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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast
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  by night, all day. Thank you for being here. I
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  really appreciate it. No, it's my pleasure. And thank you
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  to Brett Weinstein, Jordan Peterson, and Elon Musk for helping
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  connect us.
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  Speaker 2: We are going to see Elon on Sunday, so he's
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  been an incredible support for us. So I don't know
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  how you want to play. I'm totally in your hands.
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  I'll follow your lead. But, I mean, he's been helping
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  us because Britain's in bad shape.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why you're here. And this is what
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  we're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the rape gang– we've done– we've crowdfunded this.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Which I'm very happy to talk to you about.
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  Speaker 1: Just this title of that rape gang report.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The idea that there's actual rape gangs in the UK
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  in 2026 and it's– Is it being ignored? Is it
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  being downplayed? Like, how is it being received by the
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  media and by the politicians over there?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the history of it is that basically, as you
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  probably know, Britain, after the war, decided they were going
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  to play a part in Europe, a bigger part in Europe,
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  what our elite did, the British elite. And to do that,
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  they had to basically diminish the power of the nation
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  state and they had to head towards this European super state,
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  which is the EU, the genesis of which was obviously
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  a monopoly.
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  Speaker 1: Why did they have to diminish the power of the
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  nation to do that?
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  Speaker 2: Because I think Britain was a proud nation state. With
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  the American help, we'd won the war, and we hadn't
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  been invaded or conquered, which most of Europe had been.
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  So you'd had mass dislocation in Europe. Huge numbers of
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  people had been dislocated and pushed all over Europe. And
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  I think the socialists, I was in the European Parliament,
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  so I spent a brief time as an MEP, a
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  member of the European Parliament, when we finally achieved, well,
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  a kind of Brexit. We can talk about that, but
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  it wasn't a proper Brexit. So I think the genesis
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  of the rape gangs, going back to this, was the
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  fact that multiculturalism was the order of the day. They
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  wanted open borders. They wanted a multicultural society. They basically
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  felt the nation state had been the cause of world wars,
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  effectively starting with Napoleon. Then obviously we had the Kaiser.
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  Then we had Hitler. And I think they saw it
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  that way, the Monets, the Spinellis, and the people who
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  constructed the European Union. So to the rape gang report,
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  which was your question, ultimately the genesis of that is
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  this multicultural movement. invasion almost of Europe.
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  Speaker 1: Can I pause you for a second? So what you
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  think is that the multicultural invasion, the way it was
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  set up was on purpose and it was on purpose
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  to sort of diminish the idea of nationalism?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: I think that– well, I'm– And so this was like
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  a long plan. So this was something that they must
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  have had to sit down and like who would be
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  involved in this sort of a discussion where you would
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  be willing to– diminish patriotism, diminish this idea that Britain
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  by itself is exceptional and the people are exceptional?
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  Speaker 2: It was a long, deceitful plan. So I always say
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  … Who implemented it? The European elites in league with
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  our elite who effectively, if you remember in 1975, we
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  joined what was called the European Economic Community. It wasn't
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  effectively anything other than an economic union. But that very
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  quickly changed and effectively they tried to politically integrate Europe.
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  That failed and then in 1997, they tried to force
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  it through with the introduction of the euro. So having
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  failed politically, they tried to do it financially. That was
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  my first foray into standing as a member of parliament
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  to fight to save the British pound because once you
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  lose your currency, effectively you lose your sovereignty and national identity.
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  And our gold reserves were going to be shipped out
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  to Germany, to Frankfurt. And we would have become a
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  vassal state, part of the European Union. It would have
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  been irreversible. But in the event, we, thanks to Sir
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  James Goldsmith, we secured enough votes. We forced the establishment
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  to promise a referendum before they surrendered to the euro.
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  And we ended up saving the pound, which in the
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  end resulted in the referendum in 2016, where the British
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  people voted to take back their sovereignty, which ultimately I
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  think the establishment always knew that the core, the body
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  of Britain or body of England in particular, wanted its
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  own accountable parliament in Westminster. It didn't want to be
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  part of an unaccountable European socialist protectionist super state.
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  Speaker 1: So the quote unquote elites in Britain and the elites
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  in the United States, it's coordinated with both of them.
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  Speaker 2: So I think less so in America, Joe. I can't
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  speak for America, although when you look at what the
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  Democrats did with USAID and all the stuff that was
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  going on under Joe Biden, you have to wonder whether
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  they began with the World Economic Forum to play a
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  part in this. But I think the post-war plan for
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  Europe was founded on a socialist principle, whereas I think
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  America has always been a very sound– politically based structure
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  based on obviously, you know, the founding fathers and your constitution,
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  which I always think returns power to the individual and
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  has always understood that the dangers are status dangers, not
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  individual dangers. So I'm very much in the camp. I
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  like the individual and a minimal state. And I think
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  that's much more in your DNA than it is in
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  the European DNA, which tends to be more statist.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So They did this on purpose and they brought
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  in people from what country specifically?
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  Speaker 2: Well, initially you got in Britain, you got people from Africa,
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  you got the Windrush generation. So you've got a lot
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  of Africans came ostensibly to fill jobs that they always
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  say the British people don't want to do. And it
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  gathered momentum. It was relatively slow to start with. So
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  you had... an influx of people coming to the UK.
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  You had open borders in Europe. So one of the
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  absolute embedded rules they have is this freedom of movement concept.
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  So they don't have effectively national borders. But we still
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  obviously had the channel, but we embraced this and we
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  started this immigration. What happened is it gradually happened, and
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  I think these rape gangs have been going on, or
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  we know they have for 30, 40, probably 50 years,
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  to a lesser extent. But when Tony Blair got in
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  and he undermined a lot of constitutional sort of historical law,
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  you got an acceleration of immigration from other parts of
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  the world, not just from Europe, but also from other countries,
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  South Asian countries in particular, who came to the UK.
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  And the genesis of Of the rape gangs really is,
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  I think, the cultural oil and water mix of these
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  people coming from what I call clannish societies in South
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  Asia and coming to very high-trust societies such as the
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  one we had and the one you have here, which
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  have taken thousands of years to develop. So they're high-trust
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  societies where– and Lee Kuan Yew-based– Singapore on post-war Britain,
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  where you had honesty boxes for newspapers in London. And
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  you had a country that was completely at peace with itself.
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  So it won the war. It respected peace. It respected freedom.
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  And people were rebuilding their lives, having fought a Second
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  World War to free Europe from sort of, in this case, Germany. Previously,
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  we'd done it at Waterloo when we relieved Europe of
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  the French with Napoleon. So it really accelerated after 97
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  when a lot of the legislation that Tony Blair and
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  his cohorts passed, such as the Human Rights Act, which
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  embeds within it the ECHR. He created the Supreme Court.
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  They passed laws like the Equalities Act and a raft
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  of other legal acts they passed, which effectively empowered a
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  multicultural society. which in some ways I think damaged the
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  interests of the British people.
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  Speaker 1: And you think this is on purpose. And this is
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  my point is what is the benefit for them to
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  be joined up with the rest of Europe? Is it
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  just purely financial? Is it a power-based strategy where if
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  you can diminish the quality of life for people and
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  institute more laws and put more restrictions on them, you
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  can control them easier and it's– Less pushback for the politicians,
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  less pushback for the people that are in charge?
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  Speaker 2: Basically, yes. I think it's the age-old battle between individualism
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  and collectivism. So I think the EU is a collectivist
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  construct whereas I think Britain as it was under our constitution,
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  our Bill of Rights which as you probably know, our
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  Bill of Rights in 1689, a lot of that was
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  lifted to– by your founding fathers who embedded it within
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  the US constitution. So– and that embeds freedom of speech.
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  It embeds the individual. It embeds all of the rights
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  that I think make the Anglo-Saxon world great. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
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  Speaker 1: So how did it deteriorate to the point where they're
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  arresting 12,000 people a year for social media posts?
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  Speaker 2: Joe, it's shocking. And this is why I have got
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  involved in politics. I've been involved in politics since I
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  fought the Maastricht Treaty and then stood, as I said,
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  in 97. I did a lot for business for Sterling,
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  a lot for Vote Leave. Then I stood for the
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  Brexit Party and I was elected there. So I've been
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  fighting this march towards an unaccountable state which effectively rewards
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  collectivism and punishes individualism to the extent that now I
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  find myself at the age of 68 as an MP
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  running a party called Restore Britain to try and reverse
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  this tide to re-empower the individual to return to our
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  original constitutions. and to protect the interests above all else
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  of the British people to whom I think government should
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  be accountable.
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  Speaker 1: Do they still have that kind of unchecked immigration? Is
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  it currently ongoing?
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  Speaker 2: We still have illegal migrants arriving by boat. They can't
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  be under the current laws and treaties that we're part of.
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  They're not being deported. The judges, thanks to the creation
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  of the Supreme Court, they are now a quango, a
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  woke quango. I think a lot of our judiciary is corrupt.
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  So the answer to your question is we still have
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  illegal migration and we have people living in Britain illegally.
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  We have a lot of foreign prisons in our prisons
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  and we have people who've come in under various waves
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  of immigration, one of which, the biggest of which was
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  probably under Boris Johnson who was actually a conservative prime
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  minister who allowed thousands, hundreds of thousands of people to
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  come into Britain illegally. And basically they are now a
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  burden to the British taxpayer. So the answer to your
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  question is they're arriving illegally still. They're living here illegally
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  or living in Britain illegally still. We've got foreign criminals
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  in our prisons and we've still got the legacy of
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  this huge amount of immigration which took place.
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  Speaker 1: And are a large percentage of these people receiving welfare
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  from the British government?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: What percentage?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Well, most of the people who arrive, they're all supported.
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  I mean they're put in hotels. So immediately, as soon
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  as you get there? In parliament, I see the contracts.
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  Thanks to my parliamentary questions, I'm allowed to ask questions
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  and scrutinize the contracts for, for instance, the Bibi Stockholm.
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  It was a boat which cost the British taxpayer one
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  and a half billion pounds. It's actually now lying redundant
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  and not being used. But I've seen the contracts for
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  these illegal migrants in terms of the laundry services they get,
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  in terms of the taxi services they get, in terms
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  of the food they require. I mean, literally, it is
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  like staying in a very comfortable hotel. And we've now
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  got these people being settled all across our country.
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  Speaker 1: How many?
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  Speaker 2: In hotels. Well, I don't think the government knows, Joe,
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  to answer your question. I don't think they know how
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  many people are living in Britain illegally.
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  Speaker 1: Was the similar situation that America had over the last
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  four years where on the low number, they think it
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  was 10 million people came in, which is insane. It's
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  an insane amount of people to come in in four years.
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  Speaker 2: We think there's enough work to do initially to detain
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  and deport people who are arriving illegally. I mean, to
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  my mind, illegal means illegal. So it's fairly straightforward. To
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  the people who are arriving illegally, people living here illegally,
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  the foreign criminal's There's plenty of work to do to
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  remove them from Britain. And then I think we need
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  to turn our attention, and that's in our mass deportation document.
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  I've given you a copy of that, which effectively sets
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  out the constitutional reasons why we have a problem, how
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  we correct those constitutional issues, and how we then practically
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  detain and deport the people who aren't supposed to be here.
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  And once we've done that, we will then turn our
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  attention to people who are living in Britain, to your point,
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  who are on welfare, who are going to cost the
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  taxpayer a fortune for the rest of their lives probably,
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  who aren't working, who are culturally different to us, who
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  have a different view of their religion to the Christian
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  religion and are increasingly living in small groups of people
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  who haven't integrated, who are living under Sharia law and
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  who have their own courts.
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  Speaker 1: They have their own court.
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  Speaker 2: They have their own Sharia courts, yes. A parallel legal system.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So it's unrecognized by the British government, parallel legal
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  system that exists inside of England.
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  Speaker 2: It's tolerated.
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  Speaker 1: Tolerated. So they're aware of it. Yes. And they're aware
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  of the punishments that this court dishes out?
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  Speaker 2: It's rather like they're policing their own people under their
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  own laws.
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  Speaker 1: And they're just allowing that?
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  Speaker 2: They're allowing that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa. Now, I believe, I don't know about you, but
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  I believe if you come to our country, you should
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  live under our laws.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah. I mean, the idea of Well, the United
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  States in particular is a melting pot and people come
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  from all over the place and it's one of the
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  cool things. It has all these different cultures. But there
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  are certain cultures that if you allow them to come
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  into your community and then they institute the laws of
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  the country where they came from, you're going to have
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  a real problem. Like they don't live the way you live.
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  They don't have the same respect for women that you have.
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  They don't treat them the same way. They don't allow dogs.
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  Like there's a lot of like– Stuff that a lot
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  of people might not even be aware that come with
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  that problem. It's like the idea is supposed to be
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  that Western society is inclusive and progressive because we're intelligent
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  and educated and we care. But you can care so
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  much that you let in criminals and then you give
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  those criminals all your money and then the criminals can
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  take over your country slowly but surely. And this is
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  the– no one thinks that's a possible thing. People look
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  at the Colosseum. You look at ancient Greece and they think, wow,
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  I wonder what happened to those guys. What do you
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  think happened? Probably the same shit that's happening right now
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  to England, the same shit that could have happened to America.
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  It's– civilizations fall apart for various reasons and one great
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  way to get them to fall apart is to bring
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  in a bunch of people and they don't have to
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  follow your laws and they bring the laws of wherever
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  they're from, whatever– fundamentalist religion country they're from where they
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  have a bunch of crazy laws that are kind of archaic.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is Sharia law, Islamic law, as you probably know.
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  I mean, again, to your point, I think the best
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  example I can give people of what happens if you
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  do that is when Lebanon got its independence in 1948,
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  they were a Christian country and they were a very
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  confident country. They were a They had the best universities.
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  They had a very open society. I never went to Beirut.
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  I don't know if you went to Beirut, but Beirut
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  in the 60s was meant to be the best place
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  on earth to be. Great wine, freedom, very enlightened. It
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  was great. Lots of people were there. The minute that
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  the Muslim population went over about 15%, you started to
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  get a problem. civil war. You've got the Druze and
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  Maronite Christians in a civil war with the Muslims. And
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  now Lebanon is a Muslim country. And Hezbollah, backed by Iran,
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  is effectively running the show. So to your point, I
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  couldn't agree more. And the rape gang report, which we've written,
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  was crowdfunded by 20,000 concerned English people who we raised
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  Not a huge amount of money. We raised about £ 600, 000
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  in varying quantities people gave. And we did it because
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  the government will not have a statutory inquiry. So our government,
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  and particularly the Labour Party, have been presiding over this
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  because it goes to the Muslim bloc vote. So we
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  have in the UK a system of postal voting. And
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  in a lot of the inner cities and the places
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  where these Islamic populations live, they are or have historically
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  voted Labour. That's beginning to change. They're beginning to vote
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  for Muslim independence now. And I sit with some of
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  them at the back of Parliament. So effectively, this inquiry
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  we did, we set out with a completely unbiased view
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  of what we would find. And we did it because
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  we were pushing the government to have a statutory inquiry.
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  And a lot of The reason I got involved in
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  it was I think it was Elon Musk who triggered it.
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  He talked about it because a lot of people in
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  the UK, I don't think, know the extent to which
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  this has been happening and the length of time it's
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  been happening for.
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  Go to OnXMaps.com slash Joe Rogan. Why is that? Is
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  that a failure of your media? Is it a failure
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  of the politicians? Why don't people know about this?
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  Speaker 2: It's a total failure of the media because the media
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  are supposed to be an independent body that holds to
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  account failures of the state. And it's basically because this
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  block vote through the postal voting system, which needs to
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  be changed, is effectively or has been keeping the Labour
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  Party in power. So they've put power ahead of principle.
