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Built From The Inside Out with Amy Lenius | Ship's Log #47 · Project Candor: Ordinary People. Unexpected Stories

• 0:03
  Amy Lenius: So the victim has low self-worth, low self-belief, and they don't believe that their options or their opinions matter, or that they have the capability to get themselves out of a situation because they themselves are the problem.
• 0:16
  Amy Lenius: It's the victim mentality.
• 0:18
  Amy Lenius: The villain archetype, that's inflated self-worth almost, but low self-belief.
• 0:24
  Amy Lenius: They don't believe they can take the action to get themselves out, so they blame others and the world
• 0:31
  Jeanne Andersen: Welcome to Project Candor, the podcast where ordinary people share unexpected stories.
• 0:36
  Jeanne Andersen: I'm your host, Jeanne Andersen, the Admiral of the Unexpected, and today we are setting sail on a conversation that I think is going to resonate with a lot of people out there.
• 0:47
  Jeanne Andersen: My guest today spent years learning how to help others grow, but first she had to rebuild herself from the ground up.
• 0:55
  Jeanne Andersen: She's a personal development and success coach, a speaker, and the director of group coaching at Next Level University.
• 1:03
  Jeanne Andersen: Her work is rooted in self-worth, self-belief, and consistency because she's lived what she teaches.
• 1:10
  Jeanne Andersen: Please welcome Amy Lenius to the show.
• 1:13
  Amy Lenius: Oh, thank you so much for having me.
• 1:14
  Amy Lenius: I'm excited to be here.
• 1:16
  Jeanne Andersen: Oh, that's wonderful.
• 1:17
  Jeanne Andersen: So the way we do things is we sort of start asking questions, and then at the end of the show, we transition to two truths and a lie.
• 1:27
  Jeanne Andersen: So are you ready for us to start with the questions?
• 1:29
  Amy Lenius: Yeah, definitely.
• 1:30
  Amy Lenius: I'm excited.
• 1:31
  Jeanne Andersen: Okay, great.
• 1:32
  Jeanne Andersen: So before the coaching, before the stages and the podcast, there was a version of you that was dealing with something really hard.
• 1:42
  Jeanne Andersen: Can you take us back to that time and tell us what was actually going on?
• 1:46
  Amy Lenius: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:48
  Amy Lenius: So I grew up with a chronic illness, actually.
• 1:51
  Amy Lenius: In my early adolescence, I got really, really sick as I went through puberty and things.
• 1:56
  Amy Lenius: And I, through a long process of trial and error and different doctors and things, got a diagnosis in my late teens of something called endometriosis.
• 2:08
  Amy Lenius: And so it's a very female-driven condition, very hormone imbalance condition, and it, uh, has a lot of chronic pain, lots of inflammation.
• 2:17
  Amy Lenius: It can affect different parts of the body.
• 2:19
  Amy Lenius: And so I was dealing with that from a very, very young age, and it persisted into my 20s until I started making some changes and taking some different actions and eventually getting to a place where I have become happy and healthy.
• 2:34
  Amy Lenius: Oh, that's a wonderful synopsis but not a great story to have to struggle with 'cause I'm gonna add this.
• 2:41
  Jeanne Andersen: I have endometriosis.
• 2:44
  Jeanne Andersen: Hmm.
• 2:44
  Jeanne Andersen: I had it, and I think it started when I was maybe 14, 15.
• 2:50
  Jeanne Andersen: Yep.
• 2:50
  Jeanne Andersen: But nobody knew what it was.
• 2:52
  Jeanne Andersen: Yeah.
• 2:53
  Jeanne Andersen: That was the crazy thing.
• 2:55
  Jeanne Andersen: And do you remember days when you just couldn't go to school, or you couldn't eat or keep food down?
• 3:02
  Amy Lenius: Yeah.
• 3:03
  Jeanne Andersen: 'Cause that was my story.
• 3:05
  Amy Lenius: Yeah.
• 3:05
  Amy Lenius: So a lot of women, it can affect, like you said, your stomach, and the pain can be so bad that you get nauseous and things.
• 3:12
  Amy Lenius: For me, it affected even the nerves in my legs.
• 3:15
  Amy Lenius: So my legs would… Like, there would be this sharp, debilitating pain, and my legs would just collapse out from under me.
• 3:21
  Amy Lenius: And so, like you, even when I got my diagnosis- late teens, it was still something that they weren't really sure of.
• 3:30
  Amy Lenius: It took a really long time to get a diagnosis, whereas now I think women have a quicker path to diagnosis because they're more aware of what it is.
• 3:40
  Amy Lenius: I mean, anything like endometriosis, PCOS, infertility, and things, I think the average is one in six women now deal with something like that.
• 3:48
  Amy Lenius: So doctors, I think, are a little more aware, although I do still think it takes too long for women to get these diagnoses.
• 3:54
  Amy Lenius: But back when you would've had something like that, and even myself, there was no information and things like there is now, and so we just had no idea.
• 4:03
  Amy Lenius: It's not like I could even go on Instagram and see, you know, what all these other women and young girls were going through- Exactly … and things.
• 4:09
  Amy Lenius: There was nothing like that when I was growing up, and I know it would be the same for you.
• 4:15
  Amy Lenius: And so it was just a very different time of going to doctors and being like, "Okay, here's what I'm noticing.
• 4:21
  Amy Lenius: I'm in a lot of pain, and my cycles are really, really bad." And I got met with a lot of, "Oh, well, welcome to becoming a woman.
• 4:29
  Amy Lenius: This is normal.
• 4:30
  Amy Lenius: This is just something that your body goes through.
• 4:33
  Amy Lenius: As a young woman, you have to deal with this." And it was like, "Oh my goodness, okay." And so I went, and I tried really hard to deal with what was going on, but I just kept noticing that it was so much different and so much more severe than the other young girls around me.
• 4:48
  Amy Lenius: And so I did, I kept going back.
• 4:49
  Amy Lenius: I kept pushing, and it took a few years, but I did end up going in for an exploratory surgery, which is how they diagnose it, and I got the diagnosis of endometriosis.
• 4:58
  Amy Lenius: And then from there it was actually,"Oh, this is actually your life now.
• 5:03
  Amy Lenius: There is no cure for this.
• 5:04
  Amy Lenius: There's nothing we can do.
• 5:05
  Amy Lenius: You're probably not gonna be able to have children.
• 5:07
  Amy Lenius: The best thing we can offer you are all these different pain medications, hormone therapies, and eventually we're gonna talk you into getting a hysterectomy." And it was like, "Okay And I sat with that for a few years.
• 5:17
  Amy Lenius: I went through the process of everything they told me I needed to do, and all the different medications and interventions, and a few surgeries where they go in and cauterize all the extra tissue that it grows.
• 5:28
  Amy Lenius: And that's, that's what endometriosis is.
• 5:30
  Amy Lenius: It's tissue that grows outside of where it's supposed to grow.
• 5:33
  Amy Lenius: So it's your endometrial tissue spreading where it's not supposed to.
• 5:36
  Amy Lenius: It's like a non-cancerous cancer that causes a lot of inflammation and a lot of different other symptoms in the body.
• 5:43
  Amy Lenius: And so I went for years and years of all the different birth controls, hormone therapies, pain medications, intervention surgery where they go in and cauterize it all out.
