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109 UFO Encounters at Doug Hajicek’s Lake | MonsterQuest Creator Speaks · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the I Jupiter Podcast. This is episode
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  Speaker 1: and nine with the great, the Powerful, the one and
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  Speaker 1: only Doug Hicheck. That's right, ladies and gentlemen, I had
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  Speaker 1: on mister Doug Hicheck from Monster Quests come on and
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  Speaker 1: tell me about his house and how he began and
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  Speaker 1: about the UFO action.
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  Speaker 2: That's happened on this property.
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  Speaker 1: So let me go ahead and you know, apologize now
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  Speaker 1: for my poor audio quality. For some reason, once in
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  Speaker 1: a while they saw where I use changes my mic
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  Speaker 1: from this one to just the little lab mic that's
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  Speaker 1: on a computer. Good thing is mister highcheck onehead and
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  Speaker 1: we'll go ahead and talk about it anything that you want,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to your interaction and conversations with me.
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  Speaker 1: So this was a great episode and I hope you
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  Speaker 1: enjoy it.
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  Speaker 2: I know I did.
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  Speaker 1: Doug is the mand and you're never going to slow down.
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  Speaker 1: One of the best at the game looks at it
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  Speaker 1: from a really cool point of view, just very very grateful,
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  Speaker 1: very nice, very genuine, the sweetheart of a guy. And
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe he came on the show. So once again,
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  Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this episode. I know I did
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  Speaker 1: with one and only, mister Doug Hicheck.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Tom, how are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing? Good man? How is it up there? As
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  Speaker 2: a cold world?
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  Speaker 3: Luck? It's so cold you have no idea like it's
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  Speaker 3: bad compared to where you are. It's like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: hundreds of degrees differently, I think probably.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was.
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  Speaker 3: Forty below the other day, true, forty below now, quin
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  Speaker 3: Jill was like ninety two below in the northern state.
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  Speaker 3: I'm in Minnesota.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, that's fine.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody thinks I live in La or California, Like, nope,
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  Speaker 3: I live here in Minnesota. And why do I live here?
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  Speaker 3: Because I'm crazy?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's probably because you enjoy the outdoors.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's beautiful here in the summer.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Jesse Ventura always said he was standing there in
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  Speaker 2: the summers. I think we'd come down to Mexico for.
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  Speaker 3: The Lakers Mexico. Yeah, and you're in You're like on
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  Speaker 3: the peninsula down their way south.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the Baja Peninsula in the west and I'm
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  Speaker 2: on the east side on the yash, the one that's
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  Speaker 2: mysterious and speaking.
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  Speaker 3: Man, So I'm going to do that next life.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, you can come on down. Just come
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  Speaker 2: on down and hang.
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  Speaker 3: Out with me. I'm a fisherman. Like I'm a fisherman.
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  Speaker 3: Anything in the ocean or near the ocean really really
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  Speaker 3: gets me going.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a very safe part of Mexico. Man,
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  Speaker 2: it's actually very underrated. Uh, it's not so touristy. It's
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  Speaker 2: more it used to be like the old pirate fort,
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  Speaker 2: like black Beard and all that stuff. Peg that's here,
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  Speaker 2: That's where I am.
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  Speaker 3: But you guys have beautiful water and beautiful beaches, a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of beautiful stuff down crazy animal jaguars and snakes
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  Speaker 2: and all that. Well.
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  Speaker 3: I spent about a about a month down in Belize
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  Speaker 3: with is similar you know, jungles, and and I was
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  Speaker 3: exploring unchartered caves where they had found me opening. But
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  Speaker 3: even the Prime Minister of Archaeology hadn't gotten in there,
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  Speaker 3: and so my job was to go document Shibalba, which
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  Speaker 3: means you know, uh, it's like hell is what it means,
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  Speaker 3: the word for hell. And I and I went down
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  Speaker 3: there pretty ignorant, right, not really know what am I
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  Speaker 3: getting into, but I would say yes to anything back then,
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  Speaker 3: like anything, great opportunity. I'm going with. I'm hearing I'm
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  Speaker 3: going with the Armed Forces porters, and I'm thinking, okay, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 3: it's been a little weird whatever, and I'm hearing and
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  Speaker 3: then later on about a day before about how we're
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  Speaker 3: going to be hiking through the jungle for about ten
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  Speaker 3: miles some days, okay, And nobody mentioned it was going
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  Speaker 3: to be one hundred degrees. So I remember leaping into
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  Speaker 3: the rivers. You'd come across the river near the drill,
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  Speaker 3: you would just dive in and just to cool off.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, oh my god, I don't even remember. It
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  Speaker 3: was probably the hottest time of the year because it was.
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  Speaker 4: It was in the hundreds. And yeah, rain, it didn't rain.
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  Speaker 4: Rain March March about the humidity, the hu many.
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  Speaker 3: He was off the charts in the jungle. It's and
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  Speaker 3: we were doing that. I didn't know I was going
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  Speaker 3: to be repelling, Okay, that's cool walking in All these
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  Speaker 3: caves had water in them, so they were all water caves.
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  Speaker 3: And so I was swimming, diving through breakdowns underwater. I
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  Speaker 3: had lucky enough. I had brought nobody thought of it.
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  Speaker 3: I brought a rubber raft in a flotation dive bag
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  Speaker 3: to put the camera in because it was back then,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the cameras were huge, and this was for
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  Speaker 3: Discovery Channel, and so anyhow I did it. It was the
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  Speaker 3: avenger of my life. But I developed claustrophobia, yeah, because
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  Speaker 3: I had I had to be in front because I'd
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  Speaker 3: have like twenty people behind me, and to watch these
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  Speaker 3: people try to squeeze through these little things when yardy
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  Speaker 3: five miles in, Oh, it was horrible. So as long
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  Speaker 3: as I was first, and then I little underwater lanterns
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  Speaker 3: on my on my hip up all the stalagmites that
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  Speaker 3: were under the water. And so you fell and as
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  Speaker 3: Pete would tell me, if you even sprained an ankle,
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  Speaker 3: it's gonna take its days to get you out of here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: don't get hurt.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was for telling me. Now I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: You have no idea how cool. It was. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: when we're talking Indiana Jones stuff, I was lighting up
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  Speaker 3: skeletons of mainly infants that were sacrificed covered in kelsite,
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  Speaker 3: you know, sparkling kel site for the first time in
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  Speaker 3: a thousand years. Wow. And so I was like, uh,
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  Speaker 3: this is crazy. You know, they would they would venture
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  Speaker 3: in with torches or god knows how long they would
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  Speaker 3: do it, but they would. You know, they didn't they
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  Speaker 3: don't live there. They went in, did their their business
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  Speaker 3: and then got out because it was to them, it
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  Speaker 3: was Shabalba, it was the underworld. And but man to
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  Speaker 3: see the pottery. We'd get into these rooms that were
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  Speaker 3: maybe one hundred and fifty two hundred feet tall, open
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  Speaker 3: with pottery. You know, you shine your flashlight and you'd
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  Speaker 3: see all this pottery and sparkling kelcite ceilings, and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it was nuts. If you haven't done any came in.
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  Speaker 3: These caves are now open to the public, meaning they'll
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  Speaker 3: give tours on them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But I was the first guy and what four of them?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's and I don't like cave so much. I
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  Speaker 2: did it one time in Indiana.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it.
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  Speaker 2: Had the largest mountain inside of the gate. That's where
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  Speaker 2: a ceiling foam creates that umble. And I was in
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  Speaker 2: there with my ex wife and I was like, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: Get that, it's it's nuts. Well, you know, the biggest
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  Speaker 3: thing was too and then you'd come to areas we
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  Speaker 3: had to go underwall and just completely swim to find
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  Speaker 3: the opening on the other side. It's just it was nuts.
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  Speaker 3: I was just like, what am I doing here? But
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  Speaker 3: then uh, we'd have to hike back at night or
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  Speaker 3: sometimes they'd say, Okay, we got to stay overnight because
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  Speaker 3: it's too far to get out. You know. I'll be like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, two in the morning when we get out
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  Speaker 3: to the opening, and then it's going to be another
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  Speaker 3: five mile hike to the truck and there. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: and then you look and you see assassin bugs on
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  Speaker 3: the wall. Yeah, these pretty big bugs at Sucker Blood.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's other names for them. But I'll be like,
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  Speaker 3: now we're out of here, we're leaving.
