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Logan Murdock on How Steph Curry, Draymond Green and the Warriors Changed Basketball Forever | 04.28 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 2: It is Time Machine Tuesday coming to us live from Oakland,
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  Speaker 2: California in the Wrangler. Well, Oakland enough. He from Oakland.
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  Speaker 2: Oakland come with him everywhere he go. Check out the
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  Speaker 2: real ones. Logan Murdoch, what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Man, I'm just slow motion with the potion trying to
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  Speaker 1: get to the ocean, Bo. You know how it go.
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  Speaker 1: You know the vibes. We miss you out here, man.
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  Speaker 1: You need to come through. We need to take you
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  Speaker 1: a flight out to the bay, man.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, I need to.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't been to the bay since 2009. It's been
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  Speaker 2: that long.
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  Speaker 1: That is a damn shame. When you come to the bay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm picking you up from the airport, and we are
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  Speaker 1: going to drive around Lake Merritt for about 15 minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Yo, Lake Mary changed my whole idea of the Bay.
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  Speaker 2: Like when I got there and the first thing little
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  Speaker 2: mama did, we went ahead, uh, we had lunch in
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco. Cause I flew in the SFO. We had
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  Speaker 2: lunch in San Francisco and she pulled up, she lived over.
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  Speaker 3: By the lake. And I was like, Oh, I ain't
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  Speaker 3: even know y'all had one of these. You know what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying? And the weather was right.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, I'll get my haircut on a,
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  Speaker 1: on a, I'll just say it. I get my haircut
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  Speaker 1: on 14th and, um, and Oak. And every time I
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  Speaker 1: drive back home, I make sure I get a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of the lake on the way there, man. I
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  Speaker 1: play picture me rolling. I play checkout time. I just
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  Speaker 1: get in the zone. I probably called you a couple
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  Speaker 1: of times during that drive.
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  Speaker 3: You know, just it's appreciated, man.
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  Speaker 2: We got you here talking about some from the base
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  Speaker 2: time machine Tuesday and.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about the 2016 Golden State Warriors, 10 years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I need to let people know, we're basically doing
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  Speaker 2: like a series over the next few weeks on the Warriors,
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  Speaker 2: because we got like three different things to talk about
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  Speaker 2: involving this run of the Warriors. Logan was around that team,
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  Speaker 2: working for the Mercury News.
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  Speaker 1: I was working at Canby already. I had a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of internships around there. I was around college around
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  Speaker 1: that time, and then I got to the Mercury News.
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  Speaker 3: You were around this team. And look, man, just growing
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  Speaker 3: up in Oakland, like the Warriors... Even when the Warriors
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  Speaker 3: were sorry, the Warriors were a thing, right? Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, man. That's the most.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing thing is how much Warriors fans cared about the
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  Speaker 2: Warriors in spite of the Warriors.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they were just kind of omnipresence, and
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  Speaker 1: they were just rich dudes in downtown. Like, you would
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  Speaker 1: hear about, you know, Steven Jackson being at the Louisiana
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  Speaker 1: Fish Market, you know, down the street from my house.
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  Speaker 1: Or you hear about a such-and-such player that's seven feet
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  Speaker 1: tall getting robbed, you know? Or you would hear, or
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  Speaker 1: you would see, like, the We Believe Warriors always talk
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  Speaker 1: about or the last Oakland Warriors team, right, where their
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  Speaker 1: community events were going to Eastmont Mall and going to
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  Speaker 1: the McDonald's there and passing out Big Macs to fans, right?
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  Speaker 1: And that will never happen now. That's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: It was just a different time.
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  Speaker 2: Also, it was a very particular collection of dudes that
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  Speaker 2: fit the idea of playing in Oakland. So that's Baron Davis,
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  Speaker 2: that's Steven Jackson, that's Matt Barnes.
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  Speaker 3: Al Harrington.
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  Speaker 1: Monte Ellis.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Monte was on that team. Jason Richardson.
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  Speaker 1: Jason Richardson. Then you have Don Nelson, who loved to
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  Speaker 1: play shuffleboard over there by the Grand Lake Theater, and
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  Speaker 1: that would be his initiation for the team, which is like,
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  Speaker 1: let's get drunk and let's go play shuffleboard.
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  Speaker 2: But that squad, I feel like for somebody my age,
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  Speaker 2: there's three distinct periods of Warriors basketball.
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  Speaker 3: It's really kind of four, right?
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  Speaker 2: It is the run TMC era, like the first Don
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  Speaker 2: Nelson era, where they just, hey, man, just kind of
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  Speaker 2: having a good time.
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  Speaker 3: Looking back on it.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit ahead of where the game was going.
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  Speaker 2: Had that one year, I think they beat the Spurs
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  Speaker 2: in the first round, where they were the seventh seed,
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  Speaker 2: and the Spurs were the two seeds. You got Chris Mullen,
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  Speaker 2: Mitch Richmond, Tim Hardaway. It was a fun squad. Honorable mention...
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  Speaker 2: Only because of that one thing that happened when, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Sprewell choked out PJ Carlissimo. Like, that whole team wasn't
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  Speaker 2: really an era. It was the end of Run TMC and,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, don't forget the team before me and you both
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  Speaker 1: were born or in the 70s where they did win
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  Speaker 1: some championships.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, where you had a coach that was ready to
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  Speaker 3: fight everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Your coach's nickname is The Destroyer. That's the greatest nickname.
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  Speaker 2: Al Adels, The Destroyer. Rest in peace, Al Adels, Bay
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  Speaker 2: Area legend. Y'all love that man.
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  Speaker 1: Love him. Every time in my first couple of years
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  Speaker 1: covering a team on full-time, Al Adels would actually sit
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  Speaker 1: next to the press area. So you would see him
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  Speaker 1: every time. He had his own seat above one of
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  Speaker 1: the tunnels. And everybody would kind of get some wisdom
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  Speaker 1: from him. The security people knew who he was. He
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  Speaker 1: was always a G with it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But then you had the We Believe Warriors.
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  Speaker 2: And then the Mark Jackson Warriors, I think, are important
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  Speaker 2: to talk about in this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The Warriors have been so bad for so long.
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  Speaker 2: Missed the playoffs, I forget how many straight years, you know,
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  Speaker 2: how many years out of how many, because they made
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs that year in 07, obviously. But wrapping around that,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't no playoffs, man. Christmas missed us over and
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  Speaker 2: over again for what was going on there. Mark Jackson
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  Speaker 2: got there, and that team got better than, honestly, most
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  Speaker 2: people expected it to get at any point. Like, the
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  Speaker 2: early Mark Jackson days, I think it's easy to forget now.
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  Speaker 3: This was like, hey, get a load of the Warriors.
