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NICK CANNON'S 12 KIDS, TODD’S DRAMA & MORE! | Reality News with Claudia, Dustin and Blue · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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  Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey,
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  Speaker 1: and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and
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  Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
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  Speaker 1: Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in
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  Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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  Speaker 1: scripted as well. We got to get to Nick Cannon.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 3: That was fun.
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  Speaker 1: That was a good segue.
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  Speaker 4: A good segue.
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  Speaker 2: God wrote that joke. His last name is Cannon.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Yes.
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  Speaker 3: No, I've heard the stories. No, I've heard he's blessed.
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  Speaker 1: I heard he's, I mean, listen, 12 kids later, 10
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  Speaker 1: baby mamas, you know, I definitely think he is.
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  Speaker 3: I told him the pull-out game is trash. His pull-out
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  Speaker 3: game has to be trash.
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  Speaker 1: He's not pulling out.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he wants to pull out.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but like all of a sudden, he went all
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  Speaker 5: those years without it, and then he just, he laying
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  Speaker 5: it down.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I believe he said, and you tell me if
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  Speaker 4: I got this wrong, Blue.
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  Speaker 1: The reason why he has so many kids now, he
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  Speaker 1: does have lupus.
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  Speaker 6: He does.
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  Speaker 1: And he felt that life was too short, so he
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  Speaker 1: wanted to spread his seed in order to.
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  Speaker 4: Leave a legacy.
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  Speaker 3: He's a whole tap.
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  Speaker 2: He definitely did just that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There was some seed spreading going on.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 7: My thing is just like, can you imagine making that
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  Speaker 7: much oatmeal? You know what I'm saying? How many damn
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  Speaker 7: eggs you got?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, I thought you meant something else when you said oatmeal.
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  Speaker 6: I am so sorry.
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  Speaker 4: I went to another place.
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  Speaker 3: But that's like all the different houses, so it's not
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  Speaker 3: all on his roof.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: But them two Saturdays a month. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 7: That much toast. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 6: How about Christmas, Dustin? Spoons.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? He goes to everybody's house. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 6: By the way, he doesn't have 10 baby mamas. He
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  Speaker 6: has nine baby's mothers.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: And a Mariah Carey, an ex-wife.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, my bad.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, because, listen, the woman who celebrates anniversaries and not birthdays,
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  Speaker 1: she is nobody's baby mama. The Aries of all Aries.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: Put some respect on Mariah's name.
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  Speaker 4: So, no, we definitely have to.
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  Speaker 1: So, listen, Nick Cannon is in the news because his
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  Speaker 1: baby mama and star of Selling Sunset, Brie, okay, She
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  Speaker 1: recently did an interview where she said that it's not
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  Speaker 1: her job to keep the 12 kids connected, that Nick
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  Speaker 1: has to step up. Listen, I'm a product of having
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  Speaker 1: nine siblings. It's 10 of us total.
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  Speaker 4: Same house? Same house, same parents.
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  Speaker 2: There's only.
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  Speaker 1: We got the same parents, right? Married for 50 plus years.
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  Speaker 1: It's a whole thing. So I don't know this idea about...
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  Speaker 1: putting the blame just on one person. But Dustin, starting
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  Speaker 1: with you, does Brie have a point or is she
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  Speaker 1: batshit crazy to believe that you have a child that
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  Speaker 1: has 11 siblings? And is it also her job as
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  Speaker 1: this boy's mother to make sure that he has a
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  Speaker 1: connection with his siblings too?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's quite literally her job. What's the alternative? Right?
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  Speaker 7: Well, just willfully be estranged from your siblings because that
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  Speaker 7: ain't my job.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see how that goes once he gets old enough
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  Speaker 2: to reason. You know what I'm saying? That's very immature.
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  Speaker 7: It sounds like it's coming from a place of, like,
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  Speaker 7: it's an emotional reaction, and that's not the route.
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  Speaker 2: Look, wrong road.
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  Speaker 1: Wrong road as a parent.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 7: You have to get your emotions out of that and
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  Speaker 7: make sound decisions, and that sounds stupid.
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  Speaker 2: So, no. Claudia.
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  Speaker 4: Claudia.
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  Speaker 5: I kind of disagree a little bit. I do feel
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  Speaker 5: like it's a, I think it's his responsibility, but a
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  Speaker 5: courtesy for her. Because he's the one that decided to
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  Speaker 5: have 12 kids. And so I feel like it's more
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  Speaker 5: on him. Like, I'd be like, okay, I'll do my best.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to push against it.
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  Speaker 5: But that was his legacy that he wanted to do
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  Speaker 5: and make all these kids. And I feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: she should go along with it because he probably takes
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  Speaker 5: care of them really well. But that was what he wanted.
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  Speaker 5: He wanted 12 kids in all these different homes. Your
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  Speaker 5: parents had it all in one home. Well, your parents
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  Speaker 5: had them all under one roof.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, mine too.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot different. Oh, yours are too, right?
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  Speaker 6: They're both from the Michigan area. You know how they are, wholesome.
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  Speaker 5: My father had my brother and I, and then I
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  Speaker 5: found out that I wasn't the oldest later on.
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  Speaker 3: And my mom was still solid. She went out and
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  Speaker 3: sought one of my siblings in Italy and found him
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  Speaker 3: for us.
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  Speaker 5: And my father never did. And I always thought that
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  Speaker 5: should have been his job to do that because he
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  Speaker 5: was the one planting seeds all over the place. But
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  Speaker 5: my mom, because she's such a, she's a good woman.
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  Speaker 5: So she was like, you should know.
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  Speaker 3: Who your brother is.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't think it's her, she had to do that.
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  Speaker 5: I think my father had to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Blue?
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  Speaker 6: My daddy was a hoe. And because of that, I
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  Speaker 6: know what it's like when Papa was a Rolling Stone.
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  Speaker 6: I told you, I recently found out about a sibling
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  Speaker 6: like six to eight months ago at my big age.
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  Speaker 6: And unlike Nick Cannon, my father was discreet. I think
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  Speaker 6: I believe that Claudia and Dustin.
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  Speaker 4: Are both right.
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  Speaker 6: On one hand, if you are the one who's out
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  Speaker 6: here running these streets, you have to make sure everybody
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  Speaker 6: knows each other. But on the other hand, I watched
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  Speaker 6: the show. I've seen Brie. She's a very prideful, smug girl.
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  Speaker 6: And I think the fact that she's sharing space with
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  Speaker 6: so many fellow baddies and Mariah Carey, I think she
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  Speaker 6: doesn't want to feel like she has to ask for
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  Speaker 6: their approval. And so there's some pridefulness in there very
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  Speaker 6: specifically with her. So I agree with Claudia in general,
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  Speaker 6: but with her, she a little stank.
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  Speaker 1: She's a little stank. I watched Selling Sunset, and although
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  Speaker 1: I enjoy her as a character, I think she's a
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  Speaker 1: bad bitch. And listen, this makeover she has, And I'm
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  Speaker 1: only saying that because she's admitted to it.
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  Speaker 4: New face. She has a new face who this. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 4: She has a whole new nose, teeth, lip, face, hair,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, body.
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  Speaker 2: A remodel.
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  Speaker 4: She has a remodel, you know?
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  Speaker 1: A fixer-upper, if you will.
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  Speaker 2: A reboot.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, no.
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  Speaker 4: Brie is the human form of HGTV.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Okay? It's definitely a remodel. Is there a button for that, Carlos?
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  Speaker 2: Do we have something? I mean, you know.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, outside of Mariah, I mean, when he started,
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  Speaker 5: you know, when your baby mama, number six, seven, eight, nine,
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  Speaker 5: there is a little bit of accountability you're going to
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  Speaker 5: have to have because you know what you're walking into.
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  Speaker 4: You opted in. Well, and I think that's the reason
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  Speaker 4: why I agree with all of you guys because like
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  Speaker 4: Blue said, there's space and room for that in a
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  Speaker 4: general form.
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  Speaker 1: I think when it comes to Brie particularly, she.
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  Speaker 4: Does have this sort of smugness about her.
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  Speaker 1: It's nasty.
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  Speaker 4: I will go on record forever saying I am team
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  Speaker 4: Chelsea Laskani.
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  Speaker 3: Same.
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  Speaker 1: The only black girl on Selling Sunset. And the way Brie,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, Brie is somebody... who wants the rhythm
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  Speaker 1: and not the blues. And I think because Brie dyed
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  Speaker 1: her hair dark, went to the Kim Kardashian University of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, trying to, like, become her.
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  Speaker 3: Ethnicity?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I think... Listen, I think.
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  Speaker 6: She's a blackfisher, Claudia. She wants to be biracial.
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  Speaker 1: She wants to be.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so... Oh, no. I.
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  Speaker 1: I literally wish, and Jamie, see if you can find
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  Speaker 1: this so we can give it to Chris to put
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  Speaker 1: it up.
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  Speaker 4: Get the before and after of Brie. It's jarring.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Hillary Duff to Claudia Jordan. It's a huge jump.
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  Speaker 2: So what did they name their baby? Finally?
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  Speaker 1: Legendary Love.
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  Speaker 2: She had a black baby. Finally. This is finally canon.
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  Speaker 6: She's one of those white girls who wants to be
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  Speaker 6: biracial but thinks she's better than black girls. The whole
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  Speaker 6: thing is confusion.
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  Speaker 2: Got it.
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  Speaker 6: And you're up against Mariah Carey.
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  Speaker 4: Sit down.
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  Speaker 3: That's irritating.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're up against Mariah Carey.
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  Speaker 3: I've never seen the show.
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  Speaker 4: Once you have it, Chris, show it to the audience.
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  Speaker 1: And again, I think this. Um, this is no shade
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  Speaker 1: to her because I watch the show.
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  Speaker 4: No, Carlos.
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  Speaker 1: No, Carlos.
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  Speaker 6: We can't get that off the person, Carlos.
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  Speaker 1: We can see you.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, after we done writing it down.
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  Speaker 4: No shade, no teeth.
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  Speaker 1: She sucks at life.
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  Speaker 6: Everything she does is trash.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I know you fucking love her. No shade. Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Come on.
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  Speaker 6: I'm saying it's Hilary Duff to a biracial girl. She
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  Speaker 6: wants to be mixy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they be thinking they mix.
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  Speaker 6: And doesn't she look doofy in the first one?
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  Speaker 1: Like, come on.
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  Speaker 4: She does.
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  Speaker 3: She looks like she snorts and she laughs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I thought you.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, wow. Yeah, she looks completely different.
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  Speaker 6: But the second version of her does not like black women.
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  Speaker 6: She's very... She has this whole, like, she's going to
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  Speaker 6: call you girl. Like, hey, girl, you need to... Like,
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  Speaker 6: neck swiveling. Every stereotype you think a black woman is.
