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Ohio State NFL Draft Preview · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: is happening at the Shottenstein Center. So now on to
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Speaker 1: the main topic of today's show. Kevin Noon was joined
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Speaker 1: by Jeff Bell of Football Guys dot Com to preview
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Speaker 1: the Buckeyes in the NFL Draft. Buckuys have seventeen guys
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Speaker 1: who are draft eligible, fifteen of who went to the
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Speaker 1: combine lots to talk about there. These guys had a
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Speaker 1: great conversation, so you're going to get to hear all
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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Big Me Kickoff. I am your host,
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Speaker 4: Kevin Noon. We are recording this Wednesday night, but you
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Speaker 4: will see this on a Thursday at some point. And
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Speaker 4: we were talking NFL Combine, NFL Draft, and the Buck Guys.
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Speaker 4: And I am joined by a good friend, Jeff Bell
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Speaker 4: offootball Guys dot Com, who knows significantly more on the
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Speaker 4: pro side of things than I ever. Will be sure
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Speaker 4: to check out Football Guys for everything they do with
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Speaker 4: you know, draft, combine, fantasy football, everything else there one
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Speaker 4: stop shopping. I cannot recommend them enough. We will talk
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Speaker 4: a little bit more about what Footballguys dot com is,
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Speaker 4: but Jeff, welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Kevin. When you reached out, I
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Speaker 3: jumped at the opportunity. I was really excited to be
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Speaker 3: able to get on and talk with you. I know,
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Speaker 3: we met last year in Canton, and so that was
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Speaker 3: our first in person meeting. But I've followed you for
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Speaker 3: a long time. I'm an Ohio State fan. I live
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Speaker 3: in Columbus, and so your beat on the Buckeyes I've
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Speaker 3: certainly been plugged in on that, and getting this opportunity
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Speaker 3: to sit down to talk is fantastic.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I've been looking forward to It's been on my mind.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm going to get him on a show
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Speaker 4: at some point, and you are right out of the gate.
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Speaker 4: I mean we're done with the NFL combine at this point,
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Speaker 4: so it's time, I think anything prior to the combine.
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Speaker 2: There is a lot of market for there. I can
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Speaker 2: assure you.
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Speaker 4: Every day, I three or four times a day I'm
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Speaker 4: looking for the latest mock drafts everything else because I
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Speaker 4: just really enjoy the draft. I mean, it's just one
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Speaker 4: of those things and I'm that idiot that will listen
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Speaker 4: to it on the third day on the radio. So
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Speaker 4: I like satellite radio so I can avoid the TV
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Speaker 4: cover to where they don't announce the picks.
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Speaker 3: I don't blame me. I mean, yeah, I've always been
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Speaker 3: I absolutely loved the draft. I remember back in college,
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Speaker 3: way longer ago than I want to admit, me and
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Speaker 3: my roommate would shut in and we would watch both.
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Speaker 3: Back then it was both days of the draft, and
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Speaker 3: now it's three days of the draft. But I can't
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Speaker 3: get enough. It's our oasis of football in the middle
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Speaker 3: of our lack of football, and so I and especially
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Speaker 3: being an Ohio State fan, being involved in NFL coverage
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Speaker 3: really kind of bridging that gap and seeing these guys
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Speaker 3: step in and up to the next level. I just
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Speaker 3: love it. Every single year.
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Speaker 4: We'll get into specific Ohio State in a second. I've
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Speaker 4: got kind of an overriding question here, is the NFL
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Speaker 4: scouting combine as important as it once was? And hear
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Speaker 4: me out here, I mean, obviously we have, you know,
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Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl, in the East West Shrine Game and
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Speaker 4: other things, so there are other opportunities for some players.
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Speaker 2: I mean, not everybody can get there.
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Speaker 4: You're not having three hundred fifty two or however many
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Speaker 4: players it is involved with that, so there is that
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Speaker 4: opportunity for getting in front of the teams. Obviously there's
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Speaker 4: everybody has a pro day nowadays, so you have that there,
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Speaker 4: and you have so many players opting out of either
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Speaker 4: doing testing or even workouts, and you know, is the combine,
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Speaker 4: in your opinion, as important as it used to be
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Speaker 4: or am I looking at this the wrong way?
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Speaker 3: So I had a musing on social media leading up
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Speaker 3: to the combine that it did seem like it used
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Speaker 3: to be the combine would be kind of an approach
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Speaker 3: a prospect and say we have a question about your game.
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Speaker 3: The combine is their opportunity to answer that question. And
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Speaker 3: now it feels like the combine is an opportunity to
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Speaker 3: try to avoid that question entirely and leave it out there.
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Speaker 3: So I don't know that it nearly carries the importance.
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Speaker 3: You talk about players opting out and testing, and some
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Speaker 3: of it too is they just have different ways of
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Speaker 3: testing these players. Now we have like the Zebra technology
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Speaker 3: to tell how many miles per hour these players are running.
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Speaker 3: I mean, they've got chips and everything else in their uniforms,
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Speaker 3: so we you're able to get a lot of that
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Speaker 3: information in other ways beyond just we need to see
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Speaker 3: him running a straight line and see how fast he
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Speaker 3: runs forty yards like it used to be ten to
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Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty years ago.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I the biggest thing I've noticed. And
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Speaker 4: I've been covering the combine for a long time. I mean,
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Speaker 4: I I mean, I'm not thirty years or anything, but
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Speaker 4: mean I think I'm close to fifteen years at this point.
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Speaker 4: And it used to be the media they were doing
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Speaker 4: everything at Lucas Oil, and they had us in like
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Speaker 4: one of the like the Donor lounges essentially, and they're
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Speaker 4: like two podiums and three podiums, and they started moving
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Speaker 4: us around and now it's at the convention Center. And
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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, you better wear tennis shoes if
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Speaker 4: you're in the media, because you're you're running all over
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Speaker 4: the place and everything else. And now there is the
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Speaker 4: advent of selling tickets to fans to be able to
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Speaker 4: watch certain aspects of the testing or what's going on
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Speaker 4: at Luke this Oil with the on field stuff. Would
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Speaker 4: you if you weren't doing this for a living or
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Speaker 4: as you know, as as part of your living, would
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Speaker 4: would you go and just to go watch a bunch
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Speaker 4: of like running backs through the bench press?
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Speaker 2: Would you pay for that?
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Speaker 3: Well, the thing that now, with the NFL Draft moving around,
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Speaker 3: I think I would probably say, like, use my powder
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Speaker 3: on the NFL actual NFL Draft and go to those events,
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Speaker 3: because I mean, yes I would, because I love football
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Speaker 3: that much and certainly boots on the ground experience it's
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Speaker 3: worth seeing at least once. But I do I think,
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Speaker 3: you know, the explosion of the Senior Bowl coverage has
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Speaker 3: really happened, and there's a lot more media that's moving
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Speaker 3: down there, and you kind of wonder if fan experience,
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Speaker 3: do people even really know what they're watching or what
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Speaker 3: to watch for? Are they Yeah, you're just watching a
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Speaker 3: guy run in a line and seeing the number pop
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Speaker 3: up there. Those are all considerations. I think that the
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Speaker 3: best probably fan experience to travel around in the off
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Speaker 3: season would be that actual NFL Draft. But certainly I
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Speaker 3: am among probably the few diehards that would be willing
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Speaker 3: to jump on just about any opportunity.
