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INTERVIEW: Tiffany Cross, Bakari Sellers, Andrew Gillum & Angela Rye Talk Government Shutdown + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day a week ago, The Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 2: and the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Laura Rosa
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  Speaker 2: is here as well, and they're about to fight already
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  Speaker 2: ready Angela Rod, Tiffany Cross, Andrew Gillam and new to
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  Speaker 2: the show, y'all just added the brother.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Man, you know they need a ratings so I.
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  Speaker 4: Actually go someone to pull your show numbers.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, how's this gonna work?
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  Speaker 4: I can't find my show numbers.
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  Speaker 3: I'm happy to be here, I'm happy to be home.
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  Speaker 3: It's a good group of people, and right now you
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  Speaker 3: need a platform like this. So I think it's a
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  Speaker 3: perfect time in perfect match.
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  Speaker 6: Why did you guys decide to do it together?
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  Speaker 4: I was just getting ready to tell you I'm glad
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  Speaker 4: you asked that.
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  Speaker 7: You know, when we started this show, I envisioned this
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  Speaker 7: group and Bakari was trying to be boo and keep
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  Speaker 7: his little Spotify deal.
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  Speaker 8: Wow, and so he said, prove it was like my
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  Speaker 8: deal wasn't a little.
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  Speaker 3: But shout out to Bill Simmons for giving me an opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: But everything runs its course.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't read for this commercial.
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  Speaker 7: The point is that we wanted him to be a
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  Speaker 7: part of this and always like and I kept I
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  Speaker 7: would keep coming back, right, I would keep saying you
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  Speaker 7: are you ready?
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  Speaker 9: You ready?
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  Speaker 7: And it finally worked out, and so I'm really really
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  Speaker 7: thrilled about it, especially at this really.
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  Speaker 3: Difficult folk around me too, so I appreciate that. And
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  Speaker 3: it's a family. So we've always been friends, and it's
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  Speaker 3: always good to work with people who you're friends with.
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  Speaker 10: Wasn't there supposed to be a variation of this at CNN?
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  Speaker 10: At one point it was called the Squad?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 7: I think what's frustrating is we we were the Squad
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  Speaker 7: on CNN and we did segments. What was frustrating about
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  Speaker 7: is there was a story that was leaked that said
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  Speaker 7: they were giving us a show we ain't know nothing
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  Speaker 7: about it.
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  Speaker 4: Did you ever get approaches?
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  Speaker 11: I think that is going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: But I do think that the chemistry was there and
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  Speaker 3: people saw it on screen, so hopefully people can people
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  Speaker 3: can see now, Yeah, we woke up. It was on
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  Speaker 3: page six one day, right because I saw a Google
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  Speaker 3: alert that said the car Seller's page six.
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  Speaker 2: But I wanted to ask what everything going to landscape
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  Speaker 2: of media right now, and especially Trump getting people allegedly
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  Speaker 2: fired and people get for their opinions. I'm saying legend
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  Speaker 2: because I want people getting fired for their opinions. Does
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  Speaker 2: that stop what you guys do or cut it back
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  Speaker 2: or do you go even harder?
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  Speaker 7: I don't think that we have the luxury of filtering
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  Speaker 7: truth at this point. I think that to not tell
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  Speaker 7: the truth is more dangerous than to uphold the lie.
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  Speaker 7: And so I think what you'll get on this show
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  Speaker 7: is raw, unfiltered truth. There will be some conflict, there
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  Speaker 7: will be some agreement, there will be everything in between.
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  Speaker 7: We laugh a lot. I think that Bacari joining will
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  Speaker 7: add to that. These two, I'm looking forward to this
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  Speaker 7: diameter because okay, he don't know, but they be fighting and.
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  Speaker 12: Look like yeah, to prove the record wrong, we are
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  Speaker 12: sitting next to each other in the same shot.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think, but it's the same guy of things.
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  Speaker 2: He looks like More's chestnuts.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean chess on Saturday. He's taller than you,
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  Speaker 4: so you definitely.
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  Speaker 13: Are cuter, handsome Jesus, well not honestly, like everything you're not.
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  Speaker 13: His hairline is there, Oh god, Oh my god, well,
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  Speaker 13: she's waiting on this, not playing this.
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  Speaker 14: I want to get back to what you said because
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  Speaker 14: I appreciate the point that you're making about media capitulating.
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  Speaker 9: I think one thing.
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  Speaker 14: About all of us, we all had our own backgrounds
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  Speaker 14: in media in different capacities. And one thing that people
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  Speaker 14: can be sure to get when they tune in a
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  Speaker 14: Native Lampod is an unfiltered approach, well researched facts.
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  Speaker 9: All of us are free, like we're not.
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  Speaker 14: We don't have some a boss that we have the
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  Speaker 14: answer to for our opinions. We are not at the
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  Speaker 14: will of the Trump administration in any capacity, and we.
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  Speaker 9: Lead with our community. We lead with our blackness.
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  Speaker 14: Because we've been so rutally oppressed in this country that
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  Speaker 14: we owe it to the people. Well, the thousand things
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  Speaker 14: pulling for your attention, we owe it to you when
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  Speaker 14: you listen to Native Lampods if you are most authentic
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  Speaker 14: selves and our most real takes on things at these
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  Speaker 14: dangerous times.
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  Speaker 12: Align with Tiffany. I think people get that without even
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  Speaker 12: knowing they're in the throes of like politics and.
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  Speaker 6: What's happening every day.
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  Speaker 12: The cultural connection to how you can take a bad
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  Speaker 12: bunny story and related to what capitulation and bending a
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  Speaker 12: knee is to to big media. The fact that they're
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  Speaker 12: folks who are willing to steal limited and not enough
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  Speaker 12: in my opinion, who are willing to go up to
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  Speaker 12: the line and some folks over the line during this
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  Speaker 12: Trump era is exactly I think what's required in order
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  Speaker 12: for us to get through this President and his administration
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  Speaker 12: are shown when met.
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  Speaker 6: With force, they have a tendency to back up a bit.
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  Speaker 12: And so as long as we continue to I think,
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  Speaker 12: push the limits of this thing and also continue to
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  Speaker 12: develop the platforms in which we appear, making sure that
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  Speaker 12: we don't ever get to a position where we're beholden
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  Speaker 12: to one institution to get our word out over another,
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  Speaker 12: we should be good. But one exception that I think
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  Speaker 12: we're still working to get free. At least that's my experience.
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  Speaker 12: But the goal here ought to be the liberation for
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  Speaker 12: our whole community, where folks don't have to compromise themselves
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  Speaker 12: based off what room they're walking into, what table they're
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  Speaker 12: sitting down to who's on the other end of that table.
