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Sharri | 15 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News This Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. A big exclusive tonight, I can
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Speaker 2: reveal an American nuclear powered submarine will be in Australian
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Speaker 2: waters from next week in what's described as a show
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Speaker 2: of force against China. The full details coming up only
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Speaker 2: on this program. American Congressman Michael McCall, the chair of
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Speaker 2: the powerful Foreign Affairs Committee, has bucked in Peter Dutton's
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Speaker 2: concerns over Palestinian visas. He says that any HMAS sympathizer
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Speaker 2: could be a ticking time bomb. Michael McCall sat down
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Speaker 2: with me for an exclusive interview.
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Speaker 3: But you have to properly vet individuals before you bring
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Speaker 3: them in to your country, otherwise you could be bringing in,
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Speaker 3: you know, ticking time bonds, Hamas or other terrorists that
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Speaker 3: could cause problems.
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Speaker 2: This as Dutton fights off accusations of racism after he
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Speaker 2: demanded a block on visas from the war zone. But
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Speaker 2: first tonight we're seeing utter hypocrisy from the Albanese government.
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Speaker 2: Hamas is listed as a prescribed terror organization in Australia.
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Speaker 2: This means that members of Hamas are literally banned and
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Speaker 2: could be prosecuted in this country. So there's the very
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Speaker 2: real question over whether Australian government policy to allow Hamas
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Speaker 2: supporters from the front line of Gaza into Australia is
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Speaker 2: contradicting its own laws. The heat should be firmly on
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, his Foreign Minister and Tony Burke for
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Speaker 2: radical policy lunacy get Instead, the focus today was on
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton, and Dutton was accused of racism for daring
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Speaker 2: to suggest to the Albanesi government shouldn't be flying in
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Speaker 2: terrorists from a war zone.
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Speaker 4: I seek to try to bring people together, not always
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Speaker 4: looking for a wage or to divide.
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Speaker 2: Stop being racist.
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Speaker 3: Leader of the opposition Order, Well, it was an offensive
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Speaker 3: and unparliamentary remark.
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Speaker 5: It should be withdrawn.
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Speaker 6: Is a description of language being racist and unparliamentary remark.
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Speaker 2: Let you say something about the children that are Bengus laughter.
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton is the leader of the Nasty Party. It's trumpion,
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Speaker 2: it's despicable and it needs to be called out.
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Speaker 4: The coalition's gone too far, yep, absolutely absolutely.
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Speaker 2: The last thing you want to be doing is heightening
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Speaker 2: anger here in this country, and that's exactly what Peter
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Speaker 2: Dutton's doing. And many media outlets work equally as critical.
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Speaker 2: Good to see it. Are you heartless? A heartless racist?
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Speaker 5: Do you have any humanity?
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Speaker 1: Mike Burgess says, if there's no ideological support for her mask,
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Speaker 1: they're not a problem. Don't you trust ASIO? They check
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Speaker 1: if someone provided for or material support to Hamas or
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Speaker 1: if they have an ideology, so what else? And if
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Speaker 1: they don't, they're fine to come in. What else do
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Speaker 1: you want them to check?
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Speaker 2: Well, we've been reporting on this program for months now
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Speaker 2: that security vetting is being done in as little as
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Speaker 2: an hour, sometimes as well just a day, and in
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Speaker 2: many occasions it's not even sent to ASIO for checking
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Speaker 2: at all. The City Morning Herald, which as you know,
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Speaker 2: has a long history of anti Israel coverage, cold Dutton heartless,
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Speaker 2: saying his hardline approach is cruel to people fleeing war.
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Speaker 2: This has a human cost, and Dutton may find it
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Speaker 2: has a political cost, but the reality is the precise opposite.
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Speaker 2: It's heartless for Albanezi to bring in potential terror supporters
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Speaker 2: to Australia and put Australian lives at risk. Hermas doesn't
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Speaker 2: only hate Jews, but all Westerners and the very values
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Speaker 2: we all stand for. Not all Palestinians, of course support
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Speaker 2: her mus although so many are indoctrinated from birth to
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Speaker 2: hate Jews, as we revealed on this show. As I
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Speaker 2: said for months now, because we have been exposing the
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Speaker 2: security flaws, and this is journalism, there are enormous flaws
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Speaker 2: in the security process to determine whether people coming to
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Speaker 2: Australia from the war zone are genuine refugees or have
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Speaker 2: a problematic history. It's not racism to be concerned about
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Speaker 2: terrorists or their supporters coming to Australia when social cohesion
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Speaker 2: is already at breaking point and the terror threat level
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Speaker 2: is rising. Foreign editor The Australian Greg Sheridan put it
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Speaker 2: perfectly when he writes that Australian government policy has been
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Speaker 2: historically to be cautious about taking people from radicalized populations.
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Speaker 2: He says that we can have and should have a
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Speaker 2: generous refugee policy without accepting radicalized people. Sheridan asks, is
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Speaker 2: it now Australian government policy that support for a terrorist
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Speaker 2: organization is not enough to disqualify someone from coming to Australia,
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Speaker 2: indeed coming and settling permanently, And he describes this position
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Speaker 2: as wildly radical new policy which the government either has
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Speaker 2: to explain or abandoned. Sheridan says that if refugees are
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Speaker 2: to be resettled, the United Nations preference is for that
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Speaker 2: to be in their own region, and he says he
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Speaker 2: points out the Gaza is surrounded by hundreds of millions
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Speaker 2: of Arabic speaking people in predominantly Muslim, Arab and North
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Speaker 2: African countries, which are obvious places for refugees. Greg Sheridan
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Speaker 2: argues that the government has got itself into an absurd situation,
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Speaker 2: a completely ridiculou rhetorical bind in which it cannot even
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Speaker 2: say that supporting a terrorist organization disqualifies an applicant from
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Speaker 2: coming to Australia. He says, if that is the government's position,
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Speaker 2: it should not hide behind Asio but actually tell us
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Speaker 2: how it came to such a radical conclusion that some
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Speaker 2: support for terrorist organization is okay, and whether this is
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Speaker 2: now Australian policy going forward. He says, interrogating these issues
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Speaker 2: is not remotely racist, but the Prime Minister has been
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Speaker 2: unable to actually guarantee and promise Australians that rigorous security
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Speaker 2: checks are being done in every instance, unable to answer
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Speaker 2: the questions about why some security checks are only taking
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Speaker 2: one hour, and why he must sympathizers could have already
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Speaker 2: been let into the country. Well, they can't answer those questions,
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Speaker 2: so that Albanezi government can only attack dutt It no answers,
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Speaker 2: just emotional attacks. And alban Easy seriously misled Australians today
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Speaker 2: and it was breathtaking to watch unfold life because he
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Speaker 2: claimed that ASIO Director General Mike Burgess had said that
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Speaker 2: security checks were being done. Now, listen very carefully to
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's remarks here.
