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WHY DRUG TESTING IS BULLSHIT!! And other Wild HR Stories from Barely Legal HR (AUDIO ONLY) · Barely Legal HR

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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we're going.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you asked me if, you know, anything memorable happened today.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I suppose so.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't think so originally, and then I just as I started thinking about some of my stories about reasonable suspicion.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's lots of companies that will randomly drug test.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's lots of companies that only do so under reasonable suspicion.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I've worked for some companies that will randomly drug test, and then some that will only do so maybe pre-employment.
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  SPEAKER_00: You would think not in the hospitality restaurant industry, right?
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: You would think not in, you know, remote jobs, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: But you'd be surprised.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it sucked, as I was kind of saying earlier, it sucked that I would be in the two companies we had to randomly drug test or pre-employment drug test.
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  SPEAKER_00: In two of the hotel chains, management chains that I worked for, I actually had to sit there while they swabbed their mouth.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's so invasive and it's so it's just embarrassing.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's humiliating on both sides because I'm here trying to tell you, oh, it's great, like I'm your friend, and you know, I, you know, this is why it's so cool to work here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hey, uh, I need you to swab your mouth because of whatever you're, you know, you don't seem like you're doing anything, you don't exhibit any behaviors.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know you from Adam, but um, you know, I need you to, I need you to uh put this inside your asshole and show me what you've done the last how many long however long.
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  SPEAKER_00: But we would sit there and, you know, if I'm being honest, like sometimes stuff would come back.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like it might say someone smoked weed or something.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here's why, with um pre-employment or reasonable suspicion, if somebody is doing the testing on site, I think that's what's fascinating these days, is companies want to save money, they would rather not send that to a testing lab, something that is reputable, say Quest or DLO or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, they don't want to spend that kind of money and they don't want to go through that hassle.
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  SPEAKER_00: They'd rather do a swab test.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that was a couple of the companies I worked for.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh I remember I had one GM of a hotel chain though, they always bugged him, hey, you know, we're gonna do drug tests, you have to get on board, do drug tests for your how many hotels?
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: And he kept saying, absolutely not, because if I did, we wouldn't have a staff, which is yeah, he's completely right.
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  SPEAKER_00: We all have our vices, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, for me myself as a weed smoker, I was elated, but I agreed with that sentiment.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, again, just judge people on their performance.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh it sucks to be like, oh, hey, you know, you're doing a stellar job and you've been here 12 years, but we're just gonna randomly see what you did this weekend has nothing to do with your metrics, your performance evaluations.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just hey, come here for a second.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_00: And then we would lose really good people.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know how hard it is to keep people in those industries?
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's insane.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it would always be shocking too when we would do that with tenured employees who seem like, you know, Puritans, and then like it comes back for weed.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: And it almost like 99% of the time it was weed, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because that stays in your system longer.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then very rarely was it something else.
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  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, getting back to just the the risk I see involved with hey, let's test people on site, which I hate that they put that on the HR people, you know, that are that are there on site.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's again, it's humiliating for both parties, just want to say.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so there's lots of reasons that this is a problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: In fact, many hotels now are, and and we did have lots of reasonable suspicion issues.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of them have breathalyzers on site for those issues.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: Let me ask you this: what if they don't calibrate, recalibrate that breathalyzer?
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's not an end-all be-all, right?
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, what if someone say doesn't take a picture of the result?
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  SPEAKER_00: What if someone isn't trained to utilize the device?
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's so many things that can go wrong.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: What if a manager says that they had this person blow, but they blew for them?
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of what I'm getting at is like there's so many ways when you're doing it on site, that there's so many ways that, well, what if?
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's a level of trust with your manager, your HR person.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: But what if?
