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  Speaker 1: Now from the Star Rentals Sports to us your ninety
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  Speaker 1: three point three JJRFM sports headlines.
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  Speaker 2: Headlines brought to you by Frost Brewed Corps like shoes Chill.
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  Speaker 2: Big news in the NFL as far as the Super
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  Speaker 2: Bowls concerned. Drake May did not practice today. They say
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  Speaker 2: it's an illness, though not related to the shoulder, so
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  Speaker 2: I guess that's a good thing for the New England Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: God speed, Drake. Hopefully we'll see you in about three
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  Speaker 2: weeks and you'll be back to health anyway. NFL news
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  Speaker 2: salary cap will be over three hundred million dollars expected
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  Speaker 2: for the first time in twenty twenty six. It's about
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  Speaker 2: two seventy nine two eighty this year, so it goes
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  Speaker 2: up substantially for next year. That's a good thing when
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  Speaker 2: you have guys like Ken Walker and others as free
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  Speaker 2: agents heading into the offseason if you're the Seattle Seahawks,
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  Speaker 2: So good news there, Hawks. Mike McDonald's poke just a while,
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  Speaker 2: but nothing really newsworthy out of that. And I'll be
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  Speaker 2: honest with you, Outside of a quarterback who may have
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  Speaker 2: had a shoulder issue like Drake May but now missing
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  Speaker 2: practice with an illness. We're little bit nine days away
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  Speaker 2: from the Super Bowl. You wake me up next week
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  Speaker 2: when the injury reports coming out on Wednesday and Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll be concerned about it at that point in time.
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  Speaker 3: X didn't name the Trent.
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  Speaker 2: There are captains for the Super Bowl today, Jackson Smith
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  Speaker 2: and Jigba, Devin Witherspoon, And how about Britty Russell Mann.
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  Speaker 2: Good for him, special teams extraordinary and he is the
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  Speaker 2: third captain for the super Bowl. That's that is a
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  Speaker 2: damn good story, man. That is a that's a two
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  Speaker 2: first round picks is one thing. But good for him man,
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  Speaker 2: him being the other captain all the way. We know
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  Speaker 2: the Stax would be wearing the blue jerseys. We told
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  Speaker 2: you that the other day, all white for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: Cracking winners last night at home, three straight wins to
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  Speaker 2: wrap up the home stand.
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  Speaker 3: They now hit the road.
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  Speaker 2: They're in Vegas tomorrow seven o'clock dropping the Buck six
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  Speaker 2: thirty pre game with the captain Mike Benton. After that
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  Speaker 2: Southern California with Anaheim in LA to wrap up the
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  Speaker 2: pre Olympic portion of the schedule. As it stands right now,
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  Speaker 2: Yourclkracking are in a playoff spot heading into the final
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  Speaker 2: three games before the Olympic break. Should we talk some football?
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  Speaker 2: Should we just go? I think dive into it. Danie O'Neil,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, coming up the bottom of the hour,
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  Speaker 2: Rob ranging two o'clock.
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  Speaker 3: Here he is the one and only great cost.
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  Speaker 1: It's time for Egan's weekly visit with NFL Films Greg Cosell,
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  Speaker 3: Alright, here we go.
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  Speaker 2: It is a Friday, it is what is this January thirtieth,
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  Speaker 2: and we're talking to Greg co Cell. That is a
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  Speaker 2: good thing. That means good things happened last weekend for
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  Speaker 2: our local NFL team. And then we're gonna talk to
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  Speaker 2: Greg co Cell again next week. And when we do so,
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  Speaker 2: he will be in the Bay area. Jessmin, you will
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  Speaker 2: be in the Bay Area, and my understanding is you
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  Speaker 2: will be, among all your other duties, you will be
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  Speaker 2: also keeping an eye on one great co Cell.
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  Speaker 3: Is that right?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 5: I got to show on the ropes, right, somebody has to.
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  Speaker 2: He's never been to one of those things before. The
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  Speaker 2: thing we call the Super Bowl Radio row. Greg, you've
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  Speaker 2: never been to one of the things, have you.
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  Speaker 6: Uh, this will be my first one. Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know anything about it. I don't know anything
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  Speaker 6: about it.
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  Speaker 2: You need Jessemn. Our other three shows need Jessemn. I've
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  Speaker 2: got Andrews back here, but I'll need Jessemn. You guys
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  Speaker 2: will be down there getting going, and it'll be fun
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  Speaker 2: and we're great to it's we're gonna do something different today.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna I was.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna give Greg the week off and and just says no, Greg,
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  Speaker 2: Greg can talk about the games last weekend, both the
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  Speaker 2: AC and NFC championships, and then we'll do what we
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  Speaker 2: normally do next Friday, and let's preview a Seahawks game.
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  Speaker 2: And for the third time since we've been doing this
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  Speaker 2: with Greg, we will preview a Seahawk Super Bowl game
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  Speaker 2: next week, which I can't wait to do. But but
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  Speaker 2: let's uh, we kind of were talking off the year
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  Speaker 2: before we started this, Greg, it is kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 2: It's Seattle and New England in the Super Bowl, the
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  Speaker 2: the the Seahawks with and and the and the Patriots.
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  Speaker 3: When did you think this was possible?
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  Speaker 2: I'll just ask you that you've watched film all year,
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  Speaker 2: when did you kind of get the feeling that, hey,
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  Speaker 2: these are two of the better teams and they could
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  Speaker 2: end up here.
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  Speaker 6: I think many people thought that the that the Rams
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  Speaker 6: would be a team that could be in the super
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  Speaker 6: Bowl because they have Matthew Stafford, who's in my view
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  Speaker 6: of Hall of Famer, and they've been a really good team,
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  Speaker 6: and I think there was a sense that it probably
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  Speaker 6: was not a surprise to many that the Rams are
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  Speaker 6: in the NFC Championship Game. I doubt anybody thought about
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  Speaker 6: New England. I mean, really it was Look, I really
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  Speaker 6: liked Drake May coming out of North Carolina. I thought
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  Speaker 6: that he had a really solid rookie season. I thought
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  Speaker 6: you saw a lot of good things with him. But
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  Speaker 6: I don't think you could predict that they'd be in
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  Speaker 6: the super Bowl. Obviously a new head coach as well,
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  Speaker 6: so a new coaching staff. I would doubt that. But
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  Speaker 6: if you remember, and I'm sure you do, because I
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  Speaker 6: hope you hang on every word I say, and of
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  Speaker 6: course I know you do.
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  Speaker 3: No idea.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I did tell you, you know, last summer before
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  Speaker 6: the season started, that the Seahawks would have a really
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  Speaker 6: good defense. And I really believe that, and again not
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  Speaker 6: just because of Mike McDonald, who you know, again I
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  Speaker 6: believe is a very good coach, but just the personnel
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  Speaker 6: that they had too. And I was a big fan
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  Speaker 6: when they drafted em and wary as they were. You
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  Speaker 6: could tell by their reaction when they drafted them, you know.
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  Speaker 6: So you know, I thought that that was a really
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  Speaker 6: really good pick, you know, but you never know how good.
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  Speaker 6: But I thought they'd have a really good defense. Was
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  Speaker 6: it possible to know how well Sam Donald would play. No,
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  Speaker 6: But we also talked before the season that Kobiac's offense
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  Speaker 6: fits Donald really well. We talked about this. I know
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  Speaker 6: he didn't. We talked about it numerous times. So you
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  Speaker 6: know the fact that it all came to fruition and
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  Speaker 6: worked out, and you know, me, I've been around. This
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  Speaker 6: is not my first rodeo, as you know, so it
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  Speaker 6: was I sure, Well, you're surprised to some degree because
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  Speaker 6: you know, you're not predicting the Seahawks on September first
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  Speaker 6: to be in the Super Bowl, But given the way
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  Speaker 6: it played out, I'm certainly not shocked. It's not like,
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  Speaker 6: oh my god, I never thought this was remotely possible,
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  Speaker 6: you know, given the things that I believed before the
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  Speaker 6: season started.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just you know, we we spent some time
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  Speaker 2: this week going back and listening to some of the
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  Speaker 2: things from the spring and summer, and you know, we
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  Speaker 2: had an interview with Jaren Reid that we did and
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  Speaker 2: he talked about the buy in that was done back
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  Speaker 2: in Oh I guess it was what June Jess I
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  Speaker 2: think in the Ota.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah it was, which she was there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't mandatory, and yet there was one hundred
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  Speaker 2: percent buy in from all the vets. Greg, we went
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  Speaker 2: back and revisited a conversation with with DeMarcus Lawrence about
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  Speaker 2: why coming to Seattle, and he talked about you know,
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  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald and believing in this defense and thinking they
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  Speaker 2: were better than a lot of other people thought. And
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  Speaker 2: one of the things I remember last year, and it's
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  Speaker 2: fun to now kind of revisit these things when the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks brought in Sam Darnold after letting Genae Smith go.
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  Speaker 2: That was during the period of time when we have
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  Speaker 2: Greg on every week talking about the draft and we're
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  Speaker 2: breaking draft down and I remember that week I said, great,
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  Speaker 2: we need to can we talk about Sam Donald coming
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  Speaker 2: to Seattle, he said absolutely, and.
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  Speaker 3: You liked the move.
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  Speaker 2: You were one of the guys that liked, you know,
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  Speaker 2: And there were a lot of people across the country,
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  Speaker 2: media folks, national people that they said, well, I can't
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  Speaker 2: believe Seattle's going to go get rid of Geno Smith
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  Speaker 2: and bring in Sam Donald. But you told us from
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  Speaker 2: day one, and probably part of it was the Kubiak
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  Speaker 2: thing that you liked, the move of switching in effect
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  Speaker 2: from Geno Smith to Sam Donald.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and a good part part of it was the
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  Speaker 6: Kubiak thing, because you know, Kubiak comes from the Shanahan
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  Speaker 6: School where Sam Donald was last year. He came from
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  Speaker 6: the McVeigh school, because that's what Kevin O'Connell came from.
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  Speaker 6: And also Kevin O'Connell came from the Shannahan School as well.
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  Speaker 6: So there was a lot of carryover in terms of methodology,
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  Speaker 6: conceptuality with what Sam Donald was coming to and where
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  Speaker 6: he was last year. And again people just looked at
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  Speaker 6: his last game or two, and that's the value. You
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  Speaker 6: end up watching every play. I'm not going to sit
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  Speaker 6: here and say Sam Darnold played great in the two
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  Speaker 6: games down the stretch last year. Obviously he had some
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  Speaker 6: bad snaps, but when you watch every play, he didn't
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  Speaker 6: play as poorly as people just automatically, you know, painted
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  Speaker 6: with a broad stroke brush. Oh he played terribly well,
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  Speaker 6: that's not true, you know. So when he came to
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  Speaker 6: Seattle with Kubiak, I thought, this is a scheme and
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  Speaker 6: a system because I'm a big believer in coaching, and
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  Speaker 6: I thought that this just really fit him exceptionally well.
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  Speaker 6: And they would have familiarity not only with the concepts,
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  Speaker 6: but with the methodology and how it's taught. And I
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  Speaker 6: don't think people think about that a lot. You Millen
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  Speaker 6: could address that even better than I could, because he's
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  Speaker 6: not learning a whole new thing with entirely new language
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  Speaker 6: that takes more time. You know, He's not he doesn't
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  Speaker 6: have to learn, you know, German after speaking French for
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  Speaker 6: for a year, you know, because there's there's a lot
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  Speaker 6: of familiarity and similarity with with the the the words
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  Speaker 6: and and how it's presented.