• 5:52
  Amy Lenius: But in my early 20s, I was in school for anatomy and physiology myself, and I was learning a lot and also still in so much pain, so much discomfort.
• 6:02
  Amy Lenius: Nothing seemed to be really working, and then I was getting all these different side effects from all the different drugs I had been on for so many years that I kind of just rebelled.
• 6:10
  Amy Lenius: I decided to go off of everything they had given me and start from scratch, get to know my body again outside of all these different medications, discern what was working, what wasn't, and just started playing around with different modalities of health, different types of, of physical therapies and things.
• 6:27
  Amy Lenius: And I started seeing different kinds of results as I gave my body that time of, of clarity, and it was a, a really interesting time of transition.
• 6:38
  Amy Lenius: I was already having the pain anyways, so I can know I can deal with the pain that I normally have.
• 6:44
  Amy Lenius: It was more initially a curiosity of what would my life be like not on any of these drugs, seeing as they're not working anyways.
• 6:51
  Amy Lenius: And then it just kinda grew from there as I followed my curiosity.
• 6:54
  Jeanne Andersen: Wow, that sounds like the story of my life.
• 6:56
  Jeanne Andersen: I mean, I didn't even realize every detail of what you've gone through, but I can tell you as you're speaking, uh, this happened to me.
• 7:04
  Jeanne Andersen: And if people are listening and say, "Oh, that's just a female thing," I, I'm gonna tell you, this is a powerful disease.
• 7:12
  Jeanne Andersen: It is powerful.
• 7:13
  Jeanne Andersen: Uh, did you have your f- at first what they call a laparoscopy?
• 7:16
  Amy Lenius: Yeah, so the laparoscopic surgery is… A laparoscopic surgery is they just don't fully open you up, so they make a bunch of small incisions, and they go in with all their little tools, and that's what a laparoscopic surgery is, and they go in, and they cauterize it all out.
• 7:30
  Amy Lenius: And it's a temporary solution that they hope gives you some relief, but it sh- it always grows back because you're not getting to the root cause of anything.
• 7:37
  Amy Lenius: You're just going in and clearing out what's there.
• 7:39
  Jeanne Andersen: Right.
• 7:40
  Jeanne Andersen: I was in the military when I had my first laparoscopy.
• 7:43
  Jeanne Andersen: Um, I woke up with a purple belly, and it was because I had been so physically training so much that it was muscular, and they couldn't pull it up.
• 7:53
  Jeanne Andersen: Not muscular anymore, but they couldn't pull it up, so they grabbed my belly to get the scope in there, and then, yeah.
• 7:59
  Jeanne Andersen: But they didn't cauterize it then.
• 8:00
  Jeanne Andersen: They just looked.
• 8:01
  Jeanne Andersen: No.
• 8:02
  Jeanne Andersen: And said, "Oh, got that."
• 8:03
  Amy Lenius: Yeah, initially they just go in and explore.
• 8:06
  Jeanne Andersen: Right.
• 8:06
  Jeanne Andersen: Right.
• 8:07
  Jeanne Andersen: So sad.
• 8:07
  Jeanne Andersen: So I'm sorry you had to go all through that, but that's the r- resilience of you.
• 8:13
  Jeanne Andersen: Thank you.
• 8:13
  Jeanne Andersen: You're now ahead of that game.
• 8:15
  Amy Lenius: Yeah, I think, you know, when you look back, hindsight's always 20/20, but people who have what's called high self-efficacy, high self-belief, are typically people that had to find their way through something.
• 8:28
  Amy Lenius: And so I have even my coaches and things, they ask me, "Well, was your childhood really hard?
• 8:33
  Amy Lenius: Like, what's going on?" I'm like,"No, my, my childhood was lovely.
• 8:36
  Amy Lenius: Wonderful parents.
• 8:37
  Amy Lenius: They're still a huge part of our life." Like I, I don't have that, you know, that kind of trauma, but all of my resiliency and all of the things that I do bring to the table now as far as my self-awareness, my personal development levels and things, and just the way my core wounds run me and stuff, it all, it does come from growing up with chronic illness, not being seen, not being heard, not being understood, and then having to fight for it on my own and realizing that no one was gonna help me do that.
• 9:03
  Amy Lenius: And so stepping into, okay, well, I'm gonna take this into my own hands.
• 9:08
  Amy Lenius: I'm gonna stop being a victim of my situation and start taking a more empowered stance and just trying other things and partnering with other healthcare providers.
• 9:16
  Amy Lenius: And I say partnering because they're only there to help you help yourself.
• 9:20
  Amy Lenius: You have to be able to do the things that they say and, and the things that feel right and discern which ones don't, and not take anyone's word just blindly because they have, you know, a few letters behind their names or a fancy degree on the wall, and they act like they know your body better than you do, and they might in anatomical terms and things, but at the end of the day, you know your body best.
• 9:40
  Amy Lenius: You know what feels good and healthy and right, and what feels normal and what doesn't.
• 9:43
  Amy Lenius: And so that journey taught me all of that, and it gave me a really empowered, self-assured stance that took me years and years and years to build, for sure.
• 9:53
  Amy Lenius: And it took a lot of, you know, doctors almost killing me and going through crazy procedures and all of these different things to stand in, "Oh, no, I know my body best.
• 10:02
  Amy Lenius: I know when something is wrong, and I'm going to fight for what that is." That is always my first and biggest message when we're talking about this topic, is that you do know your body best.
• 10:12
  Amy Lenius: Even if you can't describe it in the fancy terms, even if you can't even fully articulate what it is that's going on, you do know when you feel normal and good and when you don't And to have someone try and gaslight you into telling you, "Oh, that's not what you're feeling," or, "Oh, that's nothing, just go home," or, you know, insert whatever thing that is that they say here.
• 10:32
  Amy Lenius: I've heard so many horror stories from women, that it is important for you to fight and to keep going, or find someone else who will partner with you in your health journey, because there's so many different kinds of practitioners out there, so many different modalities of health and wellness, that you don't need to be stuck with the one person who said,"Nope, there's nothing wrong with you.
• 10:52
  Amy Lenius: It's all in your head," or, "Oh, this is just a part of being a woman," or, "Oh, suck it up and deal with it." Or, you know, it's this hysteria that we tell women that they like to experience, here's some anti-psychotics or mental health medication.
• 11:06
  Amy Lenius: And so it is very, very important for you to fight for your own autonomy in these kinds of situations.
• 11:13
  Jeanne Andersen: Well, you and I both know that some of those relaxants and medications make it worse.
• 11:19
  Amy Lenius: Yeah, they can.
• 11:20
  Jeanne Andersen: Yeah, 'cause it slows down your system so much, and that's where it allows these things to keep growing.
• 11:26
  Jeanne Andersen: But you're very smart, because I grew up late '70s, so I didn't Google, and I didn't know where to go, and I was not smart enough to do what you did and then just take control of myself.
• 11:38
  Jeanne Andersen: I just kinda let other people tell me.
• 11:39
  Jeanne Andersen: That's the way it worked for me.
• 11:41
  Jeanne Andersen: But I'm j- really proud of you that you did that.
• 11:43
  Jeanne Andersen: That's great.
• 11:44
  Amy Lenius: Oh, thank you.