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  And in the report, we cover this. We've covered the
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  reasons why it's so serious. And to your point, we
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  even cover, as you quite rightly say, the fact that
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  Dogs are not liked by the Islamic faith, largely because
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  Mohammed liked cats. He didn't like dogs. And what we
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  wanted to do was interview victims, which we did. We
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  did it properly. It took us over a year. We
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  had a rape gang victim, Sammy Woodhouse, who led it.
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  She's got a child by her rapist. And we had
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  a team of people. And we literally produced the witness bundles.
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  And we listened to the witnesses. And then we had
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  a two-week hearing in London where people gave evidence and
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  we had a proper barrister who effectively presided over it
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  and then helped us write the report. It's effectively Graham Smith,
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  the barrister, did a fantastic job. And we didn't start
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  out with any preconceived ideas. It started because we read
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  some court transcripts of some of the people who've been
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  found guilty of this, which the government, by the way,
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  has tried to keep quiet. Some of the historical court
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  transcripts disappear. So we've been calling for these transcripts to
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  be kept now. We've actually tried to make a noise
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  about that. And the more we read this and the
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  more we carried on with the rape gang inquiry, the
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  more it became clear to us that obviously there's a
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  link between this power and and the abuse and grooming and,
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  if you like, damage that was done to white working-class
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  English girls. And it does go, and in the report
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  we've looked at the reasons why, to your point, there
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  is a cultural difference of opinion between an open, high-trust
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  Christian view of women particularly and the Islamic view of women,
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  which is all in the report. So, for instance, as
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  you probably know, if a woman, accuses somebody of rape.
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  And a lot of these Muslims come from Pakistan, Joe.
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  They're predominantly Pakistan, and they're predominantly from one part of
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  Pakistan called Mirpur. There are some from Bangladesh. There are
• 22:48
  some from Somalia. There are some from Eritrea. There are
• 22:52
  other Muslim countries that perpetrate some of this. And of course,
• 22:56
  there are white people who perpetrate rape as well, but
• 22:59
  nothing on the scale of this. This is quite horrific.
• 23:03
  And our reporters effectively uncovered this. I think we've played
• 23:08
  a part with this report in the government saying that
• 23:11
  they're going to have now a statutory inquiry because we
• 23:14
  didn't have any statutory powers to be able to force
• 23:18
  people to appear at our hearing. They all appeared voluntarily.
• 23:20
  The government can actually force people legally to appear. They
• 23:23
  can actually make it a legal requirement that people attend.
• 23:28
  We couldn't do that. But There had been reports in
• 23:33
  the past. There was the J report in 2014. And
• 23:38
  there's been the Casey report, all of which confirmed that
• 23:42
  this was happening. And the state still continued to try
• 23:45
  and pretend it was just happening in a small number
• 23:48
  of siloed areas where you obviously had a high Islamic population.
• 23:54
  The state has equally failed to collect data on the
• 23:59
  crimes that are perpetrated, so the ethnicity of the people
• 24:02
  who are perpetrating the crimes. And from there, you can
• 24:04
  extrapolate once you've got the data as to whether or
• 24:07
  not you've got an extraordinary problem in one particular section
• 24:11
  of society. And again, using my parliamentary questions, I've been
• 24:15
  forcing as much disclosure as I can get. And this
• 24:18
  is how we've discovered that a lot of the data
• 24:21
  that should be being collected by the police particularly, by
• 24:24
  the National Health Service, by social services, a lot of
• 24:27
  the data has not been properly collected properly. possibly because
• 24:31
  the state does, I think, know that this is happening,
• 24:35
  but they don't want to admit that their multicultural experiment, which,
• 24:40
  as you probably know, famously, Enoch Powell warned would fail
• 24:44
  with his speech, the Rivers of Blood speech, for which
• 24:47
  he was heavily criticized. So I think they do know,
• 24:51
  but they don't want to admit it. They don't want
• 24:53
  to be called racist. They don't want to, and this
• 24:57
  has permeated the whole of Since Tony Blair, people are
• 25:00
  frightened to be accused of effectively being biased and white.
• 25:07
  And we're taught about things. I don't know whether you
• 25:09
  have it here, unconscious bias and all of the other
• 25:12
  sort of what I call woke, DEI-driven rubbish, which has
• 25:18
  permeated Britain in the same way. I think it may
• 25:21
  have originally come from you guys, but it's certainly had
• 25:25
  a huge effect on us.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I think it had a great grip on us for
• 25:29
  a few years and it's lessened its hold.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Well, thanks to the Donald.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that helped a lot. And I think a
• 25:36
  big part of it was Elon buying Twitter where you
• 25:39
  got legitimate free speech, which is, again, back to this 12,000
• 25:42
  people getting arrested each year for social media posts recently.
• 25:48
  How is that tolerated? I just don't understand how people
• 25:52
  aren't– I was about to say up in arms, but
• 25:54
  that's also part of the problem is that No one's
• 25:57
  armed over there.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Well, I have actually got some guns, Joseph, because I
• 26:02
  have a farm. So when you come to the UK,
• 26:04
  I hope you'll come and shoot some pheasants with me.
• 26:07
  But if you don't have a farm? Well, if you
• 26:09
  don't have a farm, you'll find it very difficult to
• 26:12
  get a gun of any kind. And even if you
• 26:14
  have a farm. So Reform tried to politically assassinate me
• 26:18
  in 25, early 25, and made false accusations about me
• 26:26
  threatening to hit one of the Zia Youssef in a meeting.
• 26:28
  And somebody was saying, I went around Parliament saying I
• 26:30
  was a very good shot and I was going to
• 26:31
  shoot Zia Youssef. I mean, if you believe that, I've
• 26:35
  got a completely clean record. I employ lots of people.
• 26:37
  I have lots of businesses and I've never had an issue.
• 26:40
  But listen, four armed police turned up, took all my
• 26:42
  guns away. I mean, and I'm a member of Parliament.
• 26:45
  I said to them, guys, you could have just called
• 26:47
  me up and we could have talked about it. But no,
• 26:49
  they turned up.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Just from an accusation.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: 9.30 at night. left at quarter to 12. We got
• 26:56
  them on the cameras. Took all my guns, all my ammo,
• 27:00
  and it took me five or six months to get
• 27:02
  them all back. But look, so they don't want the
• 27:07
  public to have guns, and they are doing their very
• 27:12
  best to damage the shooters who perfectly legitimately like to
• 27:17
  go and shoot clay pigeons, who like to go and
• 27:20
  shoot game, who like to go and hunt. effectively, they're
• 27:25
  trying to make that very difficult through the licensing laws
• 27:28
  for guns. As you probably know, they banned handguns.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: The 90s, right?
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: In the late 90s, because there was a murder up
• 27:35
  in Dunblane.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: One murder.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: One murder. So everybody, my father used to shoot pistols
• 27:41
  for Oxford University and he had, he's dead now, bless him,
• 27:44
  but he had, all his pistols were taken away. The gun,
• 27:47
  the pistols he used to shoot with at Oxford University.
• 27:50
  I mean, we now have a which needs radical change,
• 27:56
  and we need to release the individual. And to your
• 27:59
  point on social media posts, there was a lovely lady,
• 28:02
  Lucy Connolly, who was locked up for something, for 32 months,
• 28:06
  for just a very emotional social media post, which she
• 28:12
  deleted after four hours, about the Southport killings, where this chap,
• 28:18
  Axel Rudiker-Barner, went and knifed three young girls and killed
• 28:23
  them despite the fact that the British state through Prevent
• 28:26
  was aware of this and we've had a similar case
• 28:29
  recently with Henry Novak where again it was actually I
• 28:34
  think on this occasion a Sikh stabbed him and the
• 28:38
  police despite the fact when they arrived at the scene
• 28:41
  he told them he'd been stabbed the police didn't believe
• 28:45
  him and they tried to handcuff him and as a
• 28:48
  result of that It's arguable that they opened up the wound,
• 28:52
  the stab wound, and he drowned in his own blood. Meanwhile,
• 28:55
  his murderer was never handcuffed. So this is where the
• 29:01
  British state's gone completely wrong. So instead of one law
• 29:05
  for everybody and one policing for everybody, this sort of
• 29:10
  view that the white population is racist, which I don't
• 29:14
  personally believe them to be, I think Britain is racist.
• 29:18
  is a very tolerant country. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Do you think that this perspective that society sort of
• 29:24
  adopted in the UK about white people being bad, do
• 29:28
  you think this was– there was architecture to it? This
• 29:33
  was by design that this was done or is this
• 29:35
  just a natural response to people being called racist? Because
• 29:41
  of course in the past there was more racism than
• 29:43
  there is today and people always want to point to
• 29:46
  that racism as evidence of colonialism, evidence of whatever it
• 29:51
  is that happened in days past. But why in England
• 29:56
  do you think that narrative took hold so well?
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Because I think, Joe, to your point, that this post-war
• 30:02
  plan for multiculturalism, I think they realized that.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: They've got a problem. So part of it was probably
• 30:10
  infiltrating the universities and promoting these kind of ideas. It's
• 30:15
  almost as.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: If with the World Economic Forum, there's this view that
• 30:21
  the Anglo-Saxon nations have commanded and dominated too much of
• 30:25
  the world's resources. And there's almost like this misguided altruistic
• 30:30
  view that we should become more concerned with global welfare
• 30:34
  rather than the welfare of our own citizens, which I
• 30:37
  totally disagree with.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Well, there's also the you will own nothing and you
• 30:41
  will be happy.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: This is your Klaus Schwab. Which is hilarious.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Someone would even say that out loud. I know. You
• 30:49
  own nothing and you will be happy. Like, is this
• 30:52
  a part of an Orwell book? Because this doesn't seem
• 30:55
  like a real person would say something like that because
• 30:57
  who the fuck is going to listen to that? It
• 30:59
  doesn't make any sense.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Well, George Orwell has been rather accurate in some of
• 31:03
  his predictions.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: He's dead on. He's actually pretty optimistic. Like his version
• 31:08
  of the world was a little bit more palatable than
• 31:11
  what we're dealing with right now.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Interesting man, old Etonian, fought in the Spanish Civil War.
• 31:16
  I mean he was a– A very quirky Englishman who
• 31:22
  clearly had a hugely prescient foresight. And I think probably
• 31:25
  like– certainly like me, he had a healthy disrespect for
• 31:30
  what I call collectivist statism. And he was very much
• 31:34
  an individual and a believer in the individual.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: It's really interesting because when I first read that book,
• 31:41
  I was in high school. And I kept thinking like
• 31:43
  what a crazy person. This would never happen. This is
• 31:46
  not even possible. But what a crazy world this guy
• 31:49
  has created in his imagination of things going completely haywire.
• 31:53
  And then you realize as time goes on, oh, that's
• 31:55
  totally possible. It's totally possible that things can get that ridiculous.
• 31:59
  I mean when you're dealing with male– biologically male athletes
• 32:04
  that compete against women because they identify as women and
• 32:07
  use women's locker rooms. All the craziness that we deal
• 32:09
  with today, the open border situation. No one is illegal
• 32:13
  on stolen land. Hey, fuck off. Like what are we doing?
• 32:17
  Like what is this?
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Well, it's almost as if we're subverting all the things
• 32:22
  that made us great.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with immigration. But it's probably
• 32:28
  a good idea to make sure someone is on a
• 32:30
  fucking murder before you let them in. Like the idea
• 32:33
  that there should be no border at all is like,
• 32:36
  If the world was perfect, that sounds wonderful. If the
• 32:40
  world was perfect, everybody paid their taxes and everybody followed
• 32:43
  the laws, why have borders? Clearly, it's not perfect. Go
• 32:48
  to Pakistan. Go to Karachi. Go hang out. Go down
• 32:53
  the street as a woman in a miniskirt and see
• 32:55
  how that works out.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Go to some places in the world. This is– you're
• 32:58
  quite right. This is– I mean Pakistan is I think–
• 33:01
  It's a wild place. It's an example of a rogue
• 33:03
  state basically and– I think their view of, as you say,
• 33:10
  women who dress in ways other than the ways of Sharia, i.e.
• 33:15
  totally covered.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: And again, it's all in various of the Hadiths, which
• 33:20
  we quote in the Rape Gang Report. They are considered
• 33:24
  to be meat. And this is something I've never understood.
• 33:27
  How do you square this circle of this sort of clannish,
• 33:33
  backward-looking culture which comes to a highly open, high trust
• 33:38
  society and then embeds itself within that society and undermines
• 33:43
  everything that we've achieved over a thousand years.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Acknowledging that is somehow or another racist.
• 33:48
  Acknowledging that some cultures are superior is somehow or another racist.
• 33:51
  But just understanding human rights, understanding the rights of individuals
• 33:56
  to be free, to not be subjected to other people's
• 34:00
  archaic laws. And this is– look, a lot of cultures
• 34:05
  in this world live as people lived thousands of years ago.
• 34:08
  No one in the United States wants to live as
• 34:10
  people lived thousands of years ago. No one. And this
• 34:13
  is not a racist thing. Like you should be able
• 34:16
  to come over here and practice whatever religion you want.
• 34:19
  But if your religion has rules that violate the laws
• 34:24
  that we've all agreed are just and fair, then you're
• 34:27
  not integrating. And if you take over a whole town–
• 34:31
  And now that town is subject to these archaic laws.
• 34:36
  We've got a problem. And if you let that problem
• 34:38
  get bigger and bigger, they take over the country. And
• 34:41
  that's an actual possibility for certain countries. And we have
• 34:45
  to recognize that civilization is not as sturdy as we
• 34:49
  like to think it is. It's kind of flimsy in
• 34:52
  a lot of ways. A few bad things can happen
• 34:55
  and things can go sideways quite quickly.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Well, I think liberty is very fragile, isn't it? Ultimately,
• 35:01
  if you don't protect liberty, you lose it. It was
• 35:04
  Margaret Thatcher who was very strong on this.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: And you have to have laws to protect liberty.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: But what you also have to have is everyone should
• 35:11
  be equal under the law.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: And to your point, I couldn't agree more. I mean,
• 35:14
  Britain used to be a very tolerant society. So, for instance,
• 35:17
  Europe was very anti-Semitic. Britain was never anti-Semitic. We used
• 35:22
  to welcome a lot of Jews and Protestants from Europe
• 35:26
  who were being persecuted. particularly in France with the Protestants.
• 35:29
  So we were a very tolerant society, but the people
• 35:32
  who came integrated and they contributed. And that is the essence,
• 35:36
  I think, of sensible immigration. So it should be limited, targeted,
• 35:40
  and it should be only people who accept your religion
• 35:44
  and your culture and your laws.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: But what do you do, though, if someone comes over
• 35:47
  here and then they're not violating laws, they're not violating
• 35:52
  any laws, they achieve citizenship, But then they start bringing
• 35:56
  over more and more people and then start instituting Sharia law.
• 36:00
  What do you do? Do you deport them all? Like
• 36:02
  how do you– like this idea of having all these
• 36:05
  people recognizing how many people got in illegally, deporting them,
• 36:08
  mass deportations, deporting criminals. It all sounds great until you
• 36:14
  talk about actually implementing it. Like how do you do that?
• 36:17
  How are you doing that? Are you going to knock
• 36:19
  on people's doors and pull them out of their homes
• 36:21
  and ship them back to where they came from? How
• 36:23
  do you do that?