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Speaker 4: I'll refer to what the ASIO Director General himself has said.
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Speaker 4: If they've been issued a visa, they've gone through the process,
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Speaker 4: they're referred to my organization and Asia. Does it seems.
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Speaker 7: No?
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Speaker 2: He stopped reading the direct quote halfway through. In the
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Speaker 2: very next sentence, Mike Burgess said that not all visas
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Speaker 2: had been sent to them in time. Have A listened
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Speaker 2: to what Mike Burgess actually said.
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Speaker 6: So for all immigration, including when you're balancing humanitarian needs,
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Speaker 6: security checks are critically There are process in place, and
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Speaker 6: I can assure your audience that when things get referred
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Speaker 6: to Asia, we deal with them effectively. Of course, there
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Speaker 6: might be times when they didn't get referred to us
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Speaker 6: in time. Once we become aware of them, we're able
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Speaker 6: to do the assessments and deal with them effectively.
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Speaker 2: There might be times when they haven't been referred to
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Speaker 2: us in time. That is what Mike Burgess said. That
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Speaker 2: is what the Prime Minister did not read out in
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Speaker 2: question time. This is deeply misleading of the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: to misquote Burgess and take him out of context, to
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Speaker 2: leave out the part where the head of ASIO said, actually,
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Speaker 2: not all Palestinian visa applicants were sent to us in time.
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Speaker 2: It's too late when they're ready in our country. When
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke has said, oh we can't. No government in
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Speaker 2: its right mind would send anyone back to Gaza. Dutton
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Speaker 2: then did point out that Albinizi had misquoted Mike Burgess
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Speaker 2: and asked him to correct the record. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: refused to do so. Now this entire time topic is
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Speaker 2: a fight that Peter Dutton is happy to have. There's
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Speaker 2: no question most Australians would be highly concerned about her
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Speaker 2: must sympathizers arriving in our country. Even the City Morning
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Speaker 2: Herald's Resolve poll found that only ten percent of Australians
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Speaker 2: wanted to accept Palestinian refugees. So as long as the
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Speaker 2: coalition is speaking about whether to allow her Mus supporters
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Speaker 2: into the country, where alban Easy looks shakier and weaker
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Speaker 2: as Prime minister, it seems his true character as a
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Speaker 2: radical pro Palestinian activist yelling into a microphone at a
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Speaker 2: rally where the American flag was burned. Well, this is
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Speaker 2: now emerging and it poses a very real danger to
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Speaker 2: our country. Oh well, all right, don't forget still coming
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Speaker 2: up on the show with got that big exclusive about
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Speaker 2: the American nuclear powered submarine that is going to be
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Speaker 2: in Australian waders next week. That's still coming up. But
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Speaker 2: right now, let's bring in to night's panel Sky News
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Speaker 2: commentator Jason Morrison and perth Mere Basil Zemplus. Welcome to
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Speaker 2: you both, Basil, Starting with you, look, Peter Dutton said
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Speaker 2: today that even if ninety nine percent, even if that's
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Speaker 2: the case, ninety nine percent of Palestinians coming from the
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Speaker 2: war zone innocent our refugees, there's no problems with them,
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Speaker 2: even if they don't agree with Hermas. He said that
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Speaker 2: one percent could pose a security threat, could potentially commit
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Speaker 2: a terror attack and could cost lives. So why risk
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Speaker 2: And it's not just Jewish Australians, although we feel it
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Speaker 2: acutely at the moment, but why risk all Australian.
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Speaker 8: Lives exactly and almost on Q A sort of wave
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Speaker 8: of negativity towards Peter Darton very quick for his opponents
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Speaker 8: to play the race card.
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Speaker 9: But consider it this way. I think most Australians with
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Speaker 9: any good deal of common sense would say, we would
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Speaker 9: want everybody coming to this country. We'd want to know
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Speaker 9: who they are, we'd want to know their past, we'd
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Speaker 9: want to make sure that they were properly vetted. I
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Speaker 9: don't think too many people would disagree with that. If
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Speaker 9: we can't properly vet the people, if they're not properly
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Speaker 9: being vetted, then they shouldn't come. And it's no more
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Speaker 9: complicated than that. I mean, we know what John Howard
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Speaker 9: said back in two thousand and one. We decide who
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Speaker 9: comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.
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Speaker 9: The message hasn't really changed. It's common sense. We need
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Speaker 9: to know who they are, they need to be properly checked.
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Speaker 9: If they're not properly checked, they can't come. That's what
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Speaker 9: Dunton's saying. It's not that complicated, Jason.
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Speaker 2: That clip I just played it at the end of
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Speaker 2: my remarks. They're Albin Easy when he was a federal politician,
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Speaker 2: he was already in Parliament to that point, yelling into
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Speaker 2: the megaphone. I play it all the time because I
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Speaker 2: think it is so critical to his approach to this issue.
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Speaker 10: Think, yeah, we elected phony Albow, but that's real Albo,
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Speaker 10: that's the real guy. The real guy is just like
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Speaker 10: Sarah Hanson yat. The real guy thinks this is an
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Speaker 10: emotional argument. I know it's really it's tempting to want
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Speaker 10: to talk about the one percent thing. I actually want
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Speaker 10: to talk about the ninety nine percent. I want to
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Speaker 10: talk about why Australia, twelve thousand kilometers from the Middle East,
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Speaker 10: depending on which way you fly, three continents away, has
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Speaker 10: become the nation that has to do this.
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Speaker 5: I mean, Syria, where are you? Where are you? Jordan?
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Speaker 5: Where are you? Oh?
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Speaker 10: I know why you don't want them? You don't want them,
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Speaker 10: so Australia gets them.
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Speaker 7: And this is the problem.
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Speaker 10: Australia has kind of left itself there as open the
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Speaker 10: door to let the world's problems into it. Australians don't
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Speaker 10: want problems brought to its nation. So we look at
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Speaker 10: the ninety nine percent and we focus on the one percent.
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Speaker 10: I think we've seen enough in this country all ready
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Speaker 10: to tell us that even without bringing refugees from troubled
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Speaker 10: war zones, we have a big problem already in this country.
