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The Kenny Report | 2 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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  Speaker 2: Kenny Report Tonight, Should America be telling us how much
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  Speaker 2: to spend on defense?
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  Speaker 1: And do we need to lift our game more?
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  Speaker 2: Anti Jewish violence rocks America as too many people spread
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  Speaker 2: too many lies about Israel. I'll give you my insights
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  Speaker 2: after spending last week in Israel as well. Also, a
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  Speaker 2: Paris team wins a soccer match and the city descends
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  Speaker 2: into violence. What's going on? And with Gematon Uni and
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  Speaker 2: Caroline de Russo will talk politics and why.
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  Speaker 1: They're still pushing COVID jabs.
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  Speaker 2: Special thanks to Dnika de Giorgio for holding the fort
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  Speaker 2: last week. Let's get cracking. This country needs to spend
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  Speaker 2: more on defense. Even more important than that, we need
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  Speaker 2: to spend what we do spend better and more wisely,
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  Speaker 2: we've wasted too much with poor decisions, delayed decisions, and
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  Speaker 2: changed decisions on equipment. And our armed forces are struggling
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  Speaker 2: not only to recruit the people they need, but also
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  Speaker 2: to retain the people they've already trained. So we've got
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  Speaker 2: a crisis in defense at a time when the strategic
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  Speaker 2: circumstances in our region are gravely worrying. Just listen to
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  Speaker 2: the US Defense Secretary in Singapore on the weekend. Any
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  Speaker 2: attempt by communists China to conquer Taiwan by force would
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  Speaker 2: result in devastating consequences for the Indo Pacific and the world.
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  Speaker 1: There's no reason to sugarcoat it.
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  Speaker 3: The threat China poses is real and it could be eminent.
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  Speaker 1: We hope not, but it certainly could be.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's alarming. And whether you think it's diplomatic wise
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  Speaker 2: or not to talk like that, no one could possibly
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  Speaker 2: disagree with Hegseth's assessment. The issue of Shijiping and Taiwan
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  Speaker 2: is the big question for our region and our time.
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  Speaker 2: But Hegseth was out of telling Australia how much we
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  Speaker 2: need to spend on defense. He's told our Defense Minister,
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  Speaker 2: Richard Marles that our defense spend needs to be almost
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  Speaker 2: doubled up to three and a half percent of GDP
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  Speaker 2: from just under two percent at the moment.
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  Speaker 4: What you should do in defense has decide what you need,
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  Speaker 4: your capability, and then provide for it. That's what my
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  Speaker 4: government's doing now.
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  Speaker 2: The point is that we should decide how much we
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  Speaker 2: spend on defense, not America and we shouldn't be pushed around,
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  Speaker 2: even by our greatest ally. But the trouble is there's
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  Speaker 2: more than a grain of truth coming from the Trump administration.
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  Speaker 2: We need to do much better in this country to
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  Speaker 2: look after our own interests and carry our weight as
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  Speaker 2: a security partner.
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  Speaker 5: We should increase our defense spending, not because our American
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  Speaker 5: friends have asked her to do so, but because it's
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  Speaker 5: in our national interest to do so.
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  Speaker 1: Now, defense spending is increasing.
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  Speaker 2: The Albanese government expects it to top two point three
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  Speaker 2: percent of GDP, but not for another eight years. Yet,
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  Speaker 2: there's a long way to go before ourse spending, quantity
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  Speaker 2: and quality is anywhere near sufficient to give us the
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  Speaker 2: national security that we need and deserve. Just on the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister, do you remember when he was dealing with
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  Speaker 2: a downgraded cyclone in Queensland and the resultant flooding.
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  Speaker 1: In the lead up to the election. Remember he blamed
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  Speaker 1: it on climate change.
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  Speaker 4: What we know the science tells us that there would
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  Speaker 4: be more extreme weather events, they would be more frequent,
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  Speaker 4: and they'd be more intense. I think anyone who looks
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  Speaker 4: at the science knows that that is what is occurring.
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  Speaker 4: So you can't say this event is just because of
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  Speaker 4: climate change. What you can say is that climate change
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  Speaker 4: is having an impact on our weather patterns.
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  Speaker 2: Now I called this out at the time. It's factually incorrect.
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  Speaker 2: It's climate alarmist piffle, and too many politicians are allowed
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  Speaker 2: to get away with it too often. In fact, most
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  Speaker 2: media are just as bad on climate alarmism, in ignoring
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  Speaker 2: scientific records in favor of exaggeration. Well, today, less than
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  Speaker 2: three months after blaming those floods on climate change, Albanezi
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  Speaker 2: was in South Australia focusing on severe drought that's affecting
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  Speaker 2: that state along with large parts of Victoria and New
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  Speaker 2: South Wales, and you guessed it, this too was blamed
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  Speaker 2: on climate change.
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  Speaker 4: Australia has always had droughts, We've always had flooding rains
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  Speaker 4: and that has occurred throughout our history on this great
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  Speaker 4: continent that we're is to live on. But the truth
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  Speaker 4: is that there are more extreme weather events and they're
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  Speaker 4: more intent now. The science told us that that was
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  Speaker 4: the case. The science has been proven, unfortunately to be
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  Speaker 4: playing out, so we need to adjust to that.
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  Speaker 2: Again, he's plain wrong. We're not having more droughts. They
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  Speaker 2: are not more severe. The PM is spreading unscientific nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: Floods are climate change, he says, and droughts are climate change.
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  Speaker 1: Too, he says.
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  Speaker 2: The only weather he doesn't blame on climate change is
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  Speaker 2: lovely sunny days. The data shows that neither droughts nor
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  Speaker 2: floods are any worse or any more frequent than they've
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  Speaker 2: always been. That's not to say they might not get worse.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see, and let's listen to the scientists. But in
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  Speaker 2: the meantime, let's not pretend what pretend for the sake
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  Speaker 2: of alarmism, or pretend for the sake of politics.
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  Speaker 1: How about we just stick to the facts.
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  Speaker 2: Once again, we've seen horrific anti Israeli or anti Semitic violence.
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  Speaker 2: There seems to be little distinction between the two anymore.