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  Speaker 3: Look at them being good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well... So Mark Jackson, if I believe,
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  Speaker 1: if I'm correct, he got hired in 2011 because he
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  Speaker 1: replaced Keith Smart, who replaced Don Nelson. And as this
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  Speaker 1: is going on, you have Steph, who gets drafted in 2009.
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  Speaker 1: And then you have the, then you get Klay Thompson,
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  Speaker 1: who is drafted a couple of years later. And then
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  Speaker 1: you have the defining draft of the Golden State Warriors
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  Speaker 1: in 2012, where you get Harrison Barnes, you get Festus Azili,
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  Speaker 1: and you get Draymond Green, right? So all of this
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  Speaker 1: is happening under the eyes of Mark Jackson, who kind
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  Speaker 1: of just like, sees the talent on this and says, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to make them believe that they can be,
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  Speaker 1: you know, better than they think they can be right now.
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  Speaker 1: Steph's coming off the ankle injuries and they're kind of
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  Speaker 1: trying to find themselves. And early on, you know, Mark
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  Speaker 1: Jackson would just say these things where it's like, are
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  Speaker 1: you sure? Like he would say like Steph and Claire,
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  Speaker 1: the best backcourt of all time, right. Before that, they've
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  Speaker 1: actually have done real damage in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And, but you're starting to see little itty bitty things, right.
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  Speaker 1: You're starting to see. And as that's happening, The team
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  Speaker 1: is starting to get built. Andrew Bogut gets traded for.
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  Speaker 1: They trade Monte for Monte Ellis, who was a real
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  Speaker 1: pillar in the community. And I've gotten into some trouble
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  Speaker 1: that you guys can go Google, but he gets traded
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  Speaker 1: for Andrew Bogut. And then, you know, Andre Guadalla and
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  Speaker 1: after 2013 signs with the team. And you're starting to
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  Speaker 1: see this championship roster kind of come into fold. And
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, Mark Jackson was the coach
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  Speaker 1: that helped not only galvanize his team, but show them
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  Speaker 1: they can get to the postseason. And what you see
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  Speaker 1: from a lot of coaches are teams go in steps, right?
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  Speaker 1: Different coaches are needed for different types of teams. And
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  Speaker 1: Mark Jackson was needed for the type of team that
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  Speaker 1: needed to figure themselves out, but also know that they
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  Speaker 1: can go into the big stage. Now, was he the
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  Speaker 1: coach necessarily to Um, once they get to the big stage,
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  Speaker 1: you know, get them to winning and being contender status.
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  Speaker 1: One will never know, but the jury is probably not.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how you get to Steve Kerr. But Mark
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  Speaker 1: Jackson was a pivotal point. And if you ask anybody
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  Speaker 1: within the Warriors organization, at least the players, the organization
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  Speaker 1: on the front office didn't like him. But talk to Draymond,
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  Speaker 1: talk to Clay, you talk to anybody that's with that
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  Speaker 1: or as a foundational player, they will go back and say,
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  Speaker 1: we're not here without Mark Jackson.
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  Speaker 2: So I think the part that Mark doesn't get enough
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  Speaker 2: credit for, because the primary criticism of him when he
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  Speaker 2: coached the Warriors, aside from, you know, some of the
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  Speaker 2: way that he brought his Jesus with him to work,
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  Speaker 2: was that his offense was a bit antiquated, right? Like
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  Speaker 2: a lot of mid post work for Harrison Barnes and
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  Speaker 2: all that. But I think this is where Mark, where
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  Speaker 2: he deserves some credit. Number one, He called it as
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  Speaker 2: soon as he got that job. He said he had
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  Speaker 2: the best shooting backcourt in the history of the NBA,
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  Speaker 2: and we thought that that was hyperbole, and none of
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  Speaker 2: us can come up with the number two answer at
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  Speaker 2: this point. We would all agree that the Splash Brothers
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  Speaker 2: didn't have a name yet before Mark Jackson got there.
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  Speaker 3: I think he gets credit there.
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  Speaker 2: Number two, and I think it's important, his first year
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  Speaker 2: coaching them, Steph– that was the year Steph was hurt.
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  Speaker 2: Steph only played 28 minutes a game, but he shot
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  Speaker 2: 4.73s per game. That second year with Mark Jackson– He
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  Speaker 2: shot 7.7 threes per game the next year, 7.9. Those
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  Speaker 2: numbers are dwarfed a bit by where they ultimately became,
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  Speaker 2: but that was the beginning of expanding the paradigm of
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  Speaker 2: how much people shot threes.
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  Speaker 3: Courage just took it crazy, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like, When we get to 2016, now he's taking 11
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  Speaker 2: threes a game, right? Like now we're at something else,
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  Speaker 2: but it's easy to forget that Steph Curry was leading
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  Speaker 2: the league in three-pointers attempted before that, right?
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  Speaker 3: Mark Jackson made.
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  Speaker 2: The decision that, hey, we got a guy that is
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  Speaker 2: a superstar caliber player, makes second team all NBA in
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  Speaker 2: Mark's last year there, right? The thing that happened that
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  Speaker 2: last year, though, I don't know exactly what happened. Joe
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  Speaker 2: Lacob hated his guts. And I didn't have to be
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  Speaker 2: around the team to see that. I just had to
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  Speaker 2: watch games and see Joe Lacob sitting courtside. And he
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  Speaker 2: hated Mark Jackson so much that he would just shake
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  Speaker 2: his head at him.
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  Speaker 3: What is he doing? Yeah. But Mark Jackson also had
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  Speaker 3: that wild shit where.
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  Speaker 2: Darren Ehrman was working as a spy and recording stuff
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  Speaker 2: and taking it back to other people. that Mark Jackson
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  Speaker 2: had to fire. I mean, it was it was chaos
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  Speaker 2: around him. Like the reason why Jackson does not have
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  Speaker 2: another job is that stuff. Right. Like he was a
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  Speaker 2: pretty good basketball coach who existed in a world of
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  Speaker 2: paranoid chaos, but also made that basketball team better.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was that. There was like an extortion, too. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: there was. There's a funny story.
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  Speaker 3: A fake-ass man of God.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a funny story, speaking of being a
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  Speaker 1: man of God, of like where they, I think it
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  Speaker 1: was one of the Clippers series. I think it was
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  Speaker 1: the Clippers series, but they were in L.A. Let's just
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  Speaker 1: say they were in L.A. And Mark Jackson brought the
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  Speaker 1: whole team to his church. And there's a famous story
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  Speaker 1: where Hilton Armstrong gets saved. And he is, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to say necessarily like hallucinating, but like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: everybody who's been to a black church know what we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about. But he was in the parking lot just
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  Speaker 1: basically with Jesus in his soul and basically like sprouting
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  Speaker 1: out hymns. And that was one of the, that's the
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  Speaker 1: famous story that gets told about a lot in the
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  Speaker 1: bowels of both Oracle and Chase Center to this day. So,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there was a lot of... He got them,
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  Speaker 1: let's say, Mark Jackson got them to a point, but
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  Speaker 1: at a certain point it would be like, at what cost?