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Speaker 10: Do we want to add to it?
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Speaker 2: Yeahs. Social co under Albanesi's watch has been sadly a
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Speaker 2: breaking point. Now this is a big story today. The
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party in New South Wales has failed to enroll
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Speaker 2: dozens of candidates for the upcoming council elections. This is
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Speaker 2: a major stuff up. There's around eighteen councils maybe more
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Speaker 2: who could be impacted. This includes and if you're in Sydney,
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Speaker 2: Northern Beaches, Blue Mountains, Campbelltown, Camden Lane, Cove, shoh Haven
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Speaker 2: and Woollongong. The state opposition leader in New South Wales,
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Speaker 2: Mark Speakman, has called for the State Director, Richard Shields,
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Speaker 2: to resign Basil this isn't just a worry for New
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Speaker 2: South Wales, but given the state director is in charge
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Speaker 2: of the federal campaign as well, do you think you know,
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Speaker 2: are you worried that if this lack of administration is
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Speaker 2: replicated at the federal level that this could cause problems
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Speaker 2: for the federal election.
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Speaker 9: Well, clearly it speaks broadly to the professionalism of the organization. Organization.
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Speaker 9: If a mistake is made at one level, then questions
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Speaker 9: are going to be raised or asked about is this
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Speaker 9: happening at other levels? Could it happen at other levels?
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Speaker 9: It's not great clearly. In New South Wales, party affiliation
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Speaker 9: is part of local government elections. Here in Western Australia
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Speaker 9: it is not, although at times people are affiliated with
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Speaker 9: parties and whold positions in local government, but they don't
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Speaker 9: run as Liberal, Labor, Green or other candidates. Typically most
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Speaker 9: people are independents. But over there you haven't got a
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Speaker 9: lot to get right when you're doing that job as
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Speaker 9: it pertains to local government elections, and that was one
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Speaker 9: of them and it hasn't been done right. So there
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Speaker 9: are some big questions to answer.
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Speaker 2: Big questions. But Jason, do you think he should be sacked?
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Speaker 2: That's what Mark Speakman's calling for.
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Speaker 10: If he had any class, he and the other dits
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Speaker 10: that's in the head of the Liberal Party. Don Harwin,
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Speaker 10: the so called president of the New South Wales Liberal body,
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Speaker 10: he should be gone too. I mean a guy who's
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Speaker 10: never achieved very much ever in public office, is in
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Speaker 10: charge of it, apparently an elections expert. If you ask
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Speaker 10: anyone in the left of the Liberal Party, well, this
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Speaker 10: is Don Harwin's work. This is how he handles election.
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Speaker 10: He cocks them up. You know this, Basil's right. In
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Speaker 10: Western Australia they don't endorse for local We didn't do
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Speaker 10: it in New South Wales either for a very long time.
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Speaker 10: I say we as in the Liberal Party. We's not
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Speaker 10: a member of it, but I mean it didn't happen.
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Speaker 10: And the reason that didn't happen is because the Liberal
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Speaker 10: Party couldn't cope with it. But all these factional game
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Speaker 10: players like Harwan and Photius and Keen and others that
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Speaker 10: are in there, they've seen this as the breeding ground
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Speaker 10: on the left of parlor of politics to try to
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Speaker 10: create their own little clubs, and it's just fallen over.
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Speaker 10: Shields should be gone. If he had any class, he
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Speaker 10: would go, which is tragic because he's actually a man
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Speaker 10: of some capability, But he'll go. Harwin shouldn't even be
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Speaker 10: there in the first place. And half the people that
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Speaker 10: make up the state executive you wouldn't feed. So you've
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Speaker 10: got this dilemma where, you know, if you're a conservative
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Speaker 10: minded person, and I am unashamedly, you kind of have
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Speaker 10: this situation where the people running the party that should
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Speaker 10: be servicing your vale user needs, they're just bloody hopeless.
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Speaker 10: And as a result of it, you've got a class
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Speaker 10: of people in there that roll their eyes at traditional
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Speaker 10: conservative voters and they can't even get the basic job right.
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Speaker 10: How this has been allowed to happen. Peter Dunton's going
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Speaker 10: to have to step in. They'll have to be a
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Speaker 10: federally deventioned because even tonight they're defending this bloke's position,
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Speaker 10: they're defending its staggering.
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Speaker 5: It really is.
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Speaker 2: We'll keep covering it over the coming days. Just before
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Speaker 2: we go, let's turn to this a fight that's brewing
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Speaker 2: in the North Shore of Sydney. This is between some
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Speaker 2: of the Teals. They've become household names, Kylie tink Zalie Staggle.
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Speaker 2: This after fellow independent oh and Sophie Scamps as well.
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Speaker 2: So this is after the abolition of the Electorate of
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Speaker 2: North Sydney and now the Teals are fighting over which
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Speaker 2: seat they'll all run for. Balzo, I just want to
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Speaker 2: ask you a political question, do you think the Teals
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Speaker 2: are going to be as successful in this next federal
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Speaker 2: election as they were in twenty twenty two, or do
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Speaker 2: you think that part of the reason they did so
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Speaker 2: well was because there are a lot of Liberal voters
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Speaker 2: who didn't like Scott Morrison, didn't want to vote for
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison, and they saw these female independents as another option.
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Speaker 9: So my instinct is the latter. We know the set
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Speaker 9: of circumstances that existed at the last federal election. Scott Morrison,
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Speaker 9: for whatever reason, was on the nose with the electorate
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Speaker 9: and the Liberals were in power. We know now it's
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Speaker 9: a labor government and there is not that anti Morrison sentiment.
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Speaker 9: He no longer exists in the Parliament. So therefore I
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Speaker 9: think it's going to be a lot harder for the Teals. However,
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Speaker 9: many of them have built up a standing and a
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Speaker 9: following in their local areas and so they will remain
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Speaker 9: very competitive. But our circumstances as favorable, nowhere near as
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Speaker 9: favorable as they were three years ago.
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Speaker 5: For the Teals.
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Speaker 2: Very quickly, Jason, what do you reckon?
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Speaker 5: I hope not?
