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Top 25 Female Rappers Of All Time: Left Eye The GOAT? Plus Drake/UMG/Kendrick Contract News #121 · The Grounded Show

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  Speaker 1: All right, So last time we spoke on this, we
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  Speaker 1: specified that we would not bring it back up a
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  Speaker 1: development in a story or if there was something that
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  Speaker 1: was pertinent about it, and that is the case right now, so.
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  Speaker 2: It's not about the music anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Facts. So, Drake's team legal team was requesting access to
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  Speaker 1: certain documents and things as far as Kendrick Lamar goes
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  Speaker 1: for the ongoing, pending possible lawsuit. More so, they're just
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  Speaker 1: in the evidence gathering process right now. So what they're
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  Speaker 1: looking to see, well, let me just read it from here.
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  Speaker 1: According to a court filing, Drake's team is seeking documents
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  Speaker 1: including all contracts between UMG and Kendrick Lamar and the
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  Speaker 1: salaries and incentive plans for senior record label staff going
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  Speaker 1: back to twenty twenty. So basically, he wants to see
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  Speaker 1: the paperwork from the root of everything going on.
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  Speaker 2: He wants the receipts.
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  Speaker 1: So something that I keep thinking about with this situation
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  Speaker 1: is something that Charlemagne has been bringing up on the
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  Speaker 1: Breakfast Club. And because I've been thinking the same way
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  Speaker 1: and Charlemagne's keeps bringing it up too, is he wonders
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  Speaker 1: what's Drake's endgame with this? Because Drake has used those
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  Speaker 1: same playlists and bots and paid for streams and all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff. Like, this is something that goes on in
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  Speaker 1: the industry all the time. So it's like when you're like,
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  Speaker 1: when you're bringing this up and this is becoming a topic,
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  Speaker 1: what is your goal here, because I mean Discovery is
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  Speaker 1: going to show you know, everybody's doing it basically, like,
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  Speaker 1: is this leading to some kind of like music industry
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  Speaker 1: reset type thing? Is he just looking to get paid
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  Speaker 1: because you know, something you stumbled upon that you.
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  Speaker 2: Sent was that a settlement? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that thing that's going around I think on Instagram
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  Speaker 1: some guys saying that they're kind of in the works
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  Speaker 1: of trying to offer Drake a settlement in the range
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  Speaker 1: of like two hundred and fifty MILI, which is like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: that will make what won't make sense as an endgame.
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  Speaker 3: What are settlements known for though? Yeah, in any core case,
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  Speaker 3: especially at high level you know, at this kind of
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  Speaker 3: spotlight court cases, settlements are known for not exposing the
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  Speaker 3: real truth and not taking any more damage than you
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  Speaker 3: would have took if this thing goes to court. So
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  Speaker 3: if UMG is offering a settlement, that means there's some
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  Speaker 3: kind of guilty party or some kind of facts related
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  Speaker 3: to the whole subject.
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  Speaker 2: That might be true.
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  Speaker 3: So regardless, I see what you say about Drake's endgame,
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  Speaker 3: it might be exposed, but it's exposing the same label
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  Speaker 3: that pays him, but exposing the fact that the music
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  Speaker 3: industry does things and promotes are and puts him in
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  Speaker 3: the shine if they give them something back. So for him,
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  Speaker 3: and I said this a couple parts ago, he didn't
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  Speaker 3: want to succumb to all the things that they wanted
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  Speaker 3: him to do, and they got mad at that.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't like that. They want you.
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  Speaker 3: They want to control the artists, control the narrative and
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  Speaker 3: make sure they follow their guidelines of everything they do.
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  Speaker 3: So UMG is going to be exposed about something. And
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  Speaker 3: that's why I feel they're offering that settlement.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely something where if there is a settlement
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  Speaker 1: that's coming and that ends up being the case. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: anytime you think settlement, you think a mission of guilt.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And Bro two hundred and
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  Speaker 1: fifty million, if that's something that really happens, Doug, I
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  Speaker 1: mean that's a quarter of a billion dollars. That's a
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  Speaker 1: nice way to settle something that you feel like impacted
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  Speaker 1: your bottom line.