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  Speaker 2: This time in the US in Bolder, Colorado, six people
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  Speaker 2: were injured in a fire bombing. People literally set on
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  Speaker 2: fire for daring to join a protest demanding the release
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  Speaker 2: of Israel's hostages, people held hostage by Hamas for more
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  Speaker 2: than six hundred days now. Yet the price of this
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  Speaker 2: peaceful protest was a fire attack by a man yelling
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  Speaker 2: free Palestine.
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  Speaker 5: US, or we can't do when he got park fails.
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  Speaker 2: The FBI are calling this a terror attack, and the
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  Speaker 2: alleged assailant, forty five year old Muhammaded Solomon, is in custody.
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  Speaker 1: This comes after two Israelis.
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  Speaker 2: Were shot dead in cold blood in Washington, DC last month.
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  Speaker 2: A young couple murdered simply for being Israeli. We've seen
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  Speaker 2: firebombings here in Australia, of course, fire bombings of cars,
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  Speaker 2: a synagogue and a childcare center, and we've seen threats
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  Speaker 2: against Israelis, celebrations of their slaughter, and regular intimidation of
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  Speaker 2: Jewish Australians at protests. It's time that those who promote
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  Speaker 2: lies and misleading narratives, and who shout horrible lines, it's
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  Speaker 2: time that they stop to think about the possible consequences
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  Speaker 2: of their actions.
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  Speaker 1: There is one evil entity in.
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  Speaker 2: The current Middle East conflict, and it's not Israel or
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  Speaker 2: the Jewish people, and it's not the Palestinian people.
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  Speaker 1: The evil here is Hummus.
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  Speaker 2: And anyone say or doing anything that either legitimizes Hummus
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  Speaker 2: or gives sukker to these Islamist terrorists or their death
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  Speaker 2: cult ideology, well, anyone who does that is being reckless.
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  Speaker 1: It's not okay to shout river to the sea.
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  Speaker 2: Echoing the Hummus slogan about eliminating Israel and all Jews
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  Speaker 2: from the Middle East.
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  Speaker 1: If you do that, you are part of the problem.
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  Speaker 2: It's not okay to scream about Israeli genocide, a hateful
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  Speaker 2: slur and one that's wildly inaccurate. The Palestinian population has
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  Speaker 2: grown faster than Israel's, and no country at war has
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  Speaker 2: ever taken such clear efforts to avoid civilians and warn
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  Speaker 2: them of attacks compared to Israel.
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  Speaker 1: In this war.
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  Speaker 2: And it was Hummus who began this war by attacking Israel,
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  Speaker 2: not the other way around. So if you use a
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  Speaker 2: term like genocide against Israel, you are part of the problem.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not okay to claim that Israel is starving
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  Speaker 2: fourteen thousand babies to death, a clear lie repeated by many.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not ok to say Israel is starving anyone
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  Speaker 2: when all the evidence shows any shortage of aid in
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  Speaker 2: Gaza has been caused by Hummus's stockpiling, profiteering and standover tactics.
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  Speaker 2: Yet this lie, too is pushed by the UN and
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  Speaker 2: repeated by media and many politicians. If you accuse Israel
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  Speaker 2: of starving people and killing babies.
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  Speaker 1: You are part of the problem.
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  Speaker 2: People have a responsibility to get across the facts and
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  Speaker 2: not spout hateful lies. Now, granted, this isn't always as
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  Speaker 2: easy as it should be because much of the media,
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  Speaker 2: certainly organizations like our own ABC and major organizations like
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  Speaker 2: CNN and the BBC effectively run propaganda from Hummas and
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  Speaker 2: lies from the United Nations.
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  Speaker 1: But the truth is out there.
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  Speaker 2: People can get across it, and they should because the
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  Speaker 2: alternative is more of this hatred directed at israelis at
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  Speaker 2: all Jewish people and their supporters.
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  Speaker 1: And this is ugly and it's wrong. And if you.
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  Speaker 2: Can't see that, then we've got bigger problems in Western
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  Speaker 2: civilization than we care to imagine. Let's go to Adelaid
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  Speaker 2: now and catch up with the Shadow Health Minister Anne Rustin.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Sam, good to talk to you again.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get into domestic political issues first up,
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  Speaker 2: the Labour's super chances super changers. What are the chances
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  Speaker 2: that the coalition can do or deal with Labor over this.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like you're going to be able to
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  Speaker 2: They'll be left to deal with the Greens instead, which
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  Speaker 2: could make the super package even worse.
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  Speaker 6: Well, look, we hope the labor government will say the
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  Speaker 6: common sense that is, I mean, the tax is basically formed,
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  Speaker 6: and it's just it is been formed incorrectly.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, the idea that.
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  Speaker 6: You can tax somebody on something that they actually haven't
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  Speaker 6: even received.
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  Speaker 7: It's just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 6: So taxing unrealized capital gain is something that's completely not negotiable.
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  Speaker 7: It's a red line for us.
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  Speaker 6: But you know, hopefully Jim Chalmers can see the failure
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  Speaker 6: of this policy, this component of the policy, and then
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  Speaker 6: maybe we can have a conversation. But you know, the
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  Speaker 6: other thing, the fact that they're not indexing it. It
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  Speaker 6: means that you know, sure, we may be talking about
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  Speaker 6: a smaller number of people as we sit here today,
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  Speaker 6: but as time goes by, most austraining is going to
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  Speaker 6: be caught up in this is if they don't put
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  Speaker 6: indexation on the proposal. So I think before we can
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  Speaker 6: even have a sensible conversation, Jim's got to get rid
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  Speaker 6: of the unrealized the taxation of unrealized capital gain, and
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  Speaker 6: he's got to promise that he's going to index it,
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  Speaker 6: and then maybe a sensible conversation can be had, but
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  Speaker 6: I mean, this is just a bad tax.
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  Speaker 2: These are sensible changes, but to me, the really important
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  Speaker 2: one is the fact that you should not be able
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  Speaker 2: to tax unrealized gains unrealized profits. I mean, because apart
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  Speaker 2: from making this particular tax terrible, it's the thin end
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  Speaker 2: of the wedge. Once they start taxing unrealized gains in
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  Speaker 2: the super we could see that spread right across our
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  Speaker 2: business financial taxation system.