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  Speaker 2: I was told by one my first like Mexican frenier
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  Speaker 2: that I met at the guitar shop. We were talking
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  Speaker 2: about and he was like, oh, you gotta be careful
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  Speaker 2: with these specific bugs. And he told me the name
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  Speaker 2: in Spanish. Yeah, I go sleep and they.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, Like no, I'm not sleeping in
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  Speaker 3: this key. We're gonna walk out. I don't care if
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  Speaker 3: we get out of here at three in the morning,
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  Speaker 3: and then I have to walk out of the jungle
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  Speaker 3: till dawn we're leaving. That was the only time I'd
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  Speaker 3: put my foot down because these two guys that I
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  Speaker 3: was worth were nuts, like they were nuts.
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  Speaker 2: The craziest thing I did is I was working on
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  Speaker 2: a cattle ranch, putting in solar systems out of here,
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  Speaker 2: and uh so you have to go out in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of nowhere, And so we had to stay there
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  Speaker 2: over night a couple of times. And one night, so
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  Speaker 2: we're sleeping in his hammets they on the trees, and
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  Speaker 2: there's a parrot right next to me. It's just a
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  Speaker 2: big one with the yellowhead and everything, the mettle bottom.
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  Speaker 2: I used to have parrots a long time ago in Germany.
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  Speaker 2: But in the middle of the night, I thought my
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  Speaker 2: one of my coworkers was snoring and sleeping in the truck.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't Doug. It was those howler monkeys.
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  Speaker 3: Oh jeez, yeah, they're allowed.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm a metal guy. I'm a metal head. This
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  Speaker 2: is what I do. And I was like, man, these
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  Speaker 2: guys would be a great.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you a question. Do you guys
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  Speaker 3: have a woodticks in your jungles in on the peninsula
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  Speaker 3: there so you don't think of them? No, you don't
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  Speaker 3: think of it, okay. So we'd get out of the
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  Speaker 3: jungle and we would be covered in these little, clear,
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  Speaker 3: very small wood ticks, and me and Tom my executive producer,
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  Speaker 3: would spend the evening picking them out of our islands.
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  Speaker 3: They would attach in our islands, you know, all over us,
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  Speaker 3: and then towards the end of the trip, Tom would
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  Speaker 3: be like so tired. He's like, now, I'll just deal
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  Speaker 3: with it in the morning. And by then they wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: bet in really deep right, and we'd rip out his
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  Speaker 3: ripped his flesh off, and then we were getting we
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  Speaker 3: were getting butterflies, and I had two botflies in my back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I came home anyhow, I came home. I had racketsia.
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  Speaker 3: Ricketsia is uh the American name would be like Rocky
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  Speaker 3: Mountain spotted fever.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: So I had that and I had that. They couldn't
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  Speaker 3: get rid of it. I had it for about ten years,
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  Speaker 3: and it would kind of come and go. They would
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  Speaker 3: give me ivy treatments with antibiotics stoxie, and then it
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  Speaker 3: would it would go away for a while, then it
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  Speaker 3: would just kind of rear its ugly ahead again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can give you rocky mounted spotting fever.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, down down and ye?
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  Speaker 2: How do you say that word? You don't want I've
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  Speaker 2: seen these before. I've had ticks on me here. Well,
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  Speaker 2: we'll see what happens to me.
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  Speaker 3: Take all your clothes off, Tom and go go run
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  Speaker 3: through the jungle. You be, I'll be covered in them. Well.
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  Speaker 2: I bought ten ten acres out here, and I put
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  Speaker 2: solar panels on it, and I built a well. Because
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  Speaker 2: the whole COVID thing, I didn't want to lock me
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  Speaker 2: in my house, which is why I left Germany the
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  Speaker 2: bigods and moved to Mexico to the just me and
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  Speaker 2: my xboxes Mexican land. It looked for property. Took us
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  Speaker 2: a year and a half to get it all figured
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  Speaker 2: out and paid for it, and we just moved out there.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm back in the city now because we broke up.
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  Speaker 2: But the property out there, and I had some crazy
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  Speaker 2: stuff happened to me out there too, So.
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  Speaker 3: What was what was what was the property like it is?
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  Speaker 2: I would say half of it is half of is
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  Speaker 2: forced it. But it's it grows so faster. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: you know that if you cut, like if you have
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  Speaker 2: a you know, like a lawn where you cut the grass,
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  Speaker 2: you have to cut it two to three times a week.
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  Speaker 2: If not, it gets too hot. So it's mostly what it.
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  Speaker 2: I may or may not. I can either confirm or
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  Speaker 2: deny that I have some Mayan ruins on that property.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy, man, And maybe some possible they like
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  Speaker 2: to bury there. They're dead in like these little mounded hills,
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  Speaker 2: like little ones. On that birthday, maybe ten feet by
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  Speaker 2: ten feet, I got two or three. You know.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's lying ruins, so many they have not discovered.
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  Speaker 3: It's ever. Yeah, and as light art gets more and
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  Speaker 3: more advanced, they're discovering more and more. But probably the
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  Speaker 3: coolest thing that happened to me, and I don't remember
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  Speaker 3: why they left me there, but there was one day
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  Speaker 3: I got left it some mine ruins that were completely
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  Speaker 3: off the grid off, you know, in the middle of
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  Speaker 3: the jungle, but they were quite extensive, and I got
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  Speaker 3: left there and they had to come back to get me.
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  Speaker 3: I was there like ten hours by myself from early
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  Speaker 3: morning to night, and it was a little creepy to
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  Speaker 3: just be in these ruins and exploring and we'd be
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  Speaker 3: on one side, especially when they're cleared.
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  Speaker 2: But I imagine if it's unexplored spot, as you know,
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  Speaker 2: like the top of a pairman, it would be a
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  Speaker 2: big tree growing out of it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well these people they were, they were excavating it,
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  Speaker 3: but there was nobody there. But oh, it's just it's
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  Speaker 3: so amazing when you think about the history and.
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  Speaker 2: It's just there. You could literally just walk off the
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  Speaker 2: path here and you will stumble across something where you go,
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  Speaker 2: this is man made. It has to be. Why would
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  Speaker 2: they put two blocks on top of one another and
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of squared off. Let me see it's a
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  Speaker 2: little you know, eroded or something. But you're like, this
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  Speaker 2: isn't this isn't natural. And you know, I think that's
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  Speaker 2: when you know, the Conquisa doors came and got this
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  Speaker 2: and all that. So that wasn't that long ago. This
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  Speaker 2: is only five hundred AD. I think it's when the
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  Speaker 2: end of maybe when it's five hundred years ago. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: that's what I'm doing. Yeah, the end of the mayamapire.
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  Speaker 2: So they're still I mean, my girlfriend is Mayan wow. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and her mother is Mayaan and they she knows a
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  Speaker 2: few words, her mother understands quite a bit, and her
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  Speaker 2: grandmother spoke. And still forty percent of the people here
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  Speaker 2: so speak it. But this place is shrouded in mystery.
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  Speaker 2: They have have you heard of a place called Pomuch
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  Speaker 2: where they bring their dead outdoor DSPs with us and
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  Speaker 2: they take the bones and they go into the cab.
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  Speaker 2: It's excuse me, I feel like mausoleums because we know
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  Speaker 2: here it's all rock. It's that line outcrop, that limestone
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  Speaker 2: outcropping in the Yucatan. And they'll go in. Uh so
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  Speaker 2: right on Halloween time they'll bring them out, clean off
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  Speaker 2: their bones. And the more material is there, and we'll
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  Speaker 2: say it that way, the happier they are, because the
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  Speaker 2: family wants to stick around to put the candles up,
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  Speaker 2: the food, and the Somalis people walk around and see
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  Speaker 2: the pictures and all that. It's this place is very
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  Speaker 2: very spooky.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's it's obviously the mines were extremely advanced.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, especially when it comes to their calendar, which
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  Speaker 2: tricked me out about it was that their number system
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  Speaker 2: is based on twenty and I didn't know that until recently.
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  Speaker 2: And I found that to be interesting because the French
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  Speaker 2: system is based on county, and so is some of
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  Speaker 2: the some of the Celtic languages, like you know, like
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  Speaker 2: in uh Whales and even Ireland, like they're they're they're big.
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  Speaker 2: This is in twenty, where like dramatic languages are based
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  Speaker 2: in twelve. That's why you have to dozen and all that.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, why would they be Maybe it's
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  Speaker 2: a coincidence, but it's twenty there. I mean, here's twenty here.
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  Speaker 3: I doubt it. I don't believe in coincidences. Too many
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  Speaker 3: people right off amazing things thinking it's a coincidence. There's
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  Speaker 3: so much science written off because they think it's a coincidence.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it just possibly can't be, and so it's
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  Speaker 3: just written off.