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  Speaker 12: That we own our power enough and are secure enough,
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  Speaker 12: meaning financially, mentally, and otherwise, then our people really can't
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  Speaker 12: get free.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but he's got the examples.
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  Speaker 10: What y'all to expound on what Tiffany was talking about,
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  Speaker 10: the like, what's broken about how mainstream media covers race
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  Speaker 10: and politics today?
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  Speaker 9: Well, a lack of black voices.
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  Speaker 14: You do see black faces on networks, but not a
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  Speaker 14: lot of black voices. And I think a lot of
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  Speaker 14: people are afraid and so often, particularly in journalism, what's
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  Speaker 14: considered unbiased is rooted in what is white and male,
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  Speaker 14: and that's not the case here. And I think you
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  Speaker 14: have to be bold enough to be the first person
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  Speaker 14: to say it. Oftentimes, when you are the first person
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  Speaker 14: to say it, it's controversial. You know, in twenty sixteen,
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  Speaker 14: saying Donald Trump was a bigot was controversial. It took
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  Speaker 14: so many other people to get there. And so you
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  Speaker 14: have safe people who will wait until everybody else says
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  Speaker 14: it before they say it. You have observers who will
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  Speaker 14: sit back and learn and make sure that it's the right,
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  Speaker 14: factual thing to say, and then the boldness among us
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  Speaker 14: will come out and speak and honest truth and use
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  Speaker 14: the platform responsibly, not lend it to people who undermine
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  Speaker 14: our community, and also not say something that is not
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  Speaker 14: completely one hundred fact check and well researched. I think
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  Speaker 14: that's we see so many people trying to be first,
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  Speaker 14: sometimes trying to go viral on social media with these
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  Speaker 14: clips and not always censoring the audience. And so we
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  Speaker 14: always censor our viewers because they're our community.
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  Speaker 6: Were the man knows it well.
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  Speaker 12: Right coming out of this last cycle and even before,
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  Speaker 12: you were probably saying things every morning on the Breakfast
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  Speaker 12: Club that were just part of your normal ethos. That
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  Speaker 12: took lift, that took flight because of how different it
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  Speaker 12: was from the and divergent it was from what the
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  Speaker 12: what regular black voices were.
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  Speaker 6: Saying in media.
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  Speaker 12: And you saw how quickly you became, you know, sort
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  Speaker 12: of anointed as an important, vital voice for the moment.
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  Speaker 12: And I think you know, you have to continue that
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  Speaker 12: and you don't need white people to sanction that you've
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  Speaker 12: been doing that.
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  Speaker 6: That's who you are.
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  Speaker 12: That's what this show has been for our community. And
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  Speaker 12: that's why I think y'all the most listened to, you know,
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  Speaker 12: place for for folks to go in the morning, because
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  Speaker 12: they people are discerning, They know what's real, They know
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  Speaker 12: when they're getting real, and then know when they're getting played.
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  Speaker 12: You then they choose not to be played.
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  Speaker 2: The great thing about the podcast or even when you
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  Speaker 2: guys come together and speak, it's I get information in
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  Speaker 2: layman terms, right, Because I always tell everybody all the time.
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  Speaker 2: If you're going to college, take classes outside of your major.
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  Speaker 2: Right your business major, you might want to take classes
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  Speaker 2: in politics to learn more about political science and American
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  Speaker 2: history because when people start talking.
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  Speaker 6: You feel like an outsider. When people feel like an outsider,
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  Speaker 6: they don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: Even though it doesn't really matter anyway, because Trump does
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  Speaker 2: things that that really is not really lawful. But when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to those things, how do you continue on
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  Speaker 2: doing it right? Because it becomes a lot Right this
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  Speaker 2: week alone, I'm just thinking about what we spoke about
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  Speaker 2: this week alone. It was sending troops to different states.
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  Speaker 2: It was the Trump coin for a dollar, it was
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's just so much going on.
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  Speaker 5: The frederal shutdown is really what fut down.
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  Speaker 6: It just seems like.
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  Speaker 3: I think you can learn a lot from Donald Trump too.
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  Speaker 3: I think Donald Trump has taught us two things that
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  Speaker 3: we need to take from the First is that he
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  Speaker 3: speak to people on really like a very fundamental first
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  Speaker 3: or second grade level. Under the theory that if if
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  Speaker 3: they understand it, everybody will get it. And the second
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  Speaker 3: thing is I've always said Donald Trump is probably one
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  Speaker 3: of the most honest brokers we've dealt with in a
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  Speaker 3: long time, because he literally told us everything he was
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  Speaker 3: going to do. And for people who are surprised, then,
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  Speaker 3: I mean they we talked about Project twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 11: We talked about it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's like literally, Paige after page after page,
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  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris told you what he was going to do,
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  Speaker 3: and it seems as if not it's becoming a reality.
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  Speaker 3: People are having some issue with it.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think some of it is well? But I
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  Speaker 4: think that some of it.
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  Speaker 11: Is surprised, not issue, but surprise.
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  Speaker 7: The pace, the overwhelming seventy through Project twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 7: I thought that it was going to happen. I thought
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  Speaker 7: it was going to be over four year term. It
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  Speaker 7: feels like we've lived one hundred years.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, months. I would have been shot a Project twenty
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  Speaker 10: twenty six in January.
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  Speaker 5: What if they get through twenty twenty five and then January,
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  Speaker 5: it's like five.
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  Speaker 12: For forty years this pace, it might get that. The
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  Speaker 12: other thing is is it's easy if you're Donald Trump
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  Speaker 12: to speak simply and basically when you're people you're talking.
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  Speaker 6: To is a monolith.
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  Speaker 12: They're all the same people.
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  Speaker 6: Who at the core of it, whether they're rich.
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  Speaker 12: Poor, middle class or in between, have was a common
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  Speaker 12: enemy the rise of black and brown people in this country.
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  Speaker 6: They see it as a threat.
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  Speaker 12: They may not even through their own eyes, say I
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  Speaker 12: don't like that person because they're black and brown. What
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  Speaker 12: they see is that kid's a threat to my kid
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  Speaker 12: and my kids on the couch.
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  Speaker 3: Free common the common denominator though, it's fear, I think.
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  Speaker 13: Fear of what Sometimes it's not even just those people
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  Speaker 13: that register what he's saying better, it's I got family
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  Speaker 13: members that be like, maybe Donald Trump isn't as bad
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  Speaker 13: because they simply understood what he was saying.
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  Speaker 4: Would they need it or they were scared?
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  Speaker 3: And I talk about that all the time with with
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  Speaker 3: like a king Jefferies, for example, there's a counterpoint to this.
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  Speaker 2: They both think they rap, they be throw a rap.
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  Speaker 4: And Leonard yes, respond yes he did.
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  Speaker 11: He responded.
