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UFOs, Epstein, and the Search for Truth · Bourbon & Rum

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Welcome to another episode of Bourbon and Rum.
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This is a podcast of two brothers from opposite ends of
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the spectrum. My name's Kent, I'm a rum
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drinker, and I'm from the left side of the aisle.
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And I'm Kyle. I, like bourbon, tend to be a
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little more conservative. Join us as we explore this
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experiment. Can two brothers from different
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sides of the political spectrum have a civil conversation and
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And cheers to Year 2 of bourbon and rum.
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What are you drinking? Well, I am drinking an old
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favorite here a little, EH Taylor Small Batch.
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And mainly the reason I'm drinking it is a friend of mine
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was down another part of Texas and said, hey, Specs had a bunch
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of bottles of the H Taylor. And there's been rumors because
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2016 Buffalo Trace Distillery invested like $1.5 billion to
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increase production. But you know, it takes years for
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this stuff to be done. And then at the same time, you
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know, they say that we're past the peak of bourbon, so demands
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going down. They made all these investments
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and there's all this discussion that you're going to start
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seeing. Well, EH, Taylor's kind of one
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of those Unicorn bottles that they're really hard to find.
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Well, I went to our local specs and they had 7 bottles under the
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checkout place and the guy was like, you want all 7?
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They're at retail, they're 50 bucks a bottle.
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And I'm like, I don't think I'll take all 7, but I'll take 2.
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So I took 2 bottles and I mean that's like all the bourbon
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lovers dream is you get to the point where your favorite stuff
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like you could get a bottle and it's not ridiculously priced.
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But up until now it wasn't uncommon to see these things for
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hundred $150.00 a bottle. I mean it's good bourbon, but
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it's good $50 bourbon. It's not 150.
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Dollars. What may I suggest?
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Just the nature of human beings that if you can get it
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everywhere for 50 bucks, it's not going to taste as good.
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You're going to want the one that you're going to want the
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the Black Swan. That's 150 bucks a bottle
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because that inherently tastes better.
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I don't know if I could get this in the aged in the Eagle Rare.
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I'd get rid of everything else. I mean, yeah, it there's better
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ones, but the flavor is really good.
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Cool. So.
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What are you drinking on? Well, I don't know because there
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are powers out. We got no light and so I just
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grabbed the closest bottle and poured a glass of it.
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But what I think I've got here is the pineapple rum from
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Plantar Ray that I've talked about.
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That's my best guess given the flavor of the rum and I'm
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drinking it just straight up no ice or anything because, you
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know, didn't want to open the freezer.
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So we're we're we're podcasting by candlelight here.
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Not really candlelight battery powered lamp, but power's out
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here and we're trying to get by. Well, I thought about you this
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week 'cause I I texted you, I went to you know, I'm in Texas
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and Costco here doesn't sell liquor, but I was in Phoenix and
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they do sell liquor at the Costco and they had a 20 year
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old Kirkland rum so from Panama. So I picked that up.
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I don't know what I'm drinking. I tried it but seemed OK, but
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you'll have to taste it for me and tell me if it's.
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A I'll have to check our Costco because we do have liquor here,
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but I haven't seen that. I've seen like the handle of
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Costco spiced rum and walked past it.
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But even as we speak, I think that they're wrapping up in
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Anchorage right now with the summit between Trump and Putin.
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I'll send you a pick offline, Kyle on my phone.
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My son who lives in Anchorage, went out to the airport and was
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watching the Russian diplomats planes land all day yesterday.
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So and then he was picked up on the front page of the the
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Anchorage Daily paper. Oh wow, that's awesome.
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Oh, the one thing that you know. Before we jump into it, I do
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think it's our producer had mentioned this is one year of
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the Bourbon and Run podcast, is it not?
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You are correct. This year has flown by.
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I could not believe that it was a year that we've done this.
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And yeah, just to kind of pause on that a little bit, you know,
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I'm still so flattered and grateful when people reach out
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and tell me that they listen to. We've got people that you know,
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some listen all the time, some listen once in a while, but had
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a couple of family members just the other day ping me and say
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they listen to our. What?