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I think the first thing you do is you stop
• 36:26
  them coming across the channel. They shouldn't be coming anywhere
• 36:29
  under international law because they're traveling across safe countries. So
• 36:32
  they shouldn't be coming.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: What's the estimate of the amount of illegal immigration that
• 36:36
  you have in Britain?
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: It's almost impossible to say how many people are living
• 36:40
  there illegally or living with us illegally. But in our paper,
• 36:43
  I mean, we think it's sort of 1.8 to 2
• 36:47
  million people probably. That's our estimate. But people arriving, we
• 36:51
  know how many are arriving. There's a lot arriving every day,
• 36:54
  particularly when the sea is calm.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: How many arrive every day?
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: They're coming. It can vary. I mean, you can get 1,000
• 37:02
  in a day. If the sea is rough, you get
• 37:05
  none because obviously they suffer if they try and cross
• 37:08
  in little overcrowded dinghies that they can't get across. But
• 37:13
  we're paying the French over half a billion pounds a
• 37:15
  year to try and stop it. That, I think, is
• 37:18
  not happening. And as a result of that, you know,
• 37:21
  our border patrol picks them up, gives them bottles of water,
• 37:25
  brings them in and settles them in hotels and pays
• 37:30
  them welfare. They become and then they apply for residency
• 37:35
  and they say they're asylum seekers. I argue most of
• 37:37
  them are economic migrants. But, you know, our woke culture
• 37:42
  is not protecting the interests of the British people.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: And it's also a massive incentive. If you live in
• 37:48
  a terribly poor country and you can just get to
• 37:52
  England and then instantaneously you will get money and housing.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Why would you not do that?
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Well, not only that, you go to the top of
• 37:59
  the waiting list for dental treatment, which British people don't get.
• 38:04
  The NHS go to the top of the waiting list.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute. They get access to dental treatment that
• 38:09
  the British people don't get?
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Why? Why do immigrants get access to it?
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: This, Joe, is the mystery of what our I don't
• 38:19
  know what they think they're doing, but they have this
• 38:22
  misguided view that these people are actually they call them
• 38:26
  asylum seekers. They say they need to be looked after
• 38:28
  and protected. They're not. They're economic migrants. And to your point,
• 38:33
  if they know there's welfare when they reach Britain, they'll
• 38:36
  travel across multiple safe countries to get to the welfare,
• 38:39
  the free housing.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: And all the other stuff. So and then. Unless you
• 38:45
  deal with issues like the rape gangs and you force
• 38:47
  them to adhere to UK law and respect our laws,
• 38:51
  our culture and our religion, they gradually set up their
• 38:56
  own cultures and their own laws, as I said. And
• 39:00
  there are large tracts of the country now where we've
• 39:04
  got these Islamic settlements which effectively operate almost as a
• 39:10
  sort of parallel society. I don't know whether it's quite
• 39:13
  the same here, whether you've got the similar thing with
• 39:15
  the Somalis in Minnesota.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: You do in Dearborn, Michigan. Dearborn, Michigan just had a
• 39:20
  gigantic Islamic parade where you just see tens of thousands
• 39:24
  of people holding flags and walking on the street. It's
• 39:29
  kind of crazy. It's crazy. And they've also– one of
• 39:32
  the things that's funny about Dearborn is all the progressives,
• 39:36
  it's a very liberal place. They're like, welcome, welcome. Everyone
• 39:39
  is welcome for all cultures. And as soon as they
• 39:42
  got into power, they banned the pride flag. That was
• 39:46
  the first thing they did.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm afraid they have quite strong views on that
• 39:52
  sort of thing. Oh, yeah.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: That's why queers for Palestine is always hilarious. And then
• 39:57
  you see the meme Palestine for queers and it's throwing
• 39:59
  people off roofs.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: It's like the chap who runs our Green Party is
• 40:05
  a gay Jew. So, I mean, again, he's going to
• 40:08
  have a problem if these guys get anywhere near power. Yeah.
• 40:12
  That doesn't seem to put the progressives off. They still
• 40:14
  seem to be– But.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: This is what's crazy is that their society is complete–
• 40:19
  like Islamic society is completely patriarchal. The women are absolutely
• 40:25
  second-class citizens. They have completely different laws for how the
• 40:29
  women can dress, what happens to the woman if someone
• 40:33
  has sex with– if someone has– first of all, if
• 40:36
  they commit adultery, they could be killed.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Stoned. Stoned to death.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I– I don't know. I watched a horrible
• 40:43
  video where a father did it to his daughter.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, you do get these killings.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Honor killings.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Honor killings, yeah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Or brothers. The brother will kill the daughter if the
• 40:52
  daughter shamed the family. It's like, hey, guys, how are
• 40:56
  you progressive when you're supporting this? And it's because the
• 41:00
  concept of not being racist, not being called racist, the
• 41:03
  fear of that is so strong. They're willing to adopt
• 41:06
  all sorts of things that are the complete antithesis of
• 41:09
  everything they believe in.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Well, in the UK, I don't know if you have
• 41:12
  it here, but the Me Too movement, it fascinates me
• 41:16
  that they never seem to say anything about these what
• 41:19
  I call clannish tribal cultures who have a completely different
• 41:23
  view of women. And to your point, again, in our report,
• 41:28
  a woman, if she accuses in Pakistan a man of rape,
• 41:35
  she has to have four male witnesses who actually have
• 41:40
  to witness and swear that they've seen her being penetrated
• 41:44
  by the rapist and you've actually got women in prison
• 41:48
  because if she can't prove that she's been raped under
• 41:52
  those rules then she can be sent to prison and
• 41:55
  there are many women languishing in Pakistani prisons for that
• 42:00
  very reason and this is the sort of extraordinary cultural
• 42:05
  oil and water, which just doesn't mix.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Well, it's also the mental gymnastics that you have to
• 42:10
  have to accept that as a part of Britain. And
• 42:13
  because you're progressive is really crazy. It just shows how
• 42:18
  these ideologies, these cult-like ideologies can completely defy logic, completely
• 42:24
  defy common sense and just You have a set of
• 42:27
  rules that you're supposed to adhere to. If you deviate
• 42:31
  from those rules, you're a racist. You don't want to
• 42:33
  be a racist, right? Then everyone's welcome.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: As you say, it's honor killings. It's tribal. Your first
• 42:41
  loyalty is to your tribe and your family, not your
• 42:45
  host country who's actually got their own laws. There are
• 42:49
  all sorts of Hadith rulings which they can they can
• 42:56
  use to justify it. I mean, for instance, if they
• 42:59
  rape a white girl, that doesn't count in their view
• 43:05
  of life as adultery. So they are effectively taught that
• 43:10
  a girl who doesn't dress as they would dress is
• 43:15
  meet to be abused. And They have these extraordinary sort
• 43:20
  of cultural views that are completely incompatible, in my view,
• 43:25
  with a society like ours where, you know, we are
• 43:29
  a matriarchal society which respects women. I think we have
• 43:33
  grown to respect women. Obviously, they've now got an omnipotent
• 43:38
  position within our society. Certainly in the UK, I'm sure
• 43:40
  it's true here too and quite right. They play a
• 43:43
  part in our society. They're a very, very important part
• 43:46
  of everything. But again, under the Islamic code, I think
• 43:53
  that the Muslims are frightened of female sexuality. It's all there.
• 43:59
  And as you know, you get FGM, female genital mutilation.
• 44:04
  So these cultures, I think, Joe, and to your point,
• 44:09
  are just incompatible unless you have a very strong government
• 44:14
  which basically protects women. its electorate from any subversive behavior
• 44:20
  which is not compatible with our values.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: You keep using the term meat. Is that how they
• 44:24
  actually refer to it?
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: That's how they consider it.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: What do they say?
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: It's in our report. There was actually, I think it was...
• 44:35
  Is it a translation? I think Thomas Jefferson actually, it's
• 44:39
  in our report, asked the Barbary pirates about the way
• 44:44
  in which they treated their their slaves and their women.
• 44:46
  That was particularly slave. They just also slavery is accepted
• 44:52
  within Islamic countries. So I think they have their own codes.
• 44:57
  They have their own terms of reference. And there is
• 45:00
  a quote in there. I'd have to look at the
• 45:03
  report to give it to you. But where one of
• 45:06
  them does liken white girls not dressing as Muslim girls
• 45:13
  dress And he does liken it to meat. Jesus. And,
• 45:19
  you know, that is an analogy he used. So, I mean, yeah,
• 45:23
  I think that's what they think.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: So this rape gang inquiry report that you have just released,
• 45:31
  the number, I want you to say it because it
• 45:34
  sounds so crazy. If I say it, people, it's going
• 45:37
  to sound wrong. The number of people that were victims,
• 45:41
  the estimate.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Well, we've estimated that a minimum of a quarter of
• 45:44
  a million rapes have taken place. It's probably much, much more, Joe.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Much, much more.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Because we published in here, I think it's a list
• 45:54
  of 147 parts of the UK where this is happening. Now,
• 45:57
  the government tries to tell you it's happening in Rochdale, Oldham,
• 46:00
  you know, one or two, Bradford, one or two centers.
• 46:04
  And that's why their statutory inquiry, the terms of reference
• 46:07
  of that have now been downgraded. So they make it
• 46:09
  look as if it's not a systemic problem, but just
• 46:12
  a little local problem, which it isn't. So we've listed here,
• 46:18
  and they're all in here, the places where we know
• 46:20
  it's happening from our rape gang inquiry. But every time
• 46:24
  we publish this, Joe, I get people emailing us or
• 46:28
  sending us messages on social media to say, what about
• 46:31
  Red Ruth in Cornwall? What about it's happening here? It's
• 46:34
  happening here. It's happening here. So I think it's incredibly widespread.
• 46:39
  And there's other people who've corroborated that quarter of a
• 46:42
  million figure. That's an incredibly conservative figure. You can't be
• 46:47
  exact because the state is not collecting the data, which
• 46:50
  it should be doing. And we've been lobbying in parliament
• 46:53
  to make sure that the state's collection of the data improves.
• 46:57
  And then we can actually see the extent of the problem.
• 47:00
  And you can actually pinpoint it in the same way
• 47:03
  that we've done it in this report. So this is–
• 47:06
  I think it's linked to organized crime. I think it's
• 47:10
  linked to the drug trade. I'm pretty sure it's linked
• 47:13
  to drug trade. And obviously it's linked to prostitution. So
• 47:18
  as usual with an evil like this and you've got
• 47:22
  girls who are transported around in the back of pickups
• 47:27
  and in cages and– at our rape gang inquiry, we
• 47:32
  had examples of girls who were raped by dogs and filmed,
• 47:38
  either anally raped or vaginally raped, and literally watched, filmed.
• 47:44
  And a lot of it's about servitude and about, you know,
• 47:48
  there's other stories in here about women having to lick
• 47:51
  the face, the feet of their rapists. It's about power.
• 47:56
  It's about servitude. And it's about the fact that Muslim
• 48:01
  men are taught to believe that they are superior, not
• 48:05
  only to women, but they're superior to people like yourself
• 48:10
  and myself who are considered to be, if you like,
• 48:15
  the infidels. And their job is to effectively spread Islam
• 48:25
  and effectively punish the infidel. And as you probably know,
• 48:29
  in the Crusades, If you lost to Saladin and you
• 48:32
  were a knight's templar, a crusader, you had two choices.
• 48:36
  You either converted to Islam or they killed you. And
• 48:41
  in the case of a lot of these girls, a
• 48:44
  lot of them were made pregnant. They were impregnated and
• 48:49
  they then had to convert to Islam. Some of them
• 48:53
  were trafficked to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, other parts of the world. So, look,
• 49:00
  I mean, this is a massive national scandal. And I'm
• 49:04
  hoping now I'm an MP. We've written this report. And
• 49:08
  this should stimulate debate. We've sent a copy of this
• 49:11
  on a PDF to every MP. And we're going to
• 49:14
  send this printed copy to all of them as well.
• 49:17
  Because everybody in power should look. at this and they
• 49:21
  should start to correct it immediately.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: You use the term– the term is used, rape gang.
• 49:27
  Why are you saying gang? And this is an organized practice?
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: It's not as simple as Islamic men are raping poor
• 49:37
  white girls. It's that they go out in gangs specifically
• 49:40
  for this purpose.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: These are properly organized gangs who are grooming and abusing
• 49:48
  young girls as young as 10 or 11 and then
• 49:52
  literally trafficking them around the country. We know that from
• 49:57
  the testimonies we've had. So originally when I went into parliament,
• 50:01
  I was elected late. So I was elected in July 24th.
• 50:06
  So at the tender age of 67. So we heard
• 50:12
  them being referred to as Asian grooming gangs, which I
• 50:17
  think is a misnomer because it's unfair on, for instance,
• 50:20
  the Japanese or other Asian cultures who don't do this.
• 50:26
  So when we thanks to Elon Musk, we actually did.
• 50:30
  And as you're quite right, thanks to him giving us
• 50:32
  a free speech platform. And Facebook's thankfully followed as well.
• 50:35
  So he's led the charge through his purchase of what
• 50:38
  was Twitter. So when I got into, I gave a
• 50:41
  speech in parliament where I didn't, I said, they're not
• 50:46
  Asian grooming gangs. I'm going to call them what they are.
• 50:49
  They're Pakistani Muslim rape gangs. So I said this in parliament.
• 50:53
  So Jamie will be able to drag it up if
• 50:56
  he goes on to the... Because everything goes into Hansard.
• 50:59
  And I gave this speech and it caused shock in
• 51:03
  the House of Commons. Now, look, I'm not the smartest
• 51:06
  kid on the block, but what I do in Parliament
• 51:08
  is I tell the truth. So, you know, I'm only
• 51:11
  interested in telling the truth and getting to the truth
• 51:14
  and changing the way in which we govern. That's what
• 51:16
  I've gone into Parliament for. I haven't gone into this...
• 51:19
  I give my parliamentary salary to charity. I'm a reasonably successful...
• 51:25
  person who's lived his life. I've been chairman of a
• 51:28
  football club. I don't know if you're interested in Premier
• 51:29
  League football, but I was chairman of Southampton. So I
• 51:32
  built the stadium for Southampton. I used to play competitive hockey.
• 51:36
  And I built up the youth academy at Southampton. I loved,
• 51:39
  the best day of my life was when we got
• 51:41
  to the cup final in 2003. We lost 1-0 to Arsenal,
• 51:44
  but it was the most amazing experience for everybody. So look,
• 51:48
  I'm not doing this because I want necessarily to be
• 51:52
  doing it. I'm doing it because somebody's got to do it.
• 51:55
  And if we're going to change Britain, we've got to
• 51:58
  get the public to buy into what we're doing. And
• 52:01
  as I say, I'm not a classic politician. I'm not
• 52:03
  saying you've got to vote for me. I'm saying that
• 52:07
  we've got to change Britain by 29 or I think
• 52:10
  the country, from what I can see, is in terminal decline.
• 52:14
  So I sit on the Public Accounts Committee. I see
• 52:16
  the waste. I see the unaccountability. I see the way
• 52:19
  in which the civil service does not serve the people
• 52:22
  which it's supposed to serve. I see... our debt rising
• 52:26
  to nearly 100% of GDP. I see massive misallocation of
• 52:30
  procurement on our weapons. I see fraud in the judiciary.
