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5-27 H1: Piggy Back Issues & OTAs Audio (Mike Macdonald) · The Gregg Bell Show

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  Speaker 1: Renting.
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  Speaker 2: I was in Shelan, drove up and back from Shelana
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  Speaker 2: to day.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know you could surf in Shelan? Well, listening
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  Speaker 1: to your show, I learned so much, Greg.
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  Speaker 3: I was able to tap into the fact that got
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  Speaker 3: something new going on where you can serve. And your
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  Speaker 3: daughter was going to Hawaii. She's ahead of the game.
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  Speaker 3: She knows how to do it. But I understand you
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  Speaker 3: guys shocked a lot of them because you did a
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  Speaker 3: lot better than the average American trying to surf.
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  Speaker 1: We stood up and went across the wave.
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  Speaker 2: So they have a wave in this pool. It overlooks
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  Speaker 2: Lake Shelan. It's right above Slidewaters. Anybody who's been to
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  Speaker 2: Shelan's probably been the or knows of slidewater's been there
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  Speaker 2: for half a century, I think, But just in the
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  Speaker 2: last five years, right above slidewaters, they've opened this thing
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  Speaker 2: called Lakeview Wave and it's a city wave facility where
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  Speaker 2: there's a generated wave with all this twelve thousand gallons
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  Speaker 2: of water get pumped into this wave and you drop
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  Speaker 2: in and it takes a benut. But it took me
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  Speaker 2: a few minutes. And they have softboards and if you land.
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  Speaker 2: You kind of bounce around in the wake of the
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  Speaker 2: wave and get spit out the other side. But a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of twenty somethings college post college people that are
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  Speaker 2: the students there, they are the teachers of the students there,
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  Speaker 2: are very patient with it.
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  Speaker 1: Say it was fun.
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  Speaker 2: It was good to get out of the rain that
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  Speaker 2: was here for most of yesterday in the Seattle area.
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  Speaker 2: But if every Cholanne you can surf in Cholande not
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  Speaker 2: on the lake, but it's surf wavepool right above the lake.
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  Speaker 2: And it was a really cool experience. But yeah, twenty
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  Speaker 2: third birthday for the spins Christ. We don't know if
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  Speaker 2: we're going to happen together too much more. Lifetime separates
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  Speaker 2: them and put them wherever.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, to take advantage when you can, I could. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I understand you. I'm sure you've noticed that with friends
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  Speaker 3: from way back. You know, you might see them every day,
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  Speaker 3: and then you only see them once every two weeks,
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  Speaker 3: and now it's once a month. Now it's every three
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  Speaker 3: or four months. Next you know, I only see you
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  Speaker 3: once a year, man, Because life happens. People get busy,
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  Speaker 3: they get jobs, they move, you name it.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a thing called life.
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  Speaker 2: You're right about. Life happens, and that's what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: So it's now I've covered twenty five years of OTA practice.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna miss Mike McDonald putting him out in the rain.
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  Speaker 1: Saw the videos of that. I say, of course they
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  Speaker 1: were out in the rain yesterday. We'll talk about that.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about who was on the field for the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks voluntary still and the first of two groups of
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  Speaker 2: three OTA practices this week and next week, and then
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  Speaker 2: a mini camp June eight, nine and ten, that's the
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  Speaker 2: only mandatory event for the Super Bowl champions before training
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  Speaker 2: camp starts the end of July. We'll talk about who
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  Speaker 2: was on the field who wasn't. Coach Mike McDonald gave
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  Speaker 2: updates on those who were not and why, including a
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  Speaker 2: veteran edge rusher key to their success last season on defense,
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  Speaker 2: not on the field, not in the facility.