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Speaker 4: One more question then we'll get into the Ohio state
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Speaker 4: specific things again. You're watching us here on the Big
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Speaker 4: Me Kickoff. Talked about the Senior Bowl. I talked about
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Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl, Jim Age leaving to go to be
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Speaker 4: the GM at Oklahoma. How much do you think that
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Speaker 4: impacts that event? He really was a driving force in
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Speaker 4: that event. I mean when I read when I read
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Speaker 4: that he was leaving to go to OU, I'm like,
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Speaker 4: uh oh, I don't know. I don't know what this
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Speaker 4: means for the Senior Bowl. You know what you're feeling there.
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Speaker 3: I imagine they'll nail that higher. They know that they
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Speaker 3: have to. We see Eric Galco that is running the
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Speaker 3: Shrine Bowl as well, and he's doing a good job
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Speaker 3: running the Shrine Bowl. That's a prestigious enough and Jim's
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Speaker 3: done a fantastic job to elevate it to the point
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Speaker 3: of being a prestigious enough job that I think they'll
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Speaker 3: get somebody that is plugged in and can bring some
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Speaker 3: cachet to that event. I think him stepping into Oklahoma
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Speaker 3: that we've speculated at football guys kind of behind the
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Speaker 3: scenes and talking about it, that the advent of college
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Speaker 3: ads are going to be here sooner than we realize,
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Speaker 3: and not even a year later. Here we are with
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Speaker 3: college athletic directors. Basic we're not athletic ers. General managers,
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Speaker 3: and that's really what Naggie is stepping in to do,
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Speaker 3: to be that general manager for the local homicide. I
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Speaker 3: think it's going to be interesting to see because he's
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Speaker 3: he's got this deep web now of connections that let
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Speaker 3: him know about these up and coming players. And as
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Speaker 3: you look at the transfer portal, that's going to probably
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Speaker 3: be a great opportunity for Oklahoma to pick up some
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Speaker 3: under the radar talent for the transfer portal, some of
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Speaker 3: these smaller school players that are really looking to be
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Speaker 3: able to step up and get another opportunity. That's big,
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Speaker 3: I think for the Oklahoma side of it. As for
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Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl side, I'm pretty confident that they're going
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Speaker 3: to find somebody that will continue to elevate it. That
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Speaker 3: being said and mentioned Eric Galco and what he's going
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Speaker 3: on with the Shrine Bowl, they're right on their heels.
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Speaker 3: They're nip it on their heels.
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Speaker 2: I know.
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Speaker 3: Sure Sanders didn't do much of anything except for interview
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Speaker 3: there at the Shrine Bowl this year, but flashback a
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Speaker 3: couple of years ago, Zay Flowers was a big get
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Speaker 3: for the Shrine Bowl, and the Shrine Bowl is starting
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Speaker 3: to pop some of these guys that our first round
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Speaker 3: expectations and players that can raise the profile of that
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Speaker 3: game as well. Well.
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Speaker 4: If you want me to cover your game. Have candy.
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Speaker 4: So I like the Senior Bowl. I've never been down
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Speaker 4: to the Senior Bowl. I've been to Mobile, never been
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Speaker 4: to the Senior Bowl. Talking about Oklahoma not going to
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Speaker 4: have you say anything on this, I'll say it because
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Speaker 4: I'm willing to put my you know what on the table.
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Speaker 4: Brent Venables better bring it this year because I don't
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Speaker 4: think he's got a lot of time, but I think
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Speaker 4: that they're GM higher. I think he's got legs that's
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Speaker 4: going to last beyond this head coach if it doesn't
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Speaker 4: necessarily work out.
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Speaker 2: But let's start.
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Speaker 4: Ohio State has seventeen players who are draft eligible, and
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Speaker 4: I'm not counting walk ons or anybody like that. Seventeen
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Speaker 4: that could have been invited to the Combine. Fifteen were
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Speaker 4: invited to the Combine. With with Josh Fryer and she
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Speaker 4: Scott Junior not getting invites, they're gonna have to show
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Speaker 4: out at the Pro day. We're going to focus on,
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Speaker 4: you know, still probably the top dozen or so who
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Speaker 4: of the and I have all of their NFL dot
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Speaker 4: Com scores. I really go to NFL dot Com a
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Speaker 4: lot just because I find it interesting.
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Speaker 2: You know, It's like, well, are they state media? Well, no,
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Speaker 2: not exactly.
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Speaker 4: I mean, because you can't necessarily be state media when
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Speaker 4: you have thirty two individual teams with their own draft board,
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Speaker 4: their own thoughts. And I don't care if you're Charles
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Speaker 4: Davis or whoever you're you don't necessarily know what everybody's thinking.
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Speaker 4: But who is your top rated buck eye in this draft?
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Speaker 4: Because I've seen some fluctuation out there, going to you know,
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Speaker 4: various draft clearing houses, going over to Draft network places
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Speaker 4: like that and looking at various you know, metrics isn't
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Speaker 4: necessarily agreed.
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Speaker 2: And I'll just say this.
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Speaker 4: At NFL dot Com has Donovan Jackson with a six
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Speaker 4: point four to oh rating out on a scale of
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Speaker 4: one to eight.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Jackson would be right there. I think
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Speaker 3: it's Josh Simmons, to be honest. And the irony is
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Speaker 3: he was the guy that wasn't involved in the playoff runt.
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Speaker 3: He was the guy that was injured. But when you're
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Speaker 3: really looking at positional value, that plays into it. We
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Speaker 3: know the NFL teams are just desperately needy for these
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Speaker 3: tackle prospects and for him to be able to profile
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Speaker 3: as step in as a left tackle, you know, he's
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Speaker 3: got to overcome that injury. But I think his value
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Speaker 3: there at left tackle relative to I mean, I think
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Speaker 3: overall the best player probably, I still would probably make
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Speaker 3: an argument for Trevon Henderson to be the best player there,
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Speaker 3: if not Donovan Jackson, but again a guard and running back,
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Speaker 3: and if they're going to keep Jackson at guard relative
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Speaker 3: to a left tackle or even a Mecca Book at
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Speaker 3: wide receiver, that's just we see a massive difference in
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Speaker 3: positional value when it comes to the NFL draft, and basically,
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Speaker 3: if you're not a left tackle, a corner, a wide receiver,
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Speaker 3: an edge rusher, or quarterback, almost forget about the first round.
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Speaker 3: You just have to be leave them in the elite
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Speaker 3: to crack in the first round outside of those positions,
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Speaker 3: So that really narrows the list, and that leaves Simmons
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Speaker 3: probably sitting at the top of my board.
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Speaker 4: You're right, there definitely is a you know, a positional
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Speaker 4: I don't want to say a bias, because it's not
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Speaker 4: a bias. It's just a reality of how teams are,
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Speaker 4: yeah are drafting, and whether or not there's just one
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Speaker 4: running back. It goes in the first round with Ashton
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Speaker 4: Genty out of Boise State or however, you know, however
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Speaker 4: that run may go. But let's let's talk specifically on
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Speaker 4: Simmons transfers from San Diego State. His PFF ranking was
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Speaker 4: not very good. But I told a lot of people
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Speaker 4: who are concerned at that point, well, offensive line, you
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Speaker 4: really get you really get graded as a unit in
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Speaker 4: a lot of ways. There's some individual stuff to it,
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Speaker 4: but there's a lot as through the unit. And he
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Speaker 4: went to a much better situation at Ohio State. Took
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Speaker 4: them a couple of games to get it figured out
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Speaker 4: in twenty three and then in twenty four, certainly was
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Speaker 4: playing like a first round type of player. Gets hurt
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Speaker 4: at Oregon. He says that he's ahead of this, ahead
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Speaker 4: of skill. He said this at the combine, he's ahead
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Speaker 4: of schedule in terms of his recovery. Might be able
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Speaker 4: to do a little bit at Ohio State's pro day.