• 52:35
  I see all the things that- Sounds like you're talking
• 52:38
  about America. Well, I'm talking about Britain. A moment, Joe.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: It seems like it's a widespread problem.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I actually think America under Joe Biden probably was
• 52:49
  as bad as that. And if you look at what
• 52:52
  Elon and the boys uncovered with USAID and all of
• 52:57
  the misallocation of taxpayer funds all over the world. A
• 53:00
  lot of it to England. Some of it came to
• 53:03
  woke causes in England. So look, whoever the architects of
• 53:07
  this are, whether it's the World Economic Forum, whoever they are,
• 53:10
  whether it's the Bilderbergers, whether it's the Council on Foreign Relations,
• 53:14
  whether it's whatever malign influence is trying to do this,
• 53:18
  we have to collectively try and reverse it. So I'm
• 53:21
  I'm saying to people, if you want, I will do
• 53:24
  my damnedest to reverse it. I've run multiple businesses. I
• 53:28
  was in the city of London for 20 years, so
• 53:30
  I know about finance. And I will commit to doing
• 53:35
  whatever I can to reverse this for the British people.
• 53:38
  But they've got to buy into it, Joe. They've got
• 53:39
  to buy into it.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Are there people that are in denial that this is happening,
• 53:43
  that this rape gang problem is real?
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, without a shadow of a doubt.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: What do they say?
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Well, Labour just... tries to look the other way.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: But when confronted, when confronted by the numbers, what is
• 53:55
  their response?
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Well, we've been demanding a statutory inquiry. And in the end,
• 54:00
  we crowdfunded this. Right.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: What is their response to that?
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Well, their response to this has been pretty muted, to
• 54:05
  be frank. I mean, the BBC haven't covered it at all.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: A national monopolistic broadcaster paid for by a compulsory fee
• 54:14
  have not covered this as a matter of public interest,
• 54:19
  nor of Sky. nor properly of the Daily Telegraph. GB
• 54:24
  News have covered a tiny, Patrick Christus covered one evening
• 54:28
  of it. Now, this is a massive national scandal that
• 54:32
  deserves a complete and utter airing.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: How does the BBC justify not discussing this?
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Well, the BBC is part of our problem, Joe. So
• 54:43
  to your point about, you know, the Democrats, the BBC
• 54:46
  is a deeply malign organization. So it was set up
• 54:51
  to inform, educate, and entertain. And it was set up
• 54:54
  by a man called Reith. And Reith was a highly
• 54:57
  principled man. And I think at the time it was
• 55:00
  set up in the 20s, it probably did have a role.
• 55:06
  But in the digital age where most of the young
• 55:09
  people no longer watch their news on the BBC, they
• 55:13
  get their news from whatever their favorite news channel is,
• 55:17
  whether it's Breitbart, whoever they go and get it from,
• 55:19
  they get it from somewhere else. But if you want
• 55:22
  to watch sport or you want to basically have your TV,
• 55:26
  you have to pay the TV license.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: There's still a problem that I'm sure exists in England
• 55:31
  just as it exists in America. There's a certain subset
• 55:33
  of our society, a large percentage of our society, particularly
• 55:36
  older people, that things are not legitimate unless they're discussed
• 55:40
  in corporate media and that if it's not in The
• 55:43
  New York Times, if it's not on CNN, if it's
• 55:46
  not fill in the blank, then it can't be completely legitimate.
• 55:50
  It has to be a fringe thing. It has to
• 55:52
  be a conspiracy thing. They still need these sort of
• 55:58
  legacy establishments to give them the news because that has
• 56:01
  been the way they grew up. That has been how
• 56:03
  they were trained. And in their mind, they don't understand
• 56:06
  the internet completely. They don't go on Twitter. And so
• 56:09
  all that stuff to them is just– it's just too fringe.
• 56:13
  So that's always going to be a problem. And if
• 56:16
  someone like the BBC doesn't cover this stuff, it– For
• 56:21
  a lot of people that are woefully ignorant, they can
• 56:24
  still kind of claim that ignorance and dismiss it because
• 56:27
  the BBC isn't covering it.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right. I mean that's a very good summary
• 56:32
  because the BBC historically was totally trusted and their news
• 56:38
  bulletins were designed, as I say, to be impartial completely.
• 56:43
  And being a public sector broadcaster, their job was to
• 56:46
  cover matters like this and create debate. But as we know,
• 56:51
  monopolies go bad. I mean monopolies in my view are
• 56:56
  generally a bad thing, particularly in the digital age where
• 56:59
  thanks to Elon Musk and what he did with X,
• 57:03
  I think he has released free speech. I think he
• 57:06
  has returned some sort of semblance of people's ability to
• 57:12
  be able to force debate without being bullied by a
• 57:17
  monopoly like the BBC. So if I ever get near power,
• 57:21
  I will responsibly defund the BBC as one of the
• 57:24
  first things I do. I think the BBC is dripping
• 57:26
  poison into the veins of Britain every day.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: What other examples of what the BBC is doing do
• 57:33
  you think is dripping poison?
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of their coverage is not objective.
• 57:38
  It's woke. I mean they're into all this DEI. They're
• 57:41
  into obviously the LGBTQ +. They're into all of the–
• 57:47
  All of the things which I think, as we said earlier,
• 57:49
  probably came from this Democrat period. But it's been happening
• 57:55
  for a long time. I think if you look at
• 57:57
  the Labour Party, again, I don't know if you've ever
• 58:00
  heard of the Fabian Society. So the Fabian Society was
• 58:05
  set up in the 1880s. And it was basically most
• 58:10
  of the Labour front bench and most of the Labour
• 58:12
  Party are members of the Fabian Society. So the Fabian Society,
• 58:16
  George Bernard Shaw was a member of the Fabian Society.
• 58:19
  You'll have heard of George Bernard Shaw. So it's the
• 58:22
  most extraordinary organization. Their emblem is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
• 58:28
  As if that doesn't tell you what they're doing.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: That's their emblem? Can I see what that looks like?
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: That's their emblem. It's a wolf in sheep's clothing.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Fabian Society?
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: The Fabian Society.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I need to see that.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: You should have a look at that.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: I might have to get a t-shirt.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: And should I tell you what else they were?
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: I need a t-shirt.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Should I tell you what else they were? They were
• 58:44
  eugenicists originally.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: When? How far back?
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Bernard Shaw, George Bernard Shaw.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Look at that. That is damn crazy.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Well, everyone should look at the Fabian Society because that
• 58:56
  runs deep through the veins of labor.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: That is damn crazy.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: What do you think of that?
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: That is damn crazy. So, ladies and gentlemen, if you're
• 59:03
  just listening to this, this Fabian Society coat of arms
• 59:07
  is really a black wolf that has... a sheep's body
• 59:11
  strapped on top of its back. And it's like covering
• 59:15
  its– this is insane. That's crazy. What a complete disdain
• 59:23
  for anybody else's intelligence. Like they're not even trying to
• 59:29
  hide it.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: They're just like– They're all members. The front bench are
• 59:32
  all members of the Fabian Society.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: That coat of arms is– Keir.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Starmer is also a member of– I need a T-shirt, Jamie.
• 59:38
  Please order it. You want a Fabian Society T-shirt?
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just for a goof. I think it would be hilarious.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: But no, so that runs through the Labour Party. So
• 59:48
  that's all part of it. So I think the agenda
• 59:51
  has been, to your point, they've infiltrated our education system.
• 59:57
  And I'm proud of– I mean, Britain stopped the slave trade.
• 1:00:02
  It cost us a fortune. We did it almost unilaterally. And,
• 1:00:07
  you know, we, I think, on the whole, have been
• 1:00:10
  a force for good in the world, not bad. I'm
• 1:00:12
  proud to say that I've studied a lot of history.
• 1:00:15
  I think there are many other cultures, probably the Belgians
• 1:00:19
  and the French, who are far more brutal than us
• 1:00:21
  with their colonies. So I think we've tended to leave
• 1:00:24
  a legacy where we've tried to instill the rule of
• 1:00:28
  law Look at India. Look at a lot of the
• 1:00:30
  other countries that we were involved with. They're now flourishing
• 1:00:35
  because of the– I think the structures that we left
• 1:00:37
  in place. And it's very sad to watch us almost
• 1:00:41
  turning in on ourselves and having left the legacy in
• 1:00:45
  other countries. We ourselves have lost sight of what we
• 1:00:50
  should be doing.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: It's really extraordinary seeing the perspective of a lot of
• 1:00:54
  young people that are very impressionable that come out of universities.
• 1:00:58
  and have an utter complete disdain for these successful societies.
• 1:01:04
  And instead of looking at these successful societies and saying, well, yeah,
• 1:01:08
  people were really terrible in the past, but this is
• 1:01:11
  a pretty good example of how people should be treated
• 1:01:14
  equally today. No, it's not perfect, but it's progressing in
• 1:01:19
  a better direction than it was in the past, right? Instead,
• 1:01:22
  they look to the past and everything is built on
• 1:01:25
  this horrible history. of outrageous, atrocious acts and therefore it
• 1:01:29
  must be punished currently and all the people that benefited
• 1:01:32
  from it, specifically white people, need to be cast out.
• 1:01:37
  They need to be silenced. Multiculturalism is the only way
• 1:01:41
  to go, complete open borders. The way they look at
• 1:01:45
  things is like how do you think these countries got
• 1:01:48
  so good? Like what do you think is about America
• 1:01:52
  or about England, about any of these countries? That leads
• 1:01:55
  them to be where they are today. Well, it's a
• 1:01:57
  long history of progress, a long history. And along the way, yeah,
• 1:02:04
  like especially when you go back hundreds of years ago,
• 1:02:06
  people were fucking terrible. They were terrible everywhere. Humans are
• 1:02:10
  just getting better at being people like pretty recently. But
• 1:02:13
  to throw it all out and abandon it and to
• 1:02:16
  think that socialism is going to fix you. Like do
• 1:02:19
  you guys read anything? There's not a single example of
• 1:02:23
  that not turning to tyranny. And their take on it
• 1:02:27
  is always it hasn't been done correctly. And that is
• 1:02:30
  so wild that people are still willing to swallow that.
• 1:02:33
  And the only thing that makes sense is they've been
• 1:02:35
  indoctrinated through universities to think this way because nowhere in
• 1:02:39
  the real world– do you think that a quality of
• 1:02:42
  outcome ever makes any sense? Because everybody realizes somewhere along
• 1:02:46
  the line, when you get your first job, when you're
• 1:02:47
  a kid, when you're going through school, when you're playing sports,
• 1:02:50
  there's not a quality of effort. There's never a quality
• 1:02:53
  of effort. And there's always some people that want to
• 1:02:56
  put in more effort and they're putting more thought and
• 1:02:58
  more focus and they get further. And, you know, oh, well,
• 1:03:02
  they're fucking over all these other people. Are you sure
• 1:03:05
  that's everything? Because it seems like it's not. And it
• 1:03:08
  seems like as soon as you remove any incentive to succeed,
• 1:03:12
  then you don't have any of the amazing stuff that
• 1:03:14
  you have around you all the time. The reason why
• 1:03:17
  you have beautiful televisions and Starlink and all that, it's capitalism.
• 1:03:22
  It's that you have to incentivize people to create these things.
• 1:03:26
  It doesn't mean the only way to do it is
• 1:03:28
  to fuck other people over. That's not correct. It can
• 1:03:31
  be done correctly. It can be done humanely. It can
• 1:03:34
  be done wisely. You could vote with your dollars. You
• 1:03:37
  could You know, boycott companies that do things that you
• 1:03:40
  don't think are ethical. There's all sorts of wonderful ways
• 1:03:42
  that capitalism could be used and you can sort of
• 1:03:45
  influence things in the right direction. But to throw it
• 1:03:47
  all out and say we've got to go to socialism, like, oh, boy,
• 1:03:53
  I can't believe people are buying that. I just– that
• 1:03:55
  to me is one of the real problems with not
• 1:03:57
  allowing conservative voices in universities and that these universities, especially
• 1:04:03
  in the United States, are a lot of– especially like
• 1:04:06
  in– Sociology, psychology, overwhelmingly liberal. Like surely there's got to
• 1:04:13
  be some historians out there that are conservative and they
• 1:04:17
  would have a different perspective and it might be good
• 1:04:19
  to have diversity of opinion. As well as diversity of
• 1:04:24
  national origin, as well as diversity of gender, as well
• 1:04:27
  as diversity of sexual orientation. Yeah, all that stuff is great.
• 1:04:30
  But also diversity of opinion. Like the only way to
• 1:04:33
  know whether or not this person is making sense is
• 1:04:37
  to have someone who completely disagrees. That is a better point.
• 1:04:40
  Go up against them and you watch them duke it out.
• 1:04:42
  And as soon as you silence all that because students
• 1:04:45
  don't feel safe or because this is promoting– X, Y,
• 1:04:49
  and Z. This person's a Nazi. Oh, they're a Nazi.
• 1:04:52
  We can't let them on there. As soon as you
• 1:04:54
  do that, you ruin the whole thing that a university
• 1:04:57
  is supposed to be doing. It's supposed to be preparing
• 1:04:59
  young minds for discourse and for communicating and for figuring
• 1:05:03
  out the world on their own. They're eventually going to
• 1:05:05
  be independent and dependent entirely on their own actions and
• 1:05:09
  decisions and go out there in the world, figure out
• 1:05:11
  your way. Arm them correctly and the way to do
• 1:05:13
  that is to expose them to all sorts of different
• 1:05:17
  competing ideas. The idea that that was ever accepted to
• 1:05:20
  be shut down in this country, especially in America, is
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  a massive failure of the education system, just massive. If
• 1:05:27
  you think that someone has bad points, come up with
• 1:05:29
  better points and let them duke it out and don't
• 1:05:32
  pull fire alarms and don't silence them and don't scream
• 1:05:35
  and protest and throw things at them. Communicate. This is
• 1:05:39
  what– and anybody who doesn't do that should be shunned.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: If you're one of those people that says, no, you
• 1:05:45
  can't talk to Nazis, like shun them. They are the
• 1:05:49
  enemy of thinking. They are the enemy of progress. They
• 1:05:52
  are the enemy of finding out what's right and what's wrong.
• 1:05:54
  And the only way we find that out is we communicate.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: Free speech.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Free speech.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: Well, free speech and a degree of Darwinism. You have
• 1:06:02
  to have– what we have in the UK now is
• 1:06:05
  I would say reverse Darwinian theory. And again, at schools now,
• 1:06:09
  in my day, I was lucky. We liked to win.
• 1:06:13
  To win was good. To win fairly in a proper
• 1:06:15
  game of hockey or rugby or whatever was great. But
• 1:06:19
  now in schools, winning is considered to be bad. Everybody
• 1:06:25
  needs to have an opportunity to be treated the same.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: In sports?
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Often, often in sport to win, to be seen as
• 1:06:31
  a competitive winner.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: You guys don't have wrestling over there either.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: We don't have wrestling. I know you do.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: It's a real problem.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: Cage fighting and stuff.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: I know, but I mean wrestling, just wrestling as a sport,
• 1:06:40
  just wrestling for high school and college. It's like wrestlers
• 1:06:44
  understand meritocracy as good as any human being alive because
• 1:06:49
  there's no way to make it unless you work hard.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: But isn't this the battle? Joe, the age-old battle between
• 1:06:56
  individualism and collectivism.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: Because the collective likes to curb the individual. I like
• 1:07:03
  to foster the individual, and I think what the state
• 1:07:07
  fears most is highly successful, independent-minded people who are capable
• 1:07:14
  of putting their point of view and discussing it with
• 1:07:17
  each other. So what they try and do through the
• 1:07:19
  taxation in the U.K., What they're doing is they're taxing,
• 1:07:23
  to your point, people who contribute, who work hard. And
• 1:07:26
  there are still a lot of people who fight very
• 1:07:28
  hard to feed their families. They're proud. They don't want
• 1:07:32
  to be part of this welfarism. You know, they want
• 1:07:35
  to provide and they work hard. But the state puts
• 1:07:39
  everything in their way, all the regulations, the rules, the taxes.