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  Speaker 3: He I mean it was like ether the way he
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  Speaker 3: responded to Charlotte Mae. But what I was saying is
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  Speaker 3: that when I when I my frustration, my frustration with
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  Speaker 3: the leader, the minority leader. Is that many times in response,
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  Speaker 3: you will see a post that has four or five, six, seven,
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  Speaker 3: eight paragraphs, right, And that's not the response we need.
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  Speaker 3: That's not meeting the moment. And there are a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people right now that's my problem, and that's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people's problems with democratic leadership right now, Chuck
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  Speaker 3: Schumer and King Jeffreys, The question is are they prepared
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  Speaker 3: to meet this moment that we're in. This isn't a
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  Speaker 3: moment for eight paragraphs soliloquies in college dissertations. This is
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  Speaker 3: a This is a town hall in a setting, and
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  Speaker 3: a barbershop in a church, in a you know, at
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  Speaker 3: a high school football game, meeting people one on one
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  Speaker 3: talking and we do too much talking. That's another thing,
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  Speaker 3: Like Democrats have become a party that talks at people.
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  Speaker 3: They don't even talk to people, talk at people instead
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  Speaker 3: of listening to people.
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  Speaker 5: That's your question.
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  Speaker 10: Can you call somebody a leader if they have to
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  Speaker 10: wait on lobbyists to end the Democratic nominee for mayor
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  Speaker 10: in New York City?
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  Speaker 5: Can you really call him a leader?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I mean I think I don't have to wait on
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  Speaker 3: their lob But I also think, but also like to
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  Speaker 3: be completely honest. I think that leadership from a king
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  Speaker 3: Jefferies would be to call Charlemagne right now and come
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  Speaker 3: sit in here and answer those questions. And the reason
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  Speaker 3: being is because don't. I'm not gonna answer for that man.
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  Speaker 3: I've learned a long time ago you stop answering for
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  Speaker 3: other grown men. But I do think that there is
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  Speaker 3: a question that all three of you all are questions
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  Speaker 3: that all three of you all can sit down because
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  Speaker 3: I have beef. I sit down here and told you
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  Speaker 3: what type of person Eric Adams was. I told you
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  Speaker 3: he was terrible.
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  Speaker 11: Nothing. He was in a good mayor.
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  Speaker 3: It's probably one of the worst big city mayors we've
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  Speaker 3: ever had, right, and that kind of came to fruition.
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  Speaker 11: But I think that you should have to be able.
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  Speaker 10: To hold you Adam in the new book already text me,
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  Speaker 10: I told you.
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  Speaker 2: What did you say about Eric Adams early on.
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  Speaker 6: That you didn't like that nobody else seen.
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  Speaker 14: No.
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  Speaker 3: I just told you he was unethical, and I told
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  Speaker 3: you there was no reason for mayor to actually govern
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  Speaker 3: the city between the hours of eleven and three am.
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  Speaker 5: Statement.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that things mayors do between that time
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  Speaker 6: that connecting the people.
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  Speaker 12: But especially I'm not going to okay for Eric Adams.
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  Speaker 6: That's what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: We're not talking about emergencies we talked about. We talk
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  Speaker 3: about this dude hang out more than charm.
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  Speaker 6: To meet people where they are.
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  Speaker 12: And so to the extent that his extension of the
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  Speaker 12: mayor's office meant being at a club at a certain
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  Speaker 12: hour and people knew that their mayor was there, and
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  Speaker 12: maybe they raked about something that got the man gage.
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  Speaker 12: That'd be something I don't know that to be true.
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  Speaker 12: Leadership though, has to be part qualified by your willingness
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  Speaker 12: to walk into the fire, especially when your life is
• 13:37
  Speaker 12: in the fire every single day. The other thing is
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  Speaker 12: is what got us, what got us to this point
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  Speaker 12: won't get us to the next point. So people think, okay,
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  Speaker 12: if Democrats are, you know, with a resistance with this,
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  Speaker 12: but you may be that, but that doesn't win you
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  Speaker 12: the House of Representatives coming the terms or the presidency
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  Speaker 12: next unless you are bringing something that people can approach,
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  Speaker 12: be inspired by, and also a plan to look forward to,
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  Speaker 12: look forward to.
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  Speaker 11: Say it may lose you New Jersey.
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  Speaker 6: We're not gonna lose New Jersey.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying though, But I'm just saying that that
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  Speaker 3: type of complacency that you're discussing, we have to have
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  Speaker 3: that urgency of now.
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  Speaker 12: But the thing is, I hate that we have to
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  Speaker 12: be prescribed. It ought to be something in the blood
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  Speaker 12: of anybody who serves to be who puts this in
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  Speaker 12: themselves to lead people. Ought to have so much grit
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  Speaker 12: and confidence, but also consciousness not to have to poll
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  Speaker 12: test the moment we should be poll testing whether or
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  Speaker 12: not it works for members to run for reelection without
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  Speaker 12: endorsing a Charlie Kirk resolution of honoring no if a
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  Speaker 12: voter is asking me about whether I endorse that they're
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  Speaker 12: not my voter to begin with, not to mention you
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  Speaker 12: can resent and hate and to cry the death and
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  Speaker 12: murder of a person without endorsing the harm that they
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  Speaker 12: did during their living years, and that resolution went that direction.
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  Speaker 12: The capitulation that took place there is costly not because
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  Speaker 12: it's just Charlie Kirk. It's an example of what leadership
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  Speaker 12: under Democrats looks like, which is we're willing to cave
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  Speaker 12: on our most fundamental beliefs and throw our most important
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  Speaker 12: constituency black people, black women, black male pilots who he
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  Speaker 12: looks at and says whether or not they're qualified to
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  Speaker 12: fly plane because the color of their skin. This is
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  Speaker 12: the dudes you sign onto a resolution to honoring. If
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  Speaker 12: I can't get you to fight for yourself, that's who
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  Speaker 12: they are.
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  Speaker 6: For yourself, what do.
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  Speaker 10: You do for me?
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  Speaker 12: The biggest opposition to the Democrats returning to power are
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  Speaker 12: the Democratic leaders themselves.
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  Speaker 5: I agree, are they are?
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  Speaker 9: I have a question for you guys.
• 15:34
  Speaker 14: I can't because you guys, you hear are discussions. These
• 15:37
  Speaker 14: are the kind of discussions that we have on the show.
• 15:39
  Speaker 14: You guys have amassed this huge audience. You and I
• 15:42
  Speaker 14: have disagreed on my thoughts on people not being as
• 15:46
  Speaker 14: intellectually engaged. We're trying to reach massive amounts of audience,
• 15:50
  Speaker 14: massive people. What advice do you all give us? We debuted,
• 15:53
  Speaker 14: as you know, is the number one podcast across all
• 15:55
  Speaker 14: categories on Apple. But we're still trying to reach people.
