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- Lucas: So there's this story from a couple years ago about a sales rep at a mid-market SaaS company. I think the company does around 50 million in revenue. And this rep had a client — a regional logistics firm — that was about 90 days late on a 40-thousand-dollar invoice. Luna: That's the kind of thing that usually gets handed off to collections, right? Finance takes over, relationships get strained. Lucas: Exactly. Standard playbook: you escalate, you threaten to suspend the license, you call the CFO. And almost always the client feels badgered, the trust erodes, and the next renewal is a fight or a churn risk. But this rep did something different. Luna: What'd he do? Lucas: He called the client's VP of Operations — not the AP department — and said, 'I see the invoice is outstanding. I'm not calling to chase payment. I'm calling because I want to understand what's going on in your business that's making it hard to prioritize us right now.' Luna: That's a completely different frame. It's not 'you owe us money.' It's 'what's happening on your side?' Lucas: Right. And the VP opened up. Turns out they were in the middle of a major ERP migration. Their finance team was stretched thin, the invoice had fallen through a crack, and they were actually worried the software vendor would pull the plug and disrupt their operations. Luna: So the rep turned a 40-thousand-dollar problem into a service opportunity. Lucas: More than that. He asked a follow-up question: 'How can we make this easier for you while also protecting our side?' They agreed to a payment plan — 10 grand a month for four months — and then the rep said, 'You know, we're also working on a feature that might help with your ERP transition. Want to see a beta?' Luna: Oh, I see where this is going. He used the payment conversation to uncover a need. Lucas: He did. The VP said yes. The beta was a data-migration tool that the product team had been testing. The client loved it. And within 90 days, the client had not only paid off the arrears but signed a three-year renewal at a 15 percent higher price point. Total incremental revenue: one point eight million dollars. Luna: That's a seven-figure outcome from a 40-thousand-dollar problem. And the key move was not treating the late payment as a finance issue. Lucas: It's really a sales issue. The standard approach is to assume the client is either irresponsible or trying to stiff you. But most late payments in B2B are operational — not malicious. The ERP story is classic. And when you approach it with curiosity instead of accusation, you often find a bigger opportunity. Luna: There's some behavioral economics at play here too. The endowment effect, I think, works in reverse for the client — they already have the product, they're already using it, so they value it more than if they were evaluating it fresh. But they also fear losing it. Lucas: That's exactly right. The rep leaned into that endowment. He didn't threaten to take the product away. He offered to make it better. He made the client feel like a partner, not a debtor. And that emotional shift is what unlocked the renewal conversation. Luna: I want to walk through the actual conversation script, because I think a lot of salespeople freeze when they see a late payment. What's the first thing you'd say? Lucas: The opener has to signal that you're not in collections mode. So something like: 'Hey, I noticed invoice number 3342 is still open. I'm not calling to put pressure on you — I want to make sure everything's okay on your end. Is there something going on that's making it hard to get to this?' Luna: And then you listen. Don't fill the silence. Lucas: Exactly. The client will either give you a reason — budget, process, timing — or they'll get defensive. If they get defensive, you reiterate: 'I'm not here to collect. I'm here to help you figure out a solution that works for both of us.' And then you ask about their business priorities. Luna: What if the real reason is they're unhappy with the product? Lucas: Then you want to know that too. Because if they're unhappy, a late payment is a signal of churn risk. That's even more valuable than the payment itself. You can address the product issue, maybe even save the account. But if you just send the invoice to collections, you never learn that. Luna: So the late payment becomes a diagnostic tool. A prompt to have a real business conversation. Lucas: Exactly. And once you've had that conversation, you're in a position to propose something that actually helps. Maybe it's a payment plan. Maybe it's a feature request. Maybe it's a renewal conversation early. The rep in our story turned it into a three-year deal. Luna: Let's talk about the endowment effect specifically. How does that apply to the renewal? The client already had the product, so they were more likely to pay to keep it than to switch to something new. Lucas: Right. The classic study is the coffee mug experiment — once you own the mug, you value it higher than someone who doesn't. In enterprise SaaS, the client has invested time, training, data, integrations. The switching cost is enormous. So when your rep shows up as a collaborator, the client's natural inclination is to stay and expand. Luna: The rep basically used the late payment as a permission slip to talk about the future. Most salespeople wait until renewal time to have that conversation. By then, it's often too late. Lucas: Correct. The typical renewal cycle is: you send a proposal, the client shops around, you discount, you pray. But if you've already had a deep conversation about their business challenges mid-contract — sparked by a late payment — you're not starting from zero at renewal. You're just confirming what you already discussed. Luna: There's a counterintuitive lesson here. Most companies treat late payments as a failure — someone dropped the ball, someone's not paying attention. But what if you trained your sales team to see it as a trigger for a high-value conversation? Lucas: I think you'd see a significant increase in retention and upsell. The rep in this case got a 15 percent price increase. That's a lot more than the 40 grand they were worried about. And the client felt good about it because they got a new feature that solved a real problem. Luna: What about the operational side? How do you prevent finance from jumping in and spoiling the conversation? Lucas: That's a great question. The rep in our story had a good relationship with the finance team. They agreed to give the rep a 30-day window to engage the client before escalating. That's a policy worth adopting. Give sales the first crack at any late payment — a 'sales-first collections' approach. Luna: I've heard of companies that do this. They call it 'customer success collections' or 'partner recovery' or something. But it's rare. Lucas: It is rare. And it's a missed opportunity. Because every late payment is a signal. It's either a signal of disorganization, which you can help with, or a signal of dissatisfaction, which you need to fix. Either way, you want to be the one who hears it first. Luna: Let's talk about the specific numbers. One point eight million over three years. What was the original deal size? Lucas: The original contract was about 400 thousand annually. So the renewal increased it to 460 thousand — 15 percent. Plus they locked in for three years instead of one. That's a huge win for predictability. Luna: And it all started with a 40-thousand-dollar late payment. The ROI on having that conversation is massive. Lucas: If you think about it, the rep spent maybe two hours on the phone and sent a few emails. For a one-point-eight-million-dollar outcome. That's a 900-thousand dollar per hour return. Luna: That's absurdly good. But it's also a mindset shift. Most reps would have just forwarded the invoice to the AP contact and cc'd their manager. Lucas: Right. And that's the default because it's safe. But safe doesn't unlock growth. The reps who succeed are the ones who are willing to have the uncomfortable conversation — the one that starts with 'I'm not calling to collect.' Luna: I think the broader lesson is about how you frame every interaction. Even the ones that feel transactional or adversarial. There's always a chance to deepen the relationship. Lucas: If this episode was useful to you — if you're thinking about how you handle late payments differently now — the reason we can keep doing shows like this ad-free is listener support. You can find us at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. It's a small way to keep the conversations going. Luna: Yeah, and we really do read every note people leave there. It helps us figure out what topics to cover next. Lucas: Anyway, back to the late payment playbook. One thing I want to emphasize: don't wait for the renewal. Use any touchpoint — especially the awkward ones — to ask about the client's business goals. That's where the real value is. Luna: And if you don't have a 'sales-first' policy on late payments, maybe it's time to have that conversation with your finance team. Lucas: Great point. Because the next time a 40-thousand-dollar invoice goes 90 days past due, you could be one question away from a three-year renewal.