• 1:07:44
  Everything is everything is the force is not with them.
• 1:07:47
  And that's got to be wrong. I mean, I think
• 1:07:50
  what you need is a lot of successful individual family businesses,
• 1:07:55
  communities which are self-sufficient, communities that respect each other and
• 1:08:00
  effectively can have this debate with each other. You get
• 1:08:04
  at the truth. And I think as a result of that,
• 1:08:07
  most of the best inventions have come from the UK,
• 1:08:11
  the US, from the Anglo-Saxon world, where individualism, when it's
• 1:08:16
  allowed to flourish... does a lot of good for mankind.
• 1:08:19
  And to your point, I think this is what's been
• 1:08:21
  undermined by these, what I call central planners.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: And a lot of these great inventions in America have
• 1:08:27
  come from people that immigrated legally from other countries because
• 1:08:30
  they appreciated what America stood for and they really wanted
• 1:08:33
  to make something happen. And they couldn't do it wherever
• 1:08:35
  they were.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: Well, the extraordinary thing in the UK is we've got
• 1:08:37
  a lot of support from people who are immigrants into
• 1:08:40
  the UK. They came to Britain because they respected the
• 1:08:44
  are structures and what they want is they want structure.
• 1:08:47
  They don't want to see the country descending into chaos.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Yes, legal immigrants in America have the
• 1:08:50
  same perspective. Legal immigrants in America are pretty overwhelmingly against
• 1:08:54
  the whole open border idea because it was so hard
• 1:08:57
  for them to become an American citizen. It's a very
• 1:09:00
  proud moment for them to do it.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: A lot of young people?
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of support from young people who are– Well,
• 1:09:05
  young people are online. See, this is the thing. So
• 1:09:07
  young people are much more– I want to say informed
• 1:09:13
  but at least aware of the issue. They're much more
• 1:09:15
  aware of things than older people that are just, again–
• 1:09:19
  reading the newspaper, and watching television.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: But don't you think, as it may be the same
• 1:09:23
  here in Britain, a lot of the wealth is tied
• 1:09:26
  up in what I call the baby boomers. So I'm
• 1:09:28
  a sort of tail end boomer because I'm 68, but
• 1:09:30
  the sort of bulk of them are probably 70 to 90.
• 1:09:35
  And a lot of the pension wealth is held there.
• 1:09:38
  And a lot of the damage that's been done to
• 1:09:41
  our financial markets has come from aversion to risk. Risk
• 1:09:44
  is a good thing, in my opinion. So people need
• 1:09:46
  to take risk. Risk you know, the entrepreneur takes risk
• 1:09:50
  and he gets reward if he gets it right. But
• 1:09:53
  if you tax him into oblivion, he doesn't take the risk.
• 1:09:55
  And what's happened in Britain is the baby boomers, the
• 1:09:58
  wealth's all locked up there. They want to see their
• 1:10:01
  retirement through safely and not enough money is cascading down
• 1:10:05
  to the young people to be able to build their
• 1:10:07
  lives in the same way that the boomers were given
• 1:10:10
  a chance to make money in this very.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: When you say not enough money is cascading down, like
• 1:10:16
  how so? What's the bottleneck?
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: Well, the money is all locked up with these old
• 1:10:20
  baby moves and they're more concerned with their pensions and
• 1:10:23
  their retirement than they are with generating an ongoing wealth chain,
• 1:10:28
  which gives an opportunity for the young to be involved.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: So you're meaning they're not starting businesses? No, very much not.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: They're just holding on to their money? They're holding on
• 1:10:35
  to their money.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: So that's an England thing?
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: In England, definitely. I mean, I think it's a big issue.
• 1:10:41
  I don't know whether it's an issue here. Is it
• 1:10:42
  an issue here?
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: Well, there's certainly an issue here with young people feeling
• 1:10:46
  like the system is completely rigged. Cost of housing is
• 1:10:51
  through the roof. Rent is through the roof. Groceries are
• 1:10:55
  more expensive. Inflation here is a giant problem. It's a
• 1:10:59
  giant problem for people that are struggling. We were just
• 1:11:01
  looking at something the other day on the internet where
• 1:11:05
  it was talking about a number of– a number from,
• 1:11:09
  what was it, like 2007 or 2008 or something like that,
• 1:11:14
  that was like $ 225, 000 and it's $ 450, 000 in today. That's crazy.
• 1:11:20
  That's like 20 years ago. To have something double in
• 1:11:26
  20 years and you just think about how many people
• 1:11:28
  that are coming up that just feel like AI is
• 1:11:30
  going to take all their jobs so they don't know
• 1:11:32
  what to do and now they're in student debt because
• 1:11:35
  you guys have free education over there, which is a
• 1:11:37
  wonderful thing I completely support that idea. But in America,
• 1:11:42
  these kids get saddled down with debt that they can't.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Escape from ever. In England, we don't have free education.
• 1:11:48
  In England– in Scotland, they do. Scotland has free education.
• 1:11:52
  We did used to have it. You're quite right.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: When did it go away?
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Well, now students have to take out loans. And this
• 1:11:58
  is another shocking– I.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Thought you guys had free healthcare and free education.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: We have– well, if you call it free healthcare, assuming
• 1:12:06
  you can get a doctor now, because most people now
• 1:12:09
  are having to source their own medical treatment because it
• 1:12:13
  takes you so long to get an operation or to
• 1:12:15
  get a doctor's appointment. Although the sort of health service
• 1:12:19
  was set up post-war to provide free healthcare, when it
• 1:12:23
  becomes incredibly inefficient, people have to seek their own care,
• 1:12:27
  otherwise they don't get treated. But look, I think with
• 1:12:30
  student debt now.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: When did it change where university education– It's changed.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: So now– What year was this? Well, it's been changed
• 1:12:40
  for a long time.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. So my oldest son is 35. So he
• 1:12:47
  took out a student loan. It was less then and
• 1:12:49
  then the fees shot up. So my– What's a– like
• 1:12:52
  for Oxford, what's a typical– how much– Well, they run
• 1:12:55
  up– students will run up debt of– in the UK now,
• 1:12:58
  it's not uncommon to run up a debt of £ 60, 000.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: So it's– Very similar to what's going on in America.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: £ 60, 000 and they're charged the most hideous rate of interest
• 1:13:07
  on it.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Do you guys have the same laws in terms of
• 1:13:10
  bankruptcy over there?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: We do have bankruptcy laws, yeah.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: But do you have bankruptcy?
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: Student debt, you won't be bankrupted over student debt though
• 1:13:18
  because the student debt, they just accrue the interest. If
• 1:13:22
  you go and work in a foreign country, often you
• 1:13:25
  don't have to pay the student debt back. I think
• 1:13:27
  it's a 30-year liability. But once you start working, then
• 1:13:32
  the student debt organization will take interest and principal out
• 1:13:36
  of your salary.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: In America, if you go bankrupt, they'll forgive credit card debt,
• 1:13:41
  all sorts of other debt, but not student loan. It's
• 1:13:44
  the one loan that you cannot ever be forgiven from.
• 1:13:47
  In fact, people who have Social Security in America, their
• 1:13:50
  Social Security gets docked because they owe student loans.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: Is that right? I didn't know that.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. Imagine you're at the end of your life.
• 1:13:58
  You're living on Social Security and they're taking pieces of
• 1:14:00
  it for an education that clearly didn't help you out.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about you, but in England, we've
• 1:14:05
  got these ridiculous courses in sort of humanities and sort
• 1:14:08
  of things that are completely abstruse. Yeah. And these kids
• 1:14:13
  go and do these what I call bullshit degrees. And
• 1:14:16
  at the end of the day, they come out of
• 1:14:18
  it with a load of debt.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: And no real skills.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: No skills and a completely ideologically captured mind.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: Very much so. Yeah.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: It's– that's– it's, and there's not a lot of other alternatives.
• 1:14:32
  It's like most universities are left leaning, you know, and that's,
• 1:14:35
  that's the issue that these kids have. You're, even if
• 1:14:37
  you're from a conservative family or if the kids grow
• 1:14:40
  up a certain way, send them off to college and
• 1:14:43
  they're very impressionable and they're going to get talked down
• 1:14:45
  to by a professor who's a communist who's never had
• 1:14:48
  a real job in his life. And he seems so
• 1:14:50
  smart and he's very smug and he insults you if
• 1:14:53
  you disagree with him. And he is the ruler of
• 1:14:56
  the classroom and everybody like, Like little kids, they just
• 1:15:00
  give in to this guy's ideas. The next thing you know,
• 1:15:02
  you're organizing on school grounds and you're doing all the
• 1:15:07
  same things that the other communists are doing and you're
• 1:15:09
  part of the team. Hey, we're going to fix the world.
• 1:15:14
  And you don't realize how ridiculous it is until like
• 1:15:16
  maybe you're 35 and you have a job and then
• 1:15:19
  you have a family and you're like, what the fuck
• 1:15:21
  are we doing? Like what is this?
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: It does change, doesn't it?
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, 100%.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: But Oxford is the worst.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: It's the old expression. Show me a young man. Who
• 1:15:29
  quoted that? Who was that quote from? Show me a
• 1:15:32
  young man who's not a– was it liberal or is
• 1:15:35
  it progressive or whatever it is? Show me a young
• 1:15:38
  man who's not a liberal and I'll show you a
• 1:15:40
  man without a heart. Show me an old man who's
• 1:15:42
  not conservative and I'll show you a man without a brain.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I don't know who said that but it's
• 1:15:46
  a common saying.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: Who said that?
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: It's fine.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know who said that. It's a truism.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: Was it Churchill?
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: Was it Churchill?
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: There you go. One of your people. There you go. Yeah,
• 1:15:56
  brilliant and accurate. And it doesn't– being conservative doesn't mean
• 1:16:00
  you're not kind. It's silly. It's just recognition of human nature.
• 1:16:04
  And you can't reward people for not putting in effort
• 1:16:09
  because then they will find ways to not put in effort.
• 1:16:11
  You can't reward people for being a quote-unquote victim. And
• 1:16:16
  I don't mean a real victim of a crime. I
• 1:16:18
  mean victimized by society, victimized by circumstance. You can't weaponize that.
• 1:16:25
  Because people will cling to it. People love excuses. Anybody
• 1:16:29
  who does sports, you played hockey, people love excuses. Not today,
• 1:16:34
  my back hurts. Today, I don't feel up to it. Today,
• 1:16:37
  I'm a little tired. I can't do the final lap.
• 1:16:39
  People love excuses. And when you weaponize that and you
• 1:16:42
  give people incentives to be– you give excuses and then
• 1:16:45
  you put people on their heels like, whoa, I don't
• 1:16:48
  want to appear that I'm insensitive. Let's help you out.
• 1:16:51
  And then all of a sudden you've got a whole
• 1:16:54
  swath of society that has carte blanche over your tax
• 1:16:58
  dollars for nonsense.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: Well, this is obviously what's happened in the UK. When
• 1:17:02
  I was brought up, again, competition was a good thing.
• 1:17:07
  If you felt a bit rough, you just carried on.
• 1:17:10
  You didn't whinge. You didn't moan. You expected to fight
• 1:17:13
  for things. If you had a setback, you didn't immediately
• 1:17:16
  go and cry into your beer. You basically got on
• 1:17:18
  with it.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: We need to teach people that. It's character building. Like
• 1:17:23
  you're going to have rough days and you should cherish
• 1:17:26
  those rough days because from them you will grow. You
• 1:17:29
  will grow from your rough days. The down times are
• 1:17:33
  the good ones because those down times really give you
• 1:17:35
  the motivation and the real firepower to get out of
• 1:17:39
  whatever situation you're in and improve your life.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: From adversity comes success.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: Comes character for sure.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: Character and success. Yeah.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Character for sure. I mean it doesn't exist without some
• 1:17:52
  sort of adversity.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: But I do think– I think the young were also–
• 1:17:57
  badly affected by the COVID, by the response to COVID, Joe.
• 1:18:00
  And I think you and I share something in common.
• 1:18:02
  I'm a pureblood. I didn't have those. Pureblood's hilarious. I
• 1:18:06
  didn't have those injections. I wouldn't go anywhere near them.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: How did you get away with that in the UK?
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: Well, I used to go to Australia a lot because
• 1:18:15
  I have some businesses in Perth in Western Australia. I
• 1:18:17
  love those old rocks in Western Australia, the mining, the
• 1:18:21
  sort of wild west and Kalgoorlie and places like that
• 1:18:25
  you know which have got a huge historical connection to
• 1:18:29
  sort of gold prospecting and stuff so I stopped going
• 1:18:32
  I stopped traveling because it was very difficult to travel
• 1:18:36
  but I don't know about you I found the lockdown
• 1:18:40
  profoundly concerning I thought I thought things that I thought
• 1:18:44
  were nor the norm I was losing everything that made
• 1:18:48
  sense And there were things happening that I didn't think
• 1:18:53
  could ever happen in Britain. The state literally took over
• 1:18:59
  and it frightened people into submission.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Same as America.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: And the young people suffered most because They didn't have
• 1:19:07
  the opportunity to socialize and to your point, discuss ideas
• 1:19:13
  and get at the truth. They were literally locked up.
• 1:19:17
  Everything was online. It wasn't right. The whole thing was
• 1:19:21
  completely wrong.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Imagine if you're in high school in America and you're
• 1:19:25
  in California your entire senior year. You're at home. You graduate.
• 1:19:29
  You can't even go to a graduation because it's too dangerous. Yeah.
• 1:19:33
  The whole thing was madness.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: Well, Sweden got it right. Anders Tegland in Sweden. He
• 1:19:37
  was a great man, very brave man. And he got
• 1:19:40
  that right.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: And boy, there was a lot of pushback. It was
• 1:19:42
  amazing how many people were willing to do the work
• 1:19:45
  of the government, how many citizens were willing to enforce
• 1:19:49
  these ideas. It was really shocking. It was shocking to
• 1:19:53
  watch how many people became lemmings, how many people just
• 1:19:56
  stepped in line.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: We had people ratting on each other.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, we did it. They were rewarding people in
• 1:20:01
  Los Angeles. Yeah. They were giving them financial rewards for
• 1:20:04
  telling on their neighbors that we're having parties.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: That's what happened in England. I have a tennis court
• 1:20:10
  in the middle of nowhere, so I used to say
• 1:20:12
  come up and play tennis because it's ridiculous to stop
• 1:20:14
  you playing tennis outside. I mean, absolutely mad. Anyway, they
• 1:20:18
  used to come up and play tennis, and nobody can
• 1:20:21
  see it. But if they played it in the village,
• 1:20:24
  then people would report each other.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. In California, we had people report on us because
• 1:20:28
  this desk is not six feet wide.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: Seriously?
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and then they also said
• 1:20:34
  we were talking close to each other without masks because
• 1:20:37
  there was a bunch of people that saw people walk
• 1:20:40
  into the studio, and we shook their hands, so they
• 1:20:42
  were ratting on us. And so we had to put
• 1:20:44
  a sign up in the front door of the studio,
• 1:20:46
  and we had to have a bag of masks, a
• 1:20:49
  whole bag of masks. Do we have to have hand
• 1:20:51
  sanitizer too? Did we have that too? Probably. I think so.
• 1:20:54
  I think we had to have hand sanitizer for a
• 1:20:56
  while at least. But we were getting ratted on because
• 1:21:00
  this desk is– Too close. So it's not– this desk
• 1:21:03
  is only five feet wide. So it's no social distancing.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: It's pathetic, Joe, isn't it?