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to be absolutely crippling.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, any Australian who sort of thinks about the
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  Speaker 6: fact that you pay the tax on your wages at
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  Speaker 6: the start of the week, but you don't get your
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  Speaker 6: wages to the end of the week, would think that
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  Speaker 6: would be absolutely ludicrous. Or you know, somebody who has
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  Speaker 6: a little investment property and they're going to be taxed
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  Speaker 6: on the increase of value of that property even if
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  Speaker 6: they haven't sold it. I mean, most people can see
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  Speaker 6: the ridiculousness of this. But you're quite right, you sort
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  Speaker 6: of you can expand that out as a provisional taxation
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  Speaker 6: sort of mechanism across the whole of the economy. It
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  Speaker 6: would have an absolutely catastrophic and disastrous effect.
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  Speaker 7: On our economy.
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  Speaker 6: And I think, you know, Jim Chalmers should actually sit
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  Speaker 6: down and have a little bit of a rethink on
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  Speaker 6: this policy because, as you rightly point out, Chris, it
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  Speaker 6: is it is a hideous policy and it is built
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  Speaker 6: with a fundamental flaw in it that without, you know,
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  Speaker 6: you can't make this policy work unless you get rid
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  Speaker 6: of this fundamental flaw.
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  Speaker 2: Let's have a look at what the Minister Amanda Rishworth
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  Speaker 2: had to say.
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  Speaker 1: On this yesterday.
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  Speaker 8: The majority of federal politicians, like myself have industry super funds.
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  Speaker 9: I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about Anthony.
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  Speaker 8: In his position, what we have done has been past
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  Speaker 8: practice is actually a by commensurate provisions and treatment to
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  Speaker 8: achieve equivalent tax outcomes.
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  Speaker 2: Now, this goes to the fact that some politicians, those
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  Speaker 2: who have been around a long while and define benefits
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  Speaker 2: benefit schemes, like Anthony ALBINIZI won't get hit by this
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  Speaker 2: tax in the political debate. That's a killer point, isn't
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  Speaker 2: it that, you know, John Blow, a voter, are going
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  Speaker 2: to rail against that.
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  Speaker 7: Well, look at Albo's ten are again, isn't it.
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  Speaker 6: You know it's his house in Coca Cabana and here
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  Speaker 6: is his tenire on this particular super provision. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: it's quite incredible the arrogance of this man. You would
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  Speaker 6: have thought that if he was going to go ahead
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  Speaker 6: and do something like this, it actually wouldn't have excluded
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  Speaker 6: himself from it. So it's quite an extraordinary and it's
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  Speaker 6: quite damning indictment on Anthony Alberzi, the Prime Minister of
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  Speaker 6: our country, that he didn't actually think this through, and
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  Speaker 6: for Amanda Bishworth to try and defend it.
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  Speaker 7: The way she did. I mean, I don't think anyone's
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  Speaker 7: going to buy it. I certainly didn't.
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  Speaker 2: It's a hell of a debate to be having, and
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  Speaker 2: an issue to be presenting to Parliament right in the
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  Speaker 2: early stages of their second term. It's a pity we
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  Speaker 2: didn't have this debate more robustly before the election. I
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  Speaker 2: just want to give your thoughts as Shadow Health Minister
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  Speaker 2: briefly on the Health Minister Mark Butler telling people they
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  Speaker 2: should be checking out the latest COVID vaccine booster shot
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  Speaker 2: and obviously for older Australians to have a look at it,
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  Speaker 2: but everybody else, he says check it out, says that
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  Speaker 2: he's had a booster shot himself for is this right?
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  Speaker 1: Do you support this or should we?
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  Speaker 2: He's back on pushing these vaccines for COVID now.
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  Speaker 6: Look, I think the most important thing is that the
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  Speaker 6: Department of Health and this government must make sure that
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  Speaker 6: Australians have got all the information they need and then
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  Speaker 6: they can make their own decisions about their own personal
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  Speaker 6: health circumstances. I mean, it's probably a timely reminder as
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  Speaker 6: we go into winter about you know, whether you need
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  Speaker 6: to get yourself a flu shot, and obviously provide Australians
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  Speaker 6: with information about this new strain of COVID that is
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  Speaker 6: in the country now.
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  Speaker 7: But people should be making up their own minds on the.
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  Speaker 6: Basis of their own personal health circumstances and those of
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  Speaker 6: their loved ones. But I mean, I do think it's
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  Speaker 6: also a timely reminder about all of those hygiene provisions
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  Speaker 6: that we've all we took into account during COVID, you know,
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  Speaker 6: make sure we're just living our life so that we're
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  Speaker 6: protecting ourselves and our loved ones. But people should be
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  Speaker 6: making their own decisions in the basis of the information
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  Speaker 6: that's provided to them.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you just talking to Defense spending.
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  Speaker 2: You went to the election this year promising an additional
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  Speaker 2: twenty billion dollars in defense spending. Does the American call
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  Speaker 2: to lift spending to three and a half percent of
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  Speaker 2: GDP fit the bill?
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  Speaker 1: Is that the target we should be aiming for as
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  Speaker 1: a country.
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  Speaker 6: Well, look, I think the basis on which decisions should
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  Speaker 6: be made about defense spending in this country clearly are
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  Speaker 6: a matter for this country. But I think, as you
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  Speaker 6: rightly pointed out in your preamble, some of the commentary
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  Speaker 6: from the US probably isn't too far from the mark
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  Speaker 6: in terms of making sure that we have got defense spending.
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  Speaker 7: But let me just jump in and insient to be
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  Speaker 7: able to deal with it.
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  Speaker 2: Is Mike heg Seth getting above himself trying to tell
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  Speaker 2: Australia how much to spend.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think what he's doing is just drawing to
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  Speaker 6: attention to the region. Obviously the threats that exist in
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  Speaker 6: this region, and they're very real and so we all
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  Speaker 6: need to be aware of that. And so I think
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  Speaker 6: Anthony Albanese, instead of making these throwaway lines that he
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  Speaker 6: is about defeat, should probably listen to the experts, his
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  Speaker 6: own strategic Defense Review, his own very senior officials in
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  Speaker 6: the Defense Department, about what is needed to make sure
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  Speaker 6: that our defense capability is appropriate for the times that
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  Speaker 6: we're facing at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, an appreciate it and rust in
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  Speaker 2: their shadow Health Minister joining us live from Adelaide.
