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Mark interviews political strategist Ed Rollins. · The Mark Simone Show

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  Speaker 1: Wow, you're listening to the Mark Simone show on the
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  Speaker 1: seven wo R. Well, let's third of the Dean himself,
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  Speaker 1: the greatest political consultant the Hall, Ed Rollins. He's run
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  Speaker 1: more campaigns successful campaigns than anybody. Ed Rollins, How you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Good morning? Mark?
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  Speaker 1: Are you I'm good?
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  Speaker 2: Hey?
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  Speaker 1: You probably get this all the time. People say what's
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  Speaker 1: going to happen in the midterm? So who's going to
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  Speaker 1: win the midterm? Predicting that is like predicting the twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty eighth Super Bowl. I mean, the landscape is going
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  Speaker 1: to change between now and then, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to change dramatically. I mean, I think here's
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  Speaker 2: what does happen though. I can sort of go to
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  Speaker 2: a fifty years street members go home and holidays and
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  Speaker 2: their family gets all together, and they basically they do
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  Speaker 2: I really want to do this for another two years
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  Speaker 2: or four years to any of them ambitious or either
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  Speaker 2: senators do I want to do? You want to run
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  Speaker 2: for another re election? So oftentimes in January there's a
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  Speaker 2: number that's say, thank you very much, I've had enough
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  Speaker 2: of this, so I'm going to run for something else.
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  Speaker 2: As of right now, they're fifty three members who announced
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  Speaker 2: that they're not going to run for re election, forty
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  Speaker 2: three zeros or House members to the other tenor US senators.
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  Speaker 2: And I think to a certain extent that the recruitment
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  Speaker 2: is going to go on now is because Democrats do
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  Speaker 2: think they're going to win this House so easily and
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  Speaker 2: there's a possibility and they're going to win the Senate.
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  Speaker 2: They're out there recruiting anxiously. What we're trying to do
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  Speaker 2: is that the president's team has to do is to
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  Speaker 2: sort of make sure that the vulnerable incomes are getting
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  Speaker 2: ready to run for reelection. It's the year long process.
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  Speaker 2: Seems like year is a long time, but it's not
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  Speaker 2: in politics. So they leave Christmas, you'll probably see in
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  Speaker 2: January and other ten or fifteen members thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: I've had a nice career, and they start looking our
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  Speaker 2: retirement and then you fill on the blanks and begin
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  Speaker 2: in February to start running and running hard. The president's
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  Speaker 2: agenda ahead of him is an aggressive one and it's
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  Speaker 2: a tough one getting the budgets through and what have you,
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  Speaker 2: and are so small that he has both the House
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  Speaker 2: and the Senate, but his task and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so when you say, some people may leave Congress.
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  Speaker 1: I don't need this anymore. Let me leave. What did
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  Speaker 1: they do that They can make a lot of money, right,
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  Speaker 1: lobbying or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: So some can some very very few members go back home.
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  Speaker 2: They all promise they're going to go back home. Some
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  Speaker 2: you know, people say, well, you know when they when
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  Speaker 2: you decide to quit, come work for me. Uh, and
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  Speaker 2: some just you know, decide this is not what it's
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  Speaker 2: not what I want to spend my time. This sort
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  Speaker 2: of been a very frustrating year. If you were bubbled
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  Speaker 2: them to be in the Congress and you get the
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  Speaker 2: big bill best which obviously normally you have lots of
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  Speaker 2: builds that you passed, but they combined it all on
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  Speaker 2: one thing, so there's not a lot of activity, and
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  Speaker 2: and uh, you know, they want to They went home
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  Speaker 2: for a period of time. They getting beat up for
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  Speaker 2: that a certain extent. So so I would say when
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  Speaker 2: I was the chairman of the Congression Committee co chairman,
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  Speaker 2: people said say why don't you run for Congress? I say,
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  Speaker 2: thank you very much. I might be behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want to spend my day
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  Speaker 2: arguing with four unor thirty five other people every day,
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  Speaker 2: and I think to a certain extent, that's where a
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  Speaker 2: lot of members may be. Once that numbers changed and
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  Speaker 2: altered in the sense we know how many running, then
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  Speaker 2: the race is going to begin.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, ed Rellands, if the healthcare if they don't fix
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  Speaker 1: this healthcare situation, put a patch on it or something,
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  Speaker 1: healthcare costs are going to go nuts. It's the fault
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  Speaker 1: of Obama and Obamacare. But isn't Aren't there Republicans going
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  Speaker 1: to get blamed for it?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, absolutely, there's no question Republicans is going to
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  Speaker 2: We've not had a consistent healthcare plan in twenty years.
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  Speaker 2: We used to have some real experts on it when
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  Speaker 2: Bob Dole was the leader because of his only personal
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  Speaker 2: healthcare problems over the years, he knew a lot about healthcare.