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  Speaker 1: McDonald explained that as.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna talk about what Jerry Depoto did yesterday
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  Speaker 2: to try to smooth out this piggybacking between Luis Castillo
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  Speaker 2: and Bryce Miller that pretty much on press it. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know anyone in baseball has seen them a team
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  Speaker 2: that is coming off of an America League Championship Series
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  Speaker 2: appearance with two proven veteran starters trying to do what
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  Speaker 2: the Miners are trying to do. We're gonna ask Bob Nightingale,
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  Speaker 2: long time baseball reporter for USA to Die. Covered baseball
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  Speaker 2: with him in the early two thousands when he was
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  Speaker 2: with the USA. Today has been the president of the
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  Speaker 2: Baseball Writers Association. Bob night Andingale is going to join
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  Speaker 2: us at eleven o'clock. I'm gonna ask him if he's
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  Speaker 2: ever even heard of a team trying to do this
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  Speaker 2: what the Mariners have been trying to do. And it's
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  Speaker 2: been sloppy, it's been messy, it's been ugly, and both players,
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  Speaker 2: both pitchers, cas Dio and Miller don't like it.
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  Speaker 1: And so Jerry de Potti yesterday tried to smooth that out.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about that after we talked to Bob Gale
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  Speaker 2: at eleven o'clock. On the text line eleven thirty. Eleven
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  Speaker 2: thirty is every day on the text line we go
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  Speaker 2: to the Coma Dodge text line and you guys and
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  Speaker 2: gals are part of the show where you're back your
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  Speaker 2: text What should day? I'll just ask it off top
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  Speaker 2: of the show, what should the Mariners do with this
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  Speaker 2: piggyback and keep it going? Because the results say sub
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  Speaker 2: two three era couple wins, it's working.
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  Speaker 1: But then you see Louis Castillo.
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  Speaker 2: One of the clubhouse stalwarts and rocks, it's in fact
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  Speaker 2: nicknamed the Rock, throwing his helm, throwing his glove and
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  Speaker 2: equipment at the bench when he was told the other
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  Speaker 2: night in Sacramento that he was out of the game
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  Speaker 2: after four scoreless innings. Dan Wilson trying to talk to him,
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  Speaker 2: the manager on the bench about that, and he was
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  Speaker 2: a TV camera's cotton, not happy at all. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: it was enough of a story that even the a's
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  Speaker 2: feed picked up on it and they were talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: Both sides were, and it was noticeable. So Jerry Depoto,
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  Speaker 2: the team president, yesterday before the game in Sacramento, first
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  Speaker 2: Dan Wilson and then pitching coach Pete Woodworth met with
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  Speaker 2: Luis Caste and Bryce Miller, and then Jerry Depoto did
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  Speaker 2: the same. So on fournite four to five one, what
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  Speaker 2: do you think they should.
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  Speaker 1: Do about this?
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what the Poto said, but what do
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  Speaker 2: you think? On the text line four nine four to
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  Speaker 2: five one, Keep it going, switch it up, keep alternating
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  Speaker 2: like they've been doing so far with Castillo one day
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  Speaker 2: and starting and Miller relieving, and Miller are starting and
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  Speaker 2: Stee are we leaving?
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  Speaker 1: Scrap it all together?
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  Speaker 2: Put Castelle in the bullpen. Is twenty four million dollars salary,
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  Speaker 2: thirty four years old.
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  Speaker 1: That's gonna work. What do you think, kriz? I would say, despite.
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  Speaker 3: The awkward optics of this whole entire situation, it's been outstanding.
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  Speaker 3: All right, you got results? Yeah, the results are what
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  Speaker 3: we're looking for now. Offensively is where the issues have
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  Speaker 3: been throughout the season. But Miller and Castillo, they have
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  Speaker 3: combined for a two point one two era in those
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  Speaker 3: tandem games with twenty one trackouts and only five walks,
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  Speaker 3: and opponents aren't doing much against them. So while I
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  Speaker 3: think the communication aspect of this thing has been a mess,
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  Speaker 3: and either pitcher is really like, oh yeah, this is great,
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  Speaker 3: I think that's what they have to do. They have
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  Speaker 3: to find a resolution between the two parties to communicate
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  Speaker 3: this is the plan going forward. This is going to
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  Speaker 3: be successful. But I think they've already gotten past that point.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe it's too late now, But obviously that's something
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  Speaker 3: you got to go out and try. As you mentioned,
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  Speaker 3: still visibly showing frustration on Monday's game after being pulled
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  Speaker 3: in those four innings. I mean, he's out there doing
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  Speaker 3: his thing, and now you're just you know, we're just
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  Speaker 3: trying to I don't know the reason behind that. I
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  Speaker 3: guess saving him. But at the same time, he's playing well,
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  Speaker 3: so just keep him out there. So Bryce Miller continues
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  Speaker 3: to look dominant. I like that aspect, and I guess
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  Speaker 3: they're just trying to maybe perhaps they don't want to
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  Speaker 3: fully convert a Steel into a believer.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about that, so they might be trying to
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  Speaker 1: save him for that. There's a reason for that. I'll
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  Speaker 1: bring that up in a minute.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, So right now, the Mariners, I think they believe
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  Speaker 3: this is a dare I say, good problem to have, Well,
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  Speaker 3: it is everything else going on.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, Chris, because it they have six healthy starters,
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  Speaker 2: six proven starters.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, a lot of teams don't have four. That
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  Speaker 1: is very true.