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Speaker 4: I think that's March twenty sixth, but that there could
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Speaker 4: be like a mid April pro day, whether or not
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Speaker 4: that was, you know, being Ohio State or be in
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Speaker 4: San Diego where he's from. Just how much scrutiny does
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Speaker 4: a player go, I mean, especially somebody coming off a
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Speaker 4: catastrophic injury. How much scrutiny do they undergo in those
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Speaker 4: medicals because I know that the oh we're going to
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Speaker 4: talk to this player at eleven o'clock and we get
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Speaker 4: him at like three because they got held up at
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Speaker 4: the hospital for all the medicals.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you talk about what really matters at the combine,
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Speaker 3: I think that's what really matters at the combine. The
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Speaker 3: medicals are what really matters at the combine. And we
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Speaker 3: see obviously we saw it with Gosh Carter from Penn
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Speaker 3: State having that foot injury or the foot fracture that
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Speaker 3: he was, Abdul Carter having that foot issue that they
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Speaker 3: discovered at the combine there, and you know, it's you know,
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Speaker 3: the measurements and the injury are the two things that
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Speaker 3: schools kind of can cover up and they can kind
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Speaker 3: of play with a little bit. We see these guys
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Speaker 3: come in every year, these wide receivers that are six
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Speaker 3: foot two wide receivers, and then they step up on
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Speaker 3: the and then they're actually five to eleven and a
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Speaker 3: half and it's like, Okay, well that doesn't make any sense,
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Speaker 3: but yeah, we're here there, and so I think that's
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Speaker 3: he's got to clear that hurdle of the background on
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Speaker 3: the medical check. But from everything he's saying, and of
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Speaker 3: course everything that he would be saying at this stage
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Speaker 3: of the process, it does seem like, yes, like you said,
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Speaker 3: he's ahead of schedule, and I mean the ACL injury.
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Speaker 3: It's not ideal, but it is kind of something that
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Speaker 3: teams have dealt with in the past. It's not exactly
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Speaker 3: foreign to what the recovery would look like on that,
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Speaker 3: and so you would think that the league doctors that
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Speaker 3: get a look there would know the time frame and
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Speaker 3: know where he stands right now and clear him on
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Speaker 3: that if he is where he should be.
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Speaker 4: One last thing on Josh something that kind of got
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Speaker 4: pegged out there by the observers. And we're all so smart,
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Speaker 4: you know, we all Joe Burrow's hands are too small
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Speaker 4: or whatever.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know.
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Speaker 4: He's managed to make it work. But weird arm rating
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Speaker 4: for Josh Simmons, I mean the short arms or whatever.
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Speaker 4: What you know, did you pick up on that? What
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Speaker 4: are you know, what are your what are your thoughts
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Speaker 4: on that?
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Speaker 3: It does seem to be that is a big qualifier
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Speaker 3: for tackle that teams are sticklers on. There's just certain
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Speaker 3: things with certain positions that you know, seems like cornerbacks
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Speaker 3: with forty times teams are pretty sticklers on that. Arm
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Speaker 3: length on tackles is another issue there that, Yeah, that
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Speaker 3: does play into it. And I think another player that
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Speaker 3: sounded like Jack Sawyer got dinged on his arm length
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Speaker 3: as well, And so that's a player that would be
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Speaker 3: up in that conversation. Especially everybody around the Ohio State
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Speaker 3: program saw the run. He was basically captain Buckeye on
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Speaker 3: that playoff run, and too, I think that some Ohio
16:53
Speaker 3: State fans might be a little bit surprised on where
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Speaker 3: the league actually kind of stands on Sawyer right now,
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Speaker 3: because it does seemed to be I'm it's just not
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Speaker 3: hearing a lot of real steam out there for him.
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Speaker 4: We'll get to Sawyer here in a couple of minutes,
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Speaker 4: but let's stay on the offensive line, and you have
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Speaker 4: Donovan Jackson, all conference level guard. I say, lose A Simmons.
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Speaker 4: They put out Zen Mahalski for a game, he gets hurt,
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Speaker 4: it didn't necessarily work out. They finally kicked Simmons outside
17:23
Speaker 4: and he plays very well. Abdul Carter got to him
17:25
Speaker 4: a couple of times in the Penn State game. It's
17:28
Speaker 4: Abdul Carter. He could go number one overall theoretically, I
17:31
Speaker 4: mean whether or not you know the foot, But you
17:32
Speaker 4: know that's neither here nor the Penn State show. Does
17:38
Speaker 4: that versatility do anything? I mean, how do you think
17:41
Speaker 4: the NFL views Jackson as a guard? I mean, you
17:44
Speaker 4: know that's where he really made his bones, was a guard.
17:48
Speaker 4: I mean obviously during the championship run, you know, he
17:52
Speaker 4: played tackle at a very high level. I mean James
17:54
Speaker 4: Pearce wasn't able really to do anything against him. Jordan
17:58
Speaker 4: Birch wasn't able really to do anything against him. I mean,
18:00
Speaker 4: he went against some high profile dudes. But the league's
18:05
Speaker 4: going to do what the league's going to do.
18:07
Speaker 3: It is and it does. From what I have heard,
18:09
Speaker 3: it does seem like he is being looked at as
18:11
Speaker 3: a guard. You would think, given the value of tackle.
18:14
Speaker 3: If you, guys, if you think that he can play tackle,
18:18
Speaker 3: you put him out of there as a tackle. And
18:19
Speaker 3: I know that you see me. Behimam, a Bills fan,
18:22
Speaker 3: flashed back to I think it was Dion Dawkins. When
18:24
Speaker 3: he was drafted, teams viewed him as he was going
18:27
Speaker 3: to be a guard, and he came in and just
18:30
Speaker 3: locked it down at the left tackle position, and he's
18:32
Speaker 3: been a franchise stalwart there. It just the value of
18:35
Speaker 3: that left tackle far, far exceeds what you can get
18:38
Speaker 3: out of a guard. Even we've seen the value of
18:41
Speaker 3: guard rise lately because teams are so focused on creating
18:45
Speaker 3: that interior pressure and players like Chris Jones and Jalen
18:48
Speaker 3: Carter that can blow up the middle of offenses, and
18:51
Speaker 3: especially with these quick hitting offenses, getting pressure up the
18:55
Speaker 3: interior has raised the value of the guard position. But
19:00
Speaker 3: just kind of foundational fundamental. If you think that Donovan
19:03
Speaker 3: Jackson can be an NFL off tackle, you're going to
19:05
Speaker 3: give him a shot to be an NFL off tackle.
19:08
Speaker 4: So we've we've talked about the offensive line. You know,
19:11
Speaker 4: we can talk about south Man Laughlin, but we'll you know,
19:13
Speaker 4: we'll kind of let that one slide. He's coming off
19:16
Speaker 4: of an injury as well. He won the Rimington Award
19:19
Speaker 4: for being the best center in the nation. You know,
19:22
Speaker 4: everything kind of slides downhill. I mean, you know, from
19:25
Speaker 4: with you being an Ohio State fan, we you know,
19:27
Speaker 4: obviously we've seen some great centers come out of Ohio State.
19:30
Speaker 4: But it's been a hot minute since we've seen somebody
19:32
Speaker 4: maybe with as much steam as like a Nick Mangold
19:35
Speaker 4: or somebody like that. And be sure to check out
19:37
Speaker 4: his barbecue sauce at whatever it is seventy four barbecue
19:40
Speaker 4: sauce that he has. I've I've been trying to get
19:42
Speaker 4: him as a sponsor. It hasn't worked out so well.