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Was that our our three sessions set on the Epstein thing?
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And we're not done with that, by the way, but I know.
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There's more to come. Yeah, it's just really
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meaningful that people would would listen to us and are
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really a part of it. I guess I would make a pitch,
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you know, here we are celebrating a year.
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Reach out on social media or e-mail or whatever.
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We'd just love to hear from you. What are you?
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What are you liking about it? If you've stuck with us the
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whole time, why? What can we do better?
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Yeah, Now I'm with you. I think, you know, we were
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talking about whatever favorite episodes and such.
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And I don't know what I'd love to hear from the audience is, is
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it better when we vehemently disagree or is it better when we
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agree? You know, I kind of, I've kind
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of enjoyed the last couple of weeks, to be honest, where we
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haven't been wildly apart and we've agreed on a lot of things.
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But that may not make good for good listening either.
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That may, you know, it's like, who wants to watch a movie where
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there's no conflict? I mean, what, everybody's just
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going to hold hands the whole time.
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I mean, you know, that doesn't seem very entertaining.
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We've had a couple. We've never crossed the line.
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Our our official standard of decency is no F bombs in the
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podcast. That's right.
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We had a couple that we had a couple of Oh yeah of discussions
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that we almost needed the bleep button from the producer to get
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us through. But.
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That's an interesting thought adding.
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Well, I guess you do the bleep after the fact.
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If only you could do like a live bleep.
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You just have the button on the computer.
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When I'm feeling when I'm feeling it, I'll just push the
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bleep. Yeah, yeah.
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Hey, I will also. First of all, I have just
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really, I think I've enjoyed getting to talk to you this
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frequently more than any other benefit of this thing.
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It has been really wonderful. I also want to throw a a a bone
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to the producer. She's incredible.
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I mean, I mean, I tell you, and we were talking about it last
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time we were together. I mean, she was telling me about
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it and I'm like, well, how long does it take in, you know, a few
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hours? I mean, for a hobby that's a few
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hours a week. That's a lot.
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I mean, that's a huge commitment.
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And it's my hobby. It's not even her.
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Hobby. Yeah, well, and she's got to
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listen to these two clowns, I mean.
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Well, and I also, I don't think, I don't think your spouse has an
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official job title in the enterprise, but social media
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manager kind of comes to mind. And we very much appreciate that
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too. The, the pumping it out over the
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network. So we're we're really lucky to
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have good support. Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, it.
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It's honestly more of a commitment than one might think.
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I wonder though, like, you know, because she she edits, we'll
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have long pauses or I'm sure she may, you know, she kind of like
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speeds it up so it's not done. Sounds so choppy.
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Yeah, You know, I think maybe I mentioned this before, one of
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the things that the producer mentioned, she's seen this so
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many times. Both you and I have certain
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like, vocal habits and I, I don't even know what it is, but
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I'm sure I say things like that. Well, on the other hand, you
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know, like there's all these transitional things, she said.
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She can tell from looking at the waveform exactly who's talking
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and where they're talking. That's nuts.
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And I think she does make use of tools, maybe even a little bit
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of AI to kind of scrub those awkward silences and kind of cut
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it down a little bit. Yeah, now that's really helpful.
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It's been great fun. And now honestly, it's kind of
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like my passion to figure out how to, I've told you trying to
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connect with other family members and a little hard to do
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an hour a week with everybody. But still, you know, it does
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make you think like even if nobody ever listens to this, I
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mean, like you said, we get to chew the fat once a week for and
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cover a lot of topics. That's awesome.
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It's it's great. It's great.
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Well, So what do you So there's the Trump.
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Go ahead. Yeah, I was just say what's
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what's going on? I, I will tell you the axis to
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grind that I, I'll just put the, the things that I want to bitch
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about on the table, the firing the head of Bureau of Labor
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Statistics because I did not care for the results.
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I, you know, I think that says a whole lot in one statement.
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So that's kind of on my mind, hopeful, honestly, that good
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things have come out of this summit, but we'll see.