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: It was nonsense. It was so crazy. The whole thing
• 1:21:12
  made no sense. And it completely changed a lot of
• 1:21:15
  people's ideas about trusting experts and trusting authority. So many
• 1:21:22
  people thought that the health experts in this country were
• 1:21:26
  literally just trying to make people healthy. And you didn't
• 1:21:29
  realize like, oh, no, no, no, no. They're trying to
• 1:21:31
  prop up the pharmaceutical drug cartel and they're trying to
• 1:21:33
  make as much money as humanly possible. And the only
• 1:21:36
  way to do that is to force compliance. And so
• 1:21:38
  they will do whatever they can. They will keep you
• 1:21:40
  from flying. They'll keep you from driving. They'll keep you
• 1:21:42
  from going to school. You can't work. If you have
• 1:21:44
  more than 100 employees, everyone has to get vaccinated. They
• 1:21:47
  were doing crazy shit where you're like, you guys are
• 1:21:50
  really going for it. And it worked. It worked for
• 1:21:53
  quite a while. But boy, did it ruin everything. young
• 1:21:56
  people's perspective of authority completely they don't trust anybody anymore
• 1:22:01
  and with good reason.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: Well i think it damaged them most again it's another
• 1:22:06
  negative for them yeah i mean our national health service
• 1:22:08
  was forcing people to have the inject you had to
• 1:22:10
  work in the national health service you had.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: To have the jabs yeah and it didn't work it
• 1:22:14
  didn't work that's what's actually actually worse than that show
• 1:22:17
  it didn't wait created major medical problems right And I
• 1:22:20
  don't personally think we've seen the end of it yet.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: So I've got a lot of friends who are fit.
• 1:22:24
  They ended up having myocarditis, having strokes, having heart attacks.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: And at the end of the day– Everybody knows somebody
• 1:22:31
  that has a horrible reaction to it.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: Everybody does.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone. And to people that say they don't– I've
• 1:22:37
  had conversations with people. I don't know anybody who had
• 1:22:38
  a side effect. I'm like, fuck you for lying. There's
• 1:22:42
  no way that's possible. Unless you are the luckiest person
• 1:22:45
  in the world and you have an extremely small social
• 1:22:48
  circle– And out of that social circle, no one had
• 1:22:52
  a bad reaction, which is very unlikely. Unless that's true,
• 1:22:56
  like you're just lying. And you're lying because you probably
• 1:23:00
  were supportive of the vaccine initially and you don't want
• 1:23:02
  to seem like you were on the wrong side of things.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I lost friends. I don't know about you because
• 1:23:07
  I– people said I hadn't been vaccinated and therefore I
• 1:23:10
  was a risk to their mom or their dad or
• 1:23:13
  their granny.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I lost a bunch of people.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: And I lost friends like that. But– I mean, in
• 1:23:18
  countries like India, they didn't have the jab. They used
• 1:23:22
  ivermectin to a far greater extent. And that was just
• 1:23:26
  as effective.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: I think I used to treat my– it's a wormer, ivermectin.
• 1:23:32
  I used to treat my cattle with ivermectin. But it
• 1:23:36
  worked well. And there were other, I think, treatments which
• 1:23:40
  worked far better.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: Do you know what happened to me in America over ivermectin?
• 1:23:44
  Are you aware of that? No, no, no. CNN like
• 1:23:47
  for days was running this hit piece on me saying
• 1:23:52
  that I was taking horse dewormer for COVID. It is
• 1:23:55
  a worm.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: But it's also– it's great for river blindness and dengue fever.
• 1:24:01
  I mean it's won the Nobel Prize for use in
• 1:24:04
  human beings. And they were claiming on CNN that I
• 1:24:07
  was taking veterinary medicine. And not only that, but they
• 1:24:10
  changed the color of my face. So they took a video.
• 1:24:13
  I was supposed to do a concert with Dave Chappelle
• 1:24:15
  that weekend in Nashville. And I had to make a
• 1:24:17
  video saying, I'm sorry, but we have to cancel it
• 1:24:19
  because I got COVID. So I said I had COVID
• 1:24:22
  like two days ago. I was sick, but I'm fine now.
• 1:24:25
  And I explained all the stuff that my doctor threw
• 1:24:27
  the kitchen sink at it. We took all these different things.
• 1:24:30
  And one of the things that I mentioned was ivermectin.
• 1:24:32
  And because of me mentioning that, I also said monoclonal antibodies, Z-Pak.
• 1:24:37
  I talked about all the different IV vitamins. I took
• 1:24:40
  a bunch of different stuff and I got better quick.
• 1:24:42
  And they took the video and changed the color of
• 1:24:45
  my face to make me look green on CNN. No.
• 1:24:49
  On CNN.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: Well, CNN is not a good channel, is it?
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know until I saw that.
• 1:24:55
  I was like, wow. I was like, do I have
• 1:24:58
  to sue CNN? Like, this is crazy.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: So is that Bill Hart's here when you're talking about
• 1:25:03
  with the eyes, the worm in the eyes? Is that
• 1:25:05
  the Bill Hart's you get from the water in Africa?
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: But river blindness, I do not know what that– I
• 1:25:11
  think it's called Bill Hart's.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: I think I may be wrong.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: You might be right. But I know they also– it's
• 1:25:16
  used to treat yellow fever, dengue fever. It's used to
• 1:25:19
  treat a bunch of different things. But it also has
• 1:25:22
  antiviral properties that have been demonstrated. Like there's papers on it.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: And it's very cheap.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: Yes. But that's the problem. The problem is anybody can
• 1:25:32
  make it. And you could buy it for like– it's
• 1:25:33
  like a dollar a pill or something like that. It's nothing. Yeah.
• 1:25:36
  And that was the real problem is that like if
• 1:25:39
  you want to have the emergency use authorization of a
• 1:25:41
  vaccine that hasn't gone through the safety protocols in America,
• 1:25:45
  you have to have no other medications that are available
• 1:25:49
  that can treat it. So the reason why they went
• 1:25:52
  after me on CNN was because clearly I was doing OK.
• 1:25:56
  It was three days later and I said I never
• 1:25:57
  got vaccinated. So here's all the stuff that I took
• 1:25:59
  and now I'm fine. And they went crazy and it
• 1:26:03
  was this concerted campaign to try to destroy me. Neil
• 1:26:06
  Young took his music off Spotify because he said that
• 1:26:11
  I was promoting vaccine misinformation. And he probably believed that.
• 1:26:14
  He probably did believe that. But he didn't know what
• 1:26:16
  the fuck he was talking about. He's another old boomer
• 1:26:19
  that just watches the news. Yes.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: Did you like his music when I was in school?
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: I loved his music.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: Didn't you?
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: I still love it. I still listen. I don't care.
• 1:26:26
  I mean I even told a story when I made
• 1:26:28
  the video about how when I was at a Neil
• 1:26:31
  Young concert– well, I was working at a Neil Young
• 1:26:33
  concert actually when I was 19. And that was the
• 1:26:35
  last day on the job because a riot broke out.
• 1:26:38
  And I was like, I'm a huge known young fan. Like,
• 1:26:40
  I don't care. He just doesn't know. Someone told him
• 1:26:42
  this or he really thinks he's doing the right thing
• 1:26:45
  by removing his music. Like, OK. But what you're doing
• 1:26:48
  is you're supporting this machine that is lying to people
• 1:26:50
  and telling people the only way to get through this
• 1:26:52
  is to get vaccinated. When, in fact, there's like Uttar
• 1:26:55
  Pradesh in India where it was just very low instances
• 1:26:59
  of COVID fatality. All of it was through ivermectin. They
• 1:27:04
  had amazing success with just ivermectin.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: But again, I think the state knows that it's caused damage.
• 1:27:10
  I just don't think they can admit it at the moment.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: No, they're not going to admit. They're never going to
• 1:27:14
  admit it. They just gloss over it and move on.
• 1:27:15
  And some of the same people that were promoting that
• 1:27:17
  shit on the news, they still deny it. They still
• 1:27:19
  deny it. And they've lost debates like Chris Cuomo got
• 1:27:22
  destroyed by my buddy Dave Smith because of it. Like
• 1:27:24
  they're in denial of like the things that they were
• 1:27:26
  actually saying. Yeah.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: It was like fluoride in water and folic acid in
• 1:27:31
  bread and all this sort of stuff.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: All that shit. It's all terrible.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: I mean it's sort of man getting high on his
• 1:27:37
  own supply, isn't it?
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: Well, it's also a business. That's the real problem is
• 1:27:41
  that there's lobbies in this country that they want to
• 1:27:46
  continue making money the same way they've been making money.
• 1:27:49
  And one of the ways they do it in America
• 1:27:51
  is they advertise– on the networks. So the pharmaceutical drug
• 1:27:56
  companies all advertise on all these networks. And they're an
• 1:27:59
  enormous part of the advertising budget. I know in England,
• 1:28:02
  that's not legal. And it's only legal in America and
• 1:28:05
  in New Zealand. Those are the only two countries that
• 1:28:07
  allow pharmaceutical drug companies to advertise on television. But what
• 1:28:10
  it effectively does is it stops all criticism of any
• 1:28:15
  side effects. There's no stories on heart attacks. There's no
• 1:28:18
  stories on strokes, no stories on myocarditis. Now, if they
• 1:28:21
  weren't advertising and then someone was making money off of
• 1:28:26
  something that was killing people, that's the news. The news
• 1:28:30
  would be all over it. But they have effectively ruined
• 1:28:33
  their own reputation by turning a blind eye on something
• 1:28:36
  that everybody knows.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: But do you think they're turning a blind eye? I
• 1:28:39
  think they know. I think they know, but they can't
• 1:28:42
  admit it.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, the people, the individuals most certainly must know someone
• 1:28:46
  who got something from COVID, from the COVID shots. Someone,
• 1:28:51
  you know, someone who had a stroke, you know, someone
• 1:28:53
  who's got a neurological condition, you know, I know way
• 1:28:56
  too many people for you to not know anybody. I
• 1:28:58
  have two people that I know that have pacemakers now.
• 1:29:01
  There's a lot of weird, horrible side effects that happen
• 1:29:05
  from that. If you don't know anybody that had one,
• 1:29:07
  I don't believe you.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I know loads. I mean, my sister-in-law had myocarditis.
• 1:29:14
  I've had a friend, my best friend had a stroke
• 1:29:16
  literally a week after having the jab. People have had
• 1:29:20
  problems with heart arrhythmia.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: All sorts of stuff. And there's been some issues with blood, too. Yeah. So, look,
• 1:29:28
  I think, as usual, money probably goes to the root
• 1:29:31
  of it, Joe.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: And we had something in Britain called the nudge team,
• 1:29:35
  which basically was, I mean, how the government thought that
• 1:29:38
  was OK. It's a bit like when I was in football,
• 1:29:39
  people were hacking my phone and thought that was OK.
• 1:29:41
  But with the nudge team, it was to nudge people
• 1:29:44
  into accepting the lockdown. And it was effectively very clever
• 1:29:50
  manipulation of the population. So, look, I mean, you can't
• 1:29:54
  believe that the state thinks that's OK. But they did.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: They did. Yeah, they did. And they did in America
• 1:30:00
  for depending on which city you were in to various extents,
• 1:30:06
  varying extents. California was bad. It was real bad. I mean,
• 1:30:10
  they closed down all the comedy clubs. They lost 70
• 1:30:13
  percent of all the restaurants in Los Angeles. I mean,
• 1:30:15
  it's crazy.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a great place to live, California. What's that?
• 1:30:19
  It's a great place to live, California.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: That's why people still tolerate it. I mean if California
• 1:30:23
  had the weather of Seattle, it would be empty.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: It would, yes.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? It's like the reason why
• 1:30:29
  people are still there is because, God, it's so amazing.
• 1:30:31
  There's so many cool people there and it's so nice
• 1:30:33
  and the weather is incredible and the views. You could
• 1:30:36
  be at the ocean and then two hours later you're
• 1:30:38
  in the mountains. I mean it's an amazing place.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: It's an amazing place.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: I went there. Filled with dumbasses. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: We're socialists, Joe. Unfortunately, it's been permeated with socialism.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: That and grifters. Grifters pretending to be socialists. They're essentially
• 1:30:51
  those people. With the wolf– with the sheep wrapped around them.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: Fabian society.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a large portion of the government in Los
• 1:30:58
  Angeles and a large portion of the government in California
• 1:31:01
  in general. And the way you know this is how
• 1:31:03
  wealthy those fucking people are and how– it doesn't make
• 1:31:06
  sense how they're so wealthy. You're making how much a
• 1:31:08
  year and you're worth how much?
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: Crime.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Crime. They're doing crime. One of the things that
• 1:31:14
  happened very recently is they just announced that the governor
• 1:31:19
  of California– One of the people on his staff had
• 1:31:21
  been wearing a wire for over a year. Did you
• 1:31:25
  see that story, Jamie? What's that? I don't know what
• 1:31:30
  they got. Well, no, I don't know what they got either.
• 1:31:33
  But this lady had been, see if you can find it,
• 1:31:36
  what it says. But she had been wearing a wire.
• 1:31:38
  She's working for the Gavin Newsom organization. And she was
• 1:31:44
  working for the administration. And she was wearing a wire
• 1:31:46
  for the FBI because they had been investigating him. And
• 1:31:49
  this was during the Biden administration they started this. So
• 1:31:52
  they started this in 2024. If they're investigating him, it's
• 1:31:56
  supposed to be like they must know that some real
• 1:31:58
  shit is going down. FBI infiltrated Gavin Newsom's inner circle
• 1:32:01
  by convincing governor's ally to wear a wire. Yeah. Not good.
• 1:32:07
  Not good.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: But I think it's the same in Chicago. You've got
• 1:32:10
  some pretty bad spots. San Francisco, I think, is not good.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of people that are profiting off of
• 1:32:17
  this idea that the government should be taking care of
• 1:32:21
  everybody and you should be making all this money from taxes.
• 1:32:24
  And then California spent $ 24 billion on the homeless and
• 1:32:27
  it just got worse. So now it's an industry. So
• 1:32:31
  now you have this homeless– taking care of the homeless
• 1:32:33
  is now an industry and there's people on the homeless
• 1:32:36
  industry board that are making hundreds of thousands of dollars
• 1:32:39
  a year and it's like What are we doing?
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: It's the same with compliance. It's the same with, as
• 1:32:43
  you say, DEI.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: There's a whole industry in the UK of people making
• 1:32:47
  vast amounts of money on compliance, DEI. Yeah. Basically wealth creation.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: Which ultimately strips personal responsibility and tries to. imbue everybody
• 1:32:59
  with a very sort of maligned philosophy, which is very
• 1:33:03
  damaging to them.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: Under the guise of being inclusive.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: And also, you're getting wealthy. How many people from these
• 1:33:10
  nonprofits are getting enormously wealthy? Like, this is insane. And
• 1:33:15
  that was one of the things that USAID clearly uncovered.
• 1:33:18
  I mean, I don't know if you've ever seen Mike
• 1:33:19
  Benz and some of his takes on it.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was shocking. I couldn't believe it.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: There's so many hours of it. It's almost like there's
• 1:33:26
  too much information to digest. I could listen to like
• 1:33:30
  an hour of it. I was like I got to
• 1:33:31
  stop because I just don't know when this ends. I'm
• 1:33:34
  not even absorbing this. I'm just so flabbergasted by the
• 1:33:37
  extent of the corruption. The amount of money that's gone
• 1:33:41
  to fraud and possibly waste over the years is just staggering.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: But it also went all over the world, didn't it? Oh, yeah.
• 1:33:49
  It was a philosophy, a poor philosophy that was being exported.