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll be honest, there were a couple times that um, you know, I knew this girl.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: I was trying to help her in prison work release, and she she failed for almost everything.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I really wanted to help her get a job.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: She was with some programs that I felt strongly about, some you know, nonprofit programs.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm really trying to help her.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know she's a good woman, and she was a hard worker, but she failed for everything.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, I just kind of was like, Well, you passed.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: Because I was given that authority to go, oh, okay.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we didn't keep the test.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: I would just, you know, throw it away and okay, you're good.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: And she was good for a while.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: They were really sad when she stopped showing up, and I was too.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: She just I don't know where she is now, but I you know, bless her.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's sad.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um there were other situations where I had this GM, okay, of another hotel, and the difference they had there, which again still isn't perfect, they had to swab on site, but I still had to send it in to the testing place, which is a little better, right?
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you you send it to a testing site, it's like, okay, well, they actually tested it.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: But what if well, tell the story?
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll call my manager Bob, right?
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_00: GM.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: And let me tell you something else first.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: Let me make very clear.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: It is never random.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's never random.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: It always seemed to be somebody that was a problem, maybe someone that was younger, maybe someone that, you know, just had made complaints recently, or complaints would come in about them.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: Boom.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: This these are the people that are on the list.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: Now I didn't choose that.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_00: That was corporate.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying from my experience, I have never experienced where it was really random.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um it was very rare that it seemed random.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: So, so Bob calls me into the office.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I'd even seen the list come out yet.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because he was a pothead, so was I.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: We had we exchanged weed with each other.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: He was disappointed when I went to Colorado, because this was way back in the day.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: He was disappointed because I got him one of those cards that said a little pot from Colorado, and it had like a little pot, little small clay pot.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I thought it was funny.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, don't tell anyone, you know, here's this, here's this.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, You got me some pot.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you really didn't bring anything back.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, no, dude, I'm not stupid.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: And it was anyway.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: He'd toss me like, you know, half an ounce or an ounce when I had to stay at the hotel for the weekend to be a manager on duty.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: He's a good dude.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, so he's checking that thing, and he calls me in his office.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's Monday morning right away, bright and early.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: He's like sweating.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he looks like John Goodman.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: He was pretty terrifying, honestly.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: And he was like, I just came up on the drug test list.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, okay.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: And he goes, What the fuck are you going to do about it?
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, you know, because I'm the one who's supposed to take be there and witness the swabbing and take it in.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm kind of sweating bullets too.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: So we were just talking about it, and I was like, Well, you know, can you like, can your dog take it?
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, can we just put it in your dog's mouth and like switch it around?
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but apparently I think, you know, we we were Googling, like looking up, like, what can they tell?
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: What can they not?
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: And there has to be like certain uh certain, I don't know, uh things in your saliva, you know, that they could tell.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I was like, just uh just wait a few days, man.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have to do it today.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: I can wait a week and it'll be out of your saliva.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's only in there for like three, five days max.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, no, that's not possible.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: No, I can't do that.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, dude, come on.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm trying to, you know.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, what if we got someone else to do it?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: He was like, this is terrible.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, you know, one of our like non-English speaking employees.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: One of the what?
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: Non-English speaking employees.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we bring them in, they don't know what's going on, you know, we just do this.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: And he goes, What about Carlos, who does the landscaping?
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: I go, that's the stupidest idea ever.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna get a Mexican to try and not test positive for weed.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: This is the part we need to pay.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: I said, that's the worst idea.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I don't know, he was just losing it, freaking out, blah, blah, blah.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: But point being, it was like the next day, two days later, he brought me, he brought me the swab and the little thing in the vial.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, send this off.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Okay, man.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I will tell you, like those mouthwashes and stuff, they don't, they don't work.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, the fake urine, like they're testing for urea.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and if it's very precise, and like, I mean, I know that I've heard it's hit or miss with a lot of those, but like it just trust me, listeners that are anti-HR and uh learning how to get the cheat codes, don't bargain with those because some work, supposedly, some don't, but that's that's hearsay on my part.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: There's plenty of people that it doesn't work either, so it's not worth it.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: Don't, you know, I I would not recommend it.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so reasonable suspicion um is often done where so you know, manager, supervisor, some other employee has to needs to observe something.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I'm gonna talk about risk because people will, you know, report like somebody's doing drugs, you know, somebody's doing this and that.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: Again, if you're doing it on site, there's many ways to get around that.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: If you have friends in high places or think tools are not good, whatever, right?
