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Credlin | 4 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Petero Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on credline. Well, it's official. We're back into per
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Speaker 2: capita recession. Sorry to tell you that, but that's where
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Speaker 2: we are. The economy barely growing, investment flatlining. Today's figures
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Speaker 2: have even undershot the low market expectations. So what does
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Speaker 2: it all mean? Leading economists Warren Hogan joins mem shortly.
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Speaker 2: But despite a sluggish economy, there's one area that's doing well,
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Speaker 2: but notb belily of course, because you're funding it us taxpayers.
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Speaker 2: The government's billions and billions thrown at renewables. You figures
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Speaker 2: today show just how much of your money is being
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Speaker 2: thrown at the issue.
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Speaker 3: Or on that later.
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Speaker 2: Plus a mid all the debate about increasing defense spending.
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Speaker 2: There's been a timely reminder about the growing threat in
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Speaker 2: our region, with Australia's Chief of Defense Force warning we
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Speaker 2: could need to launch combat operations on our own soil,
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Speaker 2: something we haven't contemplated since the Second World War, and
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Speaker 2: the battle over labor's super tax is heating up. Strong
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Speaker 2: indications today that the coalition will not do a deal.
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Speaker 4: We believe in lower, simpler and fairer tax. Labour superannuation
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Speaker 4: tax fails on all three measures.
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Speaker 3: We will stay with that issue.
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Speaker 2: But I'm not sure I like the three flags there
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Speaker 2: behind the Opposition Deputy leader. This is the issue of
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Speaker 2: tax and how oppositions operate, because it is a very
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Speaker 2: material question how they go about supporting governments and legislation. Now,
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Speaker 2: obviously only an opposition dedicated for opposition's sake would oppose
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Speaker 2: good policy. Yes, support good policy. You don't just say
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Speaker 2: no because it comes from a bad government. And that's
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Speaker 2: pretty much what Susan Lee said pretty early on.
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Speaker 3: Let's have a listen.
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Speaker 5: I want to start with a positive relationship with the
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Speaker 5: Prime Minister and I want to do that with goodwill.
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Speaker 2: But how far should an opposition go to support bad
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Speaker 2: policy just to make it less bad than it otherwise
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Speaker 2: would be.
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Speaker 3: Because this is a big judgment call.
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Speaker 2: It's a question that will come up frequently in this
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Speaker 2: term of parliament for the Liberals because despite Labour's big
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Speaker 2: majority in the House of Representatives, it still lacks a
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Speaker 2: majority in the Senate. To pass legislation, It'll need the
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Speaker 2: support of the Greens or the coalition now to get
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Speaker 2: Green support, the government would almost certainly have to make
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Speaker 2: its legislation worse to get the support of the Coalition,
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Speaker 2: and the government would presumably have to make its legislation
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Speaker 2: less bad. But should the Coalition support bad legislation through
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Speaker 2: the Senate making it less bad if they can, but
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Speaker 2: forever tying their name to something that they might fundamentally
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Speaker 2: disagree on something on principle, like in this case, a
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Speaker 2: new tax on unrealized gains. Yes, the government announced this
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Speaker 2: plan in the previous term of parliament and they are
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Speaker 2: claiming now a mandate for it. Yet the original announcement
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Speaker 2: was a broken promise from the previous election. Or Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanezy pledged to make no change of whatsoever he said
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Speaker 2: to taxes on superannuation. So an increase in tax on
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Speaker 2: the earnings of superannuation accounts with the big balance, Well,
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Speaker 2: that's a tax increase.
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Speaker 3: He said he wouldn't do it. It's a broken promise.
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Speaker 2: Normally, the Coalition does not support labor governments to increase
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Speaker 2: taxes and to break promises. Plus, in this case there's
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Speaker 2: the added issue of taxing unrealized capital gains, taxing money
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Speaker 2: that's not actually been earned and that's wrong in principle.
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Speaker 2: The new Shadow Treasure you Sorrow. Mayor Tet O'Brien has
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Speaker 2: said that his open to negotiating with the government provided
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Speaker 2: it drops its tax on unrealized capital gains.
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Speaker 4: If Labor is not prepared to compromise it all and
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Speaker 4: try to deliver lower, simpler fare of taxes, then there's
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Speaker 4: no deal to be had.
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Speaker 2: That means the government won't have to turn to the Greens,
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Speaker 2: who not only support taxing unrealized gains but want the
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Speaker 2: threshold for this drive to just two million. So either
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Speaker 2: we get an even worse tax increase thanks to the Greens,
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Speaker 2: or we get a less bad tax increase thanks to
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Speaker 2: the Coalition. Today, various Coalition MPs warned against supporting labor
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Speaker 2: super tax in any form.
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Speaker 6: The problem with unrealized gains. There's a lot of people
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Speaker 6: out there, like farmers, who have assets in superannuation, but
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Speaker 6: they may be asset rich, but they're cash poor and
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Speaker 6: they don't have the cash the cash flow to pay
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Speaker 6: a tax bill and an annual basis that could come under
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Speaker 6: this scheme. So there's no way Hell will support that.
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Speaker 6: We'll fight that to the death.
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Speaker 3: Just a really clear Marker.
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Speaker 7: I think for everyone out there asking where the Liberal
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Speaker 7: Party will be, we are the party of lower taxes.
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Speaker 6: We won't be reporting higher taxes.
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Speaker 2: And look, there's a lot of hypocrisy there about the politicians,
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Speaker 2: the PM in particular and farmers.
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Speaker 3: I'll get to that in the moment.
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Speaker 2: But the best thing here would be for Susan Lee
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Speaker 2: to announce it general principle, namely that the Coalition will
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Speaker 2: support good policy, but it will oppose bad policy, and
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Speaker 2: that it's not in the business of saving the government
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Speaker 2: from itself by supporting bad policy just because it's one
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Speaker 2: a few token concessions. If the Coalition is going to
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Speaker 2: do better this term than last, it has to learn
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Speaker 2: how to say no and fast.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: As you know, for years now, the Labor Party's been
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Speaker 2: claiming that it's so called green transition will save us money,
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Speaker 2: despite the evidence to the contrary of energy bill skyrocketing,
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Speaker 2: the more so called green power we have in the system. Well,
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Speaker 2: our new research from the IPA think tank that shows
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Speaker 2: the federal government spending on climate policies of one sort
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Speaker 2: of another is now in excess of nine billion.
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Speaker 3: Dollars a year.
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Speaker 2: Now, that's quite apart from the seven billion or so
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Speaker 2: that the federal government spent so far subsidizing the power
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Speaker 2: bills of households that have had their power bills go
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Speaker 2: up because.
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Speaker 3: Of its emissions obsession.
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Speaker 2: Here are just a few of the multi billion dollar
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Speaker 2: funds that the Albanezer government has established to combat climate change.