19:46
Speaker 4: A Mecca Abuka that was another player that you had
19:48
Speaker 4: mentioned there. I've seen him certainly in the first round
19:51
Speaker 4: and a lot of mock drafts. Ohio State's leading, you know,
19:55
Speaker 4: reception receiver in history. He unforse fortunately has played around
20:01
Speaker 4: the likes of Jeremiah Smith, Marvin Harrison Junior, et cetera,
20:04
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. I mean, I think that, you know,
20:07
Speaker 4: on the college side, we can make the argument, is
20:09
Speaker 4: he the best Ohio State receiver? Is he the best
20:12
Speaker 4: ever played at Ohio State who never was maybe the
20:14
Speaker 4: number one option on his team, because I think that's
20:17
Speaker 4: very true. But he certainly has a body of work.
20:22
Speaker 4: I think that maybe some of the success that Jackson
20:24
Speaker 4: Smith and Jigba's had in Seattle, even though he's like
20:27
Speaker 4: the only one left in Seattle at this point, if
20:29
Speaker 4: you know the way it looks like, I mean, especially
20:32
Speaker 4: if you saw his I think it was on Instagram
20:34
Speaker 4: post of him with the Will Smith, you know, meme
20:37
Speaker 4: of him standing all alone in the room. But what
20:40
Speaker 4: what kind of buzzer you hearing on on Abucah.
20:45
Speaker 3: I think it's less anything that Abuka did and more
20:48
Speaker 3: Matthew Golden running that four two nine. I think really
20:52
Speaker 3: it's kind of I think that when you're breaking it
20:54
Speaker 3: down and some of that may be a positive for Abuka.
20:57
Speaker 3: Is Luther Burden coming in and having all hands, you know,
21:00
Speaker 3: we talk about different traits for different positions and hand size.
21:04
Speaker 3: Is it something for wide receivers. Luther Burden measured with
21:06
Speaker 3: small hands. But at the same time, Matthew Golden burned
21:09
Speaker 3: that four two nine. I've seen a lot of buzz
21:12
Speaker 3: about Golden following that because of that speed that was
21:16
Speaker 3: that was one that you know, the expectation. I mean,
21:18
Speaker 3: Isaiah Bond certainly declared that he was going to break
21:20
Speaker 3: the record, and it turns out that Matthew Golden is
21:23
Speaker 3: actually the fast tech Texas wide receiver. But that I
21:26
Speaker 3: think that it's one of those that it's less what
21:28
Speaker 3: happened with what Abuca was able to do, and more
21:32
Speaker 3: maybe Golden jumping him. And maybe the other thing that
21:35
Speaker 3: you're kind of hearing too is seems like does seem
21:39
Speaker 3: like most teams have Travis Hunter as a wide receiver
21:41
Speaker 3: on their board relative to cornerback. And so you know,
21:45
Speaker 3: if you if Travis Hunter, if everybody's using him as
21:47
Speaker 3: a wide receiver, that's one that's going to come in
21:50
Speaker 3: over top of Abuka. And then if Matthew Golden this
21:52
Speaker 3: time pushes him up, then that he's standing there above
21:55
Speaker 3: two Teed McMillan we know from Arizona, we're very familiar
22:00
Speaker 3: with him in the draft process. You've seen him pegged
22:02
Speaker 3: all over the board from going top ten down to
22:05
Speaker 3: twenty and so you're kind of he's sitting in that
22:08
Speaker 3: range in the team somewhere mention Luther Burden as well,
22:12
Speaker 3: and so it leaves Abuca in kind of blimbo. I
22:16
Speaker 3: guess maybe sitting there now that being said, I think
22:19
Speaker 3: that a Mecca Abuka is a Pittsburgh Steeler like to
22:22
Speaker 3: the core, like it's it is like out of central
22:24
Speaker 3: casting of if you need a Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver.
22:27
Speaker 3: And I mean, given what they saw with George Pickens,
22:30
Speaker 3: maybe they do need a Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver. But
22:32
Speaker 3: Abuka is the type of player that just can do
22:34
Speaker 3: that dirty work. And it would be that guy that
22:36
Speaker 3: you think flashback to heinz Ward and kind of cracked
22:39
Speaker 3: black blocks that used to be legal, those types of things.
22:42
Speaker 3: I feel like Abuka's got that within his wheelhouse.
22:46
Speaker 4: I mean, Abuka can play inside, he can play outside.
22:48
Speaker 4: I mean, I think he really plays inside at the
22:50
Speaker 4: next level. I mean, you want everybody to be able
22:52
Speaker 4: to run, run and run and run and run. I mean,
22:55
Speaker 4: is it as important. You know, he wasn't exactly slow,
22:59
Speaker 4: but is it important? I mean, do you need to
23:01
Speaker 4: be a four to two nine guy if you're playing inside.
23:05
Speaker 3: No, I don't think you do at all. And we
23:07
Speaker 3: see I mean, the the advent, the breakout of Puka
23:11
Speaker 3: Nakua and we kind of have him bouncing around and
23:13
Speaker 3: that was a guy that he was like closer to
23:15
Speaker 3: four to six than being a burner. And you're just
23:18
Speaker 3: looking down down the depth chart of the draft chart
23:21
Speaker 3: and you know the guy, I'm when Ross Brown lasted
23:23
Speaker 3: until day three and he was not a burner and
23:26
Speaker 3: he's playing inside an elite level. I think it's a
23:29
Speaker 3: lot less having to have that elite level speed and
23:34
Speaker 3: more understanding of the game. And I do think that
23:36
Speaker 3: Abecca Ameccha Buka has that in space.
23:40
Speaker 4: Let's stay on the offensive side and let's talk to
23:43
Speaker 4: two running backs, and we've already we've already set the
23:45
Speaker 4: table by saying that there is kind of a positional
23:49
Speaker 4: bias whatever. You know, running backs just generally don't seem to,
23:55
Speaker 4: you know, go in the first round unless you're just
23:57
Speaker 4: you know, like the top one. You know, you may
24:00
Speaker 4: you may you're going to price slide the day two
24:02
Speaker 4: or whatever.
24:03
Speaker 2: I mean.
24:03
Speaker 4: Ohio State has two very talented guys, you know, with
24:06
Speaker 4: Trevian Henderson, with Quinn Shaw Judkins. They're very similar in
24:10
Speaker 4: some regards, they're different in other regards.
24:14
Speaker 2: You know.
24:14
Speaker 4: I know, with you being an Ohio State fan, I'm
24:16
Speaker 4: making you choose between your children right here. But who
24:19
Speaker 4: who do you think at this point has the you know,
24:23
Speaker 4: the inside track of coming off the board first.
24:27
Speaker 3: Prior to the combine. I would have said Henderson because
24:30
Speaker 3: I think that bet On where people viewed his explosion.
24:34
Speaker 3: I think we saw the development in his game, and
24:37
Speaker 3: you talk about that stretch when Simmons went out, they
24:41
Speaker 3: get on Henderson, you flashed back to that. He had
24:43
Speaker 3: so many blitz pickups that were high, high level blitz
24:46
Speaker 3: pickups that are those types of things that don't show
24:49
Speaker 3: up in the stat sheet, but you circle them twice
24:51
Speaker 3: when you're watching that tapes scouting him. And we saw
24:54
Speaker 3: the explosion obviously the Texas game, he had the big
24:57
Speaker 3: play right before halftime that really kind of put Ohio
25:01
Speaker 3: State basically in the league position for most of that game.