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  Speaker 2: Black blow it off, Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I have things happened to me all the time that
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  Speaker 3: I don't blow off anymore. I did when I was
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  Speaker 3: really young. You know, coincidences happened that just seems so
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  Speaker 3: far fetched, I mean, beyond any odds. And you're like,
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  Speaker 3: and then something happened a month later, same thing, and
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  Speaker 3: you're like, there's no way, you know, we're either living
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  Speaker 3: in some kind of weird matrix or or there's somebody
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  Speaker 3: or something or some entities setting up all these these
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  Speaker 3: things for you.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's get into that. What about this fascination with
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  Speaker 2: you know, monsteries and the paranormal?
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  Speaker 3: Probably, Well, first off, my parents were very just really
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  Speaker 3: cool and open minded, and we would we had this
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  Speaker 3: family tradition where I had a lot of brothers where
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: we were all on Sunday evenings, everybody would sit at
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  Speaker 3: the table and we would just talk about science and
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  Speaker 3: mysteries and just whatever was cool. I mean we could
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  Speaker 3: one night we could be talking about wine forgeries, you know,
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  Speaker 3: just obscure things, but it would But when I was lead,
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: then the conversation would just get really interesting. And so
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  Speaker 3: when I was young, I didn't participate much. I just listened.
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  Speaker 3: But as I got older, I started participating, and so
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I grew up in that kind of environment. And then
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: probably I had a very weird incident. Tom I was
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: in my bedroom and I was building a plastic model
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: I remember, the little car model.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we all built them, right, And I was.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I was I actually remember the car model.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: I was working on a thirty three Willis model, and
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to put it together. I gotta go to
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: the bathroom. I got to pee. And we only had
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: one bathroom growing up in our home, and so living
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: with you know, all these brothers and a sister and
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: my mom and dad, I mean, it was quite a
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: thing sometimes to you be able to get in there.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: So I go in there. Of course it's busy, so
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: the door's locked. I knock on the door and I
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: hear a man where I thought it was my dad.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: I assumed it was him, so I'll be out in
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: a second. I hear this thing turn on. I hear
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: the lock click, you know, and these old doorknobs. It
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: clicked out, and the door opened up, and there was
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: no in there.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: With the push button on it, Yeah a little push buttons, right,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: so when you turn the knob, it actually pops out.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: That pops out. I hear all this, I hear.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: All the inside the Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: I'm hearing all this. Clear's day, just like my dad.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Just was my dad in the bathroom and the door
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: opens and there's nobody in there. Okay, first, it's my
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: first life changing experience, and of course I get the chills,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: and I just I run, and I remembered they were
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: all downstairs, the whole family except me, because they were
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: they were mapping out. It was a new house and
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: they were mapping out where to put walls and stuff
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: in the basement. My dad was down there with the
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: yardstick and tape measure, and the whole families they're planning
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: this wreck room here and with a bath, you know
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: what I mean, the whole and I'm the only one upstairs.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: So I fall down the stairs trying to get down
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: the stairs. I would, I would, Yeah, They're just paint,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I would, and they're just slippery as hell, and I
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: fell right down. I'm on my socks. So I fall
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: down the stairs. I'm fine, but I'm trying to tell them,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, you don't believe me. That's exactly what
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: I thought. And so I'm like, okay, whatever, and you
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: just kind of forget about it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Well then.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Years later, I know, maybe two three years later, I'm
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: with my sister. My mom and dad were gone, everybody
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: was gone, my brothers had moved out. I mean, it's
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: just me and my two little brothers and my sister
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: and we're babysitting, and I thought, hey would be really
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: funded surprised mom and dad and clean the whole house
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: form like, really do a nice job. So we did that,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: and we're sitting down relaxing at the table, just me
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: and my sister and my brothers are in bed, and
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: we smell sulfur, like you know that the typical like
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: sulfur that yeah, like from a match, is like really strong,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: and my just like, yeah, what is that? And then
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: it we'll go away and then we'll come back. We'll
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: go away and come back. And we were I said, well,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: we've better look around the house. Something could be burning,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: you know. So we're start searching the whole house and
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: we decide now we can't find anything, so we go downstairs.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: In a big sparking orb flies across in front of
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: us and hits the wall where our pool table was
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: and exploded in a bunch of sparks and fell to
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: the ground. And then here comes another one. So it
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: isn't enough you see it once, you know, you just
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: kind of always want to see it again. They did,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: I really, here comes another one came out of this
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: back room and just hit the wall and exploded in
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: a bunch of pieces, an orb with sparks coming off it. Okay,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: and of course what are you gonna do with that?
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I'm sure our parents didn't believe me, my sister, you know,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: because as I remember remember, they they were more impressed
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: that the house got really clean. I didn't really care
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: about these floating orbs that hit the wall. Of sparks
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: coming off.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: That would be a really nice surprise. So you can
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: understand your disposition.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: So we so we you know, whatever, It's all you
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: can do is kind of blow it off. You put
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: it in your grave file. Even as a kid, you
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: just go that was weird. But probably maybe it didn't happen.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: We just imagined it. And then so nothing ever happens
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: then until one day I grew I grew up finally,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: and I moved out very early. I ended up. I
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: invented a sponge polymer when I was really young, like
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: fourteen fifteen years old. Yeah, it's a long that's a
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: whole long story. Say that for another day. But I
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: had this idea and then I went to work on it.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: And what polymer is, So I'll take that.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: A well, you know your weather strip on your doors
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: that you use your car doors. You have weather strip
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: around your car doors.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: The rubber, yeah, the rubber, the weather strip.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: It's sponge. It's made of closed cell sponge. Well, it's
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: connected by these molded configurations that are quite complicated with
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: the two extrusions. Going to make a long story short,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: I was the inventor of EPDM sponge. Yeah that everybody.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: It's used everywhere now of course, full blown on every car.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: So I was the guy that figured out how to
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: mold it control it because I wanted to smooth skin
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: on it. It's got a very nice skin on it.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: And before that there was latex the GM had, and
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: then there was a very ugly, ugly porous spr that
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: was actually made down in Mexico. This is back when
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: the seventies. Now, okay, the long story short. I moved out.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: I bought a house at like seventeen, bought a boat,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: bought a cart. I had a lot of money back
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: then for a kid. Right. The neighbors all thought I
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: was probably dealing drugs and I had nothing to do
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: with that. I just had to do with this polymer
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: that I invented. My family, my grandfather was in the business,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: and he kept telling me it couldn't be done. So
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: I was really motivated to make sure it got done then.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: But so I picked up my little brother Rob and
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: took him to the fireworks Fourth of July back in
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: the seventies. He's just a little kid, and take him
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: to the fireworks and I drive him home, drop him
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: off back at home about midnight, and I start driving
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: back home and I see out in the road in
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: front of me what I thought was a giant chandelier
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: over the intersection, like a sparkling crystal chandelier. I can
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: only explain that, and I'm like, oh, that's cool. I
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: put a chandelier over the road, you know, because back
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: in those days, I mean, we were technology was just
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: kind of getting going, and they go, oh, maybe that's
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: the that's how they're going to light intersections. I mean,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: you just you know, you see something new you've never seen.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: You just try to justify.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: As I get closer and I see all this, it's
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: really bright and it's kind of spark it's still, yeah, sparkling.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what is this? So I keep going closer
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: and closer to it, and I'm thinking, so, there's got
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: to be some kind of hoax or what am I
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: looking at? Because I didn't see any poles or any
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: you know, there was nothing attaching it. But it was
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: very sparkly. So as I got closer, I'm looking laughed
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: and right, and I'm looking forward and I'm driving cautiously
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: now towards US. I don't know what this. I wasn't
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: even thinking UFO at the time. I just kept thinking hoax.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: It's fourth It's fourth of July, so it is sew.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Your mind goes it's some kind of fireworks, or it's
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: something somebody has put aloft or who knows. But I
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: get under it and I literally look at it, and
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh man, that's not a joke. You know.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: I could see it was heavy looking, you know, and
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: it had a big glass, I mean very thick. Could
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: even see the thickness of it glass dome and inside
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: would look like thousands of fiber optic lights, which that
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: wasn't even a thing back then, like I had never
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: even heard of. And it had kind of an orangeish
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: glow to it. So I get out of my car
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: and I'm looking at this thing, studying it, like what
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: am I looking at? And I'm only six feet from it.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: So I'm not far. This is almost rendals some forests close, right,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: I'm that close. I could have, you know, easily just
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: you know, tossed the rock at it, or even maybe
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: leaped that that high to touch it. And so I'm
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: just looking at it. And then the fear hit me, like,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm alone. I'm under a UFO and
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: there's nobody around. That's not a good situation. So I
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: got my car and I took off and I and
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: I got maybe about a quarter mile away. Then I
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: stopped and get out of my car again and watched
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: it go over the the intersection over to the there
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: was a pet hospital. That went over the roof of
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: the pet hospital. And I get home, and that was
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: so kind of was a paradigm changing. So by this point,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: with all these experiences, I'm kind of I'm pretty open, right,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: that makes sense.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what did you begin to doody You started reading material?