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Speaker 2: The Driving the Nation Fund, the Powering the Region's Fund,
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Speaker 2: Rewiring the Nation, the Carbon Farming Outreach Program, the Commonwealth
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Speaker 2: Climate Risk and Opportunity Management Program, the National Health, Sustainability
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Speaker 2: and Climate Unit, the Household Energy Upgrades Fund, Hydrogen Headstart,
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Speaker 2: the National Reconstruction Fund, and Future Made in Australia.
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Speaker 3: The IPA says that we're spending as much on climate
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Speaker 3: change as we spend on Australia's Air Force.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, if his green madness was a standalone budget item,
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Speaker 2: it would be amongst the top twenty biggest outlays for
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Speaker 2: the government. And of course, in addition to all the
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Speaker 2: billions we're spending as tax payers, what did all the
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Speaker 2: money we're spending as consumers, and all those extra costs
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Speaker 2: to meet these renewable energy targets and all the stuff
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Speaker 2: that's coming for us, the lower emissions on our vehicles
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Speaker 2: all up the cost is astronomical. Net zero Australia, a
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Speaker 2: collaboration between four universities headed up by a former chief scientist,
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Speaker 2: has estimated that the total cost of Australia achieving net
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Speaker 2: zero could be as high as nine trillion dollars. That's
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Speaker 2: trillion with the t nine trillion by twenty sixty, or
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Speaker 2: roughly four times our current total GDP. This is why
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Speaker 2: even sensible Labour people like former British PM Tony Blair
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Speaker 2: I think this whole net zero project is quote doomed
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Speaker 2: to fail.
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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, you're at home. We pay through the es for
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Speaker 3: something that the rest.
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Speaker 2: Of the world is rejecting. All right, let's get the
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Speaker 2: headlines now. Scotty's political reporter Ribbon Spargo.
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Speaker 8: Australia's economic growth has slowed in the face of global headwinds.
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Speaker 8: The Australian economy expanded by zero point two percent in
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Speaker 8: the March quarter, down from zero point six percent in December.
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Speaker 8: There's been a decline in mining revenue and a full
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Speaker 8: in government investment. The Treasurer has declared the private sector
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Speaker 8: is powering economic growth.
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Speaker 7: Oh I still am very firmly optimistic about the future
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Speaker 7: of our economy despite all of these very substantial global
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Speaker 7: economic headwinds.
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Speaker 8: The Reserve Bank is tipped to cut rates in July
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Speaker 8: to prop up the economy. The Treasurer is defending the
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Speaker 8: fairness of Labour's proposed superannuation tax. It will apply to
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Speaker 8: unrealized capital gains everyday. Australians will be forced to find
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Speaker 8: the cash to pay the annual tax immediately. Veteran polge
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Speaker 8: titians eligible for older supers schemes, including Anthony Alberanzi, will
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Speaker 8: be able to defer payments until they retire.
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Speaker 7: We charge an interest rate on those liabilities to make
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Speaker 7: sure that people don't receive an inappropriate advantage.
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Speaker 8: The Alberanzi government will need support in the Senate to
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Speaker 8: pass the legislation. Till Independent nicolete Buller has clinched victory
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Speaker 8: in the Sydney seats of Bradfield. It's the last House
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Speaker 8: of Representative seat to be finalized.
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Speaker 2: There is no such thing as a safe seat and
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Speaker 2: that better as possible, so thank you.
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Speaker 8: The Liberals are considering a legal challenge following a tight recount, Right.
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Speaker 2: Planning to get across down joining me Senior reporter Carol
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Speaker 2: and Marcus, a National Affairs editor at the Jade Telegraph
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Speaker 2: of course to Sky News hosted as well James Morrow,
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you. Both will get into the mechanics of
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Speaker 2: Labour's planned super changes in a moment with Warren Hogan.
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Speaker 2: But let's look at the politics here, because things are
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Speaker 2: really heading up. The PM says he's got the door
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Speaker 2: open for the coalition and to do some sort of
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Speaker 2: deal on these changes he wants. Obviously, the sidestep for Greens.
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Speaker 2: A sticking point, of course is this tax on unrealized gains.
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Speaker 8: First line in the sand that can't be crossed is
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Speaker 8: taxing unrealized capital gains.
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Speaker 9: That's something that is abhorrent in every ideology.
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Speaker 6: There's no way in hell will support a tax on
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Speaker 6: people that don't have the means to pay for it.
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Speaker 6: There's so cooled. Tax on unrealized gains is incredibly unfair.
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Speaker 10: Reality is, if you're under thirty, you'll be impacted by
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Speaker 10: this change because of the lack of indexation. So there
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Speaker 10: are two red lines that will negotiate in good faith you.
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Speaker 2: And of course the problem with the Greens is they
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Speaker 2: want to go even further.
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Speaker 11: It would touch only half a percent of people. We
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Speaker 11: are talking about, folks, who have an awful lot of
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Speaker 11: money in their super accounts that is not ordinary people.
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Speaker 11: And we do think we need to raise revenue to
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Speaker 11: fund the things that people need, like hospitals and schools
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Speaker 11: and clan cheat renewable energy.
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Speaker 2: James, I still remember all these debates we had an
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Speaker 2: opposition last time. I mean, how much do you save
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Speaker 2: a bad government from itself? How much do you make
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Speaker 2: bad bills or bad legislation less bad? And how much
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Speaker 2: do you say, not on principle, Not on principle, will
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Speaker 2: was support any amendments here. We can't cave our values
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Speaker 2: even to, as I say, make it less bad.
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Speaker 3: This is not going to be easy for the coalition.
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Speaker 12: No it's not. But I think this is where principle
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Speaker 12: really comes into play here, Peter. And if it's a
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Speaker 12: bill you're talking about that has some potential benefit for
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Speaker 12: the country that doesn't run against your principles, of course,
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Speaker 12: as an opposition, you know, you try and work with
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Speaker 12: the government to make it how you'd like it to
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Speaker 12: see and make it better and improve the thing for
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Speaker 12: the sake of the country. But if it's a piece
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Speaker 12: of legislation like this one we're talking about here, which
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Speaker 12: runs against a fundamental core principle of fairness, and I
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Speaker 12: would think a core fundamental principle of the Liberal Party
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Speaker 12: and the Coalition, I e. That you don't tax people
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Speaker 12: on unrealized gains. Well, there's no improving it. And I
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Speaker 12: think opening the door even a jot to that is
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Speaker 12: actually a really dangerous thing for the Coalition to do here,
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Speaker 12: because we know that people like Robert Gottlieb's have been
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Speaker 12: talking about how they're writing these regulations around this so
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Speaker 12: that the door could be opened later on to once
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Speaker 12: this is approved. Once this goes through, it could be
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Speaker 12: used for other asset classes, including some suggested the family home.