• 1:33:54
  to other countries and particularly to Britain. I mean, we
• 1:33:57
  have a presenter called Rory Stewart. His wife was being
• 1:34:00
  funded by some of this stuff, which got shut down.
• 1:34:03
  Did they shut the whole thing down? Did they leave
• 1:34:06
  a remnant of it?
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how much they've left, but essentially
• 1:34:09
  it's been shut down. Of course, if there was ever
• 1:34:13
  a Democrat that got elected president in 2028, they would
• 1:34:16
  probably start that bitch right back up, open the borders
• 1:34:19
  right back up, business as usual.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: That would not be good, Jay.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: No. It seems like there was a desire to move
• 1:34:26
  people into blue states and then eventually get them on
• 1:34:31
  social assistance and then get them to become citizens and
• 1:34:34
  then you have guaranteed voters because they– you want to
• 1:34:38
  continue this, right? You want to continue living like this? Well,
• 1:34:40
  this is the way. And then you would just completely
• 1:34:42
  take over the presidential elections. And I think they were
• 1:34:45
  trying to do that. This is Elon's perspective and I
• 1:34:47
  think he's right. And he's obviously much more aware of
• 1:34:51
  the problem in terms of like the extent that USAID
• 1:34:54
  was involved and these nonprofits and NGOs were involved. It
• 1:34:58
  seems like there was a concerted effort to do this
• 1:35:01
  and it's disturbing.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: But again, a lack of respect for taxpayer funds, which
• 1:35:06
  is what we have in the UK. I mean we
• 1:35:08
  need your help. At the moment, you've got– at least
• 1:35:11
  you're making a stab at returning to some form of normality.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: For now, but if we don't fuck it– I mean
• 1:35:16
  we might have fucked it up by going to Iran.
• 1:35:18
  I mean this war is not something anybody that's conservative wanted.
• 1:35:23
  Most people don't want it except supporters of Israel. They're
• 1:35:25
  the only people that seem to be thinking it's a
• 1:35:28
  good idea in this country. Most people are horrified by
• 1:35:31
  the idea because Trump was elected. One of the pillars
• 1:35:35
  that he stood for apparently was that he doesn't want
• 1:35:38
  any more wars.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I came out against it on the basis for
• 1:35:42
  us of realpolitik, which is it wasn't in the interest
• 1:35:45
  of the British nation. And I think, again, most of
• 1:35:48
  these leaders should put the interests of their taxpaying public first.
• 1:35:54
  And there's only a reason to go to war if
• 1:35:56
  it's going to benefit you. And it was difficult to
• 1:35:59
  see what the benefit was. Although I think Iran is
• 1:36:04
  a sort of malevolent state and it is spreading... very
• 1:36:08
  bad philosophy across, obviously, you know, you've got Hezbollah in Lebanon,
• 1:36:14
  and then we've got Hamas causing a problem. So I
• 1:36:17
  think there are a problem, but certainly from our point
• 1:36:21
  of view, I mean, you're the only country with the
• 1:36:24
  ability to do anything about it. I mean, we had
• 1:36:27
  one warship, which didn't work properly when it was sent
• 1:36:31
  out to help. So I mean, goodness knows we've spent
• 1:36:34
  all our money on welfare and not enough money on defense. So, no,
• 1:36:39
  we need help. And I think, to your point, Elon
• 1:36:43
  Musk has been, to my mind, incredibly helpful in restoring
• 1:36:48
  free speech because Starmer and these Fabians, Fabian Pabloist Haldane Society,
• 1:36:56
  as I call them, they're sort of all, they've all
• 1:36:58
  got this malign philosophy. And I think what, giving us
• 1:37:02
  free speech has done is it's stopped them crushing the
• 1:37:06
  spirit of those people who do want to debate, who
• 1:37:09
  do want to discuss, who do want to get at
• 1:37:10
  the truth.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: However, they've done so much to stop free speech with
• 1:37:14
  all these arrests.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: It's extraordinary.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: Because they've also, they've incentivized people to keep their mouth
• 1:37:18
  shut because no one wants to be in trouble.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: Well, it's two-tier policing. You've got, to your point about,
• 1:37:24
  you know, the Palestinian marches are tolerated, whereas any form
• 1:37:28
  of Tommy Robinson march. And Tommy Robinson in the UK,
• 1:37:34
  he's deeply disliked by the establishment. I give him credit
• 1:37:38
  for what he did. Again, on the grooming gangs in 2003,
• 1:37:41
  he was warning about this in 2003 in Luton.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: Not only that, I remember people dismissing that in 2003
• 1:37:49
  or 2004, whenever it was when I first heard about it.
• 1:37:52
  They were talking about him as if he was just horrible,
• 1:37:55
  far-right extremist.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: And that he was making up these stories about these
• 1:38:01
  grooming gangs and rape gangs. I remember hearing that. I
• 1:38:04
  remember not knowing, like, what is it? What's accurate here?
• 1:38:07
  What's going on?
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the accuracy is that he was right.
• 1:38:11
  The establishment didn't want to admit it because if we're right, well,
• 1:38:16
  I think we are right about their multicultural post-war experiment.
• 1:38:20
  They realized it was failing because you can't justify... the
• 1:38:25
  sort of abuse and grooming of the most vulnerable people
• 1:38:28
  in your society. by people who have come into the country.
• 1:38:32
  They should be treated equally under the law.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: Rape is a rape.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter whether it's perpetrated by somebody from a
• 1:38:39
  Muslim country or a Christian country. Rape is rape and
• 1:38:42
  it should be treated the same.
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  Speaker 1: What would you do to stop this? Like imagine if
• 1:38:46
  you got into power right now. What would you do?
• 1:38:50
  To put a stop to that.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: But we have to root it out and we have
• 1:38:53
  to stop it.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: How do you root it out?
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: We have to apply the law, the law of our
• 1:38:57
  land to the people who are perpetrating it. The problem
• 1:39:00
  is the police have institutionally been taught that they are racist.
• 1:39:06
  And we had the Stephen Lawrence killing, which didn't reflect
• 1:39:10
  well in the UK. But the response to it has
• 1:39:13
  created this fear of being called a racist.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: Which is the Stephen Lawrence killing?
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: Stephen Lawrence's killing, I think it was in the late 90s.
• 1:39:21
  He was stabbed by some sort of British miscreants.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: And where was he from?
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: He died. It was in London.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: Where was Stephen Lawrence from?
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: Well, he was a black.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. So it's a racial hate crime?
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a racial hate crime. Okay.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: And this was in the 90s?
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: And it was blown up. And again, you find that
• 1:39:39
  the racial hate crime involving any white people is now
• 1:39:41
  blown up, whereas the very often and increasingly common acts
• 1:39:48
  against the indigenous white people are hushed up as much
• 1:39:51
  as they possibly can be.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: That's a funny thing to say, indigenous white people. Yeah.
• 1:39:56
  I mean, it is real for England. But I mean,
• 1:39:58
  nobody thinks about that in America. You would never say
• 1:40:01
  like indigenous white people.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: Well, we do have an identity. Yes, of course.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: There's a reason why everyone's so pale.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We do have an identity.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: It really is indigenous.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: As I say, we've been very tolerant of people who've
• 1:40:14
  needed help. We've let them into the country. And on
• 1:40:17
  the whole, they have integrated and they have contributed. And
• 1:40:19
  I have no problem with that. Like you, I'm absolutely
• 1:40:22
  in favor of that.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: The only problem is the people that aren't integrating.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: If people don't want to come and live and integrate
• 1:40:28
  and contribute, then they shouldn't come. They should remain in
• 1:40:32
  their own country.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: It's also the idea of incentivizing people to illegally migrate
• 1:40:36
  to your country is just pure insanity. You're going to
• 1:40:39
  run out of money. And you're also putting a burden
• 1:40:41
  on these taxpayers for no reason whatsoever. It's a bad
• 1:40:44
  use of their tax dollars.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: But in our immigration document, we put forward the case
• 1:40:48
  for basically a hostile environment. We don't want to be
• 1:40:53
  handing out welfare. We don't want to be encouraging people
• 1:40:57
  to come. We want to create a hostile environment and
• 1:41:01
  encourage people to go unless they're contributing to go back
• 1:41:04
  to their own country and live there, particularly if they
• 1:41:06
  don't like our culture and our laws and they don't
• 1:41:09
  respect us and they think we're the infidel.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: But do laws exist that would allow you to deport
• 1:41:15
  those people?
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: Well, you'd have to repeal. So that's why it's so
• 1:41:19
  important we win an overall majority in parliament by 29
• 1:41:23
  because then we can repeal a lot of this legislation,
• 1:41:27
  which will then empower the nation state again.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: So this is the legislation that provides health care, dental, welfare, housing.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: To these people. This is legislation largely passed by Tony
• 1:41:40
  Blair and his acolytes.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: And this was all just to encourage mass migration.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: I think it was to encourage this mass immigration and
• 1:41:48
  make it very difficult to stop it practically. Interestingly, he's
• 1:41:52
  quite crafty because he came out the other day trying
• 1:41:55
  to distance himself from a lot of the things that
• 1:41:58
  he has actually created. So he's quite a canny old fox.
• 1:42:03
  And he does look, he looks a bit like Beelzebub
• 1:42:05
  these days. I mean, he's got this white hair and
• 1:42:07
  these piercing sort of eyes. I can't help look at
• 1:42:11
  him and think of evil. But But look, so he ultimately,
• 1:42:16
  I think him and his team realized what they were doing.
• 1:42:20
  And it was all done through the law. You have
• 1:42:23
  to do in a country that believes in the rule
• 1:42:26
  of law, the only way to change it is through
• 1:42:30
  control of parliament. So you have to do it top
• 1:42:33
  down through the parliamentary system so that you can repeal
• 1:42:36
  the laws and you can pass the laws you want
• 1:42:38
  to pass to empower the nation state. And at the
• 1:42:41
  same time, which we're doing You need to start controlling
• 1:42:44
  local government as well because local government has gone badly wrong.
• 1:42:47
  And a lot of the failures from the rape gang
• 1:42:50
  inquiry weren't just the national government. You had failure at
• 1:42:54
  local government as well.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: So are the local government willfully ignorant? Are they denying
• 1:42:59
  its existence? Are they gaslighting people on it?
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. In the case of labor, they've enabled it. They–
• 1:43:05
  I say– I can't see how anybody can ever vote
• 1:43:10
  Labour again after they've read this report because Labour has
• 1:43:12
  clearly enabled this, both at national level by denying what's
• 1:43:17
  been going on and at local level where you have
• 1:43:20
  local government. It happens mainly in Labour-controlled areas. You've got
• 1:43:26
  people denying completely that this has been happening, whereas we
• 1:43:30
  know it's happening. We have people like Sammy Woodhouse who's
• 1:43:33
  a victim of it who had a child by her rapist. Ultimately,
• 1:43:39
  local government has to be controlled from the bottom up.
• 1:43:42
  And we started that process. We won nine out of
• 1:43:46
  nine county council seats in Norfolk. So my constituency is
• 1:43:49
  on the coast in England. So it's a coastal constituency.
• 1:43:54
  Been very badly served by the post-war elite. So the
• 1:43:57
  fishermen in England have been sold down the river largely
• 1:44:00
  to the European fishermen as part of the membership of
• 1:44:03
  the EU. So Norfolk is a county on the east coast.
• 1:44:09
  It's got rich farmland, and farming is my passion. I
• 1:44:12
  love farming. It's my hobby, and I love it. So
• 1:44:17
  at the end of the day, we have to control
• 1:44:19
  local government and change it bottom up, and we have
• 1:44:21
  to then get control of national government and change it
• 1:44:24
  top down. And if we can do that, Joe, I
• 1:44:28
  truly think we can release the spirit of the British people,
• 1:44:31
  and I think they want it. But they've got to
• 1:44:34
  show to the ballot box that that's what they want.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: I'd imagine there's going to be an enormous amount of
• 1:44:38
  resistance to this kind of huge change.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: From organized crime, which I think we're now in the
• 1:44:44
  hands of, from a corrupt judiciary, from a police force
• 1:44:48
  that's gone wrong, from local government that's gone wrong, the
• 1:44:52
  NHS has gone wrong again. It's a state monopoly, and
• 1:44:56
  its original function, I think, has been subverted. So you've
• 1:45:03
  got everything. To your point, the education system is wrong.
• 1:45:05
  So there's a lot of change that needs to happen.
• 1:45:08
  But I think fundamentally, the electorate, you saw them in
• 1:45:13
  2016 vote to take back their sovereignty. The government wrote
• 1:45:16
  a letter to all the households in the UK recommending
• 1:45:21
  they vote to remain in the European Union. This is
• 1:45:23
  David Cameron. But actually, the British people didn't. They voted
• 1:45:27
  to leave. And they didn't do it, I think, for
• 1:45:30
  financial reasons. They did it because they wanted their country back.
• 1:45:33
  They wanted their sovereignty back. They wanted an accountable parliament
• 1:45:36
  in Westminster. And some of our problems emanate from the
• 1:45:39
  fact that Tony Blair's reforms have undermined our parliament. So
• 1:45:44
  our parliament is supposed to be omnipotent. It's supposed to
• 1:45:47
  be completely contained in the elected representatives of the people.
• 1:45:52
  So parliament is supposed to be right at the top
• 1:45:55
  of the chain. But what's happened is it's been undermined
• 1:45:58
  by these quangos that Tony Blair set up, which is
• 1:46:01
  effectively created at the life of the rent, so the
• 1:46:03
  Supreme Court. And literally, there are hundreds of these quangos
• 1:46:07
  that now employ unelected people.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: What is that word, quango?
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: Well, quango is like a quasi-national government organization. So they are,
• 1:46:18
  you know, you've got all sorts of bodies, you know,
• 1:46:21
  the sort of Bar Standards Board, you've got, loads of
• 1:46:25
  bodies which now prevail. You know, you've got bodies on
• 1:46:29
  almost everything, which again have flourished since Tony Blair's legislation.
• 1:46:33
  Prior to that, power lay with Parliament. So that's why
• 1:46:39
  they've been able to control a lot of what goes on,
• 1:46:42
  because the two-party system, the Blues and the Reds, the
• 1:46:45
  Tories and Labour, basically have tried to out-compete each other.
• 1:46:50
  So the entire Parliament, Blair took it left, Cameron emulated Blair,
• 1:46:56
  and you didn't actually get proper conservative thought to change
• 1:47:02
  a lot of this stuff that was wrong. So I
• 1:47:04
  think this is an opportunity, and I think it's our
• 1:47:08
  last opportunity, and all the help we can get from
• 1:47:13
  you guys. I mean, we made a bad mistake in
• 1:47:15
  letting you declare your independence, which you're celebrating tomorrow in
• 1:47:18
  the first place.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: Bad mistake.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: Had we played our cards better, I think you'd still
• 1:47:22
  be– you should still be part of– I.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: Think it worked out.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: It's worked out pretty well for you. I think we're
• 1:47:28
  better off. Not so well for us. Sorry.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: But I think we're better off.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: But I do want to see– I do want to
• 1:47:33
  see– Otherwise, it would be under your laws. Well, I
• 1:47:36
  do want to see the Anglo-Saxon world support each other.
• 1:47:39
  I think there's not enough of that. We're too fragmented.