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I started getting a little bit interested in the top.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: It definitely did not look manned. It looked unmanned, which
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: is really interesting because that's kind of what people are
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: dealing with now. But this is back in the seventies,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: So it looked like a drone thing, but didn't make
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: any noise. It was hovering silently. It was almost too
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: bright to look at. I remember shielding my eyes every
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: time I tried to see what I'm looking at. It
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: had a very high dome on a glass dome, higher
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: than it was wide, which is weird too. I'm still
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: waiting to find somebody that has seen exactly what I saw.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Almost look like you know, an anniversary clock.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah okay, but yeah.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Higher than it is wide. It wasn't that high, but
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: it was, but it was weird. And people are like, well,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: you saw a Chinese lantern.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Oh no, Now.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: This thing I would estimate weight a ton. I mean,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: you can tell you know what I mean I've ever.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Seen in the sky is a I bought a telescope
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: and I went out to the darkest region that I
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: could find, which was on this old military practice range
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: in Germany, and so it was me and my ex
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: wife and my daughter. I bought this eight inch reflective
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: telescope to like, hey, I want to see what I
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: could see in that night. I've seen Jupiter Saturn of
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Mars right, very cool. But as I'm setting up, it's
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: getting dark right over top of the tree. Every top
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: of the tree line was maybe two three hundred yards away.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: There was this orange globe and so I just had
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: someone send me a video and looked just like what
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I saw that his was for hers was white, and
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I've seen an orange and as I see, as I
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: try to point it out to Max Buck, I said,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: look just disappeared. Yeah, so I've seen some things too.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen any anything quite like that. I've had some.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Well through the years. I've got two more pretty close
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: encounter stories that happened with me in event.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Ah.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: If you want to hear more.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Of this kind of stuff, sure, anywhere you want to.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: With a podcast name called The Jupiter. It's definitely probably
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: what your audience likes.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, for some reason, they really enjoy uh my sasquatch
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: stuff speak to a lot of Native a lot of
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Native Americans, a lot of them actually old like medicine women.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Very interesting.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: They seem to enjoy the show, and quite a few
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: come on. It's been quite interesting that sometimes it just
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: goes in a certain way and just the eye Duber,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: the big red eye reflecting back upon us kind of concept,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: and it just it just goes where it goes. It's
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: just as strange and unusual and it is interesting. And
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: then I run into people like yourself, you know. Strang
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: told me to connect connect with Okay, yeah, he's like,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I had no check that. I was like the monster
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: was God. He goes, he's a good contact them. Really
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: you he'll come on look okay, Okay, so I did.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah I can. I can tell you something happened to
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Randy's too here. Okay, so this happened both being a vent.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: We love being outside looking at the stars at night.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I've got a wife.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a fire pit here and a little
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: beach we have that we own, and we live in
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: a lake, and so it's it's peaceful out there at night.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: We have loons and you know. So anyhow we like
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: to go out there. So we're out there one night
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: and we would see quite a few orbs. No I'm
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: not talking about I'm talking about things you see with
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: your naked eye, quite low one hundred and fifty two
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: hundred feet up in the air. Usually they would travel
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: from you know, east, west or wherever, but they all
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: would end up over our head. And so one night
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: we're out there, now here comes one over the neighbor's
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: roof right across the lake. It comes over, and all
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, my dock and everybody's docks started bouncing
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: up and down. They're aluminumy, you have to have an aluminum dock.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: So all the docks are going boom boom boom. That's
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: quite a roight dos No, no, no, no, they're they're
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: just on like a mushroom foot. They're not connected to
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: the bottom. They can they can be lifted with strength,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: you know. Usually we on bolt them and take them
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: out in sections. Yeah, and some people do have them
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: on wheels, but generally they're just sitting in the mud, yeah,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: in the sand. And so we're hearing all the docks
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: going boom boom boom, and then we hear metal bending
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: like we can hear our dock crunching, and the neighbors,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: all these docks are crunching as this orbit is approaching us.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: And then the swing sets start going in all the
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: neighbors yards. Is right out of a you know, close encounters.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: The swing set starts going, dogs start barking, car alarms
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: start going off. Oh my god, this is like right
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: out of et and it is aluminium. Docs are non magnetic,
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: which is what's really interesting. So they're banging, bang and banging,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: and car alarms are going off, dogs are barking, swing
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: sets are going like wildly. It's no end. And then
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: the ORB stops above us. Everything's still going crazy, and
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: then it leaves, just SIPs away and everything goes silent.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: As it was. That was mind bending, Like that whole
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: incident was crazy and so so once again, how do
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: you go on with your life after that? Right?
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: It's hard, it's really hard.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Just so you know, this is therapy for me, Tom.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: It is so okay. So then you know years later,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, stuff doesn't happen every week, it's years later.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Beautiful sunny day in the spring, probably the end of
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: May Eve, it's like, oh, let's go lay in the sun,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: soak up some sun rays after the long winter. Yeah, good,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: idea great, And I go upstairs, get my sum sit down.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: She's already out there laying there. And I go out
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: and I lay. I put my towel on the lawn chair.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: We have a deck that's up probably twenty feet in
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: the air. And I lay down and I put my
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: phone down a little end table. It was like minutes
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: of rest and she starts screaming, and I'm like, I'm
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: looking at her, what's you know, what's going on the
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: b maybe maybe a bee stunger.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: A doctor, you know.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: And I look at her and she's like, you know,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: she's doing that, and she's like look, and I like
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: turn around and I look, and there's a UFO five
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: feet from my head, broad daylight sitting there and it's
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: changing shape. So it's not just stationary, it's moving. It's
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: just like turning from a triangle to a diamond to
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: an oval to a spear to a it's crazy. And
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: it's got like a a van to black blacker than
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: black look, and it's got like a skin on it,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: like textured, a very symmetrical little kind of a texture.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's diamonds or squares, but it's
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: got this very geometric texture on it. And so I'm like, okay,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: this is good. So I'm reached from my phone, real sneaky,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: like it's right there, and I'm a cinematographer, and so
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: I grab my phone. I put it kind of in
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: my lap and I'm just corner eyeing this thing. It's
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: still there, and I'm like, you know, you got to
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: scroll through your phone and then the sun you can't
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: see very well the screen.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: It just.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Well there it is a video, Okay, put on video
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: photo and then just whip that thing. Sorry, I will swore,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: whip that thing at this thing and get video of it.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: And meantime, Evet's like jerking back, and it's jerking back
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: like it's reacting to her head movements, and so I'm like,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: you know, as quick as I can smooth, but quick
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: while it's filming, and the thing is gone up to
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: the clouds just so I'm like, no, I'm blindly trying
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: to film it because I can't even see it, but
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: I know where it went. I followed it where it went,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: and I'm just holding it there filming because it's a
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: wide angle lens on a phone, especially an iPhone. So
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: I'm filming and hoping I'm getting something. So eventually we
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: go back, we go in, We go in our garage
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: at darkest spot, you know, to see the footage, and great,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I got it, but I send it to my buddy.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: He enhances it. Then I do have that so then,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: but I wish it would have been up close right
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: because it's five feet away as the events describes a
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: very candle away from you. And so we get back
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: outside to continue our sunbathing because we're kind of curious,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: like what's going on? And here comes another one right
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: out of the lake, right in front of us, comes
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: right out of the lake, and this time it's pill shaped,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: kind of like.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Tic tac shaped.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, comes right out of our lake and heads right
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: to the clouds. Not even that fast, just fast enough.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: You know, it's doing maybe fifty to eighty miles an hour.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: And I got footage of that one too, which was great.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: So all right, so we're not crazy, you know, we
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: both see this really, so that one, that one's definitely
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: PTSD kind of territory. That ended her nighttime wanting to
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: go out on the deck anymore at night because she's like, well,
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: what if that was that night, you'd never see it.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: It was blacker than black. So that that experience. So
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: then one afternoon we're off fishing. It's probably a year later.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Next year, we're all fishing. We're having a great day fishing,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: catching a lot at large month pass and I just
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: cut and lost a really big one that had fought
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: for like twenty minutes. And so we get back it's
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: like four point thirty. We come back to the dock
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: and I'm lining out my boat to the dock to
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: park it and tie it up, and she starts screaming again.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: And I thought that's scream by now. And I'm like, what,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at her. She says, look in the yard,
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: look at the rough, Look at the trees. I'm like,
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: holy crap, there's like I don't know, I didn't count them,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: but maybe definitely way over two hundred UFOs.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: In our yard.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: And they are not yeah, like maybe soccer ball. I suppose.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: I figured there's soccer ball to a little smaller than
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: soccer ball. And they're white, they're sparkling, they're beautiful, and
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: then they turn black and then they turn white and
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: then they disappear, then they reappear, then they turn black,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: you know, and it's really weird. And they're acting like
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: they're a biological they're all very graceful. And then we
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: have in some cases I'm observing one orb trying to
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: track one, and like five will come out of it.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: And this is I'm twenty thirty feet away because they're
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: all over our roof, they're on our trees, they're right
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: on the lawn. They're everywhere, and I'm like, oh, I
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: should probably film this, right, So I get my phone
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: the same kind of problem. You're panicking, you can't really
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: see the screen, And so I do and I start filming.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, they're just let me film.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: I'm getting zoo I'm zooming in on my Paul, I'm