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  Speaker 1: And they had to get somebody in there, the Warriors did,
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  Speaker 1: who can kind of like professionalize a little bit, and
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  Speaker 1: that's where we get to Steve Kerr. Yeah, let us.
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  Speaker 2: Not forget, in the season of chaos for the Los
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  Speaker 2: Angeles Clippers in 2014, when they won that first round
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  Speaker 2: series in a game seven, That was the last game
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  Speaker 2: that Mark Jackson coached.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Where the Clippers are.
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  Speaker 2: Going out, where inside out, inside out warmups and everything
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  Speaker 2: else and all that went down.
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  Speaker 1: And the leg of the Donald Sterling tapes, the TMZ,
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  Speaker 1: Donald Sterling tapes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: All of that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: That was the last game Mark Jackson coach. And when
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  Speaker 2: they hired Steve Kerr, I think it's easy to forget
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  Speaker 2: that it did not look good.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Steve Kerr had been doing TV at the time. And
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  Speaker 2: my humble opinion, wasn't very good at all right joe
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  Speaker 2: lakob was asked why he hired steve kerr or how
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  Speaker 2: he got to know steve kerr and he said he
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  Speaker 2: got to know him while playing golf so this black
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  Speaker 2: man who had just got your team up to 50
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  Speaker 2: wins a team whose best player at the time was
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  Speaker 2: stephen curry in the way that we viewed stephen curry
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  Speaker 2: at the time right you're telling us that these warriors
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  Speaker 2: who have been terrible For the better part of two decades,
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  Speaker 2: you are saying the coach that got them to 50
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  Speaker 2: wins and after three years consistently won more games, you're
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  Speaker 2: telling us that this team isn't good enough? And you
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  Speaker 2: not only need a new coach, you need a new
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  Speaker 2: coach that's never coached before.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, that you're.
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  Speaker 2: Paying $ 5 million a year to take the job. And
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  Speaker 2: that was so controversial that the Knicks hired Derek Fisher.
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  Speaker 3: To coach them.
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  Speaker 2: And they had to give him $ 5 million a year.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. I would like to add to that too, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because there, there are a few things also Steve Kerr
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  Speaker 1: failed general manager at the time of the, of the
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  Speaker 1: Phoenix suns, his, his crowning achievement. I wouldn't even call
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  Speaker 1: it achievement, his crowning moment as the Phoenix suns GM
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  Speaker 1: was trading for Shaq when the game was going completely
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  Speaker 1: the other way, um, a deal he regrets. And then
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  Speaker 1: also this is, This team, the Golden State Warriors, were
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  Speaker 1: about a month removed from considering to strike because of
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  Speaker 1: the Donald Sterling racism. Right. And you you see that.
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  Speaker 1: And also, by the way, this is the locker room.
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  Speaker 1: Forget what the front office thinks. The locker room loved
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  Speaker 1: Mark Jackson. Like they loved who he was and they
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  Speaker 1: loved what he had done for them. And kind of
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  Speaker 1: have thorough brows after he got he got let go,
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  Speaker 1: even though the writing was kind of on the wall
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  Speaker 1: that he was going to be let go just like
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  Speaker 1: weeks before. And then you put in Steve Kerr, who
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  Speaker 1: is not proven as a coach whatsoever and then has
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  Speaker 1: everything that you have that you have just described. And
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  Speaker 1: he's already been a failed general manager. Right. And so
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  Speaker 1: it was it was a lot of things that were
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  Speaker 1: going against Steve at the time. We did not see
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  Speaker 1: what we're about to talk about on the horizon at all.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there was it was it was I was. I
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  Speaker 4: was one of the many people that was like, come on.
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  Speaker 4: And one other thing, it looked like the team had
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  Speaker 4: hit a ceiling with Mark Jackson. And not necessarily we
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  Speaker 4: didn't think it was Mark Jackson's fault, but it seemed like, OK,
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  Speaker 4: this is a fun team.
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  Speaker 1: Right. They got to the second round in 2013 and
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  Speaker 1: then they kind of then they they lost in the
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  Speaker 1: first round. in 2014, we're like, is this just what
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  Speaker 1: the team is? Like, is this going to be a fun,
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  Speaker 1: exciting team that just loses in the first round? That
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  Speaker 1: was kind of what we thought this was going to be.
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  Speaker 1: Like Don Nelson, basically, right?
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  Speaker 2: But there was nothing in NBA history to indicate a
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  Speaker 2: team that was constructed as that team was constructed was anything.
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  Speaker 3: More than a fun team that was going to lose early.
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  Speaker 2: And they bring Kerr in and Kerr's there. And I
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  Speaker 2: think the most interesting thing that happens with this team
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  Speaker 2: David Lee gets hurt. And look, David Lee had been
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  Speaker 2: an NBA all-star. It's kind of interesting to think about
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  Speaker 2: what they would have been with David Lee because of
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  Speaker 2: his skills, right? His ability to shoot and everything else.
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  Speaker 2: But they put Draymond Green in as a starter, something
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  Speaker 2: that nobody, an idea that no one had entertained up
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  Speaker 2: until that point, right? Like he was a, hey, well,
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  Speaker 2: he was an excellent college player and an excellent college
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  Speaker 2: player in the mold of guys that you call excellent
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  Speaker 2: college players, right?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: Maybe let's see, maybe this will be something.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: And they jumped out in 2015 or 2014, 2015 on fire,
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: on fire.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Like just, I just want to take a moment to
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: just talk about Draymond green for, for a second. Right?