• 15:59
  Speaker 14: Our numbers are growing, but just any insight from you all.
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: Let me answer that first.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: The first thing I would say is is when you
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: guys always come up here, especially Ms Rye, I ask
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: as like you said earlier, as a as a third grader, right,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: because that's happened though, come up. The reason I say
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: that is a lot of times we don't understand politics,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: we don't understand law, and a lot of times people
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: listen to people online that they think are actually right,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: but we realized that they were wrong. You know, So
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: we don't know if we're listening to somebody that's true,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: that's right. How do we possibly say, okay, well we're
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: riding with them, or we understand it so we're angela.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: I asked, so, break this down in this term. Don't
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: use all the political terms that you guys use. No
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: tell me how you would tell a third grader. Don't
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: expect me to know. Like if I tell you about
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: a car and I say it's a eight thirty M
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: three bbs, it's the seventeen is the lips?
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: This you can play.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Looks like.
• 17:01
  Speaker 14: People will say, oh, well the DLJ this morning and
• 17:03
  Speaker 14: the CBO is saying they can't afford that.
• 17:05
  Speaker 9: Most people don't know what the CBO is.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: But when you break it down terms where you're trying
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: to teach me and not over me, it makes me
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: want I think you.
• 17:13
  Speaker 12: Are assuming that politicians and politics wants to be explained
• 17:18
  Speaker 12: so that it's accessible The big trick behind it is
• 17:21
  Speaker 12: your goal is to keep people believing that they don't
• 17:24
  Speaker 12: have access, that this is too complicated, correct, so that
• 17:27
  Speaker 12: when they're doing the bullshit, you're not following it. You're
• 17:30
  Speaker 12: just assuming that this is the way it's supposed to go.
• 17:32
  Speaker 12: It's harder to hold people accountable when you're not sure
• 17:35
  Speaker 12: what you should be holding the accountable to do. So,
• 17:37
  Speaker 12: politicians deliberately cloud the water power I should say not
• 17:42
  Speaker 12: just politicians. Power attempts to look inaccessible, because if it's inaccessible,
• 17:47
  Speaker 12: then you don't have to worry about everyday.
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: Common man and woman holding you to account.
• 17:52
  Speaker 12: That's why I think if folks are listening and they
• 17:55
  Speaker 12: feel like the language doesn't include them and that it
• 17:58
  Speaker 12: feels too complicated, just know that you're not alone, and
• 18:01
  Speaker 12: you're probably thinking the right thing because that's exactly what
• 18:04
  Speaker 12: they want you to think, and so your head's on
• 18:06
  Speaker 12: a swivel.
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: I think for me, it's trust.
• 18:09
  Speaker 10: One thing I always say to myself, if you lie
• 18:11
  Speaker 10: to me about Democrats, then I won't believe you when
• 18:13
  Speaker 10: you tell me about Republicans. And I think that there's
• 18:16
  Speaker 10: too many Democrats that are still caping for the Democratic
• 18:19
  Speaker 10: Party when we the people can see that the Democratic
• 18:22
  Speaker 10: Party is on some bullshit. So I think when books
• 18:24
  Speaker 10: like The Original Sin come out are you know, one
• 18:26
  Speaker 10: hundred and seven Days by comm Lad, they're actually refreshing
• 18:28
  Speaker 10: because I'm like, oh, we weren't.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: Crazy, you know what I'm saying.
• 18:31
  Speaker 10: So I think that whenever you have people like yourselves
• 18:33
  Speaker 10: who are willing to go out there and you know,
• 18:36
  Speaker 10: speak truth to power about the party you represent, that
• 18:39
  Speaker 10: that holds a lot of weight with me.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: I think for me, it's like youth. I actually was
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: talking about y'all.
• 18:44
  Speaker 13: I went and spoke at this thing for Thurgood Marshall
• 18:46
  Speaker 13: Foundation and I met this young man. I can't remember
• 18:48
  Speaker 13: his name right now, but I met him and he
• 18:51
  Speaker 13: was telling me about a platform that he's created.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: And when he was.
• 18:56
  Speaker 13: Talking to me, I'm like, are you into like, you know,
• 18:58
  Speaker 13: civil rights and like community and politics? And he was
• 19:01
  Speaker 13: like yeah, I could feel the passion. And he was
• 19:03
  Speaker 13: asking me what should he do And I was like,
• 19:05
  Speaker 13: do you follow Nato Van podcasts?
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: And he was like I do.
• 19:08
  Speaker 13: I watched him all the time, and he was saying
• 19:10
  Speaker 13: to me that he feels like what he's building right
• 19:13
  Speaker 13: now is so far from what you guys are doing.
• 19:16
  Speaker 13: And I was in my head, like, to be honest
• 19:18
  Speaker 13: with you, them kind of connecting with a person like
• 19:21
  Speaker 13: you opens him up to such a different audience because
• 19:23
  Speaker 13: he was so smart and like it reminded me of
• 19:26
  Speaker 13: talking to you guys. But he's a college senior, so
• 19:29
  Speaker 13: I think I don't know what that looks like for y'all. Know,
• 19:31
  Speaker 13: we were at Howard and like when Kamalo was the
• 19:35
  Speaker 13: presidential race was happening. Maybe it's like, you know, you
• 19:37
  Speaker 13: guys going to college campuses or something like that. But
• 19:40
  Speaker 13: I literally was talking to him and I was like,
• 19:42
  Speaker 13: I actually told him would connect Tom Lolo.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, they're a producer.
• 19:48
  Speaker 13: But when I was talking to him, I'm like, it
• 19:49
  Speaker 13: would be fire to see what a person like him
• 19:54
  Speaker 13: has built, merging what you guys are already doing, because
• 19:57
  Speaker 13: it takes it to a level where like now you
• 19:59
  Speaker 13: hear from like the youth and people that are like
• 20:01
  Speaker 13: he's entering the world thinking about all this stuff.
• 20:04
  Speaker 10: And Lawrence has brought up a good point too, Like
• 20:05
  Speaker 10: we were reporting this one about how you know, turning
• 20:08
  Speaker 10: point USA blexit is going to all of these campuses
• 20:11
  Speaker 10: and I'm like yo, you can either ignore it or
• 20:13
  Speaker 10: you can choose to engage. Where's the organization on the
• 20:15
  Speaker 10: other side?
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: That's right?
• 20:17
  Speaker 14: That yeah, I say they should ignore it because it No,
• 20:22
  Speaker 14: that only helps them one.
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: It gives them an audience that I don't think they deserve.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: They already have one.
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: They already they have one on that side.