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Yeah, I don't, I don't necessarily get the.
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I mean, I think of the BLS like PPI label, like producer price
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index tables and such. It's like heavy math stuff.
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I don't know what I didn't. I haven't read what the cause of
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the firing is. But yeah, I agree.
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It's kind of like I'm hopeful there's bigger fish to fry than
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the BLS leadership, you know? But yeah, that's.
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Well, I think candidly, I think the issue was, and this is true.
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So they came out with, they always come out with their
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statistics. But then there's very often a
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restatement of what they saw in previous periods.
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And it's just the nature of the data collection, right?
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They get this information from a variety of sources, but they're
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all trailing indicators. And so you, you make your best
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guess on what you know. You know, they rely for
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employment data, they rely on people like ADP who do payroll
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processing for huge numbers of companies.
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You know, you're having to make some sampling in there, but that
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doesn't catch everybody. And the restatement was that the
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economy is not that great that we're and honestly, I think that
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probably a lot of people are experiencing that.
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I think there's a couple of real headwinds in the economy and
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inflation prob, I'm sorry, unemployment probably is
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significantly higher than than what the top line number has
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been over the last couple of quarters.
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But that's not evidence of malfeasance.
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I, I, I think most of the people that are really into this,
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they're quants, they're statistical people.
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They are, they are not gaming things for a political basis.
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Like you couldn't get them to change their mind one way or the
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other. They think that this is what the
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number said and they could be wrong, right.
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Like, we admit that they could be wrong, but I just don't see a
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lot of partisanship in that. Did he say it was because it's a
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political thing or? Yeah, I mean, I mean, in a
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typical Trump fashion, he's like these Democrats are out there
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cooking the books, so I look bad.
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I just that that's kind of not how those people roll.
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Again, not that anybody couldn't be wrong or whatever, but what
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I, what I worry about is so these government Bureau
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statistics and by the way, a raise a glass to the old man, He
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was actually on a board at the Bureau of Labor Statistics, part
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of the group that sets the consumer price index and other
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things. So, you know, this is kind of in
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his wheelhouse. And so in his memory, I think we
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shouldn't trample on the labor. But you know, so BLS is a really
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good example that they're certainly not perfect, but the
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ability to rely on a single number that everybody agrees is
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authoritative, it may need to be restated after the fact.
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So it's nothing's perfect, but having a fixed number and a non
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partisan, impartial factual number is really important.
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And I think you're seeing this with Wall Street.
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I don't know. I've been paying a lot of
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attention to the market these days.
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And what you have is you have this whip saw because we're
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questioning the validity of the underlying data.
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Well, if if you can't trust the data, it really undermines
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business decision making and I think it has a really negative
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effect on the economy. Looks like her name was Erica
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Mcintarfer or something like that.
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She's been the commissioner of Labor Statistics since 24, but
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it's kind of unclear what the hell else she's been doing up
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until now. Oh, she's got a LinkedIn page.
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That's easy. I mean, OK, From 2002 to 2008,
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she was an economist at the Census Bureau, and then she's an
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economist at the Department of Treasury for two years.
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Then she's a senior economist. OK.
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This is what's weird, though. Even her LinkedIn profile,
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there's a gap from 2010 to 2022. Now, maybe she's just out of the
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workforce for that period. No, I think that's when she was
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working in Davos for the Bilderbergers.
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I know exactly. I mean, you know, I'm, I'm, you
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know, and now wind up a conspiracy theorist over
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everything, right? Well, I guess what I'm saying is
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she's the director of the thing. She doesn't make the statistics
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up. It's there's hundreds of
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nameless bureaucrats below that. I'm just telling you that I
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don't think you're going to get a, you know, maybe a little bit
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of deep state resistance to craziness, But this is not a
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Democrat plot to undermine Trump's presidency.
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OK, so back on the conspiracy game, have you seen you probably
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don't, but Rogan this week had this this US representative,
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she's a Republican, Anna Paulina Luna and at least what I
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listened to from the beginning, she's she's advocating for the
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release of all the UFO information.
