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Boys Object to Girl in Boys Locker Room, Women Most Affected | HBR News 517 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: This is HBr News Number five seventeen Boys object to
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  Speaker 1: girl in boys' locker room, women most affected when we
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  Speaker 1: first we have this. In May of twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: at Stonebridge High School in Loaden County County, Virginia, two
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  Speaker 1: boys were suspended for ten days after they expressed discomfort
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  Speaker 1: about a biologically female student who apparently identified as male,
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  Speaker 1: using the boy's locker room and recording them with her
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  Speaker 1: phone or other device. So this is Loaden County. If
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  Speaker 1: you guys don't know, it's been the center of attention
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  Speaker 1: for some sort of like you know, I guess you
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  Speaker 1: could say issues of the wrong sex, people being in
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  Speaker 1: other people's spaces, although in the past it was boys
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  Speaker 1: in girls' bathrooms. I think there was a particular incident where,
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  Speaker 1: you know, something happened with a boy in a girl's bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're seeing the inverse of that, and now the
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  Speaker 1: first time around it created a tremendous amount of outrage.
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  Speaker 1: There was you know, parents were like ranting at the students,
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  Speaker 1: at the teachers rather in the staff, and they needed
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  Speaker 1: something to be done. You probably remember that because I
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  Speaker 1: know we covered it here on the show. So this
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  Speaker 1: incident that this incident though, is the inverse. This is
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  Speaker 1: a girl in the boys locker room who a girl
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  Speaker 1: who identifies as a boy, okay, and recording them. So
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  Speaker 1: this is like another layer on top of that. This
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  Speaker 1: incident led to a Title nine investigation by Loaden County
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  Speaker 1: Public Schools, resulting in the boys, the boys who expressed discomfort,
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  Speaker 1: being found guilty of sexual harassment and sex based discrimination.
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  Speaker 1: The controversy has ignited significant parental backlash and prompted investigations
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  Speaker 1: by Virginia Attorney General Jason Miarez and the US Department
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  Speaker 1: of Education, which subsequently labeled the district as high risk
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  Speaker 1: for its transgender policies. This classification threatens the district's future
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  Speaker 1: federal funding and has intensified debates over student privacy and
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  Speaker 1: gender identity in schools. The broader context of this incident
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  Speaker 1: is rooted in Loaden County's ongoing struggles with transgender policies,
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  Speaker 1: which have previously drawn national attention, which we I'm talking,
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  Speaker 1: which I already set up in the beginning, if you
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  Speaker 1: guys remember, in twenty twenty one, the district faced a
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  Speaker 1: thirty million dollar lawsuit following a sexual assault by a
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  Speaker 1: male student in a woman's restroom, highlighting issues with the
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  Speaker 1: district's handling of gender related policies. The current case has
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  Speaker 1: further polarized opinions, with Virginia Lieutenant Governor win some Seers
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  Speaker 1: advocating for the boys and criticizing what she calls insanity
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  Speaker 1: in gender ideology policies. By the way, which Governor Wins
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  Speaker 1: some Seers is up for reelection this year, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to vote for her if I can, because she
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  Speaker 1: did stand up for the boys in this case, which
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  Speaker 1: seems like common sense to me. The US Department of
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  Speaker 1: Education's intervention underscores the national significance of these local disputes
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  Speaker 1: as it pressures the district to reassess its approach amidst
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  Speaker 1: a backdrop of legal and social contention. So I did
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: I did wonder if this was ever going to crop
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  Speaker 2: up as a story. For all the huffing and puffing
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  Speaker 2: we hear about men invading women's toilets, no one seems
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  Speaker 2: to give a shit about women invading men's toilets, or
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  Speaker 2: indeed men's spaces in general. And the reasoning with which
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  Speaker 2: we're often handed is it's because women don't rape men. Well, yes,
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  Speaker 2: they do, very much, so it's just that we don't
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  Speaker 2: call it rape. In a lot of regions. When it
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  Speaker 2: does happen female and male rape, it usually happens in
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  Speaker 2: private with weapons or coercion or whatnot. It's unlikely to
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  Speaker 2: happen in a public toilet. But on the other hand,
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  Speaker 2: false accusations of rape can happen anywhere, especially anywhere that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have CCTV, which toilets generally don't. So men should
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  Speaker 2: be concerned about women using their toilets and whatever separate
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  Speaker 2: spaces they even have left because there are women who lie.
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  Speaker 2: There are women who lie just for the sake of
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  Speaker 2: fucking up a man's life. It's rare, yes, But is
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  Speaker 2: it any more rare than men raping women. No, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's probably more common. I think it's probably considerably
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  Speaker 2: more common because women can get away with lying almost
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  Speaker 2: as much as they get away with raping men or boys.
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  Speaker 2: But that's not the issue in this circumstance, because we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about school children. School Children aren't generally all that
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  Speaker 2: worried about rape because the children, they generally don't do
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  Speaker 2: much raping, but they do lie. As soon as they
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  Speaker 2: learn to speak, they learn how to lie. So, if anything,
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  Speaker 2: boys have more to fear from girls than girls have
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  Speaker 2: to fear from boys, not least because schools tend to
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  Speaker 2: believe girls no matter what, and they don't believe no
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  Speaker 2: matter what. But it's even more fundamental than that. Children
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  Speaker 2: generally aren't worried about getting raped by other children, or
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  Speaker 2: about getting falsely accused of rape by other children. It's
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  Speaker 2: not the first thing on their minds. But they still
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  Speaker 2: want their toilets to themselves. They want to have something
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  Speaker 2: to themselves, especially boys. They have to spend seven hours
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  Speaker 2: a day in this cramped prison where boys and girls
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  Speaker 2: are just thrown together with each other as strangers, and
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  Speaker 2: the only time they get to segregate as they see
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  Speaker 2: fit is when they go to the toilet. It's the
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  Speaker 2: only space boys have left where they could have a
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  Speaker 2: couple of minutes of respite from the weird shit that
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  Speaker 2: girls do. They can't even go to boy Scouts anymore
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  Speaker 2: because girls fucking killed it, while girl Scouts are still
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  Speaker 2: going strong because boys did not kill it. It's the
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  Speaker 2: it's the small boy equivalent of going for a smoke,
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  Speaker 2: the ben Affleck meme where he's just standing in the
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  Speaker 2: doorway with his cigarette facing the sky, with his eyes closed,
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  Speaker 2: with this palpable expression of holy fucking crap, this is bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: This thing I have to do is bullshit. Thank god
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  Speaker 2: I can have five minutes to myself to get away
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  Speaker 2: from this ridiculous bullshit. Little boys don't smoke.
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  Speaker 1: Much.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they're certainly not allowed to smoke in school.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing they're allowed to do to get away
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  Speaker 2: from girls and the feminist lesbian teachers who treat the
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  Speaker 2: girls better in any every conceivable dimension. All they have
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  Speaker 2: is being able to stand in the little Boys room,
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  Speaker 2: maybe leaning against the wall with their head buried in
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  Speaker 2: their elbow as they piss into the urinal and spend
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  Speaker 2: a few precious moments without that infernal shit in their lives.
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  Speaker 2: So why the fuck should they have to put up
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  Speaker 2: with a girl entering their space and doing the child
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  Speaker 2: equivalent of faulty accusing them of rape. You just hate
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  Speaker 2: trans kids. I'm a boy, just like you. I should
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  Speaker 2: get to use the same facilities as you and not
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  Speaker 2: be judged for the crime of being a girl who
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  Speaker 2: is actually a boy. The boys are just, for fuck's sake,
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  Speaker 2: this was all we had. This was the only space
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  Speaker 2: anywhere in society where we can get away from this
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  Speaker 2: shit for like five minutes. Please, please, for the love
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  Speaker 2: of God, can we have this to ourselves? No? Absolutely not.
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  Speaker 2: You cannot have anything to yourselves. What's mine is mine,
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  Speaker 2: what's yours is ours? Darling. But I'm just a child,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just a little boy.
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  Speaker 1: No, you're not.
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  Speaker 2: You are the patriarchy. It's like your father's father and
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  Speaker 2: your father's father's father. You will never no peace. We
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  Speaker 2: will never allow you to know peace because we have
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  Speaker 2: decreed that you do not deserve it. Fucking womb. We'll
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  Speaker 2: get to that later, all right, good, well, thank you. I,
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  Speaker 2: as a boy, have about seven years left of this
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  Speaker 2: ship before I'm statistically likely to kill myself and so
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  Speaker 2: do you, your stupid fucking tranny. How is this working out?
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  Speaker 2: We're both going to live lives that are nasty, brutish
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  Speaker 2: and short, and we will both shuffle off this mortal
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  Speaker 2: coil along before our time. Is this what you wanted? Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Fair enough, missed an accomplish. I hope the history books
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  Speaker 2: are kind to you. I hope they're at least lenient
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  Speaker 2: with me. I will see you in hell. That's how
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  Speaker 2: hell is segregated. Oh, I imagine it isn't, given how
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  Speaker 2: much of it that we've already seen on Earth.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, there's a few things that I can point out
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  Speaker 3: here that are not echoes, at least first of all historically,
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  Speaker 3: and I know that women have been complaining a lot
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  Speaker 3: in the last few years about boys and girls locker
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  Speaker 3: rooms and boys and girls sports pretending to be trans
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  Speaker 3: in order to get in.