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: getting uh, you know, uh size compared. I'm doing everything. Okay,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: this is amazing. There's swarming around our roof and our
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: trees and our yard, and I'm like, this is the
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: most amazing I've you know, if we go in this,
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like this. This will be amazing.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: And I'm a good camera guy, right, I've got forty
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: years of experience, so I kind of know what to do.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: This isn't gonna be a bunch of shake fast footage,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: so all right. So I'm like, I'm like, aren't you
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: filming this to event? And she's like oh. So then
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: she gets her camera. I'm like, this is historic, this
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: is nuts, and so she starts. But by then they're
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: all moving off and they're over the neighbors rough and
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: they're just kind of moving off in a big group
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, okay, great. So then they finally they leave.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: She films and I film and they're gone. I'm like,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: that was the weirdest I parked the boat, tie it up.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what you know, we're just freaked out. Well,
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: just hang on.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: The story is an I'm m.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: I wish it was over right there.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I really wish.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: So we So we go. We parked the boat, we
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: go and there we go in the uh go in
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: because I have like an office in my garage. It's
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: kind of where all my tools, my workshop. I invent
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: a lot of things.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: And I was I just, yeah, you don't understand if
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: you're yeah, yeah.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: So we go in there, sit the desk and turn
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: on my phone. It won't turn on. I'm like, oh,
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: must be pattery did, but I'd swear it was full
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: if I plug in. We wait, We wait, and nothing happens.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I said, let me see your phone. Look at her.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: There's working fine, But she didn't start filming until you
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: didn't get the kind of footage I was kidding. So
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: we just wait. Doesn't Carnice to get in the car.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: We're going up to Sprint, So we hop in the car.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: We run up to sprint, and I tell these two
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: young men, you know that the text there, but I said,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: you guys got to get this off. I told them
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: a whole story. And they're like, oh, yeah, we can
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: get it off. Oh yeah, it'll be great. So they
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: own in the back room. They're gone for quite a while.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: I mean maybe almost an hour forty five minutes. They're
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: back there and we're just pacing. You know, this is
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: a weekday, and we're pacing. And they come out and
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: they go, dude, your phone's a brick. I go, what
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: do you mean it's a brick? He goes, They won't
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: even conduct electricity. It's like made out of clay. Does
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: that makes sense?
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, yeah, I'm trying to. I'm thinking of like,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: you know, like the just the you know, just the
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: chips and all the wiring and I was soldering and
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: all the things in there. It's non conductive.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Now it's all completely non conductive. Okay, that's great, wonderful.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Where can I go? So go over to this guy
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: he does a lot of repairs on phones and maybe
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: he can get you know, access to it. So we
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: go run over there. It's not too far away, some
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: guy's house. We dropped the phone off and he had
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: it forever and he couldn't do anything with it. So
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: but here's where it gets bad. That night, we come back,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: we're very freaked out. We're kind of upset. I'm really
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: upset because I have no phone now. So I go
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: back to I go back to Sprint, going I got
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: to buy another phone, and that one was like two
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: weeks old, and they're not cheap. No, I think I
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: paid like, you know, five hundred bucks again. So I
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: bought a new phone because my other one's a brick.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: And of course they don't they don't. Those guys wouldn't
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: cover it, you know, under any kind of warranty. They're like, dude,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: you told us what you did and what happened. You know.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: I'm like, we can't cover that. And I'm like, okay,
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: just give me another one. So we get a phone.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: We come home finally, and we're watching TV. We're sitting
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: at my desk in the garage watching TV, talking about
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: the day's events, and all of a sudden, there's a
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: flashing yellow light on my wall above through the windows
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: on the wall, and I said to event, why is
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: there a tow truck in our driveway, Oh okay, and
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: she goes, yeah, why is there a tow truck in
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: the driveway? She goes open the door, open the grudge
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: hert So I just hit the grudge or button, open
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: it up to see why is there a tow truck?
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: And there's nothing there. So we're like we close the door, like, well,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: that's weird. Get the door closed. Seconds later, hurt two
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Siamese cats start screaming, like from the top of their
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: lungs and like they're killing each other, and yeah, like
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: it's bad. And we run down there to check on them,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: and they're just looking at us, like, you know, they're
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: staring at us. They're not killing each other. What were
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: they screaming for? And so we stayed with them for
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: a little while to get them, you know, make sure
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: they're okay and everything's fine. And then we went back
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: out in the garage talking like what is going on?
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: So there's two more things, the cats and the yellow
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: lights on our wall. And I have like an old
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: opaque film, so let's light in, but you can't really
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: see in or out. Okay. Then the whistling starts. We
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: hear this whistling sound and we hear like h Do
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: you remember the old road Runner cartoons when the coyote
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: would throw a acme bomb down the Yeah yeah, yeah yeah,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: the whistle and we hear that and then a go
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: boom on our roof that is weird, just huge, Like
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: it's not a little gaboom, it's huge. It's god boom.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: And the house shakes, and by this point we're both
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: ready for heart attacks. And she goes go outside and
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: see what what hit the house. I looked at her
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: and I said, are you crazy? I Am not going
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: out there? Are you nuts? And also we are running
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: on a roof. We can hear bipeople running on the
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: roof from one end to the other right above us
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: the garage. And at this point she's like, yeah, let's
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: go in the house and lock the doors. I'm like, yeah,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: I'm with you.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Do you ever have the inclination to move though?
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Well? I told the buddy of mine he's a stand
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: up comedian, buddy buddy of mine. He goes get the
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: for sale sign up tonight because he loves hearing these stories.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: But you know, I'm like, yeah, we don't, you know,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: let them talk to Evette. It's like, we don't want
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: these stories we just we just want peace and quiet.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: So okay, so then because this gets worse, this isn't
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: done yet. Okay, yeah, you jumped it twice outdown.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say I like basketball, you got.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Randy Bauer stories where weird? Okay, Yeah, we're getting there. Okay,
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: So then the TV stops working. Oh my garage like what?
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: And that one checked? Another one didn't work either. Nothing
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: is working. Uh, air conditioning goes out. All the low
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: voltage just started burning out like boom in the house.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: All of the you know, the HD of my ports
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: on the TVs, they burned out for some reason. And
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: nowadays without HD my port, your TV is pretty well toast.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: It's worthless. Can't even look at antanna to it. You
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: can't do anything with it. Can probably hook it. No,
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: you can't get up to nothing. It's worthless. So all
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: every DV in the house, and we had a lot
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: of them, all burned out. Okay, that's great. Next morning,
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go investigate now to see what landed on
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: our roof and didn't do any damage, because it's sound
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: like it did and all the garage door and my
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: eyes are focused on my ford flex, my production vehicle
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: that had been washed the day before was now covered
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: in what looked like vomit of of something like vomit
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: all over it, even in the grill, Like, how does
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: that happen? It was even parked maybe a foot away
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: from my garage door, and it's vomited into the grill,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: even deep into the grill, all over the hood, all
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: of the roof, it's all over the driveway and it
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: looks just like vomit. When I was under examination, I'm like, God,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: it looks like sawdust, like somebody ate sawdust and then
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: vomited it up. I know this is weird.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: No, No, I was just thinking of just just thinking
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: when when you when you're painting your picture.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be happy to run. I'd have to take
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: a moment, but I could dig a break, run into
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: the garage and send you these pictures.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: Including the video of the black UFO if you want.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So anyhow so between so then okay, it gets
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: the weirder. So then I'm like, you know, I'm the
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Monster West guy. So I get a clean baggy and
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: a Pops clean Pops little stick and I start scraping
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: the stuff into a bag. I want to know what
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: it is. I've never seen anything like it, and I'm
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: figured it's all connected with all the craziness of the
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: night before, right, because it looked like it came from above.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: But yet it was all so shot into my grill,
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: which is like impossible because it's I fut away from
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: my garage door. So I scraped a baggy full of
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: it and it comes right off like it's not even sticky.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: It just slides right off like it's teflon, Like my
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: car is teflon protected. So then I called Joe and
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: I say, Joe, can I need you to come over.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: I called Alan, a guy that owned a lab up
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: in Brainerd, And I call Alan and I go told
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: the whole story, and I said, I got this stuff,
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: and he's like, yeah, I'll I analyze it. That's what
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: he did. He's a just gas chromatograph stuff. So I
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: was gonna send him a baggie of it. Joe gets
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: over here, makes a trip over here to pick up
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: the baggie to mail it off to Alan, and I
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: had set the bag and I went and took my
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: car because if you would have seen it, it looked
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: like it was embarrassing. It looked like somebody had twenty drunk,
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: said MoMA on my veel. So it was just gross.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: I wanted it off whatever it was, and then what
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: it was. So Joke's over comes in and I meet
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: him back. I go to the car wash, come back,
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: and he goes, where's the baggy? And I go, it's
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: right there on my daughter's eating little ATV running board.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: I set it there. I didn't want it on my desk,
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: and my garage was spotless, like just like you could
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: eat off the floor and it's vinyl floor. And he goes, no,
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: it's not. I go, yeah, it's right there. I just
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: said it there. He goes, no, it's not. I never
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: found it, so I don't know what it was. The
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: only thing I can tell you is that it happened
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: to another guy in my town, the same stuff all
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: over his car, and he took photos of it posted
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: it online too, and it looks exactly like you know
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: what I had all over my car. So then I
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: had the new phone, I had to replace all the
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: low voltage stuff in my home thermostats. The whole thing
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: cost me about ten grand, so it was a ten
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars hallucination.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: That we had yeah, I got you. Yeah, And so
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: what do you have any thoughts on this?