• 20:31
  Speaker 14: I don't they have more of a conservative audience. I
• 20:33
  Speaker 14: take your point about where's the organization on the other side,
• 20:36
  Speaker 14: So I say, build something with better intentions. But turning point,
• 20:39
  Speaker 14: I don't think their intentions are really a good faith debate.
• 20:42
  Speaker 14: I think they are spreading misinformation and disinformation and trying
• 20:46
  Speaker 14: to provoke, like trying to provoke college students into into
• 20:49
  Speaker 14: having these virals.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I think the problem that we have right now though,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: is that sometimes because of our complacency and our being
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: like Democratic Party and the uote unquote youth or young
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: folk within the party. Because of the complacency and oftentimes
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: taking for granted these younger voters, taking for granted black
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: voters and voters who we normally just say will show
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: up for us, We've created this vacuum, right, We've created
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: this void that is there. And so when you have
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: a bleckxit going to a Hampton or Howard or Morehouse
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: or you know, Prairie View or wherever it may be,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: or you know, meeting with the Black Student Union Atsissippi State. Yeah,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: we all know that the organization, you know, when it
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: talks about issues like this, they're not really there talking
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: about issues that center us. We know it's a political ploy. However,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: the vacuum will be filled with noise and there are
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: going to be people who are responsive to that noise.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: So to Charlemagne's point, you know a lot of times
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: you just can't leave these truths. And this is what
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: you were saying. I do believe you can't leave these
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: truths to just be unattended, right, or not even truths
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: truth I would say these statements, these statements or whatever
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: they're doing to be unattended, because we've done that too long.
• 21:56
  Speaker 15: But if you're thirsty, yes they will, and the students,
• 22:01
  Speaker 15: students and more House will show up simply because of
• 22:04
  Speaker 15: Because I am not a big proponent I hate cancel culture.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: I'm not a big proponent of not allowing people on
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: your campus. I'm not a big because I think that
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I think that institutions of higher learning in particular have
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: to be these bastions of intellectual debate, right, But.
• 22:18
  Speaker 14: It's not intellectual debate. These are white supremacists.
• 22:21
  Speaker 11: I'm talking they.
• 22:22
  Speaker 12: Can I just say more generally that they're not. If
• 22:25
  Speaker 12: people are thirsty, they will drink from miarrage even though
• 22:28
  Speaker 12: the water is not there, preach because somebody is, somebody's
• 22:31
  Speaker 12: telling them something. And my experience has been a lot
• 22:34
  Speaker 12: of young people, a lot of people in general, don't
• 22:36
  Speaker 12: have ideological lenses necessarily. They have things that happen in
• 22:40
  Speaker 12: their life, and they have ways in which they respond
• 22:42
  Speaker 12: to it. And the way for sure, but I have
• 22:46
  Speaker 12: to tell you a lot of folks were They weren't
• 22:48
  Speaker 12: carrying a Democrat or Republican flag. They had an issue
• 22:51
  Speaker 12: or a concern and they wanted to know how we
• 22:53
  Speaker 12: were going to speak to it. And if the only
• 22:55
  Speaker 12: person talking it's Charlie Kirk, you know, uh point. But
• 23:02
  Speaker 12: the larger conservative, right, if that's all that you're hearing
• 23:06
  Speaker 12: and you're not cinched, well in what the other argument
• 23:09
  Speaker 12: might be, they might have something.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: And I think the most amazing thing you said is
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: that they're thirsty. I mean, so like when people talk
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: to me about Charlemagne. They talked to me about Charlemagne
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: all the time, and I say, the most amazing thing
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: about Charlemagne is he approaches things with this intellectual curiosity
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: and people are taken aback by it. But I'm like,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: he's asking a question because of something he's gone through,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: something he's seen, or something he's heard. And it's not
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: a place of condescension. It's not a place of disrespect.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: It's like King Jeffries, explain to me because I am curious, Cius, Well,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: I mean that's because they am beef curious. Yeah, just
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: but I mean it's like, explain to me x y z.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: And it comes from a place of intellectual curiosity, which
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: breeds that thirst. And for far too long we've taken
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: this perch r position that yeah, okay, it's rooted in racism,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: is rooted in ignorance. I won't go there with them.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: And because I also so abscribe to your notion a
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: little bit that when you roll around with pigs, you
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: both get money and only the pig likes it.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: So what do you What did you think when like
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Candice Owens came up here and some of those other
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: political views that don't necessarily align with our culture and
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: our people.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm glad that there was somebody there to
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: push back. Now there's a question of whether or not
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: you should have given her a platform such as this right,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: I like, but but those are healthy debates, especially I.
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: Don't have access.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: How many of our people are already tapped into I agree
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: with that.
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna say something now because I let y'all talk
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: for fifteen minutes.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: But I'm just I just think this.
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: I think it is important if you are going to
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: give room for the debate, that you challenge the lies.
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: And I'm not just saying you or y'all, I'm saying
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: all of us. I This is something that I have
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: disagreed vehemently with Tiff and Andrew about because I do
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: think we should put conservative voices on our show. I
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: don't think it should just be the people that we
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: like are cam mildly tolerate. I do think that we
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: should we should have folks on who aren't necessarily dangerous
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: or trying to be dangerous, but really believe not performing.
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: Not the ones that went to that line because it
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: was shorter, but the ones who really believed that, like
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: my dad's mentor. Arthur Fletcher was a black Republican. He
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: is a father of affirmative action. There were Republicans that
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: had a hell of a lot more sense than where
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: folks have now. But when they go unchecked and unchallenged, this.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Is where you end up.
• 25:14
  Speaker 14: But there's a difference between conservative voices and the canvas
• 25:17
  Speaker 14: owns like I've never been opposed to conservative voices. I've
• 25:19
  Speaker 14: been opposed to performative people who are intentionally trafficking and
• 25:23
  Speaker 14: misinformation and disinformation and are gifted a platform right exactly
• 25:28
  Speaker 14: like I think there are honest brokers out there.
• 25:31
  Speaker 10: I don't.
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: I don't know her to say whether that's her honest
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: experience or not. I research into her background, research into
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: her background too, and just like everybody else, like there
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: was a point in time where I went to the
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: altar and got saved and my life was changed, right
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: like there, people have moments where they changed there.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: It could be a pivot because I.
• 25:52
  Speaker 12: Think worth debating, because the thing that we keep denying
• 26:00
  Speaker 12: is that people are going to access what she has
• 26:03
  Speaker 12: to say anyway.
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: People are listening listening to her.