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Speaker 12: This needs to be resistant and I think that even
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Speaker 12: if you know the Greens are going to try and
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Speaker 12: make it worse, well, you don't try and save them
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Speaker 12: from themselves on this. And the other thing I'd say finally, Pete,
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Speaker 12: is that there's this sort of general assumption, and there
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Speaker 12: wasn't that last grab you played there, that there is
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Speaker 12: no ability to do anything that cuts spending, anything that
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Speaker 12: saves money, That spending will only ever ratchet up and
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Speaker 12: you need to continue to find more and more ways
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Speaker 12: to pay for these things. That's a nonsense and if
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Speaker 12: the Liberals are going to get their economic credentials back
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Speaker 12: after this last election, they need to rediscover these principles,
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Speaker 12: fight for them and argue why they're good. Don't go
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Speaker 12: and open the door to helping. You know, this bad
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Speaker 12: principle become just something that's accepted in Australian life.
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Speaker 2: Caroline, Let's go to Dorinda Cox, because the Australians spoken
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Speaker 2: to one of the complainants against her. She's now, of
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Speaker 2: course a Labor senator, Waza Green. These are allegations regarding
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Speaker 2: bullying in her office. Esther Montgomery is the woman concerned.
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Speaker 2: She's not mincing her words, she says. Dirinda Cox is
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Speaker 2: a creature of habit. She's a bully by nature. And
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Speaker 2: it's going to be very very interesting the dynamics, she says,
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Speaker 2: within the party.
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Speaker 13: WHOA yeah, I don't know if this is going to
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Speaker 13: work out too well for Labor, to be honest, Peter,
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Speaker 13: I mean there's already accusations of senior Labor women who
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Speaker 13: are mean girls. With that that's been hanging over some
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Speaker 13: of the senior figures within the Labor Party already, like
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Speaker 13: Penny Wong and Katie Gallagher. Now we've got this woman
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Speaker 13: who and it's not just this indigenous elder, an activist
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Speaker 13: who worked for her, who's saying that. There are a
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Speaker 13: number of people who have raised bullying allegations against Senator
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Speaker 13: Cox and apparently they're not going anywhere. They're not satisfied
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Speaker 13: with how their bullying accusations were handled, and they are
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Speaker 13: promising to continue.
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Speaker 3: To pursue them.
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Speaker 13: But that's just one issue for Labor because I don't
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Speaker 13: know how Derinda Cox's values are going to fit within
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Speaker 13: the party. Not only was she opposed to the Northwest
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Speaker 13: Shelf gas expansion, she's come out at anti Israel protests
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Speaker 13: numerous times, calling out from the river to the sea
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Speaker 13: and free, free Palestine. And when you've got a prime
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Speaker 13: minister who, for whatever you know, increasing hostility the Labor
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Speaker 13: government had shown towards Israel, Anthony Albanizi has at least
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Speaker 13: acknowledged that phrases like from the river to the sea
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Speaker 13: are very violent. How are the two going to sit together?
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Speaker 13: We've already seen what happened to Fatima Payman. You can't
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Speaker 13: cross the floor on these issues in Labor, So I'm
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Speaker 13: very curious to see how.
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Speaker 3: This new relationship is going to go. Let's go to Bradfield.
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Speaker 2: James at til There's picked it up by just twenty
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Speaker 2: seven votes. It could well go to the courts. I'll
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Speaker 2: come back to that in a moment though. This correct
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Speaker 2: my mass here. But the Lips then have only won
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Speaker 2: one seat only at the last election seat of Goldstein,
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Speaker 2: this one. Obviously Bradfield was a seat they held. They've
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Speaker 2: lost that, Gizelle kep Terrian, this is what I think
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Speaker 2: is going to get really interesting. In the leadership ballot
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Speaker 2: between Susan Lee and Angus Taylor, Giselle cap Terrian was
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Speaker 2: given permission she hadn't won the seat yet to attend
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Speaker 2: and to vone, and she voted for Susan Lee along
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Speaker 2: with Holly Hughes and Linda Reynolds. Now, obviously she's not
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Speaker 2: going to be in the party room from here on
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Speaker 2: in as a number for Lee and those two senators
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Speaker 2: Hughston Reynolds, or they're out. They're out of opposite at
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Speaker 2: the end of this month. So Susan Lee's lead over
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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor is basically evaporated, and she's got to find
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Speaker 2: someone else in the front beench.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, hackey. She put her on the front bench and
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Speaker 3: she hadn't even won her seat.
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Speaker 12: Well, yeah, I mean that's extraordinary giving her this assistant
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Speaker 12: i think communications role in the shadow ministry without having
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Speaker 12: a won the seat, and b without even having had
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Speaker 12: any experience you know, as an MP even yet before.
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Speaker 12: So that was pretty extraordinary. But it was of course
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Speaker 12: all part of the way that you know, the opposition
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Speaker 12: leader structured this whole reshuffle going into the you know,
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Speaker 12: the new phase vib here under her leadership, and you know,
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Speaker 12: I think that there's going to be a lot of
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Speaker 12: problems for her running down the track here because, as
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Speaker 12: you say, she's lost the votes of Holly Housen and
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Speaker 12: Rentalds who are out at the end of June. I
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Speaker 12: believe it is also Giselle Capturion not there. And she
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Speaker 12: has at the same time faced I think a lot
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Speaker 12: of accusations from conservatives and conservative women in the party,
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Speaker 12: in particular in the party room, that she sidelined them
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Speaker 12: as payback and square up over ideology and policy and
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Speaker 12: for voting for Angus Taylor and not her. So this
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Speaker 12: I think is going to be this is going to
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Speaker 12: have some repercussions. I think we're gonna see three, six,
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Speaker 12: nine months down the track. We're gonna go back to
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Speaker 12: this conversation and say does Susan Lay have the numbers?
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Speaker 12: And say should she have strategically when she was in
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Speaker 12: this very sort of dicey position, just getting started annoy
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Speaker 12: so many people and so many women on the right
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Speaker 12: side of the party room.
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Speaker 3: It's very shrewd.
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Speaker 2: Not even a month they she had a lot of
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Speaker 2: enemies with that rechauffeux. Not even a month theater and
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Speaker 2: that basically her leader's evaporated. Let's go to Queensland outrage.
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Speaker 2: There After, the States Court of Appeal upheld the sentences
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Speaker 2: of two teenagers who violently invaded the home of former
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Speaker 2: Wallaby star Totai Kefu in Brisbane. This appeal was lodged
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Speaker 2: by Avet Datha. Former Attorney General. Kaiser Shields has the details.
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Speaker 14: Three Courts of Appeal judges found no error was made
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Speaker 14: during the sentencing of two offenders who stormed the Kefu
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Speaker 14: family home in Brisbane in twenty twenty one. Armed with knives.