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: And some you know, hotels were like, oh, if you want to combat these results, we can send it on to um extra testing, but that would take more time, you'd be suspended, blah, blah, blah.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, most people wouldn't want to go through that process.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so folks that have reasonable suspicion, at least our policies, from everywhere else I've been, are like, okay, somebody observes it, they observe erratic behavior, you know, red eyes, not being able to focus, they're slurring their speech, they're um just not acting like themselves, maybe they're fatigued or extra high energy.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: There's all these different behaviors you can check for.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, many places have like a checklist if you want to enact that.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: And they usually rely on like at least one other person's say so.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: That yeah, I'm also observing these behaviors.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, this person's acting erratically, this person smells like something, this person, you know, yeah, just just uh there's lots of different ways that you can go about it and say, okay, they may be under the influence.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: If they're under the influence, supposedly you have two witnesses, then you are supposed to have them go for a drug test.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: And that is the most prudent thing to do is have them go straight to a testing facility.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: Now, you probably need to have a contract or something with a relationship with a testing facility.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's step one.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: That way they're ready for you.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: They're not you're not going through all the, you know, invoicing and PO stuff and things like that right off the bat.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: You need to have a relationship with them so that you can get that done right away.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I was there one time when we were sending the guy for an alcohol test, and the coordinator fucked it up.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: And the guy was clearly drunk, at least in my opinion.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: That was it was pretty clear, and um, there were witnesses that said as such that I'd drank with him the night before.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I digressed, and we sent him for it, and the bitch didn't uh order an alcohol test, she ordered a drug test, and he passed.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: He had been with us like seven, eight years, so we had to severance him because we didn't have any proof that he was inebriated except people's observations, right?
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: So that being said, you gotta be careful about ordering the right panels, you know, is it a five-panel, nine panel, twelve panel?
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: Is it an alcohol test?
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that's important too.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so there was another time when I was a baby baby HR, and it was at a hotel, and the guy was accused of being drunk.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: We did the reasonable suspicion thing, and the guy is, you know, they go up to him and they're like, hey man, you seem high or drunk or whatever it was.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: I think they said he seemed high on something, and and he we're like, we're gonna have to drug test you, right?
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this took place kind of after around the time I had left, like about 5:30-ish, okay.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: And the guy being a chef, he knows he's gonna lose that every chef.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: Let's be real, guys.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're we're all on something if we're working in the kitchen.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so he goes absolutely not and he storms off the job.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: Now that is an automatic, you're termed, right?
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's okay, failure to abide by the policy during reasonable suspicion, you're terminated.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where it should have ended, right?
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I I or I think that was about when I was leaving, and I was like, okay, well, we're good.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: We're done.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: He's termed.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm gonna go home and you know, drink another glass of wine and cry myself to sleep every night, like I always do.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, but we're done with him.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I should, you know, and I come in the next morning and I'm like, okay, so you know, how's the paperwork on that?
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: Or, you know, blah, blah, blah.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, oh no, don't worry.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, he came back and uh we sent him for a drug test.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, are you fucking serious?
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: He came back like an hour later and then goes, Yeah, okay, I can take it now.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: And they sent him, they sent him, and they were like, well, uh, and they may have been it, you know, a couple days later.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: But they were like, well, he passed.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: And they said, of course he fucking passed.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: He went and got something, got someone else's piece, something?
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Are you serious?
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: Of course he did.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: So that was a funny one.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: That was ridiculous.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: I think we may have ended up severing it too.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: God, that was that was dumb.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because there's so much risk involved with that.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: He came back and we let him, we let him fucking take the test, even though he was refusing to do so an hour or two before.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that's that's a lot of risk there.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then he passes.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Damn it.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, not that I didn't want him to fail, but like, go by the procedure, or we look like asshats.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, yeah.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: So wrongful termination lawyer.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly, all over that shit.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, now we're gonna make you sign this agreement.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: If you want this, which is uh that's predatory, obviously, but yeah, so that's something.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: Trying to think of some others.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, suppose you were a wrongful termination lawyer, wouldn't you just like stand outside DLO and be like, hey, what are you in here for?