• 11:46
  Amy Lenius: Yeah, mine was, I mean, in the '90s and early 2000s.
• 11:50
  Amy Lenius: And again, there wasn't that automatic, well, I'm just gonna go look it up on, on the internet and, and things.
• 11:56
  Amy Lenius: So I'm very grateful to have found a really great naturopath that helped me out and, and other people who were on similar journeys, who were looking to, like, detox their environment, let's say.
• 12:10
  Amy Lenius: So I did a really good job with this naturopath healing my internal environment and, and having someone come in and tell me- That your body is just, it's this community.
• 12:20
  Amy Lenius: It's not separate pieces, and I myself was learning that in, in my own anatomy and physiology courses and things, and it's like, okay, no one has ever talked to me like I'm a whole being.
• 12:30
  Amy Lenius: It's just about my uterus that won't function properly and causes so many problems.
• 12:34
  Amy Lenius: They're not talking about my sleep, my stress, my liver function, my gut health, and how that all correlates in, or even how my hormones are all out of whack, and maybe we should support them in a certain way versus just drugging them all the time.
• 12:46
  Amy Lenius: And so going through the process of understanding internal harmony and understanding that internal environment, that gave me a lot of symptomatic relief.
• 12:55
  Amy Lenius: I was able to have two beautiful children after I was told that I couldn't, and then I fell into this external environment.
• 13:00
  Amy Lenius: Okay, well then, what is my now next layer of this?
• 13:04
  Amy Lenius: What is my external environment doing that is for my health or against my health?
• 13:09
  Amy Lenius: And so it was a lot of detoxing from endocrine disruptors.
• 13:13
  Amy Lenius: It was assessing persons, places, and things.
• 13:15
  Amy Lenius: It was… It's a lot that goes into your overall and holistic health, and people always wanna hear, "Well, what was the one thing, Aimee?
• 13:23
  Amy Lenius: What was the one thing that got you pain-free from this crazy disease?" It wasn't one.
• 13:28
  Amy Lenius: It was a bunch of unsexy fundamentals compounded over a long time, a decade even But it was worth it, and it is worth it to stay in it long enough to see the results, and I think people give up on things too soon nowadays.
• 13:43
  Jeanne Andersen: Yeah, that's a fantastic story.
• 13:45
  Jeanne Andersen: I love it.
• 13:46
  Jeanne Andersen: The next question I have for you is, basically, your coaching grew out of your story of rebuilding.
• 13:53
  Jeanne Andersen: So how did you get from, "I'm figuring this out for myself" to, "I need to help other people figure this out"?
• 14:01
  Amy Lenius: Hmm.
• 14:02
  Amy Lenius: When I was practicing and I had a, a massage therapy practice and things, I had a lot of female patients.
• 14:08
  Amy Lenius: I did a lot of pre and postnatal work, and I did a lot of pelvic balancing for women, and we would talk.
• 14:15
  Amy Lenius: So many people talk to you on the table when they're in these, these almost vulnerable positions.
• 14:20
  Amy Lenius: They're lying there.
• 14:21
  Amy Lenius: They've got no clothes on.
• 14:22
  Amy Lenius: You're elbow-deep into one of their back muscles- … and people tell you all these beautiful things and then the struggles that they have.
• 14:29
  Amy Lenius: And a lot of women, I had learned, did not have a fraction of the information that I had about their own bodies, about their own cycles.
• 14:37
  Amy Lenius: Whether they were dealing with problematic cycles or not, they had no idea that they were these cyclical beings, and that their hormones ebb and flow naturally, and how often they were constantly fighting against them rather than understanding that they have this natural cycle.
• 14:53
  Amy Lenius: So I started teaching them about it, because it is something that had helped me so much.
• 14:58
  Amy Lenius: And I started being able to speak into these rooms of women, especially in the natural wellness community, the, the communities that really preach detoxing your external environment and supporting your internal environment with plants, like essential oils, and really quality supplements and things.
• 15:15
  Amy Lenius: I got to speak into those rooms and then onto those stages, and you could see women just nodding, just being so connected to things that I was saying.
• 15:25
  Amy Lenius: It's like, "Oh, my gosh, you're speaking into my life and what I go through." I mean, I'm like, most women do.
• 15:31
  Amy Lenius: And I learned very quickly that just because that we all struggle cyclically in some way doesn't make it normal.
• 15:40
  Amy Lenius: It just makes it common.
• 15:42
  Amy Lenius: But we're constantly told as women that all of these struggles we have are normal.
• 15:46
  Amy Lenius: Well, they're not.
• 15:47
  Amy Lenius: They're an imbalance of our hormones, of our internal state, of our external stresses.
• 15:51
  Amy Lenius: There's so many things that go into that, when in reality it's just very common.
• 15:54
  Amy Lenius: It's not normal, nor is it okay.
• 15:57
  Amy Lenius: And so as I started speaking into these women's lives and seeing them learn about their cycles and things and begin to live differently based on this information, it just became such a huge passion of mine to start even public speaking, which is wild, because I don't think anyone starts out wanting to be a public speaker.
• 16:13
  Amy Lenius: Most people fear public speaking more than death.
• 16:16
  Amy Lenius: So it wasn't exactly my intention, but I do, I do love empowering people with information.
• 16:23
  Amy Lenius: I love educating.
• 16:25
  Amy Lenius: And so it just kind of became this natural progression, and I ended up, uh, having my own podcast for a little while.
• 16:31
  Amy Lenius: I ended up having a group coaching program for women called The Peaceful Period Project, and that's when I started working with the guys.
• 16:37
  Amy Lenius: I was a client.
• 16:38
  Amy Lenius: So I partner now with a company called Next Level University, built by Kevin and Alan, these two just hard-driven, very integrous men who are dedicated to personal development and, and helping people with their unique version of success, and podcasting now as well.
• 16:52
  Amy Lenius: We work with a lot of podcasters.
• 16:54
  Amy Lenius: But they were helping me with my podcast, with my business and things, and I fell in love with everything they were doing because they kept saying the word holistic self-improvement And now we don't use that language as much anymore 'cause no one knows what the heck we're talking about.
• 17:08
  Amy Lenius: But I knew what the word holistic meant because I fell in love with it on my healing journey.
• 17:12
  Amy Lenius: My keynote speech was called Holistic Healing For Your Hormones.
• 17:16
  Amy Lenius: Holistic meaning that everything affects everything else.
• 17:19
  Amy Lenius: We are not separate from the things around us or inside of us.
• 17:24
  Amy Lenius: It's not just one piece of us, it's all of it.
• 17:26
  Amy Lenius: It's not just physical, it's mental and emotional.
• 17:28
  Amy Lenius: It's not just your internal environment, it's your external environment.
• 17:31
  Amy Lenius: It's both.
• 17:31
  Amy Lenius: We're in this holistic state all the time, whether we want to admit it or not, and it is either in flow and in harmony and for working for us, or it's working against us, our goals, our health, our mental state.
• 17:43
  Amy Lenius: And so they were talking about it in a way of self-improvement and success, how it's not just about monetary success, how it's about your health, how it's about your quality of life and your love life, and how they all go together.
• 17:54
  Amy Lenius: And I was like, "Oh, I love everything you're saying." So I became their client, started doing all the things that they had to offer and, and they even, you know, did free book club and monthly masterclasses and all these incredible things.