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  Speaker 1: Let's stay on this issue.
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  Speaker 2: Of our defense preparedness and our spending and catch up
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  Speaker 2: with Malcolm Davis. He's the senior analyst in defense and
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  Speaker 2: capability with Asby joins us live from Caner.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Malcolm.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting it always flaws me, having formerly worked in
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  Speaker 2: foreign affairs. The only two areas of government spending where
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  Speaker 2: people talk like this. You've got to spend a certain
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  Speaker 2: amount of a certain share of your GDP on a
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  Speaker 2: certain area.
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  Speaker 1: And that is defense and foreign aid.
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  Speaker 2: So let's start off with the figure of three and
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  Speaker 2: a half percent coming from the Americans.
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  Speaker 1: Is that appropriate? Is that what Australia should aspire to?
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  Speaker 10: Absolutely? I think that Secretary of Defense Pete Heggsef is
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  Speaker 10: spot on here. When you look at the government's own
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  Speaker 10: policy documents, including the twenty twenty four National Defense Strategy
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  Speaker 10: and Integrated Investment Program and the twenty twenty three Defense
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  Speaker 10: Strategic Review, the government is actually saying quite explicitly that
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  Speaker 10: we live in the most challenging times since the Second
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  Speaker 10: World War, and yet what is happening is that although
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  Speaker 10: the government is increasing defense spending in the long term,
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  Speaker 10: that increase is not happening until the late twenty twenty
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  Speaker 10: eight to twenty twenty nine period going into the twenty thirties.
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  Speaker 10: What I think Pete Hegsef is saying, and what organizations
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  Speaker 10: such as ASPI is saying, is that there are clear
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  Speaker 10: risks and threats emerging in the short term within this
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  Speaker 10: decade that we need to be prepared for, and by
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  Speaker 10: essentially pushing back all the increase in defense spending into
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  Speaker 10: the twenty thirties, we're not ready for those threats in
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  Speaker 10: the short term.
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  Speaker 1: So we do need to increase.
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  Speaker 8: We do.
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  Speaker 10: We need to go up to three point five and
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  Speaker 10: we need to do it as soon as possible.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the government points to its increased spending, but
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  Speaker 2: they're talking about two point three percent by twenty into
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  Speaker 2: the twenty thirty, so.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: It's a long way off.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Look, Donald Trump, when he was first president, really put
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: the weights on NATO countries. I thought he was very
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: successful at that, adding a lot of criticism because people
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: were saying he was basically undermining NATO. Well, what he
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: was actually doing was trying to strengthen NATO by making
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: sure the European countries contributed more to their own defense.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: It worked for him, but he really did get threatening
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: in that diplomacy. Do you see the heat really accelerating
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: on Australia now if we don't answer the US with
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: some better forecasts about what we're planning to do.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:49
  Speaker 10: Look, I think once again Pete Hexaff has done Albanezi
• 19:52
  Speaker 10: a huge favor here by giving him a heads up
• 19:54
  Speaker 10: as to what he should expect when he sits down
• 19:57
  Speaker 10: with Trump later this month the G seven, Trump will
• 20:00
  Speaker 10: make it crystal clear to alban Easy that Australia does
• 20:05
  Speaker 10: need to do more on defense. It needs to spend more,
• 20:07
  Speaker 10: It needs to burden share to a greater degree, as
• 20:10
  Speaker 10: is Australia's other partners in the region, Japan, South Korea,
• 20:14
  Speaker 10: the Philippines and so on, all of them are increasing
• 20:17
  Speaker 10: their defense spending to a much higher level than what
• 20:19
  Speaker 10: we're doing. And so I think it's quite justified for
• 20:22
  Speaker 10: the Trump administration to challenge US and say, look, we
• 20:25
  Speaker 10: are in threatening times. We are facing a very severe
• 20:28
  Speaker 10: risk of major power war. Emerging in our region within
• 20:31
  Speaker 10: this decade, so Australia does need to burden share and
• 20:34
  Speaker 10: spend more on defense as a result.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Let's just have a look at what Senator James Patterson
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: had to say about this yesterday.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: When it comes to defense and national security, often they
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: talk a good game, but they deliver very little. And
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Richard Miles's in that category. He talks all the time
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: about how this is the most dangerous and uncertain strategic
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: environment since the end of World War Two, but defense
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: spending has been flat.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Liberals took a policy to increase defense spending
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: to the last election. Obviously they're not going to have
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: much saying that over the next three years. But this
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: is the crucial point, Malcolm, the one you just pointed to,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: and that is the strategic risks.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Hexceth in Singapore talked up the risk of conflict over Taiwan.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: There's always that strategic ambiguity about what America would do
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: in those circumstances.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: But that is really the great fear.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: But there are many other threats and weak points in
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: our region and around the globe. Just how badly exposed
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: are we not about defending our country, but I suppose
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: in terms of defending our interests, primarily our sea lanes.
• 21:35
  Speaker 10: Look, I think that what you could see in a
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: Taiwan straight scenario, which is a very real prospect in
• 21:41
  Speaker 10: the next five years, is China obviously moving against Taiwan,
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: but also undertaking actions in the South China see that
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: could interfere with our sea lanes. You could see opportunistic
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: aggression from North Korea at the same time, and you
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: could see opportunistic aggression by Russia against NATO. So you
• 22:00
  Speaker 10: have this potential for horizontal escalation where a conflict in
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: one region spreads to another that could directly affect our
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: sea lanes, communication, interfering with our trade and our supply chains.
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: So we have to have the ability to protect those
• 22:15
  Speaker 10: supply chains and also at the same time be more
• 22:18
  Speaker 10: resilient and self reliant here in Australia, because we can't
• 22:23
  Speaker 10: assume that the Americans will be able to do everything.
• 22:25
  Speaker 10: We have to burden share to a much greater degree.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well so, Malcolm, thanks so much for joining us.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Malcolm Davis there from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: We need to lift our game.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: We also need to lift it very very quickly because
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: the time for the defense preparedness is now now coming.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Up after the Raak.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give you my insights after spending last
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: week in Israel.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Don't go away now.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: As you know, I was in Israel last week joining
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: in Australia Israel Jewish Affairs Council study to Now. I
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: did this because I wanted to bear witness to the
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: horrific ramifications of the October the seventh atrocities and how
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Israel is dealing with the ensuing war. As you know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I talk to a range of experts on the Middle
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: East on this program regularly, and I'll continue to do so.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: But I just wanted to share with you.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Some of my personal impressions from last week. So here's
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: a little snapshot I put together using my iPhone. One minute,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: you're enjoying a pleasant dinner at a beachside restaurant. Then
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: the air raid sirens sounded the.
