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Ep. 406 - The Covenant (2006) · Frightmares

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  Speaker 1: You are now listening to the Someone's Favorite Productions Podcast Network.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Tumbleweeds and TV Cowboys. My name
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  Speaker 2: is Hunter. In this podcast, I'll be joined by a
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  Speaker 2: different guest each week to discuss a classic Western movie
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  Speaker 2: or TV show. I've been a fan of classic Westerns
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  Speaker 2: for as long as I can remember, and in recent years,
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  Speaker 2: they've become very nostalgic for me. I love the aesthetic,
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  Speaker 2: the tropes, and I love seeing different filmmakers' takes on them.
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  Speaker 2: At their best, they're incredibly entertaining, rewatchable, and some of
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  Speaker 2: my all-time favorite movies are westerns. We'll mostly focus on
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  Speaker 2: western movies made in Hollywood, but we'll also be covering
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  Speaker 2: spaghetti westerns, and one thing I'm very excited to get
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  Speaker 2: into are western TV shows. I've got some amazing guests
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  Speaker 1: The following podcast will contain spoilers, tangents, hot takes, and
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  Speaker 1: excessive foul language. Viewer discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 2: Enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Frightmares Podcast. I'm your host, Austin Proctor,
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  Speaker 3: and joining me today for episode 406 is my good friend,
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  Speaker 3: Corey Johnson.
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  Speaker 1: Heyo, wee-atches.
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  Speaker 3: I was hoping you'd... He said one line, like, right
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  Speaker 3: before that, and I was hoping you'd say that, and
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  Speaker 3: then he said, and I was like, that's the line
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  Speaker 3: Corey's gonna use.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, that's the line. That's the one.
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  Speaker 3: You can't not use it.
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  Speaker 1: It's been the line since 2006, and it will be
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  Speaker 1: the line until time immemorial.
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  Speaker 3: Today on the last installment of Warlocktober's Hex... We actually,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they're still called witches in this, but warlocks
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  Speaker 3: for a better term. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we actually included, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So we're discussing our wild card pick, The Covenant, from 2006.
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  Speaker 3: A movie that is essentially the product of an unholy
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  Speaker 3: threesome between a CW casting call, a Calvin Klein underwear commercial,
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  Speaker 3: and the Salem Witch Trials. Let's see where this lands
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  Speaker 3: on the Nightmare Index. I worked really, really hard on
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  Speaker 3: that one. Oh, no.
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  Speaker 1: That was college level right there. Perfect.
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  Speaker 3: From the corrections department from last episode, I had to
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  Speaker 3: look at the ratings between Superstition and Silver Bullet because
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  Speaker 3: they both wound up at a 3.47. Going into three
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  Speaker 3: decimal points, Superstition was a 3.467, and I'm not rounding
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  Speaker 3: up to avoid ties. Silver Bullet is a 3.475, so
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  Speaker 3: it is Superstition came in just below Silver Bullet. Corey,
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  Speaker 3: what have we been watching recently? Anything good? Anything bad?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to think the things that I've
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  Speaker 1: been watching recently are pretty good. When Jessica and I
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  Speaker 1: did Ghost in the Cell, we did it real early
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  Speaker 1: that morning and because of a surprise that you and
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  Speaker 1: I have coming later.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: For our YouTube. But that kind of got me started
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  Speaker 1: on let's do a really bizarro movie day.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right. Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: I did a triple feature that day with Ghost in
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  Speaker 1: the Cell, followed very shortly after by the 2018 movie Annihilation.
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  Speaker 1: Which I gave a four star and a heart because
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  Speaker 1: it's a good movie. It's beautiful to look at. It's
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  Speaker 1: just a little long-winded and long-winded about nothing. There's not
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot actually going on.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, perfect.
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  Speaker 1: And then 2017's Mother gave a three and a half.
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  Speaker 3: Hold on.
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  Speaker 1: Which is... Mother!
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  Speaker 3: Because there's an exclamation point at the end.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. That's fair. But I did that one as well.
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  Speaker 1: And it took Jessica like... Most of the movie to
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  Speaker 1: figure out along with me constantly prodding. Like it's, it's
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  Speaker 1: a story, you know, it's arguably the oldest and bestselling
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  Speaker 1: story of all time. Like it, it took her a
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  Speaker 1: while to get to the, Oh, they're just retelling the
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  Speaker 1: Bible in a really weird way. Uh, but yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's really good. I really enjoy it.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, so how long did it take her to recover
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  Speaker 3: from the ultimate atrocities that were committed against her in
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  Speaker 3: one day?
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  Speaker 1: She was like, yeah. So you're not allowed to pick
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  Speaker 1: movies for a couple of weekends.
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  Speaker 3: That's fair.
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  Speaker 1: Hence, hence why we have not gone and seen, seen
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  Speaker 1: Clayface yet.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, yes. We should be seeing that tomorrow night. very excited.
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  Speaker 3: It has like a 3.7. So that's the, maybe, maybe
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  Speaker 3: this is finally DC's new beginning again for like the
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  Speaker 3: fifth time. Hopefully, maybe, maybe. Uh, so yeah. Anything else, uh,
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  Speaker 3: that you've been watching?
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  Speaker 2: Nope.
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  Speaker 1: That's, that's about it. Oh, uh, I did watch because we,
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  Speaker 1: you and I were supposed to have a, uh, project
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  Speaker 1: for oh yeah let's talk about the area that i
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  Speaker 1: live in um that seems to have fallen through but
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  Speaker 1: i watched earnest scared stupid for the first time now
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  Speaker 1: i'd seen a couple of the earnest movies i know
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  Speaker 1: you have never seen not a one i know jim
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  Speaker 1: barney led movie yeah uh but we both watched that
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  Speaker 1: so i i'm gonna let you get into that a
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  Speaker 1: little bit okay sure because i i know you're a
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  Speaker 1: Your opinions on it are going to be way funnier
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  Speaker 1: than mine.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. So for me, let's go to the old letterbox here.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so behind on logging stuff that I have a
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  Speaker 3: notes app of stuff I need to log because I'm so,
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  Speaker 3: I'm so behind on Hooptober. So it's not confusing at
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  Speaker 3: all from what I've actually watched to what I haven't watched.
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  Speaker 3: All right. So let's see. Okay. I did. Oh, did
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  Speaker 3: I talk about Orca the killer whale? I don't think
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  Speaker 3: I did watch that movie. And if I've double-dipped on
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  Speaker 3: any of these, I do apologize. Watched Orca the Killer Whale, 1977.
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  Speaker 3: And it's essentially the film that Jaws the Revenge wanted
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  Speaker 3: to be 10 years later, because Jaws the Revenge is 1987.
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  Speaker 3: Orca the Killer Whale has a similar plot involving a
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  Speaker 3: sea animal getting revenge, but it's done so much better
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  Speaker 3: in 1977 with Orca. Yeah. Orca was a fantastic time.
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  Speaker 3: I cannot deny. Yeah, it's a Jaws ripoff, essentially. I
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  Speaker 3: get that. But ultimately, I had so much more fun
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  Speaker 3: with this than I did Jaws. Is Jaws the better movie? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: It is the better movie. But Orca is a lot
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  Speaker 3: of fun. And there's a lot of just beautiful underwater cinematography.
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  Speaker 3: And that's not easy to do in the days of
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  Speaker 3: film when they're using it. That is not easy. So
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  Speaker 3: really enjoyed that.
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  Speaker 1: We're not to the James Cameron make it waterproof level
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  Speaker 1: yet in that time of Hollywood.
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  Speaker 3: I'm assuming we're utilizing a bunch of plastic wrap and
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  Speaker 3: tape and just hoping that no water leaks through. Or
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  Speaker 3: they're just lowering themselves down in like a plastic container.
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  Speaker 3: I have no idea. So watch that. Four stars. Loved it.
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  Speaker 3: Watch the movie called Space Truckers. Oh, also, Orca was
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  Speaker 3: for Horror at Sea, Hooptober. Space Truckers was a film
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  Speaker 3: that Screaming Mad George worked on for Hooptober. It was
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  Speaker 3: really hard to find a movie that I hadn't seen
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  Speaker 3: from Screaming Mad George. He did a lot of practical
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  Speaker 3: effects from the, I think, 70s to 90s, maybe early 2000s.