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  Speaker 6: And her adversary was a very, you know, lovely, contained
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  Speaker 6: black woman.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen her. The Chelsea girl from Silly. I don't
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  Speaker 2: watch that show, but I've seen her.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. She's stunning.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't you interview her?
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  Speaker 4: I interviewed her.
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  Speaker 2: You did? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And she... She.
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  Speaker 1: Is from Nigeria.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sorry. She's Nigerian. Lived in London. Very British.
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  Speaker 1: Survived an abusive relationship. Her husband that she brought on
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  Speaker 1: the show cheated on her. She was the only black
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  Speaker 1: cast member on the show. She got removed from the
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  Speaker 1: show and Brie got to stay. And I think when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to Brie, Brie just reminds me of those
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  Speaker 1: white girls who... who dip in black spaces. And again,
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  Speaker 1: she wants the rhythm but not the blues. And that's
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  Speaker 1: why I understand that when it comes to her, and
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  Speaker 1: I didn't clock her. You probably did instantly. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: clock her until she started to challenge Chelsea in a
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  Speaker 1: way that I felt like.
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  Speaker 4: You want to be Chelsea. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know where that comes from? I think in my
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  Speaker 3: experience in Rhode Island, we have a lot of girls
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  Speaker 3: like that.
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  Speaker 5: And also I saw that a lot in California because
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  Speaker 5: once they started wanting black dick, They started to adjust
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  Speaker 5: a little bit and simulate and try to take on
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  Speaker 5: the characteristics and some of the looks of black women, right?
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  Speaker 5: Or biracial women, right? And they're laying up with weak-ass
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  Speaker 5: men a lot of times.
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  Speaker 3: Not saying naked. but some of the black.
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  Speaker 5: Men are allowing them to be disrespectful to black women
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  Speaker 5: and also telling them they're better than.
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  Speaker 6: That's the part.
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  Speaker 3: You don't give me as much trouble as them. and
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  Speaker 3: that's why they get this arrogance about them.
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  Speaker 1: I blame the men.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you for saying that because I have a white
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  Speaker 6: guy that I know and he said that black men
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  Speaker 6: are constantly giving him permission to disrespect black women and
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  Speaker 6: it makes him uncomfortable. There's a lot of black men
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  Speaker 6: in this world. Let's be honest. Heteronormative straight black men,
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  Speaker 6: the higher they get on the food chain financially, they think, oh,
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  Speaker 6: I'm white adjacent. So if I'm talking to a white
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  Speaker 6: woman or any other man, I'm going to almost cannibalize
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  Speaker 6: black women and say, see, here's an offering about how
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  Speaker 6: much I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Care about niggas because I'm one of y'all.
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  Speaker 6: And so those girls, like Brie, to your point, they
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  Speaker 6: think they're better than actual black women while trying to
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  Speaker 6: make other black women with them. What happens if you
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  Speaker 6: are Danny Lay and you're talking shit about black girls
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  Speaker 6: and then you end up birthing one? Who looks like
• 10:50
  Speaker 6: the lady you're talking about? That's the thing that's awkward. Luckily,
• 10:53
  Speaker 6: she has one of them J-Lens, so she's going to
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  Speaker 6: have an asymmetrical bob and he can play football and
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  Speaker 6: do the whole NFL thing. But the world has enough
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  Speaker 6: white women who are presenting biracial who love black men
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  Speaker 6: but hate the black women who birth them. And she
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  Speaker 6: makes me sick. And I do think that feeds a
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  Speaker 6: little bit. Because one thing I will say about Nick,
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  Speaker 6: I see him a lot when I'm in Jason Lee
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  Speaker 6: spaces because his sister is a casting director, I think,
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  Speaker 6: for Wilding Out. And she's always at the Hollywood Walk Awards.
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  Speaker 6: You've probably seen her there. She's very lovely. And his
• 11:20
  Speaker 6: baby mamas are all very low-key and chill. Brie is
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  Speaker 6: a hood rat outlier. She is not like the rest
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  Speaker 6: of them. And so because she's a bit of a
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  Speaker 6: white hood rat, we used to call them wiggers back
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  Speaker 6: in the 90s and early 2000s. As a female wigger
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  Speaker 6: who was at the bottom of the food chain and
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  Speaker 6: has an actual biracial woman at the top of the
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  Speaker 6: food chain. Shout out to Mariah once again.
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  Speaker 2: And Aries.
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  Speaker 6: I can see why you salty and don't want to
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  Speaker 6: take the kids out to play. So to me, it's
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  Speaker 6: bigger than it's not my responsibility. She's mashed at the
• 11:46
  Speaker 6: bottom of the totem pole. She's not even the cutest one.
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  Speaker 6: Even with the new face, she's not the cutest one.
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  Speaker 6: She's somewhere in the lower middle tier.
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  Speaker 3: The most beautiful one to me is my girl, Lanisha Cole.
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  Speaker 3: The chocolate girl.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, she's gorgeous.
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  Speaker 5: She was a Price is Right model and also Deal
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  Speaker 5: and O'Deal. And she was in that Pharrell video with Mimi.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, her? Yeah, she's gorgeous. That's when the baby mama is?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. The baby's name is Ani.
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  Speaker 1: Brie is low on the roster, baby.
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  Speaker 4: But she's not hanging.
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  Speaker 5: Around to be with Nick. She has a guy that
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  Speaker 5: helps her take care of the baby. She's, when I say,
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  Speaker 5: one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen in
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  Speaker 5: my life.
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  Speaker 6: An actual black woman.
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  Speaker 3: Chocolate, beautiful.
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  Speaker 5: Her features, just her aura, how she carries herself.
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  Speaker 3: She's a great photographer.
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  Speaker 2: She's dope. I'll take that, Brie.
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  Speaker 1: Well, all right.
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  Speaker 2: Get her again.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Take that to the black team. Okay. So next we're
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  Speaker 4: going to get into Dean's.
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  Speaker 3: Is my mic as low?
• 12:38
  Speaker 4: Claudia's mic is low again.
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  Speaker 2: My voice is low.
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  Speaker 3: I had the, yeah, my voice is very raspy.
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  Speaker 2: That's okay.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to pull it up.
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  Speaker 3: Doing a lot this week.
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  Speaker 4: Claudia had a busy weekend. She was in D.C. at
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  Speaker 4: the Black Caucus.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Caucus.
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  Speaker 2: CBC. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that a freak nick for smart people?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it is. Yes, it is.
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  Speaker 6: I was like, why are we not saying the elephant
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  Speaker 6: in the room?
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  Speaker 2: It's very classy, though.
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  Speaker 6: Classy freak nick.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, I don't even know.
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  Speaker 6: That's what I thought.
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  Speaker 3: I lived in D.C.
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  Speaker 6: For 12 years. I thought it was classy freakness. My
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  Speaker 6: sister lives in D.C.
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  Speaker 1: Too.
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  Speaker 3: He's very respectful, very honorable.
• 13:12
  Speaker 6: Was Mr. Luke there?
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: Sorry. It was amazing.
• 13:14
  Speaker 4: I had a great time.
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: Good, Claudia.
• 13:16
  Speaker 3: I had a great time there.
• 13:18
  Speaker 6: Come on, baby.
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 13:19
  Speaker 4: Not Luke Campbell, honey. Yes, we can see your comments. Yes,
• 13:25
  Speaker 4: we can see your comments.
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, so the next story we have, because I want
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: to read this, is Dee Smith. So Dee Smith is
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: a former love and hip-hop Atlanta reality star who announced
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: recently that he's living as a man again after 12
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: years as a transgendered woman.
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: I want to make sure to.
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: Read exactly what... He, because I want to make sure
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: I respect the pronouns. He's going by he right now.
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: I'll read some of it. He's pretty much saying that
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: for most of his life... He's followed his heart, but
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: over the past several months, he's begun a new chapter
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: in his life. He'll be living and presenting as a
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: man and using the he, him pronouns. This is not
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: about erasing my past. Living my life as a woman
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: for 12 years showed me the man.
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: That I wanted to become. Dustin, what are your thoughts
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: on that?
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: Listen, man. First of all, shout out to D. Smith
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: for living in his truth, right?
• 14:34
  Speaker 7: Just as I respect somebody's transition, I'm going to definitely
• 14:37
  Speaker 7: respect somebody's detransition. And listen, Donald Trump got prices so high,
• 14:43
  Speaker 7: makeup has skyrocketed.
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: Wait.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: This is not where.
• 14:47
  Speaker 5: I thought this was going.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: Hair products have gone through the roof. You have a point. So, look.
• 14:54
  Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying?
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: Right. No, but much respect to D. Smith. Do your thing.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: Live in your truth.
• 15:03
  Speaker 7: And it was very easy to say she when she
• 15:05
  Speaker 7: was presenting as a male, as a woman. Now that
• 15:09
  Speaker 7: he's presenting as a man, you just call him he.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: It's simple. Okay.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: One of the things that people are saying, and I'll
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: go next to you, Claudia, there are people who are
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: saying that, well, Dustin said, okay, if that's what you
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: want to do, fine. However, they feel that what Dee
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: Smith is doing is causing some of the right-wingers who
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: believe that being gay is a choice. Yep. And that
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: by you choosing to now detransition, although that's your right,
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: your choice, your body, you being a public figure, they
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: do feel like you're now going to sort of take
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: the movement backwards and cause the right winger to say, see,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: I told you so.
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: That's the first thing that came to my mind. I
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: felt like this will be great fodder for the right
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: to use, especially in an election year with the midterms
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: coming up. They already tried to put that entire movement
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: on the Democratic Party and use it in a negative
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: way and really blow up the spot and really exaggerate
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: greatly about kids are just going to school and transitioning
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: and getting picked up from school and they're a different
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: sex now.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: That's what they've been doing, right?
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: They've been just really putting 10 on 20, 20 on 10,
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: whatever the goddamn phrase is. And I feel like, I
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: almost wish he would have, I hate to tell someone
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: to keep it on the low for just a little bit,
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: because I feel like they will make him be the
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: face of, well, see, like you said, it's a choice, A,
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: and bringing it back to the forefront in a negative way.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Because they will make an
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: example out of someone and say, yeah.
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: You can just go back and forth, and this is
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: a voluntary thing, as opposed to, I mean, I first
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: was introduced to my trans friend in 1990. And we
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: had really long conversations about how she felt like she
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: was born in the wrong body and would cry to
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: me about it, saying, I really feel like my spirit
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: and my soul is woman. And so from 1990, that
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: was really unheard of.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: It was very rare, you know?
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: And so I just don't want them to hijack this
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: moment and make it a, you know, put that on
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: the whole community.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: And Blue, when he said, look, I lived my life
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: 12 years as a woman, and it made me understand
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: what life is like living as a man. What were
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on that particular story?
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: 12 years as a slave child. Well, my first reaction,
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: I'm so sorry.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I tried, okay? These spanks hurt.