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  Speaker 2: So that is to Chris's point, A really good part
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  Speaker 2: of this is this is a surplus of riches. If
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  Speaker 2: the only reason it's happening, of course, is Emerson Hancock
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  Speaker 2: has just shoved and he did it again last night,
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  Speaker 2: one hit aloud over six innings. And if he isn't
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  Speaker 2: pitching the way he is, he would be back down
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  Speaker 2: in Tacoma and there would be no story because Bryce
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  Speaker 2: Miller will be back Lease Castill would be in his
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  Speaker 2: normal slot.
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  Speaker 1: And here we go.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly opposite of what, of course happened. Is Emerson
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  Speaker 2: Hancock has pitched like an All star. Another one hit outing,
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  Speaker 2: scoreless outing last night, and.
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  Speaker 1: So here go.
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  Speaker 2: You can't keep him in the rotation. Now you mentioned
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  Speaker 2: the T word DENNDZ and E. I think that's the
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  Speaker 2: nexus of all this. But let's first talk about what
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  Speaker 2: the POTO did yesterday. He said yesterday he met with
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  Speaker 2: individually Castillo and Miller separately before the game in Sacramento,
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  Speaker 2: and per Adam Jude of the Seattle Times, who's down
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  Speaker 2: there covering the beat for the Mariners that series at
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  Speaker 2: the a's Depoto said, quote, while still not an ideal situation,
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  Speaker 2: to Chris's point, I am confident that we were able
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  Speaker 2: to move to more clearly communicate the current situation and
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  Speaker 2: plan moving forward. The plan moving forward is the piggybacking
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  Speaker 2: will continue for at least one more time through the rotation.
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  Speaker 2: Miller's going to start and Castilla will come in for
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  Speaker 2: him in relief on Sunday at the Yard and Soda
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  Speaker 2: when the Mariners finished a three game series against Arizona.
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  Speaker 2: So the alternating is going to continue. It's been Miller,
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  Speaker 2: of course starting, then Castilla relieve against the White Sox.
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  Speaker 1: Last time out Monday against the Ace.
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  Speaker 2: Castillo started how to shout out through four innings best
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  Speaker 2: started the season, and Miller pitched the final five and
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  Speaker 2: Castillo was pretty upset, slamming his glove and as I said,
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  Speaker 2: throwing stuff around the dugout. It was Miller's first relief
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  Speaker 2: appearance on Monday in his career, a week after Castillo,
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  Speaker 2: at thirty three.
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  Speaker 1: Years old, had his first career relief appearance.
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  Speaker 3: So these guys aren't used to this at all, of
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  Speaker 3: course not these are guys. This is almost too an
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  Speaker 3: NFL player getting on a team after winning a championship
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  Speaker 3: and they don't win at all. You're going, oh, last
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  Speaker 3: year you were on Ohio State and you won the champions.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and you're on the bench Ato intent coming off
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  Speaker 1: the bench.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is new territory. So when you look at
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  Speaker 3: these pictures, they're like, what are we doing here? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: And I think the biggest thing is communication. You gotta
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  Speaker 3: get ahead of it. You don't want to surprise guys. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, we're trying this thing out. We're gonna
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  Speaker 3: see how it works, and then you're getting pulled four
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  Speaker 3: innings in because you're gonna try this new system to
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  Speaker 3: try to help you long term, as opposed to getting
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  Speaker 3: ahead of it.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that's where they made.