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She said in her podcast that she was Privy to a classified
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debrief of evidence the US government has, and she said
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from what she saw, there's no way that technology was
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developed by humans. Wow, yeah.
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I mean, a government official to say something like that, I'm
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like, oh, and it's funny, 'cause she's like, you know, I'm a
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Christian. I mean, I, I believe God created
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the earth, but obviously, you know, the existence of alien
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life forms doesn't negate that. But but it's certainly is
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unsettling, you know, and and she's like I and her thing was
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like, and this is information that the public need has a right
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to know. You know, you can't just hang on
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to all this stuff. Wow, that's really interesting.
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I mean, you know, like here, I'm going to, I keep saying this all
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through the Epstein thing. I'm like, I'm not a conspiracy
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theorist. I got to tell you, the UFO thing
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is weird. It is weird because I think,
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well, again, channeling the old man, his comment on JFK was that
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he thought that it maybe wasn't that complicated, but the people
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that were running the Commission investigating it thought, Oh my
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gosh, the Russians are out to get us.
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And so they built a defense to a problem that never existed.
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And some of that may be what's going on with UF OS, right?
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People are just terrified of it. And so they built a system
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around it. The most interesting thing I, I
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think about that I'm, I'm just piling on with the crazy based
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on what you just said, I finished that rum is that the
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idea that these things flew here from some other planet that's,
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you know, 3 billion light years away?
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Really the physics of that just don't work real good for me.
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And again, you and I have. Let me interject.
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That's the technology. She said that there's no way it
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was developed by humans. She said there's credible
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evidence of time travel. I don't know what the hell that
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is, but she didn't say the words time travel.
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She said inter dimensional. Well, now we're talking because
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I, I was going to say that I feel like, well, you're looking
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something up. I, I feel like those
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explanations that have suggested that maybe what we're calling
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extraterrestrials are just human or non human species that
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predate us, that just kind of are so far beyond us that they
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exist around and among us, but not really in a, in a way that
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we're in other words, that the, the technology that built the
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pyramids like it was way ahead of the time and it kept going
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and now they choose to hide themselves from us.
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She said this is her work. Congress has seen proof of
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interdimensional beings. I think that they can actually
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operate through the time spaces that we currently have.
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And that's not something that I came up with on my own.
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It's based on stuff that we've seen, based on information that
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we've reviewed. Wow.
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That's kind of crazy, I got to say.
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And I mean, you know, like, he was like, you know, everybody's
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going to say you're a nut job. And she's like, OK, but you
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know, like, it doesn't matter what party you're in.
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Like, I'm sure people are going to be like, oh, she's crazy.
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But like I don't see the advantage of that of saying that
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I mean. No, you know.
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I don't. I guess I don't see the angle of
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why you make that. Up no.
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And I think what's it's consistent with what you've
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heard of, there are a lot of Congress members from both sides
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that have come out of briefings and there's, you know, you've
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seen pictures. Their eyes are wide open.
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You know, they're, they're a little freaked out by what
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they've seen. And I, I think that's
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interesting. You know, these are people that
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are routinely getting security briefings that would probably
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make our heads explode. And these are the things that
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they see and they're like, whoa, I don't know.
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Well, I. Mean, you know I.
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Maybe. I don't want to say.
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I don't want to speak prematurely.
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But I. Almost wonder if we're
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approaching almost like an Arab Spring type epiphany.
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That may not be the right comparison, but you know, like
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the Arab Spring, like when these people in these suppressive
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countries were like, I had enough of this bullshit.
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Like we're done now. You know, obviously the results
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didn't turn out too good, but I kind of feel like we're in a
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similar situation. Like don't guess like me on this
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Epstein crap. That is nonsense.
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We know there's more. Give it up like this UFO thing,
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like, I'm not just going to sit on it.
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People are going to tell. Like, is it possible we're
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entering an era where, you know, just hanging on to secrets that
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you can leverage over others is not going to fly?