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  Speaker 2: Bro, I don't feel like he even needs that money.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, but if he honestly feels like it impacted
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  Speaker 1: his bottom line and it ruined his brand to that degree,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, that's that's the route
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  Speaker 1: he went.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: I mean it. It's definitely something to think about, Like,
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  Speaker 1: will we see a kind of adjustment with how stuff
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  Speaker 1: happens with music, which we've already been seeing honestly, Bro, Like,
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  Speaker 1: if you haven't noticed, like numbers have been down a
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  Speaker 1: loud across music this year, you know, trending from last year.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think honestly that it's a decline in
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  Speaker 1: people listening to music or or artists falling off or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I just think it's less spots and less control, less
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  Speaker 1: less of the top of the industry controlling everything, and
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  Speaker 1: more of just letting the chips forward they may you
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, Bro, these new apps like
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  Speaker 1: Threads and TikTok and stuff like that, they've really shined
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  Speaker 1: a light on how formulated all this popularity is for
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  Speaker 1: these people. Because there's no you can't do that on Threads.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, you see people that on other platforms
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  Speaker 1: they got five million followers x amount of views and
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  Speaker 1: likes on their stuff. They get on Threads and it's
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  Speaker 1: death for them there they getting thirty likes and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, bro, when you don't got people actively
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  Speaker 1: buying you likes and shares and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: You're not gonna get the same.
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  Speaker 1: I'm way different bro as usually get.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I agree with one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why I like that Threads has come out
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  Speaker 3: because it's not like Twitter. Twitter was the same way
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  Speaker 3: and Threads is the opposite Twitter, and everybody came to
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  Speaker 3: Threads and like, why am I not getting followers like
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  Speaker 3: I used to?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yep, because it ain't bout it.
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  Speaker 2: It ain't. That's exactly what's happening now.
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  Speaker 1: But Yo, another thing that people have been talking about
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  Speaker 1: as far as music goes that top twenty five female
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  Speaker 1: rapper lists of all time. The ain't mad about that.
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  Speaker 1: It was a staff list from Billboard, their picks that
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  Speaker 1: they compile the list, right, So I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: go down the whole list. I'm just really gonna I'll
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  Speaker 1: probably put it in the video. But I'm really gonna
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  Speaker 1: focus on the top ten honestly, and those ones that
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  Speaker 1: are kind of outside of the tea.
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  Speaker 2: They have a males rappers list, just no, they.
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  Speaker 1: Just dropped a random female rapper list. So going from
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  Speaker 1: ten to one. Top ten female rappers of all time
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  Speaker 1: according to the Billboard staff, you got ten Foxy Brown nine,
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  Speaker 1: Eve eight, Roxanne Chante seven, Salt and Pepper six mc
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  Speaker 1: like five, Queen Latifa four, Little Kim three, Lawrence Hill two,
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  Speaker 1: Missy Elliott number one, Nicki Minaj.
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  Speaker 2: Nicki Minch.
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  Speaker 1: So my first reaction to this list, bro is, I'm
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  Speaker 1: surprised Lawrence Hill is not number one, just off the
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  Speaker 1: fact that they're always glazing her on every list, like
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  Speaker 1: it's just NonStop.
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  Speaker 3: She's still doing festivals and shows and selling out, even
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  Speaker 3: though with her her punctuality she's always late. It's well
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  Speaker 3: known that she's.
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  Speaker 1: Gotten more out of one album than Lauryn Hill. Bro nobody,
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  Speaker 1: bro like, honestly like nobody who has gotten and still
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  Speaker 1: and it's still relevant in today's music because she's selling
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  Speaker 1: out every show she's at.
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  Speaker 3: Still the feature everybody who still wants Lauren Hill there
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  Speaker 3: off the same Miseducational Lauryn Hill album that she dropped over.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, bro, the only person I could even think of
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  Speaker 1: that's not even close in popularity is DiAngelo because he's
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  Speaker 1: mainly known for that one album, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: even though he dropped more music.
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  Speaker 3: But he's not still doing tours and festivals and you know,
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  Speaker 3: doing these performances.
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  Speaker 1: I think of somebody that's ate oh hm, well, numbers wise,
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  Speaker 1: maybe Cardi B. She got that one album. She hasn't
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  Speaker 1: dropped another one yet. She says she's coming out with
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  Speaker 1: and supposedly she said that it's better than the first
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  Speaker 1: Benevation we ever see. But yeah, man, I think.