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  Speaker 3: The biggest mistake is not making a clear, communicated effort.
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  Speaker 3: This is the plan, as opposed to, yeah, we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: try this wrinkle and well, we'll see how it works
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  Speaker 3: throughout the season. Yeah, they're not here for that.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that the Poto met with them and separately
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  Speaker 2: afterday speaks exactly to what you just said, Chris, is
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  Speaker 2: that the communication was lacking and they didn't really know.
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  Speaker 2: Now they know, Okay, through at least Sunday, we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: do this again. But now Miller's gonna start because it's
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  Speaker 2: just Brice Miller's comments. Yeah, yeah, I like it, but
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  Speaker 2: I'll do it. But you know, it's what they're doing,
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  Speaker 2: But I don't like it. And that was after he
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  Speaker 2: threw five shot out of ednings to clips out of win.
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  Speaker 1: Crazy. Yeah. Now let's also say this, this has worked.
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  Speaker 2: So far to the tune of a two point two
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  Speaker 2: era the numbers that ChRI cited because they played the
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  Speaker 2: White Sox in the A's or I should say, wow,
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  Speaker 2: they've played the White Sox in the A's maybe because
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  Speaker 2: of let's try this against the Rays and the Yankees
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  Speaker 2: and see how that goes.
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  Speaker 1: But it may not get that far.
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  Speaker 2: I think what's going on here, being around baseball since
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  Speaker 2: for twenty five years be a beat writer, I think
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  Speaker 2: they're showcasing Castillo in the prime between the end of
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  Speaker 2: May and the beginning of July.
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  Speaker 1: When it's an end of July, I should say before.
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  Speaker 2: The trade deadline, you cannot trade a thirty three year old,
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  Speaker 2: three time All Star with a twenty four million dollar
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  Speaker 2: contract and two years left on it plus a vesting
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  Speaker 2: option for twenty twenty eight. Can't trade that out of
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  Speaker 2: the bullpen. So you're gonna start him and kind of
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  Speaker 2: start him, and start him and kind of start him
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  Speaker 2: while you have these six healthy starters waiting for either
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  Speaker 2: one Castillo to just break out and just throw up
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  Speaker 2: zeros no matter what role he's in, but preferably starting,
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  Speaker 2: so he's being showcased as such, or if there's another
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  Speaker 2: injury to the rotation, because let's face it, then the
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  Speaker 2: chance of them staying with six healthy starting pitchers throughout
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the season is low. That's just the
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  Speaker 2: nature of the sport. And in fact, Bryce Miller of
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  Speaker 2: course didn't play for the first six weeks of the
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  Speaker 2: season because of his oblique injury, so the Mariners are
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  Speaker 2: hedging in the meantime. But it's really hard to try
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  Speaker 2: to dangle a guy with a twenty four million dollar
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  Speaker 2: contract to possibly trade if he's.
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  Speaker 1: Out of the bullpen, especially in long relief.
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  Speaker 2: So what the photo is explaining is that he's going
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  Speaker 2: to want to keep these guys all stretched out, meaning
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  Speaker 2: throwing multiple four or five innings so that they can
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  Speaker 2: stay on starters type workload and starters type turns every
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  Speaker 2: five days, rather than send one to the bullpen. Should
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  Speaker 2: be would be probably Castillo based on previous performances until lately,
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  Speaker 2: and if you send him and the bullpen, then you're
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  Speaker 2: shortening him and all of a sudden, his whole routine
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  Speaker 2: is switched. You can't throw him out there for five
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  Speaker 2: innings and alternating piggyback starts anymore, if he's been coming
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  Speaker 2: out of a bullfen for one inning or ning in.
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  Speaker 1: A third or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what the POTO has been selling to Castillo
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  Speaker 2: and Miller. Now, if he's really upfront with him, and
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  Speaker 2: that isn't If that is in fact what the Poto's
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  Speaker 2: thinking of doing, it's potentially showcasing him to trade him.