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  Speaker 1: And that is a thing.
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  Speaker 3: There are cisgendered boys and men who have some degree
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  Speaker 3: of predation there in that less than one percent of
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  Speaker 3: the population that is actually criminally violent, that are pretending
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  Speaker 3: to be trans, and that are using that to get
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  Speaker 3: into spaces where women think they're safe and doing things
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  Speaker 3: that they shouldn't be doing. And one of the things
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  Speaker 3: that I have complained about is recording right. So this
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  Speaker 3: isn't something that hasn't been discussed and the behavior hasn't
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  Speaker 3: been condemned. It's something that's been discussed extensively, and the
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  Speaker 3: behavior has been extensively condemned, And all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 3: now that it's happening to boys, it's it's not that
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  Speaker 3: big of a deal. I don't think so. And I
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  Speaker 3: know that historically, this one school system, this one community,
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  Speaker 3: has had a struggle to get their their officials to
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  Speaker 3: recognize that the majority are what what the trans community
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  Speaker 3: calls cisgender, that that's their word for normal, to avoid
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  Speaker 3: using the word normal, and that it is a tiny
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  Speaker 3: minority that they are catering to. And they're not even
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  Speaker 3: catering to real transgender people. They're catering to people with
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  Speaker 3: issues that are using the situation, using the concept of
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  Speaker 3: transphobia and the concept of I consider it to be
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: pathological politeness, where there are circumstances in the face of
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  Speaker 3: which you have every reason to not be polite. If
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  Speaker 3: somebody punches you in the face, you do not politely
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  Speaker 3: ask them to stop. There is a point at which
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  Speaker 3: you have to defend yourself, have to right, and objecting
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  Speaker 3: to their presence is one of the ways to do that.
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  Speaker 3: Objecting to authorities another way. And if this had been
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  Speaker 3: an actual boy in the locker room filming other boys,
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  Speaker 3: would be to beat the ever loving fuck out of him,
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  Speaker 3: And that's what would have happened. The boys being filmed
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  Speaker 3: would have hit the boy that was filming them. But
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  Speaker 3: they can't because the minute they hit this person, she's
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  Speaker 3: a girl again, and they're hitting girls. And I know
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  Speaker 3: that because I've seen that discussion online too. Even though
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  Speaker 3: she's trains, she's smaller and weaker because she has a
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  Speaker 3: female biological body. So we can quit with the bullshit
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  Speaker 3: of you're just transphobic. If you object to this, we
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  Speaker 3: can quit with a bullshit of you are a monster
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  Speaker 3: of isms and phobias. If you don't let people who
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  Speaker 3: claim to be part of a protected group abuse you
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  Speaker 3: with impunity. Being part of a protected group doesn't override
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  Speaker 3: the fact that abuse is abuse. And when I say abuse,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not using that word lightly. Early on in our
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: I guess career, as journalists and commentators, we covered a
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  Speaker 3: story that happened here in Ohio, in Steubenville, where you know,
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  Speaker 3: a girl got drunk out of her mind, and so
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  Speaker 3: did a bunch of boys at a party with her
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  Speaker 3: with her, and they all engaged in a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: sexual activity, and there were pictures and there was a video,
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  Speaker 3: and a bunch of the kids passed the pictures in
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  Speaker 3: video around and because of that, they all got caught,
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  Speaker 3: and the Attorney General of the state in Ohio used
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  Speaker 3: threats of prosecuting those kids for creation and project possession
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  Speaker 3: of child porn, for having those pictures and passing them around,
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  Speaker 3: to coerce them into testifying against the boys and treating
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  Speaker 3: them as having orchestrated the whole thing and committed rape.
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  Speaker 3: And we'll never know what actually happened because the coerce
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  Speaker 3: testimony was used to write the public narrative, and the
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  Speaker 3: fact of the coercion was based on the undeniable fact
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  Speaker 3: that creating images and video of underage kids is the
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  Speaker 3: creation of child porn. So in this story, what is
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  Speaker 3: being reported here is that a high school student was
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  Speaker 3: filming other high school students in the locker room where
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  Speaker 3: they shower and change clothes. So no matter what gender questions.
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  Speaker 3: No matter what discussion there is of sis or trans
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  Speaker 3: or normal or abnormal, or phobic or not, there is
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  Speaker 3: the very bottom line of this story is an individual
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  Speaker 3: went into a locker room where there were underage kids
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  Speaker 3: and filmed them thereby creating child porn. And that's the
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  Speaker 3: real story here, and that's the story that would be
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  Speaker 3: getting told if this was a girl's locker room, and
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  Speaker 3: if this was a girl's locker room, nobody would feel
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  Speaker 3: comfortable defending the act of filming, telling the boys that
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  Speaker 3: their discomfort with this, their objection is somehow an ism
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  Speaker 3: or a phobia. Nobody would be suggesting the individual did
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  Speaker 3: nothing wrong, belonged in there, should be treated with any
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  Speaker 3: form of special lenience or impunity, or that the boys
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  Speaker 3: should in any way be punished for objecting. But here
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  Speaker 3: we are. This is being debated, discussed and debated, and
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  Speaker 3: it's not even rare, right, It's not like this is
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  Speaker 3: the only incident we could get our hands on of
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  Speaker 3: women going into men's spaces, invading men's spaces or boys
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  Speaker 3: spaces against the will of the people whose space it is.
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  Speaker 3: This goes clear back into women and girls suing to
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  Speaker 3: get into men's and boys organizations, professional organizations, recreational organizations, clubs,
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  Speaker 3: and so on. Women and girls suing to join men's
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  Speaker 3: and boys athletic teams during the latter half of the
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  Speaker 3: twentieth century, women suing to work as journalists in men's
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  Speaker 3: locker rooms, the locker rooms of male sports teams, and
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  Speaker 3: then later suing for sexual harassment because they were using
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  Speaker 3: their own locker rooms for their intended function. It's sexual harassment,
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  Speaker 3: guys if a woman invades your naked space and you
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  Speaker 3: happen to be naked in there, and women have for
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  Speaker 3: so long made out like it was an act of
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  Speaker 3: courage to invade men's and boys' restrooms that it's normal.
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  Speaker 3: There is an article IPSOS has nearly half of women
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  Speaker 3: use the men's room, not because it's an emergency, not
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  Speaker 3: because they're desperate to go, and they've confirmed that there's
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  Speaker 3: nobody in there standing at a urinal exposed who doesn't
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  Speaker 3: want them in there or anything like that. Just to
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  Speaker 3: avoid long lines in the women's bathroom because it's inconvenient
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  Speaker 3: for them to wait, they feel annoyed, and so they
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  Speaker 3: invade a men's nude space where by the way, they
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  Speaker 3: might impose their presence on underage boys who are using
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  Speaker 3: the urinal exposed and don't expect a grown woman to
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: walk in on them. So I don't feel sorry for
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: anybody who's upset that people are objecting to this girl
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: being in the boy's locker room. And I have no
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: sympathy for people that are going CC we told you
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: so about men and boys invading girls sports, because actually
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: this is a ce I told you so from boys
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: and men. Women did the invading first, and they've continually invaded,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: and they've continually used the argument it's okay when we
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: do it. Well, here's one that used the moment to
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: create child porn, and there's actually an argument about whether
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: or not that was bad, folks. That is in a
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: nutshell male disposability.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you guys basically said it. I mean, I'm
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: at the point now where I don't really have anything
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: to add. I mean, I think it's it speaks for itself.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: It's not it should be surprising, but it isn't, and
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: it's because kind of where we're at. So, you know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: transmit exist until they're until they feel hard done by
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: then they become women. And that's just the way it
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: is like people want to pretend like they believe in
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: these things, but they really don't, Like they don't when
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: it comes down to it. Think about it. Did Zelenski
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: when Ukraine was drafting, did they draft any trans men? No,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: they let them go. They basically became women. What about
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: trans women, Well, they lost the right to be women.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: They became men again, So they were just drafting trans
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: women and letting the trans men go. It was almost
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: like the whole trans thing is bullshit. It's just bullshit, period,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: and like it means nothing because no one actually believes it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: They just like how it makes them feel to agree
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: with something that is popular, and it makes you look
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: like a good person. But you're not a good person.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: You're not a good person. You're actually the opposite of
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: that because you're allowing people to live a delusion. And
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: also you're still like applying the rules differently anyway, so
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter. Like at the end of the day, anyway,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I got a super chow at the last minute. Thank you, Meredith.