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  Speaker 3: And I'd seen most of his work, so I was
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  Speaker 3: trying to pick stuff I hadn't seen. Space Truckers isn't
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  Speaker 3: a horror movie, but it's directed by Stuart Gordon, so
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  Speaker 3: close enough, okay? Stuart Gordon is a legend in the
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  Speaker 3: horror genre. Space Truckers was a lot of fun. You
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  Speaker 3: have an incredible cast. You have a very young, well,
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  Speaker 3: not very young. I guess Blade was 98. But you've
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  Speaker 3: got Stephen Dorff, Dennis Hopper. You've got George fucking Wendt
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  Speaker 3: in this movie. It's a lot of fun. It's like
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  Speaker 3: a combination of a 50s diner aesthetic and set in space.
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  Speaker 3: It's really fun. It's a good, goofy, kind of campy
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  Speaker 3: fun movie. Gave that a three and a half. Then
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  Speaker 3: I watched the first installment of four movies in the
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  Speaker 3: Amityville franchise. So you have Amityville and then Amityville 2,
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  Speaker 3: The Possession, Amityville 3D. Then there are four more sequels
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  Speaker 3: that are the cursed object sequels. And then there's one
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  Speaker 3: in between those called the Amityville Curse that I still
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  Speaker 3: need to watch. But I did watch Amityville, The Evil Escapes.
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  Speaker 3: Basically what happens here is everything is being sold from
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  Speaker 3: the original Amityville house and someone buys a lamp and
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  Speaker 3: before they buy the lamp, there is a priest going
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  Speaker 3: around the house blessing it and trying to exorcise the
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  Speaker 3: demon And one of the demons jumps into the lamp.
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  Speaker 3: And the lamp is sold to this family. And now
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  Speaker 3: this lamp is terrorizing the house. Ten out of ten,
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  Speaker 3: no fucking notes. Such a ridiculous premise. This is the
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  Speaker 3: 80s ridiculousness and wackiness that I crave. Probably doesn't deserve
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  Speaker 3: a three and a half, but that's what I gave it.
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  Speaker 3: It was a fun time.
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  Speaker 1: Does this fall into the, like, original 1979 from Stuart
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  Speaker 1: Rosenberg Amityville horror franchise?
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  Speaker 3: It does. Well, okay, so... Okay. So the original three are,
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  Speaker 3: I guess, what would be considered a trilogy. And then
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  Speaker 3: they have the four that I mentioned, and then the
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  Speaker 3: Amityville Curse. So technically five. But they're all part of
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  Speaker 3: the original... franchise, anything outside of these one, two, three,
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  Speaker 3: eight movies, I think is, you know, separate.
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  Speaker 1: So, so according to, uh, according to Google AI, which
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  Speaker 1: is a terrible AI platform, but I love to see
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  Speaker 1: what it says.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Hit or miss, hit or miss.
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  Speaker 1: Um, Apparently, the Amityville horror film franchise sprawls over 60
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  Speaker 1: independent separate movies.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a shit ton of spin-offs for sure.
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  Speaker 1: That is ridiculous for something that we now know to
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  Speaker 1: have been a hoax.
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  Speaker 3: And fun fact about that, I didn't know that until
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  Speaker 3: I was doing some research on it, and while the
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  Speaker 3: Willem Dafoe, fuck me, what's his face?
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  Speaker 1: The Dafeyos.
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  Speaker 3: Dafeyos. Willem Dafeyo. No, Ronald Dafeyo, whatever the fuck his
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  Speaker 3: name was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ronald Dafeyo.
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  Speaker 3: That is true. He did commit a massacre in that house,
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  Speaker 3: but the people who moved in afterwards, the Lutzes, claimed
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  Speaker 3: to have paranormal experiences, lied about it to basically get
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  Speaker 3: book and movie deals, and boy, did that get successful.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, the paranormal stuff that happened there was a hoax.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't know how I didn't know.
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  Speaker 3: It's like the fucking Warrens. It's like, you know, how
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  Speaker 3: they were kind of bullshitters.
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  Speaker 1: At least the Warrens showed up to places that had
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  Speaker 1: like some credit. Like, yeah, the Warrens showed up to
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  Speaker 1: the Enfield house six months after everything went down. But
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  Speaker 1: like still stuff went down at the Enfield house.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But like nothing happened. Like, yes, people got murdered, but no,
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  Speaker 1: no hooky spookies happened in the Amityville house. I, This
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  Speaker 1: is a podcast that I listen to independently. And they're like,
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  Speaker 1: we've been to the Amityville house. It's just kind of
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  Speaker 1: in suburbia. Yeah, it really is.
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  Speaker 3: And also, I believe at some point within the last,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, five or ten years, I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 3: the owners of it currently remodeled it so it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have the windows like it used to, so people would
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  Speaker 3: stop showing up there and taking photos. I understand. I
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  Speaker 3: get that. But also, come on, it's kind of iconic.
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  Speaker 3: I could understand not wanting people to show up at
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  Speaker 3: your house, though. So, yeah, the Amityville Cursed Object, I
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  Speaker 3: got it as a box set. So you have Amityville,
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  Speaker 3: The Evil Escapes, and you have Amityville 1992, It's About Time,
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  Speaker 3: and it's literally about time. Then you have Amityville, A
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  Speaker 3: New Generation, and then Amityville Dollhouse. So that's the Cursed
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  Speaker 3: Object trilogy. One is a lamp, one is a clock,
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  Speaker 3: one is something I can't remember, and then one is
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  Speaker 3: a dollhouse. And then, again, you have the Amityville curse
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  Speaker 3: in between the evil escapes in 1992. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how that one really fits in. I think it's a
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  Speaker 3: fucking one-off or something. But there's so many original Amityville movies. And,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you have Amityville Toilet. You have Amityville Karen.
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  Speaker 3: Amityville Backrooms. Like, it's insane. There's too many things with
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  Speaker 3: the word Amity in front of it that have nothing
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  Speaker 3: to do with the actual movie. Subject matter. So I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what we're doing here.
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  Speaker 1: It starts sounding like nonsense syllables at a certain point.
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  Speaker 1: So Amityville Dollhouse sounds like the worst new season of
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  Speaker 1: A Real Housewives. Bravo, babe.
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  Speaker 3: Coming next season. So yeah, we're also going through the
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  Speaker 3: Halloween franchise, Me and My Wife, or My Wife and I,
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  Speaker 3: grammatically correct. I'm going to wait until next episode to
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  Speaker 3: go through all of that with her since I've been
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  Speaker 3: watching them with her. But I will say this to
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  Speaker 3: preface the next episode. This fucking franchise is a goddamn mess.
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  Speaker 3: I never realized how.
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  Speaker 1: Is this predi.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 1: Is this predicated off your intro conversation at the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of Hocum?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. I figured, I figured there had to be a reason.
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  Speaker 1: Cause your guest was like, Oh yeah. If you watch
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  Speaker 1: them in like this order in like a span of
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  Speaker 1: two days, it's actually pretty good. And you were like, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: Is it though? And he was like, yeah, no.
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  Speaker 3: If you do, if you watch Halloween one and two
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  Speaker 3: and then go to the new trilogy. Yes. That is
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  Speaker 3: actually the best timeline. If you will, in my opinion, because,
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  Speaker 3: Because in that timeline, there is a reason Michael is not, like,
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  Speaker 3: in most of the iterations, it's like Michael is just
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  Speaker 3: fucked off for 10 years. Like, between Halloween 2 and
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  Speaker 3: Halloween 4, there's a 10-year gap where Michael has just
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  Speaker 3: been in the hospital, and today is the fucking day
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  Speaker 3: he's like, I'm out. what are we doing here? At
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  Speaker 3: least with the new, you know, DGG trilogy, he has
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  Speaker 3: been locked up for 40 years. And of course they
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  Speaker 3: transport him on Halloween. Cause nobody fucking knows to not
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  Speaker 3: transport this man around that time. But at least in
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  Speaker 3: that one, it's good. But we did Halloween one, two,
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  Speaker 3: and then jumped to H2O. So many fucking problems that
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  Speaker 3: I have going. And we'll talk about that next week.
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  Speaker 3: And then we went back to four, five and six.
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  Speaker 3: And it was just like, Oh my God, this, this,
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  Speaker 3: this might be the worst franchise when it horror franchises.
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to continuity and jumps in time between
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  Speaker 3: movies and the masks changing in every single fucking movie
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  Speaker 3: in the eight originals.
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  Speaker 1: It's because it's John Carpenter, right?
