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The Anti-Aging Breakthrough: Can This Molecule Help You Live Longer? (C60 Explained) · Intellectual Medicine

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You don't have healthcare insurance, folks, remember that.
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You have sick insurance. You don't get healthy going to
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hospitals and emergency rooms. You have to be proactive.
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What is the line item in your budget for life extension and
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anti aging? Most important, because Chris,
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I've heard people say to me when I discuss this, you know, I
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don't want to live longer. I just want to stay healthy.
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Those two things kind of go together, folks.
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There's no biological reason why we need to age before we die.
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Everybody, thanks for watching me today on the podcast.
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I'm very happy to have a special guest.
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Chris Burris is the chief scientist for my Vita C.
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Did I say that correctly, Chris? My vital C Yes, Sir, my.
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Vital C You know, more than just being the scientist heading the
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company, he's been a leader in instigating research in this
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particular molecule that won a Nobel Prize back in Murray
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1980s. And the question we'll be
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talking about on broadly topic of anti aging.
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What can we do to not age and life extension?
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Can we live longer? And cancer prevention and it's
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treatment. For those of you in my world
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concerned about prostate health, prostate cancer questions come
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up frequently. How do I make myself resilient?
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So Chris, tell me about your product.
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How long has it been out there? How long have you been making
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this available? Well, well, first thank you for
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the first name basis. I like that.
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But I've been practicing Dr. Petaruti so for all this time.
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So, OK, all of that practice was was was for not.
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Yeah, I'm pretty lucky Robert was separating this molecule.
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And I'll talk a little bit about the molecule here in a second.
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And one day Doctor Chu came in and said, hey, you guys are are
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young kids. This molecule's selling for
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$6000 a gram. You should go start a company.
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So my business partner Robert is from an entrepreneurial
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background. And I joke that he did the back
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of the napkin calculation, which only had one line, $6000 a gram.
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Like just only one line and he was off and running to build a
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company. He brought me in as a mechanical
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engineer. It turns out you have to
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vaporize graphite rods at the temperature of the sun to
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manufacture this molecule. We've been business partners now
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for 30-4 years and been manufacturing the molecule for
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34 years. At the end of the process, the
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molecule carbon 60. Now a lot of folks have heard of
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C60 and that molecule has some unique attributes that lend
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itself to the space of health support of anti ageing.
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And before you explain of course the molecular part, I just want
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to highlight the field that we're both in, right?
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So Chris is on the research side of this equation, producing
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data, information and products that clinicians like me get to
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interpret and apply. We're both in a space not
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recognized by medicine. You don't have healthcare
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insurance, folks, remember that. You have sick insurance.
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You don't get healthy going to hospitals and emergency rooms.
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You have to be proactive. We mentioned before your line
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item in your budget. What is the line item in your
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budget for life extension and anti aging?
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Most important, Because Chris, I've heard people say to me when
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I discuss this, you know, I don't want to live longer.
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I just want to stay healthy. Those two things kind of go
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together, folks. There's no biological reason why
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we need to age before we die. Everything about aging is
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modifiable and antioxidation products like carbon 60 are
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foundational. So tell us about the the
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molecule. Steve, you and I are so much on
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the exact same mindset. The molecule was discovered in
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1985 at Rice University here in Houston.
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Was kind of why we ended up, you know, starting the company here
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because that technology just kind of morphed from Rice
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University over to the University of Houston in Chews
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Castle, etcetera. The three scientists who
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discovered it, Doctor Smalley, Dr. Kroto and Dr. Curl won the
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Nobel Prize for that discovery in 1996.
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So a short 11 years between being discovered and awarded the
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Nobel Prize. Our company started
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manufacturing it in 1991, a full five years before they were
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awarded the Nobel Prize. I'm not a very braggadocious
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person, but it's not unreasonable to suggest that's
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as this is as braggadocious as I'll get.
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It's not unreasonable to suggest that the fact that we were
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putting this material into research scientists hands and
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they could actually work with it and understand how valuable it
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was, is part of the reason they ultimately were awarded the
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Nobel Prize. I think eventually they would
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have been awarded it, but we probably speed it up because the
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material was actually in people's hands and they could
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they could work with it. The material is absolutely
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amazing. It the way I describe it, it
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performs better than almost every material and almost every
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application. So it makes better inks, better
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batteries, better tires, better photo cells.