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: None? No, No, I don't know what it was. I
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: you know, whatever they were, I don't know. I have
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: seen other footage of what we saw in Texas. Somebody
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: posted a video they the same damn things that they
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: were farther away, but you could see the sparkling. They
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: sparkle like diamonds, and they they move, you know, this
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: is the big group of them, but they're definitely I
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: would I would have to say, if I had to
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: take a guess and bet a buck, I would say
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: they were living creatures from space that probably live in
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: that three hundred mile area of you know, of our
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: exo atmosphere and probably came down to get some it
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: was a beautiful day, some sun, some water maybe. I
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: don't know, you mean like in the yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: In other words, I think I do believe. And and
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: actually NASA has filmed a lot of these type things
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: have ever seen. I think it's sds IS at sixty
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: five when they filmed hundreds of these things, like jellyfish
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: looking things, a lot of creatures on the NASA they
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: filmed things that look biological. These look biological but weird.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: So I'm just betting because from the from the ground
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: all the way through in the miles up is an
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: ecosystem that we know nothing about. So I believe there
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: could be things that are living kind.
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: Of on the edge and then they're probably about it
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: said that about Venus, that there could be something possibly
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: living in the upper atmosphere of Venus because of the
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: you know, the extreme heats and you know the overpass
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: conditions and that no, you know, radiated heat can escape.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: So if there anything, if there's anything living there would
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: be in the clouds.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: Well why couldn't Yeah, well why couldn't there be? I mean,
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: we have algaes that go three hundred miles up, different
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: kinds of algies. Pseudomona syringe is one of them. It's
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: everywhere in the atmosphere. I mean, it could be creatures.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: It's just that's what they do. They feed on algae.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: But we don't see them because they're maybe rare and
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: maybe they stand one, you know, these little groups. Yeah,
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: maybe they have to come down or maybe they come down.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: It was a really nice day that day. It was
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: like seventy three, just perfect hum everything was perfect, you know,
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: know when so maybe there's certain weather conditions they come
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: down and maybe less populated areas, maybe people see them
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: all the time, but nobody ever reports them. But here's
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: where it gets weird. So my daughter was at a
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: gym with her husband and she they both called us
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: and said, we know exactly what you saw because we're
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: watching a group of them right now swirling around the
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: gym in the parking lot. Like, okay, there you go.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: And did they It's like, did you get a picture? No? Wait,
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: what does that? Most people don't do. But she's like, yeah,
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: we saw them. I'm like, okay, that's I mean, what
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: else can I do? But there are I mean, there's
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: video all over now from a lot of people in
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Texas have seen these.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: You even think that the scientific community would in some way,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: wouldn't you think?
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Well, the biggest source of footage of these kinds of
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: things are NASA, sorry to say, they have more footage,
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: hundreds of hours of footage. There was a guy that
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: ran a cable station I'm not going to give names,
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: and everybody ran a public cable station. I think you
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: can probably search it up. Well. One day gets a
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: bright idea to aim one of the satellites intercept the
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Space Shuttle feet right, so he just does it. He
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: doesn't have permission, he just does it. He's now intercepting
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: all of the footage coming from the the Space Shuttle
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: and the Space station. So he's just he's captivating so
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: many creatures. He's putting him in categories. Oh my god,
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's categories. He's got like fifty categories of creatures.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: He's cataloging them.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: So they're seeing means yeah, yeah, And so NASA is
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: supposedly well, I mean before that was stuck me for
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: the first to rushing stuff, and then NASK after that.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: So yeah, like any case, anything you're hearing about is
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: complete bs like it's so bs. He it's not. So
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: I got a lot of that footage, and we did
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: a lot of enhancements. I did a lot of enhancements
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: I had. I was pitching a doc called Space Spiece
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: based on my experience and all of these images and
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: video images that we were doing, uh what do you
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: call it? Layering? I was doing layering. He was working
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: with a guy named jose As Camellia on these on
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: these images, and you remember the rods phenomena called rods Okay,
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: that's an example of uh yeah, some of them could
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: be misidentified bugs. They hit the shutter right, But man,
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: I talked to FBI guys that will tell me different.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: And I did doctor some FBI people that they've had
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: to investigate some even like near missile attacks that were
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: reported as missiles but they weren't. There were these rods
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: that were zooming in front of airplanes and stuff, and
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: you know that when a pilot sees them or another camera. Yeah,
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: I mean there's something. There's more to that stuf story
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: than just because I got misconstrued and monster cress because
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm just looking for the truth. So I
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: get high speed cameras and we were filming moss and stuff,
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: and yeah, we got some of that similar shape and
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: it wasn't the same.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I imagine doing what you do, people knowing,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: knowing who you are, that you get a lot of
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: you get a lot of people contacting me.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: I'm really into forensics. I'm always looking for the truth.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: But the point is, as this guy was working close
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: with Jose In the meantime, I'm trying to get together
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: and pitch a doc called Space Piece based on these
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: wild creatures that I believe live on the edge of space.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Not in space necessarily, maybe they do, but on the edge,
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: so on the edge of the atmosphere in the edge, yeah,
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: and the very edge which goes up three hundred miles
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: maybe beyond we don't water. Yeah, it's stuff living under
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: the water maybe because what was that thing, the black
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: thing that we saw come out of the water, What
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: was the thing? You know, where did that? Does that
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: thing live all the time under the water? Well?
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Documented that the air force is documented?
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course this stuff's all. Everything I'm hearing now
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: is like old news for me.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, way old news.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: Like I had a drone of some kind of unmanned
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: UFO encounter back in the seventies. So when I hear
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: you know, I told you about the thing of the
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: intersection that was on the seventies, So you know when
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: I hear the oh, yeah, there's these unmanned things living
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: here and doing this, and you know, we don't think
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: these tic TACs and we don't think there's people in
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: them or any kind of creatures in them.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: So they know all this stuff and are just withholding
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: it from us for what purpose?
