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- 0:05Speaker 1: Welcome back to the District Territory Podcast and Happy Saturday
- 0:09Speaker 1: to all of our listeners. I'm Eric Shellhouse from the
- 0:11Speaker 1: Bat Boys. Joining me Spencer Nusbaum of The Athletic. The
- 0:15Speaker 1: Nationals couldn't get the job done last night, but they
- 0:17Speaker 1: got two more against the Dbaks later on today. Let's
- 0:20Speaker 1: open up with Spencer's story from The Athletic earlier today, Spencer,
- 0:26Speaker 1: some evaluators are saying that the Nationals will be sellers.
- 0:29Speaker 1: That don't at the deadline. Some are saying we'll be buyers.
- 0:33Speaker 1: Walk me through it and what you had this morning?
- 0:35Speaker 2: Yeah, so obviously I've been kind of canvassing the league
- 0:38Speaker 2: trying to figure out it's actor what the Nationals will do.
- 0:41Speaker 2: The overwhelming sentiment from deep by doctor around the league
- 0:44Speaker 2: is they kind of expected the Nationals to be sellers,
- 0:48Speaker 2: or at least to sell off some pieces of the deadline.
- 0:53Speaker 2: That all is expected given where the Nationals are at
- 0:56Speaker 2: in their competitive window. What are more and I heard
- 1:01Speaker 2: on good grounds yesterday was that the Nationals planned to
- 1:05Speaker 2: buy at least a little bit but the deadline, which
- 1:08Speaker 2: again is something we can talk about throughout the course
- 1:10Speaker 2: of this episode. But before we get into the specifics
- 1:14Speaker 2: of who that could be or how much they'll buy
- 1:17Speaker 2: or anything like that, which are all good questions we'll
- 1:20Speaker 2: get to. I just think it's a really notable development
- 1:23Speaker 2: that this team has put itself in a position where
- 1:26Speaker 2: they were supposed to be taking the long term view
- 1:29Speaker 2: and still are, but they were also supposed to be terrible,
- 1:31Speaker 2: right and they have put themselves in a position where
- 1:34Speaker 2: they're good enough where they're going to at least buy
- 1:36Speaker 2: a little bit. And I think that is huge and
- 1:40Speaker 2: a testament to what the clubhouse and the players have
- 1:44Speaker 2: done this season.
- 1:45Speaker 1: Yeah, if you look at this team's record month by month,
- 1:49Speaker 1: it's not twenty nineteen nineteen and thirty one horrendous start.
- 1:53Speaker 1: But this wasn't a blazing start. It's not like this
- 1:56Speaker 1: was jumping off of you on paper. Is like all
- 2:00Speaker 1: the rebuild is thriving. But here we are sitting at
- 2:03Speaker 1: the end of the July as the deadline approaches in
- 2:05Speaker 1: the Nationals are in serious contention. Here, I'm going to
- 2:09Speaker 1: bring up the NL standings and then the National League
- 2:12Speaker 1: wildcard standings. The Marlins have just fallen off the face
- 2:16Speaker 1: of the earth ten losses in a row, which has
- 2:18Speaker 1: allowed the Nationals to kind of remain in it here
- 2:21Speaker 1: is that's one of the teams they're jugging with the
- 2:23Speaker 1: loss of the Diamondbacks a big one last night as
- 2:26Speaker 1: they're chasing them for that final wildcard spot. Long Phillies
- 2:29Speaker 1: right now. But it's remarkable, as you mentioned, Spencer, that
- 2:33Speaker 1: the Nationals have found themselves in the first season here,
- 2:36Speaker 1: and it's a testament not just to the players but
- 2:39Speaker 1: also the new regime that has come in here and
- 2:41Speaker 1: brought in this new era of Nationals baseball.
- 2:45Speaker 2: Absolutely right, Like you know, I have to credit the
- 2:48Speaker 2: players first foremost because they are ones like throwing the ball,
- 2:52Speaker 2: hitting the ball, all those things. But yeah, I mean,
- 2:55Speaker 2: this doesn't happen without a serious regime change, right where
- 3:00Speaker 2: have as we've talked about many times, new technology, clearer approaches,
- 3:05Speaker 2: more data, more refinement, all you know, a clear alignment
- 3:11Speaker 2: from the you know, Dominican up through the major leagues.
- 3:16Speaker 2: Right You're you're having the same messages breached everywhere. All
- 3:20Speaker 2: these things have created a system and an environment where
- 3:24Speaker 2: the Nationals are kind of built to thrive. And it's
- 3:28Speaker 2: it's been so encouraging to see given where this team
- 3:32Speaker 2: was at, you know, at this this same point last year,
- 3:35Speaker 2: or maybe I should even say thirteen months ago, given
- 3:39Speaker 2: that there was an interim general manager in Mike de Barlow,
- 3:43Speaker 2: who kind of set some of these wheels in motion.