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  Speaker 3: Originally. Originally, the first two. I mean, he didn't even
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  Speaker 3: direct two.
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  Speaker 1: He intended for it to be an anthology series originally.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what happened with three and then everyone hated it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why they'd be jumping around, because, like,
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  Speaker 1: the creator has said it's not technically supposed to have
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  Speaker 1: a continuity.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So it kind of gives carte blanche for any director
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  Speaker 1: to go, all right, well, I'm going to do what
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  Speaker 1: I want, and.
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  Speaker 3: It's technically canon. Pretty much. He has been quoted as
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  Speaker 3: saying he wrote Halloween II while he was blasted on
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  Speaker 3: alcohol because he didn't want to do it, but... So
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  Speaker 3: I get it. He did not even want to do two.
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure someone else directed it. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: he directed two. I think Rick Rosenthal directed two. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so we'll talk about that more in depth on the
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  Speaker 3: next episode because it is a fucking mess. There's five
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  Speaker 3: goddamn timelines in this franchise. It is just, it's abhorrent.
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  Speaker 3: That's all I can say. So I think that's all
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  Speaker 3: I've got. I plan on watching the other Amityvilles here soon.
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  Speaker 3: And catching up on my Hooptober at some point because
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: as of right now, I'm like 12 days behind because
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: I have so much content to edit and putting out
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: entirely too many things this month. October is just chaos.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why I do this to myself. I
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  Speaker 3: think next year I'm going to take a break from Hooptober.
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  Speaker 3: It's just too much. It's too fucking much. Anyways, let's
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  Speaker 3: roll into the body count. All right, so this is
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  Speaker 3: The Covenant from 2006, released on September 8th of that
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  Speaker 3: year in the U.S. Rated PG-13, interestingly enough, for intense
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  Speaker 3: sequences of violence and action, some disturbing images, sexual content,
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  Speaker 3: partial nudity, and language. Everything is mild across the board.
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  Speaker 3: Sex and nudity, violence and gore, profanity, alcohol, drugs, and smoking,
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  Speaker 3: and frightening and intense scenes. All mild, which is kind
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  Speaker 3: of interesting. I mean, I agree with it to an extent,
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  Speaker 3: but also I feel like some of them were teetering
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  Speaker 3: on maybe moderate. Runtime of an hour and 37 minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Don't break your neck on all these genres. Listed as
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  Speaker 3: an adventure, fantasy, horror, mystery, thriller. Directed by one of
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: the most controversial men in horror, Rennie Harlan. He has
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: directed things like Prison, Deep Blue Sea, and the just
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: detestable Strangers trilogy, chapters one through three. He is the
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  Speaker 3: most hit or fucking misdirector, I think, in the horror genre.
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  Speaker 3: He also did Deep Water, which, while incredibly silly, was
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  Speaker 3: a lot of fun. The man is all over the map.
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  Speaker 3: I can't get ahead.
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  Speaker 1: He also did Die Hard 2.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Right. That's what I'm saying. He is so all over
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: the map with what he does and what he produces.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Written by J.S. Cardone, who also wrote The Forsaken, Prom
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Night 2008, and The Stepfather 2009. Composed by Tom and Andy.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: All one word, all lowercase. Or maybe Tom and Dandy.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know. who also composed The Mothman Prophecies, The
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Hills Have Eyes, and The Original Strangers. Cinematography by Pierre Gill,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: who also did the cinematography for Outlander. 2008, he primarily
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: does French films, so I didn't recognize a lot. Edited
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: by Nicolas de Toth. Check out this resume. And this
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: is only three movies, because I stick to the rule
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: of threes. Bicentennial Man, he also edited. Terminator 3, Rise
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: of the Machines, and Underworld Evolution. Interesting resume so far.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a... There's one good movie on there.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Yep, there's one.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: And I'll let you pick whichever one you think it is.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Because it's right, you know? Whichever one you think. Starring
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Stephen Strait as Caleb Danvers, who was also in Sky
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: High as War and Peace. Laura Ramsey as Sarah Wenham.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: She was in the ruins as Stacy. We've covered that
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: on this show. Sebastian Stan looking completely unrecognizable as Chase Collins,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: who everybody should.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Except from the nose to chin, and he looks exactly
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: the same as he has.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: For always.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: For most of the movie, I was thinking, is Sebastian
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Stan in the room with me? And then I finally,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: because this is like the earliest thing I've ever seen him,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: and I finally got- Caught him at the right angle.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, wow. So he plays Chase Collins.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Everybody should know him as Bucky Barnes from the MCU.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Taylor Kitsch as Pogue Perry, who I will be referring
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: to throughout this episode as Pogo because Pogue is just
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: a dumb name.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Or as Jessica referred to him in the entire movie
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: as his Friday Night Lights character, Riggs.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's right. I did see he was in that.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: But he was also in Snakes on a Plane as Kyle,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: which we just recently covered. Chase Crawford as Tyler Sims.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: He was also in Super Troopers 3 as Baker. Jessica
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Lucas as Kate Tooney. She was in Cloverfield as Lily.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: And then we have Toby Hemingway as Reed Garwin. He
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: was in Black Swan as Tom. Estimated budget of $ 20 million.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Someone threw $ 20 million at this. Worldwide box office gross
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: of $ 37. 6 million. Not terrible. Its country of origin is America,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: but it was filmed in Nova Scotia and Quebec, Canada.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: The inverse of what happened last episode because Superstition was
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: of Canadian origin, but they filmed it in Los Angeles
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: for whatever reason. The people who made this movie were like,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: let's go to Canada because they provide film incentives and
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: stuff like that. So I don't know what's happening here.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: There's also another connection. Between this movie and Superstition that
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: we'll get into. You can watch this on Tubi. Movies
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: that came out around the same time. The Departed. Crank.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Stranger Than Fiction. Idiocracy. I mean, that's just a documentary
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: at this point. Snakes on a Plane. Accepted. The Fall.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Gridiron Gang. Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The Beginning. The Wicker Man Remake.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Beer Fest, Inland Empire, The Grudge 2, and Employee of
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: the Month. My brain cannot fathom all of those movies
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: coming out within three months of one another, but here
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: we are.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: And every single one of those movies is arguably better
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: than the one we picked.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Fair. IMDb summary, the death of a student at an
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: elite academy in New England threatens the centuries-old secret of
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: four families. Let's get into the autopsy. All right, Corey,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: much like darkness falls, which we did last year, I
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: believe for our 2003 pick, you recommended this one. I'm
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: always here for a Corey recommendation. I am always here
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: for it.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: They come from out of nowhere.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Completely out of nowhere.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Reaching up into a pocket dimension, ripping it back down
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and going, here you go.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Yes. So you don't remember this and I've never seen it.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: And the, you know, for the wild card, we, we,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: you know, we've sticked stuck to this rule the whole year.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: At least one of us has to not have seen it. And, uh, honestly,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: every month, except for like one month, I think neither
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: one of us have seen it. Uh, like, uh, Spencer
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: had seen snakes on a plane, but I hadn't, you've
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: seen the covenant and I haven't. So overall thoughts you
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: mentioned before we started recording that you saw, you know,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: you watch this when you were younger and then you
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: watched it now with your, you know, film critic glasses on.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: So are you able to give me your overall thoughts
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: from both sides of the spectrum here? Is that possible?
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: If I can do it like... train of thought, stream
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: of consciousness. I'm just gonna do word association overall thoughts.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Sure, let's hear it, let's hear it.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Starting from a young man going into who I am now.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: All right, here are Corey's overall thoughts from a strapping
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: young lad to who he is now from his perspective
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: on the covenant. Let's hear it.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Cool music. Edgy. Cool cars. Hot girls. Cool guys. Magic.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Weird stuff. All of these people look like adults. Sad boys.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: New metal. Butt rock. Why does this girl have these
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: two tattoos? Why is this one character the only person
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: with tattoos? What's going on? Why is this movie so, like,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: uncomfortably horny at itself?
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Is that it?