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  Speaker 2: Let me ask you a broader picture question, because that's
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  Speaker 2: a you got me thinking as you're talking about that
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  Speaker 2: a little bit the word fits or matching or just
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  Speaker 2: comfort level things like that, and you and for the
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  Speaker 2: great Coachelle joining us courtesy Seattlesider. Listen, you talk to
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  Speaker 2: coaches around the league, and you talk to ex coaches
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  Speaker 2: and players around the league. How important is it to
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  Speaker 2: find just a and you know, maybe sometimes you don't
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  Speaker 2: know if it is a match until it's on the
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  Speaker 2: field and you're going through practices. But and I'll bring
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  Speaker 2: up this, like Gino Smith had some success in Seattle,
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  Speaker 2: there's no doubt, but he didn't have any success before
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  Speaker 2: he came here. Didn't have any success last year. But
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  Speaker 2: there's other reasons for that. But let's use some other guys,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll start with like whether it be Sam Darnold.
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  Speaker 2: I think Baker Mayfield falls into this category as well. Guys,
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  Speaker 2: it went places high draft picks would have you, it
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  Speaker 2: didn't work out. Maybe it was just maturing a little
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  Speaker 2: bit and that or maybe Greg it was is what
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  Speaker 2: you just said, Sometimes a quarterback and a system and
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  Speaker 2: a quarterback and an OC just don't fit together. How
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  Speaker 2: important is fit for a quarterback in a system?
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  Speaker 6: I think it's critically important. You know, Look, we all
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  Speaker 6: went when quarterbacks win super Bowls or quarterbacks play great,
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  Speaker 6: you know, at a high level for a year after
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  Speaker 6: year after year, we automatically assume it's just because of
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  Speaker 6: the quarterback. And you know, I guess because of my background,
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  Speaker 6: fortunate background, you know, having to spend time with the
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  Speaker 6: Bill Walshs of the world and many others who really
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  Speaker 6: taught me the position. People a lot smarter than I
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  Speaker 6: am and taught me the position. I've become fascinated by
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  Speaker 6: it as you know. You know, I think that so
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  Speaker 6: much of it is coaching the way it's presented. You know,
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  Speaker 6: you talked about you know, where fit a lot comes
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  Speaker 6: into play, and I don't know if a lot of
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  Speaker 6: people think about this and comfort fit can lead to
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  Speaker 6: comfort is just the operational part of playing quarterback. And
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  Speaker 6: by that, I mean think about calling the play in
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  Speaker 6: the huddle and getting to the line of scrimmage. If
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  Speaker 6: you're not comfortable with the whole process and you get
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  Speaker 6: to the line of scrimmage and there's only six or
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  Speaker 6: seven seconds left on the play clock, that really impacts
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  Speaker 6: your ability to play the quarterback position at the necessary level.
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  Speaker 6: You know, you want to get to the line of scrimm.
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  Speaker 6: You want to feel comfortable calling the play in the huddle.
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  Speaker 6: You know, where you get to the line of scrimmage.
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  Speaker 6: You can research the defense if you're if you're a
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  Speaker 6: team that uses shifts in motions, you need time for
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  Speaker 6: all that to happen. You need to see the impact
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  Speaker 6: on the defense when you shift, when you motion. You know,
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  Speaker 6: there's all these things that go into it before the
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  Speaker 6: balls even snapped in that a lot of people probably
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  Speaker 6: don't even think about. And you know, that's where comfort
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  Speaker 6: comes into play. I mean, how many times that was
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  Speaker 6: one of the issues Caleb Williams had last year, not
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  Speaker 6: not this year with Ben Johnson, although early in the season,
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  Speaker 6: until he got more comfortable, he had it and then
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  Speaker 6: he became very comfortable and we saw what happened. But
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  Speaker 6: last year as a rookie, you know, just the operational
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  Speaker 6: part of the position was an issue for him, and
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  Speaker 6: he was getting to the line of scrimmage with five
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  Speaker 6: seconds left on the play clock, and that just changes
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  Speaker 6: everything about the way the play then happens.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up Caleb. I thought the exact
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  Speaker 2: same thing with Caleb. It's it's it's the same quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: and yes, he's in year two, but there's a comfort
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  Speaker 2: level and there's a system that is in place, and
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  Speaker 2: he was a different quarterback this year. There's absolutely no
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  Speaker 2: doubt about that, right, like none whatsoever. I think you
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  Speaker 2: can even look at tu look at Trevor Lawrence this year, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrens is great exact.
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  Speaker 6: I mean again, you know, you know me well enough
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  Speaker 6: to know I don't rip coaches. I don't. I don't
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  Speaker 6: live like that. I don't do that. I know how
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  Speaker 6: hard they work, I know how hard I work. So
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  Speaker 6: I don't. I don't ever do that. But you could
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  Speaker 6: certainly see in the second half of this season, as
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  Speaker 6: he got more and more comfortable in Liam Cohen's offense,
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  Speaker 6: that there was just, you know, a poison, a composure
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  Speaker 6: to the way he played that we we didn't always
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  Speaker 6: see previously, you know, And that's just getting really comfortable
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  Speaker 6: with a system and feeling that, hey, this system works
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  Speaker 6: for me, you know. So I think coaching is a
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  Speaker 6: really big deal. And you know, I've always felt that way.
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  Speaker 6: You know. You know a lot of people probably look
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  Speaker 6: at at Patrick Mahomes and figure out he can do anything,
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  Speaker 6: and he probably can. I'm not saying he can or can't.
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  Speaker 6: That's not my point at all, right, but I think
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  Speaker 6: that you know, there's a coaching element here. You know,
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  Speaker 6: there's an Andy Reid coaching element that comes into play here.
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  Speaker 6: You know, this goes back to the to the old
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  Speaker 6: debate you know with Bill Watson, Joe Montana. You know, well,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I mean this debate or conversation has been
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  Speaker 6: going on for years and years. Is that the coach
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  Speaker 6: is at the quarterback. What's the balance between the two.
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  Speaker 6: You know, what's the equation there? You know, is it
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  Speaker 6: sixty forty, is it seventy thirty? Is at fifty to fifty?
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  Speaker 6: You know, it becomes irrelevant what the exact you know,
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  Speaker 6: measurement is. But the fact is the coaching element is
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  Speaker 6: very important.
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  Speaker 3: I'll check with ulbrid on that, with Mike on that,
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  Speaker 3: because I think he'd agree.
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  Speaker 6: He'd be able to speak about it way better than
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  Speaker 6: I could. I mean, he's obviously way smarter than I
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  Speaker 6: am when it comes to that. But I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 6: coaching is a you know here, I'll tell you a
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  Speaker 6: very quick story about Mike Hongrian and Sterling Sharp used
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  Speaker 6: to come p NFL films every week, and I got
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  Speaker 6: to know Sterling very well. Unfortunately, I haven't talked to
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  Speaker 6: him in a couple of years. Because he hasn't been here.
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  Speaker 6: But he told me point blank, he said Brett fav
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  Speaker 6: would have been out of the league in three years
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  Speaker 6: if it wasn't for Mike Holngran. That's what Sterling Shark
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  Speaker 6: told me. Now, whether that's true or not, no one
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  Speaker 6: can answer that as a mathematical equation. But Sterling was there,
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  Speaker 6: you know, so he knows how it was coached, how
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  Speaker 6: it was taught, how you know, how Mike had to
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  Speaker 6: sort of rein in the reckless, undisciplined impulses and make
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  Speaker 6: him a you know, even though you don't want to
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  Speaker 6: take that totally away because that's part of who he is,
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  Speaker 6: just like you wouldn't want to take that totally away
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  Speaker 6: from Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes. But on a certain level,
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  Speaker 6: you still have to get them to play within a
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  Speaker 6: structured offense with a feel for how to play within structure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've been lucky enough to get to know
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  Speaker 2: Mike over the last gosh, what is it about eight
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  Speaker 2: or nine years now that he's been doing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: working with our radio station, coming on all of our shows,
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  Speaker 2: and we just I mean, we're so lucky to have
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  Speaker 2: him there. But yeah, I can see that, and Mike
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  Speaker 2: tells the stories about about that, you know, and I
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  Speaker 2: think with Mike what happened was and you talk about fit.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he had to figure out. Okay, here's Joe
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  Speaker 2: Montana one day. Oh, now I got Steve Young, you know,
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: a different skill set.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 15:20
  Speaker 6: And then and by the way, now I've got Matt Hasselbeck,
• 15:23
  Speaker 6: who no one would say had the highest level traits
• 15:27
  Speaker 6: of any quarterback that's played the game.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: And I know Matt and I love him, and you know,
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: when I see him, we talk a lot. And Matt
• 15:35
  Speaker 6: Hasselbeck was phenomenal for the Seahawks for a number of years.
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: You know, got him through a Super Bowl. Obviously he
• 15:41
  Speaker 6: didn't win that one, but I mean he was for
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: whatever the number of years, four or five, six, you know,
• 15:46
  Speaker 6: I can't remember the exact number of years. But he
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: was a really high level NFL quarterback as a lower
• 15:51
  Speaker 6: round draft choice who no one really thought had higher
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: level traits.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Fascinating conversation with Great Cosell. Yes, coaching matters. Coaching matters
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: as well in terms of we didn't get it, you know,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: some of us didn't see it.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: You did.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Again, we'll break down the game next week between Seattle,
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: New England. But let's just kind of look back a
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: little bit the AFC game effect. It's up only I'm
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: sitting here at this I'll call me Casino Hotel in
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: the beautiful hawks Peak Sports Bar. Jess was here last week.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Sixty three TVs and a couple of them are on
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: the NFL network. They're showing a replay of last week's
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: game with the Patriots and the Broncos. Greg, you know,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: I heard your narratives are funny, right, Like to hear
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: narratives all the time.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: It's like, it's.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Well that you know it was low scoring or was this?
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: It was that because of you know the weather. Well,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: I'm watching it here late in the second quarter. There's
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: no weather there yet, so at least the first half
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: there wasn't weather. What jumped out at you from that
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: game as far as New England is concerned.
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: You know, it's really funny you say that because everybody
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: always assumes that, Hey, I love the quarterback position. But
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: I think and we'll talk about this more, but it
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: leads it to what I'm going to say. This is
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: almost to me like a defensive super Bowl in some ways.
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: New England's defense jumps out to me. I think that
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: no one they're the overlook defense in the Super Bowl
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: because they don't really have big names necessarily. People might
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: know Christian Gonzalez, you know, who's a really good corner.
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: But I love what they do defensively, and whether it's
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: Mike Grabel doing that you know in the staff, it
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: doesn't matter. But they are really good. They've got a
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: lot of good players that people are not aware of.
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: I mean the de tackle position you talk about Barmore
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: and Milton Williams really really good. I mean we know
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: about Seattle with Williams and Murphy. These guys are really good.
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: Barmore and Williams, Milton Williams. They played a rookie safety,
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: Craig Woodson, along with another safety, Hawkins, who's been around
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: the league. I thought those guys played exceptionally well. They've
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: got Roberts Blaine, who is as savvy and aware and
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: smart as any linebacker in the league. Not the most
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: physically gifted, but just a really good football player. I mean,
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: this is a really good defense and they do a
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: lot of things. They stunt a lot, and they're really
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: really good at it. Defense stands out to me. They're
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: hard to play against, so you know, that's again, I
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: know they were playing against Jared's Didham. I don't think
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: a lot of people thought that would be a high
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: scoring game, no matter what the weather was. Obviously, when
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: you get into the second half, even watching the tape,
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: it's hard to see sometimes, so it's just harder to
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: see what you want to see. But just their defense
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: really stands out to me, and.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Kind was just a good defensive battle, is what it was.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Last week with those who did with Denver and New England.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: What jumped out at you from the NFC Championship game.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: We had no shortage of drama in that game out
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: here in Seattle, Greg.