- 3:45Speaker 2: So yeah, I think really really encouraging stuff, and yeah
- 3:50Speaker 2: we can we can get into the nitty gritty whenever.
- 3:54Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to jump into that last episode. We
- 3:57Speaker 1: talked about Luis Garcia Junior a lot. He's definitely a
- 4:00Speaker 1: fan favorite here in Washington, but I know a lot
- 4:03Speaker 1: of small market teams probably go through this frequently at
- 4:05Speaker 1: the deadline, not to say Washington's a small market sports city,
- 4:09Speaker 1: but you know these top names C J. Abrams and
- 4:12Speaker 1: Foster Griffin. That's two of the NAT's three all stars.
- 4:14Speaker 1: You can't think there's a universe where they're moving James Wood.
- 4:18Speaker 1: But to have them in Luis Garcia Junior being the
- 4:21Speaker 1: three names that jump off on paper to me that
- 4:24Speaker 1: that's frustrating to hear that those are kind of the
- 4:28Speaker 1: top names. But if you look at the other twenty
- 4:31Speaker 1: nine teams, if you gotta think where with I guess
- 4:33Speaker 1: a sense of respect baby and say, hey they want
- 4:36Speaker 1: these guys on their.
- 4:37Speaker 2: Team, right, And that's the big part too, right, is
- 4:42Speaker 2: if the Nationals buy, it will come with some selling.
- 4:46Speaker 2: I think that's effectively inevitable at this point. The degree
- 4:51Speaker 2: to which they sell is uncertain. As you reported at
- 4:55Speaker 2: the Athletic, all three of those guys we've named could
- 4:58Speaker 2: still be Nationals on August fourth. Which of those three
- 5:04Speaker 2: will be again still kind of parsing that out. But
- 5:08Speaker 2: the reason that these guys are in these trade talks
- 5:10Speaker 2: is because other teams value them so highly where there
- 5:13Speaker 2: isn't a lot of infield power help on the market,
- 5:17Speaker 2: and Garcia fits that mold perfectly and is turning himself
- 5:22Speaker 2: into one of the premiere bats, frankly in all of baseball. CJ.
- 5:28Speaker 2: I think is his kind of case speaks for itself.
- 5:31Speaker 2: I don't need to get into all that, but there
- 5:35Speaker 2: is a real case for moving him if he's world
- 5:40Speaker 2: is lengthened by the potential of what you get back there.
- 5:45Speaker 2: And with Foster, I mean, he's an expiring contract at
- 5:48Speaker 2: the end of this year, and so while there are
- 5:49Speaker 2: levers they can pull in terms of an extension or
- 5:53Speaker 2: extending the qualifying offer or just things of that nature, right,
- 5:59Speaker 2: or resigning him and free agency, it'd be really tough
- 6:03Speaker 2: to let him go and not get anything better, And
- 6:06Speaker 2: I think that's something the team has toway when they know, hey,
- 6:10Speaker 2: maybe we can keep our postseason window open this season,
- 6:13Speaker 2: but our World Series window is ultimately what matters. And
- 6:17Speaker 2: Yeah's that they're not winning a World Series this year.
- 6:20Speaker 2: I think that's pretty fair to say, and so that'll
- 6:23Speaker 2: factor in as well, I believe.
- 6:25Speaker 1: Yeah, and Abrams is a guy that I think his
- 6:28Speaker 1: name pops up every deadline because you've seen that the
- 6:31Speaker 1: raw potential is there and now over the stretch of
- 6:34Speaker 1: the entire season just terrific, and he keeps it going
- 6:38Speaker 1: into the second half this year. He is such an
- 6:40Speaker 1: interesting one to me that is clearly now a proven
- 6:43Speaker 1: part of hopefully future World Series pushes. Maybe it's not
- 6:47Speaker 1: this season, but hey, maybe he's a part of a
- 6:49Speaker 1: Pennant push this season and the World Series next season.
- 6:53Speaker 1: Is there any potential this season before we get into
- 6:57Speaker 1: the offseason that there's an extension for him or talks
- 7:01Speaker 1: to make him a national for a longer period of time, Spencer.
- 7:05Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I don't really want to get into that
- 7:08Speaker 2: without having all the reporting short up what I would
- 7:12Speaker 2: tell fans, and I will have something up on this
- 7:14Speaker 2: in the next coming day, So I feel comfortable saying it.