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: That's perfect. Perfectly told. I love a good bullet point
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: stream of conscious. So that's, there you go. Straight from Corey.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: My overall thoughts for this movie, you know, this was clearly,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: clearly made in the 2000s. Just, you could throw this
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: movie on without telling anybody anything about it, and they'd
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: be able to pinpoint this was the mid-2000s. And that's
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: not a problem. I think it honestly has a great aesthetic.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: I feel that Twilight heavily borrowed the aesthetic from this movie,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: because Twilight wouldn't come out until 2008. This was 2006,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: and they look.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Similar so i'm thinking.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah it does it does have the uh blue filter
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: let's throw a filter on everything.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah but to be honest despite the lunacy of the
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: actual i mean the actual story isn't terrible but it
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: is so cartoonish so over the top in some moments
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: so serious in other moments And I fucking loved it.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed this movie, probably for all the wrong reasons,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: but hey, it's still enjoying a movie. I don't know
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: what I'm going to rate it. I don't know if
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: it's going to be, you know, like from the heart
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: rating or a critical rating. We'll get to it by
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: the end of the episode, but I fucking really enjoyed
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: this movie. So 10 out of 10 on the pick.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: 10 out of 10 on the vibes.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: At least.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. So, all right, let's get into the movie.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: And right off the rip, it starts my favorite way
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: a movie can text on screen. I'm ready. The text
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: on screen reads, no one really knows how the power
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: came to be. Not even the book of damnation recorded
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: its beginning, but those who mastered it have always been hunted.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: In the middle of the 17th century, many escaped the
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: brutal witch hunting in England and France by coming to America.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: As the brutal persecution of those with the power spread
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: throughout Massachusetts, families of Ipswich formed a covenant of silence.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: And for 300 years, it has kept them safe. Until now.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: And then we chew up white zombies more than human
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: and have one of the most diabolical 2000s title sequences
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: I've ever seen. Oh my God.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: That runs for like one full minute too long.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: It's a long time.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Jessica clued in and she goes, is this going to
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: be the whole movie?
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Oh man, what an idea that would be. Just an
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: entire movie of title sequences. So that's your opener there.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: The movie honestly looks way too good. I mean, $ 20
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: million explains a lot, but honestly, I wasn't expecting this
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: level of production value. I think The camera work, especially
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: in this movie, is honestly impressive. I think the cinematography
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: is very well done. It's pretty sleek at some moments.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: It's a little jarring in other moments. I don't know.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: The whole production value of this movie was honestly kind
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: of shocking. I was not expecting it. Even the CG,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: there are some very rough parts. But for most of
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: the movie, it's not bad. It's not terrible.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: So the CG is good until it has to be
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: a feature of what's going on there like the cg
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: for oh let's let's drop these four sad boys off
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: a cliff that looks great yeah the cg the cg
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: of the the eye orange yeah flickering about that's real
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: good great but like the darklings are a little rough
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: yeah and then the uh what I am going to
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: call the invisible street fighter techniques. Those are bad.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Those are, those are just bad. And there is, there's, Oh,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: it looks good. No, it doesn't even look cool. It
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: looks bad.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Definitely.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I completely forgot the whole finger tendrils thing. I forgot
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: that happened. Yeah.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I saw that and I was like, Ooh, that's the
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: roughest part of this movie. So then, yeah. So here
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: was my stream of conscious. There's like a few things
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: kind of like what you did that I wanted to hit.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: You get a car chase at seven and a half
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: minutes to Jules X faster, which I was not expecting
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: a car chase of that quality to happen.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Then we get someone, I think it's the guy who's driving.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: He says, Harry Potter can kiss my ass. Almost fucking
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: threw up.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, read.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Almost threw up out of laughter. We do get.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: And it's extra hilarious because he looks like the new
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: metal version of Draco Malfoy.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, and I'll get it. We're going to get into that.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: We're going to get into all that. So he says
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: that for a movie from 2006, we only get one
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: homophobic slur, but they don't even say the full word.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: They just say F-A-G. And I'm like. All right, whatever. Yeah.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: You had to throw the one in there. At least
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: you didn't use the whole thing, but we only got one.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Thank God. Once I heard that, like the first time
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: I thought, Oh God damn it. They're just going to
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: be peppered in here and there. No, just once. And
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: I was like, wow. All right. 2006. There you go.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Where in that is that? Because I completely missed that line.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: So it's when they're in the locker rooms and I
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: can't remember who the confrontation is between, but he's like,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: what are you looking at? Are you looking at my dick?
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Like F. And then he says, no, I'm looking at
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: where your dick should be or something like that. Ah.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: And he said, yeah.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I was just aghast at the amount of muscular male
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: butt that they showed on.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: The fucking camera. There's a lot of butts. Yeah, a
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: lot of butts. The heavy metal music to People Swimming
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: went harder than it should have.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Ha ha!
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Ha ha ha!
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: The intensity of lane swimming has never been more. Because
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: back in high school, I used to help out for
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the swim team and stuff. And you want to know
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: what does not deserve heavy metal music? Swim team.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Arguably one of the most mild sports in existence, and
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: then they're just cranking out some 2000s new metal while
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: they're swimming. But honestly, I was like, fucking, this works.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: The Miss Muffet speech that Chase gives was utterly ridiculous.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: How about I... Pretty much.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Everything that comes out of Chase's mouth is ridiculous.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: It's pretty bad. Especially, how about I make you my Riyadh?
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Sebastian... Yes, Sebastian Stan said, I'm earning this paycheck.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: He really did. And you know what? Good for him
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: because now he's making that Marvel money. So those are
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: just a couple notes here. Two important things to note
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: before we kind of break down the story here. Ascending,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: which I didn't think they were ever going to fucking explain.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: They just kept mentioning ascending, ascending, ascending. I'm like, are
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: we going to tell me what it is? Yeah, it's
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: the major turning point in a witch's development on their
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: 18th birthday. for fucking Chase Caleb. There's too many fucking
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: C names. I think it's Caleb. He's the main one.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: It's like 11 minutes past 12 on his birthday. And
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: then we have Darklings, which they don't necessarily explain, but
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: they're like these supernatural entities associated with witches who are
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: abusing the power or something like that. So those are
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: kind of two things to note before we.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I always took the Darklings... As the beings that
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: got affected by the use of the magic. Because the
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Darkling is only ever the one kid that got killed.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: So I'm guessing, like, if you... Like, say... Because you
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: get a taste of the power when you're 13. But
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: it's just, like, super fractional. But I guess if you, like...
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Bully some kid with your powers, maybe a darkling of
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: that kid shows up in a dream as like a
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: cautionary whatever. Because the whole predication of these powers, which
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: they take their form. fucking time explaining the implications of
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the powers is it's essentially God powers. You can do
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: whatever you want, essentially. But once you turn 18, the
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: powers then attach themselves to to your life force so
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: that every time you use the power it ages you
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: and like deteriorates your body as sort of like a
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: like the cost of using them i i always i
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: like i always took it i always took it as
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: like a like, an allegory for, like, drug use. Oh, absolutely.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: That's why they always call it, I'm using, I'm using.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: But it's also, like, one of the most weakly explained
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: power scaling systems ever. Like, we don't know why Caleb
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: is the most powerful. He just is.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Well, because he's closest to his ascension. Everyone else is
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: behind him in time, so the reason he's the most
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: powerful is because he is coming up to that ascension
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: because your powers just get stronger up until that point,
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: and then you ascend, and then you're God Mode Tier 2,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I guess. I don't fucking... Yeah, they don't explain it
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: very well. They really don't explain it very well. I
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: kind of wish they did.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: It's very Dragon Ball Z of them with all their
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Super Saiyan modes.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Right, and it also reminded me, when using your powers
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: kind of drains you, Wow, is it Stephen King? Is
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: it Firestarter? Is that the thing I'm thinking of? There's
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: a story out there that's very, yeah, I think it is.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: I think it is Firestarter because What's-Her-Face's dad, I can't
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: remember the names right now. he uses his powers and
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: it drains him and he gets these headaches and he just,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: he doesn't age, but it takes an effect on him.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: So it kind of reminded me of Firestarter in that
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: way regarding the powers here where it's like, you do
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: it too much, you're gonna age like William Danvers III
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: dead who's looking like, what's his face from Star Wars?
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: The Palpatine. Yeah, Palpatine. Do it. He's like, this is
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: my dad, he's 44. Do it. Yeah, he's 44. I
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: was like, goddamn, that man is near death. He looks
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: like he's in his 100s. What happened to this man?
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: You say like, holy shit. So I really liked that
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: element of it because, and this is how we're going
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: to transition into the fucking, the influences here because the
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: influences are not subtle at all. Obviously I'm going to
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: get to Harry Potter. Cause that's one of them. The
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: craft being the most direct influence on this movie, except.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: This is goth sad boy. The craft. Yeah, this is,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: this is new metal craft for the boys, right?