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Like he has the career at Michigan state. He under
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: Mark Jackson, he's kind of him pecked because of the
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: David Lee stuff. He's kind of just basically like, we're
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: just going to be, you're a great defender. We're going
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: to put you on Kobe. We're going to put you
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: on LeBron. And that's kind of just what you are. Right.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: And then, something happens. He has a couple big games
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: in the 13 playoffs, but in the 14 playoffs, he
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: really kind of builds confidence in himself. Not to say
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: he lacked confidence because Bo, this is a guy that
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: told his veteran, Jeremy Tyler, that you are, I am
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: no longer your rook. You are not worthy enough to
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: beat my veteran. That's what he says when he gets drafted.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: So he's a different kind of dude, but he, during
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: that Clippers series, he kind of finds himself and he tells,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: he tells this famous story about how he told his,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: his shoe rep, Adrian Staley, like, They don't know what
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: they got. They don't know what they got. And there's
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: all of this pent up anger because, you know, he
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: from a child in Michigan when, you know, he's at
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: the rec center and he's telling people are telling him
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: he can't be on the floor. He has to earn
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: his way on the floor at the rec center in Saginaw. Then,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: you know, he has the Michigan State career. But then,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: you know, even Steph like had some like, who is
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: this dude? Energy towards Draymond when he gets into the
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: locker room and then he has to prove himself all
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: over again. And then when he's about to get his
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: new deal or try to fight for a new deal,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: he has a new coach. So he has a huge
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: monumental chip on his shoulder going into this 14-15 season
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: that kind of manifests as David Lee is hurt, and
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: he kind of goes into the fold.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: They started the season 21-2. 21-2, and I'm looking at
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: it right now. These games weren't really that close. No.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: Like they, everything is like, what is going on? And
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: do not.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Forget what the big story was going into that season.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: LeBron went back to Cleveland and then they went and
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: got Kevin Love. Like, the story was supposed to be
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Miami took... LeBron took the show from Miami, got to Cleveland.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: They immediately got their own big three situation. Everything that
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: was supposed to matter was supposed to matter with that team.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: And suddenly it was all.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: About the Warriors.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Like, what we thought LeBron and Cleveland was going to
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: be never really happened.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: And it was.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: And look, those teams went to the finals four times.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: They won a championship. We'll talk about, you know, at
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: another point.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: But.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: This was not supposed to be about the Warriors like this.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: It very rarely in the NBA does a dynasty emerge
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: from nowhere.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: This one felt like it was from nowhere.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: And it was because there was an entire shifting paradigm
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: of how to play basketball. Like Steve Kerr, Mike D'Antoni
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: got in the Hall of Fame for the influence of
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the seven seconds or less era. Steve Kerr took that
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: and went to a whole nother place. And I think
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: changed basketball even more.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. It's funny. I'm going to make a
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Bo Manny type of comparison where I go all the
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: way this way and then come back to the point.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: But I think one of the people that I'm listening
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: to right now and somebody I've been trying to get
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: you to listen to for a long time is Larry June.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: And the reason why I like Larry June is because
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: he's an amalgamation of a whole bunch of different types
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: of rappers that we love. Like he sounds like Mac
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Dre one day. He sounds like Warren G one day.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: He has a little short in him, has a little
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: jacka in him, has a little 40 in him, has
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: a little short in him, right? And I think about
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that with Steve Kerr, right, where he has– a little
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: bit of Greg Popovich in him, has a little bit
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: of Phil Jackson in him, has D'Antoni in him, has
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: all of these little bits of influences in him. One
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: of the things that he says that he did going
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: into this 14-15 season was he just studied every type
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: of coach in all of their sets. He studied Brad Stevens'
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: after-timeout sets. He studied the philosophy of Phil Jackson and
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: how he can update some of the intricacies of the
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: triangle offense. He learned a lot from Pop. And he
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: kind of brought that into this type of free-flowing team.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: And also, if you go look back, it's so funny
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: to look back at the commentary of that 14-15 team
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: because nobody really knew how to talk about them because
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: we had never seen it before, right? It's a team
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: centered around a small guard who doesn't really have a
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: traditional big. They did in Bogut, but like he wasn't
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the guy, the actual guy. Right. This is a time
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: when Dwight Howard is coming into the fold. And that's
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: like a pendulum swing when he goes from the Lakers
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to the Rockets. Right. And so we don't really know
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: how to talk about this team. Yeah, they're winning. But yeah,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Chuck is saying they can't win because they're a jump
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: shooting team was completely misses the point of what this
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: team was. They get a lot of shit for just
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: being a shooting team. But the real thing that they
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: were great at was just being a versatile team. You know,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: they had the death lineup, which I'm sure we're going
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: to talk about, but they could play Draymond Green at
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the five. Or if you have a big team, they
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: could play Bogut at the five. Or they were just
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: so interchangeable defensively. And, you know, that really came into play.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: And to your point, though, before we get to your
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: next question, It wasn't just the Cavs that we thought
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: were going to be something. The Spurs were really good
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: that season.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Well, the 2014 Spurs are one of the greatest teams
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: of all time.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Of all time. And they're going into the next season.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: So you're thinking about the Spurs are trying to win
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: a championship this year. If you look at even the predictions,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I think Ethan Strauss was the only person that said
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: the Warriors had a chance to win the title. And
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: even then, we were like, what the hell are you
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: talking about? But it was the Spurs. It was the Cavs.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: the Thunder were in that mix. That's right.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: They had gone to the West Finals, and this is
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: before Durant broke his foot.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: He wound up breaking his foot that year.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: It's the combination of we've never seen this before, and
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: also we're upending a lot of people's plans who have
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: plans to win a championship for these next few years,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: and also individual legacies because you talk about LeBron, but
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: we're also talking about Russell Westbrook, who's like, who's this dude?
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, James Harden. A whole generation of
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: players who have plans to be in the finals year in,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: year out. All their plans is all fucked up.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, look, they ran through the league. They
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: won that championship.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: But the championship, they kept running up against teams whose
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: point guards were hurt, right? There was a couple down
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: 2-1 situations. They were down 2-1 to Memphis in the
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Western Conference Finals. They were down 2-1 to the Cavs
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: in the NBA Finals. They won it, but they won
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: it in a way where Andre Iguodala wound up being
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: finals MVP because we saw Dele win. getting Steph shit
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: for a little while. We were like, yo, we can't
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: reward that sort of behavior.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: By the way, missed the Cavs, missed the Clippers and
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the Spurs on that bracket too.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: They did. They did. Like it was.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: The issue was confirmation bias, right? Like it was a
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: team that we had all kinds of reasons to be
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: skeptical of because jump shooting teams don't win championships. The
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: part that we ignored about the Warriors was we think
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: of them as being a team that played small, but
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: they're not small. Draymond Green was the only guy that
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: was undersized for his position. But Steph Curry, this is
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: not the Steph Curry of 2008. Steph Curry had legitimate
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: size as a point guard. Clay Thompson is a big
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: two guard. Harrison Barnes, a big three. Andre Iguodala, a
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: big three. Andrew Bogut, a legitimate size center. Festus Azili
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: coming off the bench. Like, they had big guys. David Lee,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: you know, when he does come back and gets a run.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: They had big players for their positions. They just played
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: what we viewed as being small ball, but it became
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: important because they could play defensive because Draymond Green had
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: the long enough arms and could guard all the players
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: like Sean Marion, for example, with those sons. That's what
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: allows you to play that sort of game. So they
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: win a championship. We come back in 2016. Steve Kerr
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: has got a fucked up back, right?