• 26:12
  Speaker 13: They like live and die by her, I promise you,
• 26:15
  Speaker 13: and I think to your point. I get what you're saying,
• 26:18
  Speaker 13: but it's like it's happening anyway. And when I'm talking
• 26:20
  Speaker 13: about the youth, I mean they thrive off of who's
• 26:23
  Speaker 13: on YouTube reacting TikTok. They might not come and find
• 26:26
  Speaker 13: you guys Native Land podcast, but they're going to end
• 26:29
  Speaker 13: up somehow getting some content from her. So I think
• 26:31
  Speaker 13: if there was something just as powerful there a conversation
• 26:34
  Speaker 13: with her and you guys, then you are funneled in.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: And it's just a part of the thing is this
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: stuff is paid for pao.
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: But YouTube cannot be your only you know.
• 26:44
  Speaker 14: I always say, like every piece of news is not
• 26:46
  Speaker 14: gonna come with a little hip hop dance on TikTok.
• 26:48
  Speaker 14: So I think we have to. I'm curious beause y'all
• 26:50
  Speaker 14: are STA presidents. I do think we have to challenge
• 26:52
  Speaker 14: our youth and our community and our people to take
• 26:55
  Speaker 14: some responsibility for your own intellectual curiosity and find reputable reputable.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: I would disagree with sometimes too.
• 27:04
  Speaker 13: I've seen outlets retract stories, especially in today's time, because
• 27:07
  Speaker 13: everything translated as hard as.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Trust.
• 27:13
  Speaker 13: I think that one person is lean into them because
• 27:14
  Speaker 13: you don't know who's who's wrong. Sometimes they literally send
• 27:17
  Speaker 13: people to outlets that we also don't trust, like we
• 27:20
  Speaker 13: would say, we've talked on the on the on the podcast,
• 27:24
  Speaker 13: Oh go to Washington Posts.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: They just fired Karen Antia, Like there are news.
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: Outlets that are reputable that are still very harmful to
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: black culture.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: So there's that too.
• 27:33
  Speaker 11: No, you're good.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: I'm getting prepared for the show for the podcast, and
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: I hope you guys let me and Andrew talk a
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: little bit. I do think that there I do disagree
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: with Tiffany on this point. I think that we have
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: to meet people where they are, and right now we
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: are dealing with the generation that consumes news in ways
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: that we are not used to.
• 27:52
  Speaker 9: Like.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: It kind of makes us old understanding that, Yeah, they
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: get their news from TikTok, and I also realized they
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: like their news with the words on the screen. They
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: like to be able to read why they hear it right,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: They want to actually be able to have a rhythm
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: to it or whatever it may be. That's just the
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: way they consume news. And I don't think you can
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: look down upon that. I think you have to adapt
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: to it or you become old. That's first and second looking.
• 28:12
  Speaker 14: Down though, it's like can we challenge them to me
• 28:14
  Speaker 14: time and steal us from the col Hanna Jones, But
• 28:16
  Speaker 14: this is a time for reading. You can challenge everything,
• 28:19
  Speaker 14: cannot be a sixth.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: You can challenge them. You can challenge them in their space.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: But that's also let's going back to Candace Owens. The
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: reason I didn't have a problem with Candace owns here
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: is because you all appear to be prepped to push back.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: And my the difference is when you have jd Vance,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: When you have jd Vance interviewing the theovon interviewing jd
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Vance like that, you can't even push back on the lies.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: You can't push back on the untruth. It's like an
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: unfiltered misinformation, disinformation fire.
• 28:49
  Speaker 11: Hose, just stuff coming to a proper candid So that's
• 28:55
  Speaker 11: my point.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think Ben Shapiro is a good example too.
• 28:57
  Speaker 10: You know, we had Ben Shapiro up here, and you
• 28:58
  Speaker 10: know we push back on things. But what people fail
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: to realize is the very next day we had medio
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: sign up here. So we let media sign push back
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: on the things that we say. So you got to
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: you gotta stay tuned every day like the news.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: A news network.
• 29:10
  Speaker 12: Sure, I also think you have to condition it, making
• 29:12
  Speaker 12: sure feel this is your perspective from your experience. I
• 29:16
  Speaker 12: can't deny you what your experience is, but there is
• 29:19
  Speaker 12: a difference between what's true and what isn't true, what's
• 29:21
  Speaker 12: a fact and what's made up.
• 29:23
  Speaker 10: Well, I will also say this one thing that I
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: love I love I love Abbey Phillips Show.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: And the reason I love Abbe Phillips.
• 29:29
  Speaker 10: Show is because she'll have the conservatives on it, but
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: then you'll have you on too, and she'll have sellos
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: on right. And I love when Angela was on seeing
• 29:35
  Speaker 10: it because you need that, Like somebody said it in
• 29:38
  Speaker 10: here earlier. If you don't know what the truth is
• 29:40
  Speaker 10: and you hear something and it sounds good, you're just
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: gonna go with that. And if it justinchanged, but when
• 29:45
  Speaker 10: it's challenged, you like agree might have been right on that.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: I think I'm always a big proponent of the free
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: flow of information, and you have to be prepared to
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: check it or challenge it when it comes your way.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: I don't think you can just shut the door to
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: it because because because unfortunately.
• 30:01
  Speaker 14: That shit came through any like debating slavery, like to me,
• 30:05
  Speaker 14: you have to have a line at some point where
• 30:07
  Speaker 14: this is just nonsense, where this.
• 30:09
  Speaker 12: Is not when the other side is now laying in
• 30:14
  Speaker 12: new bed and this idea that there were positives that
• 30:17
  Speaker 12: came from the experience, and you now have younger people
• 30:20
  Speaker 12: who are less connected to what slavery meant and our
• 30:23
  Speaker 12: struggle to overcome it, who are hearing these things, and
• 30:26
  Speaker 12: what does that do?
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: Over time? It softens their defense.
• 30:29
  Speaker 12: Of the evil that slavery was, but it's not. But
• 30:32
  Speaker 12: if we don't go to them, then we can't challenge.
• 30:34
  Speaker 10: And then when you got people like Kanye years ago
• 30:36
  Speaker 10: saying slavery was a choice, and you got a bunch
• 30:38
  Speaker 10: of niggas who swear they getting up with somebody, there's
• 30:42
  Speaker 10: no way.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Answer, and bless and bless it and bless it is
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: literally going to these campuses talking about building a foundation.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: That's not that that's the antithesis to the roots laid
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: by the civil rights movement.
• 30:54
  Speaker 11: That's like a fundamental tenet of it.
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: This is this this other part because I've tried to
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: go in and just look at some of their rhetoric,
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: and there's something that says, like, you know, it's.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: Like you're not going to be a victim anymore.
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: And I think that that rhetoric is resonant because there
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: are so many instances in our life, like right now
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: as they dismantle DEI. Whether you think DEI was most
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: effective or not, it protected some jobs, it created some jobs,
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: it created some opportunities.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: So we are being victimized.