• 18:04
  Amy Lenius: And one day I sent my keynote speech to Alan, and he gave me some feedback on it.
• 18:09
  Amy Lenius: I wanted some, I wanted some actual feedback from a fellow public speaker,'cause it's hard to get feedback from other people 'cause most people are just impressed that you're up there.
• 18:17
  Amy Lenius: So they give you all the good f- which is beautiful and I always appreciate that, but I wanted some, I wanted some real feedback.
• 18:23
  Amy Lenius: And he loved it, and he said, "You know what?
• 18:25
  Amy Lenius: You have been a part of this community for a while.
• 18:27
  Amy Lenius: You, you know, love what we do.
• 18:29
  Amy Lenius: We love what you do.
• 18:30
  Amy Lenius: Would you ever consider coming down and emceeing our live event for us, for our personal development event?" And I was like, "I don't know how to do that." "But absolutely, I wanna come hang out with you guys, see what we can make happen." And I just fell in love from there, and I, I saw that I could have a huge impact partnering with these guys' mission that was so aligned with my own.
• 18:51
  Amy Lenius: And I know it sounds so weird to jump from speaking on women's health and having a group coaching program for women, teaching them about their periods and their cycles, to partnering with these two very seemingly bodybuilder bros.
• 19:03
  Amy Lenius: However, they had a full community of heart-driven women They had attracted all of these women, just like they had attracted me, because they are doing something really special in the world, and I saw how I could expand within what they are doing.
• 19:19
  Amy Lenius: So I am what's called an intrapreneur in their entrepreneurial journey, and not once have I ever been anything less than celebrated and supported to bring all of my knowledge into what they are doing.
• 19:30
  Amy Lenius: But they have also expanded my knowledge into being able, able to help people on a more holistic standpoint.
• 19:37
  Amy Lenius: So now I'm a personal development and success coach, but there's always a through line when I'm working with my ladies of, "Hey, how are we doing here?
• 19:45
  Amy Lenius: Yes, last week you crushed your habits.
• 19:47
  Amy Lenius: This week you're feeling like you can't.
• 19:49
  Amy Lenius: That makes sense.
• 19:50
  Amy Lenius: Here's where you are . Here's where you're at with your hormones and your cycle.
• 19:53
  Amy Lenius: You're not set up for success mentally, physically, or emotionally to be crushing your habits right now." That's why we, we have different versions of our habits.
• 20:02
  Amy Lenius: I'd rather you give me 30% than zero, and I'd rather you give me 30% than 100%, pushing through and, and overstimulating and overworking yourself.
• 20:10
  Amy Lenius: So it's all come into now that knowledge is a piece of what I can offer, but I've grown and expanded my knowledge in the way I can help people.
• 20:19
  Amy Lenius: So it seems like this weird jump, but if anything, it has been one of the most expansive steps I've ever taken.
• 20:25
  Jeanne Andersen: I just love everything you're saying.
• 20:26
  Jeanne Andersen: I'm just enthralled by what you're telling me, and I'm thinking here, like, did you ever see a movie called, um, I think it's called Hot Tub Time Machine or something.
• 20:36
  Jeanne Andersen: I don't know.
• 20:37
  Jeanne Andersen: It's crazy how I just keep thinking,"Oh, man, I need to get now.
• 20:40
  Jeanne Andersen: I wish Amy was back in the '70s.
• 20:43
  Jeanne Andersen: I wanna know all this stuff back then.
• 20:45
  Jeanne Andersen: That would've been such a different life."
• 20:47
  Amy Lenius: I appreciate that so much, and I deeply… I think when we're in a state of becoming the person we needed back when we were younger, I think that's a really, really fulfilling and, and purposeful place to be because I feel the same.
• 21:02
  Amy Lenius: I wish someone like me had come in at that moment in my life and been like,"Hey, you actually maybe don't wanna go through all these extremes first. Let's just look at your lifestyle a little bit and see if we can support your hormones naturally before we put you on all these drugs that have you, you know, as a high-risk breast cancer patient for the rest of your life" kind of thing.
• 21:20
  Amy Lenius: So I deeply appreciate that, uh, that compliment and that feedback- … 'cause that is always my goal, to be who I needed back then and even more so.
• 21:29
  Jeanne Andersen: Well, you're gonna help a lot of people.
• 21:31
  Jeanne Andersen: I can just feel it, you know, 'cause it's like a overlooked issue with people.
• 21:36
  Jeanne Andersen: Maybe it's better now because I'm not dealing with it, but, um, yeah, I just think it's wonderful that you're there for support for people that are going through something like that.
• 21:45
  Jeanne Andersen: Even if it's not just endometriosis, if it, if it's something else, you've got the right skill set.
• 21:50
  Jeanne Andersen: You know what to do to help them.
• 21:51
  Amy Lenius: Thank you.
• 21:53
  Jeanne Andersen: So going on a little bit more, a lot of people know they need to grow, but they stop bef- when it gets really hard, and you've been on both sides of that.
• 22:03
  Jeanne Andersen: So as someone who's lived it and someone who coaches through it, what does that hard part actually feel like, and why do so many people turn back?
• 22:13
  Amy Lenius: Hmm, they turn back 'cause it's uncomfortable or it's uncertain.
• 22:17
  Amy Lenius: So as we said this a little bit earlier on in this episode, that people don't stick with something long enough.
• 22:21
  Amy Lenius: They're not willing to do the unsexy fundamentals for long enough to actually see the results.
• 22:27
  Amy Lenius: And I think nowadays it's worse than ever because we see instant gratification everywhere.
• 22:33
  Amy Lenius: We see people who seem like overnight sensations or overnight successes, when yet you actually dive into their history, they've been doing something or building towards this for the last two decades.
• 22:44
  Amy Lenius: It just wasn't sexy.
• 22:45
  Amy Lenius: It wasn't highlighted.
• 22:47
  Amy Lenius: And so I think a lot of people are honestly delusional with what it takes to be successful, and even in the ways that make sense to them.
• 22:56
  Amy Lenius: I'm not talking about successful in a way of, oh, I'm becoming a multimillionaire and things.
• 23:00
  Amy Lenius: That also takes time But in anything that makes sense for you, success and health, wealth, your relationships and things, it takes time, and it takes a willingness to do certain things every day over time.
• 23:14
  Amy Lenius: And a lot of people don't have that kind of grit or time grace anymore.
• 23:19
  Amy Lenius: And when we look at consistency, I think that's where people get the most delusional, is they either lack in grit or they lack in creating something that's sustainable, AKA small enough to do every day to compound and leverage the compound effect over time to actually see the results.
• 23:36
  Amy Lenius: And what happens is, on this journey at some point, it always gets uncomfortable or uncertain.
• 23:42
  Amy Lenius: So in the beginning, it feels exciting because you have momentum.
• 23:45
  Amy Lenius: You started this new thing.
• 23:46
  Amy Lenius: But what happens when the momentum goes down?
• 23:49
  Amy Lenius: Because it always will.
• 23:50
  Amy Lenius: Momentum is, is not a consistent feeling or emotion that people have all the time.
• 23:55
  Amy Lenius: It is something we build, and it's something that is leveraged through different chemicals and things in our brain, and it's leveraged through action.