25:05
Speaker 3: So we've seen those explosion plays out of that. Then
25:09
Speaker 3: go into the combine and Judkins is a player that
25:12
Speaker 3: everybody saw the Notre Dame run that he got ran
25:15
Speaker 3: down and everybody diged him for that. And then he
25:17
Speaker 3: goes out and he flashes in the athletic testing to
25:20
Speaker 3: a level that surprised a lot of people. And I
25:23
Speaker 3: think it's some of it's it's less of like where
25:27
Speaker 3: a player stands, more like momentum type thing of like,
25:30
Speaker 3: it does feel like Judkins, despite Henderson had very very
25:33
Speaker 3: good testing, but it does seem like the momentum is
25:36
Speaker 3: pushing Judkins' way now relative to Henderson.
25:40
Speaker 4: We're seeing so many two back systems. We saw a
25:43
Speaker 4: two back system at Ohio State. But there's just a
25:45
Speaker 4: lot of that going on. I think the days of
25:48
Speaker 4: just kind of the bell cow back is gone right
25:52
Speaker 4: now just because of the amount of tread on the
25:54
Speaker 4: tires and everything else. I again, if I were a GM,
25:57
Speaker 4: I don't know if I would ever sign a running
25:58
Speaker 4: back to a second contract just because of just the
26:01
Speaker 4: way things work out. And congratulations to Zeke Elliott for
26:05
Speaker 4: getting the second contract, but he was never the same
26:07
Speaker 4: once he had signed that deal. But in a lot
26:11
Speaker 4: of ways. I mean, we can go to the Notre
26:12
Speaker 4: Dame game and Judkins had three touchdowns, two rushing touchdowns
26:16
Speaker 4: and a receiving touchdown. But I think if you talk
26:18
Speaker 4: to a lot of people, they would say that Trevion
26:21
Speaker 4: is probably the more talented pass catcher in terms of
26:25
Speaker 4: running routes. How about we'll say he's a better route runner,
26:28
Speaker 4: you know, catching the ball where they can both catch
26:30
Speaker 4: the ball. Is there that importance of quote unquote being
26:34
Speaker 4: a three down type of player?
26:37
Speaker 2: I mean or is that?
26:38
Speaker 4: Or were we making too much of that because you know,
26:42
Speaker 4: you may I mean you may sit there and you know,
26:45
Speaker 4: go empty on third down.
26:46
Speaker 2: Anyway, unless you know unless it's.
26:48
Speaker 4: Short, and if it's short, I don't really care care
26:51
Speaker 4: about your pass catching ability. We're just going to try
26:53
Speaker 4: and slam it, you know, slam it into the line
26:55
Speaker 4: and pick up the two yards.
26:58
Speaker 3: I actually think that the league has swung a little
27:00
Speaker 3: bit more back in the Belkau direction relative to where
27:03
Speaker 3: it stood a couple of years ago, and especially this
27:05
Speaker 3: past year was a big sign of that. And you know,
27:07
Speaker 3: the Eagles win the Super Bowl, takwon Barkley. But I
27:10
Speaker 3: think the big driver on that. You look at kyn
27:13
Speaker 3: Williams with the rams and the conversation about that is
27:17
Speaker 3: by not having that rotation, you're not tipping the defense
27:21
Speaker 3: on what direction you're going to go. And you can
27:25
Speaker 3: go with the passing game, you can go with the
27:27
Speaker 3: power run game, you can do all those types of things.
27:29
Speaker 3: And I think that that's where it plays well for Henderson.
27:32
Speaker 2: Some of it.
27:33
Speaker 3: Teams have figured out to save the tread on some
27:35
Speaker 3: of these players by implementing more rpo action, having the
27:39
Speaker 3: quarterback a little bit more involved in the run game,
27:42
Speaker 3: having wide receivers that are naturally involved in the run game,
27:45
Speaker 3: having the screen game that is an element of that
27:48
Speaker 3: run game, as well and getting the ball out and
27:50
Speaker 3: is still kind of having some of those similar types
27:53
Speaker 3: of things. And you look at the Bills really didn't
27:56
Speaker 3: really do it with James Cook. I mean, they probably
27:58
Speaker 3: could have, and they probably should against the Chiefs a
28:00
Speaker 3: little bit more. But that was a player that everybody
28:02
Speaker 3: thought would be too small to be a three down
28:05
Speaker 3: type back, and we've seen windows where they do treat
28:08
Speaker 3: him like a three down back. If you flash back
28:09
Speaker 3: to the end of the twenty twenty three season, that
28:12
Speaker 3: game against Dallas when it was really cold and they
28:14
Speaker 3: just really pile it on him, they allowed him to
28:16
Speaker 3: run in those areas, and I think a lot of
28:19
Speaker 3: it it's when you think about where the NFL game
28:21
Speaker 3: is right now, and when I was growing up and
28:24
Speaker 3: you had Gilbert Brown and John Madden loved Gilbert Brown,
28:27
Speaker 3: But to run it in the middle, you were running
28:29
Speaker 3: it into these guys that were three hundred and sixty
28:31
Speaker 3: five pounds and they're landing on you, and they're trying
28:33
Speaker 3: to do that twenty five times a game. Now, when
28:36
Speaker 3: you watch the NFL game, it's more space, a little
28:40
Speaker 3: bit smaller athletes, and that allows it's that power run
28:44
Speaker 3: game quote unquote it's not slamming it behind a fall
28:47
Speaker 3: back into two defensive tackles that are three seventy five each,
28:50
Speaker 3: and you're trying to do it that way. You have
28:53
Speaker 3: to be able to pick up that space and be
28:55
Speaker 3: able to go that way, and it saves on the
28:58
Speaker 3: wear and tear.
28:58
Speaker 4: I do think bring back Moose Johnston. That's all I
29:01
Speaker 4: have to say as a as a Dallas fan.
29:03
Speaker 2: But we're going to.
29:04
Speaker 4: Talk one more offensive player and then we'll switch over
29:06
Speaker 4: to defense. And you know, I kind of had these
29:08
Speaker 4: guys listed in order. The player I'm going to mention
29:12
Speaker 4: obviously could own twenty auto dealerships in Columbus and everything else.
29:18
Speaker 4: But in terms of his NFL status kind of I
29:21
Speaker 4: don't want to say all over the board, but there's
29:23
Speaker 4: a big debate on how the quarterbacks shape up, especially
29:27
Speaker 4: starting at number three, whether or not you're a Jackson
29:29
Speaker 4: Dart believer from Ole miss or however. But we're going
29:32
Speaker 4: to talk about Will Howard and obviously he led Ohiostate
29:36
Speaker 4: to a national championship, super accurate in college, goes out
29:41
Speaker 4: to combine, maybe not his best outing. You know, a
29:45
Speaker 4: lot talked about. You know, you're throwing the receivers that
29:48
Speaker 4: you've never worked with before, but you know is you know,
29:51
Speaker 4: is a nine yard hitch, A nine yard hitch, is
29:54
Speaker 4: a nine yard hitch or whatever your thoughts on Will Howard,
29:58
Speaker 4: because I think that's one that people people really in
30:03
Speaker 4: Columbus and you're in Columbus, so you know, this really
30:05
Speaker 4: gravitated to him as soon as the success started. And
30:09
Speaker 4: you know, when they lost to Oregon in the first game,
30:12
Speaker 4: maybe people backed off a little, but I mean he
30:14
Speaker 4: is still, you know, somebody that people are all about.
30:18
Speaker 3: Well, I think being in Columbus that that instant gravity
30:23
Speaker 3: to him probably had a lot to do with that
30:24
Speaker 3: guy that played that position last year and the opinions
30:29
Speaker 3: around him and in the building and in the city.
30:32
Speaker 3: I'll just say that, so that that's probably a big
30:34
Speaker 3: part of it, because you've got a guy that Will
30:37
Speaker 3: Howard came in and approached and embraced being a Buckeyes
30:40
Speaker 3: quarterback in ways that his predecessor didn't exactly to. But
30:46
Speaker 3: when you it's fascinating. Because I saw Daniel Jeremiah from NFL.