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  Speaker 2: He would tell Castillo that, and that part would have
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  Speaker 2: been part of yesterday's conversation. Of course, these are all
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  Speaker 2: suppositions on my part, and if they're not showcasing him
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  Speaker 2: to trade him, then that point is moot. But Chris,
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  Speaker 2: to Chris's point, let's communicate this and lay it out
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  Speaker 2: on the table what we're doing, and if they are
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  Speaker 2: in fact trying to trade him and trying.
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  Speaker 1: To do it out of a starter role, tell Castillo that.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, Castillo's thinking, Okay, there's a possibility that a
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  Speaker 2: contending team gets an injury between now and July thirty
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  Speaker 2: first to trade deadline and needs a starting frontline capable third,
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  Speaker 2: three time all start starting pitcher would be willing to
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  Speaker 2: pick up the pro ration of my salary, roughly half
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  Speaker 2: a year of twenty four million, another twenty four million
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  Speaker 2: next year, a vesting option for twenty twenty eight. If
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  Speaker 2: all that happens, what would the Mariners get in return
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  Speaker 2: of that'd be pretty low. Right, you're not talking top
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  Speaker 2: prospects or guys that could help you right now. If
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  Speaker 2: you're trying to unload that much money, you're not going
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  Speaker 2: to get much in return.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, the Mariners could say, we'll keep some of
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  Speaker 2: his contract, we know this is a weird situation, and
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  Speaker 2: we'll pay two thirds or three fourths, and that happens
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  Speaker 2: a lot. But at its surface, without the Mariners absorbing money,
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  Speaker 2: which they are in the real business is doing. They
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  Speaker 2: make money, but they don't exactly spend it, and spend
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  Speaker 2: it on players.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have. So short of that, they I.
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  Speaker 2: Think need to showcase him as a starter as much
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  Speaker 2: as they possibly can, while at the same time, Bryce
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  Speaker 2: Miller's done nothing to say he shouldn't be starting.
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  Speaker 1: And here you are.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, That's where the Mariners stand at least one more
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  Speaker 2: time through for doing this through Sunday, then what probably
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  Speaker 2: the same, I would think if the results stay the
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  Speaker 2: same and they do it again, and they do it again,
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  Speaker 2: and they keep doing it inter mintally until it doesn't work.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that's a remedy for success throughout the
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  Speaker 2: entire season. And now you're toying with what has been
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  Speaker 2: a rock in your clubhouse, a status guy in your
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  Speaker 2: clubhouse for the last several years, and Luis Castillo. That's
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  Speaker 2: where the mess comes in. It's not just hey, pitch,
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  Speaker 2: when we tell you to do your job and we'll
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  Speaker 2: figure it out. Major League Baseball players, that's not how
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  Speaker 2: it works. Four Nite, four five one and the Tacoma
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  Speaker 2: Dodge Tech Line. What would you do if you were
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  Speaker 2: in charge of the Mariners beside fire the front office
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  Speaker 2: and get rid of analytics and iPads and bring in
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of new hitters and new hitting coach and
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  Speaker 2: new manager.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna have these guys thinking deep, guys and girls,
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  Speaker 3: I mean about this when all that what Cam Mariners do.
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  Speaker 1: I mean about this issue? I yeah, I think.
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  Speaker 3: Now that it's been for the YouTube folks, air quoted, communicated,
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  Speaker 3: keep it going.
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  Speaker 1: As as well as the results stay the same. Huh
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  Speaker 1: why not? Yeah? They're just have to be said for that.
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  Speaker 1: No socks I'm like, no, do what we tell you.
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  Speaker 1: We're paying you twenty four million. Do what we say. Gosh,
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  Speaker 1: that sounds so mean. Well that's cold, but can you
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  Speaker 1: say it in a nicer way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, I'm sure Depoto would have said, we
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  Speaker 2: really love what you're doing for us.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you. The PC answer behind the scenes.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: You're doing what we expect you to do. Yes, we
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: need to develop Bryce Miller in his career as well.
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: The Mariners are hiring Greg What says you, I'd say,
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: start Castillo, okay, And.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: Having said that, then what brace Miller? No, because you're
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: gonna have Brace Miller longer. You're gonna have police Castillo.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: So right, and it then what And Miller's like, what
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: else you want me to do?
