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- 0:00Yo, welcome back to Clone Wars: The Spinoff.
- 0:06I'm Dandy Market, and today we're getting into something that actually changes how a
- 0:11young artist can come up without signing their whole life away.
- 0:15DJ Universe in the building.
- 0:17We talking about 10K Projects linking up with this new label Runway Records,
- 0:21run by Ben Bijur over at Atlantic.
- 0:24First artist out the gate already doing eight hundred thousand streams a day off one
- 0:28song.
- 0:30Calvin Blingwell here, and that number got my attention quick.
- 0:34Eight hundred K a day, three months in, top of the Spotify Viral chart.
- 0:39That's the kind of buzz that usually gets an artist a real bad contract pushed in
- 0:43front of them fast.
- 0:46And that's exactly why we doing this episode.
- 0:48I'm Dangerous Zygos.
- 0:49This ain't a regular signing, it's a joint venture.
- 0:52Different math, different paperwork, different outcome for the artist if it's
- 0:56structured right.
- 0:58Let's get the definitions straight first.
- 1:00A straight record deal, the label owns the masters, fronts the advance,
- 1:04recoups it from your royalties, and you get a royalty rate after they're made whole.
- 1:09A joint venture is different -- the artist and the label form an actual shared
- 1:13entity, splitting ownership, splitting profit, and ideally splitting control over
- 1:19decisions.
- 1:21See that's the part the young ones skip past.
- 1:24Ownership ain't a feeling, it's a percentage on a piece of paper.
- 1:29Back in my day we signed deals where you didn't own a single master you recorded.
- 1:34A JV at least puts your name on the asset, not just your voice on the record.
- 1:40From the sound and branding side, a JV usually means the artist keeps more creative
- 1:45control too.
- 1:46Runway sounds like it's built as a developmental hub -- early identification,
- 1:51internet-native growth.
- 1:53That tells me they're not trying to flatten the artist's sound into a label formula,
- 1:58they're investing in what's already working.
- 2:01Real talk, that matters when you're the one on the road.
- 2:03If a label owns everything and just wants a hit, they'll push you to chase trends.
- 2:08If you got equity in the joint venture, your brand and your merch and your touring
- 2:13identity stay yours, and that's what fans actually buy into.
- 2:18Right, and that equity piece is the generational wealth piece.
- 2:21A royalty check ends when the song stops earning the way the deal says it earns.
- 2:26An ownership stake in a venture can pay you on the company's value,
- 2:30not just on stream counts.
- 2:32That's the difference between income and an asset.
- 2:35But don't get it twisted -- a JV ain't automatically a good deal just 'cause it's
- 2:40called a joint venture.
- 2:42You still gotta read the operating agreement.
- 2:45What percentage is the split, who controls the bank account,
- 2:49how long is the term, what happens to your catalog if you wanna leave.
- 2:54Facts.
- 2:55I've seen JVs where the label calls it a partnership but still holds majority
- 2:59control and decision-making power.
- 3:01Naming it different don't mean the artist actually got leverage.
- 3:04You gotta look at the voting rights, not just the title of the deal.
- 3:09And for an artist building off viral streams like that first Runway signing,
- 3:14the leverage is right now, while the numbers are hot.
- 3:18Lawyers, a real manager, and somebody who understands publishing splits before you
- 3:24sign anything -- that's non-negotiable at that stage.
- 3:29This is also a publishing conversation, not just masters.
- 3:32Make sure your publishing administration and your songwriting splits are spelled out
- 3:35separate from the recording side.
- 3:37Too many artists sign the master deal, forget the publishing,
- 3:41and lose half the actual long-term money.
- 3:44Let's bring it back to knowledge of self for a minute.
- 3:47Supreme Mathematics teaches Equality as the fourth degree -- balance,
- 3:51fairness, everybody getting their rightful portion.
- 3:55A real joint venture is supposed to be Equality applied to a business contract.
- 4:01That's deep, because Equality ain't just splitting a check fifty-fifty.
- 4:05It's making sure both sides bring something real to the table and both sides got a
- 4:10real voice.
- 4:11Culture and branding from the artist, infrastructure and reach from the label --
- 4:16that's a true exchange, not charity.
- 4:21And on the ground, Equality looks like an artist who can still go tour,
- 4:25sell merch, and build direct with the fans without the label taking a cut of every
- 4:31single revenue stream.
- 4:32If the venture respects that lane, the artist eats too, not just the company.
- 4:38So the takeaway for anybody listening with a deal on the table -- don't get blinded
- 4:42by the buzz or the streaming numbers.
- 4:43Read the structure, understand the equity, protect the publishing,
- 4:47and make sure Equality is real in the paperwork, not just in the press release.
- 4:52Know yourself, know your worth, and know your math before you sign anything.
- 4:56That's the discipline.
- 4:57We'll keep tracking how this Runway situation plays out for the artists coming up
- 5:02under it.
- 5:03Appreciate y'all rocking with us.
- 5:05This been Clone Wars: The Spinoff.