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: So there's something very empowering, Like in this moment where
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: I've applied for three hundred jobs, let's say, and I
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: haven't been hired. I am feeling like I'm a victim,
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: but somebody's telling me there's a choice I can make
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: where I'm no longer going to be a victim. Now,
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: when they get in that room, they're going to realize
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: that that rhetoric is in all the way ALIGNE. But
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: there are some touch points where they're tapping into our
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: trigger points where it's like, Okay, maybe there's the space
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: for me that.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: You want to be hopeful.
• 31:45
  Speaker 12: Yeah, but I want to be hopeful about a future
• 31:47
  Speaker 12: that they can have. We're not always clear that the
• 31:49
  Speaker 12: other side is selling us a bill of dreams and
• 31:53
  Speaker 12: am not leveling with us. And I completely regret to
• 31:56
  Speaker 12: relate to the not wanting to be a victim in
• 31:59
  Speaker 12: my own try and situations. I always kept telling myself,
• 32:02
  Speaker 12: I'm not a victim. I have choice here after even
• 32:04
  Speaker 12: in the moments where honestly, if I had interrogated it,
• 32:07
  Speaker 12: no I didn't. There was a thing, There was a
• 32:09
  Speaker 12: thing set in motion that began to happen, that began
• 32:11
  Speaker 12: to unravel, and no matter how skilled I thought, I
• 32:15
  Speaker 12: was at a thing that the conclusion was going to
• 32:18
  Speaker 12: be what it was, and unfortunately married you do not.
• 32:23
  Speaker 11: I do not co.
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: Sign that statement.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: With us.
• 32:33
  Speaker 10: I want to have a question about some of my
• 32:34
  Speaker 10: listeners have been really talking about NBA young boy, the.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: Government shut down.
• 32:39
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm asking a question, but I'm telling you, people
• 32:43
  Speaker 10: don't care whose fault is it.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Is it Democrats or as Republicans.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: So I don't think you can answer that question that way.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: So so the way I answer it is this, Democrats
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: are fighting in this country for you to have access
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: to quality healthcare.
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: Period.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: People's premiums are about to go up in a couple
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: of weeks, and we're talking three hundred times the amount
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: that you're going to pay for insurance. The number of
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: people who are going to be kicked off of Medicaid
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: is fifteen twelve to fifteen million, So you're not going
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: to be able to get care, and then the places
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: that you go to get care are shutting down. We're
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: not even talking about planned parenthoods. We're talking about community
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: centers like the one and Oh Claire. They shut down
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: six centers in South Carolina. And so the battle that
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Democrats are waging right now is, look, we think that
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: we should have access to quality care, and Republicans can
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: stop the shutdown if they come to the table and
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: simply vote to extend those ACA subsidies.
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: Point your Republicans fought, well, he's not trying to say
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: it that way. And I think that part of the
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: reason why is because well, this is my argument.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: I'm going to put this on you. It's too little,
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: too late.
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: So people have watched, as you would say, Democrats capitulate
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: over and over and over again, and now it's like,
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: now is the time to stand our ground. But where
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: was the time to stand the ground when the big
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: ugly bill was getting passed. Where was the time to
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: stand around on the Charlie Kirk resolution just two weeks ago?
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: When was the time to stand your ground when you
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: could have at least pushed back in terms of rhetoric
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: and what you're saying. And so people are just like
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: it's a fight, but it ain't with the right weapons,
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: and premiums are still going to go up.
• 34:07
  Speaker 12: But to charlemage your point, people are not gonna What
• 34:11
  Speaker 12: Republicans successfully did is they delayed much of them. They
• 34:14
  Speaker 12: attempted to delay much of the impacts of the legislation.
• 34:17
  Speaker 12: So they passed a bill that transferred one trillion dollars
• 34:20
  Speaker 12: from working people in this country, largest wealth transfer in
• 34:23
  Speaker 12: the history of America, and took that one trillion and
• 34:26
  Speaker 12: gave it away to the wealthiest one percent minus of
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: Americans in this country who didn't ask what and don't
• 34:33
  Speaker 12: deserve it.
• 34:33
  Speaker 11: And Trump just gave twenty billion in Argentina.
• 34:35
  Speaker 12: So again these but the but, but American citizens are
• 34:40
  Speaker 12: not experiencing it in real time. The consequences for those
• 34:43
  Speaker 12: decisions are delayed, and they're delayed by deliberations.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: Some Americans because federal workers.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: You guys are talking.
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: I was just saying, there's two different conversations happening. He's
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: talking about the July Bill, you're talking about the shutdown.
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: So the problem they're connected.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: They are.
• 34:57
  Speaker 12: The July Bill set the framework for those subsidies to
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: go out of what to be retired. Democrats are saying,
• 35:04
  Speaker 12: y'all did a hell of a lot of damage, and
• 35:06
  Speaker 12: now all we're asking you to just repair some of
• 35:07
  Speaker 12: the harm just a little bit, but making sure that
• 35:10
  Speaker 12: the people who have insurance today and are paying lower
• 35:12
  Speaker 12: premiums today can continue to do that tomorrow. And you
• 35:16
  Speaker 12: can do that by simply reinstating the incentives that came
• 35:20
  Speaker 12: through Obamacare. They can make that decision. They're choosing to
• 35:24
  Speaker 12: continue to give the wealthiest one a trillion dollars, steal
• 35:28
  Speaker 12: it from you and make you pay three hundred percent
• 35:30
  Speaker 12: more than what you're paying today and your health suppsett.
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: And meanwhile, it's seven hundred thousand government workers who have
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: been furloughed and they don't know if they're ever going
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: to get paid.
• 35:40
  Speaker 14: That's that's wrong, that's against the law. He said, what
• 35:44
  Speaker 14: is the law exact this point?
• 35:46
  Speaker 10: Yeah, so who I guess, Yeah, who's fauoted it? Because
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: people are calling them for this money.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: They don't care. They're like, they don't care if it's
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: Democrat Republican.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: But the math is the math. The math is the math.
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: The people who have the power to pass bills in
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: congres is the Senate. The person who signs the bill
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: into law is a Republican in the White House named
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: Donald J.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Trump. What's the J stand for?
• 36:07
  Speaker 11: I don't know, but John John.
• 36:09
  Speaker 10: Because Democrats are taking credit for holding things up, because
• 36:11
  Speaker 10: they're taking the stand for.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: The healthcare well, because they need sixty votes in the Senate.
• 36:15
  Speaker 12: Right, No, no, But the truth is is that when
• 36:17
  Speaker 12: Democrats were president and Republicans have the majority, Democrats were
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: able to get sixty percent majorities to keep the government open.