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Exactly, yeah, because instead of a group, like a coven
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: of witches, it's a group of dudes who are, you know,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: descendants of all of these families. So the craft is
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: the biggest influence here, which leads me into Star Wars. Now,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: follow me here for a second. Phantom Menace released in 99,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Attack of the Clones 2002, Revenge of the Sith 2005.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: And there's one point where... I think it's chase where
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: he's like, I have everything I want. What I need
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: is more power. And all I could think of was
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: fucking Anakin from, you know, the original trilogy, just wanting
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: more and more and more powers. And with all the
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: pushing and stuff, I was like, this just feels like
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: using the force. And then we get to Harry Potter.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Of course, the movies, the sorcerer's stone, 2001, then 2002, 2004, 2005.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: So by the time this movie had come out for
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Harry Potter movies had happened. And of course the books
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: happened before that. And it really feels like somebody watched
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Harry Potter and was like, Ooh, let's take the four houses,
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: but we're going to just take one person from each
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: house and put them together. Cause they're all direct descendants
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: from like these families. And then we're going to add
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: a fifth house because, uh, we got to have the
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: bad guy. We're going to add a fifth unknown house.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: That's even worse than Slytherin. And that's going to be
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: chase because He actually, maybe he is Slytherin because he
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: wants all the power and he wants all the glory
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: and the fame from this. And I was like, the
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: direct links to Harry Potter were so undeniable. It's just
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: a dumbed down version of that lore, in my opinion.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: But when you think about it.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: It's, it's, it's let's give Harry Potter washboard abs and
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: make him like sexual. Yeah, exactly.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Exactly. And not have, you know, houses, but we'll have
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: descendants from those houses, whatever you want to call it.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: But honestly, Harry Potter is just a ripoff of Star Wars.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: If I can find the clip and it won't get copyrighted,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I'll insert that clip here. But there's a guy who
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: breaks down how basically... Yeah.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: It's... Isn't it Brennan from Dropout?
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: It might be. He explains how basically Harry Potter is
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: just a ripoff of Star Wars. And the points he
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: makes are... Very, very on point. So if I can
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: find that and it won't get flagged, I'll throw it
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: in here. If not, you can easily go search like
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Harry Potter Star Wars comedy bit and you'll see. Very
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: on point. So those are definitely some influences and maybe
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: even the original Twilight book because that came out in 2005.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: The movie wouldn't come out until 2008, but it just
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: feels like this weird amalgamation of the craft Star Wars,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Harry Potter, and possibly Twilight. It's like they just took
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: all of those and threw it into a blender and
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: just fucking hit puree and then they poured out a
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: very very poorly made smoothie and um it's not a
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: bad thing per se but you can really tell where
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: it's gotten its influences from i like i said i
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: don't feel it's very subtle but i still had a
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: great time with it so we have the Ipswich boys,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: like I already mentioned, we've already talked about them. And
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: then of course we have Kate dating Pogue and Sarah
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: dating Caleb. Those are the two, those are all the
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: main people. And then, um, I really liked the idea of,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: like I said, I do like the story in a sense.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: I wish they explained more, but the idea of these
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: four families forming a covenant to kind of keep their silence,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: like The Ipswich boys aren't really inherently bad. You know,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: I know Reed, I think, is probably like the darkest one,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I would say. He's kind of like the bad boy
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: of the group. But they're not really using their powers
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: for bad. And then, of course, Chase is the, you know,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: just the demon.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: So I would say... that for a secret covenant, they
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: are not doing a very good job. This is a
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: private college town that they live in, and they are
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: running into semis. They are leading the cops on a.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Cliffs of Massachusetts chase because those exist and they are
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: very casually and very publicly flaunting their powers. Like does
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: nobody in town realize, yo, there's a bunch of like
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: weird shit that happens when these four boys are around. Like,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Have you ever noticed we'll be in a completely shut
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: bar and people's skirts will just get drafted up? Or
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: have you ever seen them driving with the top down
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: in their car and no one's hair is moving? Well, yeah.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: They don't hide it very well. Yeah, it's so out
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: in the open. And it's like, how does not a
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: single townsperson go, those guys are fucking weird. What's up
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: with these guys?
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: These guys are strange. But like I'm saying, they don't
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: really use, they're not, I don't think they're really bad necessarily.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: They just don't really. No, they're not bad.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: They're just hot teen boys. Like their sense of morality
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: is still in hot teen boy territory.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: That is very fair. So yeah, yeah. So I don't
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: think they're necessarily bad. Of course, Chase is the bad
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: one here. And the thing that kind of sets all
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: of this off is the opening, which is great. I mean,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: they really waste no time kind of getting into the
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: story because at that bonfire, you get introduced to Sarah,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: who's a new student, and then Chase, who is this
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: mysterious newcomer who makes himself quickly known to the group.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: And then the police arrive. So the boys, you know,
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: they have that fun car chase. And then afterwards, a
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: student is found dead near the academy. And Caleb suspects
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Reed of this because Reed has a reputation for being reckless.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Like I said, he's probably the most dangerous one of
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: the bunch. But that is what kind of sets off
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: the chain of events that would come or that would
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: happen throughout the rest of the movie is this. kid
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: dying and of course we find out who that is
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: i mean i knew who it is once once chase
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: started showing up more and more i was like okay
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: clearly he's some sort of villain clearly he probably had
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: something to do with the death uh he's too suspicious
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: i mean that could just be me what i mean
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: when you i don't know if you can remember when
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: you first saw this but It's pretty obvious that Chase
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: is the bad guy, right? Or is that just me
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: being able to pick up on shit?
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Well, and they also sort of kind of maybe set
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: it up that it could be Sarah because she is
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: also new to the area. She transferred in from a
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: public so she could do a couple semesters and then
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: go off to Harvard. So, and I totally thought rewatching
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: this for the first time in 15 years that there
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: was like some sort of honeypot situation going on with Sarah.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I quickly realized, yeah, like I thought she was there
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: as like a distraction to lure out. And then I
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: realized I'm mixing that up with some other movie that
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: I can't remember.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Perfect. I always love when that happens. I love when
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: that happens. You're like, what is that movie?
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: But I mean, yes, Chase is definitely like the main
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: guy UI, but because of Sarah's just like willingness to
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: be around and put herself in situations, there is a
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: little bit of maybe it's Sarah. Maybe there's an actually
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: a girl witch or maybe she's like a witch hunter
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: or something. Who knows?
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Well, and there's also that moment too, where I don't,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: they call him something else for lack of a better term.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: The Dean calls Caleb in, I believe, or one of the, yes,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: the provost, the provost. Yeah. He calls one of the boys.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: And I think it's Kayla, but it could be the
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: fucking Pogo. I don't know, but they found his ID
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: in the back of the dead.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: They find Chase's ID.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, it is Chase's. Okay.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Caleb gets called into the office because the provost says
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: that Chase's adoptive family left the school a lot of money.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: So treat him nice.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right. So, yeah. Okay. Then that's when I
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: was like, well, it's Chase. Because what? What, is someone
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: planting that there on him? I mean, I guess maybe
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: that was their idea to try to lead you.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they set it up to be Reed.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, I guess they are kind of setting
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: it up to be Reed, but it's like, what's his
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: motivation other than just being kind of dark and brooding
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: and mysterious? I mean, what's the point of killing this
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: random fucking kid? So I guess maybe that was there
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: to act as someone setting him up. But no, Chase
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: was in that car with the boy and he clearly
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: lost his ID there. And I love how the dean
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: isn't suspicious at all. The provost isn't really suspicious at all.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: He's just like, here's your ID. Chase is like, oh, thanks, bye.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: How are we not?
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: They left a generous endowment.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: True, true.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: That's why.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Fucking money, the root of all evil.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: And see, I always thought they were going to try
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: and set up Least Ledger to be the bad guy.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Least Ledger?
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he looks like a Walmart version of Heath Ledger.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Least Ledger. That's what I thought you meant. I just
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: wanted to clarify.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Because I figured if I went Leaf Ledger,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: that would have been even more confusing.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: It would be like Mike Tyson.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike Tyson.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Mike Tyson. So there is a lot in the way
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: of story here. but I don't know. I don't really
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: feel like it's too convoluted. It's almost too convoluted, but almost,
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: but at the same time, they're not explaining enough. It's
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: very strange.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: It's convoluted because they don't explain the things that they
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: should explain enough. And then over explain on things that
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: don't fucking matter.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Corey. Yeah. Corey is the little person on my shoulder
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: that knows what I want to say. And it's just like, shush, shush, shush, shush, shush. Let,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: let me say it. Yes. That's what I was trying
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: to say.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Because I don't, I don't give a fuck about
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: the John Putnam barn. And that's where the covenant happened.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: But I do give a fuck about the throwaway line of, oh,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: we haven't read the Book of Damnation since we were kids. Like,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: why are kids reading a book called the Book of Damnation?