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: My first thought was what Claudia said, and I had
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: a quick moment of panic, right?
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: I lived in D.C.
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: For 12 years. And when you work in politics, you
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: know exactly what those dog whistles are. What calmed me down,
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: funny enough, is a quote that Bill Clinton said to
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: Oprah years ago. He said, when it comes to politics,
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: the pendulum always swings far left, then it swings far right,
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: and then it finds the middle, and then it starts
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: swinging again. So which means that we had the Obama years,
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: and it swung far to the progressive. It was inevitable
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: we were going to be in whatever the fuck this is, right?
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: The pendulum always does that politically. And I realized this
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: is no different than when Jackie Perry and them all
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: decided they didn't want to eat cooch no more. This
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: is nothing different than the former gay movement. You know
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: what I mean? And when I remember that, it made
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: me calm down because I was like, if we were
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: really going to use one person to represent a whole...
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: That means all white men are school shooters. It means
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: all Republicans are gay because every time they come into town,
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: Grindr shuts down. Did y'all see that story? How they
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: came to town, had a little convention, Grindr couldn't keep
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: up with all the dick pics.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Sorry, the dick pics. It actually happened for real.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: It's very true. Every city.
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: Every city, Republicans have conventions, Grindr has to shut down
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: because they don't have enough streams for the stream.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: So if we really want to be talking, let's talk.
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: You're talking about one body from ATL somewhere. Let's talk
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: about all of y'all in the log cabins.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Stooping each other. We can do this all day.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: And my thing is they're going to say whatever they're
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: going to say anyway.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: Exactly, because they're dumb.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: People who have those residual feelings of life.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: You probably can now.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: People who are transphobic and shit. You know what I'm saying?
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: They're already transphobic.
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: They're going to say that shit anyway.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: It's also not fair to pin the whole entire responsibility
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: of representation on one person in any marginalized group.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: True. So, like, again, I really.
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: It's tricky, though, because to your point, you know when
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: you start making money, so now you have to lie
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: to your broke friends because you don't want them to
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: ask you for money?
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: No.
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: Carlos, I'm looking right at you.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I'm looking right at you, Carlos, right?
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: In the same way, it's kind of like that same
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: personal discernment, right? If you're someone who's detransitioning in a
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: time like this, you have to decide, even though it's
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: my personal truth, how much do I want to share
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: because of the climate? And so it's like, you don't
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: owe us this and you got a little bit of discernment. Like,
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: so I understand like, it's not wrong that he's doing
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: it I also wonder about the need to make a
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: public statement because I don't know who you are it's.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: A statement I've never heard of you it's a statement
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: right now yeah just handle your business do what makes
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: you feel good but just be mindful of of the
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: climate that we're in.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: There's certain jokes you can't make and there's certain things
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: you can't say during a certain time.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: And yes, the pendulum, I always say that it swings
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: both ways and it goes hard right and it goes
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: hard left.
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: Carlos, calm down. Carlos, are you ready?
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: I'm mature.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I'm being mature right now.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: Carlos is like having flashbacks.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: And it is not his fault.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: It's not his responsibility to be, you know, the forefront
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: of this. But I'm just saying what the right will
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: attach themselves to and what they will jump on. They
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: will see this as And never in history have we
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: been at this point where they are turning whites back.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: That's a little bit different. Like, they are.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: Looking for any excuse to demonize marginalized communities already. I mean,
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: they've shown successfully that they can take away women's rights,
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: including white women, so you don't think they'll do it
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: to us.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: To black trans folks?
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: Could it be a cop chase, though? A part of
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: me is wondering, if you're a Z-list... Oh, sorry. If
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: you are someone who is known only in certain silos
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: and it's not necessary to make an Obama-like statement, is
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: there some.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: No, everyone has a brand and everyone's... Yeah, is there.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: Some sort of ploy for relevance here? That's what makes
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: me nervous is the ploy for relevance.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: I will say this. So, listen, I... I watched the
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: season that Dee Smith was on.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I'm happy for that.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: Somebody did in the room.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I'm only going to say Tama Rivera. You know the
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: scene I'm talking about, Dustin?
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where she did the gesture.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she did the gesture, pretty much inferring that, you know,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: these are my... I'm going to speak for Tami, but
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Tami did a moment where she kind of like motioned
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: to her titties.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: You know, okay.
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: I don't know. Finish the sentence.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: That's the sentence.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: That's what happened.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what she did, but it was left for interpretation. D.
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: Smith and Tammy were arguing as Tammy was exiting the argument.
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: They were insulting each other. And Tammy did like this.
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: So if, oh, mine are real.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Whatever. We don't know. She didn't say anything.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: She just made that joke. She made that movement. But
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: she did leave a comment. I believe if I don't
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: got this wrong. And Tammy, I love you if I
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: got this wrong.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I know what it said.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: It was something about.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I know you fucking lying. Thank you.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I was just about to say that. I know you
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: fucking lying. I will say this. I agree with all
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: of you guys in terms of, again, D Smith, his body,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: his choice.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: As a gay person, I was, I'll speak for me.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to speak for the community. I'll speak
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: for myself as an individual. I was born gay. I
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: knew at five. My daddy said four.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: I said, well, you should tell me something.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Hey, so you can get back to moving back. I
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: knew you was four. I said, well, nigga, you should have.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: Girls came on like, wham.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: Well, damn.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Okay. I love it.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: No, my mom, rest in heaven. I would read bridal magazines. Oh, damn, Carlos. Okay,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: you know what? Wow.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: I wasn't even doing that shit.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: You were gay in the Lutheran parties.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: Oh, my God, that's gay.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: I was playing, I was in the woods playing, building forts,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: reading bridal magazines.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I was reading books. I had two moments. I'm a
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: stereotype in some instances.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Okay. No. Shut up.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: You don't say.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Shut up.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: It's a high-pitched voice. This guy was dating once. He said,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: you know, you mind me up? I said, Marlon Wayans.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: He said, no, Gilbert Gottfried. Damn.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: If Gilbert Gottfried put his hand up, Marlon Wayans is
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: like a puppet.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Check, please. I hope you said check, please.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: No, I literally said, you're not attractive to me anymore.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, I know who this is.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: It's the iconic boy.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: You should be like Beast. But no, so I, as
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: a kid, I would do this.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Hey, mom.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: So like, I'm thinking, and she would do this. She said,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: do this before your father gets home. And I would
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: read right on magazine. She would say, put that away
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: before your father gets home. I said, what about the tabloid?
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: She said, read that. And look, a whole career. Look
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: at that. And I would, I maybe was seven or, no,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I was 10 when I tried on my mother's heels.
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: I was waiting for that, like a bingo card of
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: gay stuff. Yeah, yeah.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Bingo.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Because, you know, but my point is from my experience
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: as a boy, boy, as a person born male, I
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: know that I'm different. I'm trying to figure things out.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I never thought, this is me though, that's why I'm
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: not saying this is for everybody.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I was in the wrong body,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: but I felt like I'm different. I'm not like my brothers.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: And then although I did all those things, I never
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: wanted to be a woman.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: And that's why when it comes to the trans movement
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: that I love so much, I appreciate De Smith's honesty.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: But I do agree in a sense that I wonder if, okay,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: did it have to be a public declaration only because...
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: No disrespect to Dee Smith, and I would love to
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: talk to him. It's not like T.S.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Madison, Dominique Morgan.
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: You know, like these extremely famous, popular trans activists who
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: have notoriety. He was a cliffhanger, Carlos.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: He put a cliffhanger after two pages. You could have
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: just got to the point. That made me feel a
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: little clout-chasey, like a teaser. He was like, hey, I
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: did it because I had to do it because I
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: did it.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Because I did it.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: I had to do it.
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: By the way, come back later for the reason why.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: By the end, it felt like a commercial.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: I read the whole thing.
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: Two pages of WordTube, and then at the end you say,
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: come back to figure out why I did it. That
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: feels like a rollout.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: This is Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Let's get back into the show.
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: I really liked life a lot better, and I'm the
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: oldest one here. I liked life a lot better before
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: social media.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I loved it.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: The 1900s, I miss them as well.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: I have a 50-50 love.
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't be as rich without social media. Can we
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: all just say that?
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I like money.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: So let's be careful.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, interpersonal relationships.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: I know what you're saying. Career-wise.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Relationships. And, like, I get sick of people.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Everyone's a goddamn model and a rapper and has a brand.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: And a brand, yeah.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: And all that.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you don't. You're not.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Knock it off.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: But filtered social media and attention makes you feel like
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: you are.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: A teaser.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: And I remember back in the day when models had to, like,
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: look like something when they showed up to the go-sees.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: And they had to show their real face.
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: You know, if anybody deserves to be put in front
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: of the firing squad, it's whoever invented the comment section.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: That mother... Yeah. How can we talk? You can... Go ahead. Well,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: that person. Whoever that was.
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: Whoever the miscreant is that invented the comment section.
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: Isn't that Mark Zuckerberg?
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: If it is, then much like the sound of the
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: letters in the middle of your name, Zuck, you.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Because you have ruined it for all of us, man.
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: It's the fucking comment section that makes people feel like
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: what they have to say matters.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: And it might some places, but not over here.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: It carries too much weight now.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: People in the.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: Comments trying to out-common each other. Like they're having a
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: separate show there.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Oh, they are.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: But that's why I will always admit my fault in it.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I will always admit that I will see a post,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: have intrusive thoughts, and go straight to the comments.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: And see them.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: To see if they're saying what I'm thinking. Oh, wow.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: Which is not, listen, as somebody who gets dragged on
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: a regular basis. So how do you feel, friend?
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why I can't, I'll say this. I no
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: longer have the disdain for comments that I do anymore.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Dustin Ross actually changed my mind when it came to comments.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I will never forget when he said this to me
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: two years ago. He said the comments section is for them.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: It's for them to have conversations about the art that
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: you put out. It is not your job to see
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: what people are saying about your art.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I live by that.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: He said that's for them to tussle, get into it,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: drag each other. He said, it is not your job
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: as the creator of art to see what they're saying.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: And it changed my life. Like it really did. So
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: my point is, I know that I have this life
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: because of social media and this privilege because of comments.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: It's quite nice. But I also know that I can't
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: be a prisoner to.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: It can be a slave to the comments yeah a
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: slave to the comments.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: That's even better well I haven't reached that level of
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: enlightenment yet.
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: It's coming Claudia as you were talking I can feel
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: her booty she's crunching you know.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: I used to work with Jamie Foxx and them on
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: the radio like we would be firing back all the
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: time and that was what helped me actually on Housewives
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: and all the other shows like my quick comebacking it's
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: a great muscle you have like it's kind of a
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: thing that I just it's part of my personality like
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: I it's hard for me to just.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: Be like can you find someone else can you like
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: go to the debate club or something No.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: She's here. I'm here.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: That's true. This is the debate club. Well, speaking of debate,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: our next topic, listen.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: Nice segue.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: We did talk about this last.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Night, but I know that Monday Night Live audience, you know,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: we have thousands of people tune in.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Thank you to the people who showed up last night.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: But I know that you guys have been asking since
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: last week because Claudia and Blue were.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: Off last night.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Week and the comment section... Sorry, Dustin, I read something bad. Oh,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: so you did read it.