• 23:32
  Speaker 10: Lift.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: This is life in Israel in twenty twenty five.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: The Huti missiles constantly target civilian areas. Most of them
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: are taken out by Israel's missile defense systems, but bomb
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: shelters in the middle of the night have become part
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: of the daily norm at the site of the Nova
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Music Festival massacre. Listening to survivor Shalev biton talk about
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the past the present interrupted.
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: He was the type of people that actually could work
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: his prodcast two.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: This was nearby Israeli artillery targeting Gaza, and Shalev carried on.
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: At the same moment, you understand that someone is shooting now,
• 24:14
  Speaker 11: and then you understand that these gunshots are at you.
• 24:17
  Speaker 11: Someone is shooting at you right now, so you just start.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: To run now.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: On that shocking day, Chalev and his Jewish friends fled
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: by car, then by foot, across the fields and the
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: creek beds, eventually hiding at a farm saved by a
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Muslim Bedouin man Eunice, who courageously told terrorists he'd seen
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: no one.
• 24:38
  Speaker 11: We will run outside and hide inside the cot on
• 24:41
  Speaker 11: a very tall cotton field.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: The pair are now lifelong friends. No the bottom shooters out.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: A short drive away is Kibbutz Berri, where more than
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: one hundred people were slaughtered or taken hostage and then
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: slaughtered on October the seventh, twenty twenty three.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: The evidence of.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Brutality, barbarism and lives wasted is everywhere.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Danny Marshner lost his sister and many friends that day
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: who lived here and what happened to them. This was
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Vivian Silver's health and I'm going to talk about it.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Vivian Silver, like most people on these kibutzen, was a progressive.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: They're peace activists, and that didn't help them one little bit.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: As you walk around this kibbutz, you're very conscious of
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: the fact that you are only four kilometers from the
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: gards and border just over there. Four kilometers that's where
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the terrorists came in from on that day, more than
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: nineteen months ago. As you walk this peaceful kibbutz, now
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: you're alerted to keep in mind there could be an
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: air raid, silent siren, a warning to take cover in
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: case there are missiles filed in here at any time.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: But you can hear the dull.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Thump of artillery shawls going off in Gaza, short bursts
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: of thunder in the distance, just a constant reminder that
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the war is going on just over there. We also
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: headed north to Israel's borders with Lebanon and Syria, where
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: innocent lives have been taken by rocket fire and war
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: erupted again as Israel took out Iranian backed Hezbalah terrorists
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: who rained a rocket barrage on Israel the day after
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: October the seventh. Here in the north of Israel, where
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: villagers overlook the border with Lebanon, people were bombarded and
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: homes were destroyed over many, many months as missiles were
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: fired in from Hesbalah. Now the homes are being rebuilt.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: It's more secure than it has been for decades, really,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: because Hesbalah has.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Now been diminished and its armory destroyed.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: And so this part of Israel is trying to get
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: back to something close to normal. In the ancient melting
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: pot of Jerusalem, we visited holy and historic sites and
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: met with a wide range of Israeli experts, citizens, politicians,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: and Palestinian representatives. So here I am now at the
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Western Wall, and it's just a reminder of the obvious
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: point about this great city of Jerusalem, and that is
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: that it's such a holy city to the three great
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: faiths of Judaism, Islam and Christianity.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: This morning I was.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Above this wall at the Alaska Mosque and the Dome
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: of the Rock, the third holiest site in the Muslim religion.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Yesterday I was up beheming at the Church of the
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Holy Sepulcher, such an important site for Christians.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: There's so many important sites around the city for Christians.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: And as you move around the city, despite all the troubles,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: despite all the politics, despite all the violence, there are Christians,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Muslims and Jews working side by side, worshiping side by side,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: living happily, side by side.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: That's the story you don't see.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: That's the story that gives us hope. We also met
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: with President Isaac Herzog, who pleaded with Anthony Alberanizi to
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: visit Israel to inform himself and engage on the issues.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: But our PM seems happy at taking potshots from the sidelines.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: All across Israel there are memorials, posters, and protests to
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: support the hostages and.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Bring them home.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: We met Vicki Cohen, whose soldier son Nimrod, has been
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: held now for more than six hundred days.
• 28:49
  Speaker 12: He likes nature, he used to hike with his friends.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Just three months after he was taken hostage, Nimrod's twin sister, Rommi,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: began her military This national trauma over hostages is everywhere.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: One former major general we heard from said he considered
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: all remaining hostages part of his family. Yet on the
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: sun drenched promenades of Tel Aviv, life goes on with
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: remarkable normality and resilience.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: This is stoicism.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Israelis are divided on how best to end the war
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: and on whether Hummas can ever be truly eliminated. Most
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: express concern for Palestinian civilians terrorized by Hummas and killed
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: and injured in the war with Israel, but they are
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: united in their support for their own country and share
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: a determination to see Israel survive and thrive.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: A lot to think about, a lot more to cover
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: on that conflict. As the year goes on, I'll be
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: crossing into some guests people I met in Israel in
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: coming days and weeks. But what people perhaps don't fully
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: understand or comprehend about the situation in the Middle East
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: at the moment is that by decimating both Hamas and Hezbollah,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: and by destroying key military capabilities in Syria now as
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: well as Iran's air defenses, Israel is strategically stronger now
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: than when the war began in October the seventh, twenty
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: twenty three. So it won't be taking a backward step
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: in Gaza under Benjamin Netanyahu.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: That seems obvious.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: The war in Gaza can stop the minute Humas surrenders
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: and hands over the hostages. Yet again, in recent days,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Hamas has rejected a ceasefire offer. Humas always values killing
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Jews and making life uncomfortable for Israel much more highly
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: than it values the lives of its own people.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Now we're going to better get to a break.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we're going to talk about Paris,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: where a soccer team has won a match and won
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: a trophy and the city's deces ended into violence. What's
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: going on, you might have said, the shocking scenes out
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: of Paris overnight when the local team Paris and Jermain
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: defeated Milan five nil to win the first ever Champions
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: League trophy. Well, that set off some fans into a
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: celebration in the city. But then there was rioting there,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: cars were burnt, there was widespread violence.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: His Sky UK's wrap on the chaos.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Thousands of fans rushed the streets, disorder underway. Fireworks were
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: set off, flares lit within the crowds. Line bikes used
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: as fuel for fires. Amidst the growing violence across France.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Two people died and nearly two hundred were injured.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Two people dead and two hundred injured supposedly celebrating a
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: soccer victory.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Let's catch up with Sophie Ellsworth.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: News Corps Europe correspondent joins us from London. Good to
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: talk to you again, as ever so figured this strikes
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: me as something quite different to a mere football celebration.