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Speaker 14: The offenders, who were fifteen years old at the time,
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Speaker 14: injured five people. They were sentenced to eight and seven
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Speaker 14: years in jail after pleading guilty to charges related to
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Speaker 14: the incident, but only had to serve half their sentence.
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Speaker 14: No convictions were recorded to aid their rehabilitation, which has
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Speaker 14: outraged community. One of the offenders has already been released
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Speaker 14: from jail. The second will walk free in August. Both
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Speaker 14: offenders will have a clean slate with no permanent reminder
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Speaker 14: of the hum they caused to the Kefu family.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Caroline, you know they shoplift a
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Speaker 2: bit fine. I have no issues with their names not
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Speaker 2: having a conviction attached to them as miners, but if
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Speaker 2: they shoplift with a machete, or if they invader home
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Speaker 2: like they did here, the idea that this is absolutely
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Speaker 2: wiped from their record, this sort of violent crime. I
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Speaker 2: think Australians would say it's unacceptable.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's sickening.
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Speaker 13: But it's yet another example of the courts putting the
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Speaker 13: rights of young offenders and offenders in general over the
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Speaker 13: rights of their victims and of the community at large
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Speaker 13: to feel safe in their own homes. We're talking about
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Speaker 13: two boys, and they were closer in age to sixteen
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Speaker 13: at the time time of this offense, so they weren't
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Speaker 13: young children by any means. They were old enough to
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Speaker 13: frankly know what they were doing and know right from wrong.
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Speaker 13: They went into the house. One attacked a woman with
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Speaker 13: a sickle. I mean that's the weapon that the grim
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Speaker 13: Reaper uses. The other with a knife. And these are
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Speaker 13: the sentences that they get. And one is already out.
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Speaker 13: One is going to be free. In August, the Attorney
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Speaker 13: General appealed them, saying these are manifestly inadequate sentences. But
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Speaker 13: there's court of appeal of three judges decided that while
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Speaker 13: they were really serious offenses, they agreed with that. No,
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Speaker 13: they're going to stick with them, that they're enough. And
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Speaker 13: I just don't know how that is going to be
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Speaker 13: a deterrent to other young people who might be considering
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Speaker 13: a life of crime.
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Speaker 2: James were almost out of time. But I tell you what,
20:53
Speaker 2: it's a mess in Tasmania. No confidence motion against the
20:56
Speaker 2: Liberal premier has been on foot for what five or
20:59
Speaker 2: six hours of debate today it looks like it will carry.
21:03
Speaker 2: So what he's got a choice to call an election
21:07
Speaker 2: or fall on his sword. Is that how it's going
21:08
Speaker 2: to work?
21:11
Speaker 12: Well, yeah, I think so. And of course it all
21:13
Speaker 12: comes down to a huge amount of debt that's been
21:15
Speaker 12: racked up by this government as well as all the
21:17
Speaker 12: conspiracy over that big stadium in Hobart, which you know,
21:21
Speaker 12: someone who's been fan of Hobart at the city. I'm
21:23
Speaker 12: not sure that that big, hulking structure is exactly what
21:26
Speaker 12: that lovely, gorgeous waterfront quite needs. Yeah, it's really really
21:31
Speaker 12: messy and we could very well see I do election
21:34
Speaker 12: there in Tasmania very soon.
21:37
Speaker 3: Jeez.
21:38
Speaker 2: If only a no confidence motion was as easy to
21:40
Speaker 2: get rid of a debt laden government in Victoria, I
21:42
Speaker 2: would all be happy down here in Melbourne, ill tell
21:43
Speaker 2: you what.
21:44
Speaker 3: Thank you both. All right, it's official.
21:46
Speaker 2: We're back, sadly in a per capita recession, gross domestic
21:49
Speaker 2: product rising by zero point two percent in the March
21:52
Speaker 2: quarter and one point three percent year on year according
21:55
Speaker 2: to the latest set of national accounts. Someone's going to
21:57
Speaker 2: take it through it all and get the juice on
21:59
Speaker 2: it all. Judobank Economic Advisor Warren Hogan, Warren, thank you.
22:04
Speaker 2: To what extent do you think the government relies on
22:06
Speaker 2: population growth, particularly high immigration, is masking the fundamental weaknesses
22:12
Speaker 2: in our economy.
22:15
Speaker 10: Yeah, good evening, Peter. Look to some extent that is true,
22:18
Speaker 10: especially this surge that they undertook through the last few years.
22:21
Speaker 10: It is coming back now to more normal levels, and
22:24
Speaker 10: of course the economy would be weaker if there's less heads.
22:27
Speaker 10: But the real issue we've got here, and these numbers
22:29
Speaker 10: today highlight it is the size of government. The growth
22:32
Speaker 10: of the federal government. It's intruding into our economy like
22:35
Speaker 10: we've never seen before, and that of course is pressuring
22:39
Speaker 10: the private sector. It is reducing productivity because it's the
22:43
Speaker 10: government that decides who gets the job rather than the
22:47
Speaker 10: market or the business community, and this is undermining our productivity.
22:52
Speaker 10: Of course, it's keeping inflation in the system, and we're
22:55
Speaker 10: just not growing and our living standards are going backwards.
22:58
Speaker 10: So you know, this is just another minder that our
23:01
Speaker 10: problems are very clear and present. They're not some hypothesis
23:06
Speaker 10: about what could happen in the future. It's happening now
23:08
Speaker 10: as we speak.
23:11
Speaker 3: That's a really good point. So pull that apart a
23:13
Speaker 3: little bit more.
23:13
Speaker 2: Explain how government, big government or growing big government constrains
23:18
Speaker 2: the private sector.
23:20
Speaker 10: Well, I mean, for a start, we've seen such a
23:23
Speaker 10: massive shift in the federal government spending and it's not
23:26
Speaker 10: public servants. It is the funding of these programs, particularly
23:29
Speaker 10: related to the care economy, which are all sort of
23:32
Speaker 10: a great ambition, but it's a question of at what cost.
23:35
Speaker 10: And they're out there spending and hiring, and of course
23:38
Speaker 10: we are now in a world where we have labor shortages.
23:41
Speaker 10: The working age population is shrinking compared to the overall population,
23:46
Speaker 10: complete reverse of the last sixty years. And then the
23:48
Speaker 10: government's out there hiring. It's making it harder for private
23:52
Speaker 10: business to get hold of quality staff or staff at all.