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Speaker 2: That was quick? That was good, all right? Basil's empliers,
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Speaker 2: Jase Morrison. Great to see you both. Still to come
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Speaker 2: my exclusive that an American nuclear powered submarine will be
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Speaker 2: off the coast of Australia from next week in what's
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Speaker 2: been described as a show of force against China. Those
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Speaker 2: full details next, plus the chair of America's powerful Foreign
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Speaker 2: Affairs Congressional Committee, Michael McCall. You can see him on
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Speaker 2: the screen now. He's backed Peter Dutton's concerns over Palestinian visas,
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Speaker 2: and McColl says that any must sympathizer could be a
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Speaker 2: ticking time bomb. That's coming up after this quick break,
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Speaker 2: Welcome back.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 2: Today I sat down with the chair of the powerful
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Speaker 2: United States Foreign Affairs Congressional Committee, Michael McCall, for an
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Speaker 2: exclusive interview. The senior American congressman has been in Australia
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Speaker 2: this week for meetings with Penny Wong, Richard Miles, and
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Speaker 2: the head of our intelligence agencies Andrew Shearer. Is so
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Speaker 2: concerned about China's increasing aggression in our region that McColl
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Speaker 2: told me an American nuclear powered submarine will be off
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Speaker 2: the coast of Perth from next week. It will then
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Speaker 2: move through the Pacific. McColl said this is a show
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Speaker 2: of force and will act as a deterrence against China.
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Speaker 2: In our exclusive interview, McColl also expressed concerns about Palestinian visas,
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Speaker 2: saying security vetting is extremely difficult and any Hamas sympathizer
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Speaker 2: would be a ticking time bomb. He also revealed that
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Speaker 2: he had been personally speaking to Saudi officials about taking
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Speaker 2: on a roll in Gaza after the defeat of Hamas,
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Speaker 2: and he said he was confident Donald Trump would support
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Speaker 2: Orcas if he returns to the White House. Here's that interview.
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Speaker 2: Have a look, Michael McCall, great to have you here
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Speaker 2: in Australia.
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Speaker 5: Oh thanks, Jerry's great to be here.
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Speaker 2: You are in Question Time in Canberra yesterday in part
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Speaker 2: Elament House. The big political issue this week has been
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Speaker 2: whether there is enough security vetting of Palestinians who are
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Speaker 2: coming to Australia from the war zone in Gaza. The
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Speaker 2: Opposition leader Peter Darton has said that at this point
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Speaker 2: in time, given there are no Australian officials on the
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Speaker 2: ground able to do the interviews and the security checks,
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Speaker 2: he said, there shouldn't be any Palestinians coming to Australia.
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Speaker 5: What do you.
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Speaker 3: Think it was interesting to be, you know, in the
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Speaker 3: Parliament seeing my counterparts. In Australia they get a little
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Speaker 3: rowdy with their questions and answer series, which I kind
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Speaker 3: of enjoyed.
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Speaker 2: More than in the US.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be.
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Speaker 3: Kind of fun to see that in the United States,
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Speaker 3: you know, the interchange and having the Prime Minister on
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Speaker 3: the floor taking you know, hits from the opposition. And
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Speaker 3: I can't imagine the President of United States sitting in the.
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Speaker 2: World and insults at him and.
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Speaker 5: Then they take down the insults.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just withdrawal that to me.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we always think, you know, the Brits are more civilized,
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Speaker 3: but sometimes and then the Australians, but it's very rowdy.
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Speaker 3: But to answer your question, I think and I chaired
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Speaker 3: the Homeland Security Committee for a long time as a
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Speaker 3: federal prosecutor counter terrorism, and I'm very sympathetic to the
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Speaker 3: Palestinian people who have been held hostage by Hamas. Really
21:27
Speaker 3: we want to find a safe haven, but you have
21:30
Speaker 3: to properly vet individuals before you bring them in to
21:35
Speaker 3: your country, Otherwise you could be bringing in you know,
21:39
Speaker 3: chicking time bombs, Hamas or other terrorists that could cause
21:45
Speaker 3: problems in my own country. After the fall of Afghanistan,
21:49
Speaker 3: thousands of vices k came out of the Bogram prisons.
21:53
Speaker 3: They went up to the Krzon region which is Pakistan
21:55
Speaker 3: Afghanistan to Zakistan. They made all the way to the
21:59
Speaker 3: Mechican border, came up through Mexico and the United States
22:03
Speaker 3: and eight of them are detained. They also have smuggling
22:07
Speaker 3: ring and god knows how many more in the United
22:09
Speaker 3: States and that worries me.
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Speaker 2: And the most important thing, the greatest obligation of any
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Speaker 2: political leader is to protect your own citizens first and foremost,
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Speaker 2: to protect national security.
22:21
Speaker 5: I think the most important.
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Speaker 3: Both of any office, whether it's Congress or the Prime
22:28
Speaker 3: Minister or the President, is to protect people from outside threats.
22:32
Speaker 2: Do you think both sides of United States politics are
22:36
Speaker 2: equally as committed to August. Do you think Australians can
22:40
Speaker 2: rest assured that this will go through, that we will
22:43
Speaker 2: have nuclear powered submarines irrespective of whoever's in power.
22:46
Speaker 5: Yes, I do.
22:47
Speaker 3: And you know I made sure when the bill I
22:50
Speaker 3: passed was bipartison very important that we not played politics
22:55
Speaker 3: with US one nation, one voice Australia. I can tell
22:58
Speaker 3: you I met with your leadership from the top down.
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Speaker 3: Everyone is strongly supportive. That was exciting to see.
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Speaker 2: How soon do you think we'll have nuclear powered submarines
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Speaker 2: in Australia.
23:09
Speaker 3: Well, I think you're gonna see rotations soon. In fact,
23:14
Speaker 3: the certification on Pillar two, which is the innovation and technology,
23:18
Speaker 3: will come out in the States probably later today and
23:24
Speaker 3: you'll hear about it here tomorrow.
23:26
Speaker 2: Mean rotations.
23:28
Speaker 3: Subs US class subs that will rotate through Perth and
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Speaker 3: other ports in Australia.
23:35
Speaker 2: As a show of strength to China, show your force,
23:38
Speaker 2: and they'll be nuclear powered submarines.
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Speaker 5: Correct.
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Speaker 2: That's incredible. So when you're expecting that to begin.
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Speaker 3: Well, we've been waiting for the certification process. Your apartiament,
23:49
Speaker 3: the Australian Parliament was required to pass export control laws,
23:54
Speaker 3: which they did.
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Speaker 5: Is very proud of them. And now we can begin.
23:58
Speaker 3: Because you know, when I met with the intelligence community,
24:02
Speaker 3: this thing Arcus, this alliance between United States UK Australia
24:08
Speaker 3: is probably the thing that keeps Cherman Shee up the
24:10
Speaker 3: most at night. It's the thing he worries about. It's
24:13
Speaker 3: a thing that really scares him. And when you have that,
24:16
Speaker 3: you have deterrence, and if you have deterrence, you don't
24:19
Speaker 3: have work, and.