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And that's often makes people nervous.
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We're we're talking about health and, and, and, you know,
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prostate cancer. And nobody woke up today and
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said, like, I wonder if I could grab something out of my car
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battery and it would help me on a daily basis.
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And really the story gets a little worse first.
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So I'm holding up the molecule. You have the perfect description
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if you're just listening. Imagine a soccer ball where the
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lines on the soccer ball represent the bonds between the
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carbon atoms. You have the spherical molecule
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of 60 carbon atoms and because of this one shape that occurs 20
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times. So there's one shape on it
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that's reminiscent of benzene and it occurs 20 times on the
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exterior of this, yet we call it ESS 60.
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This ESS 60 molecule benzene like ubiquitous in our society.
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We do not have modern society without the benzene ring.
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If you have any doubts, just look around you and imagine
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everything that is plastic gone because the foundational
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molecule is the bending benzene ring.
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Many medications have benzene as the foundational molecule,
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including aspirin, and so it's ubiquitous in our society and
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and we don't have modern society without it.
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But when benzene is on its own, it's known to be toxic and known
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to be carcinogenic. So because twenty of those
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shapes not the same formula, but those shapes are on the exterior
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of this cage, they thought the molecule would be toxic.
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They put it in a toxicity study instead of being toxic, the test
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subjects that they gave it to in this case, whist our rats lived
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90% longer than the control group.
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So that's the single longest longevity experimental result on
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mammals in history. Peer reviewed published
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research. Very proud to share that our lab
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provided the material and our lab is mentioned in that
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original study. Now here's the parallels with us
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because I tell that story and I often get why would I want to
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live longer? And for me, I can't tell you why
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I chose the date when I chose the date, but I've always
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thought I'm going to live to 125, right?
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And I'll be honest, as I always AM, be honest, it probably
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wasn't gonna look that pretty right?
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It was going to be this kind of marine death crawl over 1 to the
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finish line of 125. But that was in my goal because
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that was my vision. And so when people were saying I
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don't want to live longer, I was like, I don't get it because I
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want to live as long as possible.
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And then I realized, and you touched on it, that people can't
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separate living in some state of infirm meant from living longer,
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right? They can't separate those two.
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Here's how bad it is. So I did a longevity summit.
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I interviewed 55 experts in longevity, and I asked them two
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questions. I said, how long can humans live
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and how long do you intend to live?
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And of these 50 7 experts that I interviewed, I it was only three
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that gave the same number, right?
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Like in their head, there's no way I want to live as long as
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humans can live because I can't separate living in firm from
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living, you know, from living longer.
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And so then I just change it. Steve, if you have the same
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mental capacity that you have today and you have the same
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physical capacity that you have today, would you then be
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interested in living longer? And that changes most like
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there's still a few, but yeah, we.
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I've had the opportunity over my, you know, nearly 40 years of
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practicing medicine. I've never seen a patient of
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mine, a person I interviewed, regardless of the age.
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If you ask him a question a little differently, do you want
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to live another year? No matter.
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The answer's affirmative, as long as you're feeling good,
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right? And the idea that aging has to
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be accompanied by misery and infirmity is a historical
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recollection, but not a biological truth.
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So the antioxidant theory of aging or the free radical theory
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of aging. And it posits that these free
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radicals, these unstable molecules build up in us as we
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age. We make more of them.
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We make fewer antioxidants, so we become imbalanced.
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And those free radicals are like sandpaper on a cellular level,
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doing damage behind the scene. You can't see it.
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You're compensating. You slowly decay.
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Decay happens slow and then fast.
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So we were reflecting about, you know, when because the ESS 60 is
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a super potent antioxidant. It's got an ability because it
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has so many ports, if you will, can neutralize lots of free
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radicals. And because I know that the free
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radical damage is inevitable and progressive, it becomes a
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reflection about when to introduce it.
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So folks don't think about, I don't want to take that product.
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I don't want to live to be 120, right?
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Put that on a sidebar. What you want is to die in good
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health at an advanced age. You want death to come upon you
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abruptly. You want to be annoyed that
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you're dying because you have stuff to do tomorrow you're not
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going to get to at age 103 or some advanced age.