• 32:21
  Speaker 12: Yeah, great to be with you, Chris. Look, I was
• 32:23
  Speaker 12: actually in Paris on the weekend watching the match. It
• 32:26
  Speaker 12: was an incredible match where Saint Jermain were victors and
• 32:31
  Speaker 12: was on the Champs Elise when this was unfolding, and Chris,
• 32:35
  Speaker 12: it quickly turned from a celebration where everyone was really
• 32:38
  Speaker 12: excited and you know, celebrating such a momentous occasion for
• 32:42
  Speaker 12: the French side, and then it quickly erupted into pretty
• 32:47
  Speaker 12: much chaos, and those videos show how serious it was.
• 32:51
  Speaker 12: There were flares going off, many people in the crowd
• 32:54
  Speaker 12: were sprayed with tear gas and it was a pretty
• 32:58
  Speaker 12: frightening situation to be in from something that was merely
• 33:01
  Speaker 12: a celebration. But then you get these hooligans, unfortunately, Chris,
• 33:05
  Speaker 12: to destroy it for everyone, and as we know, hundreds
• 33:07
  Speaker 12: were arrested, hundreds injured, and two dead. So pretty disappointing
• 33:12
  Speaker 12: result that something such so momentous turned into chaos like this.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just horrible.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: So I want to show of you as one snippet
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: of what went on there, and given you were on
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: the scene, get your reflections against Sophie.
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: Here.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Here's just one incident that was captured on social.
• 33:28
  Speaker 13: Media, just terrifying.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: A couple of young women trying to drive home in
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the car and it's set.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Upon like that.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Now, Sophia, there's a lot of stuff on social media.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I wasn't there. I don't want to know, but people
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: are suggesting.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: There's an issue here with migrants, there could be even
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: the Israeli Palestinian tensions could have played out here. Was
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: there any sign from you that there was anything at
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: play here other than just celebrating ridiculously violently a soccer victory.
• 34:12
  Speaker 12: Well, Chris, where I was, it was celebrations and it
• 34:15
  Speaker 12: just felt like everyone around was having a really good time.
• 34:18
  Speaker 12: But then suddenly there were flares let off, there was chaos,
• 34:22
  Speaker 12: there were fireworks, and it quickly turned into a situation
• 34:26
  Speaker 12: that many of us there felt quite unsafe. Many of
• 34:30
  Speaker 12: us wouldn't have gone if we thought it was going
• 34:32
  Speaker 12: to be unsafe. So we can draw our own conclusions
• 34:35
  Speaker 12: on what we think was behind it. But I would
• 34:37
  Speaker 12: say there were many hooligans in that crowd who ruined
• 34:40
  Speaker 12: it for others.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm glad you save Sophia. Just a shocking situation.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: We'll hear more about that in coming days, no doubt.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I want to get back to the UK where you
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: are now back in London, and the immigration debate is
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: heating up again with revelations that fifteen thousand people have
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: crossed the English Channel already this year. This new government,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: they're like the previous government doesn't seem to be capable
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: of stemming the flow.
• 35:07
  Speaker 12: Well, it was very interesting on the weekend, Chris, because
• 35:10
  Speaker 12: the UK's Defense Secretary, John Healey came out and said
• 35:14
  Speaker 12: that Britain has actually lost control of its borders. But
• 35:18
  Speaker 12: like all governments who are new in office, they've been
• 35:20
  Speaker 12: in office a year. They're blaming the previous government for
• 35:23
  Speaker 12: this problem, but the numbers continue to climb and they
• 35:27
  Speaker 12: can't stop it. They're blaming the French, saying the French
• 35:30
  Speaker 12: aren't doing enough to turn these boats around. But this
• 35:32
  Speaker 12: is a giant mess in the UK and one that
• 35:36
  Speaker 12: is continuing to dog the government and it seems that
• 35:39
  Speaker 12: Kirs Starmer cannot get control of this and this is
• 35:42
  Speaker 12: going to continue to be a massive issue and one
• 35:45
  Speaker 12: that willform UK's Nigel Farage is very strong on He said,
• 35:49
  Speaker 12: any illegal migrants that come into this country, they'll be
• 35:52
  Speaker 12: tossed out.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Let me give the British government a bit of advice
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: from our experience, and that is, don't expect anybody else
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: to control your borders, much less Britain expecting France to
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: control its borders. Britain has to control his borders itself,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: not try and rely on anybody else. Just briefly, Sophie,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: they're talking about a warm summer, a hot summer they
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: would call it in the forecasts and suggesting you're headed
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: for a.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Warm summer there in the UK. Hopefully this is beautiful
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: for you all.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: But is there any hint of climbing alarmism around all this?
• 36:24
  Speaker 12: Well, Chris, the Met Office have come out and said
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: that it's going to be a hotter summer than normal.
• 36:28
  Speaker 12: But look, I'd say if we had a bit warmer
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: over here. I'd welcome that because it's been pretty chilly.
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: It was a very cold winter. But these are any predictions, Chris,
• 36:37
  Speaker 12: so we need to just wait and see what the
• 36:39
  Speaker 12: results show at the end of summer. But it was
• 36:42
  Speaker 12: one of the sunniest springs on record, and they're also
• 36:46
  Speaker 12: saying it's one of the drier seasons in recent times.