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: He cannot.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I had forgotten that until right now. Steve Kerr does
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: not coach the start of the year because his back
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: is hurt. And so they make Luke Walton the coach.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Except they didn't really make Luke Walton the coach. Luke
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Walton wore the suit. Draymond Green assigned himself to be
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: the coach. One thing Draymond Green said that would happen
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: when he was the coach was he was going to
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: shoot a lot more threes.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: And he did. And by the way, he made a
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: lot of them.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: And they took off on the entire league.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Like, this was.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: If you were skeptical before, they were going to shoot
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: you completely out of it. And Steph Curry was as
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: dominant a scorer, it felt like, as we had seen,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: especially for somebody his size with his style of game.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: He's the greatest player ever who didn't live at the line.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: He was just making shots, just precise.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Very rarely do you see a team who won a
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: championship have the chip on their shoulder the way that
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors team did, right? Because one thing you
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: were talking about, we were just talking about the playoffs
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: in the 14-15 season where they missed the one side
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: of the bracket that everybody deemed was tough. But also,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: the Cavs were playing without Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: in that finals for most of that final series in 15, right?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: So everybody just said, oh, you guys beat LeBron? Then
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: that's cool, but you guys didn't. You know, you beat
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: a very hobbled Cavs team and you still could have
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: lost that series because you guys were down 2-1. And
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: so they're bringing all of that slights and energy and
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: all those things into that following season. And also, they're
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: just so fucking good, right? Like, they're just really good.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: And every.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: There were so many signature games that I'm sure we're
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: going to get to within that regular season, but I
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: just remember one of the games that really sticks out
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: to me is the game against Boston. It was an
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: early season game. It was right... was when they got
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: their 23rd win in a row to start the season and.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Say say that again hold on say that again because
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: i feel like we're moving past it.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Was it was it was it was their 23rd uh
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: they started the season 23 excuse me 24 you know
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: they were going into boston excuse me uh winning uh
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: going 23 winning 23 straight games to start the season
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: and they go into overtime And that was one of
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Draymond's early signature games. And it was every bit of
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Draymond because people forget. And I know Draymond gets a
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: lot of shit for his offensive or lack of offensive
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: prowess over the last few years. But like he was
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: genuinely a pretty good offensive player.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Right. Oh, that guy that could get that year. That
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: was not a complaint. Draymond Green is the coach. The
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: offense came around.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: And like we'll get to it. I mean, you'll get
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: to it in the finals when we talk about his
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: performance then. But like. he gave you every single thing
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: that you could want, right? Like he basically took over
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the game and they had dudes, he took over that game.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: They went into double overtime. He helps win the game
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: for them. And you could see his force of will
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: kind of come into focus. And what happens is as Draymond,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: as the game starts to happen, Draymond is pushing them.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: We got to go for this record. We got to
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: go for this record. We got to go for this record.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: And because Lou Walton is a substitute teacher in throughout
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: the first part of that season, they're able to do
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: whatever they want. And fortunately, they have guys that can
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: kind of regulate to a certain extent. They have Andre Iguodala,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: they have Sean Livingston, they have a very veteran core.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: But it comes to a head when Steve comes back.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And Steve's like, no, actually, I don't want you to
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: shoot that many threes, Draymond. And Draymond's like, yo, what
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: are you talking about? And it kind of comes to
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: a head in that February matchup against OKC, which was
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: a wild game.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Yo, so that was the one I was going to
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: talk about. And for people who don't remember this.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: They're losing at halftime. I forget what the score was
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: at halftime, but the Warriors were losing at halftime. And
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Steve Kerr is back now. He has come back from
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: the back injury. And by the way, it is kind
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: of crazy that 10 years later, he's still coaching because
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: he was in that kind of pain from back surgery
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: that makes guy like, I had a.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Buddy of mine who was talking to me about this.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I forget who we were talking about recently that had
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: something come up and it's just like, no matter what
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: somebody says they did to avoid back pain, after they've
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: had it, I will understand it.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: And that's where Kerr was. He was physically decimated. But
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: once Kerr was the coach, Draymond wasn't the coach anymore.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: And halftime of that Warriors game, I mean, of that
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Warriors-Thunder game in Oklahoma City, Lisa Salters comes on TV
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: to report that they could hear Draymond screaming in the.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Hallway, I am not a robot.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: That was the part that I will always remember, was
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the I am not a robot line, which is basically,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Steve Curry told.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Him that he shouldn't be shooting that much.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: And he didn't see why he shouldn't be shooting that much,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: but it seemed like they were collapsing, right? Just under
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: the weight of the withering personality of Draymond green. And
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: then they came back with big shot. Steph hit at
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: the end of regulation before they wanted it over time.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, there was a lot of things that happened.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I want to go back to the, I want to
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: go back to the halftime part because I remember watching this.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I remember being in Emeryville, watching this on television. And
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I remember being scared because I, And Draymond Green being
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: a black man and the police in Oklahoma City talking
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: about how they might have to go up in that
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: locker room and break up that fight. I remember thinking
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: about that. Right. And then they're down 11 and then
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: they just start going on a run.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: And there's like there was a play where, by the way,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I want to go back again because we have to
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: contextualize this Oklahoma City Warriors rivalry going into it because
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: there's so many things that are kind of convoluting going
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: into this game. The Warriors were so good that year,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: but it was one of those things whenever they played OKC,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: it was like, oh, shit, OKC might be a problem
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: for us going into the postseason if we ever play
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: them again because they play us so well and they
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: match up so well with us because they have the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: same length as us, because they have Kevin Durant and
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: they have Russell Westbrook. They have all of this athleticism
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and defensive prowess. But what you started to see, the
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Warriors make a run and you just see just grave
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: mistakes by Oklahoma City down the stretch of that game
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: because No matter what was going on behind the scenes,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma City had very much control of it. And there's
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: a couple of plays where Kevin Durant throws some just
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: wild passes, and then you see the worst of Russell Westbrook.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: That kind of previews what we see in the Western
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Conference Finals. But then... There's this weird thing where Draymond
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: plays fucking awesome in that second half, even after he
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: yells at his coach. And then and then there's the
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: three pointer that happens by Steph and the Mike Breen moment.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: And then there's some sort of vindication. But we still
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: got to figure this out. But this argument that happened
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: beforehand and it starts, there's a complaint that happens after,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: it's like when Kevin leaves, Kevin Durant comes to the
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Warriors and he leaves. But the complaint when he leaves
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: is the Warriors sweep too many things under the rug.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: And that is a problem. And you start to see
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: that with Draymond, like the antics that happened The Warriors
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: continue to sweep that under the rug because they're starting
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: to win more and more. And when you're winning, the
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Draymond antics don't really matter. But when you start losing,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: that's when you have the biggest spotlight on you. And
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: all of that kind of came together was the first thing.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: It was the first time it really came together on
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: a big monumental type of television game. And that's another
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: thing that's so fascinating about this team is, yeah, they won.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: But we really just don't have soap operas like that
• 30:27
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• 30:29
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  Speaker 1: 15 is when they like when they be like open
• 30:37
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• 30:40
  Speaker 1: team is when they kind of just like just take
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  Speaker 1: full step into every. They were the top story in sports,
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• 30:58
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 3: We are back with Logan Murdoch.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: And that is a very good point that you just
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: made right on the front side of the break. I
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: think it's important is that at that point, they were
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: the number one story in sports. Now, I would disagree
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: that that didn't happen because the previous four years. um
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: lebron james and he had been that right like it
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: was it led to a natural transition because we were
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: preparing to do it again for lebron but then we
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: wound up with this bigger story that became the warriors
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: and then they won the championship and then steph was
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: unlike anything that we had ever seen right like i
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: think we have talked about a lot of things but
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: i want to make sure to stop in this moment
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: and just appreciate one thing that's important to note and
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: i talked about this earlier started shooting a lot more
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: threes like at this point he's shooting 11 three-pointers a
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: game Nobody's done that in the NBA at that point.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: 11 three-pointers, and he's making, hold on, let me make sure, 45%
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: of them while making 56% of his twos and making 90%.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Of his free throws.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: And for the first time in about a decade, we
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: are legitimately considering the possibility that somebody's a better basketball
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: player than LeBron Jackson.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at his stats with you right now on
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Basketball Reference, and I'm continuing to be floored on this.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: He's an unanimous MVP for a reason. He's averaging 30
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: a game, 50% from field goal range. This is just
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: raw numbers. 45% from three-point range. That's insane. Whilst taking
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: 11 threes a game. That's crazy work.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: And leading the league in steals.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: And leading the league in steals. I mean, yeah, say
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: that to people who say Steph can't play defense, which
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a below average defender, but that's good
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: for him. But anyways, him coming into the fold. And again,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: it goes back to, we didn't know how to talk
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: about Steph in that way. And when you look, I
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: was looking at highlights trying to prepare for this. And
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: when you look at the teams that they're playing, I
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: just put on like a mixtape from a highlight mixtape
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: from that year. It's weird to see the Warriors play
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the style they're playing because it's literally the norm now.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: But the other rosters that they're playing against have nothing
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: for this team because they just simply don't have the personnel, right?