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Speaker 2: You're confident Donald Trump would be committed to ORCUS should
24:23
Speaker 2: he become president again.
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Speaker 3: I do you know, the whole idea started with Secretary Pompeo.
24:30
Speaker 3: I talked to Mike Pompeo. He talked to your Director
24:33
Speaker 3: of National Intelligence about this idea. So it's really an
24:37
Speaker 3: extension of something that started under the Trump administration.
24:41
Speaker 2: Turning to US politics domestically, you've been outspoken about the
24:46
Speaker 2: security flaws that led to the attempted assassination on Donald Trump.
24:52
Speaker 2: How concerned are you about the fact that a shooter
24:55
Speaker 2: was able to be on the roof, people saw him,
24:57
Speaker 2: and action wasn't taken in time, was able to fire
25:01
Speaker 2: off shots and there was a near miss.
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Speaker 5: No, Sherry, I went out to the site right after.
25:06
Speaker 3: So for one of the first members to go up
25:08
Speaker 3: on the rooftop very close, I mean it's closer than
25:13
Speaker 3: that is to us and a sniper, it's an easy shot.
25:17
Speaker 3: I thank god he missed, but he was too close.
25:20
Speaker 3: He should never have been there. I think Secret Service
25:23
Speaker 3: made some fundamental mistakes, but it all goes back to
25:26
Speaker 3: the leadership within Secret Service and also the communications with
25:30
Speaker 3: the local police.
25:32
Speaker 5: On the ground.
25:33
Speaker 3: I think it was anytime you have an attempted assassination,
25:36
Speaker 3: that is by definition of failure, and I think that
25:39
Speaker 3: was a failure.
25:40
Speaker 2: Do you think there's still a lot we don't know
25:43
Speaker 2: about what exactly unfolded on that day.
25:46
Speaker 3: I mean, we know a lot more about the individual,
25:50
Speaker 3: A deranged individual. Again, he was, for a twenty year old,
25:54
Speaker 3: pretty smart. I mean, he had a throne that he
25:57
Speaker 3: three days earlier, got an aero surveillance map of the place,
26:02
Speaker 3: He walked around, scouted it out, very methodical. I think
26:07
Speaker 3: he was startled when the local police officer climbed up
26:10
Speaker 3: on the roof and he fired a shot.
26:13
Speaker 5: Maybe it's too.
26:15
Speaker 3: Hastily for him, and that probably saved the present's life.
26:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, unbelievable. We've seen this. We've seen quite a dramatic
26:24
Speaker 2: reinvention of Kamala Harris. She wasn't considered it particularly capable VP.
26:30
Speaker 2: Now people are as excited about her, or the left
26:33
Speaker 2: leading media are at least as they were about Barack Obama.
26:37
Speaker 2: What do you make of this transformation virtually overnight.
26:40
Speaker 5: Well, to me, it's kind of Hollywood.
26:42
Speaker 3: It's like a reinvention of her, And I'm sure, the
26:47
Speaker 3: Obama machine is behind this to make her look like
26:50
Speaker 3: a new attractive candidate. But where's she been the last
26:55
Speaker 3: three four years and what has she done?
26:58
Speaker 5: She has no record.
27:00
Speaker 3: In fact, the only responsibility job responsibility she had was
27:04
Speaker 3: the borders are which she failed miserably. And I think
27:09
Speaker 3: that issue in America is going to drive the selection.
27:13
Speaker 2: And she's avoiding media interviews of course.
27:15
Speaker 3: Of course I think she's a little bit ahead in
27:17
Speaker 3: the poor so why expose yourself? And you remember during COVID,
27:24
Speaker 3: Biden didn't really have to come out of the basement
27:26
Speaker 3: a whole wise.
27:27
Speaker 2: So we had the excuse of the pandemic. That excuse
27:30
Speaker 2: isn't isn't there?
27:30
Speaker 5: Now? That's right, that's right, and she should I just want.
27:33
Speaker 2: To ask you about the Israel Hamas war. Are you
27:39
Speaker 2: concerned that we have seen this reluctance by the United
27:43
Speaker 2: States to wholeheartedly support Israel? You know, I mentioned Biden's
27:48
Speaker 2: refusal to hand over some weapons. Israel is under threat
27:52
Speaker 2: on all sides. Yes, Iran's behind it, but Hesbellah Hamas
27:57
Speaker 2: who the rebels? Do you think the US should be
28:01
Speaker 2: stronger in its support of its closest ally in the
28:04
Speaker 2: Middle East.
28:05
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've always felt that way.
28:06
Speaker 3: I think this is not you know, this is not
28:08
Speaker 3: just Hamas has Houthi rebels. This is really a conflict
28:12
Speaker 3: to fight between Iran and Israel in any daylight, between
28:16
Speaker 3: the United States, you know, Israel's greatest ally partner, exposes
28:21
Speaker 3: them to the bigger threat. They've withheld My administration's withheld weapons.
28:28
Speaker 3: I signed off on all four military sales, including the
28:32
Speaker 3: Aucus sales here, and they held them up, they stole them.
28:37
Speaker 3: That's a danger signal to our allies, and it worries me.
28:41
Speaker 3: And I think there's a narrative out there. If you
28:45
Speaker 3: look at the younger generation, the only news they have
28:48
Speaker 3: is primarily tik tak, which we know is driven by algorithms.
28:53
Speaker 3: They're driven by China, Russian Iran, so all they see
28:57
Speaker 3: is the Palestinian plight. Well, I'm very empathetic to them, but.
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Speaker 5: We need to finish this and move on to the normalization.
29:08
Speaker 3: Any talks of ceasefire, while it sounds great, it remains
29:13
Speaker 3: it keeps Sinewar in power, Hamas in power, and this
29:17
Speaker 3: cannot uh, this cannot be finalized until Hamas is out
29:22
Speaker 3: of power.
29:22
Speaker 2: We need it. There needs to be a new governing
29:24
Speaker 2: body in Gaza to move forward, for the wall to.
29:27
Speaker 5: End for the Palestinians.
29:29
Speaker 3: I've talked to the Saudi's very extensively about this. Uh.
29:32
Speaker 3: They're in the best position to form a governance for
29:36
Speaker 3: the Palestinians, but we can't get to the normalization.
29:39
Speaker 2: You've spoken to them about helping with the process after.