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: Dustin changed my life. But last week, though, y'all had
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: me fucked up.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Hear me out.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Hear me out.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: My YouTube strategist said I have to comment within the first...
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: like hour.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, for the algorithm.
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: About 30 minutes, yeah.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Let's say 30 minutes. I see you in there sometimes.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Hey, girl.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Love you.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Thanks.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: He puts a lot of hearts and smiles. I see that.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: Can you see it?
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Okay. So a lot of people said, we cannot wait
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: to hear Claudia and Blue's commentary on Todd and Candy.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: So obviously, Dustin, we're going to chime in too, but
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Claudia and Blue.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: So as you all know, Todd....
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Todd Tucker has a divorce movie series. What's a movie?
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: What's a series?
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: What do these words actually mean?
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Look at Kandi's face. She's like, no.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: That's my face.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Me and Kandi look kindred right now. What do we call.
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: So everything's a movie now. Well, out of his.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: You get a movie.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: You get a movie.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: It's a series.
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: So he's Todd partnered with. I guess he going to
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: cut this too and put this in his next commercial, huh?
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: He is. I don't even want to fucking.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Say it, Todd.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Anyway, Todd partnered with- Hi, Todd. Hey, Todd.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: Hi, Candy.
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: Hello, Candy. Hi, Don Juan.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Hi, Candy. Don Juan, my boy.
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: Anyway, so Todd partnered with AMC to do a screening
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: of his film, Don't Bring Your Man to Atlanta.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: A one-time show?
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: No, it's like 10 different cities. In the Tin City tour, right?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: A tour? So we're using words loose today.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: In the Tin City tour.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Nothing means anything.
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: He is also screening an episode of his new series.
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: It's a docu-series, right, Carlos?
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: It's a docu-series called Till Divorce Do Us Part. And
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: that is what everybody is getting that clip from where
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: he was talking about the personal matters.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: What's the movie called?
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Don't Bring Your Man to Atlanta.
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: Oh, the one when Shamia had her legs out?
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: No, I think that was the past.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: I saw the video. It's like Cinemax.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: It has since been deleted.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: With Bolo and his face in her.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: I saw it. Yes, Shamia unfollowed Todd. Todd, welcome to
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: the unfollow club.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Aw. No, if I was Shamia, I would have unfollowed
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Todd too.
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: I wish everybody not talking about Shamia. I just wish
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: that the audience would grow up because Shamia's acting.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: She's acting.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: What the fuck?
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: But have you seen the clip?
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Y'all act like She is cheating on her husband. She's fucked.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: She's acting.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: Dustin, I understand.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: I understand. But when Bolo.
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: But you know when Bolo has your.
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: Nears to your ears.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: And, you know, maybe it's flesh panties, but it looks
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: like he's giving back shots.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: It should.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: And also, Bolo has some.
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: It's supposed to be a sex scene for him.
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: But it felt like sex because it's Bolo.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: It should.
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: It's a horse penis. You can't tuck that so far.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: I do not like how she was demonized and vilified
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: for playing a role in it being good acting.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: It was great acting, yeah.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Listen, ask someone.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: Who's done sex scenes in movies and all of that.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: There's all kinds of tricks. It's so not a sexy
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: environment when you're doing it.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: It's really not.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: There's more people in the scene that are in this
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: room right now. You have, like, there's all kind of
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: privacy guards. You rehearse.
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: An intimacy coordinator.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, there's an intimacy coordinator.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Does Todd have all that? I don't know, but there's.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: Someone usually there that you can talk to about it, right?
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: And it's just like, I just feel like because of
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: what happened, like, the villainization of Shamia this season, anything she.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Does, it's like, oh, she's this, she's that.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, look at her.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Look at her cheating. She's an actress.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: And I would be damned if I'm in a... Just
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: because I'm in a relationship, I can't take certain roles because...
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: You guys are going to really be dumb enough to
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: think that I'm cheating on my husband. I'm on set
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: with 20,000 people.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: You shot a kid in a Tubi movie.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I shot several.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Damn, Dustin.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: You feel me?
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: No, here's the thing.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: I shot kids.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I don't fuck people in movies.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: I cheated on my husband in the kitchen with a handyman.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Watch The Handyman on Amazon and Tubi.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Please watch it.
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: Please watch that, girl.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: The issue isn't her, though. It's Todd.
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: I actually believe she means an actress. I don't think
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: Todd knows how to spell intimacy coordinator.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: What?
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: My issue is not Shamia and her acting. I think
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: Todd had her ass out with Bolo saying, and action.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: But so what, though? I don't think it's the intimacy.
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: Not so what, regarding her. I'm just saying, like, what
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: is the... I just don't understand what everybody is.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: We don't trust Todd.
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: The answer is we don't trust Todd.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Now, the thing is that.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: It's a movie.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Movie.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: So how is Shamia, like, what happened... How was she wronged?
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: She was not wrong. I'm saying it's Todd.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: How did he wrong her? That's what I'm saying.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you because Shamia.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: He cut the clip now.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: He does have a choice of cutting the clip.
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: He did her dirty.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: It's Todd. It's not Shamia.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: It's Todd.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Of course, as a producer, you would do that if
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: you want people... We're all talking about this movie that
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: we would not have probably seen.
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: But he cannibalized her after what she'd been through.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: I actually feel bad for Shamia.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: I agree with that.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: He threw her under the bus.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I agree with that.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Todd threw Shamia under the bus.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you what Shamia did. She did text
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Todd and told him to take it down.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: Her text to him was, first.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Why would you add the Real Housewives of Atlanta clip
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: to it?
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: That part.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: After that, she told him to take the post down.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, he tied it to the shit on the show.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: He played the clip first. And she unfollowed him to
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: my team.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Did Todd take the pose down?
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, I checked myself. You can ask me. He
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: took it down.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: He took it down.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I want to send it to my friends.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: So Todd did take it down.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: And then Todd did apologize to Shamia. It was nasty
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: work on Todd's behalf.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: On the radio.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: If I was in a relationship where I was like,
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: you know, all this drama is already happening. People are
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: questioning my marriage. And then I happen to do a
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: movie probably six months prior or however many months prior.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: And then that's the clip you chose to use?
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. During this week of hell that I'm going through?
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I get why you're doing it because you want attention.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: But as my friend, I would hope you'd have a
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: little bit more care. Because I don't think she did
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: anything wrong. I do think the choice of that, again,
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: for me, it's always timing.
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: It's Todd.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Todd is the problem, as usual. As a producer, listen,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Todd's job is to get the most reaction out of
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: the audience.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: And it worked.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I disagree with him for adding the Housewives of Atlanta clip.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: You could never do that to Claudia. I could never
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: see you doing that to Claudia.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: I would never.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: As a producer. No, no, no.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: She and I, she knows that.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Todd was 1,000% wrong for adding the housewife's clip.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: Wrong.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: That's why it's inflammatory. It sensationalized the moment. And I
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: think it should be his defense. Like Claudia is saying, look,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: this woman has been dragged through the mud, the coals,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: this entire season. So to know that they are filming
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: season 18, a lot of things that are going to
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: happen this season is residue from last season. And from
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the mental space she's in filming, and you know that
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: she's filming a reality show, that's the last thing she
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: wants to deal with. So listen, Todd, I respect the
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: trailer that I want to talk about with Apollo, Peter,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: and stuff. But in all fairness, adding the Housewives of
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Atlanta clip was not finishing me up.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Too much. Now, help me understand. What was going on
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: that week? with Shamia, why was this a tough time
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: for her?
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: Well, no, no.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I think what Claudia was saying, a tough time because
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: she's back filming the show. It was the week she
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: started filming.
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: It was the week she started.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: It was the week she started filming.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: And look, as a former producer of Atlanta Housewives, that
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: first week, the ladies are nervous because they're sort of like,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Who's going to come at me? And I just think
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: you don't. And let's be clear. These, I know how
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: this game works and so do you. These girls are
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: going to watch that clip and use it against her
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: as they're filming.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: And she just came off the reunion, which wasn't that
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: long ago, where there was allegations that she cheated on
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: her husband.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: And you saw the clip. And if you're not selling
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: the list, we watch these shows, right? But there's a
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: lot of people that don't.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I'm happy you get in there.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: I'm not crazy. And then you see this.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: And if you're just like a casual watcher of these
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: shows and you see Shamia's legs up in a clip,
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, I saw her cheating. Not everybody is
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: thoroughly watching these shows and really paying attention. And it's just,
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: it's piling on when she's already kind of like got
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: the weight of the Real Housewives world on her.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Back, I think. Yeah.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: I just want to say one last thing back to
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: the original point. The man who would do that might
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: have your coochie out on set. I still think that
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: I question Todd's discernment. I question how safe, because here's
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: the thing, not to name drop. But many moons ago,
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: Lena Waithe wanted me to be an intimacy coordinator for
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: her team. As someone who almost went into.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: I think she's so beautiful, by the way.
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: She's very swaggy.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Shout out to Lena. Is she your type?
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: I'm not doing that right now. Oh, my bad.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Hold up, we talking about... Blue.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: We talking about Dustin's dick. We talking about Carlton's titties.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: We talking about my weekend in DC. The black hawk kiss. Yes,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: the black hawk kiss. Freak Nick, conservative Freak Nick. We
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: can talk about... You and Lena. Oh, no.
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I went to the African American Film Critics Association. And
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Lena Waithe was there. And she follows me on Instagram.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: But I got a chance to meet her.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: What are you flicking? Because Barbara Brocker kills being honored.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: And you know, that's Lena's mentor. Long story short. Ty Young,
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: you ain't got nothing on Lena Waithe, baby.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Lena Waithe, I was like.
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: Lena can pay her bills.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Lena Waithe got that money too. That's Lena Waithe. Waithe.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Lena can pay her bills.
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: Lena Raith.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Lena Raith.
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: Lena Waithe is the reason why I met.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Don't give Ty no ideas.
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: What's the name? The one from Cruel Intentions.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon.
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: Lena Waithe, the Jewish woman, Reese Witherspoon. She's that kind
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: of famous.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Reese Witherspoon smiled like Eve, like a white Eve.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: She is a whitey. And also, she was the only
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: white person at the function. We were having a Hillman
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: grad production party. She was the only white person. She
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: showed up with her white husband. They were at the cookout.
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: But back to the point. As somebody who almost went
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: into intimacy coordination, I literally sincerely believe somebody who would
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: cannibalize Shamia, who was a friend and an actress who
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: trusted you in that way in this season, I also
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: don't trust the parameters that you had on set.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: But Shamia I don't either I'm going there I'm going
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: there I'm going there What does that say About Shamia
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: though What does that say About Shamia.