• 24:01
  Amy Lenius: But that action, as it becomes a staple in your life, loses that sense of excitement.
• 24:07
  Amy Lenius: So you almost have to be willing to go through all the layers of what it takes to be consistent, which is some days it's gonna feel hard and crappy, and you're not gonna wanna do it.
• 24:17
  Amy Lenius: That's okay.
• 24:17
  Amy Lenius: That's normal.
• 24:18
  Amy Lenius: But people don't see that as normal because even not only are we looking at instant gratification all the time, we're seeing things online where it's like,"Oh, if it feels hard, it's not for you.
• 24:29
  Amy Lenius: Oh, if you're met with resistance, maybe you should let it go." Nope.
• 24:33
  Amy Lenius: Building is on the other side of something hard.
• 24:37
  Amy Lenius: There is always challenge and adversity and different things that you go through when you are building something, whether it be a physical health journey or maybe you're on a self-awareness emotional journey.
• 24:48
  Amy Lenius: That gets really challenging as well because you start to build self-worth, which means you start to hold boundaries with your loved ones.
• 24:54
  Amy Lenius: And if boundaries are hard for you, that feels uncomfortable.
• 24:57
  Amy Lenius: It feels like you're blowing up your whole life, and you're gonna lose love from the people around you, so maybe you should stop, when in reality, that's the time to double down and go, go further.
• 25:06
  Jeanne Andersen: And be consistent.
• 25:07
  Amy Lenius: And be consistent, and then you get really lonely for a little while, and people don't talk about that.
• 25:11
  Amy Lenius: You can be on a journey of, of self-awareness, self-discovery, success, however you wanna label it, and it gets really lonely for a little bit because you're in a patch of feeling different, of acting different, of Evolving, and that gets lonely, and lonely gets uncomfortable, and it gets very uncertain as well.
• 25:28
  Amy Lenius: And so what is your ability and your relationship with things that are challenging, with things that feel uncertain?
• 25:36
  Amy Lenius: Because if you can build a good relationship with those two things, you will be able to make it through to the other side where all the results are.
• 25:41
  Jeanne Andersen: You know, you kind of, uh, already talking about my next question, 'cause I think the hardest one of those three, you know, you built the framework like you just explained of self-worth and self-belief and consistency, but I think self-worth is the one that most people quietly skip over and… What does it actually look like when someone doesn't have that, and how do they change that?
• 26:03
  Jeanne Andersen: That's one of the most key factors, I would believe, for myself anyway, I think it is.
• 26:08
  Amy Lenius: Yeah, for a lot of women, actually.
• 26:10
  Amy Lenius: A lot of women and a lot of achievers, because a lot of achievers have high self-belief, what I talked about before, that high self-efficacy.
• 26:17
  Amy Lenius: You believe you're capable of creating a result with enough time and energy, or if you have enough time to learn about it, you believe in your ability to implement it.
• 26:25
  Amy Lenius: You don't necessarily believe you know everything right away, but you believe you can learn and you can take action based on that.
• 26:30
  Amy Lenius: That's self-belief, the external results that you believe you're capable of creating.
• 26:36
  Amy Lenius: Self-worth is an internal game.
• 26:39
  Amy Lenius: Self-worth is how worthy do I feel of those results, how worthy of I feel of the standards that have to be put in place to get those results and the actions that it's gonna take.
• 26:50
  Amy Lenius: If you have low self-worth, it shows up in a lot of different ways.
• 26:53
  Amy Lenius: Some of the really stereotypical ones are not being able to keep the promises you make to yourself Not having social courage, struggling to be your authentic self in front of other people.
• 27:04
  Amy Lenius: That looks like, you know, laughing because everyone's laughing even if you don't think it's funny.
• 27:09
  Amy Lenius: It looks like you dimming to make everyone comfortable, or it looks like you inflating because you're trying to prove something, that you're worthy of being in a space or that you're… When people inflate, they're trying not to be found out.
• 27:21
  Amy Lenius: It's like I feel less than about myself, but I don't want you to know that, so I'm gonna act up here and hope you don't notice.
• 27:26
  Amy Lenius: So we either inflate or deflate, and then there's a certain percentage of the population that just omits.
• 27:31
  Amy Lenius: They're like, "Nah, I'm out of here.
• 27:32
  Amy Lenius: I'm gonna go into hyper-independence, and I'm gonna be over here.
• 27:34
  Amy Lenius: I'm not gonna do this weird social inflate dance that you all do." And that comes with its own pros and cons.
• 27:39
  Amy Lenius: But it's social courage, keeping the promises you make to yourself.
• 27:42
  Amy Lenius: But you become a martyr, a people pleaser very easily.
• 27:44
  Amy Lenius: You don't have any boundaries whatsoever, and it's really hard to hold them even if you try.
• 27:50
  Amy Lenius: And you struggle to invest in yourself sometimes, whether it be with time, energy, effort, or money, however that looks.
• 27:56
  Amy Lenius: And you struggle with comparison.
• 27:58
  Amy Lenius: You use comparison to a detriment, to a woe is me versus for inspiration.
• 28:04
  Amy Lenius: Those are ways that low self-worth can come up.
• 28:06
  Amy Lenius: But at the end of the day, you will at some point sabotage your own journey because you don't believe you're worthy of actually getting there.
• 28:13
  Jeanne Andersen: Wow, those are profound words because it really resonates with me.
• 28:17
  Jeanne Andersen: Self-worth at times for me could be, hey, why should I be special?
• 28:21
  Jeanne Andersen: Why should I get this perfect physical body when other people don't have it either?
• 28:27
  Jeanne Andersen: You know, and I don't think that's the right attitude, but it's hard to change sometimes.
• 28:32
  Jeanne Andersen: Why don't I get the promotion when somebody else is getting it?
• 28:36
  Jeanne Andersen: You know, there's all those self-worth things, self-defeating kind of comments you make to yourself.
• 28:41
  Amy Lenius: Yeah, and it's not uncommon.
• 28:42
  Amy Lenius: It is hard to change.
• 28:45
  Amy Lenius: It is hard to change because those are your thoughts, and your thoughts become your beliefs, and your beliefs dictate your actions.
• 28:50
  Amy Lenius: And so if those are the thoughts that run through you, it's about changing the thoughts and having the actions meet the new thoughts.
• 28:59
  Amy Lenius: It's a feedback loop.
• 29:00
  Amy Lenius: To create new thoughts, you actually need to do different actions, and to do different actions, it's gonna help you create new thoughts.
• 29:06
  Amy Lenius: And so too many people are just doing one or the other.
• 29:09
  Amy Lenius: They're all action-based 'cause they have high self-belief, so they're gonna leave this part over here because they don't know how to do the emotional self-awareness part, so they're just gonna go prove, action, action, action, action.
• 29:19
  Amy Lenius: And then there's other people who only feel comfortable with the self-awareness aspect, so they'll learn, they'll try and evolve their thoughts and different things, but without the action, it's not actually gonna stick into the identity.
• 29:31
  Amy Lenius: So both are gonna go in circles in one way or another.
• 29:33
  Amy Lenius: It's about both.
• 29:34
  Jeanne Andersen: That's very true.
• 29:35
  Jeanne Andersen: I wish I had come across that journey knowing that more than I have realized it as I've gotten older.