23:55
Speaker 10: It's keeping labor costs up, that's keeping inflation up, and
23:58
Speaker 10: of course it's going to put business off investing eventually,
24:02
Speaker 10: if not already. And of course we're seeing business failures
24:05
Speaker 10: coming through, and part of that's that they can't get
24:07
Speaker 10: a hold of staff. Then there's the traditional question of
24:10
Speaker 10: how they fund this spending, which is a record income
24:13
Speaker 10: tax burden, And of course now we're in debt or deficits,
24:17
Speaker 10: which is driving our debt. So there's a whole range
24:20
Speaker 10: of aspects to this radical shift in the size of
24:22
Speaker 10: our federal government, which is undermining the performance of our economy.
24:26
Speaker 10: It's essentially unwinding everything we built in the last forty years.
24:29
Speaker 10: And of course it was an alp government Bob Hawk
24:32
Speaker 10: that did this and was the underpinnings of our modern prosperity.
24:37
Speaker 3: But we're breaking a.
24:38
Speaker 2: Lot of principles too with some of that employment policy.
24:42
Speaker 2: I have to say, Warren, because you know, when I
24:44
Speaker 2: started out in politics, we didn't find the Commonwealth government
24:47
Speaker 2: or the public sector funding pay increases in the private sector.
24:53
Speaker 2: Now that is happening at a pace. These are people
24:55
Speaker 2: in age care and childcare centers who are privately employed.
25:00
Speaker 2: They are getting their wages boosted by the taxpayer. Yet
25:03
Speaker 2: if you're running a small business in your staff are
25:05
Speaker 2: overdue for pay rise, you know Jim Chalmers is in
25:08
Speaker 2: fixing it for you.
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Speaker 12: No.
25:10
Speaker 10: I mean in terms of childcare, age care, health, the
25:14
Speaker 10: private operators are being squeezed as we speak because the
25:17
Speaker 10: government's up there pushing up wages of many of these workers.
25:21
Speaker 10: They're going to fund the public element, but there's a
25:24
Speaker 10: private element there. And of course, these private hospitals, these
25:28
Speaker 10: private age care providers, these are critical and leading edge
25:31
Speaker 10: innovators in these industries and we're squeezing them because of
25:34
Speaker 10: these policies. And that's just the start. I mean, it's
25:36
Speaker 10: a broader issue here. If you think about the three
25:41
Speaker 10: quarters of the jobs that have been created in this
25:43
Speaker 10: country at the moment are being determined by bureaucrat and
25:45
Speaker 10: camera effectively, and is not the market that is out
25:49
Speaker 10: there determining where the next bit of labor goes. And
25:51
Speaker 10: of course that's why the productivity in this economy is
25:54
Speaker 10: so bad. And of course I worry that eventually it
25:57
Speaker 10: just means the business community can't grow. And right now
26:01
Speaker 10: we need businesses investing in all this new technology to
26:04
Speaker 10: deal with the to deal with the labor shortages and
26:07
Speaker 10: to get our living standards moving forward. The government's not
26:09
Speaker 10: going to do that.
26:13
Speaker 2: It looks like we might have another war amongst the
26:15
Speaker 2: states on the GST Looming. I know what Scott Morrison
26:19
Speaker 2: was trying to do, ensure that poor old WA who
26:22
Speaker 2: reforms its economy, who utilizes and exploits its resources, is
26:27
Speaker 2: not propping up the other states to do none of that,
26:30
Speaker 2: like Victoria and others. But the others on the Eastern
26:34
Speaker 2: Seaboard are not taking it lying down.
26:36
Speaker 10: No, no, Well, Wi has got a sweet deal. You
26:39
Speaker 10: know more about the problems of state federal relations and
26:42
Speaker 10: the structure of our government. And of course Wa is
26:45
Speaker 10: an extremely volatile economy because it's a mining economy, and
26:48
Speaker 10: this deal essentially means that when they're under pressure they
26:52
Speaker 10: get supported, but when they're doing well, they don't have
26:55
Speaker 10: to give as much back. The problem, I think is
26:57
Speaker 10: really that Victoria is running itself into the but we're
27:00
Speaker 10: going to end up supporting them the rest of the
27:02
Speaker 10: country through these sorts of arrange. We need a tax
27:06
Speaker 10: tax system review. We need the sort of the Ken
27:08
Speaker 10: Henry type review to get looked at seriously because everything
27:11
Speaker 10: from this capital gains, tax on super to the burden
27:14
Speaker 10: on income taxes gst from it's broken. It's not fit
27:18
Speaker 10: for purpose for the future.
27:19
Speaker 2: Economy couldn't agree more and you don't do the stuff
27:23
Speaker 2: that they're doing now in this unrealized capital gains. I mean,
27:26
Speaker 2: the treasure was put under some pressure today we know
27:29
Speaker 2: the politicians are getting a sweet deal out of this
27:31
Speaker 2: with it to find benefits schemes. He tried to say, no,
27:34
Speaker 2: that's just all media lies.
27:36
Speaker 3: Have a listen and you confirm that.
27:38
Speaker 15: The tax on three million dollars superannuation funds will only
27:42
Speaker 15: apply to the Prime minister once he leaves, offers that
27:45
Speaker 15: you won't pay any extra tax on his superannuation until
27:49
Speaker 15: he leaves.
27:49
Speaker 4: Office under your legislative.
27:52
Speaker 7: I'm so pleased you ask me this question. Tax liabilities
27:55
Speaker 7: are deferred until a pension phase because members in those
27:58
Speaker 7: schemes can't access this super to pay tax debts until
28:02
Speaker 7: that point. It's a function of necessity that that's how
28:05
Speaker 7: that calculation is made. But we charge an interest rate
28:10
Speaker 7: on those liabilities to make sure that people don't receive
28:15
Speaker 7: an inappropriate advantage.
28:18
Speaker 2: Okay, but isn't that the whole issue with this bloody tax.
28:22
Speaker 2: It's all right for the politicians. They can put it off,
28:24
Speaker 2: pay a little bit of interest, pay the tax when
28:27
Speaker 2: they've got the money and they're poor. But that's the
28:29
Speaker 2: issue with the farmer. You know, if the farmer is
28:31
Speaker 2: not making any money, but they've got this land that
28:34
Speaker 2: on paper value is expensive and worth something, and it's
28:37
Speaker 2: gone up in value, what.
28:38
Speaker 3: Are they supposed to do.
28:39
Speaker 2: Do they get to defer it, the pay it of
28:41
Speaker 2: interest and pay it down the track when they've had
28:43
Speaker 2: a good season. No, they have to sell their land.
28:46
Speaker 2: This is the whole point, Jim Charmers.
28:50
Speaker 10: And it's not just a farmer, it's anyone with an
28:52
Speaker 10: illiqui asset, like a property, a house, something like that.