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  Speaker 2: But look at that Alonge.
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  Speaker 3: We got the Apple Music Explorer page on right now
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  Speaker 3: two thousand and two.
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  Speaker 1: Whose pictures at mister Elliott?
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, how are you putting
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  Speaker 3: Nicki Minaj Missy Elliott in two thousand and two, over
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  Speaker 3: twenty years ago, and she's still one of them within
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  Speaker 3: the top five selections of these playlists here. That's crazy
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  Speaker 3: to me, Like Missy Elliott as far as production, I.
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  Speaker 1: Think the thing with Nicki is kind of like the
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  Speaker 1: same thing that happens with Drake, Like they got so
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  Speaker 1: many modern records, like actual records of like you know,
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  Speaker 1: number ones and most streamed and most time on the top.
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  Speaker 1: This is like they have so many accolades with this
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  Speaker 1: new era that it's like impossible not to put them
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  Speaker 1: on these lists and put them at the top of
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  Speaker 1: these lists.
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  Speaker 2: And not only think, what's the title of that list.
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  Speaker 1: Called best female rapper of all?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, did Nicki Minaj rap her entire career?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she has a couple. She has a couple of
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  Speaker 1: songs that got a little singing in it.
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  Speaker 2: But no, I don't think she had a pop a
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  Speaker 2: little pop trend for a while.
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  Speaker 1: She did have a little pop trim. She was always rapping.
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  Speaker 1: It was wacky. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. But
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  Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. It wasn't like it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: like you was listening to it like ooh bars.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like Missy had a little R and B, Lauren
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  Speaker 2: had the R and B. But they always rap. They
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  Speaker 2: were always rapping.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not taking anything away from Nikki because she
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  Speaker 3: she spits bars Like I say, that Monster track and
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  Speaker 3: the Kanye.
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  Speaker 1: Album definitely takes leap the female music in a direction
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  Speaker 1: where you alienate a certain amount of fans, as opposed
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  Speaker 1: to like Missy Laurence Hill, like you can play those
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  Speaker 1: songs anywhere and everybody's gonna.
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  Speaker 2: Go, and you don't work it on anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: In the same with Little Kim, Like Little Kim has
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  Speaker 1: some bangers and she's she's goaded, of course, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: not listening to Little Kim. She talked about real, real
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  Speaker 1: sexual stuff from the female point of view. Bro, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not you know what I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Saying, Like like Foxy Brown, though I don't think she
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  Speaker 3: should have been ten. Foxy Brown was ten.
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  Speaker 1: Foxy Brown is a the one that's like I would
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  Speaker 1: put living like a glory that I don't even know
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  Speaker 1: what the glory is, because yeah, she was a great rapper,
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  Speaker 1: but like I can't even really think of five Foxy
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  Speaker 1: Brown songs, like three even you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Like it's just exactly aside from verses on random songs like.
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  Speaker 3: But I will say and not to be sexist, Foxy
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  Speaker 3: Brown was the closest to a male rapper out of
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  Speaker 3: anybody in that list, I believe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was probably like the most like pure spitter
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  Speaker 1: where you're actually like vibing with what she was saying
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  Speaker 1: type thing like as far as like if you're just
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  Speaker 1: like a New York hip hop head or somebody that's
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  Speaker 1: just listening to the lyrical rap and I love Eve.
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  Speaker 2: I think Eve was a great rapper too, but I
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  Speaker 2: think she was a better song maker than a rapper.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, Honestly, like me looking at this list, just
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  Speaker 1: kind of pulling names from the list. My my list
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  Speaker 1: would be probably like Lauryn Hill, Miss Elliot, Queen Latifa
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  Speaker 1: because she rotted in there. I see Money Love is
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  Speaker 1: pretty low on this list. I will put her higher
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  Speaker 1: just because, like as far as the rapper goes, like
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  Speaker 1: if you listen to her her music, like she was
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  Speaker 1: part of that Native Tongue Screw, She was part of
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  Speaker 1: that like trip called quest era, Jungle Brothers, Queen Latifa,
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  Speaker 1: like she came from that time and she was actually
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  Speaker 1: spitting bro Like I feel like somebody that don't get
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  Speaker 1: there just do is Queen Latifa, because like she came
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  Speaker 1: up in that era where like the music kind of
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  Speaker 1: doesn't hold up now. But if you listen to her
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  Speaker 1: music and the way she was spinning back in the day,
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  Speaker 1: and like I said, with Money Love too like they.