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: And also, where is everyone else's family? That's true. We
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: get Caleb's family. Where's everyone else's family? Is everybody else's
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: family not cool with what's going on? Like, what's happening?
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: And we only really get Caleb's mom for a little
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: bit in the beginning because she's very nervous about his
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: 18th birthday and she's drinking. And then we only get
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: two scenes with Caleb Caleb's father, where he introduces Sarah
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: to his father. And then when his father's like, I
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: will my power to you. And then that's how he's
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: able to, I don't know, defeat Chase because there's no body.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: So did Chase actually die? I don't know.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Well, no, see, so here's what I think that is.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Hit me with it.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Because the ball of magic ball of energy.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: The energy balls.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The final Hadouken that Caleb does goes through him,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: goes through Chase, hits the wall of the barn, explodes
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: into fire, and then Chase... falls into the fire.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: My assumption is because that happened as the powers got
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: willed to him, somehow he just like direct teleported chase
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: to hell.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Oh my God. I love that. Okay.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Like that's cause otherwise it's, it's very much left open for, Oh,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: we're going to do a covenant to, uh, Electric Boy Boogaloo.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Electric Boy Boogaloo, yes.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: But I feel like it definitely didn't get the reception
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: to be able to do that. So you have to
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: kind of rethink it into, oh yeah, he just got
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: sent straight to hell. Because it's it's like witches and,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: and covenants of demon powers. So that's what I think
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: that is.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: I did like the lore dump of the power itself
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: when they're talking about, because chase wants Caleb's power and
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: he wants him to will it over to him. And
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: if you will over your power to someone else, after
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: you ascend, you die. And I'm like, okay. Well, and
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: I think you.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Can only will it over Once you ascend, because I
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: like the powers up until you're 18 are on like
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: a trial membership. Like you get, you get covenant powers light.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: You're not paying for the subscription until you turn 18.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: You can't, you can't password share until, until you take
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: over the payments. Bro.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: These analogies are taking me the fuck out. So good. So, yeah,
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: I did at least enjoy that lore dump. I thought
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: that was pretty cool. They mentioned something about it being
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: against the bylaws or some shit to will over power.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: It's against the covenant.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: The covenant.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: So they essentially do that because it's been these four
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: families that were able to take down Goody Pope and
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: like stop the witch trials from happening.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: In the area So these four families And if you
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: will the power away Obviously it kills one of the
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: family members And it probably creates some sort of like
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: power imbalance because now, now there's, now there's like a
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: voting majority. Like there's always a tiebreaker instead of everything
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: having to be even with four people with three people.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Now there can be a majority majority vote.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: So I, and they don't explain it. They just kind
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: of say, Hey, here's what it is. Right. Because it's,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: it's not the, that's not the point. Again, it's sad
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: hot boys doing magic and making every other scene look
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: like a cut from a My Chemical Romance music video.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: It is definitely a product of its time, for sure.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: So the connection I wanted to mention between this movie
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: and Superstition is they both involve the year 1692. Like,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: what happened in 1692 for realsies? Because I'm wondering why
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: both of these movies specifically cite, is that like the
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: start of the Salem Witch Trials, 1692 or something?
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: I think so. It's either the year they started or
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: the year they ended. Which, by the way, Salem Witch
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Trials only lasted for one year. So really? Yeah. It
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: all took course over like a year and a couple
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: of days.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Let's see here. Starting year of, okay. Yeah, there you go.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: There you go. January 1692 is that's when it began.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: And then it looks like may 1963 is when it ended.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: So yeah, about a year. So what?
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Okay. Oh, Salem Witch Trials. I thought... Okay, never mind.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: I thought there was something in the title that suggested
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: multiple years.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Also, my one biggest gripe of this entire movie is
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: so nitpickingly personal.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I bet it's the same as mine.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Please tell me.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: How the fuck are we in Massachusetts with not a single...
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: God damn accent of any kind.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Not a single one.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Not a single one.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: Where's the fucking Boston accent with a pack in the cars?
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Where is it? I need to know. Like, even just
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: some sort of a New England accent, I would have accepted.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Not a single one calling anyone Caleb or Poog.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Fucking Pogo. Yeah, that was one of the things that
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: was driving me mad throughout the entire movie. It's like,
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: we don't have one Boston accent in Massachusetts. Is it Ipswich, Massachusetts?
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Is that where they're at?
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be Ipswich, Massachusetts.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Still, though. I assume most of Massachusetts has some sort
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: of an accent. I don't think it's just strictly related
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: to Boston. I don't know. I don't live there.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Boston just has that really comically bad one.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Um, so let's see what else we're going to say.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Of course, we have to talk about how funny Chase
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: is as an overall character. It's crazy to me. It
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: is obscene, insane to me that this is the same
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: man who plays Bucky Barnes. He is arguably not good
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: in this movie. He is definitely earning the paycheck by committing.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: But man, every time he spoke, I was like, gee,
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: is this how the character was written? Or were you
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: just not really fully fleshed in acting yet?
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Because- Yeah, they gave him, on his character call sheet,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: they just gave him the Merriam-Webster dictionary definition of smarmy.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: And they said, deliver every line with this.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: And it's so funny because there were some bits of
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: dialogue that were really good. But then he said things like,
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: I'm going to make you my wee-otch. And then he
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: did that fucking Miss Muffet analogy. And I'm like, you're
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: a fucking cartoon character. Who are you?
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: And then he kisses Caleb on the mouth.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes. It's very strange.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's, it's, it's very homoerotic at times. It's very,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: it's very like some of it almost feels like drag
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: level of intensity, like put on a show forum girl.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: Type of, yeah, it really felt like that's what it was.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, it really did. And, um, like I said,
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, I, I like the character of Chase. I
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: like what he's going for. But yeah, the dialogue they
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: must have given him just must have been rough. An
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: actor can only do so much when you're given the
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: script and how the director is wanting you to convey that.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: There's only so much you can do unless they let
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: you ad-lib, which I'm assuming there probably wasn't much ad-libbing
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: in this movie. I feel like they stuck pretty close
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: to the script here. So that was, he was strange.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: Another issue I had with the movie is, you know,
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: they mentioned the Book of Damnation in the beginning opening text.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: I want to know more about that. They show the
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: book a few times as well, but like, I want
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: to know what this is. I want to hear more
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: about this lore, about this mythology. What's going on with
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: this book? Why are you reading it at 13? Tell
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: me more. Like, and then for some.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Reason- Also, why does- Why do we only pull it
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: off the shelf and open it with magic in the
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: most non-useful reading circle ever? Like, okay, so to read it,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: we have to set fire to the floor because we're
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: in some dungeon with enough candles to power a small city.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: There was a lot of candles in there. Aesthetically great,
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: but also, like, it must have been a thousand degrees
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: on set in there. So, yeah, I wanted to know
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: more about the book itself, The Book of Damnation. That's
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: actually a really cool fucking name. It's a cool-looking book,
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: even though it was mostly CG. And they're pulling it
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: off the shelf Harry Potter style, how people put books
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: up in Harry Potter. They're taking them down that way.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: So of course this movie struggles from a lot of things,
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: but I don't know if it was the fact that
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: everyone was taking this so seriously, but as a third party,
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: it's objectively hilarious. Cause I love those types of movies.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: I love when that's my favorite type of movie. When
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: a premise is so serious in tone and everyone is
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: not like winking at the camera or They're not doing
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: a little, Oh, jab, jab. Everyone is fucking serious about
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: the situation. And as a third party, I'm like, this
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: is hilarious. Like, this is so funny.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: And it does feel at times like certain characters were
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: not told. they weren't given like direct or, or if
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: they were given direction, it was opposite direction of the
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: character they were in front of. Because let me tell you,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: the guy that played care, uh, Caleb Danvers, uh, not
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: a single emotion outside of brood. Like even, even when
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: he's upset about Sarah getting possessed by spiders, uh, he's
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: still just brooding. Yeah. Throw him into a bathroom mirror, brooding,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: going to see his dad brooding or like read, uh,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Just be a blonde asshole. Be a emo bowl cut
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: blonde asshole.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: You're the redheaded stepchild of this family.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Or the fourth guy that got four lines of dialogue
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: the entire movie.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: The guy with the motorcycle?