29:42
Speaker 5: The war, Oh, yeah, one hundred percent. They are very engaged.
29:46
Speaker 5: They're keenly interested.
29:47
Speaker 3: They want to be a part of a new Middle East,
29:50
Speaker 3: a normalization that involves the reconstruction that they would in
29:55
Speaker 3: most part fund, but also most importantly, a security alliance
30:00
Speaker 3: between the United States, Israel, and the Saudist.
30:04
Speaker 5: We haven't seen anything like this.
30:06
Speaker 3: Well, the Abraham Accords were a big step forward Jordan
30:10
Speaker 3: and Egypt, very courageous, but this would be a game
30:14
Speaker 3: changer in the Middle East that could finally bring peace.
30:19
Speaker 3: But we can't get to that point, Cheery, until Hamas
30:23
Speaker 3: is over. The parallels between the late nineteen thirties and
30:28
Speaker 3: today are very real. History does repeat itself and I
30:33
Speaker 3: don't want it to repeat itself.
30:35
Speaker 5: From the Pacific.
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Speaker 2: Do you mean in terms of anti Semitism or global
30:39
Speaker 2: volatility it's repeating itself.
30:41
Speaker 3: I think in terms of World War you know, we
30:45
Speaker 3: haven't seen a threat to Europe the size since World
30:49
Speaker 3: War Two, even according to your Director of National Intelligence,
30:53
Speaker 3: we haven't seen a threat like this to the Pacific
30:56
Speaker 3: since World War Two. And now we have the Middle
30:58
Speaker 3: East on fire with.
31:00
Speaker 2: The I told and Iran is clearly embolded one.
31:04
Speaker 3: Hundred percent because of Afghanistan, because of the failures to
31:09
Speaker 3: put sanctions on China, who have re vitalized the Russian military.
31:13
Speaker 3: When they see weakness, our enemies become empowered and they
31:19
Speaker 3: feel embolden right now. And that's why President She's being
31:22
Speaker 3: so aggressive. He's in bolden. I asked a President Marcus
31:26
Speaker 3: and the Philippines, why do you think he's doing this
31:28
Speaker 3: because he feels emboldened now? And it's because we're not
31:32
Speaker 3: projecting power and strength rather weakness.
31:36
Speaker 5: And historically Chamberlain did this with Hitler.
31:41
Speaker 3: Hitler laughed at him, said, what worth the papers written
31:44
Speaker 3: on Churchill came in Appeasement doesn't work.
31:47
Speaker 5: Churchill projected power.
31:50
Speaker 3: Churchill told my president at that time, Roosevelt, that it
31:55
Speaker 3: was the unnecessary war because it could have been prevented earlier.
31:59
Speaker 3: On that's why I'm here to provide deterrence to.
32:03
Speaker 5: Come with China.
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Speaker 2: Michael McCall a pleasure to speak with you. Thank you
32:07
Speaker 2: very much for your time.
32:08
Speaker 5: Thanks thanks for having me.
32:09
Speaker 2: Thank you all right, And that was US Congressman Michael McCall.
32:14
Speaker 2: Still to come. Peter Darton accuses Zari Stegel of being
32:17
Speaker 2: a Green in disguise after she accused him of racism.
32:23
Speaker 2: Julian Lisa will be on the show after this quick break.
32:29
Speaker 2: Welcome back. Well, let's return to the Peter Dutton pylon
32:33
Speaker 2: that reached fever pitch in Parliament today with Zarie Stegel
32:36
Speaker 2: branding him a racist. Have a look and we hurt
32:41
Speaker 2: you in silence.
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Speaker 6: You can hear me in silence.
32:44
Speaker 9: Or stop being raced the opposition.
32:48
Speaker 2: Well, Peter Dutton also had a crack against Zarie Stegel
32:51
Speaker 2: on t GB today. Have a look.
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Speaker 5: Well, it probably doesn't come as any surprise.
32:55
Speaker 3: I mean, people who know Zarlie Stegel know that she's
32:57
Speaker 3: really green and they hold these extreme views.
33:01
Speaker 2: To discuss this issue, let's bring in now liberal MP
33:04
Speaker 2: Julian Lisa. Julian, great to have you back, wonderful to
33:07
Speaker 2: be here. What do you think of that. Accusations that
33:10
Speaker 2: we saw today from several politicians accusing Peter Dutton of
33:14
Speaker 2: racism and then again the media supported it, saying he
33:17
Speaker 2: was heartless.
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Speaker 11: Well, I think this is just completely false. Peter Dutton
33:20
Speaker 11: is not a racist. What he's asked for is a
33:23
Speaker 11: pause in Australia refuge at taking people from a war zone.
33:28
Speaker 11: And he's asked us to have a pause of this
33:29
Speaker 11: because we need to establish where the people who are
33:32
Speaker 11: coming from this war zone in Gaza are a security
33:34
Speaker 11: threat and I have no confidence that what the government
33:37
Speaker 11: has done actually establishes that we don't have any security
33:40
Speaker 11: threats here. We want to make sure that there is
33:43
Speaker 11: not a single HMAS supporter that is coming to Australia
33:46
Speaker 11: as part of as part of the cohort that we're
33:49
Speaker 11: taking in and that's what Peter Dutton's asking for, that
33:51
Speaker 11: we implement orthodox security checking processes and take a pause
33:56
Speaker 11: while that happens.
33:57
Speaker 2: Look, there was this suggestion that this was some haptains
34:00
Speaker 2: call by Peter dart in the implication beg that not
34:03
Speaker 2: all of the party room was behind him. Did anyone
34:06
Speaker 2: disagree with him that you know of?
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Speaker 11: Well, can I say I think the party room thoroughly
34:10
Speaker 11: supports Peter Dutton on this. I support Peter Dutton very strongly.
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Speaker 11: Earlier in the week I arranged for a letter to
34:16
Speaker 11: be signed by eighty Coalition MPs and several cross benches
34:19
Speaker 11: to Tony Burke. We wanted to make sure in this
34:22
Speaker 11: letter that Tony Burke does not let any Hamas sympathizer
34:25
Speaker 11: into Australia and give.
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Speaker 5: Them a visa.
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Speaker 11: And we want to ask him to look at canceling
34:30
Speaker 11: the visas of any Hamas sympathizers. That here Hamas is
34:33
Speaker 11: a terrorist organization that we list in our own country
34:36
Speaker 11: and letting even one Hamas sympathizer into this country makes
34:39
Speaker 11: Australia less safe. Is the duty of the government to
34:42
Speaker 11: keep Australian safe and if they are letting in Hamas sympathizers,
34:46
Speaker 11: they are making Australia less safe.