• 25:01
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• 25:07
  Speaker 1: It is hard enough being in a bathroom or a
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: locker room when you are dealing with the same sex,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: there is a reason why these spaces should be close
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: to the close, close to the opposite sex. I guess
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: was what you mean? Yeah, I mean when I was
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: in high school and we did swimming, I did not
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: want to get like naked in front of men. I
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: didn't want to get nick in front of anybody.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: So I like an option, Like I remember that. It's
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: weird that that's even an option. I remember that from
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: high school, Like after we did pe or gym. Yeah,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: went back, went back to the gyms and we have
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: the option of showering off, and a couple of lads
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: did it, and occasionally you'd go back and see them
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: just fucking stop naked. Why do we even do this?
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: It was weird, right and I and the thing is,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: why why do we make minors fucking shower That's.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Crazy, It's weird. They they know that. Like in my
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: high school, which was a.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Public high school option, it was optional at your own no, no, yes.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it wasn't considered optional. It was
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: just like the bog standard unless you did what I did,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: which was basically waiting until everybody else was done, and
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: then like quickly change or I'd like wear my my
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: uh swimming stuff underneath my clothes and then like you know,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: go to a bathroom afterwards and change back out. That's
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: what I would do because I just I didn't want to.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I was too I didn't do that, like no, like
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: that was just no. I was like fifteen, fourteen years old.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Why I didn't know any of those people, you know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's weird enough to do it around other dudes,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: but like to have girls around, that's insane.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: And I was in high school. My female gym teacher
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: would literally stand in the locker room with us as
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: we stripped and went into the shower and check off
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: each of our names. And if she didn't think you
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: washed well enough, she didn't check off your name, and
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: you got into trouble. It detracted from your grade. And
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: if you didn't shower completely frequently enough, you actually got
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: in like a detention. And you know, I complained about
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: that to my parents. I'm like, you know, there's I'm
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: gonna shower after gym class. I was that kid that
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: you know a lot of kids will stand around and
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: do nothing in gym class because they don't want to
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: get sweaty. I treated gym class like recess, and I
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: played hard. I had to carry my inhaler for gym
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: class just in case because I played hard, and so
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: I showered just like you know, they they said you should.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: And I remember after I complained to my mother about that,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, it's kind of weird that she
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: does that. It stopped, and then suddenly I became the
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: focus of a lot of like I got sick one time.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I was in the hospital for a week with pneumonia,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: and when I came out, the doctor said no gym
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: class for three weeks, which to me felt like a punishment.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: And then she punished me for skipping class with a
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: doctor's note for three weeks, even though I was there
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: in the classroom and did everything she couldn't make it difficult.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: I had to complain about that too, like, and this
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: woman was just an absolute bitch to me the entire
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: time I was in gym class. We had the option
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: of taking gym for four years, and I didn't because
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: of her. I only took required gym class and then,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, I was in sports, so I had it
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: after school anyway, But I would say maybe three or
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: four years after I graduated, because I was I was
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: back home from college. She got busted for having a
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: quote unquote sexual relationship with one of the boys in school. Now,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: she didn't teach the boys gym class. She was the
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: volleyball coach. She was, you know, just the gym teacher
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: and a volleyball coach, so she wasn't involved with any boys.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know how she got access to one of them, really,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: but yeah, she she got she got busted for predatory
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: sexual behavior. And I don't even know what all happened
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: other than the fact that, unlike the male teacher that
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: I knew of that that got busted for a semddy
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: with a female student, she did not go to jail,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: She didn't get arrested, she didn't get questioned by police.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: They just fired her and she moved on to another school.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: So yeah, not only was it not optional, like and
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: and students that didn't want to sit next to you
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: in class if you didn't shower would tell on you.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: This person didn't shower, but so so you know, even
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: though none of the other gym teachers ever did that,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Like they didn't come into the locker room and check
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: off names if you didn't shower. You know, it was
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: it was mandatory, but we had the Because it was mandatory,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: because there was a written rule, and because there were
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: penalties associated with breaking the written rule, a predator was
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: able to exploit the situation. When I was in school,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: I still remember that because that was just like, there's
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: probably my first experience with a woman, an adult woman
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: just being creepy as fuck.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let us know what you guys think about
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: this one in the comments. We got to move on
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: to the next story. Speaking of mental illness, so apparently
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: in there was a twenty twenty five Quebec study published
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: in the Journal of Psychiatric Research which found that women
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: who chose induced abortion were more than twice as likely
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: to be hospitalized for mental health problems such as psychiatric disorders,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: substance abuse, and suicidal attempts or suicidal ideation, at least
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: compared to women who carried their pregnancies to term. Specifically,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: the study reported that per ten thousand person years, one
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: hundred and four women or ten thousand person years one
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: hundred and four women who had an abortion were hospitalized
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: for mental health issues versus forty two women who did
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: not have abortions. The research followed over one point two
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: million pregnancies for up to seventeen years after either an
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: abortion or birth, indicating that the risk of hospitalization was
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: highest in the first five years post abortion and was
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: higher for women within pre existing mental health problems. Additionally,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: women who chose repeat abortions were even more likely to
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: encounter mental health problems requiring hospitalization than those who had
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: their first abortion. And I want to say that I
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: sent this link to Aidan Paladin, and I asked her
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: if she could look into it more to just make
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: sure there isn't a kind of like any bias, because
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: the original article came out of I think it was
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Breitbart or something, and of course Breitbart, I think they
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: were sort of like upholding it as like, oh, look,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: this is so obvious. But I did a little bit
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: of digging and there might be a little bit of contention.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: But all I say is it is likely true, but
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: not to the same degree that the original source was
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: sharing it. So I sent it to Aiden, and Aiden
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: told me that she is very interested. She thinks that
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of meat on that bone, and that
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of substance to it and that she's
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: going to read it and may make a video on it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Not subscribe to Aiden Paladin. You know, she occasionally collaborates
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: with us, and she's like a very spurgy researcher that
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: does a lot of homework, so she's going to be
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: following up on this. But like, if you take this
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: and you couple it with the percentage of women that
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: are on SSR EYES, which is like twenty five percent
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: or something of women under thirty or under thirty five
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: something like that, it kind of tracks.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: So you know.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I wanted to put that one out there.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I think, Hannah, you shared this one, so I thought
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: it was PJ Media. I wasn't pride part was media.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Right, right, PJ Media. But my So, the reason I
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: shared this is because of some history that I've experienced.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: I've been a pro life activist for even longer than
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: I've been a men's rights activist. And I've said this before.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: I learned about abortion before I was old enough to
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: have the flawed thinking that adults used to make up excuses,
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: adult women used to make up excuses for terrible behavior.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: So and I learned about it from a nurse. My
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: grandmother was actually an obstetric's nurse before she went on
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: to actually be very instrumental in the creation and definition
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: of a whole field of medicine. But her specialty was
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: babies and childbirth and pregnancy, and so when she explained
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: abortion to me, she explained it in very clinical terms,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: not pulling any punches on what was happening. And we
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: had just you know, finished the part of sex said,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: where they go through the stages of gestation and what
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: is happening. And it's very clear in that discussion that
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: the discussion is about a living human organism at its
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: earliest stage of life, that is essentially the youngest child
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: can be, and that at some point it develops feeling,
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: and at some point it develops sapience and then sentience
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: and you know, and so on, and that there are
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: methods of abortion that take place during all those stages.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: So of course I was horrified, absolutely horrified that anybody
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: would voluntarily do this when there wasn't some medical emergency
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: that forced their hand. And so from the age of
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: fourteen I was an activist and I studied this. I
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: learned about this, I learned about the processes of thought
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: involved in it, the arguments for and against, like everything
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: that I could. I was obsessed with the subject for
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: years because it was such a horrific thing that I
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: think women should know better than to do. And one
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: of the things that I ran up against over and
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: over again is feminist treating it like it's a consequence
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: free means of making sex consequence free. And everything I
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: found in studying the subject, learning about pregnancy and abortion
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: and sexual contact, even just plain sexual they're wrong. There
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: are one hundred percent wrong about every aspect of that.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: There are consequences to frivolous sexual contact even if you
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: don't get pregnant, even if you don't get an SDI.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: There are psychological consequences to that. There are psychological changes
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: that take place because of chemical changes in your body
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: when you get pregnant. There are psychological consequences to cutting
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: that off. Women go through grief after a miscarriage, and
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: it's not just because they wanted the baby. It's because
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: your body is biologically programmed to put you through grief.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: And it really feels like something is wrong that you
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: can't explain to other people after you've had a miscarriage.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I can even put this into words,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: but there is a hole that develops in your psyche
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: where there should there was a developing baby, and now
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: there's not. Even if you didn't know you were pregnant
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: before you had the miscarriage, and I know that because
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: that happened to me, and I went through depression and
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: grief and pain and suffering because of that, And you
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: know it was it was a situation where even if