• 36:49
  Speaker 12: So a combination of things going on here, Chris. But
• 36:51
  Speaker 12: let's see the results before we jump to conclusion.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Well, the met officer, the met officers around the world
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: have trouble enough predicting the temperature for tomorrow, let alone
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: the whole of the season, let alone for the next
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: fifty years. But I have seen some of the headlines
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: in Britain about the sunny spring and it's the first
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: time I've ever seen a sunny spring day reported as
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: bad news.
• 37:15
  Speaker 12: Well that's right, Chris. But look it's summer here now,
• 37:17
  Speaker 12: we're just into summer. It's beautiful day today. It's probably
• 37:20
  Speaker 12: twenty twenty two degrees today. Bring it on. I'd like
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: to see a bit more sunshine in here, because that's
• 37:26
  Speaker 12: been a big change for me coming over here. With
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: the dark days, those winter months can be pretty grueling.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I bet thanks for joining us, Sophia. I really appreciate
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: it as ever. Sophia's worth there, the Sky News contributor
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: and of course News Corp European correspondent. We're going to
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: get to a break on the other side, catch up
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: with Gemma and Caroline. We'll talk a bit of politics
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: and also just see what they think about how the
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: government is pushing these COVID jabs again. Now in some
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: breaking news today is if Anthony Albernizi's political year hasn't
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: been pretty good to him so far, I just got
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: better today. He's picked up another senator, with the Green
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Senator Direnda Cox in Western Australia switching to the Labor Party,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: so Labor now has an extra senator and the Greens
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: have one less. Let's get the panel started now with
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: a Caroline Drusso, host of the Royal Report, joins us
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: live from Perth. Also, of course, Carol, you're president of
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  Speaker 2: the Liberal Party in the great state of Western Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Does this new surprise you that Anthony Albernezi has turned
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: up in Western Australia late today and announced that a
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Green senator is now joining him on the Labor benches.
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  Speaker 7: It's very interesting, isn't it.
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  Speaker 14: And I obviously didn't I didn't get wind of this
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  Speaker 14: at all, But obviously I think Direnda Cox was elected
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  Speaker 14: in twenty twenty two. Labor did pick up three senators
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  Speaker 14: last time, including Senator Fatima Payman who is now sitting
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  Speaker 14: on the cross bench. So it may actually quite a
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  Speaker 14: good move for her from the point of view that
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  Speaker 14: you know, Labor does currently hold a third spot there
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  Speaker 14: that they haven't traditionally held. That there is one the
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  Speaker 14: Libs have had in the recent past. I don't know
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  Speaker 14: the background.
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  Speaker 7: Though to it, but I will say that.
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  Speaker 14: Derinda Cox is not usually, not usually the one that
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  Speaker 14: we're talking about here in political commentary land as being
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  Speaker 14: you know, the most rabid of some of the Greens senators.
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  Speaker 14: So perhaps perhaps even the Green's got a little bit
• 39:34
  Speaker 14: too much for her.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, Well here's the Prime Minister. Here's what Anthony Alberinez
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  Speaker 2: he had to say about it.
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  Speaker 4: I would like to welcome Senator Cox back to the
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  Speaker 4: Australian Labor Party and to our Labor government. As Senator
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  Speaker 4: Cox has just said, she wants to be part of
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  Speaker 4: a team that's delivering progress for this country by being
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  Speaker 4: a part of government that can make decisions to make
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  Speaker 4: a difference.
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  Speaker 2: There you go, Albo walking, he says, he's walking welcoming
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  Speaker 2: to Rinda Cox's back. She hasn't sat in Parliament for
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Labor but maybe she used to be a Labor Party member,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: but now she's going to be a Labor Party senator.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: That changes the dynamic a bit in the Senate. Jemytannini
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  Speaker 2: joins us, Now, what do.
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  Speaker 1: You make of this is it's not huge. It's not a.
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  Speaker 2: Huge benefit to Anthony Alberanezi, but it's certainly good news,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it.
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  Speaker 15: Well, I mean, you know another person on the team
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  Speaker 15: who's going to kick that away. It's not dissimilar to
• 40:36
  Speaker 15: just enterprices move, really, I mean it's the same sort
• 40:40
  Speaker 15: of thing, just a different paradigm and a different team.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 15: For if anything, it's sort of like makes me slightly
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  Speaker 15: chirpy Chris, because it means more unraveling for the Greens,
• 40:51
  Speaker 15: and the Greens are revolting and we don't need them.
• 40:53
  Speaker 15: So if in the next three years of this term
• 40:56
  Speaker 15: of parliament we see you know, the Green significantly weaken
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  Speaker 15: to the point of it if they go the way
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  Speaker 15: of the Australian Democrats, Chris, I'll be a very happy girl.
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  Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to what Drinda Cox has had
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  Speaker 2: to say today.
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  Speaker 14: I'm resigning from the Australian Greens to join the Labor
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  Speaker 14: Party to sit as a later Senator as part of
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  Speaker 14: the Albanyza government. It is not a decision I've taken lightly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with both of you are supposed to agree.
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  Speaker 2: Good news that someone's smart enough to get off the
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Green it's a bad wagon.
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  Speaker 1: But I got to say two things about this.
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  Speaker 2: One is when you get elected for one party, especially
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: in the Senate like that, you should stick with that party.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I've said it to all the others who have switched teams.
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  Speaker 2: It's not on I mean, if you should stick with
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: who elected you, otherwise go.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: To an election. And that's the problem with it.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: But the second thing is it probably just does make
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: the Senate just slightly easier for Labor because they're going
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: to have to do a lot of dealing with the
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Greens and this might bring the other Independence and the
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: like into play. And the issue here, the first issue here, Caroline,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: is this super legislation that's becoming very problematic for Labor.
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  Speaker 2: It's bad laws, it's a bad new tax, and I
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: just think the idea that they get smooth passages through
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  Speaker 2: the Senate is a real worry.
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  Speaker 7: It's a huge worry.