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  Speaker 2: He had a chief of staff, Sheila Burke, who was
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  Speaker 2: a nurse, to do a lot about healthcare. We don't
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of experts now. And you know our
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  Speaker 2: premise of you know, let's have savings accounts and what
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  Speaker 2: have you. If I gave you a two thousand dollars
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  Speaker 2: savings account, which is with a new Ginger plan, is uh,
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  Speaker 2: you'll go from that real quick. First time you get
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  Speaker 2: to a doctor, h and if there's anything that happens
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  Speaker 2: to you, you know, the cost or astronomical. So not
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  Speaker 2: only will twenty two million people be affected by this,
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  Speaker 2: the reality is their costs will go up dramatically. Those
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  Speaker 2: who can afford a lot of America's going to say
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  Speaker 2: I can't afford it. I'm just not gonna and that
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  Speaker 2: creates a real chaos. The best cursed Republicans can do
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  Speaker 2: is stand this thing for year, Uh, subsidies. Democrats aren't
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  Speaker 2: going to do that because obviously they want they want
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  Speaker 2: to get to the next election with the rise and
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  Speaker 2: prices and what have you. So I think, to a
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  Speaker 2: certain extent, we've got we've got a couple of months
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  Speaker 2: here real chaos with those those here solutions, I would
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  Speaker 2: say this point in time, we're not We're not gonna
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  Speaker 2: the healthcare is not gonna get fisted a short period
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  Speaker 2: of time.
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  Speaker 1: Well I'm not an expert, but uh, just common sense,
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  Speaker 1: I would think if you let the government take over healthcare,
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  Speaker 1: the cost is going to go way up. It wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: that be true?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely well, to a certain extent, the government does pay
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  Speaker 2: them the past. If you are to health care today,
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  Speaker 2: and it's you know, I don't think that Kennedy is
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  Speaker 2: ready to do that. Start care of pills to the
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  Speaker 2: unis versus President. I don't think it's hider to do that.
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  Speaker 2: I think the President's got a lot of misplay, I
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  Speaker 2: think to a certain extent. But most Americans are going
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  Speaker 2: to suffer measurably about this because even if you have
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  Speaker 2: health insurance today been a private company, because of the
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  Speaker 2: burden of im twenty two million people from the Obamacare program,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to find their or creature going to walk.
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  Speaker 2: Healthcare rates are not going down. They haven't gone down
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  Speaker 2: a long long time. And it's an expensive entity and
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  Speaker 2: there's a a lot of people that are experts on
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  Speaker 2: it who are not very happy with what we have.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ed Robins, if you want to run in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight, Gavin Newsom or whoever, if you want to
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  Speaker 1: run in twenty twenty eight, what should you be doing now?
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  Speaker 1: Is there anything you can really do now for that?
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  Speaker 2: Sure, you can raise money, the line up your support
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  Speaker 2: reason lane of your team. I mean there's four or
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  Speaker 2: five of them that are running right now. And what
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  Speaker 2: you try and do is you tap into easy advantage
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  Speaker 2: of the interm elections to go out and made friends
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  Speaker 2: around the country in key states. Uh. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: think Cavenuwson is going to do is just continue to
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  Speaker 2: beat up on Trump and fight with Trump, and that
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  Speaker 2: seems to be working for him. He is a mess
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  Speaker 2: of the state in California. No one's talking about the
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  Speaker 2: mess in California. Nobody's talking about what a great job
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  Speaker 2: he's doing. Beat that by the President. They say the
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  Speaker 2: same thing in Illinois. So my sense is those who
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  Speaker 2: are gonna run, it's gonna be four or five at
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  Speaker 2: least some new governors that may will have some political
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  Speaker 2: ambition beyond where they are. It's gonna be a full field.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. In the old days that Reagan came from
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  Speaker 1: California and one but nowadays it's been a one party
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  Speaker 1: state for so long. Guys like Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris,
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  Speaker 1: they've never been tested in two party states. So aren't
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  Speaker 1: isn't anybody from California gonna have a problem trying to
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  Speaker 1: run nationally?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you move out, you move out of like California.
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  Speaker 2: Why you haven't had any competitions in California is they
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  Speaker 2: basically created a system instead of a Republican or a
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  Speaker 2: Democrat winning the nominations and running against each other, the
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  Speaker 2: top two get nominated, so it could be two Democrats
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  Speaker 2: running against each other and two Republicans. It's ever happened
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  Speaker 2: that way. But the reality is as kinds the one
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  Speaker 2: party system. So the reality is, I mean, he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: want to talk about California. He wants to talk about
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  Speaker 2: nationally what what Trump has not done as opposed to
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  Speaker 2: what he has done. And he's you know, he's I
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  Speaker 2: don't get it, but he's a charismatic figure. He's got
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  Speaker 2: a fifty four to fifty five percent approwal rating in California,
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  Speaker 2: which is pretty mess and which California has not been
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  Speaker 2: in play since, you know, since Bush and the eighty eight.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's a it's a hard state for us
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  Speaker 2: to win, and I think to a herd extent, it
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  Speaker 2: needs to be an easy state.
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  Speaker 1: Force well, and Rollin's brilliant as always, Keep up the
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  Speaker 1: great work and we'll talk again soon.
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  Speaker 2: Had a wonderful holiday and a happy honka to all yours.
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