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: I had known, there was nothing I could have done.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: It was not a pregnancy that would ever have been viable,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: and there was never a chance that there was going
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: to be a baby in that situation. But it doesn't
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: change what it does to a woman's psyche when she
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: experiences that. So to go in and have a physician
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: use instruments to do that to you, it's going to
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: create the same chemical changes, the same biological changes. And
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: even if you were upset about the pregnancy and you
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: didn't want it, you can't prevent that from happening. That
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: still happens. Your brain chemistry still changes, your hormone levels
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: still change, You do still go through an emotional response,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: and it's associated with the experience. So one of the
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: things I learned about during my years as a as
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: a pro life protester and debater was something that pro
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: lifers refer to as post abortion syndrome is traumatical or
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: is traumatic, and abortion is an invasive surgery when it's
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: done like the DNC or the DNE abortions, and there's
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: no getting around that having something inserted into an orifice
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: is invasive, no matter what feminists tell you. It's not
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: like getting your fingernails clipped. And every woman that I
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: know that has been through the experience of having an
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: abortion and been willing to describe it to me has
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: had trauma associated with that experience that's commensurate with trauma
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: that you would have from any other invasive procedure that
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: is done while you are fully conscious, and on top
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: of that, then immediately following that, they have the hormonal
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: changes and the brain chemistry changes that take place after
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: or a miscarriage. And yet abortion advocates consistently even though
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: what I'm describing is similar to like Yeah Bottle, Jen
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Bottle has mentioned postpartum depression is very similar to the
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: way postpartum depression is described. I was lucky I didn't
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: really have severe PPD after birth after giving birth, but
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: I absolutely did after having a miscarriage. It was it
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: was just unbelievable. I cannot begin to tell you how
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: bad that was. It was almost as bad as as
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: the short period in my life when I was suicidal,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: and that it's very, very close. And in any case,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: by denying the existence of post abortion syndrome instead of
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: looking into it as something that might need to be
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: taken into consideration by the industry, that women who experience
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: after an abortion shouldn't turn around and just you know,
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: ignore it and assume that they are the problem because
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: they are listening to the wrong people. But instead they
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: seeks some psychological treatment, then they might you know, they
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: might have had a chance to prevent some women from
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: ending up in this research. They might have had a
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: chance to prevent some women from having breakdowns or trying
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: to commit suicide or otherwise experiencing mental health emergencies. But instead,
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: I know women who have tried to commit suicide after
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: an abortion because they had symptoms that are very similar
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: to a cross between postpartum depression and post traumatic stress disorder.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: And you know, there's nothing wrong with admitting that, even
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: if you're pro choice, because it is an invasive medical procedure,
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: and it is something that changes your body chemistry, and
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: it is something that changes for at least a period
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: of time. It changes the way that you think and
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: the way that you're able to control and respond to
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: your feelings. And the only reason that exists for denying
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: that instead of addressing it is because they know that
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: abortion is an ill advised choice overwhelmingly most of the time,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: and they don't want to talk about that, so they
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: can't talk about it having any consequences for the women.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: And that's the situation now. The other thing that I've
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: observed in terms of like it, and this is a
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: small group, but the women that I know that have
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: had abortions are women with a history of making ill
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: advised choices, where at the very least, their speed of
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: maturing into, you know, the adult behavior of thinking what
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: will happen if I do this? Or can happen if
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: I do this before they do it has been slower
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: than that of the women around them. But a lot
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: of them have had some sort of personality disorder or
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: behavioral disorder where they're like, they're more inclined to make
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: stupid choices even if they consider the possible consequences, and
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: you know, they might be more selfish about who those
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: consequences should fall on even than the average woman. It's
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: hard to extrapolate that to the general female population, but
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: this research kind of clicks with my experience with women
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: who have said, well, I had an abortion and I'm fine,
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: and then in the course of conversation they sort of
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: reveal to you all of the ways in which actually
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: they're not fine. So this issue and I talk a
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: lot about the ethical end of it, that you are
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: terminating the life of a living human organism and the
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: conditions under which that is being done are not conditions
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: that make it acceptable to terminate human life under any
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: other rubric. Like here you are, you know, saying, well,
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: it's because it's unborn, it's because it's not a human yet.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Well it is.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: It's still human and it is alive. So you can't
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: say it's not alive yet. You can only argue things
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: like sentiens and sapiens in personhood, which get into weeds
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: that affect born people with disabilities. Right, I've talked about.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: That a lot.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: But the other end of it is there is damage
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: to the woman when she does this, and a lot
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: of the women that are doing it start out already damaged,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: and that makes the damage they experience afterward even worse.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: And you know, I understand a lot of people recognizing
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: the moral aspect of this or like, well, don't feel
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: sorry for those women. They made their choices, and I
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: can understand that the problem comes in when the consequences
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: that these women are visiting upon themselves alter their behavior
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: in ways that end up visiting them upon the whole
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: rest of the community. It affects their relationships with other people,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: It affects those people's lives, and it affects their relationships
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: with their future children, and it affects those children's lives,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: like in particular, over all of the other people that
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: they have relationships with. So then and then, of course
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: you also have to deal with them at work, if
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: they work in a position where they're dealing with other people.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: You have to deal with the way that they vote,
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: You have to deal with the way that they deal
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: with that spend money, and so on. And if they
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: are bad decision makers, and this makes it worse every
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: issue that is caused in society by people who are
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: irresponsible with money, irresponsible with their relationships, irresponsible with the
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: way that they treat other people gets exacerbated by the
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: issue of consequences women face from having abortion. Being ignored,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: they become a problem in society. So that's why I
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: put this in the chat. It does look like I've
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: been right about this all along, that women are more
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: likely to have an abortion if they already have some issues,
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: and after they've had the abortion, their issues are worse
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: most of the time.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike, did you want anything?
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone knows the meme from before memes were a
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: thing that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, So
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: we have to ask what power has been given to women. Well,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: a hell of a lot of powers that happens, and
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: it's up to and including the power over life and death. Literally,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: they've been given a license to kill. But it's they're
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: not highly trained intelligence agents, especially not fictional ones dealing
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: with international criminal criminals. They are ordinary women dealing with
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: defenseless children, their own defenseless children. Of course, that's going
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: to result in corruption, corruption of the mind and of
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: the moral conscience. That's why they have to linguistically redefine everything.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: It's not killing and that's not a child, we call
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: it something else. Therefore it is something else. That's that's
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: the kind of mental pole vaulting you have to do
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: to justify having the power to kill children. Now we're
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: at the point where that's not a man, and that's
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: not a woman. We call it something else. Therefore it
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: is something else. They do it with everything. Now they'll
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: do it with apples and oranges. At some point, you'll
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: see they'll look at an apple and see what it
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: is because of the obvious apple like properties, and then
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: they'll just discard that sensory information and go. But if
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I identify it as an orange, then it is an orange.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Even though I instinctively and intellectually know the difference between
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: the observable properties of an apple and the observable properties
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: of an orange, none of that, none of that information
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: is as important as the squirrely bullshit that happens between
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: my mouth and my brain, I mean, from my brain
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: to my mouth when it comes to explaining these things.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Because that's how I make it work. That's the only
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: way I can make it work, to justify the literal
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: killing of literal children. And there's not just women, by
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: the way, it's doctors. It's what we call scientists, what
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: we call medical experts. They too have been given the
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: power carte blanche to kill children or be it at
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: the behest of women. Maybe doctors shouldn't be given that
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: power either. Maybe they too are corrupted by this power
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: to the point that they too have decided that they
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: can butterfly someone's genitals and claim they have changed what
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: they know is x y to what they know is xx,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: or vice versa, even though they know they haven't changed it,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: they just cosmetically professed to have changed it. But I'm
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: pretty sure it was women who came first. Women wanted
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: the power to justify any surgical procedure, and the doctors
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: went along with it because the government told them to,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: or the pursuit the pursuit of profit told them to. Well, both,
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: I guess the government and the pursuit of profit subsidized
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: by each other. And now we've reached the point where
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: doctors are at the point where they can order you
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: to undergo any procedure that the government has ordered them
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: to perform, and just like that, like seventy percent of
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: the population has had a corporate product stamped on their genes. Literally.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: I suppose the moral of the story is what's something
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: I already outlined. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and surely you
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: cannot get more absolute than the power over life and death.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: The real problem is how on earth we're supposed to
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: define what life is. Does it begin at conception, does
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: it begin at birth? Or is it somewhere in the
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: nine month process that is the creation of life. It's
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: a hell of a question, the one that we might
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: spend eternity trying to answer. But in the meantime we
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: can trim the logical fat if someone, anyone, perhaps even
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: a Supreme Court justice, can tell you, I don't know
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: what a woman is. I'm not a biologist. But at
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: the same time they will have a very staunch opinion