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So for me, Chris, it's 120. And this is how pragmatic I am.
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I plan according to that lifespan.
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Now expectations are powerful. If you're endeavoring to have an
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anti aging lifestyle, which I think you should prepare for it.
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You got to be keep your career going.
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You know, I don't intend to ever retire.
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I'll drop dead with the headphones on.
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Yeah, you entire the same. Right.
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You, you don't want to run out of money.
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You don't want to run out of stuff to do.
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And yeah, man, you got to. So you got this product.
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Fantastic antioxidant. An animal based study showing
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potential longevity benefit. By the way, folks in our world,
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Chris's world of mine, mine especially, because I'm a
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clinician, I treat patients. I take the data Chris provides
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and apply it to people. There's evidence to support what
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we're saying. There's evidence to support what
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we recommend, proof to a level that is irrefutable, very hard
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to achieve. And we're still building that
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data. But the skeptics out there, you
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talk to some docs will say, ah, there's no proof, OK, there's no
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proof that exercising every day is going to help you live longer
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either. But we like the evidence.
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So this kind of fits in that category.
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My criteria, Chris, is simply this evidence of benefit check,
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evidence of safety check practical, you can actually do
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it. You're not spending $6000 a gram
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anymore, right? It's not a $6000 supplement.
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And then it's priority, you know, where does all where does
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all fit in? So don't age live longer.
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I want 120. So I'm going to have to really,
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you know, study where to put in your product because talk a
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little bit about what the noise that's out there.
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You know, you mentioned before we were chatting that you did
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the research and found a lot of the supplements that are
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promoted have nothing in them. Tell me about ESS 60 and how
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it's distinguished from other carbon 60s.
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Well, you, you're kind of talking about this supplement
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space and I'll share this story because it's kind of
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interesting, right? This, this study where the rats
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live 90% longer comes out in mid 2012.
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By mid 2013, we're getting phone calls from this crazy, wacky
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group of people called biohackers.
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And I can say that affectionately now because I am
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a bio hacker and they were saying, hey, how much of this
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stuff should I take? And my business partner and I,
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what we heard was, hey, that stuff that you sell to research
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institutions around the world to put into inks, batteries, tires
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and photo cells. How much of that stuff should I
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be taking? And we thought the answer was 0,
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right? We put not for human consumption
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on our labeling in mid 2013. Now let's be clear, in the
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literature, it was understood to be safe.
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We're just conservative carbon nanomaterial scientists.
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So we knew what was going on. And again, because the
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literature said it was safe, we were OK with it.
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But we kept not for human consumption on our labeling.
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Finally, at the latter part of 2017, a guy with a big YouTube
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following starts talking about all the benefits he's getting
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taking it on a daily basis. And our phone went from 2:00 to
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3:00 calls per week to 10 calls per day.
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Now at that quarterly meeting, we're like, OK, this is a bigger
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opportunity than we realized. We asked ourselves 2 questions
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before we did that. The first was a moral question.
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Are we comfortable selling it? I take it, my wife takes it,
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Everybody on our team here takes it.
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From the legal perspective, we crossed the T's, dotted the IS,
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and we brought the product to market in 2018.
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And then you were talking about antioxidant.
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When I started jumping into this new role as the chief scientist
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of of a health and Wellness company, I was like, why did
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these rats live longer? And I dove into kind of the
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medical community tends to think of aging as an oxidation and an
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inflammation process. And they don't all agree that's
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how science works. But you know, that's the general
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consensus in terms of an antioxidant, there's an ad hoc
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study showing us to be 172 times more powerful than vitamin C.
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There's a peer reviewed published research paper showing
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us to be 125 times more powerful than vitamin C.
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So I'm in Houston, TX, we put a big old check mark next to
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antioxidant in terms of inflammation, anti
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anti-inflammatory. We have to be extremely careful
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because the FDA equates conversations of inflammation
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with the diseases of inflammation, which are actually
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what we're talking about, the diseases of aging, arthritis,
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Alzheimer's, cardiovascular disease, cancers.
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And so if I come on your show and I say, hey, we address
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inflammation, the FDA hears me saying we cure cancer, we cure
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cardiovascular disease. No, we're not saying that.
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We address inflammation induced by exercise.