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Speaker 2: There seems to be and it must be government policy.
34:52
Speaker 2: That Mike Burgess articulated in the interview on Insiders that
34:56
Speaker 2: they were trying to separate rhetorical support for hama Us
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Speaker 2: from ideological support from Hermas. Do you see rhetorical support
35:04
Speaker 2: for Hermus being less dangerous or less less threatening when
35:07
Speaker 2: it comes to our social cohesion.
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Speaker 11: I see any support for Hermas as being dangerous for Australia.
35:13
Speaker 11: Hamas is a terrorist organization that we list in this
35:15
Speaker 11: country as a terrorist organization. We list it in order
35:18
Speaker 11: to discourage Australians from associating or supporting it in any way.
35:22
Speaker 11: Other terrorist organizations we list include Islamic State and Al
35:26
Speaker 11: Kaieda and Hesbella. Can you imagine Australia during previous wars
35:31
Speaker 11: letting in people who say I'm a supporter of Al
35:34
Speaker 11: Kaieda or Islamic State is doing a good job.
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Speaker 2: We wouldn't do that, and having the government say, oh,
35:40
Speaker 2: it's just rhetorical. That comes down to anti Semitos.
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Speaker 5: I think it does.
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Speaker 11: Sharry once again, there's a double standard where it comes
35:46
Speaker 11: to the protection of Australian's Jewish background. There's a double
35:50
Speaker 11: standard when it comes to dealing with Israel, and because
35:52
Speaker 11: Hamas and Hezbollah are the two organizations that are most
35:57
Speaker 11: strongly targeting Israel at the moment, in particular Harmas in Gaza.
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Speaker 11: There's just this double standard that's applying, and I think
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Speaker 11: the government should adopt the orthodox process with dealing with
36:07
Speaker 11: these terroists. The process that Peter Dutton adopted. The most
36:11
Speaker 11: experienced parliamentary when it comes to national security in the
36:14
Speaker 11: Parliament today, he knows this portfolio inside out, unlike those
36:17
Speaker 11: l plate ministers like Andrew Giles and Tiny Burke, who
36:21
Speaker 11: on both their watchers have stuffed up the migration program
36:23
Speaker 11: and reduced public confidence in the security of this country.
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Speaker 2: We also saw the Prime Minister seriously misquote the Director
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Speaker 2: General of Asia today. Let's have a look at what
36:34
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister claimed Mike Burgess had said.
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Speaker 4: I'll refer to what the ASIO Director General himself has said.
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Speaker 4: If they've been issued a visa, they've gone through the process,
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Speaker 4: they're referred to my organization and ASIA does it seems.
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Speaker 2: But in fact, as I've showed you already, he cut
36:56
Speaker 2: that quote in half. Here is what Mike Burgess actually said.
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Speaker 6: So for all immigration, including when you're balancing humanitarian needs,
37:05
Speaker 6: security checks are critically important. There are process in place
37:08
Speaker 6: and I can assure your audience that when things get
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Speaker 6: referred to ASIA, we deal with them effectively. Of course,
37:14
Speaker 6: there might be times when they didn't get referred to us.
37:16
Speaker 6: In time, once we become aware of them, we're able
37:19
Speaker 6: to do the assessments and deal with them effectively.
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Speaker 2: So he's been careful with his words, Julian, but he
37:24
Speaker 2: very clearly said cases when they don't get referred to
37:27
Speaker 2: us in time, meaning the people already in Australia, and
37:30
Speaker 2: Tony Burker said, no one's going to be sent back.
37:32
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
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Speaker 11: What the Prime Minister was implying today in question time
37:36
Speaker 11: was that everyone gets referred to Asia and that's just
37:38
Speaker 11: not the case. And I think the Director General of
37:40
Speaker 11: Security was very clear in stating the position on the weekend.
37:43
Speaker 11: And I think mister Alberizi should apologize for misleading the
37:46
Speaker 11: Parliament and he should apologize for misrepresenting the Director General
37:49
Speaker 11: of Security.
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Speaker 2: I keep playing that clip. I played it tonight Alberanizi.
37:54
Speaker 2: It wasn't even when he was a student. He was
37:56
Speaker 2: already in canber he was already in feredial politics. Tendred
38:00
Speaker 2: of pro Palestinian anti Israel rally. He was yelling into
38:04
Speaker 2: the megaphone and at that rally rally And actually Criiche
38:08
Speaker 2: has reported this, there was an American an Israeli flag burned.
38:12
Speaker 2: It was held outside the US Embassy in Sydney at
38:16
Speaker 2: the time. It was in Martin place. What do you
38:19
Speaker 2: think about this history and how this influences the Prime
38:24
Speaker 2: Minister who's meant to govern for all Australians today.
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Speaker 11: I'll show you're right to remind people of the Prime
38:30
Speaker 11: Minister's history on this. He has been a supporter of
38:33
Speaker 11: the Palestinian cause for a long time and he has
38:35
Speaker 11: attended rallies where flags have been burnt and awful things
38:39
Speaker 11: have been chanted. But he's now the Prime Minister and
38:42
Speaker 11: it's time that he stepped up and governed for all
38:44
Speaker 11: Australians and protected all Australians from terrorist threats here in
38:47
Speaker 11: this country. It is a disaster that on his watch
38:50
Speaker 11: the terrorism threat has been lifted from possible to probable,
38:54
Speaker 11: and in such circumstances that he's taking such a lackadaisical
38:57
Speaker 11: attitude to our national security in not clearly preventing people
39:02
Speaker 11: who are sympathizers for Hamas coming to this country and
39:05
Speaker 11: being given the greatest thing that we can offer people,
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Speaker 11: a ticket, a visa, a chance for a new life.
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Speaker 2: Just very quickly. Do you think there is a contradiction
39:14
Speaker 2: in government policy from Australian laws Hermas prescribed terror organization.
39:20
Speaker 2: It is against the law to support Hamas. You can
39:23
Speaker 2: be prosecuted for being a member of HAMAS in Australia.
39:26
Speaker 2: Yet the current government policy as articulated by Mike Bogess,
39:30
Speaker 2: is that sympathizers can come to Australia. So is this
39:34
Speaker 2: a bit of a legal contradiction here where potentially the
39:36
Speaker 2: policy might be against the law.