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: Now, I'd say a couple of things stood out to me.
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: You know, obviously it ended up being a higher scoring game,
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: but I thought what stood out is I thought the
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: Seahawks played more snaps of man coverage in that game
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: than they normally do. And I thought to myself, of course,
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: I don't know why for sure, because I'm not Mike McDonald,
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: but I thought, maybe it's because the Rams played a
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: lot of thirteen personnel a good you know, almost fifty
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: percent of the Rams snaps. We're in thirteen personnel, so
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: maybe that was one reason. Don't know for sure. Obviously,
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: look look how many snaps they had em and Warry
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: matched on a wide receiver and he did a really
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: good job. I mean, that's his sort of secret sauce
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: that you can line him up on a wide receiver
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: and that doesn't really impact your defense. I mean, we
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: know he can be a tight end e racer, but
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: he can line up on a wide receiver and they're
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: totally comfortable with that.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: It's interesting because we've talked so much this year about
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: that Seahawk defense being you know, a a you know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: heavy nickel dime sometimes zone defense, right, So that probably
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: that surprises me when you tell me that.
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: Well, and again it could it could have been game
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: specific and opponents specific.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: You don't know.
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: We're not going to know that till the Super Bowl.
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: You know, we don't know how Mike McDonald is going
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: to you know, address playing a Patriot team. By the way,
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: that does line up in base personnel quite a bit
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: as well, and we'll talk more about that next week.
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: The other player that I think has really stood out
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: to me and gets no talk just because he's not
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: a name. I think Drake Thomas has played really well.
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: And I think Drake Thomas is a really good run defender.
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: I think I think he sees it well. I think
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: he triggers well because he's not a super big guy.
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: I think downhill in the run game. He's a good player.
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: And you know, we know Ris Jones is a really
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: good player. So you know, everybody I'm sure knows about him.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: But I think Drake Thomas once he became the starter
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: or whatever week that was, it was probably what week seven,
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: week eight, I don't remember exactly, but I think he's
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: really been a good player for this defense, and they
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: move him around. There are times they shift him and
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: he lines up on the ball to make it a
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: five man front. I mean, they do some good things
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: with him, and I think he's played well.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Some unsung heroes like with that with that team, and
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: you know, Drake Thomas certainly is one of those guys,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: a guy that was you know, undrafted after Adam nc State.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: We've had him on the show a couple of times. Greg,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: he's you know, he said, he goes. I know him small,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: like I know that's why it might you know, my
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: measurables at the camp, like, you know, whatever, we're not going.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: To be good.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he went to the combine, but
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: you know, he's not big. I stood next to the guy.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: He is very undersized as ANFL linebacker. But you know
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: what he does, he just makes place. But he just
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: absolutely makes place.
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And the other thing we spoke about during the
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: year when he started five six games in a row,
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: was how well Kyle Kanna played, you know, And I
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: always feel that when a guy steps in, you know,
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: into a defense like that, I feel like, you know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: that says a lot about coaching because and again I'm
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: not charting every place, so I can't sit here and
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: say he played as well or better. I can't do
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: that because they have a coaching staff that's doing all that.
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: And I could be speaking at a school. But the
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: point I'm making is they clearly he clearly was not
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: a liability, you know. I mean, that's the bottom line.
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: He clearly was not a liability.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Well, that goes back to our conversation Greg with talking
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: about you know, offense and the quarterbacks and coaching. Let's
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: just go back to the defense. You just talked about
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: some guys on the New England side. Mike Vrabel, good
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: defensive mind. Now we talked about Mike McDonald. Mike McDonald
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: has you know, he started last year with two linebackers
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: in Dodson Baker didn't didn't fit that, he was kind
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: of handed. They got rid of those guys. They bringing
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Oras Jones, Tyree Knight starts last season. He comes in
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: this year with Jones and Knight. Night gets hurt. Uh,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And they go to Drake Thomas, Julian Love Hurd at times,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant hurt at times, they go to Tyle Kotta.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: That that's even on the defensive side, kind of just
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: speaks to the level of coaching these guys are getting.
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And you know, look, coaching matters just as much
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: on defense as it does on offense. I mean, it's
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: not it's not just a case of let's coach the quarterbacks.
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: I mean it matters and when. And you know what
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: that also speaks to in my opinion, and again I've
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: been around enough for training camps and seeing and seeing
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: coaches coach, it means that it's presented in a clear,
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: concise way that players can understand it so that they
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: can then go out and play that they're not like
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: so when Tyle Kotta comes in and plays, he's not
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: thinking about how to play. He understands intuitively how to play,
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: you know. And and to me that that all comes
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: down to the presentation of the material. Is it presented
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: in a clear, concise way, so that players, even though
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: there's many variables, many variables, you know, they still get it,
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: you know, And and and that I think that speaks
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: to coaching.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Greg fantastic.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: This fun conversation today a little different than normal because
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: we're not actually previewing the game, which we will do
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: next week, and I believe it'll be with you at
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: radio row me back in Seattle and Jessemin kind of
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: wrangling everybody together.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: I will be a mess.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Just you for that, Greg, take care of her for me,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: will you, Greg?
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Please make sure she's okay down there.
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: I thought she was gonna take care of me.
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: Well, oh I will that day.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: It'll be mutual.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: It'll be all the way around.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Great stuff.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: My friend h safe travels to You're coming across the
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• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Pacific time zone.
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: It's gonna marry up.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I know you in time going always Mesh as far
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: as outside of the Eastern time zone, So you gotta
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: hang in there, all right.
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: You know, I'll fight through it. I'll be all right.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: I think you're gonna be fabulous.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: You'll probably even run into one two million down there
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: as well on radio roll if I'm not mistaken, you'll
• 24:11
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• 24:12
  Speaker 6: So you guys can I'm sure there.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you guys can have a conversation. We'll talk
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: to you next week. Thank you, Greg.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: All right, thanks An.
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  Speaker 3: You, Sam, You sir, are wordsmith. You are smith.
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  Speaker 8: I don't think that's true, but I appreciate the love.
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: I appreciate the love.
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: I'm not gonna lie.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: And he points out in there that Sam Darnold is
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: probably a better human being than any of us because
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: he was not gonna hammer on his haters.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Damn it, Sam, come on, come on.
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  Speaker 8: It was one of those moments where where clearly that's
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: what the question was open for. Tell us about how
• 26:07
  Speaker 8: validating this is after everything you've been through, and Sam
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: just kind of shrugged.
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: And I think what strikes me about that is that.
• 26:15
  Speaker 8: You see I do think you're seeing how he's wired
• 26:20
  Speaker 8: and the reason that he's been able to I'm going
• 26:23
  Speaker 8: to use the word persevere, though that's probably a little
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: bit overdone, is that he doesn't get so caught up
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: in all of the different storylines about him. He wasn't
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: seeing this game as a chance to rewrite his playoff
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: legacy or to answer some long standing question. He saw
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: it as an opportunity to play. And I think that's
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: probably a big reason why he's been able to persevere
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: through being deemed a bust and written off a.
• 26:53
  Speaker 9: Couple of times.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Maybe a deeper car you and I can well deeper
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: conversation about this.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I find it fascinating that you know, he is able
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: to just kind of flush that stuff and and not
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: let it bother him. You know, I was, you know,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: we're at this time of the year. You used to
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: be in the world of radio where you're doing shows
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: for people all across the country, and you know what
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: about the Seahawks, You know, much like we do sometimes
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: as hopes. We get guests from all over the place
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: and a lot of people asking about Sam Darnold. And
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I said, you know, the one thing that kind of
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: jumps out of me is, you know, the.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Word is resiliency. Like he's just very resilient Danny, Like.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: He doesn't stuff doesn't seem to bother him, throws an interception,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: has a fumble and it you know, the demeanor doesn't
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: change much, and you know he and he comes back
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: and still goes ahead and away we go. I don't know, man,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: you're probably the same as me. Like we can all
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: play that game and say, hey, what people say about
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: me online or social media or if they call in
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: or the text line four nine four to five one
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: to come a Dutch, it doesn't bother us. And you know,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I think as as we get older, you're probably the
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: same as me. Like it doesn't bother me maybe like
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: it used to. In fact, not too much at all.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: But nobody likes to have somebody talk bad about you
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: or disparage you. But he doesn't allow that to affect him.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: And if somebody does disparage her or give you a
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: hard time, there's a natural inclination, is there not, just
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: a fire back at somebody, And yet this guy doesn't
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know about you. I'm not sure if I
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: can always do that.
• 28:23
  Speaker 9: Ian.
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: I have a secondary newsletter that is entirely dedicated to
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: grudges and getting over them, just through twenty five years
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: of lived experience.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, was that WI their stepdad or whatever? I? Yeah?
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: Helps with softy some guy who.
• 28:38
  Speaker 9: Rolled a cleaning company down in Olympia that during the
• 28:42
  Speaker 9: during COVID he got me sideways.
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: I've become significantly better over the years about understanding that
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: that desire that you have to strike back when you
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: feel you've been armed.
• 28:57
  Speaker 10: Is that the guy that published my address, Danny that is, Yeah,
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: that guy can kick rocks.
• 29:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: I ended up interviewing him at one point for the forthcoming.
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: At some point I will write about that, Jess. But
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: the point of when you feel harmed, wanting to strike
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: back is extremely natural, like it is part of our
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: evolutionary psychology. It's not very productive in most cases, and
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: learning to navigate around that. It's something that I, at
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: the age of fifty one, still work on a ton
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: and I look at Sam Darnold and I do see
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: someone who has been able to There's no way it
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: doesn't hurt to be drafted number three overall to the
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: biggest media market in the country and after three years
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: they decide that you're done, they're going to trade you.
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: And one of the taglines from that is everybody's seen it.
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: That clip of him saying I think I'm seeing ghosts,
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: which became a punchline, which that's a phrase that coaches
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: use all the time. It means that you've studied so
• 30:07
  Speaker 8: much that you're seeing coverages or changes that aren't actually happening.
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: You're imagining that the defense is going to do something
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: because you've seen them do it on tape. And it
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: became this tagline that was hung on him, and instead
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: of trying to fight that, he's someone who seems to
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: have found his piece with it of like that stuff
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: doesn't matter. Jermaine Curse is very similar. Jermaine Curse is
• 30:32
  Speaker 8: someone who I admire a great deal, both as a
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: person and as a player. That dude should be one
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: of considered one of the all time great success stories
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: out of this state. Great player in high school, one
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: of the best receivers in the college's history was undrafted
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: caught one of the most unbelievable touchdowns if you go
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: back and look at that touchdown catch he had where
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: he does two three sixty spins in opposite directions to
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: break away from essentially fourtaculars.
• 31:02
  Speaker 9: And there were still.
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: People that would get furious, pissed off about, oh, he's
• 31:07
  Speaker 8: not very good, and Jermaine learned.
• 31:10
  Speaker 9: To not let it affect him.