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The FDA is part of the medical establishment, which is disease
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intervention. And behind the scenes folks, the
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medical community is really trying to own the term
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inflammation. They're trying to medicalize it.
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When they do that, it inhibits speech a bit.
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So the Federal Trade Commission, federal FTCFTA, they, they
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filter speech, particularly the type we're having public speech.
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So the the role of this, you want to be guided rationally.
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Ideally you have a functional nurse practitioner or doctor.
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Some naturopaths are great in this space to help put it all
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together. The correlation of age in cancer
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is so powerful, it is the number one risk factor for cancer
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aging. So the question then is why?
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What's a what is it about aging? So I want our listeners to know
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how cancer works, folks. It's a cellular phenomenon.
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Today I'm making cancer cells, and my immune system is killing
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them as soon as they're made. But suppose they start
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replicating. It takes 30 doubling times for a
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cancer to achieve 1 centimeter in diameter, which means it
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could be happening quietly behind the scene. 30 doubling
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times that could take 7/10/12 years.
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So my advocacy is don't chase shadows, don't do total body
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Mris every year and take false comfort.
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Presume the cancer cells are trying to happen and live in
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anti cancer lifestyle and with that will come a lot of other
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benefit. So just perhaps this is all
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hypothetical, but evidence supported, I'll put it that way,
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Strong mitochondria resilience, absence of progressive disease
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states, potential to make our bodies more cancer resilient.
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So I really think that, you know, this age 40 is a big deal.
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And I think it's relevant because you have to decide what
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to put in your body and when in order to make it kind of cancer
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resilient. Anti oxidation check of course,
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avoid the obvious stuff and then percent body fat, a huge driver
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of malignancy. You want to keep that in check.
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But Chris, tell us about the boss.
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The boss. Yeah.
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So the boss theory stands for buffering oxidative stress
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system. So we know from peer reviewed
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published research that this ESS 60 molecule gets into the
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mitochondria. We also know from way back in
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the 90s when it was discovered that this molecule can hold up
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to six negatively charged particles on the exterior of the
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cage. And here's how that manifests.
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I know you know this mitochondria, the powerhouse of
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every cell between 50 and 5000. Mitochondria in every cell in
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our body except for our blood cells, which have zero, and our
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brain and neurons which have two million.
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It is amazing how much energy our nervous system uses relative
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to our other systems. Like every power source that
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we're familiar with, there is a negative byproduct, right?
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Think about your car going down the road.
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It's got exhaust. You think about a power plant,
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it's got a smokestack and the case of mitochondria, it's
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reactive oxygen species. Now, I like to picture these
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things like little bumper cars. If they're left to their own
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devices, they run around the body and everything they smack
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into, they cause rust, oxidative stress, oxidative damage,
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ultimately inflammation, that confluence of inflammation and
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aging. And this sounds horrible and it
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is, but like so many biological systems in our body, there's a
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way to manage those. And that's with the antioxidants
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internal to the mitochondria, typically glutathione and
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melatonin. So great, everything's managed
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in a healthy mitochondria. I like to point out if you're
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alive in modern society, you have stressed mitochondria,
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right? And that's when the mitochondria
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start producing more reactive oxygen species than can be
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managed by the internal glutathione and melatonin.
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And that's when they run around like little bumper cars causing
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all that oxidative stress, oxidative damage.
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And that's where the ESS 60 molecule comes in.
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And so we believe it's holding on to up to six of those
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negatively charged reactive oxygen species.
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So they can't run around and do damage.
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And then when the mitochondria can replenish the glutathione,
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replenish the melatonin, they can manage those reactive oxygen
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species properly. The way I like to summarize it
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is we believe what we're reducing the negative impact of
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stressed mitochondria. And if you reduce the negative
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impact of stress mitochondria, you should have systemic
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benefits and you should have what we have which are head to
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toe testimonials, so. Concurrent with conventional
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treatments, this often can be a supportive parallel.
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So we're talking about neutralizing that free radical
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cascade in the brain is something called neuro
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inflammation, where the free radicals are banging around
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those bumper cars are banging around the neurons and people
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that have irritability, depression, short temper,
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they're not sleeping. We tend to think of this as an
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external phenomenon. I'm stressed because, you know,
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my wife annoys me. My job is terrible when it's
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going on inside the brain. It's, it's a organic phenomenon.