• 29:41
  Jeanne Andersen: You know, it's hard to, to grasp as a young person.
• 29:45
  Jeanne Andersen: The woe is me kinda mentality is easy to get.
• 29:48
  Jeanne Andersen: You know, it's a peer pressure kinda thing almost.
• 29:50
  Jeanne Andersen: It's like, yeah, other people are getting things and I'm not.
• 29:54
  Jeanne Andersen: Other people are healthy and I'm not.
• 29:56
  Amy Lenius: Oh, that's a really good one, especially for the through line of this episode.
• 30:00
  Amy Lenius: So that's so common in the youth.
• 30:03
  Amy Lenius: We see these egos, these high egos in, in young people, and a lot of them fall into the victim or the villain So the victim has low self-worth, low self-belief, and they don't believe that their options or their opinions matter, or that they have the capability to get themselves out of a situation because they themselves are the problem.
• 30:22
  Amy Lenius: It's the victim mentality.
• 30:24
  Amy Lenius: The villain archetype, that's inflated self-worth almost, but low self-belief.
• 30:30
  Amy Lenius: They don't believe they can take the action to get themselves out, so they blame others and the world.
• 30:35
  Amy Lenius: It's, "Oh, my opinions are the only ones that matter.
• 30:38
  Amy Lenius: My options are the only ones that are, that are viable options, and if I can't do something, it's not my fault, it's yours.
• 30:45
  Amy Lenius: It's not my fault, it's the government's.
• 30:47
  Amy Lenius: It's not my fault, it's," insert thing here.
• 30:49
  Amy Lenius: "It's my teachers." Again, we're talking about youth, so maybe they're not super against the government yet.
• 30:53
  Amy Lenius: But it's that.
• 30:56
  Amy Lenius: It's outside of themselves, and they get this inflated self-worth that they are worthy of results that they refuse to gain the skill to actually back it up in.
• 31:07
  Amy Lenius: And so you see that in young people really easily.
• 31:10
  Amy Lenius: They either get deflated or inflated.
• 31:12
  Amy Lenius: But as we grow, if you're someone who has high self-belief, if you're an achiever but you don't bring your self-worth along with you and your self-worth stays low, you become the archetype of the hero.
• 31:23
  Amy Lenius: You become the martyr, the one who wants to achieve and see others achieve as well, so you'll drag others along with you to see the vision at the expense of yourself.
• 31:34
  Amy Lenius: You'll drag people up the mountain to make it harder for yourself when rather it'd be more effective to let them go and climb on their own.
• 31:42
  Amy Lenius: But the hero can't do that.
• 31:44
  Amy Lenius: The hero doesn't wanna be alone at the top.
• 31:46
  Amy Lenius: So the hero will constantly serve others before themselves or serve others at the expense of self, and a lot of women fall into that type as well because we are taught early on that our value and our worth is for what we can do or who we can be for other people And so we see a lot of hero complexes in women.
• 32:06
  Amy Lenius: I myself was the ultimate martyr, the ultimate hero.
• 32:09
  Amy Lenius: But the last few years, as I've learned all of this information, again, through expanding my knowledge, not just from physical and mental health for women, but these mental aspects, these different types of therapies and, and all of these kinds of frameworks that Alan and Kevin have brought into my life, and then just that interest expanding into my own research and things has been amazing because what's wild is I have focused on self-worth now for the last couple years.
• 32:36
  Amy Lenius: I am just, if it's for my self-worth, yes.
• 32:38
  Amy Lenius: If it's not, it can't be right now.
• 32:40
  Amy Lenius: And that has brought me up into almost being just this entirely different person, yet more myself than I've ever been.
• 32:49
  Amy Lenius: And so self-worth is really, really important because if you can build self-worth and build self-belief, the guide becomes your archetype.
• 32:57
  Amy Lenius: We all have a home.
• 32:58
  Amy Lenius: My home is the hero.
• 33:00
  Amy Lenius: Some of us live in victimhood.
• 33:01
  Amy Lenius: Some of us live in villainy, and we all touch in on, on all of them all the time.
• 33:05
  Amy Lenius: We do have our little moments.
• 33:07
  Amy Lenius: We have our little pity parties.
• 33:08
  Amy Lenius: We have our little thing where we wanna blame someone else and bring it back to us, and we have our little hero moments and things.
• 33:13
  Amy Lenius: So we all do all of it, but it's where's your natural home, and how can you build into the guide who has high self-belief, high self-worth?
• 33:20
  Amy Lenius: The guide doesn't act from fear like the other archetypes do.
• 33:23
  Amy Lenius: The hero, the villain, and the victim, they all are acting from a sense of fear in some way The fear and the core wound and the unconscious beliefs and things, those are still a part of the guide, but they don't allow those beliefs and things to run them unconsciously anymore and to react unconsciously to them.
• 33:41
  Amy Lenius: They're conscious of them and then make a more empowered choice.
• 33:44
  Amy Lenius: The guide holds the door open and leads the way, but doesn't go back for others at the expense of themselves.
• 33:50
  Amy Lenius: Building into the guide is a really, really empowered state, and so if you can learn to build self-belief, build self-worth, and be consistent in doing that, you can start to see a huge difference in your life.
• 34:03
  Jeanne Andersen: Well, you know what?
• 34:05
  Jeanne Andersen: All of that information you've given me kind of knocked out the rest of my questions, but it's very valuable because you're sharing information that everyone can relate to and stuff that they need to know, and I'm actually gonna go back and listen to this a couple times'cause I wanna find out where I fall.
• 34:23
  Jeanne Andersen: Am I the villain?
• 34:24
  Jeanne Andersen: Am I the hero?
• 34:26
  Jeanne Andersen: And, uh, am I the guide?
• 34:29
  Jeanne Andersen: Okay, I wanna know where I fall in that.
• 34:31
  Jeanne Andersen: Really like to understand that more.
• 34:33
  Jeanne Andersen: And yeah, so I know you talk on a lot of podcasts, so you know, you've given us so much great information.
• 34:42
  Jeanne Andersen: So I don't know if you say the same things on all the podcasts or how they're different, but if you're gonna be speaking just to someone out there, a woman, it could be a man as well, uh, that is going through these challenges in their life with some kind of issues, medical, mental, just other challenges, what would you say to them today that could help them start going in the right direction?
• 35:06
  Amy Lenius: I would say that trust that your journey is your own.
• 35:09
  Amy Lenius: It's amazing that there is so much information out there, but what helped me might not help you, and what helps you might not help someone else, and vice versa.
• 35:16
  Amy Lenius: All the things that help someone might help you.
• 35:19
  Amy Lenius: So don't get discouraged if, you know, Bob comes up to you and says,"This is what worked for me, and if it worked for me, it's gonna work for you," and then decide you can't be helped 'cause it didn't work for you.
• 35:29
  Amy Lenius: Stay curious.
• 35:30
  Amy Lenius: Keep chasing the next best thing for yourself because you are in charge of that journey, and you are an individual in that journey.
• 35:39
  Amy Lenius: And find people that work well with you in that, especially if you're on a health journey.
• 35:44
  Amy Lenius: You don't have to settle for the first person who doesn't believe you or doesn't feel like they're on your team in this journey.
• 35:49
  Amy Lenius: And so make sure you surround yourself with the right people.