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: Like there was his senior year, he got a message
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: from someone on the coaching staff that I would say
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: was just needlessly hostile. I'm more mad about it than
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: Germaine is. Like, I'm more mad about it on behalf
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: of Germaine than Germaine is, because He's able to flush
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: those things. And I do think that it speaks to
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: like a healthiness, Like we don't talk about that part
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: of sports. We always look at the grudge match, and
• 31:36
  Speaker 8: this is the revenge game. Some of that stuff like
• 31:39
  Speaker 8: it can help fuel performance. I do believe that Michael
• 31:42
  Speaker 8: Jordan has a whole career that is built on both
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: creating and in some cases manufacturing grudges. It also can
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: make you a miserable, miserable person to be around.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: You know what, the Germaine curses.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: That's a great one because I mean just even in
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: this singular game in the NFC Championship at twenty fourteen,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: he and ross, but a lot of it was on him,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: just awful, like just an awful, awful sixty minutes of
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: football and then lo and behold a post pattern with
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: a great over the shoulder catch with coverage and being contested,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: and you're back in the Super Bowl. I never got
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: the Jermaine curse hate. I used to enjoy giving Husky
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: fans a lot of times are three to seven guy
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: specifically a hard time, Like I don't know what you
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: guys's problem is a Jermaine curse because I'll take him on.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I'll take him on my team any day of the week, man,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: I'll take And yet Husk for whatever reason, I never
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: got that like local guy, like local high school product,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: stays home, plays for you, and yet Husky fans.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Crush that guy crushed him. Seahawk fans same thing.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, and yet it didn't affect him,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: you know, and if the only time I ever saw
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: him emotional, honestly, Danny, like really emotional. I interviewed him.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: You were probably at this game, the Carolina loss. What
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: was that twenty sixteen, twenty.
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: Seventeen, fifteen, that was fifteen, Yeah, the year the cam
• 33:13
  Speaker 8: held out.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: He came back, that's right, the lot, Yeah didn't.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: They won one game and then they lost in Carolina
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: right to end the season. And I interviewed Jermaine afterwards
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: and he was in tears. And I think part of
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: it was Danny. I think part of it was that
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: they were like kind of it was the beginning of
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: the end and he knew it. Right, It is the
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: beginning of the end, and he knew it. I think
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: we all were starting to think this is the beginning
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: of the end of what we thought was going to
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: be a lot longer run, and that was kind of it.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: But and you know it brings us to this, you know, like,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of folks and rightfully so, we're excited.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: In New England, they're excited this is the start of
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: something new. And maybe the national media, which i'll get
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: into the next staving with you, doesn't love this matchup.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: But we're all like, Okay, here we go, see Sam Donald,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: this new Mike McDonald's team. This is the start of
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: a nice run for the next few years. I'm sure
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: they're thinking the same thing with Rabel and Drake May
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: to get to this point, Danny, as we're all enjoying it.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: You've watched the journey through a few different Seahawk teams.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: How hard is it to get here?
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: Oh, it's you have to have a number of things
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: that break right for you. Home Green used to say,
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: and I think he was right. Your best players have
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: to have their best seasons that's your best players have
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: to have your best seasons, but you you have to
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: be able to weather through some unexpected turbulence. In Seattle's case,
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: I think of how differently this season felt before Rashid
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: Shaheed's punt return for a touchdown in Week sixteen against
• 34:49
  Speaker 8: the Rams, how it felt afterward. And I think that
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: when you get on a roll, you need to be
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: able to kind of have everybody believing at that point.
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: And if if that happens, you've got a shot. It's
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: incredibly hard and a lot of things have to go
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: your way, and you also have to make some of your.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Own luck too. Yeah, no, I agree with you.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: It's I mean, just getting here is such a great accomplishment,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: but you're right, everything has to go your way, right,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: and things, I mean, things break one way or the other.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden you don't have home field avantage,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: but you don't win, whatever the case might be. And
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: and here we are. Some of that comes to some
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: of the best plays of the season. We'll get to
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: that in the next segment. I love this, you did this,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I think, ask for some feedback from from readers and
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: so forth. The top was the top nine plays I.
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: Counted down ten. I went through I went through all all.
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: Nineteen box scores, the seventeen regular season games and the
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: two playoff games, and even.
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: Did some statistical machinations. But I listed the top ten.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: I didn't do. I did only one.
• 35:55
  Speaker 9: It was one play from each game.
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: There there was one exception where I lumped in to
• 35:59
  Speaker 8: get But but yeah, so I listed the top ten.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about that also with the national media saying
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: about this matchup as well.
• 36:06
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• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Casino in Hotel. I was just talking to my man Nick,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: who wuns a sportsbook here. Danny, all the money and
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: all the money out here is going on the Seahawks.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: They're up to a six point favorite here the I'll
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: call me Casino sportsbook. I don't like it. I don't
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: like it. I don't like the favorite role. Don't like
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: it at all, Danny, I'm not happy with that.
• 37:07
  Speaker 8: Everybody's gonna need to get used to it, because you're
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: gonna hear a lot for the next week about how
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: lopsided this game might be. I just I can sense
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: it here in how people across the country are talking
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: and when as soon as you start looking at New
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: England's schedule, you're just gonna have a lot of people
• 37:27
  Speaker 8: that are gonna say I think Seattle's going to blow
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: them out, which look, predictions don't tilt anything, but it
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: never feels good to be that overwhelming favorite role.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: No.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I think they opened up at three and a half
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: up here, and yeah, they're already up to six because
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: all the money's going on Seattle. You're back in New York.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I this this goes back to our conversation the previous thing.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I really care what other people think, but I do
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: find it interesting in this sense because it's not us personally.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: You see, probably like I do, a lot of the
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: hate for this matchup. Oh it's Seattle in New England,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: and it's not Tom Brady against Marshawn Lynch, it's Drake
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: May and Sam Darnold, is Mike Vrabel against Mike McDonald, etcetera.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: There's not there's the lacking of so called star power
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: in this game, which is kind of laughable because you're
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: an NFL fan. You're telling me pukin Aku is not
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: a star, Jackson Smith and Jig was not a star,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: et cetera.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Et cetera. But what do you hear in back East
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: about this matchup?
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah, there is sort of the feeling that this is
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: the first time in a while that we've had a
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: matchup that feels like it's out of the blue, that
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: nobody would have predicted this, And in some ways, I
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: think it's kind of a flashback to twenty twenty five
• 38:34
  Speaker 8: years ago, when you'd have a team like the Rams
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: that went from worst to first with the greatest show
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: on turf.
• 38:42
  Speaker 9: And that's described certainly more.
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: New England, which which is coming back from a terrible
• 38:47
  Speaker 8: season and a coaching change.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: But yeah, there.
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: Is that sense that none of the marquee quarterbacks are there,
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: and I think a lot of people are casting Drake
• 38:57
  Speaker 8: May into that role. It's very funny here because the
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: general feeling is happiness for Sam Darnold that he washed
• 39:08
  Speaker 8: the Jets stink off of himself, and there's sort of
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: the feeling of once once he got.
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: This just goes to show you how bad this situation.
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: Here is with the Jets, that they drafted in number
• 39:21
  Speaker 8: three overall and wrecked him to the plant that it
• 39:24
  Speaker 8: took him five years after he left to get back here.
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: So I'm always amused by the misery that Jets, the
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: self loathing that Jets fans feel.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: Oh, I feel personally attacked here.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: No, we're not going to say your name.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: If you want to wear that moniker as a Jets fan,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: you've got.
• 39:42
  Speaker 9: To recognize, You've got to rec It's not.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: Like I'm you're unaware. I just don't like pushing on
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: bruises all the time.
• 39:50
  Speaker 8: The wh When you look at this matchup, I think
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: it does show one of the truly great things about
• 39:57
  Speaker 8: the NFL, and one of the things that I believe
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: has made league work is that it is possible to
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: have out of the blue surprises. You don't get that
• 40:06
  Speaker 8: in the other sports to nearly the same degree, and
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: now in baseball, I mean that it is a vanishing,
• 40:12
  Speaker 8: slim window that you have. I think it's great that
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: two teams that nobody, nobody projected to be.
• 40:18
  Speaker 9: In the super Bowl at the beginning of the season
• 40:20
  Speaker 9: are there.
• 40:20
  Speaker 8: At the end and look like they could be kind
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: of the next generation of teams that are that are contending.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: At the top.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I and maybe I'm maybe I'm the guy
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: in the minority, but like I'm I'm okay with a
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl without Patrick Mahomes. To be honest with you,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. I don't I don't need that.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: I don't need I know a lot of people that
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: as we're watching games throughout the season talking NFL, I'm
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: just talking friend groups, and so I'm not even you know,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: on the radio, I think there was a massive Kansas
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: City Chief, Patrick Mahomes, the Great Steve Spagnola, et cetera burnout, right,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: just absolutely burnout.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: And like for a while, I.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Think there was Patriots and Tom Brady burnout, you know,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: and then Brady ends up going to Tampa Bay and
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: winning the damn thing. And it's you know, I don't
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: think we need to have those teams in every single year.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: And yeah, Philadelphia winning it last year with Jalen Hurts,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: which is still I don't know, weird kind of an unlikely,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: unlikely scenario based on what he did this year.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: But I don't need those guys. I don't need that.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: The NFL, I think doesn't need that star power, is
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
• 41:27
  Speaker 9: Now.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Maybe the ratings won't be what they normally are. They'll
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: be down. I can just see it. Oh, Super Bowl
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: rings are down three percent from last year, and then
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: it's still going to be the most watch show on
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: television this year by a zillion percent, right, like, so
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter.
• 41:42
  Speaker 9: No, I'm reading a book right now.
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: It's called Football by Chuck Klosterman, and he points out,
• 41:47
  Speaker 8: I think it's twenty twenty three, not last year because
• 41:51
  Speaker 8: of the election, but like ninety three of the top
• 41:54
  Speaker 8: one hundred watts program yeah in the country are NFL games.
• 41:59
  Speaker 9: And it is so wild that NFL football, everything else
• 42:03
  Speaker 9: is fractured and splintering audiences.
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: Network, TV, all cable, it's all falling apart where I
• 42:12
  Speaker 8: have falling into these little silos except for the NFL,
• 42:15
  Speaker 8: like and the NFL is like the one element of monoculture.
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: And I do like that part about the sport. I
• 42:22
  Speaker 8: like that everybody kind of cares about it, and I
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: think it's fun when you have turnover at the top
• 42:26
  Speaker 8: and you get to learn and see new teams and
• 42:30
  Speaker 8: new faces. I've also found that the Patriots are not
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: so annoying. Like I've hated the Patriots for years, and
• 42:38
  Speaker 8: I don't hate them as much now. Like I'd still
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: like to see them get stumped, but not having the
• 42:44
  Speaker 8: human hemorrhoid that is Bill Belichick.
• 42:45
  Speaker 9: On the sideline has been It's refreshing.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Vrabel's even though he's part of all those teams.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: You know, I've kind of you know, if you're sitting
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: in Tennessee, you're asking yourself, what do we do again?
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: What happened here? Why do we do this?
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a little bit different in that regard.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: You're right though, the TV stuff is funny because it
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: will be that will be, that will be a thing.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Oh you know, I can't it's down this down the
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Every non election year, probably what you just said, ninety
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: to ninety five of the top one hundred shows of
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: the year will be NFL games. I think this year
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I saw it's NFL football and then some of the
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: college games were also in that top fifteen, like the
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: ones that all the top twenty shows that weren't college
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: foot or NFL football were like like the college football
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: playoffs or what have you. I mean, it's just it's
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: football's king in this country. What was the most important
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: play Danny of the season for Seattle? We'll go through
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: all of What was the most important play?
• 43:41
  Speaker 9: I think it was Shiheat's punt return.
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 43:44
  Speaker 8: The I feel a little bit of remorse about not
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: picking Eric Stalbert's two point conversion because the two point
• 43:51
  Speaker 8: conversion was by all measurements, it was the biggest boost
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: and win probability. It's the reason they got home field.
• 43:59
  Speaker 8: But I just feel that they're not in that position.
• 44:02
  Speaker 9: Man. Everybody in Seattle prior to that punt.
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: Return felt they're gonna need a new quarterback to beat
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: the Rams, and that punt return kicked in motion the
• 44:12
  Speaker 8: biggest fourth quarter comeback we've ever seen.
• 44:14
  Speaker 9: They win in the fourth quarter.