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: on exactly when a non human embryo becomes a human child,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: the kind of thing on which you would expect to
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: have to consult a biologist of some sort. That's when
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: you've got some shit. That's when you've got some shit
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: going on. There will express total ignorance and total revealed
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: wisdom and exactly the same subject at exactly the same time.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: This is a symptom of having been given a literal
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: license to kill just because you're an ordinary woman. Why
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: wouldn't that corrupt your mental health? So yeah, none of
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: this is particularly surprising when you break it down. Women
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: have been given the power to arbitrate over life and
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: death and it's driving them insane. But there's an easy fix.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: I wonder if anyone tell me what that easy fix is.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: It's maybe don't give women the power to arbitrate over
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: life and death just because they're women. All these stories
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: we have about human hubris and men trying to play
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: god and how it always goes wrong when men try
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: to play god, Well guess what. Women can't be trusted
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: with that power either. Nor doctors neither, even though they
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: are doctors. So definitely not women just because they're women.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: But hey, I'm not a biologist. I'm not even a
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: real doctor. None of those is better colorfices.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Ignore me, thanks Mike. Yeah, I mean I think you
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: guys basically you know covered it, and.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: Uh, there's notthing that needs to be rebutted, and that
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: is that we don't know when life starts.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: There is a scientific consensus on the characteristics that determine
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: whether something is a living organism versus or that it's
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: made up of living tissue, even single celled organisms are
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: considered living organisms, right, So there's a consensus determining what
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: constitutes living organisms versus inanimate objects or organisms that we're
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: alive once but now they're dead. Yeah, and that those
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: are the only three possibilities. There's no pre living organism.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: There's tissue that can create a living organism if it's combined,
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: and there's there's tissue that can support a living organism
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: after it's been created. But none of that is really relevant.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: The thing that's relevant is the only time in discussion
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: of any aspect of medicine or science or law when
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: anyone dev from that consensus is when they're talking about abortion. Yeah,
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: that should tell you more than that begins.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: It's more than that though. It's women's comfort because the
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: conversation has moved away from life and has now become
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: about consciousness. And if you noticed that. But it's not
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: like people will say, no, no, no, we're not talking
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: about when it's alive. We're talking about when it's conscious.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: So consciousness becomes the new goalpost because that's fuzzier. But
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I agree, ultimately, ultimately it doesn't matter because all we're
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: talking about is like, you can look at the abortion
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: issue in a way as a very like hard example
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: of gynocentrism and action, because it has nothing to do
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: with the baby, It has nothing to do with that.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: It has everything to do with the comfort of the
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: woman carrying the unborn child. That's the whole conversation around abortion,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: everything about it, every lot landmine that people dance around,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: every time, people change their vocabulary or the language around
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: it because they're trying not to offend the mother or
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: or even like the the people on the other side
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: of the discussion. All of it is centered around the
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: comfort of women, especially the pregnant woman in question, and
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: and like it's all wrapped in that, which is why
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: if a pregnant woman is murdered it's considered a double homicide.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: It's and that's when it matters because now the woman
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: is dead, so now her victimhood has been elevated to
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: the highest possible standard, which is murder victim. So now
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: we can like use the baby to double victimize the
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: woman and say, oh no, she wasn't just killed, she
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: was killed with child, which means she was extra killed
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: and it's extra bad. So if you want, if people
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: are telling you gino centraland doesn't exist, you can use
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: the abortion argument and the way that it's framed, just
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: the framing of it. The whole thing is framed around
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: women's comfort and women's perspective and women's idea of what
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: a life is. And it literally has nothing to do
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: with the baby, has nothing to do with it. That's
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: just the tool in play. And when you put up
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: the most vulnerable, the most vulnerable human which is an
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: unborn child, and they become a tool for the woman
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: that is carrying the child, that's when you know you
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: have maximized on abortion on ginocentrism. Rather that is to me,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: like the that's it, that's the highest form, and so
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: it becomes whatever it needs to be that keeps the
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: woman comfortable, whether it's a clump of cells or a life.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: So there's solid evidence for what Brian has said there
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: and some of the best evidence you can get for
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: it is if you talk about abortion from the perspective
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: of the there's also a legal and social consensus on
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: the circumstances under which it is regrettable but acceptable for
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: one human being to take action to terminate the life
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: of another human being on purpose right not just to
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: stop preserving a human life, but to actively do something
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: to stop the progress of a human life. There's there's
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: consensus on when that's that's acceptable, and consensus on when
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: it's a crime or when it's a sin, right when
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: it's when it's an evil act, and that gets abandoned
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: in the discussion on abortion as well, and abortion advocates
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: come up with all kinds of convoluted scenarios to discuss
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: that reverse cause and effect and reverse agency between the
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: mother and the baby in pregnancy scenarios in order to
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: get around that when discussing this subject, and the fact
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: that people tolerate that, the fact that people go along
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: with those discussions and debate those questions as if they
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: are legitimate questions just because we're discussing abortion tells you
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: everything you need to know. Kindness centrism exists, and it
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: is a threat to the entire area of human ethics.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, anyway, let us know what you guys
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: think about this one in the comments. We got to
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: move on to the next story. I got a super
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: child from Richard Bierre. Thank you Richard for five dollars,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: and he says what Hannah just said, thank you. All right,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: So let us know what you guys think about this
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: one in the comments, and we'll move on. So these
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: last two stories a little bit more like chill. So
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: Disney is grappling with a significant dilemma as it's marquee franchises,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Star Wars have all lost
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: appeal among young gen Z men for some reason which
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: I can't possibly fathom, a demographic that once formed a
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: core part of their audience. According to a Variety report
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: and several others, at this point, there have been more
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: since Disney executives are now pressuring creatives to develop new
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: content specifically targeting boys and young men aged thirteen to
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: twenty eight, acknowledging that the current strategy of endless sequels
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: and reboots has alienated this group. Yeah, not the stuff
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: that's all girl boss stuff and like shitting on men,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: but okay. The shift comes after ten years of criticism
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: that Disney prioritized female audiences, often at the expense of
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: male fans, leading to a decline in box office performance
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: for films like Fantastic Four, First Steps and a seven
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: year hiatus from Star Wars theatrical releases. This strategic pivot
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: is an attempt to recapture a loss audience, but it
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: faces challenges due to damage brand loyalty and the need
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: for fresh, original storytelling rather than recycled ips. The underlying
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: issue for Disney is not just the loss of audience,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: but a broader cultural shift where gen z Men are
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: increasingly turning away from traditional media consumption habits. Disney's focus
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: on diversity and inclusion while expanding its reach to other demographics,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: has been perceived by many as neglecting the male centric
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: narratives that once define the Marvel and Star Wars ips.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: This perception has been exacerbated by the studio's reliance on
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: film familiar characters and storylines, which have failed to resonate
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: with younger viewers who are more engaged with digital platforms
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: and alternative forms of entertainment. As Disney scrambles to win
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: back gen z Men, it must navigate the delicate balance
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: of addressing past mistakes without alienating its current audience, all
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: while competing in a rapidly evolving media landscape where content
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: consumption is fragmented across multiple platforms. Does Disney have a
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: chance to recapture gen z Men? What could possibly have
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: gone wrong? All right, I'll leave it to you guys.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Male centric narratives my ass. By the way, Disney has
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: always been about the princesses. That in itself is not
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: even a recent emergence. Disney built its bread and Butter
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: on European folk tales. Snow White is German, Cinderella and
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: Sleeping Beauty and Beauty and the Beast are all French,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: as is hunters Beeck of Notre Dame. Obviously, the Little
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Mermaid is Danish, Pinocchio is Italian, the Sword in the
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Stone is English, a Ladin is well Arabian. It's peripheral.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: That was when they started branching out beyond Europe. That's
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: that's when we had Moulan and Moana and all that jazz.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: But you'll notice the female lead characters are mostly royalty
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: or the cultural equivalent of royalty, and the male lead characters,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: as and when they appear are mostly street rats and
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: squires and even little little boys raised by wolves in
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: the Indian jungle or whatever. In fact, Arthur in The
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: Sword and the Stone and Mowgli in The Jungle Book
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: are the exact same character with a palette swap, even
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: down to animated scenes being copied frame for frame. Disney
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: did this for the first pretty much century of their catalog.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: They focused on European folk tales, and European folktales happened
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: to be mostly about female princesses or male paupers. That's
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: what European culture has made their stories about rich girls
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: who encountered hardships and extremely poor dog's body boys who
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: evaded all odds and somehow made it good in the end.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: So it's not even initially Disney's fault that this weird
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: dynamic has always been ingrained. That's the way European folk
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: tales have ingrained these stories in US for quite a
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: long hours time, and it's because of romantic chivalry, which
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: has been a European tradition for a millennium. Like leaderally
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: a millennium, it was decided some time ago that males
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: should have to work hard to pull themselves out of poverty,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: whereas females should be rich by default, they should be
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: princesses by default, and they should only have to face
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: challenges that only a princess should ever have to face. Yes, folks,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: feminism did not invent this idea that all women are
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: queens and that men should aspire to serve those queens.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: This is a social contagion that has been depth charging
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: its way through our culture like a tapeworm for the
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: last thousand years, so it's hardly surprising that Disney doesn't
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: know what the fuck to do other than portray women
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: as royalty and men as peasants. The Grim Brothers had
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: the same problem. Fucking Shakespeare had the same problem. To