28:55
Speaker 10: I mean, what they're trying to do, of course, is
28:58
Speaker 10: just get these assets out of super and get to
29:00
Speaker 10: the beneficial tax treatment because the supersystem is not delivering
29:04
Speaker 10: what was promised thirty years ago. It's too expensive and
29:08
Speaker 10: they need to tax that income. So they're basically just
29:10
Speaker 10: trying to create a tax incentive to and they've said it,
29:14
Speaker 10: a number of the ministers or assistant ministers have said it.
29:17
Speaker 10: They're just trying to get people to get their superbalances
29:19
Speaker 10: down below three million and of course therefore not getting
29:22
Speaker 10: the tax benefit because we cannot afford it, because our
29:25
Speaker 10: tax system overall is not fit for purpose. And this
29:28
Speaker 10: isn't this isn't the last of it. We're going to
29:31
Speaker 10: see them looking for all sorts of new taxes because
29:34
Speaker 10: the demands on government revenues are going to be huge
29:37
Speaker 10: as the costs of all these programs they've put in
29:39
Speaker 10: place balloon as this inflation keeps running through the economy.
29:46
Speaker 2: Jesus, good times ahead for us in Australia. Warren Hagan,
29:49
Speaker 2: thank you. After the break and other escalation in defense, Retrick,
29:53
Speaker 2: the Chief the Defense Force, saying we have to be prepared.
29:55
Speaker 2: He says, this is really interesting to launch combat operations
29:59
Speaker 2: in Australia. We haven't seen it since the Second World War.
30:03
Speaker 2: Classes stagger, we increase in climate spending more than that
30:06
Speaker 2: in a moment, welcome back when you heard economists Warren Hogan.
30:13
Speaker 2: Most Australian businesses are struggling, but not if you're in
30:15
Speaker 2: the business of renewables. They going gangbusters, all thanks to you,
30:19
Speaker 2: the taxpayer the first while the over ever increasing defense
30:23
Speaker 2: spending is raging on. There's been a timely and sobering
30:26
Speaker 2: assessment of where we stand today from Australia's Chief of
30:29
Speaker 2: Defense Force, Admiral David.
30:31
Speaker 16: Johnson, almost since the Second World War, about how we
30:35
Speaker 16: think of national resilience and preparedness of we may need
30:40
Speaker 16: to operate and conduct combat operations from this country, and
30:45
Speaker 16: that's everything from our nord and infrastructure, our supply chains,
30:49
Speaker 16: how we integrate with industry, states and territories. Is quite
30:53
Speaker 16: a different answer to that notion of operating from the homeland.
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Speaker 3: Join meen out to discuss this.
31:01
Speaker 2: Australian The Australians Foreign Editor Greg Sheridan. Greg, I'll tell
31:07
Speaker 2: you why, what a sobering thing for the CDF to
31:10
Speaker 2: say there, I mean clearly the parentheses. There was in
31:14
Speaker 2: relation to China, but a conversation about combat operations on
31:19
Speaker 2: our own soil. We've not really had this since the
31:23
Speaker 2: Second World War.
31:25
Speaker 17: Well, Peter, great to be with you, and you're absolutely
31:27
Speaker 17: right to focus on the historical significance of this remark.
31:30
Speaker 17: This has been a very historical week for Australia. Our
31:33
Speaker 17: ally has told us plainly and simply what we already know.
31:36
Speaker 17: Two percent of GDP on defense as a joke, just
31:39
Speaker 17: a joke. You can't possibly do it. You can't possibly
31:42
Speaker 17: take on nuclear subs and keep your defense budget essentially static.
31:46
Speaker 17: It was two percent when Alberzi came into government, it's
31:49
Speaker 17: two percent now. Alberizi and every one of his ministers
31:53
Speaker 17: has told us these are the worst strategic circumstances in
31:55
Speaker 17: eighty years. All of the people he's appointed to tell
31:58
Speaker 17: us about defense, peteran Angus Houston, Dennis Richardson have said
32:03
Speaker 17: you need three percent at least of GDP on defense.
32:06
Speaker 17: And now the Chief of the Defense Force, who a
32:09
Speaker 17: good uniform soldier will never explicitly criticize the government, has
32:13
Speaker 17: said we might need to face war from Australian shores.
32:18
Speaker 17: That's incredible think of the risk and danger that that
32:21
Speaker 17: would happen. We haven't done that since World War II.
32:26
Speaker 17: And with this astonishing level of risk, the Albanese government,
32:32
Speaker 17: the Chauncey Gardener government of the Western world, just blandly,
32:37
Speaker 17: you know, watches sucks its thumb and watches TV and says, yes,
32:41
Speaker 17: two percent is fine. We don't need to spend an
32:43
Speaker 17: extra dollar. We haven't got missile defense. We haven't got missiles,
32:46
Speaker 17: we haven't got drones, we haven't got counter drones, we
32:49
Speaker 17: haven't got Deadley squat And there it is. This is
32:52
Speaker 17: a shocking moment and the government is an absolute derelict
32:57
Speaker 17: failure in national security.
33:02
Speaker 3: So how do we get it to change? Greg?
33:03
Speaker 2: I mean you write about this all the time. We
33:06
Speaker 2: had Tony Havevott on the program last night saying that
33:08
Speaker 2: these are perilous times. We all agree that we must
33:13
Speaker 2: put the money in the budget. Now we've seen what's
33:16
Speaker 2: happening in the United Kingdom, even there under a labor
33:19
Speaker 2: a labor prime minister.
33:20
Speaker 3: They're lifting their game.
33:21
Speaker 2: We've had the rebuke from the United States, and you
33:24
Speaker 2: know they are our biggest ally. We bank on the
33:26
Speaker 2: United States, and it could well be a time where
33:29
Speaker 2: they say, well, hang on, Australia, you haven't pulled your weight,
33:31
Speaker 2: you haven't done what we told you to do. You
33:32
Speaker 2: do nothing to save yourself. We'll turn our attention somewhere
33:36
Speaker 2: else and you can fry when China comes and you're
33:39
Speaker 2: all speaking Mandarin. I mean, how do we as a
33:42
Speaker 2: country get our leaders to do what all the experts
33:46
Speaker 2: say we must do?
33:49
Speaker 17: Well, Peter, you know if I wish I had a
33:51
Speaker 17: good answer for you, but I would say this has
33:54
Speaker 17: been a comprehensive bipartisan failure. The coalition was hopeless in office.
33:59
Speaker 17: Scott Morrison announced the August subbs, he did not announce
34:02
Speaker 17: an extra dollar of money for them. He didn't tell
34:04
Speaker 17: the people that this was going to require three percent
34:07
Speaker 17: of GDP on defense. He never said a word about
34:09
Speaker 17: that when he was in office. Albanez he said all
34:12
Speaker 17: the right things about security, and opposition hasn't done anything
34:15
Speaker 17: about it in office. I think the absolute failure of
34:21
Speaker 17: the opposition in the last term to prosecute this as
34:24
Speaker 17: an issue. It wasn't an issue in the election campaign.