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  Speaker 3: Was, and she had that that that quick spitting like
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  Speaker 3: like jay Z had when he yeah yeah, but I
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  Speaker 3: will put him see like up there because she was there.
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  Speaker 3: She had the original hip hop sound with yeah classic
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  Speaker 3: when hip hop was founded in that class.
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  Speaker 1: Is like just yeah, she's right around the rock sane chante.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying right that that is the original
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  Speaker 3: hip hop sound. I think she had that sound that
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  Speaker 3: fit in within the genre of hip hop at that time.
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  Speaker 2: I think she should be all right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this though, man, for some reason
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  Speaker 1: with me Bro and you know, to be transparent as well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of female rappers period, so
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of this stuff don't move me like that.
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  Speaker 1: Aside from like I said, Queen Latifa, you know, she
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  Speaker 1: was always she always has some dope stuff Mony Love.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they got a collab called Ladies First. That's
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  Speaker 1: a dope joint. I like that song a lot, like legit,
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm not even joking. I have that in my
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  Speaker 1: playlist and I'd be rocking to that like they spitting
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  Speaker 1: on that song. But for me, Bro number one on
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  Speaker 1: this list, like with honestly, like not even like No,
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  Speaker 1: A clear second would be like Queen Latifa Mony Love
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  Speaker 1: like damn in that range. You know the other ones
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned Missy Elliott, Laurren Hill. But Bro my number one,
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  Speaker 1: honestly dog number one female rapper for me, Left Eye Bro.
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  Speaker 3: I was getting it. Bro was get to get I
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  Speaker 3: was gonna ask you, where is left eye on that list?
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  Speaker 1: Dog? Left eye on this list is number fourteen?
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  Speaker 2: What's remy Ma?
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  Speaker 1: Remy Ma is number eighteen this list Billboard? The staff
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  Speaker 1: just the staff picks.
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  Speaker 2: But like I said, Bro, like Joe Budden run up
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  Speaker 2: in there, like who made this work?
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  Speaker 1: For me? Number one clearly is left Eye Bro. Her
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  Speaker 1: Like when you listen to her verses, bro like the
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  Speaker 1: way that she's spitting and the lyrics of the like
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  Speaker 1: to me, she was just dope. Like to me, she
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  Speaker 1: was just dope period. I didn't listen to her, was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh this is a female rapper. I'm like, this is
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  Speaker 1: just music. She is she flowing bro Like, Left Eye
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  Speaker 1: for me is top top of the list, man. But insummation,
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  Speaker 1: to me, this list is booty doo. Yeah, this shit
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  Speaker 1: is asshole.
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  Speaker 2: Got to do better.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, this this list by Billboard, ain't it I
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  Speaker 1: feel like you gotta segment these lists, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Like you can't just make a big list eighties, nineties,
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  Speaker 1: two thousand.
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  Speaker 2: You can't overall the ladies.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think it's a Ladies' Night track with
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  Speaker 3: like Angie Martinez and who she had on there, and like, look,
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  Speaker 3: she had Little Kim on there, she had left on there.
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  Speaker 2: I think she had MISSI on there. Who else she
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  Speaker 2: had on Ladies Night? I think that.
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  Speaker 1: I think that was all I think it was for that.
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  Speaker 3: Was yeah, And like I'm saying, like though, for her
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  Speaker 3: to put a track together like that, that shows the
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  Speaker 3: prominent body of hip hop spitting and that list needs
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  Speaker 3: to get reorganized. I'm just say that, Billboard, I'm disappointed
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  Speaker 3: in y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, maybe we should put together our own list
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  Speaker 1: for one of these shows. Man, we should do We
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  Speaker 1: should do like a like a quarterly list episode where
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  Speaker 1: we're just dropping lists, exploring different things, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. Passsssssssssssssssssssss