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: All right? I got her many years left. Thises Castillo have.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Two plus investing option twenty twenty eight, so he's got
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: the rest of this season at twenty four point one
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: five million, Next season twenty four point one five million.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Eat it.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: You're gonna have to that's forty eight million better the boys.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: You better pray they won the World Series half their payroll. Man,
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: It's crazy how that all works out. You're like three
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: years ago it's a great deal. Now you're like, damn
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: or two years into it, right, and we still owe
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: him forty eight million?
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? And then he comes fast, isn't it? It do?
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: And in Major League Baseball it ain't like the NFL
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: where you can massage it and it's not guarantee it out.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: And we'll stretch it out and we'll give him signing bones,
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: we'll renegotiate.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Nah, this is guaranteed cash forty eight million, whether he
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: pitches another inning for you or not. So until you
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: can unload that with somebody else, good luck.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: I talked to Chuck briefly about it this morning. He said, no,
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: there's no way they can get rid of the salary.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: They can possibly get rid of some of it and
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: have to absorb some of it to your.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Point, Chrissy, he did, Yeah, you're gonna have to if
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: you want to trade him. I think so.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: But otherwise, keep pitching him like this and then Yin
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: and Yang and these dudes. If the results stay the same,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: We're gonna talk to Bob Night and Gel eleven o'clock.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: He's been covering baseball for forty plus years.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I want to know.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, does he think this is sustainable. He knows
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Luis Castill, he's been covering the National League for a
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: long time. Is this sustainable?
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Hm?
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: I would say yeah, sustainable based on how it's going.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: But I know it takes a toll mentally because your
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: your mindset is, oh, I'm pitching at least seven eight innings,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: and now they're like, oh, no, you're a fourth inning.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: But you're great.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: But we have this situation, we have this thing that
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: we're doing to increase your workload for the further the
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: betterman of the season, per se.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: So we're gonna stop you now.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: And the Mariner's mistake obviously in the communication piece you
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: talked about Chris Castile would not have gone off in
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: the dugout had he known the deal, right, of course.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: Not.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: No, he's throwing four shutout innings the first time in
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: two months he's done that, and then you tell him
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: that you're out of it. No, No, if he would
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: if he had known at the start of the game,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: he probably would not be happens that he'd probably still
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: be upset about being taken out of it. But yeah,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: not making it a whole scene, and that's what he
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: did because they managed.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Daari Wilson comes up to him, say, okay, now you're out.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Excuse me here, what are you watching the game?
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: You left me in for months when I was getting
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: wrecked for seven runs in four innings. Now you're gonna
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: take me out when I gave up no runs in
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: fourty What? And that was the reaction? You saw the dugout.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: So the communication piece that's on the MS and when
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: they did this, I can bet your bottom dollar this
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: was not Dan Wilson's idea. No way, Dan Wilson has
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: to carry out jar Dpota's wish on this. Dapota said,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: I got six healthy starters. I want to keep them
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: all starters, potentially trade one. See what the results are.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: But Dan Wilson, you figured out you manage the inside
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: dynamics of the clubhouse and the dugout. But here's what
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: we're doing. And Dan Wilson has zero experienced No man
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: manager in major league history has experienced this. But Dan
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Wilson has zero experience managing a major league team before
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: last year, and you're asking him to do this. That's
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: on de Poto and Hollander for putting us upon the manage.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Everyone says, oh, this is Dan Wilson. This dame was Dan.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: This was not Dan Wilson. Dan Wilson did not go
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: into Jerry to Pote's office and say we're doing this.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: We're gonna piggyback no one's ever done in Major league history,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: but we're gonna do it with my pitching step. No, no, no, no,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: that's not how this worked. And then you saw the
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: result of it and manager Dan Wilson had to deal
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: with Castillo and his outburst. I'm not sure what the
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: answer is, to be honest with you, but four nine,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: four or five one. We'll talk about it at eleven.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Thirty year feedback of the text line, the Takoma Dodge
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: text line on what you would do with this piggyback situation,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: we'll talk to Bob night Andingale eleven to talk about it.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Forty year baseball writer is he if he's ever seen it?