• 1:47:42
  There's too much sort of– whether it's the World Economic Forum,
• 1:47:46
  as I said, whatever the reason, there's too much fragmentation
• 1:47:49
  and too much undermining of this cohesive Anglo-Saxon world, which,
• 1:47:55
  let's face it, is the reason why we all have
• 1:47:58
  individual freedom. Because, as we said earlier, individual freedom is
• 1:48:01
  incredibly fragile. And we could lose it at any minute, Joe.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, the society that, you know, the way we
• 1:48:08
  look at America when people look at it the right way,
• 1:48:12
  Or when people are proud of America, they look at
• 1:48:14
  it as a place where anybody can come and achieve
• 1:48:17
  your dreams. And it doesn't mean. only white people. It
• 1:48:21
  doesn't mean only black people. It just means Americans. We're
• 1:48:24
  supposed to be a community, a team. And the fact
• 1:48:27
  that we're a melting pot, that we're not like indigenous
• 1:48:30
  white people like England is part of the fun of
• 1:48:33
  it all, that everyone's welcome. Just come over here and
• 1:48:36
  do your thing and follow the rules. But the problem
• 1:48:40
  with this country is the problem with any country when
• 1:48:43
  you're being run by people that are completely corrupt and
• 1:48:46
  you're being run by people that are influenced by enormous
• 1:48:49
  corporations that don't care about the people. They only care
• 1:48:52
  about the bottom line, how much money they're making and
• 1:48:55
  how do they rig things. And then you have politicians
• 1:48:58
  that are making $ 170, 000 a year but they're somehow worth
• 1:49:01
  $ 400 million. And no one questions it. No one is
• 1:49:04
  in jail. The whole thing is bonkers. And it's just–
• 1:49:07
  you're always going to have crooks. And you got to
• 1:49:09
  hold them off. You got to hold them off as
• 1:49:11
  much as possible. When you recognize they're in, you got
• 1:49:13
  to do a cleaning. You got to clean house. You
• 1:49:15
  got to clean house and get rid of them. If
• 1:49:17
  you don't, you're just going to have the problems. It's
• 1:49:19
  going to get worse because they're going to figure out, okay,
• 1:49:21
  it's just like antibiotics when you don't take the full
• 1:49:23
  round and the stuff doesn't really go down. You said, no,
• 1:49:26
  now you got medication resistant bacteria. Congratulations. Your medication has
• 1:49:31
  made the bacteria worse. So if you fight off the
• 1:49:34
  corruption a little bit and then you stop, They go, oh, well,
• 1:49:38
  we got up. We were close. We almost figured it
• 1:49:41
  all out and got it all rigged. But now we've
• 1:49:44
  got to make sure that we lock people down and
• 1:49:45
  have even more laws, even more restrictions.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: You've summed up what we need to do in the
• 1:49:52
  UK very well. I mean we are, I think, in
• 1:49:54
  the hands of organized crime. I think a lot of
• 1:49:56
  the institutions that we had previously have become rotten.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: I think it's the right way to recognize it too.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: It's in the– and to your point, we do need
• 1:50:05
  to now punish people who have let us down.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: It's crime. It really is crime. And to just pretend
• 1:50:11
  because it's been going on for so long and that
• 1:50:13
  it's business as usual that it's not a crime. Like, no,
• 1:50:16
  it's crime. It's crime. It's just somehow or another crime
• 1:50:19
  that's tolerated.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: Well, letting down people who have elected you and given
• 1:50:25
  their trust to you is a massive crime.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: It's, it's not just letting down, betraying them.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, we, we have the same as you, but
• 1:50:32
  to a lesser extent, because you, you've obviously got far
• 1:50:34
  more wealth than us, but I, you see these officials, uh,
• 1:50:38
  who end up becoming rich and you wonder how they
• 1:50:42
  do it.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: And they're on salaries and they're taxed heavily. And yet
• 1:50:45
  they always seem to flourish. They never seem to be
• 1:50:47
  short of money. So I, I, I, and I look
• 1:50:50
  at our judiciary, which is again, now a quango, the judges, um,
• 1:50:55
  are no longer appointed by Parliament. They're appointed by this
• 1:50:58
  woke quanger. And I had an issue in Parliament. I
• 1:51:04
  challenged Parliament because, to the point where I've been saying
• 1:51:08
  we need to return power to Parliament, they have this
• 1:51:12
  body called the ICGS, Independent Complaint Agreement Scheme. And in Parliament,
• 1:51:18
  we have this system called parliamentary privilege. So I can
• 1:51:21
  speak on the floor of the House and I can't
• 1:51:23
  be sued for light but you can say whatever you
• 1:51:25
  want that's the essence of free speech in the chamber
• 1:51:28
  of the commons now this body has actually been expressly
• 1:51:33
  taken outside parliament and the case I had against them
• 1:51:37
  was they tried to say I couldn't I caught them
• 1:51:40
  doing something I thought was wrong and I wanted to
• 1:51:41
  take them to court they said you can't take us
• 1:51:44
  to court because we're parliamentary privileged even though it doesn't
• 1:51:47
  it's not the chamber it's not an MP speaking it's
• 1:51:50
  got no MPs on this committee it doesn't report to
• 1:51:53
  a parliamentary committee and yet The judge found they had
• 1:51:56
  parliamentary privilege. Didn't address the questions. So this is how
• 1:52:01
  the elected assembly has been undermined. And this is what
• 1:52:05
  we have to– we have to return power to the
• 1:52:07
  elected representatives of the people.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: There's also another thing that Britain has done recently that's
• 1:52:13
  very disturbing, which is eliminate jury trials for a lot
• 1:52:16
  of crimes.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: They're trying to do that. They're trying to do that.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: So it's not established yet?
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: They haven't yet done it because there is– There are
• 1:52:25
  still a few decent labor MPs who fought against it.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, good.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: But again, I think that's all a manifestation of organized
• 1:52:34
  crime because if you control the judges.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: And you can force more and more people through a
• 1:52:42
  judge system rather than a jury system. And so for
• 1:52:46
  libel trials, I fought a libel trial when I was
• 1:52:49
  in football against the Times, which is Rupert Murdoch's paper. And,
• 1:52:55
  you know, I think I had my phones hacked and
• 1:52:58
  I fought a libel trial against them.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: So the newspaper hacked your phone?
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: When I was in football, they were hacking my phone
• 1:53:04
  every day.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: How were they doing it?
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: Listening in through my voicemails.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: How'd they do it?
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: And then they can blag a number from the voicemail
• 1:53:11
  and start listening. So if you called me and left
• 1:53:13
  a message, they could blag your number off my phone.
• 1:53:16
  And they thought this was okay. These were national newspapers.
• 1:53:19
  And again, I want to.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: How did they get into your voicemail?
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: Well, because they... In the old days, if people had
• 1:53:24
  a code to encrypt their phone and they didn't do
• 1:53:28
  it properly, so we had 0, 0, 0, 0. If
• 1:53:31
  you didn't change that, they got into your phone. So
• 1:53:33
  they got into my phone. They got into lots of
• 1:53:35
  people's phones. Because you never know quite how they did it.
• 1:53:38
  So if you'd left me a message, they could blag
• 1:53:40
  your number. And then they'd start listening to your phone
• 1:53:43
  and everything else. Now, I think that was, in this case, Murdoch.
• 1:53:47
  But Murdoch, I think, has done a lot. for the
• 1:53:50
  right wing cause. I don't always agree with everything. And
• 1:53:52
  I certainly didn't agree with him hacking phones. But this
• 1:53:55
  all goes to the point of the establishment becoming corrupted.
• 1:54:01
  And from corruption, I think, again, you end up with oppression.
• 1:54:08
  And we need to sort that out. And I'm hoping
• 1:54:11
  if I put myself up and the people agree, they
• 1:54:14
  will change things. And I think they are in a
• 1:54:15
  febrile mood. So I'm hoping that they will take the
• 1:54:18
  opportunity and give us the power to do it.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that part up because we're not
• 1:54:23
  really aware in America of what the general mood of
• 1:54:26
  the country is, like where people are leaning and what
• 1:54:29
  direction as far as England goes. What is it like?
• 1:54:34
  Is a large percentage of the population fed up? I mean,
• 1:54:37
  what's going on over there?
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I think to your point, you've got this body
• 1:54:42
  of people who are profiting on the back of these
• 1:54:45
  concepts which are you and I would agree, are completely flawed.
• 1:54:49
  So they're obviously in control at the moment. But then
• 1:54:53
  you've got the body of people, this increasingly small percentage
• 1:54:57
  of what I call the private sector, which now accounts
• 1:55:00
  for a smaller and smaller proportion of GDP. So your
• 1:55:05
  percentage of GDP accounted for by the state is much,
• 1:55:09
  much smaller than ours. So directly and indirectly, I would
• 1:55:15
  estimate that our The share of government now in our
• 1:55:19
  economy is over 50% if you take the effect of
• 1:55:23
  these quangos and everything else. Here, you're much smaller than that. Now,
• 1:55:27
  that's come pre-Blair. Thatcher, we were in a very, very
• 1:55:33
  good economic state and the state accounted for 30%, 33%,
• 1:55:38
  something like that. It's now up to nearly 50% and rising.
• 1:55:42
  And this is what the Fabians want. They want a
• 1:55:45
  dependency culture. a sort of centrally planned USSR-style dishing out
• 1:55:52
  of taxpayer funds. So they've diminished the private sector, which
• 1:55:56
  they're taxing into oblivion, which has meant that a lot
• 1:55:59
  of our most able people have left the country. So
• 1:56:01
  we've lost a lot of our rainmakers have gone. So
• 1:56:05
  a lot of our best people went to, obviously, Italy,
• 1:56:08
  to Dubai, to Abu Dhabi, all over the world. Some
• 1:56:12
  of them would have come here. So the best brains
• 1:56:15
  have gone. And I think the non-doms have gone, which
• 1:56:20
  again I think is a huge error because they've now
• 1:56:22
  been taxed rather than being encouraged to spend their time
• 1:56:25
  in the UK. So we're being hollowed out by this
• 1:56:31
  socialist philosophy which is creating damage to the private sector
• 1:56:38
  and empowering the public sector.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: Is there a large percentage of young people that are
• 1:56:44
  aware of this?
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, the young people have I've been incredibly impressed, and
• 1:56:49
  a lot of them support us. So they can see
• 1:56:53
  that we're trying, I think, to at least rebalance this.
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  And until we get this right, it's going to be
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  very difficult to sort their situation out. Now, there's no
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  overnight fix these days, and I don't think any of
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  us know quite what effect AI is going to have
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  on the employment market, on opportunities for young people. I mean,
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  in many ways, if they've got a very good brain,
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  they've got a huge opportunity to do very well and
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  enrich themselves. But increasingly, it's fewer and fewer people. It's
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  not like the Industrial Revolution, where the majority of people
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  had an increasing standard of living. It's going to be
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  very interesting to see how we all cope with this
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  incredibly fast-moving revolution, which is what it is, which is
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  which is arguably going to create some incredibly rich people.
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  And those people who haven't got the brainpower will end
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  up struggling. So it's hard to see how that's going
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  to end. But that doesn't mean to say we want
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  a state central planning everything. We know historically that doesn't work.
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  And from that comes a sort of shutdown of thought
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  and debate and free speech and all the things that
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  you and I love. I mean, to me, that's a
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  country I want to live in. I don't want to
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  live in a centrally planned mess. So we're in very
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  uncertain times, but I'm optimistic that if you release the ability,
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  the innate ability of people, in Britain in particular in
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  this case, I think we can turn it around still.
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  Can't guarantee it, but I'm pretty sure we can still
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  turn it around. But it's got to happen now. If
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  it doesn't happen now, it would have gone too far.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I certainly hope you can, because for America, when
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  we see what's happening, particularly with the social media posts
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  and the arrests, it's so disturbing for us. And then,
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  of course, with the rape gang inquiry report, it was
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  impossible to believe. It's impossible. So, you know, we hope
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  you guys turn it around. And when is your elections?
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  Speaker 2: We don't know, Joe. We've got this character, Andy Burnham,
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  who Keir Starmer has stepped down, as you probably know.
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  Andy Burnham, I call him the Ghostbuster. He is just
• 1:59:20
  a more user-friendly version of Keir Starmer. He's been the
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  mayor of Manchester. He stood in a by-election recently where
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  he was elected. And he's apparently going to be anointed
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  as prime minister by the 20th of July. So this
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  is a guy who up until recently wasn't even an
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  elected politician. He's been a politician in the past. He's
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  been in the cabinet.
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  Speaker 1: Keir Starmer can just step down and put another guy
• 1:59:50
  in his place and that guy takes over?
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  Speaker 2: That's what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds crazy. I know. What a story. Stupid way
• 1:59:57
  to run things.
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  Speaker 2: It's bonkers. So the answer to your question is it
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  could run until 29.
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  Speaker 1: 29.
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  Speaker 2: That's the backstop date. He could, and everybody says he might,
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  have a snap election. I think that's highly unlikely. Labour
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  have got the biggest post-war majority.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: Why would he have a snap election?
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  Speaker 2: He's got three years left with a huge majority. So
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  why would he take a risk? In Manchester, he was
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  Manchester mayor.
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  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 2: He's actually in the report, in the rape gang report.
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  He's mentioned in the rape gang report for not doing
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  enough in Manchester, which is a centre of rape gangs.
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  So he's involved in that. He's mentioned in our report.
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  It's in there. So, look, I think in answer to
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  your question, when's the election going to be, some people
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  would say he's going to have an election soon. I
• 2:00:49
  don't agree with that. I think he'd be mad because
• 2:00:53
  I still think the public... We'll judge labor harshly because
• 2:00:58
  the economy is not going well. People aren't feeling richer.
• 2:01:01
  They're feeling poorer. Their businesses are struggling. Their taxes have
• 2:01:04
  gone up. Our taxes are at post-war highs now. And
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  the waste is just off the scale. So when I'm
• 2:01:12
  in the Public Accounts Committee, which I sit in, again,
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  it's all on– you can watch it on– people watch
• 2:01:17
  it on screens. It's the Public Accounts Committee. It's the
• 2:01:20
  most powerful committee in parliament. And we question these civil servants.
• 2:01:24
  to try and hold them to account for the taxpayer.
• 2:01:27
  The waste is just off the scale. So you've got
• 2:01:30
  a wasteful, inefficient state, which is then taxing the private
• 2:01:34
  sector into oblivion, the increasingly small private sector. And that's
• 2:01:39
  not a recipe that's going to encourage risk-taking investment. They're
• 2:01:45
  taxing family farms. They're taxing family businesses for the first time.
• 2:01:49
  They're basically breaking the backbone of Britain. To the Fabian point,
• 2:01:53
  they are they are enacting this fabian agenda which is
• 2:01:56
  designed to create a a society that's reliant on the
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  state i don't want i don't want that.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody should want that well listen man thank you very
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  much for being here i really appreciate it i really
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  appreciate you uh taking the time i know it's difficult
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  to get here for this day and this is the
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  only day we had open so.
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  Speaker 2: No it's very kind of you to have me on
• 2:02:14
  joe and i know it's it's some big celebrations tomorrow
• 2:02:17
  so good luck to you yeah we're gonna win we're
• 2:02:19
  gonna i'm i'm amazed at the support we've got and
• 2:02:22
  um I'm amazed at the number of people who, even
• 2:02:25
  on the plane, come up to me and thank me
• 2:02:28
  for what I'm doing and say they're going to vote
• 2:02:29
  for us. And I think Britain's on the turn. And hopefully,
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  if we put up shop, tell them what we're going
• 2:02:38
  to do, give them a chance to vote for us.
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  If they vote for us, I shall do my best
• 2:02:42
  to change things. If they don't vote for me, well,
• 2:02:44
  that's their prerogative. That's democracy. That's democracy.
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  Speaker 1: Good luck, sir.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: Bye. Bye. Bye.