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Well, and I wonder what the benefit of secrecy is, but
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again, kind of the game theorist in me, right?
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Like, OK, hypothetically there is.
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We have contact with a species or a consciousness that's able
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to transcend time and space and distance.
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OK. I don't know what that means,
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right? Are you thinking you're going to
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keep that to yourself? Like, that's never going to come
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out? Like we're going to sweep that
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under the rug. Like, that makes no sense,
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right? You know that it's eventually,
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and So what would be the possible upside of trying to
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keep a secret? Well, and part of it is, I mean,
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her statement too is that US defense contractors have tapped
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into some of this stuff and we're like trying to re engineer
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it. And so I could see Once Upon a
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time that would be the, hey, this is going to be a strategic
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advantage. But in the information age that
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we're in now, it seems like things are moving too fast to
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hang on to crap. Maybe I'm naive.
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No, I it it, it doesn't add up to me.
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And, and again, OK, so if these beings are capable of time and
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multiple billion light year travel, are they going to allow
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themselves to be misrepresented by the US Department of Defense
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and the defence contractors we're.
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Happy to work for Lockheed Martin.
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Yeah, that's fine. Yeah.
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Take me to your leader and they roll into, you know, L3.
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Well, that's, I mean, that to me is the biggest is, is the
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biggest argument against all this stuff is it's like if they
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presented themselves, like why are they only preventing
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presenting themselves to people in, you know, remote parts of
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Nevada and not, you know, like New York City, I mean.
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Land that sucker on the mall and we're going to have a very
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different conversation than if I'm abducting people in the
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woods of the Northwest. So switching gears to Epstein,
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and I hate to use the E word, I read another article today that
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was fascinating and it's about the number of people in the
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Epstein circle and story that have died mysteriously over the
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last 10 years. I don't know if you've read any
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of that. It's striking.
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Now, in Full disclosure, I'm quoting the National Enquirer,
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so you know, there's that, but. Well, while you're looking that
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up, though, I texted you when I, I had missed this news somehow
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that, oh, that Virginia Jeffrey, who was the accuser, you know,
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she took her own life. And honestly, that woman bore a
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lot. And it's entirely possible that
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that's just the the place she was and despondent.
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And if so, I'm sorry to hear that.
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I got to say, that's a little freaky, right?
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That people keep dying near the middle of this thing. 22 people
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associated with it. Now there's people that are
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named like Stephen Hawking was supposedly went to his island.
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Well, I mean, I, I don't think Stephen Hawking was long for
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this world as a, you know, I, I mean, obviously you had some
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other issues going on. My favorite, though, I'd love to
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dig in on this more. Mark Middleton, 59, an advisor
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to former President Bill Clinton with ties to Epstein, was found
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hanged and shot in Arkansas in May 2022.
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And what was ruled a suicide Like ruled a suicide?
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You you picture a Rube Goldberg mechanism that this elaborate
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thing that I'm going to make sure that I both hang myself and
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fire the parting shot just in case.
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Yeah, he was found hanging from a tree with an extension cord
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around his neck and a shotgun wound to his.
26:16
Chest, yeah. That was a suicide.
26:19
I had nothing to see, folks. The scale, I don't know, you
26:25
know, I don't know who to believe in this, but I saw
26:27
something. There's a woman who was a
26:31
broadcast journalist and she's now out of the game and she's
26:34
got her own podcast. Tara Palmeri.
26:37
You ever heard of her? She's a, you know, she's a left
26:41
wing. I don't know that she's
26:42
officially left wing, but she was talking about this and I
26:47
don't know where she got her stats, but the the number of
26:51
victims is in the thousands. The number of the women that
26:57
were a part of that enterprise at some point is in the 1000.
27:02
Wow. Well, and then, I don't know.
27:05
Did you see the Katie Johnson allegations?
27:09
No. No, this Katie Johnson had made
27:15
a like criminal complaint against Donald Trump and Epstein
27:21
back in like 16. And it's pretty graphic.
27:26
I mean, what she alleged from both of them of having, you
27:32
know, abused her when she was 13 years old.