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  Speaker 14: And we know that the Greens like the principle, which
• 42:24
  Speaker 14: is it should be the biggest red flag. So the
• 42:27
  Speaker 14: principle is absolutely woeful. The Greens just want it from
• 42:32
  Speaker 14: two million dollars rather than three million dollars. Although my
• 42:35
  Speaker 14: understanding is the Greens are okay with the idea of
• 42:38
  Speaker 14: it being indexed, so I think there is still a
• 42:42
  Speaker 14: little bit of conversation to go there. Obviously, with Derinda
• 42:44
  Speaker 14: Cox going across to Labor, I think that means they
• 42:47
  Speaker 14: just need three now, and that can be the Greens
• 42:52
  Speaker 14: or that can be a makeup of other members of
• 42:56
  Speaker 14: the crossbench. And the Coalition has said that they will
• 43:00
  Speaker 14: look at this, but obviously the red lines for the
• 43:02
  Speaker 14: Coalition and I totally agree with the position that was
• 43:07
  Speaker 14: reported today. It can't be unrealized capital gains and it
• 43:13
  Speaker 14: really does need to be indexed. And I interviewed Jeff
• 43:17
  Speaker 14: Wilson and he's spoken with a number of people on
• 43:20
  Speaker 14: this channel and elsewhere where. He said that, you know,
• 43:22
  Speaker 14: those people who were captured by that three million dollars,
• 43:27
  Speaker 14: they don't necessarily have a huge issue with paying more tax.
• 43:32
  Speaker 14: But the really the issue is the whole principle and
• 43:35
  Speaker 14: cash flow issue that taxing unrealized gains creates and all
• 43:40
  Speaker 14: the you know, the using evaluations and the sorts. So look,
• 43:44
  Speaker 14: I mean, I never liked the idea of touching superannuation
• 43:48
  Speaker 14: rules at the best of times. But if a pragmatic
• 43:52
  Speaker 14: solution can be achieved where you're not touching unrealized capital gains,
• 43:56
  Speaker 14: then you know, I think that does need to be
• 43:58
  Speaker 14: considered because it's a way for principle to bring into
• 44:01
  Speaker 14: our tax.
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  Speaker 2: It's a massive worry most of us, even if we've
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: still got a mortgage, we've got a massive unrealized.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Gain in our in whatever house or unit we live in.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, you start taxing that, it's just mind boggling
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  Speaker 1: to take that threshold step. So we'll see where it
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: ends up.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Because I want to go on to other issues now
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: and general, I'm really keen to get your thoughts on
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: this shocking new case of terrorism in the US where
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: a bunch of people are simply protesting to have the
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: hostages from Israel returned by hummus. And while they're protesting
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: such I would have thought a universal humanitarian cause, they're
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: attacked by fire bombs from this bloke, Muhammed Solomon, who
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: was his name, a forty five year old now in custody.
• 44:47
  Speaker 15: Just sickening well, I mean, Chris, this is what the
• 44:50
  Speaker 15: idiots get when they say globalize the interfarter.
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: This is what they get.
• 44:57
  Speaker 15: This is not a mystery to those of us who
• 44:59
  Speaker 15: are following this matter and others closely. This is what
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  Speaker 15: Australia and I say this really carefully, Chris. This is
• 45:09
  Speaker 15: the sort of action that any Western democracy is at
• 45:13
  Speaker 15: risk of. This guy. It's been widely reported across the
• 45:18
  Speaker 15: world that he shouted free Palestine and then he set
• 45:22
  Speaker 15: these people alight. It has nothing to do with statehood.
• 45:26
  Speaker 15: It has nothing to do with helping the people of
• 45:29
  Speaker 15: Palestine or the disputed territories who are subject to Hamas,
• 45:34
  Speaker 15: who are subject to the Palestinian authority. Who you have
• 45:39
  Speaker 15: whatever version of history that tickles your fancy, But the
• 45:43
  Speaker 15: inalienable truth here, Chris, as you and I both know,
• 45:46
  Speaker 15: this war would have been over on October eighth, if
• 45:50
  Speaker 15: the hostages were returned, there was no war.
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: On October six there was a ceasefire.
• 45:55
  Speaker 15: That ceasefire was broken, and for six hundred plus days,
• 45:59
  Speaker 15: the Internet community has hung those hostages out to dry,
• 46:03
  Speaker 15: has vilified Israel, has tried to make the victim the aggressor,
• 46:10
  Speaker 15: and all the while these people are being abused, tortured
• 46:15
  Speaker 15: and starved in terrorist infrastructure built.
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: With foreign aid money.
• 46:21
  Speaker 15: It is a disgraceful state of affairs.
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: And when the.
• 46:24
  Speaker 15: Leftist activists on university campuses and on Australian streets say
• 46:29
  Speaker 15: globalize the INTERFARTA, this is what you get.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: That is spot on.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Globalized the indefata means globalizing violence. And here's what Tim Miller,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: who's a former Secret Servants Service agent, has told us.
• 46:43
  Speaker 9: What we know is that several people have been burned,
• 46:46
  Speaker 9: including children. They were thrown into the middle of the crowd.
• 46:49
  Speaker 9: And of course now the investigation begins as to motive.
• 46:53
  Speaker 9: But it's a staggering reality in the United States that
• 46:57
  Speaker 9: if you're going to do anything pro Israel, you better
• 46:59
  Speaker 9: have security.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: It is just sickening.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: And yes, I've been to events here in Australia where
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: they're peaceful. They're just pro Israel. You have to have security.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: What sort of a world do we live in? But
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: rest assured. Greta Tunberg is on the case. Apparently she's
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: on a boat to Gaza to deliver aid.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Here's what she's got to say.
• 47:21
  Speaker 16: Hello, I am currently standing on the Madeline, the ship
• 47:24
  Speaker 16: that on Sunday, June first, will attempt to again sail
• 47:33
  Speaker 16: towards Gaza and to try to break the siege and
• 47:36
  Speaker 16: open up a humanitarian courrier by delivering aid like food
• 47:41
  Speaker 16: and medical supplies.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Just obscene and ridiculous because it's Hamas has been controlling
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: the aid and if she was really going to Gaza,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: god knows what would what would befall her? You shake
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: your head, Jimmy, and so do you, Caroline, and so
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: do I. We're all out of time. Thanks for joining us.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Appreciate Caroline Derrosso and Jemmy, ton Yini there. Yeah, we'll
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: see what happens to Greta Timberg when she turns up
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: in Gaza. But if she has anything to do with Hummas,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: we know exactly what sort of an organization they are.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: There Islamist extremists who hate anybody who is not also
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: an Islamist extremist, so she want to be very very
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: careful who she ends up meeting when she gets there.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. Good to be back in the chair.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: I'll be back tomorrow night. Here's Peter Quidlin.