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: So I would say that number two on my list
• 44:19
  Speaker 8: is probably the fourth downstop, the fourtuitous bust, as Sean
• 44:24
  Speaker 8: McVay phrased it.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: But those those.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: DeMarcus Lawrence talked about that yesterday he was asked about
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: it and he says, yeah, no, I dropped it a coverage.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: I knew what he was doing. Da da da, you know,
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: and all.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: That kind of because like McVeigh like it just kind
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: of a chump move, like trying to make it sound
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: like they screwed up and then they got lucky, and
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: it's like de Mark's like, no, man, I knew it
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: was doing. Like I knew what it was doing there,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Like shut up mcvaye, like you know what the thing
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: that cracked up? Nobody criticized McVeigh for not kicking a
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: field goal there. They kick a field goal, it's a
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: one point game, and the pressure on Seattle's offense quadruples,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: does it not.
• 45:00
  Speaker 10: It?
• 45:00
  Speaker 9: Certainly you could you could make the argument.
• 45:03
  Speaker 8: I think that some people have said that there were
• 45:05
  Speaker 8: models that said you should probably kick the field goal
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: there with fourth and four. Yeah, I just think it's
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: funny because he had to he had to know, had
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: to let everybody know. I didn't call the time out
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: because I had the perfect play and if they would
• 45:19
  Speaker 8: have run their defense the way they were supposed to
• 45:21
  Speaker 8: run it, I play with totally would have worked.
• 45:23
  Speaker 9: So when when Kenneth Walker.
• 45:27
  Speaker 8: When Kenneth Walker saw the middle of the line congested
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: on his touchdown run and bounced it outside, is that
• 45:34
  Speaker 8: a fortuitous bust as well?
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Yes it didn't.
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: He didn't execute the play as that was drawn up,
• 45:39
  Speaker 9: Like are we now? We're now beholden to follow.
• 45:42
  Speaker 8: This isn't technoble like you don't you don't enter your
• 45:45
  Speaker 8: defense and if you pick the right one, it destroys
• 45:47
  Speaker 8: the offense.
• 45:48
  Speaker 9: That's not how it works. Players have free will, they're
• 45:51
  Speaker 9: allowed to make plays. I loved I loved DeMarcus Swartz.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Isn't it Coverage breakdowns are all what football is? Right? Yes,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: it's a game of mistakes.
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: It was like five percent of the plays in a
• 46:05
  Speaker 8: game if you're lucky, where everybody does what they're supposed
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: to do. Yes, somebody's screwing something up all the time,
• 46:11
  Speaker 8: or playing a hunch, and in this case, the hunch
• 46:13
  Speaker 8: turned out right and it foiled.
• 46:15
  Speaker 9: His I would have gotten away with it if.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: It wasn't for your changed coverage.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: What if all twenty two players on the field at
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: one time, all twenty two did the exact right thing
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: that it was schemed up to do. What happens then
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: is it like two magnets pushing against each other? Like
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: what happens if all twenty two guys do the steps
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: the If it's a route, the amount of steps you
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: take and where your break is is precise. If all
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: twenty two guys do the exact right thing at one time,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: what happens?
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Who wins offense or defense? I need to ask Sean
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: McVay that.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I'll ask Sean that next time I talk to him,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: because I'm sure he'll have an answer for me.
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: Right, come on, he's obviously a really good coach, and
• 46:57
  Speaker 8: he's an unbelievable coach.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: He's an unbelievable coach.
• 47:00
  Speaker 9: But he might also be impressed with the smell of
• 47:03
  Speaker 9: his own farts, Like it seems like that might also
• 47:06
  Speaker 9: be happening.
• 47:07
  Speaker 8: That he's He's pretty sure he's the smartest guy in
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: the room.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Tell us about the Day Apostrophe.
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  Speaker 4: I'm doing very well, sir. How are you today?
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  Speaker 3: I'm good, good man. A lot to get to.
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  Speaker 2: We got Seahawks to talk about, Senior Bowl week to
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know where to start.
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  Speaker 2: They'll be out there next week. I'm looking forward to
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  Speaker 2: reading your article twelve Decisions that led to the Seahawks
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• 50:21
  Speaker 2: get into a little bit more of that next week,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: including how these teams are kind of constructed. I want
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: to ask you just about one guy. And he didn't
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: win the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year, but I
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: think probably just because he missed a couple of games,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: but his impact was amazing. Let's talk Nick emon Worri
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: a little bit. When did you first watch him? That
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: was it his sophomore year, junior year, when was it
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: and what jumped out at you? And what were you
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: hearing about Emon Warrior from personnel guys even before the
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: draft last year?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I saw him as a freshman, and
• 50:56
  Speaker 11: just you know, if you are standing out as a
• 50:59
  Speaker 11: freshman than in my opinion, typically that means that you
• 51:03
  Speaker 11: were surrunned by a great deal of talent. But it
• 51:05
  Speaker 11: was already evident that that this guy was was a
• 51:08
  Speaker 11: difference maker, had a had a bright NFL.
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  Speaker 4: Future ahead of him.
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  Speaker 11: Sophomore year, I really started to focus it on him
• 51:15
  Speaker 11: a lot, a lot more just because he just continued
• 51:18
  Speaker 11: to make big plays.
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  Speaker 4: You know. It was interesting because South Carolina played him
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: back so much more than Seattle does.
• 51:24
  Speaker 11: Seattle of course, uses them much closer to the lion
• 51:27
  Speaker 11: of scrimmage, almost as an extra linebacker at times, and uh,
• 51:31
  Speaker 11: you know, and and certainly as a nickel corner, and
• 51:34
  Speaker 11: we just didn't see that as South Carolina, you know,
• 51:37
  Speaker 11: And so it was it was kind of fascinating to
• 51:41
  Speaker 11: watch his evolution and what he's done here with the
• 51:45
  Speaker 11: Seahawks is remarkable. Look, I mean, I I mean, all
• 51:48
  Speaker 11: due respect to the Cleveland Browns linebacker that they'll wound
• 51:52
  Speaker 11: up winning the defensive Rookie of the Year Carshal Schwasser.
• 51:56
  Speaker 11: I mean, he he led all rookies and tackles, and
• 51:59
  Speaker 11: he had a fantastic season for a pretty darn good
• 52:02
  Speaker 11: Cleveland Brown's defense. But you know, it's still for Cleveland
• 52:05
  Speaker 11: Brown's defense that we're talking about. And Nicki min Woory was,
• 52:09
  Speaker 11: you know, arguably the most impactful defender for a team
• 52:12
  Speaker 11: that's playing for the Super Bowl. And I think that
• 52:17
  Speaker 11: this last game NFC Championship performance against the Los Angeles Rams,
• 52:21
  Speaker 11: five tackles, led the entire game with three passes broken up.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: Just basically erased the flats.
• 52:29
  Speaker 11: And that was an area that Matthew Stafford had had
• 52:32
  Speaker 11: lived on in prior games against the Seahawkers, throwing those
• 52:35
  Speaker 11: little dunk passes to the backs, to the tight ends,
• 52:38
  Speaker 11: to the receivers they're out in the flats, and just
• 52:40
  Speaker 11: kind of converting those third downs. And that's one of
• 52:43
  Speaker 11: the biggest reasons why Seattle has had so much struggle
• 52:46
  Speaker 11: with with getting sacks on Stafford is again, it was
• 52:49
  Speaker 11: so easy for him to throw quick passes effectively, and
• 52:53
  Speaker 11: Emon Wary helped shut that down. And so I just
• 52:56
  Speaker 11: think that you know, we've been fortunate, Mattie, you and
• 52:59
  Speaker 11: I and watch awful over the years and see some
• 53:03
  Speaker 11: unbelievable defensive backs. I don't know that any of them
• 53:06
  Speaker 11: have played to the level that Nickymmory has already in
• 53:10
  Speaker 11: his brief but brilliant NFL career.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Well, just because he's sort of a dB, he's sort
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: of a linebacker. He's just this incredible hybrid that Mike
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: McDonald is using.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I wanted to get some thought. I want
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: to do something a little bit different here too.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: Rob.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have you for when we when we have
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: the draft coverage every year, and here in the next
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: few weeks, we'll kind of we'll kind of pivot to that. Although,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: by the way, the Seahawks only have four draft picks
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: right now, so we'll see.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I think Rob, that you.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: And I were both under Schneider will figure something out, right,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: we'll see some more draft picks and just those four
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: that they have scheduled right now. But but I think
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: I want to when we're out the draft and we're
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: sitting out there at the vMac for three days, my
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: guy Rob rang is dialed in with the personnel guys
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: the scouts and so forth. And there will be a
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: lot of times during those draft times that I'll see
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Rob doing a little sidebar with a guy that maybe
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: I don't recognize, but he's an area of scout or
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: he's a personnel guy or something like that. Uh, you
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: know these guys, you know that room, You know Schneider
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: and his people very well.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: What is it?
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: And you've talked to other guys around the league, what
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: is it about John Nolan all those guys that that
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: is different or or is it maybe they're just maybe
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: they just get lucky every now and then. But what
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: is it that jumps out at you with that group
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: of guys, the personnel guys, the scout because it's not
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: just the amateur scouts, because we also have to look
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: at you know, Drake Thomas was a guy that was
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: on a pro roster when they picked him up after
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: the Raiders dropped him.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: So what is it about those guys that separates them
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: in your mind? Uh?
• 54:43
  Speaker 11: Honestly, well, no, I think they're all just lucky. I
• 54:47
  Speaker 11: got I gotta started asking them for uh, you know,
• 54:50
  Speaker 11: for for whatever numbers they're picking on the lottery, second
• 54:54
  Speaker 11: a Super Bowl ticket, No In all honesty, I think
• 54:57
  Speaker 11: it's the direction, the vision from the top with John Scheider,
• 55:01
  Speaker 11: and I just think that it is really remarkable when
• 55:04
  Speaker 11: you consider the fact that Sele's had some very good scouts,
• 55:08
  Speaker 11: uh you know, that have gone on to have some
• 55:11
  Speaker 11: success elsewhere.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, Scott Fitterer leaves and goes and becomes general manager.
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: Dan Morgan goes and becomes the general manager.
• 55:19
  Speaker 11: Ed Dodds is a high ranking scout with the Indianapolis Colts.
• 55:23
  Speaker 11: At this point, There's just so many guys, uh, you know,
• 55:26
  Speaker 11: that have gone on to do remarkable things elsewhere. And
• 55:30
  Speaker 11: Schneider is the you know, the one that has basically
• 55:35
  Speaker 11: been here throughout the entire time. And to me, what's
• 55:39
  Speaker 11: remarkable about it, and it is the fact that we're
• 55:41
  Speaker 11: not talking about a Sea ok squad that has gone
• 55:44
  Speaker 11: to the Super Bowl four times in the last twenty years.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: That leads all teams in the NFC.
• 55:50
  Speaker 11: It's second only to the Patriots and the Kansas City Chiefs,
• 55:53
  Speaker 11: who of course have had some you know, Canton bound
• 55:57
  Speaker 11: quarterbacks to help that. And johnsh has been a part
• 56:00
  Speaker 11: of all of that, except of course, the very first
• 56:03
  Speaker 11: Super Bowl run in terms of him being the general manager.
• 56:07
  Speaker 11: I just think that there is a commitment to certainly
• 56:10
  Speaker 11: two tough players, athletic players, but also when the X
• 56:15
  Speaker 11: are really rolling, I think that there is a commitment
• 56:17
  Speaker 11: also to just the human being.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, anybody goofball.
• 56:21
  Speaker 11: Is like me, can watch tape and can pick out
• 56:24
  Speaker 11: a player that is a really good player. He's big, fast,
• 56:28
  Speaker 11: he's strong, he's a good tackler, he's got great ball skills,
• 56:31
  Speaker 11: this or that.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: I think it's really diving into the human being. It's
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: we've talked about this before.