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: Right Nothing about Shamia My people with Todd But this
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: is what I'm saying I don't think Shamia I don't
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: think that Shamia Would even allow herself To be in
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: an unsafe Environment on set Right?
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: It's not like Shamil would just sit.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Back and allow... How many movies has she done? That's
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: a real question.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Allow that to happen, right?
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Movies, how many movies?
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Well, how many coochies does she have? It only takes
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: one to know that.
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, we can.
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: It only takes one to know, like, I don't want
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: my coochie out unless I want my coochie out, right?
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: So I don't think that.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: She was vulnerable for.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: He was saying it's art for my movie with AMC. Yeah,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: it's coochie. I don't think Todd would do that, and
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think Shamia would allow that. I don't think nothing.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: She was compromising that way on set.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: No, I think we all can agree respectfully.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: No, I think all of us agree that respectfully, Todd
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: showing the clip, adding the hospitals of Atlanta to it
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: at this time was wrong.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: And then knowing her husband has a problem with that
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: and using that as the promo for the movie, again,
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: makes sense business-wise. But it doesn't make sense as a friend.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Gerald, fight him.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Gerald, fight that man.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: It's not compassionate.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: Sometimes as producers, we have to use our sensibility.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Can't be all business, right?
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: No, you got to use your sensibility in terms of like,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: I don't want to have this woman have this case.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: But again, that's why, listen, Todd, I will say this
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: to your face. Like, I just.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: think that, I understand as a producer, you're trying to
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: promote this movie, but adding the Housewives of Atlanta clip
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: was wrong.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: And in Todd's defense, he did apologize to Shamia.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, publicly.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: And publicly.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: But once it's out, the scandal is out.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: He got the view.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: The scandal is out.
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: After y'all started calling.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: His shit a movie.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: Okay. I do want to get into this moment.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I do have a strong feeling we're going to disagree
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: on this like we did last... Is there any more water?
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: Okay, let me do that now. Okay, get the Saratoga, baby.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: We got money, friend. That's their token, honey.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: A little blue bottle. Not blue light. So....
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: The Black Hawk is all I got.
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: Conservative freak.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: The Black Hawk is.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: The Black Hawk is.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I'm never going to get invited. Okay, it's all good.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: I'll bring you next year.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Ooh.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: You would love it.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: You would love the Black Caucus.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: DC is one of the best places to meet.
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: It's great for a live show, too.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: DC, Howard Theater. I did get a text from Claudia saying, look,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: and I said, Claudia, you are a hot mess.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: Oh, shut up, Claudia.
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: Oh, Yo, the daggers that just came out of his
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: puss in boots eyes.
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Cole did nothing wrong. He did nothing wrong.
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: Well, I thought you started this.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: He didn't. He's innocent. In case he's, you know, significant
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: others watching. I was at the after party.
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: Oh my God, we're doing this right now.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: It was like New York. It was like, you know.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: She really telling it.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: She really talking it.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Someone came up to me and they said.
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: I love.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: You keep going.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I am. Listen, you think I have guardrails?
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Have we met? What is this show? Have we met?
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: We're worse live.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, we're worse in person.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: I love it. He came up to me and said,
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: I love Carlos King. I think he's so beautiful. And
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: he's like, I love him. And I said, what's your Instagram?
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: And I got his information and I just sent it
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: to Carlos. And I don't know if he's probably not
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: going to do anything with it. But I just want
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: him to know that he has love out here in
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: these streets.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: It was nothing more than that. I didn't get his
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: phone number. It was just his IG. Nothing ever happens
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: from an IG.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Nothing.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: So Todd did.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: This on Instagram.
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: Do you regret having us all in the same room
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: or you love it here?
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: You love it here? No, somebody had to comment that
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: Carlos loves sitting next to Claudia.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: He's having a good time.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: I want to stop patting your nose like CBJ did
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: to Duff.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Oh my God! Yeah.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Thank you, baby.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: And Mimi's like, fuck. And I'm in the back like, Mimi.
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: So, thank you, Claudia, for all this.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Black Caucus.
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: Make that a drinking game. Every time you hear Black
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: Caucus this episode.
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: Take a sip.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Deke. Deke.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Sponsored by Deke. Deke. Deke.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: Okay, so.
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: That's from the T-shirt, by the way.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: D-I-Q-E-E. Todd and Kandi are divorced. We know that they
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: had threesomes, right? It's not a surprise. Todd is catching
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of controversy and strays for mentioning in his
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: trailer when Peter Thomas asked him, if they had threesomes
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: in their marriage, and Todd responded by saying, in most
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: of our marriage, we did. A lot of people feel
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: like Todd is being disrespectful to Kandi. Kandi's team released
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: a statement where Kandi, the statement was on behalf of Kandi,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: in her defense, I don't know if she approved it,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: but it was on behalf of her. And I think
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: all of us in media and I want the audience
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: to understand that when things are saying on behalf of
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Kendi Burris, that could be her.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: Publicist, her manager.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: She did not post it on her Instagram or her
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Twitter account, but it did say that Todd is trying
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: to extend support. His five minutes of fame.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: She deducted the 10.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: She can count.
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: Money, time, she can count.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Could he be on the next 15 or would you
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: make the next five? Yikes.
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: Next two and a third.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: The next five could be a show.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Is that a movie or a series? Because I want
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: to know what are these words?
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: People's attention span is a lot shorter now. That's all.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: The next five. I want to be corrected. He actually said,
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: thank you, Jesus, girl behavior. He actually said throughout their marriage.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: Thank you for correcting me.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Look, she said he's trying to extend his five minutes
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: of fame, intimating that, you know, when it comes to
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: her reasoning for divorcing him.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: This proves why she had to.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: And she did start off the statement by saying that
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: after much heartache that she experienced and how Todd hurt
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: her to her core. And last but not least, mentioned
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: that this was a private moment between them. There's people
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: who think, well, Candy, you told everybody on a show
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: that is the biggest show on Bravo that y'all had threesomes.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Where was Todd's privacy then? Todd did say on the
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: radio show that he didn't like that Candy would talk
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: about that. So starting with you, Dustin, do you think
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: that Todd has a fair assessment of you talked about
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: it first.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: I didn't like it.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I'm only answering a question that Peter asked me based
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: on what you put out there already.
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: No, I felt like when Candy talked about them having threesomes,
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: that was she was speaking for both of them.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: And she was protecting the information. I even remember her
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: saying in.
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: The clip that was shared amongst us, she said, literally,
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: I don't know how much I should share, how much
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: I should tell.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Kandi protected that information. So I want to make, the.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Clip you're talking about was a conversation between her and
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: DJ A1 that was aired months before she filed for divorce.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: So this is like 2026.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Or something like that.
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: And so when Todd talked about it, I think it
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: was post-divorce. Again, we just got through talking about Todd
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: having an understanding of how to sensationalize things to make
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: them appeal to audiences. I think that's what he was doing.
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: It made the edit for the trailer. So that was intentional.
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: And I think it's a clear difference in the two statements.
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: So I get what people are saying. But again, everybody
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: needs to grow the hell up. People have threesomes. So really,
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: y'all are the ones giving it gas by making.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: It like, he said this, he said this, he said this. Okay.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: You have them too.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't understand the backlash personally. And I want
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: to hear from you too, because the audience has been
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: waiting a week to hear from you guys.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: No pressure.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Okay. You know, yeah, I will say this.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: As somebody who has watched every single episode of Atlanta Housewives,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: obviously I produced nine seasons of it. Kandi has been
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: very open about her sexuality, which has been empowering for her.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: She's been very open about, you know, being with women
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: out of her own admission. she has been open about
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: having threesomes out of her own admission. I do think
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: what I believe is fair is the fact that Todd
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: saying that, okay, we had threesomes throughout our marriage, I
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: did not take that as a numerology statement in terms
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: of the amounts. I took that as him co-signing that, yes,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: we had... threesomes throughout our marriage. Candy, the interview me
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: and Dustin referring to, that happened months before she filed
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: for divorce and she said out of her own mouth
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: that within the last six months they had a threesome
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: and she mentioned people signing NDAs.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: So it's something that I agree with Dustin. And when
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: I agree with Dustin, I agree with Dustin in the
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: sense of.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Everything I said.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: That part.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: The totality.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: That two adults in the same marriage, to me, I
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: thought they said the same thing.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: I don't understand this backlash.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Blue.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, light work. Okay. That was a question?
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: So here's the thing. It's no secret what I think
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: of Todd.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: What do you think?
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: I think Mama Joyce was disrespectful, but not inaccurate. And
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: I do think that the scheming that she saw in him,
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: we're now seeing what it looks like. Here's my thing.
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: Something being accurate is completely irrelevant when it comes to weaponizing.
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: In fact, weaponizing accuracy is the best way to be manipulative.
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: So it being accurate actually means absolutely nothing to me.
• 50:33
  Speaker 6: So that's irrelevant. What's relevant is consent, timing, and intention.
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: When I'm in a relationship, perfect example, if I'm sitting
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: here and I have me a little man friend and
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: I say, you know, sometimes we do fun things on vacation.
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: It is what it is. And you say, well, Blue,
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: how many times? You're like, I don't want to say
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: too much. I don't know how much I want to say,
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: but it's been within the last six months. And I
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: still think that even with an open relationship like this,
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: there's still ways to cheat if you go outside of
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: our covenant. That's very different than you in a car
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: with Patricia that you probably rented talking about, yeah, you know,
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: all throughout that bitch, we were doing it. Uh-huh. And
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: Patricia's like, oh, I'm innocent.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I'm innocent.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: No, you're not.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: You broke.
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: But anyways, like, it's a lot going on. It's a
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: different timing, different intention, lack of consent, and the fact
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: that he's weaponizing her truth. It being true doesn't make
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: it okay to weaponize it. And what I say... coyly,
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: before I'm in a relationship with you, about who I
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: am open sexually, and then say in shades about us
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: in a relationship is very different than you using it
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: as a promo. Because it'd be one thing if you
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: said it in the episode and somebody in the comment section,
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: like we were talking earlier, pulled it out and made
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: a big deal out of it. He chose it for
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: the trailer of his movie, series, Instagram reel, whatever we're
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: going to call it today.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: Not Instagram reel.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: Making it part of the trailer tells me everything I
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: need to know about the intention. So yeah, I think
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: he's whack.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: So, okay.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: So you believe because he put it in the trailer,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: his intention was to do what exactly?
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: To leverage her once again to pay his bills. As
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: a woman who knows what it's like to be up
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: while your man is down, you know what it's like
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: when you are choosing. And Claudia, I think we can
• 52:04
  Speaker 6: both agree with this. You know what it's like when
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: you are doing really well at life and you really
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: believe in the person that you're with and he's still
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: in between blessings? And so you give him a layup, right?
