffic,
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Speaker 8: So it was.
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Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't. It wasn't really the first got her
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Speaker 3: touchdown that came. The Giants actually played man to man there,
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Speaker 3: but Nuban was matched on Goddard. He was playing off
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Speaker 3: coverage and and Godard was the outside receiver, so it
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Speaker 3: was basically pitch and catch because Nuban was playing a
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Speaker 3: good six seven yards off, which again I don't understand
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Speaker 3: that one you're six yards from the end zone. But
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Speaker 3: you know, so be it. So that was not a
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Speaker 3: hard throw, that was not a tight window throw.
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Speaker 9: Good that question maybe you're just speaking to the first
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Speaker 9: one was about the Packers just their receiver platoon. I
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Speaker 9: don't think I've ever seen that before where they literally
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Speaker 9: have like two different guys in on two or three
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Speaker 9: different guys in on every different play. Like, I know
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Speaker 9: they have a deep core, but it seems like they
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Speaker 9: just put to them a lot. And I know a
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Speaker 9: lot of people have complained that the Packers offense should
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Speaker 9: be a little bit better than it actually is. And
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Speaker 9: do you think that might be one of the reasons
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Speaker 9: why it feels like they're like a little bit off
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Speaker 9: script sometimes as an offense.
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Speaker 3: Well, they weren't off script the other night, and yeah,
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Speaker 3: they're super decisive. Love got rid of the ball, everything
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Speaker 3: came out quick. I don't think the receivers would be
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Speaker 3: the reason that you're off script, because they practice, you know,
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Speaker 3: and you know, and normally if you're off script, it
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Speaker 3: has more to do with a quarterback than the receivers.
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Speaker 3: But that's just you know, that's how they choose to play.
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Speaker 3: I mean, look, they've drafted receivers, you know, they drafted
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Speaker 3: Golden in the first round. This year, they've drafted Dobbs
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Speaker 3: was I think a second round pick, Wix which all
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Speaker 3: the Maybia. Yeah. I mean they've just drafted a lot
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Speaker 3: of receivers and you know they're they're pretty good players.
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Speaker 3: All right, Great, this is a good one. Good thanks guys.
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Speaker 3: We'll see you tomorrow night. Thanks guys. All right, guys,
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Speaker 3: thanks so much. All right, m
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Speaker 2: Okay,