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I saw the, if you look at the home opener
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: of that season, when they're getting their rings, they're playing
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: against the New Orleans Pelicans. And the Pelicans are trotting
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: out Kendrick Perkins for picking roles against Steph. And it's
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: just very disrespectful. And I love Kendrick Perkins. But they
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: just simply don't have the personnel to fuck with Steph
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: and by extension, the rest of this team. Because there's
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: so many people that can get their own shot. We
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: didn't even talk about Harrison Barnes who can get his
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: own shot. Andre Godala who can get his own shot.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: And then you put the greatest shooter of all time
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: to close the game out. It's really crazy. And then also,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I want to get on Steph and LeBron for this thing.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Because what we fail to realize is LeBron was like
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Steph's big homie for a while, right? And then I
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: don't know if you've experienced this, but I've definitely experienced this.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: where the big homie is no longer the big homie anymore,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: and I'm on the same playing field as the big homie,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: and the adjustment that goes with that. They're buddy-buddy now,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: LeBron and Steph, but there was a real angst and
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: animus to them. I don't care what they say. There
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: was a bit of like, nah, bro, this is my show.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: And then LeBron, what we talked about earlier, is like, no, wait,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: this was supposed to be for me. You're fucking up
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: my Disney moment right now. What are we doing? What's
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: going on? And you could kind of see that tension there.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: In 14-15, but it really– because we haven't talked about
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: the Cavs, but the Cavs were really good that season.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: It was a weird season in 14-15 because that was
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the David Blatt season.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: That was the David Blatt season, but they got their
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: shit together. They did. And they were really good, and
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: the Spurs were really good, but the Warriors, 73-9, kind
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: of erases all of that. But you kind of see
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: that tension throughout the entire season between both of those guys.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: No, man, you're right. It, it really came to pass.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: We'll talk more in the finals is when you really
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: got to see it in the 2016 finals that it
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: was like, Oh, Oh, I thought it was different. Right?
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Like Steph is very interesting because we think of Steph
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: is like, you know, like that baby face assassin thing,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: the assassin thing matters, right?
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Steph, Steph, a killer. And we treat him like he,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: a child. Very often.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: It's funny. There's a, there's a, there's a thing that, um,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: 50 cent always talks about when he talks about Kendrick Lamar.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: And when he talks about Kendrick, uh, Kendrick tries to
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: he tells a story about how Kendrick just like likes
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: to act like, oh, like, yeah, man, I'm just so humble.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: This is so cool that I'm here and stuff. And
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: 50 talking about this time where he says like he
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: looks at him and he's like, you know what you're doing.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: And it's like the sly smile from Kendrick of like,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: what do you mean? Steph is a bit the same way. Right.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Where he kind of puts a projects this like, yeah,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: like I'm. I'm happy to be here. You know, he
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: says all the right things. But then when you get
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: him in some private moments, right, like there's a whisper.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: There's the whisper of like, yeah, I know what's going
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: on and I want to kill everybody.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: And you kind of see that when you're around him
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: more so. More so now he's kind of brought it
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: out of him. But in 15, 16, you didn't really
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: see it. You didn't see like the sly. It was
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: more smiling and dancing. But yeah, it was in him.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: No, the big thing is basically the big homie looked
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: up and it's not even simply that he realized the
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: little homie wasn't the little homie no more. It's that
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: he looked up and he realized that the little homie
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: thought he was the big homie now.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Like I think that people, what people misunderstand about Steph
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: is regardless of how good you think Steph is, I
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: assure you, Steph Curry.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Thinks he's better.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: And I believe this because at every turn of his
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: basketball playing career, we've all been like, wow, he's really good. Yeah,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: but right.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: And he's been, like no.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Like we're like wow steph curry became maybe the best
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: player in the nba didn't see that coming i guess
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: guess who did right like guess guess well look.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: At look at who he's playing against right look even
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: the western conference and people that we was talking about
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: right even all the players that are compared to him
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: who he's beaten kevin durant russell westbrook James Harden, Anthony Davis,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: LeBron James, all of his peers, he is beaten.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Like Anthony Edwards is on a very similar trajectory, but
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: doesn't have the pelts on it yet. But like I'm
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: saying with Steph, before he even had done that, I
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: assure you, he is not surprised at where any of
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: this has gone. But as that year goes on, I mean, look, man,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: they run through the rest of the league. Never forget
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: that they were a big enough deal that when it
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: was time for them to go for their 73rd win
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: to set the record for regular season wins, Kobe's playing
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: his last game was relegated to ESPN2. He scored those
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: 60 points on ESPN2. Because the Warriors getting 73 was
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: on ESPN because that was what level of phenomenon this
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: team was. And so something I talked about with Kaitlyn
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Clark that I think was interesting in terms of like
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: evaluating how she got to be as big as she
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: had at the time was that finally women's basketball, what
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: women's basketball didn't have or never has had is like
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: a high flyer, right? It's not that type of game,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: but the high flyers back in the day were the
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: ones that got all the attention and got the people
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: out of their seats. And this day and age, it's
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: not the high flyers, it's the three-point shooters. And Steph
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Curry is the one who changed the paradigm about what
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: became must-see entertainment in basketball. These warriors changed that paradigm
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: of what became must-see entertainment in basketball. It was watching
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: them shoot threes, which again ran counter to everything we
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: believe was necessary for you to be able to do
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: in order to win in the NBA. But it wasn't