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: Candy knows what it's like to give Todd a layup.
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: Most of what we know about Todd and his relevancy
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: is because of Candy giving him a layup. Now that
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: we're no longer together, you can't keep on going to
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: the bank to make withdrawals like that. And I think
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: she's sick of being took from even after they've separated.
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: She's like, you broke my heart. I kept the cue
• 52:28
  Speaker 6: for us to raise the kids. And I did my
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: best to give you some sense of dignity because I
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: want my children not to be embarrassed by their father.
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: And you're still trying to put your gourd into the
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: well and take from me. Enough. I think she's tired
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: of being took from.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Claudia.
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: Again, I agree with a lot that Blue's saying. I
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: think it's a timing thing as well. It's one thing
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: when things are good. Oh, you know, last night on
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: Black Caucus and then say we get in a bad place.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Everybody drinks Black Caucus.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: So say we're in a bad place and we fall out, right?
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: And then you're with them and you're like, you know
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: how she gets down at Black Caucus.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: It's like it hits differently than when we were saying
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: it when we were like in a good place.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: And that's where there's a difference. And also.
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: We're hearing allegedly that she was cheated on. I'll be
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: damned if I gave my man all this rope to
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: have threesomes with me.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: And that's consensual.
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: And then that's still not enough where you still go
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: outside of that and you cheat on me. And I
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: know people that I've never had a threesome. And so
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: that's not my world. But I have friends that are
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: in relationships that do that. And they explain to me
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: how there's still rules on that. And the cheating probably
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: hurts even more when you give all this rope and
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: they still cheat on you. And you're like, damn, I'm
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: not enough. And then a plus one bitch is not enough.
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: And that's still, like, you still go behind my back.
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: So I think that because of the timing, there's more
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: of a betrayal thing about this than when we were
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: in a good place saying Black Caucus.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Ooh, drink again. Well, I think at this point, listen,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: there has been this... conversation that a lot of women
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: have been having about men being the new bitches. And
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: the first time I.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: You mean me and Claudia on the couch?
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what's so funny? You don't have to
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: be obtuse.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: I'm right here. I think you'll probably remember this too.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: The first person in my memory that I heard say
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: this was Toni Braxton. When she talked about this with
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: her ex-husband, the first... Well, she's only been married twice.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: From Nick Condition.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: Yes, Carrie.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: The little pretty nigga from Nick Condition, yeah.
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: Carrie, because she had to pay him alimony.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: And she did an interview saying, men are the new bitches.
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: Just be a man about it was her song, remember?
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just be a man about it. So the thing
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: is this, there is this conversation. We talk about Peter
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: on my podcast saying that Cynthia.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: Cynthia.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Cynthia.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: To Cynthia.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: About how Cynthia, he wanted Cynthia to take over his condo.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: He mentioned how he took Cynthia out to dinner and
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: she said yes at dinner. And then she left to dinner.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: And when he tried to contact her, she didn't answer
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: the phone. And he was hurt by that. And then, Peter,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I love you. 100% of the audience was not on
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: his side.
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: We know that Ralph is being, Ralph Pittman, Drew Sedora's
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: estranged husband.
• 55:19
  Speaker 6: From the basement?
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: The one in the basement who recently got custody.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: He's on the ground floor now.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: Well, he got the house. He got the house.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Handed him from the ground up.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Look at that.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: Started from the bottom, now we're here.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Brownstone for the bottom up album.
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: Shout out to Nikki Gilbert, Dustin's favorite lead singer in Brownstone.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: So, the thing is.
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: Are there others?
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: I was there. Side joke. Now, the thing....
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: My mouth's the bullshit. Okay.
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry. Me and Dustin have the same kind of tism, y'all.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: So.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute. Okay.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Do you?
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: Do you?
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: I took no tests. I think I'm the test. Who
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: said that? So the thing is this. Why is it
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: that men... Here we go again.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: Cancel it.
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: Someone's going to be mad again.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Why is it.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Why is it that some men on reality television Dustin
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: yes cannot.
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: State how they feel without being called a.
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: Bitch the way they say it Todd could have had
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: that conversation a totally different way Peter could have kept
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: his mouth closed about personal matters.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Well, things that really aren't even matters.
• 56:43
  Speaker 7: Because Cynthia got on in the car and went on
• 56:46
  Speaker 7: down the road and said, the hell with all that.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm about to go do the trade.
• 56:50
  Speaker 7: This nigga got me completely fucked up.
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: You're a bad bitch.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: She's like, I done been married, got a.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Divorce, got a new boyfriend. You're my ex-husband twice removed.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: You're not even the best one I had, Leon.
• 57:03
  Speaker 6: Are you crazy?
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: What are we saying?
• 57:05
  Speaker 7: Like, So yeah, it's the way they do it, man.
• 57:09
  Speaker 7: Come on, it's a way you could tell your story
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: without trying to disparage the woman or without sounding like
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: the woman.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: You could just tell your story.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Not a woman, a bitch.
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because I resent when people say they're acting like
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: it's feminine because actually.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: The women aren't even doing that anymore.
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we're real niggas now.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Women are like, we're like manning up now.
• 57:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we're real niggas.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: It's not even a thing you can say.
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: Like when people say, oh, they throw like a girl.
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: They talk like they're being like a girl.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: What is this new thing? It's a new subcategory.
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah. It's a bitch assness category and I don't subscribe
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: to bitch assness.
• 57:43
  Speaker 6: Bitch is gender neutral, guys.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bitch ass is sure gender neutral.
• 57:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, bitch is gender neutral.
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: But Blue, you are a woman who strongly believes that
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: everybody should have a voice, whether you are male, female,
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: a they, no matter your identity. Why is it that
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: black men, straight black men feel like the moment we
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: state how we feel, it's an issue with women?
• 58:09
  Speaker 6: I'm also an ego death coach, so I can call
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: the bullshit out.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 58:12
  Speaker 6: So what you're saying is happening. What's actually happening, there's
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: a disparity there, right? If you are speaking your truth
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: with the intention of creating a bridge between you and
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: others to have further understanding, that is honorable, and I
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: will always defend that, and that's the only thing I defend.
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: Once you take the truth and shank people with it
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: like a knife, that's no longer honorable. And so I'm
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: never going to tell black men, black dogs, Chinese men,
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: Asian trans people. I'm not going to tell anybody to
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: shank people with the truth and weaponize it.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: And so that's bullshit, right?
• 58:38
  Speaker 6: And what's actually funny is, It's actually really dangerous in
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: a new form of misogyny to flatten the female experience,
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: flatten the woman experience into its lowest, nastiest, most scheming parts,
• 58:49
  Speaker 6: and then cosplay as the worst parts of flattened womanhood.
• 58:53
  Speaker 6: Women are more than being flewed out. We're more than
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: men paying the bills. And here's the thing, too. Women
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: had to do those things back in the day because
• 58:59
  Speaker 6: up until 1974, we couldn't even have our own bank accounts.
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: So when we did it, it was a response to misogyny.
• 59:04
  Speaker 6: Y'all built that shit. You don't need to respond to it.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: You built it.
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: And so to flatten us down to city girls, uh,
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: and then cosplay as city girls and have us pay
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: the bill, that's whack to me. And that has nothing
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: to do with emotional intelligence. That has nothing to do
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: with therapy speak. And I resent men who weaponize therapy
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: speak and emotional intelligence as a new way to still
• 59:22
  Speaker 6: cause harm to women.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: It feels bitch ass.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Did I answer your question?
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: It does.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: I think the bitch assness argument, I think there's a
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: difference between a woman just shutting a man down when
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: he expresses himself and saying, oh, you're being a bitch.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: You shouldn't have feelings. Men don't cry.
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: I think that's a big mistake to say men shouldn't cry.
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: I think that's bullshit. I think that's why we have
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: a lot of our problems, right? This is different because
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: it's a category of women. that are all alphas, got
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: their money and put their men on their platform. So
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: it just hits a little bit different when you're kind
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: of biting the hand that kind of fed you. And
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: even though these men had things going on, let's not
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: sit here and act like being on The Real Housewives
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: of Atlanta did not elevate Ralph Pittman, Peter Thomas, and
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: Todd Kerr.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: Well, let's not also act like them being married to
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: this man did not elevate their storyline.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: But they still got the show without.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: That's icing, not cake. You can't eat icing by itself.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: But I'm saying, let's call a spade a spade, right?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: So, I do agree with you.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: The show definitely brought these men notoriety and fame. But again,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: when I interview Peter Thomas, listen, I.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Know that I'm out here.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: You insist on reminding us.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: You insist alone.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: But I will say, the men that's been on my podcast,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: I've had Peter Thomas and Apollo.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: I'll stick with Peter because he's most recent. Peter did say...
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: And Cordell Stewart said this.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: That's not helping.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: What a line of winners.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: So many winners on this list. Win, win, win, win.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: All we do is win, huh?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to have your back, man.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: I got you.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Two L's make a W, huh, Carlos? Two losers make
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: a W.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: I want to be clear when I say this.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: I'm on no one's side. I'm here as the moderator
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: to give you guys all sides, right?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: So....
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: These straight men who come from Real Housewives, they have
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: said this show inevitably ruined them because they felt like
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: they're now only seen as you're the husband of dot, dot, dot.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: You're the ex-husband of dot, dot, dot.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: And the reason why they feel like Cordell made a
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: very public statement, and I talked to Porsche about this
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: in our interview.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: He said, I'm a Heisman Trophy winner.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: And I've been reduced to being introduced as Portia's husband.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: In that demographic.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know. But these men do
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: feel like I helped these housewives that I was married
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: to get ass back season to season because of our relationship.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: And that's true. Okay. But let me get in. That's true.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: They did help the women's storylines who are the stars.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: But like, we can interchange the husbands and those girls
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: still have the personality.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Bingo.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: Of course, she's still going to have her personality. Nene
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: Leakes is still going to have her personality. You know
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: what I mean? Like, you can put any man.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: In their storyline and we're going to still care because
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: the women are the stars. Yes, they did hell.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Agreed.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: They're supporting cast. And guess what? Supporting cast members can
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: be replaced.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Right. And they literally were replaced. They got fucking divorced.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: And the show still went on.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: They left the shit out of all of them. Cynthia
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 7: left the shit out of Peter. Portia left the fuck
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 7: out of Cordell.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: Left them hard.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying? NeNe and Greg got divorced.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying? Rest in peace to the
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 7: one and only Greg Leakes. But NeNe divorced Greg.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: And it didn't take away from her storyline.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: He wasn't there.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 7: And these women continued on the show. So that's always
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 7: been a really weak argument to me, you know, for
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 7: them to say that. I've never understood why they... And
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 7: even if we were to accept that as truth, then what?