• 56:36
  Speaker 11: It's a very rare individual who after sign a multi
• 56:41
  Speaker 11: million dollar contract is going to work even harder to
• 56:44
  Speaker 11: justify that.
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: And I think that when the.
• 56:47
  Speaker 11: X have had their biggest hits on draft Day, and frankly,
• 56:51
  Speaker 11: some of their biggest misses have been when they've gone
• 56:53
  Speaker 11: with guys who have all of that physical talents but
• 56:56
  Speaker 11: don't necessarily have the desire. And I think that that
• 57:00
  Speaker 11: they have really honed in on the traits that make
• 57:04
  Speaker 11: these players true Seahawks. And once you kind of figure
• 57:07
  Speaker 11: out the traits that are most important to you physically
• 57:10
  Speaker 11: and the intangibles, then it almost makes some of these
• 57:14
  Speaker 11: players on tape like look like they're basically highlighted, like
• 57:17
  Speaker 11: they have a glow about them.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: That's a Seahawks.
• 57:20
  Speaker 11: And there are a number of players in this draft
• 57:22
  Speaker 11: class and clear up the Singer Bowl that basically are
• 57:25
  Speaker 11: walking around like almost glowing, that look like potential Seahawks
• 57:29
  Speaker 11: as well.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: We'll get a couple of guys in a second. Maybe
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: you don't have an answer. Maybe this didn't happen, Maybe
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: it did.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: It's all want to put you on the spot, and
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: you could say, no, nothing really happened here, but maybe
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: it did when they picked em and worry one of
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: those conversations I just mentioned with you, did anybody come
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: out to you and say, man, you can't believe we
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: got this guy? Did anybody saving.
• 57:48
  Speaker 12: With Him's actually quite the opposite. It's funny you mentioned
• 57:52
  Speaker 12: this because you know, heading the Seahawks of chorus that's
• 57:56
  Speaker 12: left in Gray's abel in the first round, you know,
• 57:58
  Speaker 12: on first thing nights and then Friday afternoon, Friday evening, uh,
• 58:04
  Speaker 12: you know, before the draft begins.
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: I was walking, uh to sit with.
• 58:08
  Speaker 11: You and do our coverage, and I saw Nolan Teasley
• 58:12
  Speaker 11: and a couple of other scouts going to these Teasley
• 58:15
  Speaker 11: of course is the assistant general manager for the Seahawks.
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: Now it's another guy.
• 58:19
  Speaker 11: Who is just kind of his way up the up
• 58:22
  Speaker 11: the rankings. I think he's going to be a future
• 58:24
  Speaker 11: NFL general manager someday, hopefully from perspective, you know, years
• 58:29
  Speaker 11: down the road, hopefully from a sea out perspective.
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: But I saw Nolan and once he saw.
• 58:35
  Speaker 11: Me, he kind of like averted his eyes and walk
• 58:37
  Speaker 11: the other way, and I thought something's up that he
• 58:40
  Speaker 11: doesn't want to talk to me. He knows I'm gonna
• 58:42
  Speaker 11: with the cat out of the bag for ninety three
• 58:44
  Speaker 11: point three kg R here, and so I I just immediately.
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: Was like, Okay, the seas are working the phones. They're
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: looking to move up. Now.
• 58:54
  Speaker 11: I wish I could tell you that I knew that
• 58:56
  Speaker 11: the selection is maybe Nicky Nanwarrid. I had a feeling
• 58:59
  Speaker 11: I knew that he would somebody that that fit in
• 59:01
  Speaker 11: very nicely with their defense, and he was among the
• 59:04
  Speaker 11: top rated players still available, uh you know, but but
• 59:09
  Speaker 11: still it was it was interesting to see that. And
• 59:13
  Speaker 11: of course when Seattle made the splash and move to
• 59:15
  Speaker 11: select him, I was kind of reaching out to guys
• 59:17
  Speaker 11: and I think they were just so.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: Giddy that they weren't willing at that point to to
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: you know, to get back to me. But you know,
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: as I often said, the proof is.
• 59:27
  Speaker 11: In the pudding, and nickiman Wari has definitely lived up
• 59:30
  Speaker 11: to all of the hype and expectation to justify Sele's
• 59:34
  Speaker 11: bold move up.
• 59:34
  Speaker 6: To get him.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm focus in on him because I just don't
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: think they're here without him, you know.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Uh, and you can you'd probably say the same thing
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: was able on other things. All right, it's Rob rang
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: joining a Senior Bowl week as well. Uh, there's what
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: is Seattle looking for? Like, what what do you think
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: is it? Is it DBS? Is it d right? What
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: is Seattle looking for this year? Do you think what
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: are their needs?
• 59:55
  Speaker 11: Well, you said it yourself, you and I mean only
• 59:57
  Speaker 11: has the four draft picks right now, and so I
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 11: think that they have to basically just try to maintain
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 11: their roster. I mean, they've been a number of very
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 11: talented UH players that are going to be entering free
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 11: agency or at least are poised to enter free agency.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 11: I thought it was interesting. John Sider, of course, talked
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 11: to the media yesterday. I believe in acknowledge that you know,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 11: re signing Charles Cross was was a big move, but
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 11: that they have some work to do, and you just
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 11: look at like the fact that especially in a secondary
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 11: I think that's going to be a position that they're
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 11: going to be focusing on in Mobile. You know, Rik
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 11: Wollen is a free agent, Josh Job is a free agent.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 11: Kobe Bryant is a free agent. Uh, you know, so
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 11: I certainly think that you know, those three starters, are
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 11: you able to retain all of them?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: I think of the of the that.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 11: Trio, Ric Walla is likely to get awful lot of
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 11: interest on the free agent market.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 10: Uh.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 11: The Seahawks fans might pass scoff with that idea, but
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 11: the traits speak for themselves, and so somebody's gonna be
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 11: willing to throw some some real money at him. So
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 11: I think the Seattle is likely to be considering using
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 11: one of their their relatively early draft picks on a quarterback.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 11: I think that's one of the relative strengths of this
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 11: year's draft class. Kenneth Walker, the third, of course, is
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 11: a free agent. They have injured his zach Sharbon and
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 11: his United States before. Maybe that forces.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: Seattle to to pony up to.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 11: Bring Kenneth Walker in the third back or maybe they
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 11: look at this draft class. You know, running back is
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 11: a position as relatively easy to uh to to find
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 11: a good player in the draft, and this is a
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 11: running back class that isn't elite, but it's not as
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 11: bad as what some have.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: Painted it as. And then of course just a all
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: along the.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 11: Defensive line edge brusher boy mate is a free agent
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 11: as well. Uh you know, he hasn't had a statistical
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 11: success with the Seax this season, that maybe was expected,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 11: but at the same time, I think that he is
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 11: a significant part of Seattle's success and I do think
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 11: that if he were to lead free agency, be a
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 11: free agency that then it's going to be wanting to
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 11: invest a relatively early pick.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: On on just addressing that need. And then the defensive line.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 11: I mean, look, Bio Murphy the second is a young
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 11: superstar and key weren't there being, of course young, but
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 11: when you got guys like Jared Reid and Leonard Williams,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 11: DeMarcus Lawrence all on the quote unquote wrong side of
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 11: thirty from a football perspective, then I think that the
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 11: Seals should.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: Definitely be focusing on that position as well.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 11: What I don't think as I don't think that's going
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 11: to be focusing nearly as much attention on the offensive
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 11: line or as wide receiver as the way some might expect,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 11: just because the fact that they do have some young
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 11: talent there. They've made investments, especially on the offensive line
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 11: a year ago. So I you know, say what you
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 11: will about the right guarden Anthony Bradford, I think that
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 11: he or somebody else currently on the rosters most likely
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 11: to be the starter a year from now.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: As well.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: We'll get more into next week's matchup. Well, I want
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: to really kind of go through and get into the
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  Speaker 2: and some of the guys we're gonna be watching, some
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  Speaker 2: next Friday, Rob as we get ready for Super Bowl sixty,
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  Speaker 2: super Bowl six zero. God, that's crazy to think we'll
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  Speaker 2: do that next week. In the meantime, I have great
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  Speaker 2: you're posting some stuff up on Tuesday at foxsports dot com.
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  Speaker 3: Is that right?
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  Speaker 4: I did? Yep.
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  Speaker 11: So the most recent article up there is just basically
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  Speaker 11: just the tears of quarterbacks and the way I view
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  Speaker 11: them as likely to come off the board and then
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  Speaker 11: of course they'll they'll be a that breakdown of the
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  Speaker 11: twelve moves that the Seahawks made that basically have put
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  Speaker 11: them in position to go back to that Super Bowl
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  Speaker 11: samping with league with Patriots twelve way twelve moves that
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  Speaker 11: that Elliott Wolf, of course, the former babysitter or Josh Schider,
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  Speaker 11: was the babysitter for a general manager the Patriots.
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  Speaker 4: Elliott Well the twelve moons.
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  Speaker 11: That he and the Patriots have made to get to
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  Speaker 11: their twelve Super Bowl or franchise history.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome stuff, buddy, great stuff. We'll talk to you next week.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Check in next week, buddy.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks looking forward to us always.
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  Speaker 2: That is Rob running back to by Ferrelli's Pizza Freliespizza
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  Speaker 2: little breaking news just popped up here moments ago. Courtesy
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  Speaker 2: of Seth Wickersham and Brady Henderson, our buddy, Brady of
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  Speaker 2: ESPN ESPN dot Com.
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  Speaker 3: I'll just read this to you guys right off the
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  Speaker 2: This is straight from the ESPN article by Seth and
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: by Brady, The cle Seahawks will be up for sale
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  Speaker 2: after Super Bowl sixty. League and ownership sources familiar with
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: the arrangement tell ESPN. Ending years of questions about when
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: the team would seek new ownership following the twenty eighteen
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  Speaker 2: death of former owner Paul G. Allen, sale discussions have
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  Speaker 2: taken place at ownership in league levels at least the
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  Speaker 2: past week, the sources said. Of course, basically, Jody Allen
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  Speaker 2: has controlled the teams as the executor of the trust
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  Speaker 2: since Paul Allen's death in twenty eighteen. The directive, though
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: from her late brother, was to eventually sell both and
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  Speaker 2: donate the proceeds to charity. So there you go, a
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  Speaker 2: spokesman for the NFL, A spokesman for the Seahawks all
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  Speaker 2: declined comment at this time. There was a date after
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  Speaker 2: his death that there would have been a ten percent
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  Speaker 2: triggering of a ten percent of the proceeds going to
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: the State of Washington that now has passed to the
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: State of Washington. Will not get that ten percent along
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: the way. Instead, it'll go to I guess the charities
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  Speaker 2: that they want along the way. Remember the Paul Allen
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  Speaker 2: about the team from Ken Bearing back in nineteen ninety six.
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  Speaker 2: Basically say football in Seattle, and they got bloom and
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  Speaker 2: field built. And right now they're saying that the Seahawks
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  Speaker 2: are they're thick, and the Seahawks are valued round six
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  Speaker 2: to seven million dollars.
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  Speaker 5: Excuse me what? Yeah, I think you said the wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Billion billion dollars, six to seven billion dollars. But this
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  Speaker 2: sale could coming off a Super Bowl appearance, maybe even
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: a Super Bowl win, could be something that ends up
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: being higher than that. We see did the most recent
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: NFL team, Washington Commanders, purchased in twenty twenty three for
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: six point five billion. Lakers sold a majority stake in
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: their team in the NBA for ten billion last June.
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  Speaker 2: So this could set a record for sports franchise in
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: terms of the money when they are sold. Interesting, I
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: it was going to happen. It was inevitable, sell high, right,
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  Speaker 2: if you're gonna sell it, sell high.