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: just that it was Steph. It's Steph with Klay Thompson.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: So you got these.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Two dudes who are shooting over 40% from three.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: And a paradigm shift created by Kerr in understanding that
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: it's okay to shoot more of these threes, right? Like
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: we're now so far removed from Larry Bird thinking that
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: three-point shots were beneath him, right? Which is crazy. These
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: guys are trying to put up as many, right? These
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: are just like, I don't even need that, right? Like
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: think about what Larry Bird would have been in the
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: way we talked about him if the paradigm had adjusted
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: in that time, right? Yeah. Kerr took it there. Curry
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: and Thompson took it there. So now they're shooting a
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: zillion threes, and you have games where they're down by
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: 15 at the half, and what they became is the
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: best third-quarter team I feel like I had ever seen,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: in part because they could roll out what our man
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Vinny Goodwill named, and I wish he could.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Have trademarked it, the death lineup.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: And the death lineup is when they put Draymond at center, Iguodala,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Harrison Barnes, Clay Thompson and Steph Curry, and they could
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: only run it for about 10 minutes a game because
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: it was too small, right? Yeah. But I would find
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: that that would be the winning margin in a lot
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: of games, especially when they got to the playoffs, is
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: that you could think that you could hold even or
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: even take a 10-point lead on them in those other minutes,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: and then it's all going to fall apart when they
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: put in this lineup.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: It would be, especially in the playoffs, right? Like, you
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: would go get media meals. You know, you get media meals,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: you probably come out like... you know, maybe two minutes
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: into the third quarter, right? And I think when that
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: death lineup came out, we would make sure that we
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: were all out by that 12-minute mark so we could
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: see what was going on. And especially at Oracle in
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: a building like that where there would be, we would
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: always call it, there would be the Steph roar, there
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: would be the Clay roar, and there would just be
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: the Warriors roar. But like you would, what it would
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: do to that building was just, you would feel like
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: it would, because it was an old building. It was,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I think it was made in 1968. And you thought
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: that the walls were going to come in.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: And it was just it was that was one element
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: of it. The other element of it was, again, to
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: the commentary, we didn't know how to talk about it.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: We didn't know what we were seeing in real time.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: And that led to the excitement even more. And I
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: think this was the first Twitter team where you were like, OK,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter. Wait, I got to watch this team.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Twitter is telling you that you need to get in
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: front of. I think Wimby has a similar phenomenon when
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Wimby is cooking now, but it's not like that. Where
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: you had to be in front of a television to
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: see what was going on because there was a game.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: There was and there's so many moments where this happened. Right.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I think about game I think was game three or
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: four of the 15 first round where they're down in
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: New Orleans and out of nowhere, they just go on
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: a run and they go. They tied a game up
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: and it was a crazy three from Steph. And you
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: would just continually see these types of games and no
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: lead was safe. And I think the third quarter will
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: put the fear of God and other teams because you
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: didn't know who was going to go off. You didn't
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: know if Clay was just going to go on a
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: crazy rampage. You didn't know if it was going to
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: be Steph. You didn't know if it was just going
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: to be the defense that was just going to parlay
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: into a run. It was it was a fun thing
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: to watch. And I don't think we're going to see
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: that anytime soon.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: And look, they get to the playoffs and.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: They beat Houston 4-1 in the first round, but the
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: issue in the first round is that Steph Hurst, it was.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: The MCL was the injury.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he slipped. And we see.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Him hurt to close out that series.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: He is hurt.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was hurt to begin the series against Portland.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: But I think the thing that gets forgotten about this squad,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: they was rolling without him. Like, I don't think they
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: would have been able to win a championship without him,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: but they were still rolling without him.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the biggest thing, if you look back,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Sean Livingston was really good in stabilizing that team when
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Steph was out, right? And he really was able to
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: galvanize that team around them. It was just a different
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: style of play that they had to play. They had
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: to play more methodical play, less chaotic. Draymond had to
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: have a little bit more responsibility. But Sean Livingston was
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: like the unsung hero of that playoff series. And once
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: he got back, they were back up and rolling against Portland.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: And again, that kind of also goes to The teams
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: that they were playing, Houston, I believe, was an eight
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: seed that year. And Portland was a terrible matchup. The
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Warriors were a terrible matchup for Portland. And so they
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: could kind of, you know, win. This was a crash
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: course to Oklahoma City. And the Warriors were so head
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: and shoulders above the rest of the league that they
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: could kind of carry themselves without Steph for a couple
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: of rounds. But they they had to get him right
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: for Oklahoma City.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Well, I want to make this point about Sean Livingston also,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: because it speaks to like the larger composition of this team,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: which is Sean Livingston was the dude that never shot threes.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Like Sean Livingston's game was to kill you at the elbow, right?
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Being a 6'7, backup point guard. Right, right.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Because by now we've.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Seen his knee fold over in front of the world.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, like we.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: He was a feel good element of his team that
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: this guy who came out of high school and we
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: never got to see what it could have been. but
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: he had such an important role on that squad. But
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: the Steph injury becomes important. Look, they get to the
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma City series, and what Oklahoma City did that I
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: feel like a lot of teams were kind.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Of afraid to do because the Warriors made them reactive,
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: was just go really big, right?