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: I have a question.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: So what do you want from that type? What do
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: they want?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Based on what I did listen to Todd's interview on
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: B1 on 3.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: Todd feels like.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: I did too, by the way.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Todd did say at the end of the day,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: because they did ask him like, what do you want
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: out of this?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: He said, I do want my wife back.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Todd.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: Well, that's not the way to go.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 6: As a tourist and a chance at hell.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, she would have pissed on you if
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: you were on fire.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: I don't get the Todd Tucker's and the Michael Blackson
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: of the world that have sexy, successful women in their
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: lives that have given you the rope to have other
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: women in your life and still squander that. I don't
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: understand that. Because my brain doesn't work like that.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: That's still not enough? And then you regret it later
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: because you realize you had one that did hold you down.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: And let's say this. Candy, for many, many years, was
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: very quiet and very protective of time.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: To the point of even having issues with her own
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: family over it, like having smoke, right? She protected him
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: all those years. So that's when cheating hits even more.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: Because then you've got to deal with the I told
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: you so's and Mama Joyce is right and it was
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: a scheme. And I'm sure that feels like shit.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 6: I think he enjoyed that. I will say this, and
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 6: I love this conversation. Carlos, you realize that every single
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 6: thing you said that those men say that we're supposed
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 6: to play the world's smallest violin for is what women
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 6: have been saying for centuries. And so what they're really
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 6: saying is how dare you put me in the place
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 6: that I wanted to put you in first. And that's
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 6: why that argument is bullshit to me. Women for years
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 6: have helped men build their careers, be the one who
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: helps their storyline by being the pretty trophy on their arm,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 6: be the one who supports them on their way up,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 6: makes them substantial because they have a family to come
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 6: back to at home, and they're expected to eat shit
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 6: and be quiet. And the men are saying, how dare
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 6: you do the thing to me that I was allowed
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: to do to you instead?
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: Drake even had a whole line about it. You wasn't
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: with me shooting in the gym, right?
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 6: Women haven't seen that for centuries, so that argument is
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 6: tired and means nothing to me. That sympathy you feel
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: for them is them projecting what they wish they could
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 6: do first. It's like when white folks try to use
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: reverse racism.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: I would also like to add that the show is
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: called The Real Housewives.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, not the real niggas.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Not the real niggas of Atlanta.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: My thing is.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Like, so what are you even speaking up to.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: Have a say in this for? We don't care about
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 7: how you even feel. This show is called The Real Housewives.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: You're her husband. It's a subordinate role in its entirety.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: In this show.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: How dare you? I'm speaking up.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: How do you make a man subordinate?
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Hearing that is just wild to me.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: Imagine someone bringing you on a show that they're eating
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: off of, and your bookings go up, your quote goes up,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: you're getting all these things, and at the end, you
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: have all this shit to say. Now, I do think
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: men's feelings matter as well. Y'all's feelings do matter.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: They should be able.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: To express themselves. My feelings definitely motherfucking matter.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? They matter. They matter.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: These househusbands' feelings do matter, but again, it's the way
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: you do it.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: The way you do it. That's why there was so
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: much respect. For Greg Leaks.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: Because he found a way to, you know, state what
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: he had to say. From what I know of.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: He probably had... Well, yeah, I don't want to.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: I'm going to rewrite that. We remember that radio interview.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: You learned the hard way.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: You remember that, Carlos? I was actually.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: I was there with season three. And this is the
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: reason why, listen, I want to make it very clear.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: I love this conversation because... Listen, there isn't a Real
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: House Husband who's here to defend himself. And I'm basing
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: my statements based on conversations I have with these guys
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: on my podcast.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 6: Fraudulent masculinity, by the way. The next time they say that,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 6: tell them that they're fraudulent masculinity. Their slip is showing.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, but the thing is... Okay, okay. But to what
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Dustin is saying, season three of The Real Housewives of Atlanta...
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, by that point, NeNe Leakes was the biggest
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: reality star in the world. And their lives changed overnight. Greg, unfortunately,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: was being recorded where he thought he was having a
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: private conversation with a friend. And he said things like,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: you know, rest in peace, Greg. He just said things like,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: I made her. I invested all this money, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: 300,000.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: Yes. And Nene was devastated.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: And I had to be there that moment. Nene took
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: off her eyelashes. You know, that's in the kitchen.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: And she was devastated.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: And the next season, they divorced. And Greg had to
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: win her back. And one thing that he said through
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: therapy is, And I will never forget this. And I
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: think maybe the reason why I do, I will admit,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: I do have a little, not a little, I'm not
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: going to denounce it. I do have sympathy for these
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: men who joined the show because I think it's easy
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: to say, yeah, but you're the husband of, right? I
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: think based on what Greg Leakes experienced early on in
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: our conversation, he just felt like, What is my identity
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: outside of this? And I think because we do live
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: in a patriarchal world, right?
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: Where men were raised, and especially Greg's generation, especially his generation.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 6: It should be him.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: Where I'm the breadwinner and I help you.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: And when the roles are reversed, I do want to
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: know to the four men watching on Monday Night Live.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, here we go.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: You know, that we saw in the audience last night.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: I do think there is a conversation that needs to
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: be had with straight men being like, what is it
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: like being married to a Kandi Burris?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: To a NeNe Leakes? To a Cynthia.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: You know, what is that like? So I understand that.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: Man, Carlos.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: I understand.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: No, no.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: I understand that, yes, there's a lot of privilege there.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: But I think when you are raised to be the
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: man to provide, what is that like when you feel like,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: I don't have a voice anymore because the public doesn't
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: want it.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 7: So to me if you are a person who governs
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 7: yourself that way if you're a man that has those
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 7: sorts of thoughts and feelings those sort of perspectives on
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 7: relationships and who's doing what that should motivate you to
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 7: be up so high That your woman can be just
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: as high and as successful as she wants to and
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 7: it won't affect your ego. If that's the case and
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 7: that's how you find your self-worth, then you should be
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 7: that driven in your career to where you're.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: Satisfied. Your ego is satisfied. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: I'm happy you said that.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 7: You're not looking for that from her. To me, that
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 7: would be the only way to hold fast to those
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 7: types of views.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: It's quite literally the only.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: You know what Carlos said?
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 6: He said therapy, right? Here's the thing. If you are
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 6: a man, I'm going to keep on saying this because
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 6: just because something is sympathetic doesn't mean it's right. And
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 6: if you are a man whose entire identity falls apart,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 6: if you cannot rely on the privilege of patriarchy, that
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 6: has nothing to do with your wife. What you're saying
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: is you feel bad for men who can't benefit from
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 6: patriarchy in the way that they thought they were promised.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 6: I'm never going to have sympathy for that. I understand
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 6: why you do. But as somebody who does the work
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 6: that I do, that means they need an ego death.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 6: That means the part of you that needs to be
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 6: superior to her in order for you to be a man.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: Is already weak.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: That's already a weak stance to have to begin with.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: There's something in you that was broken before she got
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 6: there and will be broken with your next wife. Because
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: there will be another one, right? Because women like that
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 6: tend to leave men like you. And so what has
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 6: to happen is, like what happened with Greg is, you
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 6: have to go to therapy to realize you thought your
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 6: heart was breaking the entire time your ego was just dying.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: So the woman has no fault in this.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 6: It's not about fault.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: It's about responsibility. No, I don't think so.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 6: So the answer, I will answer that. I will answer
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: that directly.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: Because the thing is this. Because listen.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: I will answer that.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: I do believe. Responsibility. Thank you.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: I do believe that there's a responsibility that women should
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: have when it comes to making sure that their man
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: feels valued. And Kandi did that.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 6: And look what happened.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying she didn't.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: Right, you're just talking about women in general.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about women in general. I do think, one
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: thing Todd did say, he said, I have lived my
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: life under her shadows for so long, and now that
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: I'm out of it, I'm just living my life, right?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: And I'm not saying he's right or she's wrong. I'm
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: not saying that.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: But what I am saying is, I do feel like
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of men, men, men, men, men, and
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: what I haven't heard yet is, we are all imperfect people.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: You mean to tell me that these women, and I'm
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: not talking about anyone specifically, because I wasn't in their marriage, right?
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: I do believe strongly that when it comes to successful
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: women who are married to men that make less than them,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: that are more famous than them, I do feel like
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: there needs to be some sort of responsibility to them
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: that they must do better when it comes to making
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: sure your man feels like he's still a man. Pause, pause, pause.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 6: You guys, he asked me a question. I would like
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: to just land this, because he was looking directly at me.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 6: And I want to address it directly because there's a
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 6: real answer because that was a great moment. And there's
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: also a very clear answer. It's not actually a mysterious answer.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: The direct answer is people have to be responsible for themselves.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 6: Statistically speaking, women already are the breadwinners. So this whole
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: patriarchy thing is a facade that we put up for
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: men's egos. Any woman who's a strong woman, I'm included,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 6: Claudia's included, we understand this. We all know to play
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: the game about how to stroke your man and make
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 6: sure that he feels like a man, even if you're
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 6: the one who can pay the tab, technically speaking, right?
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: That's the thing that women have actually mastered. The issue
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: with all the women in this situation, whether it was
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: Nene or Candy or anybody else, most women in their
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 6: position do their best to uphold their man's dignity when
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 6: it comes to their family, when it comes to their children,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: when it even comes to the audience. What ends up
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 6: happening is, as a woman who's dated men not for money,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: When I date men who don't make as much money
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 6: as me, no matter how much of that I do,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: and I do it a lot, if a man doesn't
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: respect him, he won't respect you for doing it either.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 6: Because if a man doesn't like himself, he will always
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 6: find a way to sabotage the relationship. So the real
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 6: answer is, even if I did everything you said, the
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 6: work still has to come from you. It's not my
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: fault or your fault. It's your responsibility. Nobody can fill
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 6: that hole in you. And so a lot of men
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: are so busy feeling sympathetic to themselves, like, I feel
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 6: bad because I lived in her shadow. And the thing is,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 6: if she was in your position, women for centuries have
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: figured out how to figure out how to still have
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 6: their own lives outside of their partners, even when they're
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 6: in a shadow. Todd needs to go to therapy. Greg
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 6: had to go to therapy. Ralph had to go to therapy.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 6: And if you spend all your time worrying about what's
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 6: not her fault, and I will also say this, a
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 6: lot of you believe that all women who make a
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 6: lot of money are ball busters. And that's actually not
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: the truth.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: I agree with that.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 6: That's a fallacy of patriarchy.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: I agree with that.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: Most of us will actually bring up, we're submissive breadwinners.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: We'll give you the big piece of chicken.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: I want to know what you think that looks like. Yeah,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: what does that look like? Oh, easily.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: Because Kenny did it, child.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: I'm going to have Claudia go first, and then I'll
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: answer your question after her.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: I've been in this situation a couple of times and yeah,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: like where the man makes less. And I was very
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: conscious of how I'm allowing people to treat him and
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: how I was in my mind, like being overly concerned
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: with not emasculating him and making sure he doesn't feel emasculated.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: So I agree with some of the stuff you're saying.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: I agree with a lot of what all y'all saying,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: but like being in that space, right? I would try
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: extra hard to like not ever let him be in
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: a place where he would.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: Ever get embarrassed.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: Like say my car is better than his and we
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: take my car. I give him the keys so he
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: can look like he's driving the car and it's his shit.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, that's my shit. We're not doing that.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 5: That's a surface thing I'm saying, right? That's just an example, right?