- 7:18Speaker 2: Part of the reason why it feels so unlikely, and
- 7:20Speaker 2: that is not me directly saying it is unlikely. What
- 7:24Speaker 2: feels unlikely is just I mean, there's so much working
- 7:28Speaker 2: against it. Right where you look at you know his value,
- 7:33Speaker 2: what he could make in free agency, right he'd be
- 7:35Speaker 2: a twenty eight year old shortstop. He'd basically be him,
- 7:40Speaker 2: Gunner Henderson, and maybe one other guy on the market
- 7:43Speaker 2: as a premiere guy. If your premier short stop like
- 7:47Speaker 2: that number is not small that it starts with, and
- 7:50Speaker 2: it's especially not small when you have, you know, ten
- 7:53Speaker 2: teams negotiating against each other for your services. I think
- 7:58Speaker 2: the other case that makes it at least something that
- 8:01Speaker 2: Washington could have a little trouble stomaching is how much
- 8:05Speaker 2: internal strength they have at the position, which, again, like
- 8:08Speaker 2: those are mystery boxes and cg Abrams is much less
- 8:12Speaker 2: of a mystery box. We kind of know what he
- 8:14Speaker 2: is at this point, and we know how much he's
- 8:16Speaker 2: grown every season. But when you have Eli Willets, when
- 8:19Speaker 2: you have sever king you have I could list seven
- 8:22Speaker 2: other infielders in the system, It's different than if you're
- 8:26Speaker 2: giving an extension to a picture where you say, hey,
- 8:28Speaker 2: we're really weak at the spot and we're at least
- 8:33Speaker 2: in the minor leagues trending in the right direction, but
- 8:36Speaker 2: nowhere near that sort of death that they have in
- 8:38Speaker 2: the infield. So those are at least two things I'm
- 8:41Speaker 2: considering as I try to figure this out. But I
- 8:44Speaker 2: think it's still kind of TVD as to whether an
- 8:47Speaker 2: extension is a real possibility or not.
- 8:51Speaker 1: We'll jump into some more of that next week. Really
- 8:54Speaker 1: quickly bring up the NAT's upcoming schedule for you. They
- 8:57Speaker 1: have the Diamondbacks two more and then the Blue Jays
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- 10:15Speaker 1: were over at the ballpark last night the Nats. This
- 10:18Speaker 1: was an interesting game. It was a clean ball game.
- 10:20Speaker 1: The Nats trailed early. The Diamondbacks scrapped together two runs
- 10:24Speaker 1: in the second inning, but Dylan Cruz had an answer
- 10:26Speaker 1: for that. He tied it up two to two in
- 10:28Speaker 1: the bottom of the fourth with this roaring home run,
- 10:30Speaker 1: And over the last six games, Dylan has been on
- 10:33Speaker 1: a cruising streak six for twenty two home runs, five RBIs,
- 10:37Speaker 1: four walks. I just want to take a moment to
- 10:39Speaker 1: give him his flowers because it has been such a
- 10:42Speaker 1: drastic turnaround. Where you look at Harry started the season
- 10:46Speaker 1: at Triple A to where he's been at the last
- 10:48Speaker 1: couple of weeks, and then I think, you know, we've
- 10:51Speaker 1: been seeing this Nats fans on the just underneath the
- 10:54Speaker 1: surface for the last month or so here and to
- 10:57Speaker 1: see the results on pay for the last couple of weeks,
- 11:00Speaker 1: I'm so happy for Dylan.
- 11:02Speaker 2: Yeah. We talked to Dylan after yesterday's game and kind
- 11:06Speaker 2: of such a lot of these topics. One of the
- 11:08Speaker 2: most important things to me is him getting comfortable and
- 11:12Speaker 2: relax in the box. We often use that phreezing with CJ.
- 11:15Speaker 2: Abrams as well, and I think it's apt. He looks
- 11:18Speaker 2: especially comfortable against lefties right now where I think the
- 11:21Speaker 2: ops at the start of yesterday it was the nine hundred,
- 11:24Speaker 2: It might be higher now, but yeah, he's so comfortable
- 11:29Speaker 2: and locked in against lefties, and I think a lot
- 11:30Speaker 2: of that production has been against left handed pitching. The
- 11:34Speaker 2: next step for him is clearly getting that relaxed and
- 11:36Speaker 2: comfortable against right e's as well. That is who he
- 11:42Speaker 2: will need to have at least some kind of baseline
- 11:44Speaker 2: level of success to really like whatever he's he's having
- 11:49Speaker 2: a productive season, to really blossom as like a guy
- 11:53Speaker 2: that is going to take better results against right handed pitching,
- 11:57Speaker 2: something he has acknowledged himself, but I think that we
- 12:01Speaker 2: have and given where the swing was at in spring training,
- 12:07Speaker 2: right it was enough for the Nationalists to send him
- 12:08Speaker 2: down something they did not really want to do. Something obviously,
- 12:13Speaker 2: if you're a big leaguer you don't want to do
- 12:15Speaker 2: right is go down to But he took that assignment well.