• 35:51
  Amy Lenius: Make sure you take ownership and responsibility, and to stay curious into what can help you because there is countless remedies, practices, practitioners, and different things out there.
• 36:02
  Amy Lenius: Don't write them off unless you've tried them.
• 36:05
  Amy Lenius: That would be it, and give yourself the gift of time.
• 36:08
  Amy Lenius: Consistency over time, especially on a physical healing journey, your body heals things on the inside that you can't subjectively perceive yet because it's so deep in there.
• 36:18
  Amy Lenius: You need to give it time to start even giving yourself symptomatic relief.
• 36:21
  Amy Lenius: But there's stuff going on all the time that you can't perceive yet, so give it time to compound within you and to compound into your identity and into your life.
• 36:30
  Jeanne Andersen: What would you say to people, though, about some level of discernment?
• 36:33
  Jeanne Andersen: Because there is a lot of information out there, and you're saying try some, some might not work, then, you know, just offload that and just give it a try.
• 36:41
  Jeanne Andersen: But it might not work for you, but give it a try.
• 36:44
  Jeanne Andersen: How would you get through the YouTube feeds, the Google searches that have a plethora of information, and how do you discern through that before starting out deciding that if you shave your head, then obviously it's gonna help your brain?
• 37:02
  Amy Lenius: Yeah, I know.
• 37:04
  Amy Lenius: I know.
• 37:04
  Amy Lenius: Be more focused.
• 37:04
  Amy Lenius: You know, that craziness.
• 37:06
  Amy Lenius: I know, and you know what?
• 37:08
  Amy Lenius: Isn't that almost the gift of the age that we were brought up in a little bit, is that we didn't have to sift through all of that because there only was so much?
• 37:16
  Amy Lenius: That is such a great question because, yeah, I actually believe that there was a time in my youth where I would have… If someone said, "Hey, Amy, put a toad in a cage at the end of your bed and dance around it naked on a full moon and you'll feel better," I'd have frigging tried it.
• 37:31
  Amy Lenius: I'd have tried it because I was desperate.
• 37:33
  Amy Lenius: I was in so much pain.
• 37:34
  Amy Lenius: However, that might have been a waste of my time, so let's be discerning.
• 37:39
  Amy Lenius: I believe in people- I believe in people so much, and so I think you should find people that you genuinely feel connected with who have the results that you would like to have, and people who also have the humility to say that they don't know everything.
• 37:53
  Amy Lenius: They don't know everything.
• 37:55
  Amy Lenius: They know this, and that thing might help you, it might not, but let's see if it does, and I wanna support you on that journey.
• 38:01
  Amy Lenius: The second you go to someone who says,"I know it all. Absolutely. The thing I have is for you," red flag, in my opinion.
• 38:07
  Amy Lenius: But also, there's so much AI nowadays.
• 38:10
  Amy Lenius: There's so much BS out there.
• 38:12
  Amy Lenius: Find a person that you deeply connect with.
• 38:14
  Amy Lenius: Find a person that has the results that you want, but also similar values, beliefs, and life that you wanna live.
• 38:20
  Amy Lenius: I shouldn't be going to a, you know, 20-year-old man who loves to work out in the gym for my fitness advice when I'm a pushing 40 perimenopausal I wanna work out from home woman if he believes that those things are the same.
• 38:37
  Amy Lenius: Be discerning.
• 38:39
  Jeanne Andersen: Right.
• 38:39
  Amy Lenius: What I can do is find someone who also believes in my lifestyle choices, who has similar results that I would like to have, who is maybe a mother that has crushed her home workouts, and I can aspire to be like her, or I can at least find someone who I believe can speak my language.
• 38:57
  Amy Lenius: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite there'cause my fitness coach is a man.
• 39:00
  Amy Lenius: It's Alan, who I work with.
• 39:02
  Amy Lenius: He's-- Both of, Kevin and Alan, started out as fitness coaches, but they always take my input on, "Okay, but when I'm on my period, I'm not lifting heavy." And they're like, "Oh yeah, no, that makes sense, so let's bring this in," right?
• 39:14
  Amy Lenius: Like, so wherever people can meet you but also can inspire you, and again, that real person connection.
• 39:22
  Amy Lenius: It is very simple to go down the YouTube hole and all of the things, but if you can find someone that you deeply connect with or a channel that you deeply connect to, start there.
• 39:31
  Amy Lenius: Start with the connection to the person because I think that really matters nowadays.
• 39:35
  Jeanne Andersen: That's really sound advice, and I appreciate it.
• 39:38
  Jeanne Andersen: But now is the time, Amy, that we transition from just question and answer period into our showcase of two truths and a lie.
• 39:48
  Jeanne Andersen: Are you ready to go and play the game?
• 39:50
  Jeanne Andersen: What a fun little thing that you do.
• 39:51
  Jeanne Andersen: This is exciting.
• 39:53
  Jeanne Andersen: I can't wait.
• 39:56
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• 40:01
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• 40:25
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• 41:01
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• 41:07
  Jeanne Andersen: Oh, great.
• 41:07
  Jeanne Andersen: So I will share my screen, and the way, for those listening, the way this works is Amy provided me with three headlines about her life.
• 41:16
  Jeanne Andersen: Two are true, and one is a lie, or maybe just a twisted truth.
• 41:21
  Jeanne Andersen: We don't know.
• 41:22
  Jeanne Andersen: But I'm gonna read those headlines out, and then I'm going to guess which one I think is false, and she will then walk through each story and not reveal until the end which one is the lie All right, so Amy tells us that she runs international coaching calls from a house on a dirt road in the country.
• 41:42
  Jeanne Andersen: That's headline number one.
• 41:44
  Jeanne Andersen: Amy relaxes by bass fishing and listening to metal music.
• 41:48
  Jeanne Andersen: That's number two.
• 41:50
  Jeanne Andersen: And number three, Amy drinks a coffee all day, or coffee all day to keep up with everything she has to do.
• 41:57
  Jeanne Andersen: So if I would guess, and don't say yet what it is, but I would guess number three, 'cause now after listening to her talk and her health and challenges and things and her rebuilding, I don't know that she would be a coffee addict, but I don't know for sure.
• 42:11
  Jeanne Andersen: So Amy, are you ready to take us through each of those stories?
• 42:15
  Amy Lenius: Sure, absolutely.
• 42:17
  Amy Lenius: I do.
• 42:18
  Amy Lenius: I work with a online company that works with people all over the world.
• 42:22
  Amy Lenius: We do group coaching.
• 42:23
  Amy Lenius: We do one-on-one coaching.
• 42:25
  Amy Lenius: We have book clubs and master classes, and we find that because we have an international community, it is so much easier to do things from home and from Zoom is our main platform.
• 42:36
  Amy Lenius: My biggest love is teaching people about their cup fillers, honestly.
• 42:41
  Amy Lenius: We call them super chargers and your cup fillers, and I think it's so important to have one that you can do every day, have one that you can do every once in a while, and have your super cup filler that's, like, a really big one once in a while for you.
• 42:53
  Amy Lenius: So typically that looks like maybe like a spa or a retreat or things that you can't do all the time, like concerts and things, but the everyday ones are the more important ones, if I'm being super honest.
• 43:03
  Amy Lenius: So the everyday cup fillers, but two of mine are fishing and crazy, complex music.