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: I would be, I would always have to be thinking
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: about not like just being so aware of people not
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: disrespecting my man. Cause sometimes a richer man sees you
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: with a guy that they know is blue collar or whatever.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: They'll try it. And it is a lot of work.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: And I will say I didn't mind doing that because
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: I love the person.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: I think there's a difference between women that, um, actively
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: emasculate their men, yes, there is a responsibility on those women.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: They should not do that.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: And there have been examples on that show of women
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 5: who I think who have done that. And I think
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: you're right about that. And I think that's fucked up.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: I don't think a man or a woman should do
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 5: that to their partner. It's your job to protect your partner.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: You're right about that. I do agree with that.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: But in my case, and probably Blue can agree with this.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: You're the norm.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 6: That's the thing. She's the norm.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: But I think the beautiful thing that I love that
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: she said is she can also admit that I had
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: to get it right. Yeah, I did.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: Because I had to really think about it. Things that
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: you think is no big deal because you're operating in
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: your boss space, I had to be a little bit
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: extra conscious.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: And aware of the situation. It's exhausting. It's exhausting. And
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: some men, no.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: Matter what you do and how much you go out
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: of your way to make sure everything's right, if they're
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: not right within, like what she's saying, they will resent
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: you for it later on and they will blame you.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: You know, like I remember being with the one guy
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 5: that lost his job and I did all the things,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 5: like I tried to be the crutch and the cover
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: and provide cover for him. And at the end of
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: the day, I got dropped over that, really, because he
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 5: didn't feel good about himself. He did not like me
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: trying to help him.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Listen, you do not get away with it.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: We care about men's dignity. The thing is, no matter
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: how much we care, you still have to do the work.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: No, I know, but I also think, in all fairness,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: women also have to do the work, though.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: Did you hear the word she had, Marge? It's a
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: lot of work. And to answer Dustin's question, my example
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: would be this.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit up here and spill anyone's tea.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: One of the beautiful things about my privilege of being
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: a producer is is I worked on shows where women
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: were the stars, the breadwinners, et cetera. And I have
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: seen women emasculate these men. They're toxic. I have seen it.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: And I don't like that.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 6: And they're not all women.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: In all fairness, you've seen it. And they're not all women.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: I've seen it.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: And they're wrong as hell for that.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 6: They're wrong as hell.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: I know, but let's have a conversation. We all agree
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: that they're wrong as hell, right?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: God forbid, though, these men then go on the platform
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: to talk about it.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: He's a bitch.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 6: If he weaponizes it, he's a bitch.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: You can't weaponize your truth. Yes, you can, actually.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I mean. That's the best thing
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: to weaponize. I mean, I do agree.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: When you said that, I actually like that smart.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: Some people do have the intention of weaponizing the truth,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: but all men do not have the intention of weaponizing
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: the truth. Of course not. When I look at Todd Tucker,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: for example, so we're talking about him. I think Todd
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: is hurting. I think Todd is sad.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: Me too.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: I think we have to look at it that Todd
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't have his mother anymore.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: He doesn't. Todd has no one.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: He has nobody. I'm not trying to get sympathy for Todd. No,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: he's a human being.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: He can have sympathy.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: When I look at what Todd is doing, I see
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: a man who is lost without candy. Whose actions are those, though?
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: He's free-falling a little bit.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 6: I see a man who's trying to.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: I see a man who's trying to pick up the
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: pieces of what my life is post-Candy. Because for the
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: past 12 years, all he knows is his life with.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: He knew who he was pre-her.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: Yep. Okay?
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: And I think what Todd is doing that a lot
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: of men do resonate with is, what was my life
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: like before you? We talked about the Beyonce-Jay-Z situation when
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: Beyonce talked about, courtesy of Lemonade, what happened to her marriage.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: Halle Berry, Eric Benet.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: You?
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Beyonce? Halle Berry? They're still people. They're still just people.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: Because they're human and they're imperfect.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: My thing is this.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: We are living in a world where Black women are
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: the largest entrepreneurial group in the world and they deserve
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: it and they work hard for it.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: Okay? I want a Black female president.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: Me too.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: My doctor is a Black woman.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: Okay? That's right.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: The woman who runs my company is a Black woman.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: I have Black women surrounding me because they make me
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: a better human okay even within that even within that
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: I can also see okay babe And K says, you
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: kind of, you know, coming down your man and emasculating him.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: And my last point would be this. I did an
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: interview with Mona Scott Young. And Mona Scott Young is
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: a multi-gazillionaire. And Mona's so rich, y'all.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 6: Are you hanging around thinking about how rich Mona is?
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 6: I think the hickey got bigger.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: Mona, man.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: I've had a missy since day one, Claudia.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: My fellow Haitian sis.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: That's all I gotta say. If Mona had no other clients,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: just know Mona did two things. She managed Missy since
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: day one and still does. And Mona was a part
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: of the violator with 50 Cent, Spiderman.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 6: And we also have the same politics on men, ironically.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: And she's your big Haitian sis.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: I did an interview with Mona Sky Young.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: I know what you're about to say.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 6: I do too.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: Because I agree with Mona. That's why it's funny. And
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: I said, how does your husband... take you being the breadwinner.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: And she said, what are you talking about? And I said, well,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: you know, like your husband stays, stood home all those
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: years to take care of the kids while you're out
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: there working.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: She said, who told you that?
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: She said, let me tell you something about Sean.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: My husband.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: It's we.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: It's us.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: This is our company. It's not mine.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: She said, everything I do is a we. The conversations,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: the deals, he's included. She said, the difference that you
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: don't get, right, is I may be the front-facing person.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: But what we're not going to do is not give
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: this man the props for being a part of everything
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: I've done. He allows me to do that. He's the
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: one who said, I'll take care of the kids. You
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: go out there and work. She said, I get offended
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: when people call me Mona Scott. She said, bitch, add
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: back young. You're not going to disrespect my husband. She said,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: so thank you for the question. And it's not for you,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: this energy I have. She said, but I need the
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: world to know that just because I'm seen as Mona
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: Scott Young... we're never going to negate what Sean Young
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: did for me and what he continues to do for
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: me and what he continues to do for us. And
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: in that moment, I said to myself, I do wish
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: more women, when given the opportunity, can do that.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: If you're a woman that is the financial red winner,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: the front facing person, you definitely do need to be
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: on that type of energy.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: You should.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: And I highly recommend it because once you start letting interviewers,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: people in the public, the social media, disrespect your dude,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: it becomes a thing. And then that creates a problem
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: at home.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: And that's why with Todd, the situation, we're going to
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: move on to love and marriage.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: By the way, you just came.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 6: To my point though. The irony is you just agreed
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 6: with me after all that, that, that debate. Oh yeah. No,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 6: we actually agree a hundred percent because here's the thing that,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 6: that is being missed here. Mona is the statistical norm,
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  Speaker 6: but because you're in a space where you are dealing
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  Speaker 6: with a vocal minority and And so the vocal minority
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  Speaker 6: feels like a much larger majority to you. The average
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  Speaker 6: woman moves more like Mona than what you're used to.
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  Speaker 6: You're in rarefied air. So you're seeing a woman that
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  Speaker 6: is actually not the norm, but you're seeing her.
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  Speaker 4: More because you're a producer. Yes?
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  Speaker 6: No air quotes like a movie.
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  Speaker 1: No air quotes. He's a real producer.
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  Speaker 6: As a producer, you're seeing a vocal minority that is toxic.
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  Speaker 6: The average woman, I believe like Mona.
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  Speaker 4: But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 6: If Mona's husband sabotaged the relationship and was free-falling, Mona
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  Speaker 6: didn't do that to him. So every time we're talking
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  Speaker 6: about Todd and you bring it back to the woman,
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  Speaker 6: that's where the conversation gets lost because he had it.
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  Speaker 6: And to me and Claudia's point, he didn't think he
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  Speaker 6: deserved it and he sabotaged it. The only person who
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  Speaker 6: has to work with on that is Todd. The man
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  Speaker 6: who sabotages that is the only person who's at.
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  Speaker 4: Fault for that.
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  Speaker 7: Let's also be clear when we talk about what Mona said.
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  Speaker 7: Mona didn't say... I want everybody to respect my husband
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  Speaker 7: who's at home.
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  Speaker 2: Not doing nothing.
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  Speaker 7: Mona was like, no, actually my husband is an integral
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  Speaker 7: part of my company.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.
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  Speaker 2: He worked and earned the respect that she demands for him.
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  Speaker 7: So that's totally different than someone being upset because they're
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  Speaker 7: not getting a piece of the pie of the fandom
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  Speaker 7: that these housewives get. And further to my point, Mona's
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  Speaker 7: husband ain't said shit. Even after her saying that, we
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  Speaker 7: still ain't never heard nothing from him. He's not seeking
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  Speaker 7: validation from Mona's celebrity.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's what the difference is.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 6: That felt good.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Oprah. How do you feel, Carlos?
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  Speaker 2: How do you feel?
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  Speaker 4: I love this conversation.
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  Speaker 6: By the way.
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  Speaker 4: I can talk about this for another two hours.
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  Speaker 1: Same. Do we have it?
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  Speaker 6: No, we do not.
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  Speaker 1: Look at Claudia. You know what? There's a healing in this.
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  Speaker 6: Because I think because of the work that you do
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  Speaker 6: and you hold space for so many people who are
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  Speaker 6: powerful but have blind spots, I think me and Claudia
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  Speaker 6: are reminding you, even Dust is reminding you, in the
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  Speaker 6: real world where everybody's not so rich and famous... we're
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  Speaker 6: actually doing the thing that you're seeking.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually happening.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why for me, my lens, and I want
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: to be very clear on this, the lens in which
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  Speaker 1: I speak was solely on the reality space because we're
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: talking about Todd, Peter, and Ralph. But hey, Raindrops, we
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  Speaker 1: will see you guys next Monday.
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  Speaker 4: I love you all. Give it up for Blue, Claudia,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: and Dustin.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we love y'all. We love y'all, Raindrops.
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  Speaker 4: We did it, loves.
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  Speaker 1: We did it!
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  Speaker 6: Live, too.
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  Speaker 1: Bye, y'all. Bye. Reality with the King is executive produced
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  Speaker 1: by me, Carlos King. Produced by Jamie Shaper in partnership.
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  Speaker 4: With the Black Effect Podcast Network.
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• 1:24:47
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