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  Speaker 5: Were it using the b after illions? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So they're gonna it.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds like they're gonna interesting too, because we had planned
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  Speaker 2: and we're still gonna do it.
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  Speaker 3: We had planned.
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  Speaker 2: Next segment, I'm playing a little bit of sound from
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  Speaker 2: about this on the other side. But again, according to
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  Speaker 2: this is from Brady Henderson and Seth Wickersham from ESPN
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  Speaker 2: that the Seahawks will go up for sale after the
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  Speaker 2: Super Bowl. They will go up for sale after the
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  Speaker 2: Super Bowl, and when they do, that will seemingly end
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  Speaker 2: the ownership I guess more like the controlling interest of
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  Speaker 2: the team by Paul Allen's sister Joe, who has overseen
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  Speaker 2: things since Paul Allen's death in twenty eighteen. Interesting timing
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  Speaker 2: because earlier today, Mike McDonald during his news conference on Friday,
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  Speaker 2: was asked about Jody Allen. And as we were listening
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  Speaker 2: to it, I told Jess pull that sound. That's an
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  Speaker 2: interesting stuff we can talk about now. It's even more
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  Speaker 2: relevant than it was a couple hours ago.
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  Speaker 3: Take a Listen said, I had to work with Jody Allen.
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  Speaker 4: Day to day and how does she lead?
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  Speaker 14: Well, I forgot the last time I talked about it,
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  Speaker 14: but it was recently.
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  Speaker 6: It was in last week.
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  Speaker 14: But the thing that sticks out of me to me
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  Speaker 14: about Jody was her enthusiasm about where she wanted our
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  Speaker 14: team to be, in our franchise, to be as a
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  Speaker 14: vision you know, of the Seattle Seahawks, you know, And
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  Speaker 14: that was during our interview process. And honestly that that's
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  Speaker 14: really where it was like, Okay, this is this is
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  Speaker 14: something I feel really strongly about that I think that
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  Speaker 14: I could help, you know, help create that. And so
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  Speaker 14: everything I think has been through that lens. And it's
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  Speaker 14: very clear of what type of team she wants and uh,
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  Speaker 14: and she's been incredibly supportive. You know, we haven't hit
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  Speaker 14: the mark all the time, and so when she gives feedback,
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  Speaker 14: it's it's very simple. It's and it's through like a
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  Speaker 14: great lens that normally that like maybe if I'm in
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  Speaker 14: the kind of the fog, you don't see it. And
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  Speaker 14: and she's been awesome. She's been awesome. You know, we
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  Speaker 14: meet weekly, and ah, she's been great.
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  Speaker 6: She's been great. She asked great questions.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, that's kind of that's kind of what I'm getting
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  Speaker 14: at is like i'd say, like a piercing question. You know,
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  Speaker 14: it gets it gets right to the point and and uh,
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  Speaker 14: and it's helpful, you know when you look at it
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  Speaker 14: through that lens of hey, you know that we're kind
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  Speaker 14: of we're going in the same direction here. It really
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  Speaker 14: help It's been really great.
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  Speaker 3: It's on Zoom right after the game.
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  Speaker 14: It's a day after the game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I've talked to this on the year before.
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  Speaker 2: My understanding is over the years when when Paul passed
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  Speaker 2: away in eighteen uh and just talk to people inside
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  Speaker 2: the organization, there's Jody Allen has had This is not
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  Speaker 2: new by the way, with Mike McDonald's the same way
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  Speaker 2: with Pete uh and.
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  Speaker 3: John before that.
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  Speaker 2: Jody Allen's very involved and you know Mike's homer has
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  Speaker 2: talked about Paul Allen's involvement in the past two you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're not owners in our front and center in terms
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  Speaker 2: of in front of a camera, microphone, doing interviews, doing
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  Speaker 2: a lot of media. In fact, to the contrary, they
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  Speaker 2: do basically you know, Paul obviously no longer with us,
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  Speaker 2: but even beforehand did basically nothing. Jody does literally not
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  Speaker 2: much at all, if anything, They're just not that's just
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  Speaker 2: not how they operate.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, there's that.
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  Speaker 2: But then I think because of that, there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: there's always been a perception that maybe there's not enough
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  Speaker 2: hands on and there's not enough going on, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like is Jody you know, does does she even care?
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  Speaker 3: And all these things.
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  Speaker 2: I know that the perception of her and the ownership
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: of the Blazers in Portland is different than up here.
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  Speaker 2: You know, part of it is a team down there
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  Speaker 2: struggled to struggle for a while. They've had coaching issues. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: the Chauncey Billups thing was just an absolute disaster for
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  Speaker 2: them and his situation. But you know, she's a football fan,
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  Speaker 2: and I was told that. I've always been told that
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  Speaker 2: Jody Allen is a massive Seahawks fan.
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  Speaker 3: That's what she is.
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  Speaker 2: And then she happens to control the interest of the
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  Speaker 2: team right now as a massive football fan. So that's
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  Speaker 2: her passion. Basketball is not. It's interesting because it was
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: the opposite with Paul. Paul was a huge basketball guy.
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  Speaker 2: He would and I'll never forget this, when I was
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  Speaker 2: working in Portland and covering the Blazers and we would
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  Speaker 2: go to the pre draft workouts and they'd bring guys
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  Speaker 2: in town before the NBA draft. Paul would be there
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  Speaker 2: in the gym into Walleton at the practice facility watching
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: guys work out, college players or even been time they
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: could draft high school kids watching those guys work out,
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  Speaker 2: and kind of fancied himself a little bit in a
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  Speaker 2: sense of a scout and a personnel guy with basketball football.
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  Speaker 2: Michael tell you home that wasn't what he did. He
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  Speaker 2: wanted to know what was going on. He was very
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  Speaker 2: much in charge, but you know, he can let the
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  Speaker 2: football people do things. He just that wasn't what he
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  Speaker 2: kind of considered his expertise. Jody's the opposite. Basketball, not
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  Speaker 2: something that she's overly interested in. And you know, again,
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  Speaker 2: I can understand the frustration with the Blazers and their
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  Speaker 2: fans down there. They're trying to sell it to Tom Condon,
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  Speaker 2: who owns the Carolina Hurricanes, which is a whole different deal,
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  Speaker 2: interesting owner in a lot of ways for them.
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  Speaker 3: If that goes.
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  Speaker 2: Through, who knows how this will turn out, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of money's gonna change hands. I I'm kind of a
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  Speaker 2: I'm maybe Jess, I'm just old.
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  Speaker 5: Well not maybe I'm olded.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that, but I don't like change. This was inevitable.
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  Speaker 2: It's in the will, it's in the trust. It had
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  Speaker 2: to happen.
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  Speaker 3: I get it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really love change because this thing works. And
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: if let's just use Jody in the term of owner
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  Speaker 2: for a minute, because effectively that she's been the acting
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  Speaker 2: owner since Paul died. They've gone through a lot of stuff,
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  Speaker 2: but she ultimately has had to be the one that
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: makes the decisions. Do we get rid of Pete Carroll,
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  Speaker 2: What do we do with Russell Wilson, What do we
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  Speaker 2: do with Geno Smith? And you know, do we hire
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  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald? Do I put John Schneider one hundred percent
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  Speaker 2: in charge of this team and let him hire a coach?
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  Speaker 2: Those are all tough decisions, and you know what, they've
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  Speaker 2: all worked out really well.
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  Speaker 3: Like they've all worked out really really well.
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  Speaker 2: So if you look back and say, what, you know,
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  Speaker 2: whatever happens next Sunday in the Super Bowl, whatever happens
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  Speaker 2: in that game, at the end of the day, you'll say,
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  Speaker 2: what was Again, we'll just use the term owner for
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  Speaker 2: a second, what was Jody Allen's ownership? What's the legacy? Well,
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  Speaker 2: I just went through it. I mean, they were really
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  Speaker 2: good and they made a lot of really tough but
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  Speaker 2: as it turns out in hindsight, good in the right
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  Speaker 2: decisions along the way. And so I like, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I like the status quo, knowing it wasn't gonna be
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: status quo forever. Chuck Arnold, I think is an amazing
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: team president. On the business side, I think Chuck does
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: a terrific job and I think on the football side,
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  Speaker 2: John Schneider's resume is second to none, so hopefully no changes.
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  Speaker 2: But there you go. That's what's going on down there.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get some.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see.
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  Speaker 2: Would you rather have a Jerry Jones or a Hazzlin
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  Speaker 2: type owner? Hawks are lucky to not have a micromanager
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  Speaker 2: who gives.
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  Speaker 3: A blank about the Blazers?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would agree that.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you know.
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  Speaker 2: The micromanager is one thing, but I think, as you
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: just heard that sound bite from Mike McDonald, there's she's involved,
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  Speaker 2: but there's no mic Jerry Jones.
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  Speaker 3: The issues of his ownership run.
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  Speaker 2: Deep because oh and part of it is he's the GM.
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  Speaker 5: Well that's the thing is he wants to say in everything.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, and I think there's some humility that goes into
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 10: when people are willing to give way, when they're willing
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  Speaker 10: to hire people and let them do their jobs.
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  Speaker 2: Two six be ashamed to lose it to a bad owner.
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  Speaker 2: Can you explain why they have to sell it? Was
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  Speaker 2: in his trust as well when he died, that within
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: a certain period of time they had put the team
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  Speaker 2: up for sale and sell it and then the money
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: gets donated to charity. That's the easiest and most simplistic
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  Speaker 2: way to explain it. Somebody that two six says, can
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  Speaker 2: Jody buy it?
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  Speaker 5: I that's a really good question.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, I would assume she could if she has the finances.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what her net worth is, and even
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: if I google it, I don't know if that's accurate.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know. I don't know if she could
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  Speaker 3: buy it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess my head didn't even go there, right.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if she has.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, looking forward to Bezos putting up
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: the Paul Allen statute at Luhman says the two oh six,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: another two o six, Bezos finally going to get his team.
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  Speaker 2: Remember he was in the running for the Washington commanders.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't he move to Florida?
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  Speaker 5: Not that that matters, kind of live everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: I don't, but I don't think he's here anymore. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how invested he is in this area. And
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: I don't even know how invested he would be in
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: wanting to get an NFL team.
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  Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't either.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see what else we got. No, no, no, I
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  Speaker 3: don't see it happening.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: Was there any verbiage in the Paul alland Re question
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: the team must remain in Seattle asking for PTSD Seattle fans,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: I don't think you have to.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: Worry about the team moving. I know they've got a
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: lease with the lumenfield and all that.
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  Speaker 10: It's especially the recent I'm sorry, the last twenty five
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 10: years for Super Bowl appearances.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I understand people's I under the PTSD for I understand.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: I get that because I can tell you this, pre
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: two thousand and six, before the sale of the song,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: I never ever, ever could have fathomed that the Seattle
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: Seahawks have moved or sorry sales super songs could move,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: and we'll behold, they did. I think the biggest difference,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: obviously is you have a stadium, key arena. If you
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: just have to understand how bad ky arena is. I
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: mean just it was just everything about it was done poorly.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: It was constructed in ninety five, right.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: Well sort of it was.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: I mean the coliseum was constructed in sixty two for
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: the World's Fair and then that lasted until ninety four
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: ninety five when they.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: Renovated it, and they just the way the renovation was,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: it was just done cheap.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: It was band Aid's situation.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: It was just as cheap as did you ever go
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: in that building? Were you here where that building was? Yeah?