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, absolutely.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: Employer uh, yep.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: Pre-employment or post-employment, yeah, absolutely.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um what else?
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: So okay.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: So then getting back to my, you know, what I saw as as quote unquote good steps for reasonable suspicion, yeah.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: Then you so here's some more.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's good.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: So then you send that person for drug testing, okay?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: Now normally you get that person in Uber or the manager drives you, which is, yeah, it is embarrassing, it's humiliating.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I've had to do it.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's just like the swab thing.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: Had other managers do it.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody fucking wants to do it for obvious reasons.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: It sucks.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: You take them there.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: And uh maybe, you know, they I mean, you don't get the results usually right away, depending on what kind of test it is.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: And then you have to drive them back.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: There's the awkward drive back to the hotel or whatever site, right?
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then here's where I'm I swear to god, almost everyone messes this up, and and this is another reason why it's just it's uh it's such a clusterfuck.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, so then you um make sure that they have a ride home.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, if you're saying they're inebriated and you're sticking to that narrative that they're not safe to work, they're definitely not safe to drive home, right?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: Then why does every fucking manager miss that part?
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm always like, oh, and so um, so their car's still here, right?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: So they're so they didn't drive home, right?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: So so we got the maneuver, right?
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know, no, no! How did he get home?
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: No, I always just how did he how did he get home?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, he he drove home, he went home.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: Are you are you serious?
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like, but you thought he was too inebriated for everything else.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: I see it all the goddamn time.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, that is a very important part that is missed.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, for you anti-HR listeners here, just remember if any of those steps are missed, you have a great case.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: Or you should at least get some money out of it from a severance.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Talk to a lawyer.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right, talk to a lawyer, exactly.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: Because yeah, but that last step especially, I see that missed a lot.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: So read your handbook, read your reasonable suspicion policies, read your drug test policies.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: And again, if they test you on site, yeah, no.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's there's a lot of risk there, and they know that they're just trying to save money.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: Because when you God, back when I was in hotels, that was a long time ago.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: Over 10 years ago.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like just a urine test alone was like 80 bucks.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's gotta be twice that now.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's gotta be more than that.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the swab tests are I mean, they're they're all very expensive.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: So you know, which is unfortunate, right?
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's first of all, you know, probably at least five, six, seven times what that person makes an hour.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: All to do a drug test.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: That you know, especially pre-employment or just random.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like you're sp you're investing in uh letting that person go, and then you bitch about not having good employees, and then you bitch about turnover and no retention when someone could be doing a fantastic job, so they're investing more money, that much more money in into hoping that you don't pass because what other reason is there to do that?
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: Unless they're highly regulated, like by DOT or something, and they have to, then why would you do that?
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: Because if there's an accident at work, they will drug test you after the fact.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's just workers' comp, that's just typical, right?
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're gonna talk about safety, if you're gonna talk about safety, then do it after there's an accident or something really bad happens, right?
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: But not just because, you know, Michael has red eyes today.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, is he doing his job?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, cool.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: If he's not, I mean, I get it, but the amount of times and again, I'm really mostly against like the randoms and the pre-employment.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, congrats! You went through six interviews ever six weeks.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: You have the job, everything's good.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: But there's just one more go light up a celebratory blunt.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, oh, wait.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we need to crawl inside your veins and see what you've been doing uh recently.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: And it has nothing to do with, you know, we we think we're right with our inkling that you might be a good employee, but uh we need to, you know, see what kind of person you are.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: Which is it says nothing.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone has their fucking vices.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: Right, and most of them don't even need to show up.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: The ones that always show up, it's weed.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: And which is it's a travesty.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: Just grabbing all the potheads.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: That is God's cruel joke on us.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: And it's actually the best one for you, and it doesn't do anything bad to anyone, it's never killed anyone, you can't even OD on it.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's gonna stay in your system longer.
• 24:20
  unknown: Yeah.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, that that's my rant on reasonable suspicion and randoms and stuff.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you think it was good?
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was good tips for well, probably for both.