34:29
Speaker 17: The Trump administration has in fact been astoundingly polite and
34:34
Speaker 17: tolerant and easy going about us, not only is the
34:38
Speaker 17: American administration spending three and a half percent of its
34:41
Speaker 17: GDP on defense labor. In Britain is going to spend
34:46
Speaker 17: three percent, and we'll go up to three and a
34:47
Speaker 17: half percent. Germany is going to spend three and a
34:50
Speaker 17: half percent and another one and a half percent on
34:52
Speaker 17: defense infrastructure. But both the United States and Britain are
34:56
Speaker 17: now importing drones into their key operation rational planning for
35:03
Speaker 17: how they do military activity and who can watch. The
35:07
Speaker 17: Ukrainians just destroyed ten billion dollars or more worth of
35:11
Speaker 17: Russian strategic bombers and so forth with drones. We've got
35:16
Speaker 17: one armed drone in our order of combat. Because we
35:19
Speaker 17: spend all our money on Orcust subs and future frigates,
35:23
Speaker 17: which we're not going to get for another decade. We've
35:25
Speaker 17: got not a dollar leftover. The Albaneza government won't spend
35:28
Speaker 17: a dollar leftover. You can buy these drones or make
35:32
Speaker 17: them for less money than the salary of the ORCUST
35:37
Speaker 17: three star officers would require. You make as many as
35:40
Speaker 17: you need for the first three months. You train with them.
35:43
Speaker 17: The young people in the ADF break them, work them out,
35:46
Speaker 17: how they use them. They innovate with them. You've got
35:48
Speaker 17: to have a presence in Ukraine to see what's happening
35:51
Speaker 17: on the front line with them, because if we're ever
35:55
Speaker 17: in strife, you can bet our enemies will know all
35:57
Speaker 17: about this and what the Ukrainians did to the Russians.
36:02
Speaker 17: Our enemies will do our basis on the first day.
36:05
Speaker 17: We don't even know.
36:06
Speaker 3: Spot on spot.
36:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tony Ivy was saying last night, when he was
36:12
Speaker 2: in Odessa over the weekend, he went and saw a
36:15
Speaker 2: drone manufacturing outfitter. I think the former president Poroshchenko's involved
36:20
Speaker 2: in this. I know he's in a regiment as well.
36:23
Speaker 2: But their capability with you smell of an oily rag
36:26
Speaker 2: sort of funding to make themselves as combative as they
36:29
Speaker 2: were the other day with that missile strike is just outstanding. Unfortunately,
36:33
Speaker 2: you're right, our enemies will know more about this than
36:35
Speaker 2: we ever will. I'll leave it there, Greg, I've depressed
36:38
Speaker 2: us all tonight, but I think that's the reality. We've
36:39
Speaker 2: got to get a head around all right. After the
36:41
Speaker 2: breaking new analysis reveals the ballooning cost of Labour's Green
36:44
Speaker 2: and Gender Class secret documents, more of them from the
36:48
Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews era, that showed just how much was going
36:52
Speaker 2: to be spent on the voice Welcome back Wednesday. That
37:00
Speaker 2: means cal Richard's He'll be with us in a moment,
37:02
Speaker 2: but first let's be in my panel. Deputy Executive Director
37:04
Speaker 2: at the IPA, Daniel wild An l ANDP senator and
37:07
Speaker 2: just being promoted to James mcgrad. I'll get to that
37:09
Speaker 2: in a moment. Let's go to the report today from
37:12
Speaker 2: the IPA. Federal government spending on climate change and net
37:15
Speaker 2: zero policies has ballooned to nine billion dollars a year.
37:21
Speaker 2: This is work done by the new Chief Economist at
37:23
Speaker 2: the IPA, Adam Crichton. Now, just a decade ago that number,
37:27
Speaker 2: I won't say only, but that number was six hundred
37:30
Speaker 2: million dollars. In the first term the Albanezer government. There
37:33
Speaker 2: was a four one hundred percent increase in all of
37:36
Speaker 2: this funding. When Scott Morrison left office in twenty twenty two.
37:39
Speaker 2: That last budget had the spending at one point seven billion.
37:45
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Daniel, what are we even getting
37:48
Speaker 2: for this money?
37:49
Speaker 1: Well, what we're getting is a weakened economy, a divided
37:52
Speaker 1: society and a compromise national security environment. And the point here,
37:57
Speaker 1: Peter is this is just subsidies going directly to renewables generation.
38:02
Speaker 1: It doesn't count the subsidies going to consumers to pay
38:04
Speaker 1: the massive bills. And now we're in this ridiculous situation
38:07
Speaker 1: where we've got governments subsidizing the construction of wind and solar,
38:12
Speaker 1: governments subsidizing consumers' bills because wind and solar put up prices,
38:17
Speaker 1: and governments, including in New South Wales and Victoria, also
38:20
Speaker 1: subsidizing coal fire power stations to stay open because it
38:23
Speaker 1: turns out wind and solar aren't good at keeping the
38:25
Speaker 1: lights on either much better. Just to get rid of
38:28
Speaker 1: the subsidies, get rid of net zero, and have an
38:31
Speaker 1: energy system based on what we used to have, which
38:33
Speaker 1: was cold fire power underpinning the grid, which is twenty
38:36
Speaker 1: four to seven rain, hail or shine. It's just common sense.
38:40
Speaker 1: And you know, this splurge on net zero has just
38:43
Speaker 1: got to stop.
38:44
Speaker 2: I've just been talking to Greg Sheridan, very depressing about
38:47
Speaker 2: the rise of China and perhaps having to the combat
38:50
Speaker 2: forces in Australia. I reckon the only time we'll wake
38:52
Speaker 2: up to loving coal again and gas again is when
38:56
Speaker 2: China invades us, and of course they build their power
38:58
Speaker 2: stations here I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 3: It's just a shocker, James.
39:02
Speaker 2: Your new capacity as Shadow Special Minister of State means
39:06
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you about Bradfield. The very tight
39:08
Speaker 2: result there, Giselle Capterarians released as statements twenty seven votes
39:13
Speaker 2: in it. She says she will now review the two counts.
39:17
Speaker 2: I suspect this means the party will end up in court.
39:21
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what. Twenty seven votes in it.
39:25
Speaker 2: This just highlights, doesn't it, that we must have photo
39:28
Speaker 2: ID in order to vote.