30:50
Speaker 3: We talked about NFL that Colm. Daniel Jeremiah is one
30:53
Speaker 3: of my favorite people to follow with the draft and
30:55
Speaker 3: he just on a physical comparison compared Will Howard Nick Foles.
31:01
Speaker 3: But then it's like when you think about the window
31:04
Speaker 3: of the way that Will Howard played during that playoff run,
31:07
Speaker 3: it's feels very foals of like that Super Bowl run
31:11
Speaker 3: the Eagles had of like just kind of channeling a
31:14
Speaker 3: higher level than what we've seen throughout and so that's
31:18
Speaker 3: that's a big part of it. I do think that
31:20
Speaker 3: Will is the type of player that one being a
31:23
Speaker 3: Bills fans, it's always like it especially used to be
31:27
Speaker 3: and he's gotten better about it, but it would always
31:29
Speaker 3: seem to be Josh Allen would kind of have to
31:30
Speaker 3: get punched to the face once to really like settle
31:33
Speaker 3: into the game. I think that Will Howard has some
31:35
Speaker 3: levels of that in his game. I think some of
31:38
Speaker 3: the accuracy things, he's a little bit more of a
31:41
Speaker 3: game accuracy player than like a practice accuracy type of
31:46
Speaker 3: a player that can feel it a little bit more
31:49
Speaker 3: in the flow of a game. And especially I mean
31:52
Speaker 3: Jeremiah Smith's going to make anybody look good, But the
31:54
Speaker 3: way that he was laying it out to Jeremiah Smith,
31:56
Speaker 3: especially in that playoff run, I mean that's high, high
31:59
Speaker 3: level stuff. I did hear some talk about at the
32:04
Speaker 3: Combine that there were multiple times that they had to
32:06
Speaker 3: stop some of the quarterback jills because the wide receivers
32:08
Speaker 3: were not getting to be getting to the spots that
32:10
Speaker 3: needed to be and they had to have some course
32:13
Speaker 3: correction on what the wide receivers were doing. And so
32:15
Speaker 3: I don't know if that plays in as well, but
32:18
Speaker 3: I did watch We'll Throw at the Combine and it
32:20
Speaker 3: was not ideal, and it was certainly disappointing because again,
32:25
Speaker 3: you know, you, as you mentioned, he is now reached
32:29
Speaker 3: Cardill Jones status in the city of Columbus and he
32:32
Speaker 3: can never will have to buy another meal here. But
32:35
Speaker 3: we certainly want to pull for him in the next
32:37
Speaker 3: level as well.
32:39
Speaker 4: I think that at Pro Day at Ohio State Pro Day,
32:41
Speaker 4: throwing to Jeremiah, throwing to a Mecca, throwing to Carnell Tait,
32:46
Speaker 4: guys like that, certainly there will be more familiarity there.
32:50
Speaker 4: And I mean this is not a oh, well, you
32:53
Speaker 4: cover Ohio State, so you're obviously biased. I think it's
32:56
Speaker 4: just natural saying that. I think he'll have a much
32:59
Speaker 4: better path type of situation there. I mean, you know,
33:03
Speaker 4: I don't know if anybody's ever going to really be
33:05
Speaker 4: able to approach CJ. Stroud's Pro day just in Fields
33:09
Speaker 4: pro Day. I mean those were both, you know, amazing,
33:12
Speaker 4: But I think that we're going to people will be
33:14
Speaker 4: singing a different tune. But the people that want to
33:16
Speaker 4: trash Will Howard will be like, well, home cooking, even
33:19
Speaker 4: though I mean it's still I don't know if that
33:22
Speaker 4: necessarily makes a ton of sense.
33:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you see, I mean this is a National
33:27
Speaker 3: championship winning quarterback. He has played a lot of snaps
33:30
Speaker 3: and physically, I mean he's textbook. He's exactly what an
33:33
Speaker 3: NFL team would look at in terms of physically at
33:36
Speaker 3: the quarterback position. He does have that athleticism too to
33:39
Speaker 3: be able to extend plays and talk about RPO action.
33:42
Speaker 3: He can do those types of things. So there are
33:45
Speaker 3: there's a lot to like in the package I think
33:47
Speaker 3: Will Howard. It is interesting because I don't feel like
33:51
Speaker 3: I've seen as much national buzz on Will Howard as
33:56
Speaker 3: maybe I expected to see starting into the process. But again,
34:00
Speaker 3: it was the conversation around him all year was a
34:03
Speaker 3: little bit weird relative especially relative to Dylan Gabriel in
34:06
Speaker 3: college football, because it seemed like Dylan Gabriel could do
34:08
Speaker 3: absolutely no wrong all year long, and Will Howard just
34:12
Speaker 3: because the Buckeyes didn't have one more second to be
34:14
Speaker 3: able to try to kick a field goal. It just
34:17
Speaker 3: he was a back seat like the entire season.
34:21
Speaker 4: I don't disagree. I don't disagree, and that that Oregon
34:24
Speaker 4: game in in Eugene will go down as one of
34:27
Speaker 4: you know, one one that you know coulda, would have,
34:30
Speaker 4: should have. But you know, I think that when people
34:32
Speaker 4: think back to twenty four obviously they'll think of the
34:35
Speaker 4: four game run, and then of course they'll think about
34:38
Speaker 4: the end of November. But we don't need to we
34:40
Speaker 4: don't need to go there. Let's talk about Ohio State's
34:45
Speaker 4: defensive ends. We talked about him a little bit. Jack
34:47
Speaker 4: Sawyer j T two Moloau separated by two one hundredths
34:52
Speaker 4: according to those NFL dot Com ratings. Jack with a
34:55
Speaker 4: six point three six, JT with a six point three four,
34:58
Speaker 4: so that you know they like Jack a little bit better.
35:02
Speaker 4: But you know, you kind of mentioned, you know, some
35:04
Speaker 4: of the measurements that came in. What are your thoughts there,
35:08
Speaker 4: because I mean, you really where one was the other
35:11
Speaker 4: one was at Ohio State but now they're going to
35:13
Speaker 4: be shipped off to you know, very different locations or whatever.
35:18
Speaker 4: How do you see the two of them?
35:21
Speaker 3: I think JT. Tu il Malau will be the first
35:24
Speaker 3: one off the board between the two of them, because
35:28
Speaker 3: just a little bit of a twitchear player, and you
35:30
Speaker 3: think about NFL teams really want that twitch out of
35:33
Speaker 3: a defensive end. Despite the way that Sawyer really took
35:37
Speaker 3: over to close out his career and what we saw,
35:41
Speaker 3: I mean, that's another guy that he became a legend,
35:44
Speaker 3: especially that after that Texas play, he became an all
35:47
Speaker 3: time Ohio state legend. But we know that local kid
35:50
Speaker 3: here and so certainly the support that he is going
35:53
Speaker 3: to garner, I think he kind of profiles more as
35:56
Speaker 3: a run stopping type of a defensive end versus J. T.
36:00
Speaker 3: Malaw being more of the potential pass rusher, the edge
36:04
Speaker 3: collapse or the quick, quitchy guy, and and NFL teams
36:07
Speaker 3: do tend to go for those guys when it comes
36:10
Speaker 3: to that position.