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Well, I guess
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: maybe they don't know what they are. Maybe they they
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: know they're there, But I think they don't know what
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: they are, that's my guess. So how can they tell
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: us about him? I don't think they want to do
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: the loose m thing where they go by the way.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: We're surrounded by all sorts of strange creatures of strange craft,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: but we don't have a damn clue what they are.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: And you want to project power, you have to show
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: that you know what's going on. So to do that
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: means we have no control of any of this stuff.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: So why do that in panic the public? Maybe?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: Right, but I'm here to tell you we are surrounded
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: by a lot of weird stuff.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right, let's go and take us off
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: a stick there, Doug, and let's kind switch gears to
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Randy Bower. I'm going to have him on. This is
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: going to come up after And he told me about
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: the smells that you guys think.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a true story.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And he said, I had him out there go
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: and ask him about it.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: That was my idea.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: It's like, can you tell me about that place?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Well, I just you know, basically, it's a simple story.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: I was out there with another researcher and we're up
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: there and I'm just got just this kind of weird
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: idea just hit me. And I knew Randy could sing,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: and he really can sing good. He's a great musician.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: And you know, I mean, if Randy needs attention, I
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: don't tell people, he'll just go on stage to get it.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: He doesn't need, you know, he doesn't need to make
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: up crap to get attention. But so I just said, he, Randy,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: why don't you sing? You know, just see what happens
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: kind of reactions.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: So, you know, once again, I'm kind of inventive that
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: way about. I'd saybody ever tried that, No doubt it.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: So you sing because they obviously know him. If they're there,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: they're going to know who he is. So he starts singing,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: and then when he quit, when he finally, you know, quit,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: we got blasted with this terrible rotten flesh, stink like
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: cold smell like a bunch of rotten bodies dog. I mean,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: everything was horrible like and yet that smell isn't done
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: its property. We were heavily blasted with it. So then
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: I'm like, we walk I don't know how far we
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: walk ways away, Hey, Randy sing again. So he's so cooperative.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: He started singing, and he really does a good job
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: solo too, right, and so he's singing, he did he
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: stops boosh right away. Instantly we get blasted with the stink.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: He was saying that he didn't smell it. I think
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: that's what he was saying.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: Maybe I can't remember those tea, but boy, we sure did.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: Randy was kind of out front of us.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: He said, I wasn't smelling the Doug and the other gentleman.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there was actually another guy. There were three
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: of us that way.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he said it was. He's like, so is the
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: smell being projected in Doug's mind and the other gentleman?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: And every time I seen it, there it is again,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: And now you're telling me to colobberate and it just
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: the things he's he was telling me.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: It was weird because but I think we did it
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: like four times at different locations. It happened every time.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And at some point.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm sick of smelling this. It's because it
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: would go away and be like there would be great fresh.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: You know, it only lasts like maybe three minutes, but
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: you oh, it was horrible there Tom really.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: The whole Minnesota area. I've been talking to a lot
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: of people up there recently. I don't know, it just
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: kind of you know, as you do the show, you
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: start to get out there a little bit, people start
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: knowing you a little bit, and you know people you know, oh, yeah,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: he's you know, he's going to interview. Nice guy, I hope.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: Well, I've known Randy for a long time and although
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: he's he's one of the most honest people you'll ever meet.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: And that's why he'll tell some crazy stuff because he
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: doesn't hold anything back. His honesty doesn't allow him to.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: And I and I have two kinds of this is
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: I interview. Once in a while, you'll get somebody you
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: can tell they're just but that's not Randy. I know
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: Randy well, he is just like he's got a heart
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: of gold. He would never lie. He just does what
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: he does. He had these experiences. He'll be the first
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: admit he doesn't really know what he's dealing with, h
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: but he is dealing with something.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like this forty acres backs up state property
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: or a joint to another forty.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I talked. I talked to one of his neighbors,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: kind of distant, maybe like two three miles away. Talk
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: to him and he was kind of like, well, how'd
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: you get my number? And blah blah blah blah blah.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: And eventually we had a conversation where he told me
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: he was like, yeah, we're dealing with these things too.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: And he's like, uh, we're third generation dealing with these things.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: So he was like, my grandmother had to deal with
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: them and and and my mother had to deal with them,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: and now I'm dealing with them and blah blah.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, So, so doing doing the show, being in the
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: creator and all that, I'm sure looking for it to
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: try to, you know, trying to quantify it in some
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: type of scientific terms. I'm sure there's many times where
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: you just simply can't do that.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: I scratch my head often. But yet, you know that
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: doesn't really matter that much. I guess because I know
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: they're real. I know that they're very much here. When
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: they're here. If people say they go you know, on
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: a border, fine, whatever, I'm looking at this stuff. You
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: can't sneak into a room and not leave something behind, right,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: So that's where my mind's at. And I don't really
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: care how they got in the bedroom. I just want to,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: you know, pick up on the dust they leave behind.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Or in Random's case, that you're in in the on
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: the clothes or whatever was.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's all sorts of strange stuff, you know. And
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: Randy had something really valuable that he lost. I could
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: just but it just But who am I to talk
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: because I've had the same kind of weird things disappear.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: He had a he had a peanut butter jar. One
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: out of all of them because we get them back
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: and they're really clean, right, but one just one stunk
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: really bad. I drove up there to smell it, like it's,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: oh my God, like, no, not rancid, No, no, no, no,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: you cannot describe this as anywhere near rancid. It's like
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: the worst smell. It's I call it puture scene, which
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: is the one of the chemicals your body makes when
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: it decomposes. It's called puture scene, and it's very much
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: has that in it, and I wanted to analyze it
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: and actually look for that as one of the locals.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: And he had this plastic would have absorbed really good,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: and I wasn't in a position to take it back
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: because nothing would contain it other than keeping it frozen.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: So I'm not going to bring that thing back in
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: my car.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: Case.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, right, any lead case carry this thing.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was that bad. So I said, okay,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: just keep it, you know, wrapped in all those triple
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: bags in your freezer, and then I'll have you mail
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: it to the lab, directly to the lab.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Office.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: And then I guess, I said, you know, I'm just
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: checked on it. You have that and no, he looked,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: and I was like, gone, So who knows, you know,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: somebody threw it away or I know Randy didn't thrown
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: away no.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Gentleman either.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: So that's kind of the bottom line. But there was
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: another time. This is a really interesting story. So I
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: was on horseback. We were on a bigfoot thing, and
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: I had a camera with me, a really good camera,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: and I was with three other guys on horses. So
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: I'm on a horse. There's four of us, and we're
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: up and down the Saincred River Valley where there're you
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: know a lot of bigfoot reports where there had been
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: uh you know, even stories of like dogs being ripped into. Okay,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: all right, so we're in this area, we're on horseback.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: We ride through the area. I'll try to make this
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: as short as a kid. We ride through the area
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: and everything's cool. The trail is good. It's a little
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: single track horse trail. It's along the Sincred River. And
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: and then we go and then Mark has a he
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: has a rock thrown at him. Swears he had a
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: rock thrown at him. Okay, fine, So we come come
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: back after a while, we get you know, we're on
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: our return trip now, and all of a sudden, we
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: get hit with the stink. All of us same thing,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: like putre scene, like on steroids, Like, oh my god,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: we're all covering our faces. But yeah, we had rolled
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: through there, so it's not like there's a rotting corpse there.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: We would have smelled it on our way through there before,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: and we didn't. So we smelled this horrible smell. It's
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: this horrible, horrible and I'm bout head on the trail.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: We see what looks like a coyote laying across the trail,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: perfectly in the middle, blocking the trail, laying there, and
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: we're like, well, what the hell is this, and so
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: we get closer and closer, we see the coyote blink
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: in his eye, like what's going on? You know, once again,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: all these strange things started happening. We're smelling this horrible smell,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: we're gagging, and there's this coyote and then we start dismounting.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: The smell goes away completely. It's not coming from the coyote.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: The coyote is very much alive, but he's paralyzed. He
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: cannot move. I notice big handprints on his spine and
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: in his fur. Feel and I feel a break and
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: his spine right in the middle, like he's been snapped apart.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: But it doesn't kill him because he's immobile. But he's
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: still very much alive, doesn't any blood on him. He's
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: very much I mean, he just can't move. He's paralyzed,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: his legs are paralyzed. Is the only thing he can
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: do is blink his eyes. So we're like, what the hell,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: you know, with the smell and the coyote and the
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: dog thing that we're you know, investigating dogs getting ripped
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: in half. And I'm thinking, I've always had this theory
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: that bigfoots have a semiotic relationship with some kaio it's keywords,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: some not all of them. Some like they'll have their
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: pack that they do stuff with, Yes, but there could
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: be a competing pack that that bigfoots weren't happy to
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: kill for the other pack. Okay, the competing pack. So
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: and I've put all those kind of togethers a loose
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: High platforses.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: Is important because I've had experiences both in Upstate New
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: York and out east in the given uh the the
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: Pinshawe National Force, the Gifford Pinshawe National Force, and the
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Scuka Meadows of bigfoots reacting to my coyote calls that
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: you know, pre recorded coyote calls, I'll get chess beating
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: like it's very chess beating.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Like a silver like yeah yeah, yeah, oh no, no,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: like a silver back.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: Time's ten. It's insane. And I have had that happen
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: now to me three times Upstate New York play the
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: Coty calls chest beating, and that every time we did
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: it got closer, it was walking closer, and it would
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: do it now. But last time it did it was
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: like twenty feet away from us. One of the guys
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: that we were with started to cry. I mean he
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: was whippering to get the hell out of there. He
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: was very scared. To blame him. I was scared too,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: because we're in the dark and we're in like some
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: swamp buggy thing, you know. Okay, so I've had these
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: experiences with cooties and that's where I got the idea
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: that they're doing. Oh. Then I'm up north and I
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: hear they were wolves. I heard a pack of wolves
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: run through my camp. Which is cool to hear these
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: panting big wolves run through your camp, right through the
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: middle of it. And then I hear bipedal footprints boom
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: boom boom, boom boom right after it, like after the
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: coyotes leave. We both hear.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Me this guy.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: We were up hunting grouse up in the wilds of Canada,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: and so I'm like, well, okay, so I've just experienced it.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: I didn't see it, but I can clearly hear the
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: wolves running through. I had done a lot of wolf
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: research by that point in my life. I'd film probably
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: you know, a ton of wolves working on a dog
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: called brother Wolf and anyhow, so then the bigfoot ran through.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: It couldn't have been anything else. It shook the ground.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: My cot I was in was bouncing from the impacts
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: of the feet and so okay, So then we're seeing
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: this coyote now laying in the trail. These dots are connecting,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: and I'm figuring that coyote was right next to that
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: bigfoot just like his dog, and he grabbed that poor
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: thing and just poosh put it in the trail as
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: a warning. Does I know it sounds heartless, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a heart list. Just the the strange things
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  Speaker 2: that you that I've been privy to from people come
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: home and telling me, yeah you know, and it's you know,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, yeah, I did this. I got mad.