• 36:22
  Speaker 12: This is at the end of the day, in the
• 36:24
  Speaker 12: beginning of the day, the fault of the people who
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: have the power, the power right now resides and the
• 36:29
  Speaker 12: Republican president, the Republican Senate majority, and the Republican Speaker
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: of the House. So who's faulted in the Republicans is
• 36:35
  Speaker 12: the Republicans who have the majorities to make decisions. Democrats
• 36:39
  Speaker 12: are simply trying to be a stop gap.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: To Entrew's point, the last time we had a government
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: shut down was under Donald Trump.
• 36:50
  Speaker 13: But even if you find fault right, because I think
• 36:52
  Speaker 13: this is why people accidentally end up over there on
• 36:54
  Speaker 13: the other side, because they feel like, all right, fault
• 36:57
  Speaker 13: goes back and forth.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: But action, where is action?
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: Because it can be the Republicans.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna get my check.
• 37:01
  Speaker 13: Yeah it's Donald Trump, but I'm still sitting here for
• 37:03
  Speaker 13: alow no job. So like, now what and y'all want
• 37:05
  Speaker 13: me to go vote? Y'all want me to do this,
• 37:07
  Speaker 13: y'all me to not listen to the name when we
• 37:08
  Speaker 13: thought he gave out checks, Like I think for me
• 37:10
  Speaker 13: as just like a regular person who doesn't buy into
• 37:13
  Speaker 13: a lot of this. It's like there's a revolving door
• 37:15
  Speaker 13: of we find fault. Something happens, one person tells you
• 37:18
  Speaker 13: it's better you vote for them. It messes up again.
• 37:19
  Speaker 13: It's like where does this end?
• 37:21
  Speaker 11: Follow your truth?
• 37:22
  Speaker 12: If your subsidies are going up, if you are out
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: of a job and you're a federal employee today, follow
• 37:27
  Speaker 12: what the truth is. It isn't mathema, this isn't rocket science.
• 37:31
  Speaker 12: The government is shut down because of the Republicans. Now,
• 37:34
  Speaker 12: I'm guessing that the average voter really doesn't care about.
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: Fault right now.
• 37:37
  Speaker 12: They want to know how to get it back open.
• 37:38
  Speaker 12: Here's the simple way to get it back open. The
• 37:41
  Speaker 12: Senate and the House can agree to make sure that
• 37:45
  Speaker 12: Roorking people have access to healthcare without paying three hundred
• 37:48
  Speaker 12: percent more tomorrow than they did today. And when they
• 37:51
  Speaker 12: come to that conclusion, the President can sign it in
• 37:54
  Speaker 12: the law, and the Republicans can open the government.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Can open up government right now they have literally, I mean,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: it's that easy. And so what what I've been And
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: that's that's why I didn't answer Charlemagne's question with a
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Demo or a Republican.
• 38:05
  Speaker 11: The answer is very easy.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, if we wanted to open up government, then
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Republicans come back. They first of all, they went home,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: come back to DC, sit in the room with Democrats,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: say we're going to extend these subsidies. Let's figure out
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: what that looks like, and then boom.
• 38:17
  Speaker 12: But Trump and the rovers are playing in our face
• 38:20
  Speaker 12: completely because they're telling us that it's the Democrats when
• 38:24
  Speaker 12: the truth is is that they are incentivized to keep
• 38:26
  Speaker 12: the government closed. The President doesn't want checks and balances,
• 38:30
  Speaker 12: The government doesn't want uh auditor generals in these departments
• 38:34
  Speaker 12: checking their behavior.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: Shut down the.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Way they just made your boy, your friend herschel Walker,
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: he's the ambassador to the Bahamas now the hershel Man Ambassador.
• 38:48
  Speaker 11: Ambassador Walker but again.
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: There as Miche Bahamas bah.
• 39:06
  Speaker 11: He signed it out.
• 39:08
  Speaker 9: Your points.
• 39:10
  Speaker 14: The people who get food stamps, snap benefits, they are suffering.
• 39:14
  Speaker 9: They're going to go down significantly.
• 39:16
  Speaker 14: The people who travel, right, people the airlines, if you're
• 39:19
  Speaker 14: planning on traveling, they're gonna suffer. A team we saw
• 39:22
  Speaker 14: routinely air traffic controllers who make sure we don't crash.
• 39:25
  Speaker 14: They started calling out sick because they were not getting paid,
• 39:28
  Speaker 14: and now he's threatening their back pay, a wick, women,
• 39:31
  Speaker 14: infinite children. Those benefits are going to go down. These
• 39:33
  Speaker 14: programs impact black people, they disproportionately impact white people. So
• 39:37
  Speaker 14: I think I get your point. It doesn't matter whose
• 39:40
  Speaker 14: fault it is. Somewhere somewhat right now, someone's driving to work,
• 39:44
  Speaker 14: uh at a job that they still have, figuring out
• 39:46
  Speaker 14: how they're going to pay their mortgage, how they're going
• 39:47
  Speaker 14: to take care of their kids, and they don't care
• 39:49
  Speaker 14: whose fault it is.
• 39:49
  Speaker 9: They just want to make it.
• 39:50
  Speaker 10: Just stop politicizing people's pain. I think that's what people
• 39:53
  Speaker 10: that's what people be calling. I'm saying, like, I don't
• 39:54
  Speaker 10: care who did what.
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: I want my check right.
• 39:58
  Speaker 12: Donald Trump put on governments, reverse on government websites and
• 40:01
  Speaker 12: Democrats shut down that there's no there are no equals here.
• 40:05
  Speaker 12: The Republicans and the Democrats are not equal in the
• 40:07
  Speaker 12: way they're approaching this. Donald Trump knows that he is
• 40:10
  Speaker 12: causing an exacting pain. He is using our taxpayer dollars
• 40:13
  Speaker 12: to then blame one political party over another, and all
• 40:16
  Speaker 12: the while he is sitting high being able to rule
• 40:19
  Speaker 12: his country by fiat right, so the incentives appear perverse.
• 40:25
  Speaker 12: A president usually wants to take care of all Americans.
• 40:28
  Speaker 12: This guy doesn't care about all Americans. And he's made
• 40:31
  Speaker 12: it clear every single opportunity he's given.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: Yes and he said he don't. He don't think everybody
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: should get back pay.
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: Of course he don't.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: That's literally the point.
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: This seven hundred thousand plus worker or worker number that
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: that have been furloughed, they are debating right now whether
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: they will get back back.
• 40:51
  Speaker 14: And government contractors who are not even included in that number,
• 40:53
  Speaker 14: they won't get back pay.
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: They're just they're just out.
• 40:56
  Speaker 12: And basically, the largest employer in the entire United States,
• 41:01
  Speaker 12: being the United States government, has decided not to pay
• 41:04
  Speaker 12: the largest set of workers in the United States of
• 41:07
  Speaker 12: America and are then impacting it on all of us,
• 41:10
  Speaker 12: because these are the people we need for the services
• 41:12
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