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Speaker 11: Well, you're right to point that out, and that's the
39:40
Speaker 11: reason why we write the letter to Tanney Burke this week,
39:43
Speaker 11: because we said to him we want you to direct
39:46
Speaker 11: your agencies to ensure that the policy is clear, that
39:49
Speaker 11: the policy is that if you are a supporter of HAMAS,
39:52
Speaker 11: a list of terrorist organization in this country, or any
39:55
Speaker 11: other listed terrorist organization, you don't get a visa. And
39:58
Speaker 11: if you hear supporting terrorist organizzations and you're on a visa,
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Speaker 11: that visa should be canceled.
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Speaker 2: Julian Lisa, thank you very much for all your strong
40:05
Speaker 2: work for organizing that petition which then obviously led to
40:09
Speaker 2: Peter dut and making those remarks. So thank you very
40:11
Speaker 2: much for your time as well. Thanks Sherry. Now still
40:14
Speaker 2: to come. The Olympic boxer accused of being a man
40:17
Speaker 2: files a bullying complaint against JK. Rowling. And Elon Musk.
40:21
Speaker 2: Tom Slater would join me to discuss after this break well,
40:28
Speaker 2: controversial Olympic champion boxer Immain Califf has filed a cyber
40:33
Speaker 2: bullying complaint with Paris prosecutors after that explosive gender row
40:39
Speaker 2: named in the lawsuit none other than JK Rowling and
40:42
Speaker 2: Elon Musk over their tweets on the matter. Let's bring
40:46
Speaker 2: in now the UK Spiked online editor Tom Slater, Tom
40:49
Speaker 2: good to see you again. Look, Immain's lawyer says she
40:53
Speaker 2: was she if you can say she, I don't know,
40:56
Speaker 2: was targeted by a misogynist, racist and sexist and pain.
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Speaker 2: What do you think about these claims?
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Speaker 7: I think this case is a bit of a sick joke, frankly.
41:07
Speaker 7: I mean, given the fact that the reason there's been
41:09
Speaker 7: so much controversy is because whatever the specific details, what
41:13
Speaker 7: are mainly Khaliff is accused of is being a beneficiary
41:16
Speaker 7: of male puberty people suspect having a developmental sexual disordered
41:20
Speaker 7: or not, and like CASTERI Semnia and therefore it being
41:24
Speaker 7: wildly unfair, not to mention dangerous for Mini Clive to
41:27
Speaker 7: be competing against women who, shall we say, haven't experienced
41:30
Speaker 7: that privilege, but now there to be these accusations of
41:33
Speaker 7: bullying towards people who just pointed this out said it
41:36
Speaker 7: was terribly unfair. As I said, I think it's a
41:38
Speaker 7: bit of a sick joke. Frankly, if we're going to
41:40
Speaker 7: talk about anyone being bullied in this situation, it's the
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Speaker 7: various female athletes, not just in the boxing category, but
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Speaker 7: many more who have found themselves not only pushed out
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Speaker 7: of their own sports by people whether they're transgender or
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Speaker 7: other advantages, shall we say, and then not only that,
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Speaker 7: not really being allowed to complain about it, being accused
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Speaker 7: of being transphobic and romans for doing so. Those are
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Speaker 7: the people should we should be focusing on, not this
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Speaker 7: particular now Olympic champion who is thrying a hissy fit
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Speaker 7: over people rightly criticizing what we all saw at the
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Speaker 7: Olympics there.
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Speaker 2: Well, what do you think about the lawsuit though? Do
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Speaker 2: you think this complaint to the Paris prosecutor could actually
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Speaker 2: have any impact as Elon Musk or JK Rowling need
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Speaker 2: to worry about protecting their millions.
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Speaker 7: I think it's a stunt more than anything else. Dare
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Speaker 7: I say to be so cynical? I mean, the idea
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Speaker 7: that Elon Musk or JK Rowling are going to be
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Speaker 7: extradited from their respective countries in order to stand trial
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Speaker 7: for their alleged role in cyberbullying this individual, I think
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Speaker 7: is for the birds. But you know, it keeps the
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Speaker 7: story in the headlines, It keeps this victimhood narrative going,
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Speaker 7: and I dare say it's more about that than it
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Speaker 7: is about anyone having their day in court.
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Speaker 5: Here.
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Speaker 2: Look, an eleven year old girl has been stabbed in
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Speaker 2: a daylight attack in London. This is an Australian girl.
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Speaker 2: Now confirmation that she is Australian. She suffered serious but
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Speaker 2: thankfully not life threatening injuries. Tom, what do we know
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Speaker 2: about what happened here in the alleged attacker?
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Speaker 7: This is absolutely horrifying. I mean, the suspect who has
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Speaker 7: been arrested is awaiting trial. All we know is that
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Speaker 7: he's Romanian national, he was of no fixed address, and
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Speaker 7: the attack seems entirely random. I mean, got this poor
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Speaker 7: girl and a headlock stabbed her to a neck. Injuries
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Speaker 7: to her neck and a face and her shoulder eight
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Speaker 7: times eight injuries inflicted upon her, and I think it's
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Speaker 7: a horrifying indication of where law and order in this
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Speaker 7: country is going. Obviously, whenever you see mindless violence like this,
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Speaker 7: it's horrendous, But when it's something which is inflicted on
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Speaker 7: someone who is visiting the capital, as this young girl was,
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Speaker 7: I mean, it really has that extra level of shame
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Speaker 7: for how the police and the authorities have let things
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Speaker 7: get to this.
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Speaker 2: Thing and people get more and more angry. Yet you've
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Speaker 2: got this free speech censorship coming through at the moment
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Speaker 2: in the UK. Do you think this is a trend
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Speaker 2: that we all need to be worried about, including us
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Speaker 2: in Australia.
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Speaker 7: I'm always struck by how so many Western countries are
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Speaker 7: all sliding down this road to censorship at the moment.
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Speaker 7: I mean across the piece, particularly governments that think of
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Speaker 7: themselves of centrist or progressive or even liberal, are embracing
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Speaker 7: the most authoritarian ideas imaginable. And to those who might
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Speaker 7: not have been paying attention to the minutira, I mean,
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Speaker 7: we now have a government which is talking about reviving
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Speaker 7: a law, a provision within a piece of law to
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Speaker 7: make social media companies clamp down on speech. Legal but harmful.
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Speaker 2: It's just it's completely absurd Tom say thank you so
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Speaker 2: much for joining us. Great to have you on again,
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Speaker 2: and thank you very much for your company this week.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you Monday at eight. And right now, here's
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Speaker 2: Paul Mary