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Have Steven Adams and Ennis Cantor out there at the
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: same time. Ennis Cantor can't guard anybody. That's the issue,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: but they don't have anybody that can guard him. And
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: when they went up 3-1 in that series, the Warriors
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: had home court advantage, but It wasn't a quirky 3-1, right? Like,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: they were winning that series against the Warriors. Steph did
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: not look like he did in the regular season. Of course,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: that was a part of it. But, look, the Thunder
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: were doing it in that series. And they had that chance.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: They had a chance.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: To win it.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said before, throughout the season, the Warriors
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: swept the Thunder in that season series, but it wasn't
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: an easy sweep by any means. You always knew that
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: it was going to be Oklahoma City that they were
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: going to play because, just like I said, the matchups.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: They had everything that the Warriors did, but they were
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: just bigger. If you look at those first few games,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: when there was a switch of Steph Curry, if he
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: switched from Steven Adams, he was going to get switched
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: on to Kevin Durant. And Kevin Durant, people look at
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: him as one of the greatest offensive players, but when
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: he wanted to, he was an elite defender. Right. Because
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: he can guard multiple positions and he could be a
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: rim protector. And you saw every bit of that with
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Kevin Durant. And you could I went to a few
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: games in that series and you could just see just
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: them stifling. Basically hobbled Steph and Steph had to get
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: his knee right, even when we're talking. We didn't talk
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: about the Portland series, the I'm back game, but he
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: was pretty bad in that. He kind of had to
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: get his feet back up under him. And he probably
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: rushed back from that knee injury, because if you remember it,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: that knocked him out of the Olympics, that injury. He
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: had to rehabilitate for the next season. And you could
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: kind of see just the weight of the season and
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: everything going against them throughout that season, going for the championship,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: going for the record, all the hubris and the exhaustion
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: that comes with just managing a team like this kind
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: of fold onto them into that 3-1 situation. And they
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: had they had a real big hole to get out of.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: It was very assumed that we were going to see
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: LeBron versus KD in the finals, which we were all
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: great at as a basketball community. We were fine with that.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: But it was we were basically just assuming that it
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: was going to be a five game series. And damn,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: we're going to get these jokes off.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say this is my thing about that
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: series that I think is important in talking about this team.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: So I've always said that this world has two kinds
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: of people, people who think Scottie Pippen is overrated and
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: people who think Scottie Pippen is underrated. I believe that
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: the strongest Scottie Pippen criticism is there is no true
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Scottie Pippen game. You can maybe talk about game five
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: in the 91 finals, but the truth is Michael Jordan's
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: flu game should have been the Scottie Pippen game, but
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: it wasn't because Mike had Mike got the guy. Ebola
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: and he still got to come out here and do
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: this because that's just not something you can ask Scottie
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Pippen to do right.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Klay Thompson has game six against Oklahoma City, right?
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Like that's where the legend of game six Klay comes there.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: And look, it's crucial because they were losing that. Like
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: this season was about to be over. It was all
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: going to be for not. And look, they got a
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: helping hand for Russell Westbrook kind of shooting himself out
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: of things. Like the Thunder did not hold their water
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: in the opportunity to win that.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: But Klay Thompson did. Was it 37 in that game?
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Let me check real quick. Ryan, do your production magic
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: on this, my guy. Let me just make sure I
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: got this right. I got you. I got you.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: 41.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: My fault. 41, Klay Thompson.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: 41. 41 in that game. But I think the thing was,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: if you look back at that game, and I remember
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: watching it, and he was just keeping them afloat, right?
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Because they were down double digits in that game. I
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: think that game was just a perfect amalgamation of the series.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: And you kind of see that in– when you see
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: playoff series, they typically go down to one game or
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: one play. And that was the, that, that tells you
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: everything about the series. And when that three, one, when
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: the Warriors went down three, one, this is something that
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: they typically do.
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I think that, you know, a more recent example of
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: what I'm about to describe is the 2022 finals where
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Boston is pretty dominant against the Warriors for the first
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: few games. And the Warriors, I think they go down
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: to one, And that's before Steph goes on his crazy
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: run and wins the series. But they kind of use
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: those games as a just like kind of a steady
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: period where they're like, OK, we're studying the team. And
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: then once we figure it out, we're going to completely
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: exploit it. You saw that against Memphis when they put
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Andrew Bogut against Tony Allen and it completely changes the series.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: This one where what they saw in there and at
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: three once when they were down three one is Russell
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Westbrook can be a really erratic, especially when when games
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: are on the line. And they were like, okay, we
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: can exploit that. As long as we stay close, we
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: can beat these guys. And not only was Russ bad
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: down the stretch, Katie was bad as well. Like there
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: was just a lot of, he did not look in control.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: And I do want to probably get back to Clay
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: and how great he was during that. I want to,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: we haven't talked about this throughout this season. One of
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: the other wrinkles of this was the ghost of Kevin
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Durant upon this season where there is a assumption that
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: there's a Adrian Wojnarowski story, I believe that comes out
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: in February or January, where it's basically right around the
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: all-star break, right around the all-star break, where they're talking
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: about how Katie is just enamored with the Warriors and
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: there's going to be a pitch for him. And that's
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: something to look out in the off season. And you
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: see all of that, that, and that also plays a
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: part into this series. Cause it's like, what is Katie
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: going to do after this? No way. Cause we didn't
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: have a president for somebody getting beat. and then going
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: to the team he got beaten by. But then that's also,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: you can see the weight on him during the backstretch
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: of that, of that game six, where he's not, he
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't feel like he's in control necessarily of the game.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: And it's crazy because he's Kevin fucking Durant. He's one
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: of the clutch players of all time, but you see
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: just the moment getting too big for Oklahoma city. And
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: then you see the warriors kind of just pulling one
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: out of their ass. And, It was Klay Thompson who
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: balled out particularly and made the biggest shots, but it
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: was Steph who played, I believe, if I remember correctly,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: did not play well in that first half and make
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: timely shots down the stretch. And you've seen the poise
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: that was coming out of them that wasn't there for
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma City from their stars. Because, I mean, there's plays
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: where early in the shot clock, down, then they're up,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: the Thunder are, and Russ is just going full court.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: He's just throwing the ball out of bounds, right? And
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: then KD is getting double teamed, and he's just throwing
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: the ball out of bounds or dicking it. Shots that
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't necessarily, you know, take. It's a lot like honestly,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: it's a lot like what we're seeing right now with
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: the Lakers Rocket Series, where they're just doubling him and
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: there's no recourse for it. But it was it was
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: one of the defining games of of Klay Thompson's career
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: and one of the defining games of that run thus far.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: And if they would have won that that year, it
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: would have probably been defining games of that NBA season.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but look, the Warriors wound up winning that in
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Game 7, bringing it back to the house.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Another bad Russell Westbrook game to close out that series.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, KD was pretty bad in that series, too.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: KD and Russ, if you look at their shooting numbers,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: were terrible during the back half of that series. Their
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: shooting numbers were good, but their shooting attempts were pretty bad.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, like, Game 7, Durant was 10 for 19
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: from the floor.
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: Like, he.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: He wasn't there. Russ, seven for 21, right?
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Seven for 21.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: And this was on a team, you got to remember,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: that was starting self-check himself, Andre Robertson, who they were
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: playing four on five on offense.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: The thing was, he was a monster, monster defender.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Maybe the greatest defender of all time to even justify
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: the fact that he could get on.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: The floor if he's going to keep the puck.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: I feel bad for how his career ended, man. He
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: had like a nasty knee injury. His career was never
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: the same, but he was really good.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he couldn't shoot. All he could do was
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: stuff that really required knees.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? As somebody that has his
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: own self-check on the basketball floor, I empathize. Hey, look, man.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm doing this show. I ain't playing in
• 54:43
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• 54:44
  Speaker 1: We got to be professionals at something, right?
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: We do.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: We do.
• 54:48
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• 54:50
  Speaker 2: We're going to talk later about these finals, and then
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: we'll talk later in the summer about everything that came
• 54:55
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• 54:58
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