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And I don't know what your experience has been, but I've
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seen folks doing. Antioxidative type therapies,
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they brain gets better, they calm down.
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South Neuro inflammation's a real thing now.
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Just a word of caution folks. There are a lot of companies out
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there promoting lab testing. In my experience you could be
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inflamed to the 10th power based on your symptoms and the
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biomarkers are stone cold normal.
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You can't trust them. So you're the high sensitivity C
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reactive protein I've seen people with no fooling leaky gut
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inflammation and their and their test is normal.
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My point is simply don't rely on the test.
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You can subjectively trust how you feel.
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That always Trump's a lab test. We tend to think about people
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trying our product really in a three month time frame.
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I lean on a particular testimonial.
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We got some product to a lady. She took the product in the
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morning, recorded her video that night and shared in the video
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that she didn't finish her cup of coffee.
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Now, if you're a coffee drinker and you one, don't finish it and
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two, notice that, I guess it's just a bigger deal when you
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notice it. So that's month one.
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Month 2 is sleep. And, and I think actually sleep
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is happening more or or less along the whole time frame, but
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everybody gets a little bit more or less sleep every day, right?
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And so to equate this better sensation of sleep to when you
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started taking my vital C, that starts to happen at about month
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2. And what I will share is my
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father-in-law was walking with a cane and at about the three
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month mark stopped using his cane and started walking more.
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Now of course that caused him to lose weight, not necessarily
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because of our product, but because he's walking more, had
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this really nice systemic cycle of losing weight and walking
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more. And that's kind of the systemic
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benefits we think of in, in terms of month 3.
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Yeah, I think that's a valuable insight, right, folks?
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You don't get an overnight pop. This is a cellular process.
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So you've got to be diligent. And if you're taking it, it
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sometimes could be helpful to even log things, you know,
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because you kind of forget how you were over time.
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Another detail, folks do not accept where you are as how you
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have to be. Well, sometimes here, Chris,
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some of my patients will start out well.
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You know, for 65, I'm doing OK. You know, for my 8 no delete the
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for my age. Preface.
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Regardless of the age, your brain should be crackling sharp.
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Your energy should be at top shelf.
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If it's not, something's off to accept it as inevitable.
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Aging is too nihilistic. It's going to happen because now
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you're presuming it can't be changed.
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So I love this concept, the antioxidation of being
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addressed. I love the idea of us being
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educational to the patients at large so that they can take
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charge of their health maintenance.
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So people need more information, Chris.
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I know we could talk for days, but share with us how they can
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get more information about your products about the I oxidative
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pathway all together. Excellent.
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So we made a URL for your audience if they were
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interested. My vital c.com/doctorpetaruti,
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hopefully I'm saying that close, close to right.
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So that'll I'm sure that'll be in the show notes if you go
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there. Let me kind of walk you through.
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So I did do a longevity summit as I mentioned and I compiled
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tips and tricks for longevity from all of these longevity
23:57
experts. And I've compiled that into 18
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biohacking tips and you can get that for free.
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about it, what I think, I think it did a reasonable job sharing.
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I didn't want to get into the supplement industry, right?
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We could have shoved them together with an emulsifier, but
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I don't like how an emulsifier sounds and there are no health
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worthwhile. Well, listen, it's been
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fantastic. I the take home message folks is
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a lot you can do to maintain your health.
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And I think I agree with you, Chris, the face is a big deal.
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Guys. Do not avoid it because you
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think it's just for for women. That is wrong.
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Every what one of the first things I do every morning get up
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and look in the mirror. I just got to buck up and do it.
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No matter you want to live to be 100, you don't want to look the
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part. Whatever you choose to do, make
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sure you've done your research. If you have an anti aging
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clinician guiding you, confer with them, make sure the sources
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are high quality, science backed, domestically produced,
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validated right. You don't want to be a
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biohacker. Going off on a tangent, Chris.
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Yeah, you're a biohacker, but you're a scientist and I put you
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in a different category. When I hear biohacker, I'm
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thinking a lay person who's kind of promoting stuff and I don't
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know. There should be another term, a
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science biohacker. Anyhow, it's been great having
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this conversation and I think you've enlightened folks and
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with the connections you'll be able to get more information.
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So thanks for spending the time with us.
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Thank you so much, Steve.