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: make female characters interesting to a romantic chivalric audience, they
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: have to be queens and princesses, either in potential or
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: by divine intervention. Otherwise, women don't give a shit because
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: they see themselves as royalty who should be treated like royalty.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Women seem to want aspirational roles and men want challenging roles.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: That might sound normal, but it's not necessarily. It seems
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: to be the result of a guynescentric cult mentality that
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: tells women they deserve the world and tells men they
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: should fight the world so that women can have it.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: This is not, in fact normal, folks. It's just that
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: we spent the last thousand years convincing ourselves that it
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: is normal. That's why Disney is so confused by all this.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: It's not It's not just because the world has gone
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: incalculably gynescentric in the last ten years. It's because the
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: world has gone in calculably guyanescentric over the last thousand years.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: No wonder they don't know what to do when the
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: only people telling them how deep this missandric problem is
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: is terminally online space lepers like us Traditionalists can't get
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: through to them because traditionalists are under the same spell.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: They only have one gear, and it's men must give,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: women must receive. They even think it's evolutionarily normal, but
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: it's not. The reality is that men and women should
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: both give. That way, they both receive from each other.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: That's how you get a mutually beneficial relationship rather than
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: a dysfunctional codependence. I don't expect Disney to understand this
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: anytime soon, because even the majority of males who are
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: complaining about how alienated they feel, even they don't fully
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: understand why and how deep this alienation is ingrained in US.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: It's like deconverting from a religion, an extremely strict religion,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: one that's written between the margins of religious texts. Kind
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: of centrism isn't a religion, it's an invasive species of
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: fungus that grows on the bodies of religions, and indeed
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: grows in the absence of religions. We generally lack the
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: vocabulary to describe it because the kind of centric ideology
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: deliberately deprives us of that vocabulary by calling everyone misogynists
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: if they ever venture into that area. I don't know
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: how much damage this is going to do to Disney
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: as they dance around the real problem hopelessly unable to
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: see the real problem. It's very possible that Disney will
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: die and its fall will be greater and swifter than
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: its rise, just because they can't figure out just how
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: deep this cultural dysfunction is. But I hope they do,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: because Disney, for all it's evil, they are astonishing crafts people,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: from their songs to their animation. They are masters when
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: it comes to these esthetic details, peerless masters, quite honestly.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: But when it comes to scripts and plots and character dynamics,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: they have become lost in the guynescentric dream to which
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: they had almost no choice but to attach themselves. And
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: I look forward to the day they realize that they've
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: been hampered all along by this ancient guydescentric paradigm. Maybe
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: one day they can escape that paradigm and make movies
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: about women who are not necessarily perfect and men who
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: are not necessarily scum. I'm not confident, and frankly, they
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: don't much care if their company crashes and burns. If
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: they can't figure out this obvious truth, they deserve to die,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: and maybe a phoenix will rise from the flames. That
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: truly does treat men and women as equally culpable, equally
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: noble entities. But we'll see, someone will see, and whoever
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: they are, I hope they live happily ever after.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: The end.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't think Disney actually believes that they
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: are alienating men with this stuff. There have been too
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: many articles from the establishment left wing media out there
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: where there have been little quotes or other indications that
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: big media corporations, big entertainment media corporations, whether it's making
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: movies or television shows, games, music, books, artwork, anything like that,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: they all seem to have the consensus that if men
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: don't like what they're doing, and they don't like being
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: preached to, if boys don't like stories that don't have
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: the hero's journey that they all crave, if they don't
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: like stories that don't have action and adventure and challenges
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: that they can pretend, you know, they can incorporate into
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: their their their imagination play their pretend games and stuff
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: like that. That there's something wrong with the audience and
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: not the creator. And I don't I don't think that
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: this article changes that. I think that what it does
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: is deflect because if you've noticed in this they're not
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: so much blaming the fact that they have guynocentric content
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: and that they have male dmazing content and uh and
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: so on, as they are blaming people for not liking
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: diversity and not liking repetition. Oh, it's because we're we're
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: not creating anything new. If we create new and different
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: ways to demonize men and boys as toxic and useless,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: then and we create new and different ways to portray
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: the girl boss for for male audiences though, like that right,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: And it's not that they don't get it, it's that
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: they want that to work. And and it is something
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: that they are using to try to manipulate you so
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: that you will become compliant with other initiatives that you
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: try to get you to vote for politicians based on
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: how they serve women and UH to step aside in
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: the workplace so that more women can become part of
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: the workplace, so that they can pass more law and
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: policy intended to control men in the workplace, on the
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: excuse that they have to do that because men in
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: the workplace are not nice to women in the workplace. Right.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: It's all about power, and it's all about control. It
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: has absolutely nothing to do with entertainment, and it has
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with sales. Disney doesn't need the audience.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: They get Black Rock money, right, they get They get
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: money from the wealthiest organizations in the world. They get
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: big bank money, they get money from government. The audience money,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: your money that you spend at the movie theater, and
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: your money that you spend on whatever subscription services are available.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: That's a drop in the bucket, right, That's that's nice,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: that's the icing on the cake for them. But if
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: nobody spends a dime going to see their movies, it'll
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: take a lot for the company to become insolvent because
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: they are doing what the establishment wants them to do.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: So the only thing about this article is that it
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: is a precursor. Within the next six months or the
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: next year or two, we'll start seeing articles about how
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: hard Disney tried to reach out and extend an all
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: olive branch to these evil, toxic male audiences that refuse
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: to patronize the company. And how dare boys and men
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: not appreciate that and reciprocate. We'll see it in some
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: form or another. You just watch watch this space, because
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: we will be talking about this again. I'm one hundred
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: percent certain of it. I have no doubt. It's exactly
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: the same thing that happened with games industries, from the
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: game creation industry and the game sales industry to reporting
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: on games and you know, game contests and everything. And
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: when the consumer said, we don't like what you're doing,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: what did the companies do? What did the media do?
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: They demonized the consumer, They kicked the consumer out, They
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: said the consumer was irrelevant, and then they had a
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: temper tantrum because consumers consumer said okay, well fuck you too.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: So uh yeah, just like I said, watch this space.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: Sometime in the next like maybe six months to a year,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: however long it takes them to be able to say, look,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: we've done these new things and it didn't work. We'll
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: start seeing male audiences condemned as toxic and as as
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: isomphobic monsters and as as ungrateful for Disney's all of
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: not taking Disney's Disney's olive branch.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: So I think that.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: Disney has been losing money hand over fists for years now,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: and it's because of these changes they've been making to
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: to make brands that were historically male dominated more like
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: their own brands, which are historically female dominated. Mostly Disney
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: is a female brand, although also it was originally a
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: family brand like in the early days, but more a
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: little bit leaning towards the female, you know, in the
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: in the nineties with the sort of what they call
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: the Disney Renaissance of the Silver Age, you know, Little
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: Mermaid and all that, it was more feminist, and a
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: lot of people don't want to acknowledge this, but the
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: Disney movies of that time were very feminist, progressive for
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: their time when they came out. When they bought the
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: rights to Star Wars and the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Pixar,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: which doesn't get mentioned, Pixar suffered a lot as well.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: These are all brands that were built by men. Star
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: Wars was built by men, It was thought up by men,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: it was written by men. Marvel comics was written by men.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: It was illustrated by men. It was written for men
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: and boys, very popular with college college men in fact,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: and the you know, the the Pixar stuff had a
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: lot of male influence. It wasn't like specifically for men,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: but a lot of it was when you look at
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: the early Pixar stuff like Toy Story, which was about
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: a boy and his toys, or you look at cars
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: or any of the Brad Bird things. You know, brad
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: Bird was the guy who created an Iron Giant, which
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: is definitely a boy oriented story, as well as The Incredibles,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: which was so masculine that a lot of let's say
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: media literacy experts online call it like a fascist inn
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: rand Dream, you know, fever Dream was story which you know,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: there's some truth to but obviously they didn't like it
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: very much, which is why they killed it in the sequel.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: But so like they what they they took some brands
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: that were historically for men and they tried to make
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: them for girls, but they weren't really for women or
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: girls either, because they were all queer coded and they
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: had all these activists working there as well as like
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: what people call Disney adults so people without kids that
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: go to like the theme parks, and they don't understand families.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: They don't like families very much. They don't like, you know,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: pairing people who pair up in a normal way and
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: form families, so they tend to make content that's against
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: that in some way. I remember Soup Dog got into
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: a little bit of hot water because he was on
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: a podcast with someone and they were talking about the
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: queering of Disney films, and he was talking about he
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: took like his grand grandchildren to watch like the buzz
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: Lightyear movie, the one that no one remembers that had
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: like it was like not related to the toy Story movies,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: and I guess it had like some you know, lesbian
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: scene in it, and he was like, I don't want
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: my kids watching that. So you know, that obviously got
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: him in trouble. And it's basically because these people, these
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: writers that work there, they're all putting their activist ideas
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: and their progressive ideas into shit, thinking that it's it's