27:34
I mean, it's pretty brutal. But she dropped the case.
27:40
But, you know, there was several things about why the the case
27:45
was dropped, but the main reason was she feared for her life.
27:48
And it's like, well, I mean, if there's truly thousands of
27:52
people wrapped up in this thing, like, again, this approach is
27:57
the Q Anon business, but that means there's a lot of power in
28:02
this whole thing. And I mean, we kind of laugh
28:05
about that. I mean, it is comical that they
28:08
pass that off as a suicide. I mean, I mean, of these 22
28:13
people, like I said, I don't think Stephen Hawking got axed
28:17
by one of these goons. But it's not to say that if
28:20
there were that many powerful people involved in something
28:23
that big, hell yeah, there'd be people getting killed.
28:26
And look, you know, the administration's saying there's
28:29
absolutely nothing. The opposite sides, there's
28:32
thousands of people involved. The truth is probably somewhere
28:35
in the middle. But I they got a result.
28:38
Somebody's got to resolve this, Congress or somebody.
28:40
But maybe Congress didn't want to resolve it either.
28:43
Well, right. I mean, how many of them are on
28:46
the list? You know, the the thing about it
28:49
is like, even if there is no new information, right, even if
28:55
there's not a single new thing in the file, it's a horrible,
28:59
awful story that is an embarrassment at the highest
29:03
levels of our government and our society.
29:07
It's a terrible, terrible thing. And so even if there is no new
29:13
information other than what's already been published in the
29:16
New York Times, it's not a hoax. It's not a oh, nothing, Bert
29:20
like it's it's a ghastly thing. If there's nothing additional.
29:25
No. And if everything's already in
29:27
the public domain, then why aren't we releasing it?
29:31
I it. Right.
29:32
And why this is? Really linear.
29:35
And why do both parties do the same thing?
29:38
That's the part again, we've said it a million times, people,
29:42
we're going to tune out, but maybe we need a Epstein files
29:46
party, like a like a new political party destined to
29:51
getting the truth. But like, you know, we've talked
29:54
about that and I and I feel like that's been a a theme throughout
29:58
our podcast over the last year. And and it kind of relates to
30:01
all these conspiracy theories is what is truth?
30:04
What is the no kidding story? I mean, we're, we're trying to
30:08
find it out together, talking things out, but like, what is
30:12
the real story? So this is kind of a, a second
30:15
drink kind of a statement. But I, but you know what I
30:18
wonder, like I think we've, I think if we've established
30:22
nothing over this last year, it's that we are closer really
30:27
then we're far apart. And yet we operate in these two
30:32
different ecosystem and your newsfeed looks very different
30:36
than my newsfeed, right? Like we, we've established this
30:39
thing. Maybe what if if this says
30:43
nothing else, It says that the if if you can paint two sides of
30:49
a story that completely differently.
30:51
Like maybe it was all bullshit to begin with.
30:54
And maybe when we thought we had the one story that showed up on
30:59
ABCCBS and NBC, maybe that was all made-up nonsense at that
31:04
time anyway. And so now if the game in this
31:09
town of DC is to just make up stuff that people want to hear,
31:15
the only thing that's changed is that you get to micro pick your
31:19
news. So the news that gets made-up
31:22
for the different groups just diverges because people want to
31:25
hear different things. But it was all made-up in the
31:27
1st place anyway. And actually, I mean, this
31:30
sounds crazy coming out of my mouth, but I don't know.
31:36
I've been looking at stuff that look back at Kennedy, you know,
31:41
long this would be another podcast.
31:43
The been looking at the Mercury 7 project and you know, Kennedy
31:47
and the space race and you look back and it's this this varnish
31:53
on the this shiny gleamy. Everything was wonderful.
31:58
We know Jack Kennedy was a scoundrel.
32:01
We know that all kinds of bad stuff was happening.
32:04
We we saw a little glimpse of the crazy with Nixon even before
32:11
the election, before Nixon took over, Johnson caught him red
32:16
handed, undercutting the negotiations in Vietnam.