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: No, no, that's Pogue. The other one.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He got like four lines.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the other one that looks like Mikey Wave from
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: fucking My Chemical Romance without the glasses. Just everybody got
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: different acting notes and none of them matched.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: It's like the Blair Witch where they were given notes
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: every day and you need to act this way, you
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: need to act this way. It's like they did that
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: for this movie.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Except in Blair Witch, they did it on purpose to
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: give you that sense of anxiety.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: With this, it was.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: just like the director goes, oh, he's good at this
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: one thing. He's gonna do this one thing. And we're not,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: this is the only way we can get a possible
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: performance out of him.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: Honestly, the only characters who weren't one-dimensional were Chase, Kate,
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: And Sarah, everyone, all the boys were pretty, the four
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Ipswich boys were pretty one-dimensional when it came to emotions.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: At least Sarah and Kate had some sort of a
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: range and Chase, although he wasn't the great, like the
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: strongest performance, he also had a range because he comes
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: in trying to be friendly at first and then eventually,
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: you know, becomes the villain along the way. So, uh, yeah,
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: they're very one-dimensional characters. So again, a lot of problems
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: with this movie, a lot of issues, you know, it's
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: not perfect, but I just had a blast with it.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: I did find some good, I picked up on a lot.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: There's honestly shocking amount of themes that are going on
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: in this movie, in my opinion, because you have like
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: the power and privilege, the sons already are part of
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: this elite family and they have magic and blah, blah, blah.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: Addiction is the biggest one, I think, because, you know,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: Chase's dependence on this power turns an inherited gift into
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: this destructive compulsion. It really felt like an allegory for,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, at least for me as a, you know,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: as a recovering alcoholic felt like an allegory for alcoholism
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: and how it can be passed down, you know, her,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: her leg.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: So it really felt like that. You've also got this
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: inherited trauma, you know, William's psychological deterioration shapes Caleb's fears
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: of becoming his father, uh, friendship and sacrifice. You know,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: Caleb refuses to let his friends die for him while
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: William ultimately chooses to sacrifice himself for his son. You've
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: got the temptation of control, uh, And you've got coming
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: of age. I mean, there's honestly a shocking amount of
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: pretty solid theming going on here. It's kind of buried
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: under a very wonky story, but it's still there. So
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: I was kind of impressed they were able to interject
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: that many themes into one movie without it feeling like
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: an overload of like, all right, let's tone this down
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: just a bit. But that's just me.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: The one and most prevalent theme out of all of
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: it How to be a young man and make an
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: overcoat look badass.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: Who was wearing the overcoat?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: They all, at one point, wear some type of overcoat.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, sorry, yeah.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: And then they, like, pose in a doorway or fucking
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: sit down and you've got this, like, lapel fucking... Hunting
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: jacket when they're in the fucking... When they're in the
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: pit under the.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: Whatever house. Under the barn. Under the barn, yeah.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: For the Book of Damnation. Like, they all at some
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: point style a fucking jacket.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: And now that you mentioned that, I think I found
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: another inspiration for this movie. It's like the aesthetic from
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: Lost Boys filtered through a new metal gothic emo lens.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's new. That is what this movie is. This
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: movie is new metal Lost Boys.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: 100%. It's new metal Lost Boys with the little touch
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: of the craft. That's what this movie is.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: They said, you know what's sexier than shirtless muscle saxophone?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: New metal Fred Durst and static X are sexier than the,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: than the saxophone.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: Man and white zombie as well. Yeah. I mean this,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: this also just appeals to me because of the timeframe
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: of when I got into horror was around this area.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: So I ultimately, this is my soft spot for movies,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: good or bad. I just enjoy the aesthetic because there
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: was a lot of fun they were having with movies and,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: I think I mentioned this somewhere already. My memory is
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: terrible this month because there's so much going on, but
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: you know, like in saw, they had those, there's the
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: very green kind of tent to it. And even some
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: other movies, I think like Texas chainsaw massacre remake kind
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: of had this just like, greenish tint. This one had
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: a bluish tint. I don't know. They were just having
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: fun in the mid two thousands. And it's just a
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: soft spot for me because I got into it around 2004, 2005.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: This was 2006. And by all accounts, I would say,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say this is bad. I wouldn't say it's good,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: but I'm not going to give it a 2.5. I like,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: I'm going to give it, this is, I have come
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: to this decision that I'm going to give this from
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: a heart rating with the enjoyment that I have, despite
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: its flaws and probably going to irritate people, but whatever.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: At this point, just like you said, it's a very
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: of the time.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: I feel like at this time, uh, certain techniques and
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: equipment and knowledge become, became much more readily available to
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: everyone in the industry. So some people who maybe shouldn't
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: have used, uh, some of these things to create something
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: because it's, it's like, Ooh, let me just do this.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Cause I have it without using whatever they were using.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: The movie would have still worked perfectly well.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: But now you've just got another layer on top of it.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it really works like the whole scene where, uh,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Caleb's driving his car. very ugly soft top 2006 Mustang. Um,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: and he rams into the logging truck and it like
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: slow-mo breaks apart and recompiles itself together. That's fucking sick.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: But then you get, you know, 10 minutes later and
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: the whole motorcycle scene with Pogue and, uh, chase and
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: you're like, all right, well, that's kind of dumb.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: So, and, and this is, this is during the time
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: where we were still pretty prevalent, uh, using film in
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: the two thousands, like this was shot on an, uh,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: RE flex two 35, 35 millimeter camera. It was super
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: 35 and, uh, using Panavision cameras and lenses, uh, aspect
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: ratio 2.35 to one. So we were still using film.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: And yeah, we had access. I'd say this is when
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: we were getting access to just much or, or the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: access to these things were much more easier to get.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: Like they have a lot of jib shots in this,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: like flying jib shots. I don't think we had drones
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: to do camera stuff back in 2006. And if we did,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: they were in their infancy. There's a lot of overhead
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: like flying shots that I'm assuming they use probably a
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: helicopter for. They probably use ATVs at some point when
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: they're doing the chase through the woods. There are some
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: aerial shots that I'm assuming they use helicopters for. They
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: use a lot of stuff that really wasn't necessary. But honestly,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: it added to the aesthetic because I was like, They're
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: just going for it with this. I mean, that's what
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: happens when you get a $ 20 million budget and probably
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: spend a million of it on the cast because it's
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: really a cast of, I wouldn't say nobody's, but I mean,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know. They don't really come to, they don't
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: seem like A-listers to me. Yeah, no.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: I do want to know what their fucking rain machine
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: budget was.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: The rain machine budget?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: Was it all?