39:33
Speaker 9: Totally, Peter. We must have photo ID to make sure
39:37
Speaker 9: that those who are able to vote are legally able
39:41
Speaker 9: to vote, and it stops voter fraud. There are always
39:45
Speaker 9: instances of people turning up and pretending to be someone else,
39:50
Speaker 9: and most Australians expect to be asked to provide some
39:53
Speaker 9: form of ID when they go to vote. Now, we
39:56
Speaker 9: tried to push this through Parliament when we're in power
39:59
Speaker 9: and Labor in the Greens well surprised. I posed it
40:03
Speaker 9: and we didn't ask for a photo ID. We sid
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Speaker 9: could use oh, mister Albanize's Mediacare card, you could use
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Speaker 9: that to show who you were, But Labor and the
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Speaker 9: Greens said no, Well, we wonder why i'd order second
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Speaker 9: guess what the New South Wales liber Party are going
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Speaker 9: to do. But I wouldn't be surprised if this ended
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Speaker 9: up in the Court of Dispute of Returns, which sits
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Speaker 9: as the High Court.
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Speaker 2: All right, well, we'll watch that one closely. Let's go
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Speaker 2: to Victoria. Secret documents revealing today that Daniel Andrews approved
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Speaker 2: six point five million dollars to support the Yes vote
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Speaker 2: in the referendum. These are documents that the Herald Son's
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Speaker 2: obtained under freedom of information laws. The government says, well,
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Speaker 2: don't worry, we didn't actually spend the money. The approval
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Speaker 2: came through three weeks before the vote. But I'll tell
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Speaker 2: you what, that's.
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Speaker 3: Not the point Daniel.
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Speaker 12: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 1: I think it's breathtaking arrogance. But it also, I think
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Speaker 1: reinforces what an incredible win it was for mainstream Australians.
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Speaker 1: So that the massive funding from governments, whether in Victoria
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Speaker 1: or at the federal level, the millions and millions of
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Speaker 1: dollars put in by these big woe corporations, and the
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Speaker 1: support from civil society and elsewhere, and the fact that
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Speaker 1: mainstream Australians saw through all of that, they understood the
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Speaker 1: critical nature of the vote. They voted no to the
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Speaker 1: Voice in large numbers, including in Victoria a strong majority
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Speaker 1: voted no. I think shows what a significant refutation of
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Speaker 1: the political elite and establishment that vote was. And I
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Speaker 1: was very disappointed that at the twenty twenty five federal
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Speaker 1: election the Coalition didn't talk about it at all until
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Speaker 1: Penny won Build the Cat and said that Labour's going
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Speaker 1: to put in the voice anyway, let's go back to Queensland.
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Speaker 2: I was talking at the other the show about that
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Speaker 2: decision today in their Court of Appeal James, where I
41:45
Speaker 2: won't say they're young people, they are youth. They are
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Speaker 2: late teens who participated in a home invasion that they
41:54
Speaker 2: will not have a conviction recorded against their name.
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Speaker 3: You've also had another.
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Speaker 2: Chakra up there that reforms to the magistrates courts could
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Speaker 2: soon allow accused criminals to appear by zoom.
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Speaker 3: I mean, give me a break.
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Speaker 9: Well, I looked into this is to make sure because
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Speaker 9: I know that that the data Chrysipility government is probably
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Speaker 9: the strongest government in Australia when it comes to being
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Speaker 9: on the sides of victims of crime and making sure
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Speaker 9: through yes with them our time and what this is.
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Speaker 9: It's not even an exposure, an exposure of a draft bill.
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Speaker 9: I would encourage people watching this program that when the
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Speaker 9: draft bill is put out for exposure and for comic
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Speaker 9: people to put submissions in. But people at the moment
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Speaker 9: can already appear by video link, both victims of crime
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Speaker 9: and the accused. I'm with you, Peter. I think if
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Speaker 9: someone has been accused of a crime, they should be
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Speaker 9: in the courthouse and they should be standing up there
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Speaker 9: and understand how the wills justice operate. But I need
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Speaker 9: people in Queensland to make sure when this draft bill
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Speaker 9: comes out in the coming months that they do put
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Speaker 9: their submissions because I know the deaf Frecklinton Attorney in
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Speaker 9: General who's a former solicitor from king Roy and the
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Speaker 9: Dan Purdy, the Police Minister, a former police officer. They
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Speaker 9: are on the sides of victims of crime and they
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Speaker 9: do not want the accused getting a free run. Here
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Speaker 9: all right, we.
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Speaker 3: Will watch that one.
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Speaker 2: Dan that you once lived in Victoria. I know you've
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Speaker 2: been around the Victorian Liberal Party. There's a war there
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Speaker 2: at the moment. This is about a plan that will
43:36
Speaker 2: go to the Admin Committee this is the sort of
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Speaker 2: the executive body of the Liberal Party next Thursday. I
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Speaker 2: am told it's a proposal for the party to pay
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Speaker 2: John Pezuto's two point three million.
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Speaker 3: Dollar debt Jeff Kennett once it paid.
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Speaker 2: Others in the party say, over my dead body, he
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Speaker 2: lost the case. As a lawyer going into the case,
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Speaker 2: he should have been prepared to stump up should he
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Speaker 2: have this result. He owns a home, I'm told in
44:03
Speaker 2: Hall thought he could go to the bank like the
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Speaker 2: rest of us and get alone and pay it back.
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Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what. It's not good, is it, Dan, Well,
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Speaker 3: it's not.
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Speaker 1: And you've led the debate on this in many ways
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Speaker 1: about the treatment of more redeeming from the start. Look,
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Speaker 1: I don't think that the Liberal Party itself should be
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Speaker 1: providing the funds. If individuals want to support John Persuda,
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Speaker 1: of course they're more than welcome to do that. But
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Speaker 1: the fundamental problem here was that the Liberal Party forgot
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Speaker 1: its values. We should believe in freedom of speech and
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Speaker 1: in common sense, and that men are men and women
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Speaker 1: are women, and that biological men should not be able
44:35
Speaker 1: to go into women's spaces, which is essentially what Moura
44:38
Speaker 1: was saying. Now we know from court documents that one
44:41
Speaker 1: of the reasons why the leadership of the Liberal Party
44:43
Speaker 1: decided to treat Morea the way that they did was
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Speaker 1: because they were intimidated by Daniel Andrews and the Labor Party.
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Speaker 1: And sadly, and I feel for John on a personal basis,
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Speaker 1: and I sympathize with John persudo on a personal basis,
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Speaker 1: But sadly, this is what happens when you take your
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Speaker 1: cues from your political opponents.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of decent Liberals would have the
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Speaker 2: same view about John. They would hope that he can
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Speaker 2: pay the debt and remain in the Parliament. But they
45:07
Speaker 2: are violently opposed to the party tipping in when the
45:10
Speaker 2: party's already had a shocking result federally and has got
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Speaker 2: a fight to get rid of the bad government. Come
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Speaker 2: next Novemba, gents, Thank you, thank you very much.
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Speaker 3: See you next week, all right, after break Worms with
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Speaker 3: Kel