- 12:18Speaker 2: And yeah, he's clearly looked agains left handed pitching specifically,
- 12:24Speaker 2: but I still worry about some of the at bats
- 12:26Speaker 2: as righties. But this is definitely a positive step in
- 12:30Speaker 2: something that he could hold on to and say, hey,
- 12:32Speaker 2: I can off of this.
- 12:35Speaker 1: Unfortunately, after that there wasn't much offense for the Nationals.
- 12:38Speaker 1: But this is what the box scores looked like in
- 12:41Speaker 1: many games this season. Blake Peterra used all of his resources,
- 12:45Speaker 1: everything that he could, pulled out all the stops, and
- 12:47Speaker 1: the top of the seventh inning, Gabby Moreno was able
- 12:50Speaker 1: to bring home a run on a sacrifice fly made
- 12:53Speaker 1: it three to two. Paul Seawall blocked down the saves. So,
- 12:56Speaker 1: you know, kudos to the d Backs pitching, but if
- 12:58Speaker 1: you look at the Nats pitching score, it's not anything
- 13:02Speaker 1: to cry over. Three runs will usually win you a ballgame.
- 13:05Speaker 1: And for Zach Lttel, I think this is a pretty good,
- 13:09Speaker 1: pretty positive outing collapse for that against this Diamondbacks lineup,
- 13:14Speaker 1: given what he has been this season.
- 13:17Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of focus for Lttel, and I'd
- 13:22Speaker 2: say the Nationals at large is leaning into what makes
- 13:25Speaker 2: him special and what their best pitch is. You saw
- 13:28Speaker 2: him use his slider, excuse me, his splitter about thirty
- 13:31Speaker 2: six percent at the time yesterday. That is his best pitch.
- 13:35Speaker 2: That is something where he has gotten away from that
- 13:37Speaker 2: at times this season. I think you will see even
- 13:40Speaker 2: more emphasis on that pitch, and you will see even
- 13:44Speaker 2: more emphasis on everyone's best pitch down the stretch as
- 13:47Speaker 2: the Nationals try to figure this out. I think they
- 13:49Speaker 2: are trying to lean even harder into that strategy, and
- 13:53Speaker 2: they were already leaning pretty hard into it at the start,
- 13:55Speaker 2: so aison wouldn't be shosted. If we see Lttel's like
- 14:00Speaker 2: get up over forty percent, it could really help given
- 14:05Speaker 2: what the result in the season.
- 14:08Speaker 1: Let's get back to the trade front. Anything wants to
- 14:11Speaker 1: talk or hear about. If there's one thing the Nets
- 14:15Speaker 1: may need in addition to the relief pitching, it's the
- 14:17Speaker 1: starting pitching. In my eyes, Spencer, the offense is clearly
- 14:21Speaker 1: clicking on all cylinders on any given night, it seems like.
- 14:25Speaker 1: But are the names popping up to you that have
- 14:28Speaker 1: stuck out? I read earlier today that the Angels may
- 14:31Speaker 1: be expected to sell a little harder than they have
- 14:33Speaker 1: at previous deadlines. They're not notorious for being aggressive buyers
- 14:38Speaker 1: or sellers. But Jose Storiano is a name that comes
- 14:42Speaker 1: to mind to me as far as a guy that
- 14:44Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, that the results have been there eight
- 14:47Speaker 1: and six this season with the three four three a
- 14:49Speaker 1: career three seven seven, that's a guy that I'd love
- 14:53Speaker 1: for the Nets. Ad to the rotation. But are there
- 14:55Speaker 1: any starting pitchers that you see that would be noteworthy additions.
- 15:01Speaker 2: Well, I think Sorian is an interesting name, right. Where
- 15:04Speaker 2: are the Nationals frontrunners for him? Absolutely not. Again, as
- 15:07Speaker 2: we talked about last episode, there are so many teams
- 15:11Speaker 2: that are more motivated to buy than the Nationals are,
- 15:15Speaker 2: which is candidly why you don't probably see them coming
- 15:18Speaker 2: from this deadline with a true postseason type arm. But
- 15:24Speaker 2: there are absolutely names out there, and this is this
- 15:26Speaker 2: is also something I wanted to talk about right where
- 15:29Speaker 2: you look at guys on expiring contracts and you think,
- 15:33Speaker 2: why would the Nationals go after them this season? But
- 15:37Speaker 2: I was told yesterday like that going to be in
- 15:40Speaker 2: their calculus. They understand that their postseason are not zero.