• 43:11
  Amy Lenius: That's two things that quiets my brain long enough that I can go and just refuel, recharge, and I love fishing, especially bass fishing,'cause it's precision casting, and, uh, complex music is amazing.
• 43:24
  Amy Lenius: And number three, I homeschool my children.
• 43:28
  Amy Lenius: I have property.
• 43:29
  Amy Lenius: I have animals.
• 43:31
  Amy Lenius: I have a husband.
• 43:32
  Amy Lenius: I have a beautiful, very full life, and an absolutely a caffeine addict to get me through all of that.
• 43:38
  Jeanne Andersen: Okay.
• 43:39
  Jeanne Andersen: Well, all of those sound so convincing, but are you ready to reveal the lie and see if I got it right?
• 43:47
  Jeanne Andersen: I am.
• 43:48
  Amy Lenius: Are you ready?
• 43:49
  Jeanne Andersen: Yep.
• 43:49
  Jeanne Andersen: I'm ready.
• 43:51
  Amy Lenius: It's number three.
• 43:52
  Amy Lenius: You were right.
• 43:52
  Jeanne Andersen: Yay.
• 43:53
  Amy Lenius: So I do international coaching calls and work with this incredible company.
• 43:57
  Amy Lenius: I love bass fishing, and I listen to crazy ma- like, music.
• 44:00
  Amy Lenius: It's the best.
• 44:02
  Amy Lenius: If I'm being honest, it's more like a '90s and early 2000s alternative would be my baseline, but I do love some good metal very regularly.
• 44:10
  Amy Lenius: And I don't drink coffee all day, but I am a caffeine addict.
• 44:14
  Amy Lenius: I need my tea all the time.
• 44:16
  Jeanne Andersen: Oh, tea.
• 44:16
  Jeanne Andersen: Yeah.
• 44:17
  Jeanne Andersen: Does green tea have caffeine in it?
• 44:20
  Amy Lenius: Yeah, green tea, black tea, white tea, all the teas except for herbal teas have caffeine in them.
• 44:26
  Amy Lenius: And so, yeah, to be a homeschooling mom and- professional here like I am doing all the things that I do, and it's, uh, it's a need.
• 44:35
  Amy Lenius: And I'm obsessed with my teas, and it's also a part of my wellness practice and a big part of my daily cup filler as well.
• 44:41
  Jeanne Andersen: Oh, okay.
• 44:43
  Jeanne Andersen: Well, what are your favorite metal groups?
• 44:45
  Amy Lenius: Oh, I love, I love the classics.
• 44:48
  Amy Lenius: Like, I, I could listen to Metallica all day, like those kinds.
• 44:52
  Amy Lenius: I could go into Black Sabbath.
• 44:54
  Amy Lenius: I could go into those ones.
• 44:55
  Amy Lenius: But I also then, like I grew up with bands like Papa Roach and Alexisonfire and like those ones.
• 45:03
  Amy Lenius: So I, I like older music, and I can get into my generation.
• 45:06
  Amy Lenius: Anything new I can't even.
• 45:08
  Amy Lenius: I'm, I'm that person.
• 45:10
  Jeanne Andersen: Are you one of these ones that are like a head shaker with a head banger?
• 45:15
  Amy Lenius: I move my body a lot to it.
• 45:17
  Amy Lenius: Yeah, I think it's so funny when I see those reels.
• 45:19
  Amy Lenius: They're like, "Oh, you can't dance to that kind of music." It's like, "Yes, you can." You can totally move your body to it.
• 45:26
  Jeanne Andersen: And after listening to this, this is so cool to find out that's like another personal aspect of you.
• 45:34
  Jeanne Andersen: Well, this was fun, Amy.
• 45:35
  Jeanne Andersen: I really appreciate it, and I know people are gonna wanna get in touch with you 'cause what you had to say was very important and, and very moving in some ways.
• 45:44
  Jeanne Andersen: So I have prepared this slide.
• 45:46
  Jeanne Andersen: Um, there's a couple things on it.
• 45:48
  Jeanne Andersen: One is a quote from Amy that resonates with her, and I don't know if you wanna go over that.
• 45:55
  Jeanne Andersen: I just think that's a really good quote.
• 45:58
  Jeanne Andersen: "Most people don't fail because they're doing too little, they fail because they're doing too much of what doesn't actually move the needle."
• 46:05
  Amy Lenius: Yeah, doesn't move the needle towards what they actually want.
• 46:07
  Amy Lenius: They're keeping themselves busy but not productive, not optimal.
• 46:11
  Amy Lenius: I see it a lot.
• 46:12
  Amy Lenius: And so when you can optimize the actions you are doing, it becomes fulfilling instead of overwhelming and where you see burnout and things.
• 46:21
  Jeanne Andersen: Wonderful.
• 46:21
  Jeanne Andersen: And these are your links that you provided to me.
• 46:24
  Jeanne Andersen: This, uh, website you have is part of your Next Level u- universe coaching aspect, and it says down here also a call to action is it's a free Facebook community dedicated to growth and self-awareness.
• 46:37
  Jeanne Andersen: I don't know if you wanna say more about it, but it sounds fantastic.
• 46:40
  Amy Lenius: Yeah.
• 46:40
  Amy Lenius: We have a Facebook community that's free.
• 46:42
  Amy Lenius: Next Level University does a lot of free things.
• 46:44
  Amy Lenius: We believe in free value in the world, and going on podcasts is actually one of the things we do in the name of that free value.
• 46:50
  Amy Lenius: And so, I mean, we have free book club every week, growth-oriented book club.
• 46:55
  Amy Lenius: We do master classes every month.
• 46:57
  Amy Lenius: But our group coaching is very much dedicated to podcasters and heart-driven podcasters getting their message out there and learning to be successful through their podcast 'cause we believe in their message and we wanna see them win so much.
• 47:09
  Amy Lenius: And so we do offer a lot.
• 47:10
  Amy Lenius: But even if anything resonated with you today and you just wanna hear more about how to build self-belief, self-worth unique to you, consistency and things, I'm an open book.
• 47:19
  Amy Lenius: You can reach out to me on Facebook or Instagram anytime.
• 47:22
  Jeanne Andersen: Oh, that's so great to provide that.
• 47:23
  Jeanne Andersen: Thank you.
• 47:24
  Jeanne Andersen: So for the listeners, I hope you will join us again next week for another guest.
• 47:29
  Jeanne Andersen: And I, I want to thank Amy, uh, especially for being on today, uh, 'cause those are the kind of guests we really, really appreciate being on the show.
• 47:38
  Jeanne Andersen: For everyone out there, uh, this is Jeanne Andersen, your host, the admiral of the unexpected.
• 47:44
  Jeanne Andersen: And until I see you again or hear you again , smooth sailing.
• 47:50
  Jeanne Andersen: Bye.
• 47:50
  Jeanne Andersen: Thank you.
• 47:52
  Jeanne Andersen: Thanks for joining me on Project Candor, where the doors are open, the stories are unexpected, and the treasure is always real.
• 47:59
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• 48:04
  Jeanne Andersen: Otherwise, I might just make you swab the deck.
• 48:08
  Jeanne Andersen: I'm Jeanne Andersen, your admiral of the unexpected.
• 48:11
  Jeanne Andersen: See you on the next voyage.