36:12
Speaker 4: I mean, you do mention on on Sawyer him being
36:14
Speaker 4: kind of a local, statewide legend. I mean tuamoloaw when
36:20
Speaker 4: you know there was so much build up with his
36:22
Speaker 4: commitment he committed on July fourth, after signing Day and
36:26
Speaker 4: everything else. I mean, Larry Johnson just putting more, you know,
36:30
Speaker 4: more guys into the league. Everybody had been waiting for
36:34
Speaker 4: the next you know, the next Bosa or the next
36:37
Speaker 4: Young and you know, I don't know if either either
36:40
Speaker 4: of these guys are coming out with that. I mean,
36:42
Speaker 4: I think if you pull the numbers up of the
36:44
Speaker 4: four game run, tuumoloaw actually had better numbers if you
36:48
Speaker 4: just look at agnostic numbers. I mean, obviously Sawyer's plays.
36:51
Speaker 4: I think maybe we're at more key moments. But just
36:56
Speaker 4: once again, I'm not not going to sit there. There
36:59
Speaker 4: are schools have you know, maybe better claims to being
37:02
Speaker 4: d l U or d EU or whatever. But I mean,
37:05
Speaker 4: Ohio State certainly not hurting its case with you know,
37:08
Speaker 4: two more guys here that seemed to be poised to
37:13
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, i'm, I'm my assumption is they're
37:16
Speaker 4: both you know, day two guys.
37:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that there they are as well.
37:21
Speaker 3: I don't know that. I think early there was maybe
37:24
Speaker 3: some momentum to get Sawyer up into that first round,
37:26
Speaker 3: but I think he's settled pretty much as a Day
37:29
Speaker 3: two guy. It would be I mean, it'd be shocking
37:31
Speaker 3: to see that if they do not go day two,
37:33
Speaker 3: and it would at this point it seems like it'd
37:35
Speaker 3: be a little bit surprising to see them go day one.
37:38
Speaker 2: Let's slide inside.
37:41
Speaker 4: We're gonna we're gonna bypass ty Hamilton, his brother, you know,
37:44
Speaker 4: playing in the league. I mean, so, you know, obviously
37:46
Speaker 4: a family that that has you know, has experience, and
37:49
Speaker 4: you know, I think highly of time, but I want
37:51
Speaker 4: to talk about Tyler Williams. And you know, he's big
37:55
Speaker 4: one tech who has you know, a lot of you
37:59
Speaker 4: know a lot of big plays. But he also has
38:01
Speaker 4: dealt with a lot of injuries through his career and
38:03
Speaker 4: it's not necessarily been long lasting. He's missed six weeks,
38:07
Speaker 4: seven weeks or anything like that. But you get him
38:10
Speaker 4: a game and you miss he misses a game, you
38:12
Speaker 4: get him two games, he misses.
38:14
Speaker 2: Half a game.
38:15
Speaker 4: You know what, what what is your impression there on
38:18
Speaker 4: on somebody, because again, we we all fall in love
38:21
Speaker 4: with that rush end type of position. You know, we
38:24
Speaker 4: want we all want to see that guy who's going
38:26
Speaker 4: to go out there and put up double digit sacks
38:28
Speaker 4: on the year and do all this stuff. But somebody's
38:31
Speaker 4: got to be in the trenches and doing the dirty
38:33
Speaker 4: work and and and at least in principle, that's Tyler Williams.
38:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that. I mean, talk about the value
38:42
Speaker 3: of a defensive tackle relative to an edge rusher. I
38:44
Speaker 3: think that that's the biggest differentiator right now between these
38:47
Speaker 3: three players, Between the two ends and Tyler Williams. I
38:50
Speaker 3: think that if you stack them up prospect by prospect,
38:52
Speaker 3: Tyler Williams has has got an argument to be the
38:56
Speaker 3: best prospect out of the bench of the three of them.
38:58
Speaker 3: And it does seem like they're there's a lot of
39:00
Speaker 3: excitement as well on him. It's I think you see
39:03
Speaker 3: all these guys, they all seem like Day not only
39:06
Speaker 3: Day two, round two picks, early round three, probably at
39:10
Speaker 3: the very latest, but they it's talking about all these guys,
39:15
Speaker 3: it's just, uh, you know, Ryan Day had talked about
39:18
Speaker 3: after they completed the game, the ability to tell a
39:20
Speaker 3: story now and it's as you run through and do
39:23
Speaker 3: a show like this and look at this list, you
39:25
Speaker 3: realize how special it was to be able to have
39:27
Speaker 3: all these guys like on this team this past year
39:30
Speaker 3: and grateful that they were able to finish that off.
39:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'd love to be able to talk about everybody,
39:35
Speaker 4: but I also don't want to talk about guys that
39:37
Speaker 4: are sitting there kind of in the sixth round, seventh
39:39
Speaker 4: round range.
39:40
Speaker 2: I mean, so let you know.
39:41
Speaker 4: Let's let's let's stay, let's you know, let's jump to
39:43
Speaker 4: the secondary and talk Lathan Ransom. You know, he I
39:48
Speaker 4: think he was a huge difference maker in twenty four
39:51
Speaker 4: for Ohio State.
39:52
Speaker 2: He had dealt with.
39:53
Speaker 4: Some injuries late in the season. Earlier in his career.
39:57
Speaker 4: We can go back to the play that really set
40:00
Speaker 4: up Jack Sawyer's scoop and score. It was Caleb Downs,
40:04
Speaker 4: who was not draft eligible yet, thank god for Ohio
40:06
Speaker 4: State fans, who came in and blew the play up.
40:09
Speaker 4: And then it was Ransom that came in along with
40:13
Speaker 4: David Davison Nick Minosen who made the hit and dropped
40:16
Speaker 4: him for whatever. It was a seven yard loss. You know,
40:20
Speaker 4: Lathan Ransom is somebody you know, NFL dot Com has
40:23
Speaker 4: had them in like like six two or something. I'd
40:26
Speaker 4: already kind of taken them off my page as I'm
40:28
Speaker 4: keeping track of.
40:29
Speaker 2: My list, But.
40:31
Speaker 4: Where does you know, where does he kind of fit
40:33
Speaker 4: into the mix as we're kind of sliding a little
40:36
Speaker 4: bit further down the rounds right now.
40:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, And when you really look at the safety position,
40:42
Speaker 3: especially to get early, I don't know that he's got
40:46
Speaker 3: the athletic profile to get up there. And the only thing.
40:50
Speaker 3: The other thing, too is one of the things probably
40:53
Speaker 3: the way that the defense was structured, we didn't see
40:56
Speaker 3: these guys make a lot of plays on the ball.
40:58
Speaker 3: I think that it's so you're you're not. You didn't
41:01
Speaker 3: see a lot of the ball skills kind of pop
41:03
Speaker 3: on going and taking the ball away in the air
41:07
Speaker 3: and then not being the high level athleticism that But
41:10
Speaker 3: that being said, you talk about these guys that I
41:12
Speaker 3: think you're exactly right on it with Latham Ransom of
41:16
Speaker 3: when you need a big play, he was there to
41:18
Speaker 3: make a big play and he continued to do that. It's,
41:21
Speaker 3: you know, the elements of like Jordan Fuller. We saw
41:24
Speaker 3: Jordan Fuller in that defense and he lasted what until
41:28
Speaker 3: like sixth or seventh round. He fell pretty far down.
41:30
Speaker 3: And I do think that safety is a position that
41:35
Speaker 3: teams are going to bet on the traits and go
41:39
Speaker 3: for these guys that the kid from South Carolina and
41:42
Speaker 3: Nick I'm gonna worry just like boil everything out of
41:46
Speaker 3: the water. And so you've got that, and I think
41:48
Speaker 3: that that's you're fighting against that when it comes to
41:52
Speaker 3: being a safety. And I don't know that Ransom profiles
41:56
Speaker 3: favorably against those things, but he is exactly the type
41:59
Speaker 3: of high, high IQ level football player and has made
42:04
Speaker 3: big plays that I think that you can see him
42:06
Speaker 3: being a part of an NFL defense.