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: going to be for the modern audience because they're friends
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: like it, which is not really the modern audience, right,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: It's not the audience. It's a very tiny minority, and
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: now they're scrambling to figure out what the hell went
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: wrong when they're like, I think they're like over a
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: billion dollars in the hole for all of their failures,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: between the MCU, the Star Wars stuff, and the Pixar stuff.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: There was a time, by the way, where Pixar could
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: do no wrong. Every movie was a smash, every single
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: one of them. And then you know when some of
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: the some of the guys that worked there, the old
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: brass left, and this was right around the time that
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Disney had bought Star Wars and Marvel. Pixar went right
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: into the tubes and there was no difference between one
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: of their movies and one of Disney's movies. And what
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: I think is happening now is that they've done the
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: whole shaming thing. They've done that, like they've done it
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: with everything they released. They said, oh, the people watch
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: this are chuds. They're misogynists, they hate women, they hate gays,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: they're racists. Whatever they've done all of that, it doesn't work.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: Nobody cares. Now they're just like, Okay, we have to
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: do something. They're legitimately trying to figure out how to
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: appeal to people. They fundamentally don't understand. And it reminds
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: me of the Democrat Party in twenty twenty four when
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: they were trying to appeal to men and they had
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: like white dudes for Harris and all of this really cringey,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know if it's marketing, but if you
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: would even call it that, but it was like obviously
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: like hello fellow kids for you know, young guys, and
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: they just have no idea. And so what I would
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: say is that the only way that Disney has a
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: chance of rescuing these ips is they have to like
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: take the rot out in their own company at the
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: very root, Like they have to get rid of all
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: of those people who are cancer for the brand and
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: hire new people. And in particular, they need to get men.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: And I know there's a lot of really talented men
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: out there that have a lot of really good ideas
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: that probably were not given a chance. I can think
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: of a couple of guys I know off the top
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: of my head, like Luke Weber, who is a very
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: talented animator and storyboard artist, and he's a dude, and
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: he's got like dude ideas. He worked on Ben Ten,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: he worked on Ninja Turtles.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: He knows this stuff, and I know there's a lot
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: of other very talented guys out there. The question is,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if it's really a question,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: but what the question I would ask is, is Disney
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: brave enough to actually say we were wrong, We didn't
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: like we don't appeal to men. We have to figure
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: out how we're gonna hire whoever we have to hire.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: We're gonna give them the creative freedom and the space
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: to do something. I think, I think, and I know
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of cynicism in our chat right now, probably,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: but I think that stories are absolutely crucial and they
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: could come from anywhere. It doesn't have to be Disney
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: that makes them. But if they want to compete, they're
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: going to have to hire men that know how to
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: tell a story to other men. And that's the only
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: way this is going to work. And I hope they listen,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: but they probably won't. But that's basically my advice. My
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: advice to Disney is to fire the women, fire the queries,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: and get the men in there for your Star Wars
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: and your Marvel stuff. Get them in there and maybe
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: maybe you'll be able to like salvage something. But that's
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: the only way this is going to happen. And I
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: mean I do want that because I want boys to
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: have stories like I had stories, and like the generations
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: before me had stories, and I think that they're good,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: like stories are how we communicate as humans, is how
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: we share our values and ideas. But they have to
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: be from a place rooted in reality. They have to
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: be downstream from reality, and that means they have to
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: reflect the world that actually exists, not the one that
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: these people want to manufacture. So that's all I wanted
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: to say about that. I guess let me see if
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: you guys have any comments here. Ben Ten's really cool. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: Luke Weber's very cool. He worked on that. So I
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: got a super chat from Albatross, who gives us five
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: dollars and says, I really can't see why Disney is
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: so upset. They will at least the active is working
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: there are getting what they fought for for a decade
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: and a half. You know, I will say one of
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: the thing about that too. I think it's also worth
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: pointing out one of the reasons why a lot of
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: the people ended up working in these companies that have
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: no talent is because they use the me Too movement
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: to get a bunch of men fired from their jobs
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: and then took them. So that's another thing too, is
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: that we're still feeling the effects of me too when
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: it happened in like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, and it
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: basically resulted in all of our media just going to
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: shit twenty sixteen on basically remember Ghostbusters. Yeah, that's kind
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: of where it was, like where it started. So but
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: or at least really ramped up where like male brands
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: were like getting attacked or deconstructed. So anyway, that's basically
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: what I wanted to say about that. Let me know
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: what you guys think about that in the comments, and
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing your thoughts speaking of killing brands.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: So I didn't know that this was going to be
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: the big deal that it was, but apparently it is. So.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: The popular restaurant chain Cracker Barrel, known for its country
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: hospitality and nostalgic Americana theming, has started a radical brand
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: shift that is rubbing most people the wrong way. Last week,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Cracker Barrel unveiled their new logo, which sees the removal
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: of both the old Man, the Cracker Uncle Herschel is
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: his name and the iconic barrel, so the cracker and
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: the barrel are both gone. Despite Cracker Barrel president and
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: CEO Julie Messino making the media rounds and assuring everyone
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: the change is positive and being received well, looking everywhere
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: else spells out the opposite, including the plummeting Crocker Barrel
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: stock price. Social media users have been especially scathing, with
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: many pointing out the sign isn't the only change. Many
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: stores are being refurbished into a more bland and boring
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: corporate esthetic, mirroring the fates of many modern McDonald's taco
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: bells and pizza huts. Despite the mainstream media's attempts to
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: paint the issue as only one that maga or Trumpsters
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: are concerned about, the Democrat Party's official Twitter slash accent
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: out the following message, we think the Cracker Barrel rebrand
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: sucks too. Facing nearly universal condemnation for the rebrand, Cracker
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: Barrel has finally started to admit fault, stating the following quote.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: If the last few days have shown us anything, it's
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: how deeply people care about Cracker Barrel. We're truly grateful
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: for your heartfelt voices. You've also shown us that we
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: could have done a better job sharing who we are
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: and who will always be end quote. And also I
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: wanted to add on to that. The CEO of Cracker Barrel,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: Julie fels Messino, basically was trying to modernize and re
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: fresh the brand while preserving its core identity, making it
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: more relevant to current and future generations. So basically she
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: was trying to give it the modern audience treatment, which
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: is why it's so goddamn ugly. So anyway, I want
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: to see what you guys think. If you do you
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: even care? I mean I kind of do because it's
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: about aesthetics.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: But I mean, I go off, this is not about aesthetics. Okay,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: this this is about men. I don't know if people
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: know this, but that uh, there's a real story behind
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: that original logo, all right. The real life creator of
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: the company, Dan Evans, had a family member, uncle Herschel,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: real life relative who this was based on. He was
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: the goodwill ambassador to the public for the brand.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: Hit.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: He he had this great story. He was, you know,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: regular guy flower salesman worked for had a whole career,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: traveled across the South to general stores, to make his
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: living and was involved in the creation of the company,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: and he brought his long standing tradition of treat other
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: people the way you want to be treated to the company.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know if people are familiar with that concept
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: being associated with a particular religion, but from my experience,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: that's its most well known association, even though it may
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: not be its origin. Do unto others as you have
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: them do unto you. Treat others the way that you
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: want to be treated. It is part of the definition
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: of love that is under discussion when you're admonished to
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: love your neighbor. And it is a fundamental principle of
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: how men keep peace in the world, and when it
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: breaks down there is war. It is the epitome of masculinity.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: Treat other people the way you want to be treated
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: because it increases, if nothing else, your chances that they
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: will do the same for you and you won't have
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: to fight. Right And to bring that to a company
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: that is trying to sell to people food and products
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: and so on, that is to make a company it's
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: brand become that of integrity and peacefulness, brotherhood and love.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: And it's always been that the restaurants are an incredibly
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: comfortable place because of that attitude and the removal of
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: that man, specifically from that emblem, from that logo. It's
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: not just about updating. It's not just about using less
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: ink or making it look clean cut or anything like that.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: It's not even just about decuontrifying it, which a lot
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: of people have said. It's about removing the masculinity from
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: the company, the fundamental building block, the foundational building block
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: on which that company was built, because man, bad, woman good,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: And people don't necessarily understand the disgust that the general
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: public has for that. And I don't know that necessarily
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: all of the outrage comes from understanding that. But what
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: that company has done there, like, that's not the erasure
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: of something because people are offended by exploitation of some
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: minority group, or people are offended by mistreatment of some
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: you know, or some fictional character that's a misrepresentation of
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: you know, like a stereotype of some minority group. It's
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: a real male human being who had a very great
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: point about how people should treat each other and how
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: customers should be treated by companies that want to sell
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: them things. And and that's what they eliminated that was
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: the thing that they found just intolerable on their logo.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: It's it's just like the moment when Google removed Don't
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: Be Evil from the wall in their offices. It's telling
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: you something about the direction that this company intends to go.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: Yep, Mike, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: When I first saw this story doing the rounds on Twitter,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: I thought to myself, what's the big deal? All they've
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: done is change their logo. How is how is this
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: a story that everyone's talking about now? It's just a logo?