- 15:47Speaker 2: And if there is a way to build some sort
- 15:49Speaker 2: of momentum where you're giving yourself still a decent shot
- 15:52Speaker 2: to make the postseason this year or at least have
- 15:54Speaker 2: a good stretch run, there's real value. While I'm still
- 15:59Speaker 2: exploring who specific actually be, and a lot of that
- 16:03Speaker 2: would be floated more than like, oh, so and so
- 16:06Speaker 2: is definitely a Washington National. I think it's really interesting
- 16:10Speaker 2: that the window of who they could acquire is far
- 16:16Speaker 2: far wider open than I candidly would have guessed, you know,
- 16:21Speaker 2: seventy two hours ago, right, because all of a sudden
- 16:24Speaker 2: we'll afflect Iron contracts. I'm not saying they are definitely
- 16:28Speaker 2: going to get an next Barron contract. They still could
- 16:30Speaker 2: get a controllable guy. But if you're a nasman and
- 16:33Speaker 2: you're looking out there like congratch, you just got another
- 16:36Speaker 2: hour research because you can you can basically look anywhere
- 16:39Speaker 2: on the market and say, hey, if this guy you
- 16:42Speaker 2: know can do anything on the mounds, can he fit
- 16:45Speaker 2: on the Nationals? And I think that's pretty exciting.
- 16:48Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's exciting. It just is a lot more
- 16:52Speaker 1: active than it has been at previous deadlines for the Nationals.
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- 18:59Speaker 1: Let's give you a look at Saturday's pitching preview. Mitch
- 19:02Speaker 1: Bratt a young left handed arm against an older left
- 19:05Speaker 1: handed arm that has been quite reliable. It's Fosterfest for
- 19:08Speaker 1: the Nationals later today. Due to his nails last time
- 19:11Speaker 1: against a poppin' athletics lineup. I'm trying to search for war,
- 19:16Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna go with Boppin' Spencer. What's gonna
- 19:18Speaker 1: be key for him today against the d Backs to
- 19:21Speaker 1: keep on rolling as he has been.
- 19:26Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's it's hard for me to say
- 19:28Speaker 2: anything we haven't already heard because he has done this
- 19:31Speaker 2: eight starts in a row where he's put up one
- 19:33Speaker 2: or a few earned allowed earned runs against. It's it's
- 19:40Speaker 2: just remarkable, you know. Last time out, it was it
- 19:44Speaker 2: was kind of funny as you put that up on
- 19:45Speaker 2: the screen right where it's it's one round, it's two strikeouts.
- 19:47Speaker 2: We've seen more swing and mess from him than that.
- 19:51Speaker 2: But no matter what the lineup is, he seems to
- 19:53Speaker 2: know which pockets he needs to avoid and which ones
- 19:55Speaker 2: he needs to really go after. This Timebacks lineup is
- 19:59Speaker 2: is really taught to and so I think when you
- 20:03Speaker 2: try to factor in, hey we're into trouble, it is
- 20:06Speaker 2: the fact that you go march A to Carol. There's
- 20:10Speaker 2: there's not like a week spot there, per say. But
- 20:15Speaker 2: if he can handle the top of that lineup, I
- 20:17Speaker 2: strongly believe he could do this for a ninth straight time,
- 20:20Speaker 2: which is maybe an unfair expectation to set, but something
- 20:23Speaker 2: that will be really enticing for fans to watch today.
- 20:28Speaker 1: Definitely, And as we mentioned before, as you all should know,
- 20:32Speaker 1: Nats fans, this is a big one. They are chasing
- 20:34Speaker 1: the d back. So if you're over at the ballpark
- 20:36Speaker 1: later today or tomorrow, whenever the ballpark makes some noise,
- 20:40Speaker 1: the boys need your support. Spencer, you're gonna be headed
- 20:43Speaker 1: over there soon. But anything you want to toss him
- 20:45Speaker 1: before we head out.
- 20:48Speaker 2: No, I think that's it. Just I'd recommend reading that
- 20:51Speaker 2: story we talked about over at the Athletic and we
- 20:53Speaker 2: might have something else interesting for you guys at some
- 20:56Speaker 2: point today or tomorrow. That yeah, I just I Reckomon
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