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  Speaker 2: It ripped up my tent, so I orinated on a
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  Speaker 2: tree and then it chased me home and things of
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: this nature. And it just never seems to amaze me
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: the things that you hear. Now, Yeah, the thing that
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: always the last question I want to ask you before
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: I get you rob a header and mister hatcheck is
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: doing all these things going into these caves the UFO
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: and counties this bick but Randy Bower's property. Is there
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: a level of fear or that did they get washed
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: out of you since your first experience at the house
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: with the button and the door.
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  Speaker 3: Oh you know, I've had so many experiences now, like
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: I'm going up to snow Grove cab up in Ontario,
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  Speaker 3: which we went to again last year and the year
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: before and had crazy activity both times. So yeah, of
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: course I get afraid. I'm afraid to take the garbage out.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: And I'm not joking you, No, I'm absolutely dead serious.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: People think I'm joking. No, I'm not. Scares a living
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: hell out of me. Heads on a swivel. I go
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: out at night anywhere alone on my head's out of swivel.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: I've seen too much crap.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Might be attracted to you somehow, yeah.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: I've I've heard that. But then again maybe, yeah, maybe
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: they're attracted to me. I don't know. Oh my god, yeah,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: I've just had I have a book. It's it's all written,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: and it's it needs to be updated a little bit,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: but it's written. It's pretty much four hundred pages of
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: strange coincidences and then events that have happened to me
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: that another gentleman who's he's an award winning writer wrote it.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: He interviewed me fairly found almost two years and recorded
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: every word I said. And then you know wrote this
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: book based on that, and it's not out yet, but
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: it's on a lot of coincidences, and it's even named
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: after one of the coincidences, which is so bizarre I
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: can't even fathom it. So when I first got into TV,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: I had been I was friends with Kurt Hennick from
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: the w w F Wrestling. Oh yes, mister perfect, you
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: know you know Jesse is right, Okay, he was my
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: partner on this TV show and we were just we
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: were just I was just kind of just starting to
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: get into the TV thing, and me and Kurt were
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: working on a show with like Nord the Barbarian what
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: was his other name, he had another name, but we
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: were doing a kind of a comedy fishing show called
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: Phishing Mayhem with these wrestlers, all these different wrestlers, And
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: so I ran an ad. I wanted to film a pilot.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: So I ran an ad in La and the guy
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: answered it and it was great, and he flew up.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: He's like, oh, fly, we'll shoot it. We'll take a week,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: week and a half, we'll shoot the pilot. Okay. Great.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: Because we didn't have any money, We're like, it's gotta
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: be somebody. And then we get there, if we'll pitch it,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: if we get it, you'd be the camera guy and
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: you'll make you can bill us for all this, you
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: know work you're doing. That's fine. So he comes up,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: he films it, and that's all cool. And he's teaching
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: me the whole kind of business, real interests, teaching me
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: on the camera. And I'm like a sponge and these
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: were well, very very complicated, big cameras, one hundred thousand
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: dollars cams, and so he's teaching me and yeah, And
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: I asked him one day we were at his house,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: cause he had all this editing gear, and I said,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: where'd you get all this editing gear? And he goes, oh,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: I had a hit record in the in the sixties.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, cool. I didn't even ask him on banned.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: I didn't, you know, I just I left it at that.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: So he teaches me all this stuff, and then I
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: ended up landing another TV show that I pitched and
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: got with CBS, and that show, by the way, is
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: still in the air.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: So I start this show, I get the talent and everything.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: My first interview I'm going to do is with a
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: guy who lives on Lake Superior, who invented a bunch
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: of sense from witch doctors in South America. Whatever. I
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: gotta go interview with this guy to get there. He
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: lives in a mansion on the lake on Lake Superior,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: which I know we're talking, you know, many many millions
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: of dollars. I was near the Glen Sheee mansion and
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: I'm interviewing him and I get done and we're just
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: talking and I go, well, how the hell did you
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: ever afford all this?
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: And he's like, oh, I had a hit song in
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: the sixties, thinking oh okay, and I didn't really think
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: much about it, and I'm just like okay. His name's
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: Greg and the other guy's name is Greg, and I'm
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: like okay. So then one damn editing over at the
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: other Greg's house the show that I just shot, and
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: I hadn't even done gotten to that interview, and I go,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: by the way, you don't know Greg Bamnicky and he goes, yeah,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: that was my bass player, and I go Michael, I
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: said so, and he as it was the name of
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: the band. Again he goes yeah, Michael and the Messengers.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: I'm like oh, he goes yeah, we were the first
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: white band signed to Motown or something. Okay, But the
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: point is, I go, well, I'm friend with your bass
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: players and you're from LA and I just met you
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: guys both independently, and I said, how about I reunite
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: you guys because you haven't talked them in probably fifty years.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: So I called I put them together, and they reunite.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: But so the one guy who teaches so here's a coincidence.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: The guy who teaches me the TV business and my
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: first TV business to do is his buddy, and they live.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, there are how many people are in the
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: US right and I meet them both separately. So I
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: called the Book of Monsters and Messengers, So it's kind
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: of messengers is a double meaning?
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: Does that makes sense?
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: Because they were they were with this band called the Messengers,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: like they did songs like the Midnight Hour and songs
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: that you wrote me and Juliet, and you know, they
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: had all these.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Behind and it's really cool little background going on, Untold,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: tell me about that. Anything you want to go ahead
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: and uh, you know put out there to people to
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: check out or what's upcoming, you know, without giving giving
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: away too much.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, yep, still I'm working on trying to wrap
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: up Legiment Science. We just put a letter out We're
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: going to fulfill all of our obligations except that last dock.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: So they're getting books and all these posters, all this
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: stuff's going out, but the doc is waiting for some
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: final forensic tests. I have very little control over. All
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: I can do is just keep funding them and saying
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: and bugging them in a nice way and going when's
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: those tests coming? So Legiment Science too will be coming soon.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm looking at my thirty two terabyte drive packed
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: full of beautiful footage shot in like four K, so
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: that's coming out. I run the untold Radio Network which
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: has many different podcasts called the Adult Radio Network, and
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: they can check it out anywhere on YouTube or any
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: of the any of the platforms. And then uh yeah.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: And then Hangar one Publishing I started with my two boys,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: and we publish many, many, many Bigfoot books and some
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: other monster books on monsters. Hangar one Numeral one Publishing
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: dot com. And i've recently just because I had planned
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: this back when I was in my twenties, that I
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: was going to be uh to start a record label
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: when I got into my retirement age and that's what
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: I've done. So White Wolf Entertainment Records now exist, so
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: we now have podcasting, we have books, we have television,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: and we also now have a record label.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: So that's you're very very I mean for being retired. Yeah,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think you ever stopped. And if people think
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: retiring is laying on the beach with my tie in
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: your hand, Okay, maybe one day, but what do you
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: do today after that?
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm I'm very busy and I love it now.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: Of course your grandkids coming. Yeah, that's the best. Yeah,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: my life is amazing.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: So this has been an amazing man. I'm so very
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: glad that you came on.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: Thank you for inviting me.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: It's been a blast, man. And I'll reach out to
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: you man in the future and just catch it checking
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: on me once in a while, and please do looking
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: forward to your docs.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: And yeah, and I gotta, I gotta, I gotta get you.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: I gotta reciprocate and get you on our show.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: I'd love to do that a couple of stories. Yeah,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: there's a reason why this started. I mean, uh, being
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: a musician myself in the front.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: Man, and you can't you can't live, you can't live
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: in the peninsula not have stories.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: That's true. How did you get there? Tom? It's a
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: long story, but all right, man, I appreciate it very much,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: and thanks for coming on one more time. I appreciate
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: with that pleasure. All right, guys, remember we are they,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: we are aware. Love you all.