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: But then it was it was explained to me that
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: it's not just a logo. It's a complete overhaul of
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: the esthetic of the restaurant chain. Like they used to
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: have this sort of rustic, old fashioned theme, but now
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: they've changed that theme to just this gray, unremarkable slop.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: They didn't just change their logo. They rehold the decor
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: of every restaurant across the country, and it cost them
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: like a billion dollars, like seven hundred million dollars or
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: something silly to do all this redecorating or rather undecorating
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: that Brian was saying the same thing happened with McDonald's
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: like twenty years ago. It used to be bright red
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: and yellow because children enjoyed it. They used to have
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: children's play sections within the restaurant with slides and ball
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: pits and whatnot. But then in the mid naughties, across
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: the whole world, they changed it to this dark, olive
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: green motif, like this army camouflage shit going on. And
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: at the time, we were all like, what the fuck?
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: How is this an improvement. This is McDonald's. It's supposed
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: to be fun. We were fine with the odd thing.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: Why have you done this? And I think what happened
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: is a bunch of Karen's complained. They complained that McDonald's
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: was advertizing itself in a child friendly way and by
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: doing so, they're making children fat. They alone are making
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: children fat. So these children's mothers went, It's not my
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: fault that I'm choosing to bring my children to McDonald's
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: and feeding them toxic plastic facsimiles of food and it's
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: making them fat. It's their fault. It's McDonald's fault for
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: having the audacity to be appealing to my children. How
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: am I supposed to say, no, we're not going to
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: McDonald's when my children go. But we loved it last
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: time you took us there, mother, please take us again.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: And because modern women have this inability to take responsibility
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: and agency, they just went, I don't have to change.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: You do stop putting temptation in the way of me
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: and my kids. We cannot possibly be expected to regist
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: such temptation. And I'm and I'm like, maybe a similar
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: similar thing happened with Cracker Barrel that they do currently
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: have one of those lesbian feminists looking CEOs that keeps
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: fucking everything up. But I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: I've never been to Cracker Barrel. You guys, you guys
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: have like a million different friendship.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: Dude, Cracker bell is actually really good. Like I I
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: there was what not one in Chicago, But when I
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: went to Indianapolis, I used to go to the cons
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: there like back in the day, and there was a
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: Cracker Barrel in the area. I liked it. It was good.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: It was really cool, like very like cozy.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: Anyway, Sorry, I just butt in, but Cracker Berels don't
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: shit on that place. It's good.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the food is amazing, but this this action is
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: probably going to kill the business.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: I believe you. I don't believe you when you say
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: all of these are they diners are great, But there's
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: so many of them. I was saying, you guys have
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: like a million different franchise eateries in America. We don't America.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: It's America.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: That's why in Britain we have like Greg's, the the
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: Bakery slash Deli, and we have Weatherspoons, which is just
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: a company that bought up.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: Well, you guys probably got a lot of like kebab
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: places though, right, yeah, but that.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: But they're not franchise that independent businesses.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: It's another aspect of this story that is probably largely ignored.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: There is an American tradition that fueled the creation and
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: growth of a lot of these mid range pricing, sit
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: down restaurants. It's not like a super expensive place to eat.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: It's it's not priced that high above what it costs
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: to eat fast food.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: It's like IHAP but it's yeah, but.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: But the food there is definitely loads better than I Hop.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not really impress comparable.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, price wise, it's comparable to I Hop. But it's
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: a sit down family restaurant that serves entrees that are
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: the kind of thing that that that you would get
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: with a good home cooked meal and that kind of thing,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: and that that tradition is people going to Sunday brunch
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: after church, families going to Sunday brunch after church and
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: socializing at Sunday brunch after church. And I don't know
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: if that's necessarily an early twentieth century tradition, but during
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: the the mid and latter parts of the twentieth century,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: that was a very strong tradition. Almost everybody that I
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: went to church with and the subsequent churches that I visited,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: it's it's the norm in most church cultures that after church,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: before you go home, while you're still dressed in your
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: Sunday best as a family, you go someplace nice and
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: go out to eat. And all of these restaurants have
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: capitalized on that. And there's nothing wrong with that. In fact,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: it's it's nice to create a comfortable, inviting, hospitable and
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: fun to look at environment for that purpose. And then
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: this is this is kind of shitting on that too.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I were saying, even in Britain, most of
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: the franchise chain eateries we have in Britain American ones
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: McDonald's and Burger King and KFC, and we have some
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: pizza huts and some Dominoes, and this even a Taco
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: Bell in Swindon. I had no idea we had Taco
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: bell until I saw one in Swindon. American franchise eateries
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: are like the equivalent of unpronounceable British town names or
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: city names or county names. We in Britain we know
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: how they're pronounced, but we only know how they're pronounced
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: because we've lived with them for our whole lives, and
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: eventually we learn where they are and how they're pronounced.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: In America, you have hundreds of franchise diners like Fucking
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: Red Lobster and Olive Garden and Panda Express, Dunkin Donuts,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: Chrispy Kreme and Tick fil A and Popeye, Carls Jr.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: And Five Guys and In and Out Burger and Wendy's.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: We used to have that in Britain, but it died
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: in the eighties. And that's the point. I suppose it's
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: because the USA is practically a continent, whereas Britain is
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: just an island in the vicinity of route of Europe.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: I'm sure Europe has just as many franchise but most
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: of them we don't know about because they're in other
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: countries with completely different languages, And I don't know where
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: I'm going with this. I'm mostly waxing lyrical on the
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: difference between European and American culture. But make no mistake,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: the same thing is happening. The same woke bullshit is
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: working its way through whatever it can work its way through.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: In the American cases, burning through your private companies and
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: turning them into gray masses of ashes. In the European case,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: they're already doing that to our public services. They're doing
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: it to the population itself. What Cracker Barrel is being
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: subjected to is what the European people are being subjected to.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: We're being turned into a gray, brutalist mass of unintelligible architecture.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: They already killed the possibility of having one hundred different
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: choices of where to eat. Now you only have one
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: possibility of who to even be, and it's an undifferentiable,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: beige nothing. People. This is your weekly reminder, my American friends,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: Cracker Barrel is just one of your many canaries in
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: the coal mine. What's happening to your beloved franchises will
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: soon happen to your population. You won't be allowed to
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: show your true colors. You'll be obliged to show whatever
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: colors blend in best to all the other colors. I
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: think you probably get what I'm saying. The apocalyptic phenomenon
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: that calls itself diversity is in fact the opposite of diversity.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: It's the pursuit of boring, homogeneous homogeneity, where everything is
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: an inoffensive grayish, beigeish blob that can't possibly rub anyone
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: the wrong way. Don't let it happen. Don't let them
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: turn every franchise into the same interminable grayish browns slop.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: That way lies the apocalypse, an apocalypse that you won't
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: even notice, because it will fuck you from the ass up.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: You can probably already feel it, You feel that, you
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: probably do. Shit it out, gentlemen, Shit it out as
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: fast as you can.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: Breaking news. Well, as of thirty minutes ago, they reverse
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: Chorse on the cracker barrel icon. They're gonna go back
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: to the old one. Stocks have already started to rise
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: again another billion dollars. I don't know. I don't know
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: if it got like past the stage of like showing
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: it off, you know, like it's not like they're taking
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: the signs down and replacing them. But yeah, word is uh,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: they've they've listened the feedback and they're going back to
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: the old, the old graphic. And uh, I don't know
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: if that. I think that woman the CEO, she may
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: she may have to step down. We'll follow up, we'll
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: see what happens. But yeah, definitely they're going from what
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: according to Pirate Nation on X, who is usually like
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: on the bleeding edge of this stuff. They have. They
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: have decided to go back to the old icon. It
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: got meaned until oblivion. So I think that that that's
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: probably why. So yes, yes, beauty wins, we go back
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: to esthetics. Let's do it good.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I've been told by somebody that that the
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: the Cracker Barrel website has added a thing that says
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: that's not Uncle Herschel on our logo. They always said
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: in the past that that was Uncle Herschel. So if
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: they're saying now that it's not, that was because of
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: the rebranding. But just just so you know, I'm glad
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: that they went back and took a second look at that,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: because that that's something that a company does if they're
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: actually considering the consumer. So if they're still considering the consumer.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: That's that's good. Yeah.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: Apparently one of the one of the major investors in
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: cracker Barrel, like one of the big stockholders, who was
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: a man, was like, this is not gonna go well,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: and they ignored him. So probably man's plaining like some
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: giga chat guy with glasses like, yeah, this isn't gonna
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: go over well. Yeah, so anyway, uh, yeah, men are
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: right again.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: How people are mentioning waffle house in the chat too, Yeah,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: waffle house is a whole other discussion.
• 1:44:43
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• 1:44:48
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• 1:44:51
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• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: middle aged men are amongst society's loneliest people. What does
• 1:44:57
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• 1:45:01
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• 1:45:04
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