42:08
Speaker 2: Yeah.
42:08
Speaker 4: I didn't see Pete Warner necessarily catching on with New
42:12
Speaker 4: Orleans the way he did, and you have the success
42:14
Speaker 4: that he did there, So sometimes, I mean, you just
42:17
Speaker 4: don't know, even though I mean he was a position
42:20
Speaker 4: down And that's going to be the last guy we're
42:21
Speaker 4: going to talk about.
42:22
Speaker 2: It's going to be Cody Simon.
42:23
Speaker 4: And you know, I look at Cody Simon and I
42:25
Speaker 4: see a tremendous collegiate player. I look at Cody Simon,
42:29
Speaker 4: I try to figure out how he translates to the league.
42:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's another one of it just got to
42:36
Speaker 3: be speed when it comes to these off ball linebackers,
42:39
Speaker 3: because ideally teams want to run basically, they want to
42:43
Speaker 3: run nickel or some element of nickel, and that profile
42:46
Speaker 3: as well for Ransom, but it doesn't necessarily profile well
42:49
Speaker 3: for Simon, and so that's you just have to be
42:52
Speaker 3: these guys that can play out in space. And you
42:55
Speaker 3: look at the Bills defense having Trell Bernard and Matt
42:57
Speaker 3: Mlano as the two linebackers, and both of those guys
42:59
Speaker 3: are excellent the ability to cover a lot of space.
43:03
Speaker 3: And so Simon is a heady player versus being kind
43:09
Speaker 3: of that twitchy player. And more often than not, early,
43:12
Speaker 3: especially early in the draft, and especially the devaluation that's
43:16
Speaker 3: another position. Linebacker has been really devalued when it comes
43:20
Speaker 3: to those players, and so he's gonna be fighting an
43:22
Speaker 3: uphill battle, I think to be. I can't see him
43:25
Speaker 3: going Day two. And so you're talking about him being
43:28
Speaker 3: a fourth or fifth, not even fourth, I don't think,
43:31
Speaker 3: but fifth, sixth, seventh, special teams type player that can
43:35
Speaker 3: work his way into there. But again he can certainly
43:38
Speaker 3: surprise us. And I mean, he stepped up this year
43:41
Speaker 3: and is one opportunity to start there, and it is
43:43
Speaker 3: the type of thing that makes you underweest steel Chambers
43:46
Speaker 3: was playing the year before. But that's neither here nor there.
43:49
Speaker 4: One last question, I want to thank you again for
43:52
Speaker 4: taking the time to talk to us and all of
43:54
Speaker 4: our listeners and viewers. But we didn't prepare for this question.
43:58
Speaker 4: But it's pretty it's thirty thousand feet up in the air.
44:01
Speaker 4: So I'm not going to pin you down on anything
44:05
Speaker 4: after the draft. What are we going to be talking about?
44:08
Speaker 4: Most so kind of like, once the draft is all done,
44:11
Speaker 4: what is what is going to be? You know, what
44:14
Speaker 4: do you think we're going to be talking about, you know,
44:15
Speaker 4: ripping ripping headlines from the future out. What do you
44:17
Speaker 4: think we're going to be talking about once that last
44:20
Speaker 4: pick is made in Green Bay?
44:23
Speaker 3: Like?
44:23
Speaker 2: What?
44:23
Speaker 3: Like? In what direction?
44:24
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
44:25
Speaker 4: Just you know, I mean it doesn't have to be
44:27
Speaker 4: an Ohio state thing. I mean, you know, oh, this
44:29
Speaker 4: was the year of the run on you know quarterbacks
44:33
Speaker 4: or you know what is what is?
44:34
Speaker 2: You know what? What?
44:35
Speaker 3: You know?
44:36
Speaker 4: Use your crystal ball and look ahead to something that
44:39
Speaker 4: you know may surprise us or whatever from this draft.
44:42
Speaker 4: And again, I know that we're recording this on on
44:44
Speaker 4: March fifth. We've got a lot of time. We're not
44:47
Speaker 4: going to submit this to freezing cold takes, I promise.
44:51
Speaker 3: Now, I think you're going to see a lot of
44:53
Speaker 3: defensive linemen and a lot of running backs, and I
44:56
Speaker 3: mean that that profiles well with this episode. Do you
44:58
Speaker 3: talk about we can talk about three high level defensive linemen,
45:02
Speaker 3: maybe four that get drafted, and two high high level
45:05
Speaker 3: running backs. But I think that running back, especially if
45:07
Speaker 3: you're a fantasy football mind, I mean you can you
45:11
Speaker 3: can walk through here and you can get to twenty five,
45:14
Speaker 3: twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight running backs where you're like,
45:17
Speaker 3: I think he could be drafted, and that having those
45:20
Speaker 3: many of those players might cause players to not be
45:24
Speaker 3: drafted because teams might go for more scarcer positions and say,
45:29
Speaker 3: we're gonna be able to sign one of these guys
45:30
Speaker 3: after the draft. But from a fantasy angle, I think
45:33
Speaker 3: you're going to almost every single backfield. It seems like
45:35
Speaker 3: can add a rookie running into their running back rotation.
45:39
Speaker 3: And then just in general, the way this class has
45:41
Speaker 3: shaped up, it's these defensive linemen at I do think
45:45
Speaker 3: that in other years a guy like Jack Sawyer would
45:49
Speaker 3: be at the high high end of the edge class,
45:53
Speaker 3: but there are just so many this year that it
45:56
Speaker 3: serves to push him down the board a little bit.
45:58
Speaker 4: All right, online, I have one more question. Are going
46:00
Speaker 4: to hate me for this one. This one's even more theoretical.
46:03
Speaker 4: Right there, I'm talking about fantasy football. I'm not going
46:06
Speaker 4: to get into PPR, IDP, whatever, all of that stuff.
46:09
Speaker 4: I mean, check out football, guys. We'll talk about him
46:11
Speaker 4: here in a second on the back end of this question.
46:14
Speaker 4: And a lot of it doesn't necessarily we don't know
46:16
Speaker 4: where these teams are, so you can't sit there and say, well,
46:19
Speaker 4: I know that he's going to be a fit just
46:21
Speaker 4: looking at all these guys from the top down. If
46:23
Speaker 4: you had to take one of the Ohio State draft
46:25
Speaker 4: eligible guys blindly and say, I'm just going to take
46:29
Speaker 4: him in my keeper league.
46:31
Speaker 2: Who you're taking.
46:33
Speaker 3: Right now? Judkins, I think, And it's just I love
46:37
Speaker 3: the way that he runs, like the way and you see,
46:40
Speaker 3: I know Caleb Johnson Vermio got so much attention, but
46:43
Speaker 3: when you watch him, Caleb Johnson like running the guys
46:45
Speaker 3: standing up, Judkins drops that shoulder on everybody. And we
46:50
Speaker 3: saw how many times did we see We've seen so
46:53
Speaker 3: many Ohio State back, great Ohio State backs that these
46:57
Speaker 3: from the five yard line, that they would have been
46:59
Speaker 3: tackled at the three or two. And Judkins does not
47:02
Speaker 3: stop moving and would get it into the end zone
47:04
Speaker 3: more often than not. And so I think that it's
47:07
Speaker 3: just his game plays very very well, I think to
47:10
Speaker 3: where the NFL stands.
47:13
Speaker 2: Well, there you go with all that.
47:14
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47:25
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47:28
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49:10
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49:14
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49:16
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49:55
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