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Because like, Every other scene in this movie is raining.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: It's raining or foggy. No, no.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: So it's raining. It's raining. When Sarah gets attacked by spiders,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: it's raining. When Kate gets attacked by spiders, it's raining. When, uh,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Caleb goes into the barn, uh, It's raining when they're going,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: it's about to start raining when they're going to the
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: fall festival. It starts raining when the windows get blown
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: out of any car, really. It was a lot of windows.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: It's raining a fucking lot.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: I think the thing is, is a lot of the
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: raining takes place while everyone's inside and there's not too
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: much of it outside. But now that you mentioned it,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: there is a lot of lightning as well, especially in
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: the third act. It's lightning for like most of the
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: third act and raining. So yeah. Yeah. Uh, like it
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: just kind of leans into the blue environment of this world,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: but I don't know. I quite enjoyed this. I own it.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: I did buy it for like 699. It's definitely one
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: I'm going to keep. The wife loves it as well.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: She thinks it's just overly ridiculous and a lot of fun. Uh,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: and I don't really think I have much else to say.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: I think I got everything out. I wanted to say
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: anything you did that we didn't get to that you
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: wanted to touch on. No, not really.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is kind of one of those movies
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: that you, no matter how much or how little you
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: know about it, you just kind of got to sit
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: with it and let it happen and then develop your
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: opinion of it afterwards. If you go into it with
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: a less critical mindset, you're going to have way more
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: fun with it. Unfortunately, this time I did sit down
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: with it and watch it as, okay, let me like,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: break down and analyze this movie. So my rating, this
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: go around is going to be a much more strict.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: That's fair.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: Then it, then it would have been when I suggested
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: it originally.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: Cause I suggested it originally solely from heart, soul and vibes.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: And as I watched it, I was like, Hmm, heart,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: soul and vibes cannot carry this movie. Yeah.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: And, uh, that kind of leans into a topic. I
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: I'd love to discuss it at a different point, but how,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: How nostalgia can really warp your perception of if a
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: movie is actually good or not.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, and age, too. Because, you know, this movie came
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: out in 2006. I'm 12 or 13. Yeah, I'm 16.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Maybe 14 years old. So like.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: At the time, this is the coolest fucking shit I've
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: ever seen.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Like, I like leather jackets and motorcycles and new metal.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: That's what this movie is.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: It also felt like one fucking long advertisement for the
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: Ford Mustang because they reintroduced that in 2005. So it
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: really felt just like one long advertisement for that car.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: But yeah, they also had a cool motorcycle scene as well.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: There was a lot of good car chases or car
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: scenes in this. But if that's all we have, I
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: think we shall go to the final cut here. All right.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: There are a few taglines here. Only the power of
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: hell can help them. Don't like that. Four have the power.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: One will stop at nothing to possess it. Not too bad.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: To save the future, they must battle their past.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Eh.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: In 1692, five families with un... That's too long. That's
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: not a tagline. That's a description. Fucking moving on. Trivia.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: Caleb's last name is Danvers. Danvers is the name of
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: a city in northeastern Massachusetts, only 10 miles from Ipswich,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: where the movie is set. Danvers is also a modern
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: name of Salem Village, the real center of the so-called
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: Salem Witch Hysteria of 1692 to 1693. The outside Danvers mansion.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: Which is always seen from afar, is actually a derelict
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: water purification facility with some window lighting and greenery added
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: by the production team. Fun fact.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: A wire flying rig was used for various visual elements,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: and it was actually created by Cirque du Soleil. It
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: was the first time used in a film production. So
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: we've got some, like, what is it, wuxia? Wuxia? Is
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: that what the term is in, like, martial arts movies?
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: The wuxia or whatever? I don't know. I can't remember
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: what it's called. So yeah, we've got some wire effects
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: in here. Pretty fucking dope. In the DVD commentary, the
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: director says that the CG steam had to be added
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: in the shower room scene as some full frontal nudity
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: was visible and they were aiming for a PG-13 rating.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: Notice that. That's why there's a lot of butts. And
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: Sarah's last name is Wenham, also a northeastern Massachusetts town
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: not far from Ipswich.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: Goofs!
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: In one of the classroom scenes, the instructor states that
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: the first 12 amendments proposed to the U.S. Constitution, 10
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: were eventually ratified. In fact, 11 have been ratified. The
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: 27th Amendment was ratified in 1992, more than two centuries
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: after it was written. Okay, cool. The opening scenes of
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: the movie showing the beach party show large cliffs on
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: the edge of an ocean, which do not exist in Ipswich.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: The town has a couple hills, but is mostly flat.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: The shoreline is especially characterized by wide sand beaches and marshland.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: And last here, when the doctor is talking about what
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: is wrong with Kate, he says, it's like she was
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: bitten by hundreds of insects, like spiders. Spiders aren't insects,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: and a medical doctor should know that. They're arachnids. Good lord.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: Rated 5.2 out of 10 on IMDb for our purposes
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: of the Nightmare Index. That's a 2.31. Sorry, 2.6 out
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: of 5. 2.31 on Letterboxd. A whopping, this might be
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: the lowest one ever, 4% on the Tomatometer, but wildly
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: contrasted with a 62% audience score. So what did you
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: give this, Corey?
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, I am going to predicate this rating with I
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: do truly love this movie. It holds a place in
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: my heart. However, objectively, it is not a, quote, good movie.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: So I gave it a realistic 2 out of 5.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Because it's not bad, but it's not good enough to
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: be at that, like, 3, and the CG is bad
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: enough to where I can't give it a 2.5. Like,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: I was watching that CG end sequence, and I'm like,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: this is.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: This is, and then the whole like character getting knocked
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: into the air and you can very clearly see, like
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: you can't see the wires, but I can very clearly
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: tell you are in a wire ring just floating around.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: So my critical brain says two and a half because
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's really, you know, it's by technical standards.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: It's not really good. It's not really bad. My heart
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: is telling me a four. And I don't know how
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: to split the difference here because halfway between would be
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: like a 3.25. So I guess I'll just round up
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: and we'll just go 3.5. And that is solely based
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: on the time I had with it, ignoring the errors,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: ignoring my problems. It was a great time. That's what
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: I'll leave it at.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's, it's, it's like going to a fucking new
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  Speaker 1: metal concert.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Is the music always going to be great? No, but
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  Speaker 1: you're going to have a good time, right? Like the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: people watching is fun. Maybe you'll do some moshing. Who knows?
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  Speaker 3: All right, so that leaves us with a 2.827 out
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  Speaker 3: of 5, which is going to sit just above Frankenstein's
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: Army at 2.78 out of 5 and just below The
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: Love Witch at a 2.91 out of 5. I think
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: that's actually a pretty accurate place for this movie. So
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: similar movies, according to IMDB, we have a lot of
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  Speaker 3: shit I've never even heard of. Red Doors. Okay. The
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: Magic of Passion.
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  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 3: Beautiful Creatures I have heard of. Red Riding Hood. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know fucking which one. There's a lot of them.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: And then The Craft, which of course I've heard of.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: Similar movies, according to Letterboxd, we have The Craft, The
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: Craft Legacy, Beautiful Creatures, The Mortal Instruments, City of Bones, okay,
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  Speaker 3: and Twilight. Let's do some funny reviews and get the
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  Speaker 3: hell out of here. I brought a lot because you
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: said we're probably going to have some overlap, so I
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: have like seven or eight, but I'll let you go first.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: I've got six.
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  Speaker 3: All right, I'll let you go first, and I'll start
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  Speaker 3: deleting if we have any crossover. What do you got?
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  Speaker 1: A one star from Lord Dan.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, deleting.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: This is a movie about four man witches who have
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: to take on a fifth man witch in a magic
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: bubble fight. There is also a butt.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: There's a few buts. All right, two and a half
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: stars from Anthony. Do you have that one? No. Okay, cool.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: Two and a half stars from Anthony. The Lost Boys
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: meets The Craft, but gayer. And that's not, I don't
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: mean that derogatorily. I'm, or, you know, I'm just reading.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's any problem with that. I'm assuming
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: this person is just joking. It's probably not derogatory. I
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: don't know them, but I'm, I'm.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Every time, every time there was like a pool scene
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: or a locker room scene, Jessica would clue in and
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: she'll go, I take back everything bad I said about
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: this movie.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: Can we just have an extensive scene in this locker room?
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: All right, what'd you got next?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: A four star and a heart from patron Lindsay recommend
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: to anyone who wants to see a bunch of gay
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: little witch boys kissing each other and smirking and throwing bubbles.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: Throwing, throwing bubbles is diabolical. I love it. Uh, this
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: is from pro member Kate with no hearts, no rating. So, uh, yeah,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: but the, her review makes sense. One of those kinds
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: of movies, that's both a one star and five stars simultaneously. Um,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: Very accurate.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: A one star from patron Andrew Jupin.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, deleting.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: So many people had to say yes to so much
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: for this to exist as it does. Incredible.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: They really did. All right. We've got one and a
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: half stars from Harriet. I have got to stop thirst
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: watching shit for actors, man.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: I almost picked that.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: Perfect. Perfect. What else you got?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: A half star from Angela Faragudo makes Twilight look like
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Citizen Kane.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: Half star from Simone Ramshaw. Quote, I'm going to make
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: you my Wee-otch, unquote. And then they just spell out Wee-otch.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, goodness.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: A three star or a three and a half star
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: and a heart from patron Travis. This is a cult
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: classic film for the gays. I said what I said.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Moving on.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: All right. My last one. One and a half star
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: from Rudy. Sebastian Stan, take off your black eye contact
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: and your emo leather boots and come talk to me.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: I say keep them on. All right. That's all I got.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: Anything else?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a half star from a patron called
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: Elena with a little heart. And I am going to
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: predicate this review by saying that this is the most fun.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: Fallout Boy song title of a review I've ever seen.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: What if we kissed in your bathroom with your dying
• 1:18:17
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• 1:18:19
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• 1:18:22
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• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: both boys?
• 1:18:27
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