32:21
And there's a phone call between Johnson and Nixon where
32:24
Johnson's like, I got you, I caught you doing this and I'm
32:29
not going to say anything because the American people
32:31
can't handle I'm ranting now. I don't know that like are we
32:37
just, is this two party 2 news cycle?
32:42
Is this just the latest manifestation of the same
32:45
bullshit they've been feeding us for 100?
32:46
Yeah, I, I feel like a year into our podcast, I, I came into this
32:52
thing I think with very, I think established positions and
32:58
thoughts, not like on everything, but like this is the
33:01
way this this is how this operates.
33:02
This is how this operates. And and I think through our
33:06
dialogue and you're challenging and and obviously recent events
33:09
also, it's like, I feel like there's goodness in challenging
33:14
your positions, but the same time I almost feel jaded, like
33:19
they're all assholes. And you know, I like our aunt,
33:22
illustrious aunt who's who's famous quote.
33:25
People are assholes. They're they are they're and
33:29
that sounds so apathetic. Well, the reciprocal of that,
33:33
though, Kyle, because here's what's changed for me over this
33:36
podcast. And this doesn't surprise me.
33:38
I knew this all along. I have to tell you, the stuff
33:41
that I've seen out of Trump and his cronies, I hope I've
33:45
represented well. Like in total, I just zoom out
33:49
and I'm like, my Lord, what has happened to my country?
33:52
What has happened to the party that I used to belong to?
33:55
And then I hear you talking and you you take positions that I
34:00
don't agree with, but you don't speak about other human beings
34:06
in a belittling way. You don't right.
34:10
You like you, you disagree with things on policy with me, but
34:14
our values aren't that different.
34:17
And like, I think that we've it's changed me hearing you put
34:23
a different spin on things that are just like, well, this wasn't
34:28
you. But this thing about DC and the
34:32
crime and the National Guard. And part of me is like, my Lord,
34:35
what? We're marching National Guard up
34:38
and down because people got a popsicle stolen on the mall.
34:40
And like what? Well, truth is that in DC
34:44
there's a big difference between what goes on in the big public
34:48
spaces and you get in the east and southeast side of town, and
34:54
there's some real problems there.
34:56
And Joe Scarborough was one who just recently was like, hey, you
35:01
know, before we're all like, oh, you know, Washington, DC, it's
35:05
like the city of Oz and there's no problems.
35:08
Like, yeah, there's a real crime problem.
35:10
It's actually better now than it's been.
35:13
But depending on where you are in DC, yeah, there's some crime
35:17
there. There's some problems.
35:18
And it's probably not the the DC government's been effective,
35:23
been ineffective. I don't know.
35:24
This is the place that re elected Mary and Mary I mean.
35:28
Yeah, I mean, I agree with that, except I, you know, I think this
35:32
whole podcast is just a hoax. I mean.
35:37
Has hoax gotten more? Is anytime in human history has
35:42
the term hoax gotten more usage? I mean, everything's.
35:47
I'm thinking about Al Pacino character in The Devil's
35:52
Advocate. He's like, it's my time and it's
35:56
the time of the hoax. Yeah, I don't know.
35:59
I don't want to be this, this Blase, this negative about
36:04
things. But it, it really does, you
36:06
know, like there's a really painful narrative that I've
36:10
been, I've been drinking over the last.
36:13
Well, you know, it's almost 10 years that has been going on
36:17
and, you know, I'm never going to love Donald Trump.
36:20
But I also have to acknowledge that it it would be unlikely
36:24
that even the worst of persons wouldn't occasionally do
36:27
something that wasn't worthy of condemnation.
36:32
Now, you know, it's interesting, Trump's meeting Putin in Alaska.
36:37
If he was smart, he'd say, hey, I'll give you a California.
36:42
If you'll call it quits over there, I'll give you, well, you
36:46
wouldn't want to give up all of California.
36:48
I mean, just the San Francisco to LA, right?
36:52
But but that could be problematic.
36:54
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I I see the challenges
36:57
with such a thing. Just kidding.
37:02
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