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: I was, I was.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 10: I used to go to Seattle you games there, actually, yes,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 10: when I first moved to town.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: Just think about like how narrow the concourses were. Yeah,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: it's just a bad It was just everything about it
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: was just done on it. It was just done on
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: the cheap. I mean, Lumit Fields getting a bunch of upgrades.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: I think it's twenty million dollars in upgrades courtesy of
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: the World Cup in FIFA.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that is kind of nice to let other people
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 10: pay that bills.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, Lumen is not the taj Mahal of NFL
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: stadiums by any means. It's but it's yeah, it's fine.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: It's absolutely fine. It's not like it's not like Karina
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: bad So. In fact, it's the character of Lumen. How
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: it's set up, how loud it is, sweets all the amenities.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: It's fine, more than fine. You worry about your team
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: movement if you really truly don't have a building situation
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: that they don't, you know, as as we found that out.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: But I get I get the listen, I get the
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: trepidation on for Seahawk fans.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 10: I do too, But like, look at this as such
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 10: a positive as we watch them go to the super Bowl,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 10: right like they're not moving this team.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Keisa, sorry for being parmalily, but owner changes make
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: me a little more nervous percent chance they move.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: I know that's a lot of people are saying that.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know, Guys, I wish I knew. I don't know.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: I don't think that they can move it. I don't think.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Moving a team in a sport takes
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: literally an act of God. Like you've got to have
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: everything go wrong in the in the one market, and
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: then you have to have everything go right in another market,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: and then you have to have league approval and all
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: those things. I just don't We've been down this road before.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: The lowest of low in terms of where this team was.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: They moved for a couple of days they came back,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: and this team is far from where it was under
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: the Ken Barring airas.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: So but I get it. I absolutely get it. People
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: talking about Steve Balmer, Uh yeah, bomberuld be great owner.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: I think that seems like he already one.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: Though, Well, you can own an NBA and NFL or
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: the NBA and NFL team.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 8: Oh right, yeah, because Kronky owns the Rams and the.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think in my head he had a portion
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 10: of one, but I think you're correct that he doesn't
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 10: have any.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: He might.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, guys have portions of teams and they sell them.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: I mean David Bonderman a portion.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: Of the Celtics, right right, right, yeah, So I mean.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: All right, Uh, since he wants to come in and
• 1:22:19
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  Speaker 2: where one of those teams has a for sale sign?
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  Speaker 15: That's right, that's right. Yes, maybe Bob Kraft buys the Seahawks.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: Is it for sale by owner? Are they using uh
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: An agency?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's my friend Tamer Lamore of a bk T Northwest.
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  Speaker 3: I heard it was my guy Jim Elliot and two ms.
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  Speaker 15: You know what, maybe it's just such a big, gigantic
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 15: thing that we need multiple real estate agencies.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: Come well, it would be only a seven billion dollar transaction.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, what would be.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 7: The how much of the Cowboys worth? By the way,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 7: what are they worth?
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they're worth. I know that the
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: Lakers sold for ten billion, that's the highest ever. The
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: Commanders sold last year for six billion.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 15: Dallas Cowboys as of twenty twenty five, according to Forbes,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 15: thirteen billion dollars bill Yeah, so would fall short of
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 15: that but look, man, I mean it's not a nothing
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 15: burger at all. I mean, it's a big deal, and
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 15: we're talking to the well we're talking. I mean, first
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 15: of all, we're talking in the sports pit about this,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 15: about why this came out.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 7: Now, I don't know if the Hawks wanted this out
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 7: or not.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 15: You know, this may have been a wicker sham Brady
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 15: Henderson special.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 7: For all we know.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 15: They just dug this up and they threw it out there.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 15: So who knows if they wanted this out? Number two,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 15: I do wonder if there's already a buyer lined up
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 15: when it gets to this point where the word leaks
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 15: about the team now officially being for sale, which we've
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 15: all known for years that was going to happen, right,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 15: I mean, Paul Allen passed away, what is it eight
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 15: years ago now? He and I think eight years ago,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 15: and we knew from a start that his final wishes
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 15: were to sell this thing and donate all the money
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 15: to charity. So I don't know how long Jody was
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 15: able to hang on for. Maybe she had another four
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 15: or five more years. I got no idea on all that.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 15: And then the you know, you know, the lease on
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 15: the stadium, right, like all this is about leases, stadium leases,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 15: things like that.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 7: So, I I mean, do you know how long the
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 7: lease is? Illumine?
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 15: I've heard twenty thirty one, other people have said twenty
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 15: twenty eight.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 7: I don't know for sure.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 15: I know John Canzano, who ian I'm telling you, you
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 15: know as well as I knows twenty forty eight.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: That's according to the AI world.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 15: Yeah, right, Yeah, Well John Canzano knows the Allen family
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 15: as well as anybody with what they've done in Portland,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 15: what they've done up here in Seattle. So John's going
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 15: to join us at three oh five in about fifteen
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 15: minutes from now and talk about it. But you know,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 15: I mean, look, I just guess the question is, you
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 15: know how much angst should Seahawks fans have over this?
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 15: I mean we're all a little scarred little PTSD over
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 15: what happened with the Sonics. Obviously we've seen NFL franchises move.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 15: Am I overly concerned about the Seahawks moving one day?
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 7: Of course?
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: Not?
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 7: No, I'm not at all.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 15: Am I concerned about them having the same success were
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 15: the new owner?
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 15: Absolutely, I mean there's been an Allen at the helmet
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 15: this thing for almost thirty years.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 7: Well, and they've done well, well, incredibly.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 15: Well, very I mean, Ian, look at between seventy six
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 15: and ninety seven, they went to the playoffs four times.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 15: Since ninety seven, they've been there seventeen times, and they've
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 15: been to the super Bowl four times, and they've won
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 15: a championship. I mean, it's a you know, no disrespect
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 15: to the north Stroms or anybody, but it's been a
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 15: different animal since he took over.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the thing that you mentioned there that
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: really resonates with me, David, is this the ownership.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: Are we worried about poor ownership? Yes?
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: And why would we be worried about that because we
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: know about that very well in this town. We don't
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: have to get into Howard and and that dipstick for
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: what he did. But let's just even go back when
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: the north Stroms sold to Ken Barry. You went from
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: having Chuck Knox and Mike McCormick running a team that
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: was a playoff team and a playoff contender every year,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: to him bringing in his cronies.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 7: His son, He made his son the general manager.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: And and Tom Flores, the Ronning carcass of once was
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: known Tom Flores comes in and and then if my
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: favorite move he ever made, the greatest move that Cam
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: Barring ever made. He hired Mike Blad, a player agent,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: to be his original GM. He never really got on
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: the job because, if you remember right, Mike Blatt was
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: accused and then convicted, I do believe of killing a
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: rival real estate agent down with a with having two
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: football players killed the guy with a crossbow.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: He never want that.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 7: That's not a good thing.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: That seems to be who hired?
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 7: Who hired? What's it? Was that a bearing hire? What's it?
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 7: Or is that Paul?
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: I think that would have been Paul?
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, that was a disaster obviously.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 7: I mean, look, I mean.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: Find a basketball Bob with basketball okay, Bob.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 15: With Like all we've been doing for the last week
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 15: or so is talking about how great Jody Allen has been.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 7: I mean, Dick and I were talking about this.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 15: A couple of days ago that we all knew that
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 15: eventually she had to sell the team, But you know,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 15: can she keep it? Is that possible? Is there a
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 15: way she could still be involved? I mean, she raised
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 15: the flag on Sunday and maybe she doesn't want to
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 15: walk up there again, maybe she's afraid of heights.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 7: I got no idea, and she wants to sell the
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 7: damn football team.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 15: But I think it is a big deal because again,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 15: even at the very least, you're talking about an ownership
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 15: structure as it's been laid out for the last thirty
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 15: years with an Allen at the helm, that has been
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 15: very successful, and now you just don't know, right, we're not.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 15: There's no need to panic about the team moving or
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 15: that stuff, But what about the results on the field,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 15: right well, I mean this thing is taken off since
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 15: Paul bought the team.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: Well, and think about what Jody has done is I
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: mean we can just call her the owner because I
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: know it's not the technical term, but she's been the
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: acting owner. And since she took over, she had to
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: navigate through Russell Wilson walking into her office and saying
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: fire John, fire Pete. They know, then having to support
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: those two, having to support you know them to make
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: a move and get rid of Russell Wilson, a franchise quarterback,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: having to make the tough decision to get rid of
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: Pete Carroll and keep John snunder and make him the
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: guy in charge, and and all the things that, you know,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: signing off on a major trade.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: You heard Mike.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: McDonald today talk about it. She's involved, and I've heard
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: this for a long time. She's involved. Every week there's
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: a conversation with her McDonald and h and John. Before
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: that it was Pete. She's been hands on, but not
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: overly so not overbearing. But you just said it. The
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: proof is there. They have been successful, and so it
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: makes me nervous too because whether it be you know,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: Howard can bearing at times Mariner ownership. Hello, George Argeris,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, we can go through the whole list of people. Sure,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: we know poor ownership in this town.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 15: Al So, by the way we're hearing, where it is
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 15: twenty thirty one is when the lease is up.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 7: That's what Greg Bell is also saying.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 15: So yeah, so that's that's five years man, that's not
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 15: that's not you know, a long time a gut I.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: Would have you would probably when they sometimes when they
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: do these deals unless it was a Sonics and Key
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: are in it, and they usually have to make an
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: extension of a lease so we'll see joy or.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 15: They can buy out early. Yeah the wait Clay Bennett did,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 15: thank you very much. Well, you know what I'm just
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 15: glad Greg Nichols is not around anymore.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: Well, do you trust the current ministry? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: yeah yeah. I just think about that for a second,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: I mean all seriousness.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, like no, no, I don't know.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: I was not a Bruce Harreld fan by any means.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 7: He's a sports fan though, for sure.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: But compared to what's there now, Well, she.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 15: May not be on the job when this thing actually
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 15: takes place. You know, who knows how long this will last?
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 15: Right when the least comes up?
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: All that real quick? I got a minute before we
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: got all right, feel the same. Yeah.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: So Jody Allen apparently her net worth is twenty billion, okay, right,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: if she bought it, she still have thirteen billion to
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: play with.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 6: Yes, would that makes sense?
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 7: By the team, that's that's the question. Well, the team back, yeah,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 7: I mean she.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: Does not even buying it back, She's just buying it right.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 15: Well, she would sell the team and all the money
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 15: would go to charity, and then she would buy the
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 15: team back with money that she actually has.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 6: She actually has, right.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 7: All we can do? You want to go fun, man,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 7: how about this?
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 15: You can have one super Bowl ticket or like one
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 15: one million of the Seahawks franchise.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: What you pick?
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 15: I think, I think, how how many times is five
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 15: thousand dollars going to seven billion dollars? Somebody looked at million,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 15: one million, four hundred thousand, that would be your Share'd
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 15: be your share.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 15: Oh yeah, Kenzano's gonna come out of three oh five.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 15: And then I don't know, a good day, bad day,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 15: whatever day. It's always good to have Jerry to Poto
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 15: on the radio show. Maybe we'll see if Jerry wants
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 15: to buy the team.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 6: At three twenty, Hey, do me a favor?
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the podal Yeah, ask him what he thought about
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: Jacob Alanson being sent down. I will I get a
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: start huge crocking fix. He actually asked me about that last.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 15: And I want to ask him if he knows what
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 15: they do with the hats when the hat trick gets
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 15: waved off.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: Ask him that too.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 15: We'll talk to him. He'll be with us at three
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 15: twenty on the ice. I'm sure he did. Hugh will
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 15: join us at five. Good day to have him on.
• 1:31:53
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• 1:31:55
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• 1:31:57
  Speaker 7: At six pm.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 15: Tonight he was phenomenal yesterday talking about Mike Now Collinsworth
• 1:32:02
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