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Up? Next, you're here from coach Mike McDonald how he's
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: messaging the defense of the Seahawks Super Bowl championship to
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: his players. It's a new twist on Mike McDonald's coaching approach.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: That's next on ninety three point three KJRFM.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Greg Belt Show with Christopher Kidd.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Hopefully it's this beautiful, sunny, bright, cheery of a morning
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: as it is here in the Pacific Northwest for wherever
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: you might be listening in the iHeartRadio app or on
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: our website nine through three KJR dot com, or just
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: a good old fashion FM radio beautiful spring day here
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: in the Pacific Northwest. Why Christopher Kidd is born and
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: raised and loves it here and we'll never leave. These
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: are perfect days.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Actually, it's crazy to grow up here in travel places
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: but still be here and an opportunity like this on
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: sports Breid Let's that's pretty cool.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I don't take it for granted, so I'm lucky. That's
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: great way to look at it. Thank you. Yesterday it
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: was not sunny and beautiful and bright. It was raining.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: And Mike McDonald has a beautiful, glittering indoor practice facility
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: where the Seahawks just hung their second Super Bowl championship
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: banner with all the names of the players on the roster.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Forty nine of the fifty three of whom, by the way,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: are back on the roster for this year, which is
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: unbelievable in modern NFL. That's just we could do a
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: whole show just on that and how they pulled that off,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: including almost the entire starting defense, pretty much the entire
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: starting defense back from leading the league last year and
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: points allowed. So yeah, they were out in the rain,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: because that's how Mike McDonald rolls. They might as well
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: just close up that into practice facility. They'll use it
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: goot for interviews and the coach, since they won the
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl in February, has spent a lot of time
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: on planting, planning, how he's going to message to his
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: players this coming season, keeping it fresh, keeping it new
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: in this year of defending the title, and let's see
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: where complacency is all around the facility. How are they
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: going to battle complacency? How are they going to keep
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: this young, hungry team from just getting fat and happy
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: on winning the Super Bowl. Well, they aren't talking about
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: running it back. Here's what Mike McDonald had to say
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: about that, in particular, a bunch of other things.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: They've been great.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: We're using the term we want to run it forward,
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: it meaning our process and who we are. I think
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: this is going to be a conversation that, you know,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: something that we're going to talk about consistently. I don't
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: think it's a one and done type of conversation. Really,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: it's just how we talk about how we operate all
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: the time. We're having conversations with our team and our
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: units every day about who we want to be and
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: how we want to do things, and this situation is
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: no different. So it's really nothing more than or less
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: than that.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: He had a lot more to say about his messaging,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: in particular of why he chose the phrase run it forward.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: This is what he said.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: If you like it, I'll take credit for it.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: It's not somebody else.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: I think the common thread that you find is a
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: standard that you feel responsible to uphold on a daily basis.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: And part of that standard here is, you know, is
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: chasing edges. Is a spirit of evolution and a spirit
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: of moving forward all the time. So that's where our
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: minds are, you know, but giving us the freedom to
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: move forward and have the space to kind of make
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: each each kind of new phase of the year our
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: own and unique to us. So there's a balance there.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: But again, I've just been really pleased with every day's
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: work and having sensed an ounce of complacency and that's
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: been really positive. We don't avoid it. It's not really
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: the top of mind. There's necessary times to talk about it,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: like the ring ceremony. We know we'll party in that
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: night and having a great time and celebrating that team
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: and those people, but it's not really on our focus
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: right now.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: The way I phrase it the team is, you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: it's something that like could be a once in a
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: lifetime opportunity. Hopefully it's more than a once in a lifetime.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: For our team.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: But that's like a thing that happened that we can
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: cherish and we should be proud of because the amount
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: of work that it took and all the things that
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: go into winning a Super Bowl, we should we should
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: be really proud of that, you know. But I think
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: the thing that we find the joy in is what
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: we've created in like the way of life about what
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: we're trying to do here on a daily basis. And
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: if you think about last year's chain, I think you
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: guys would agree, like the cool part about last year's
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: team was the team and the process and the shadow
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: boxing and the you know, all the stuff that goes
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: with trying to become a great team every day and
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: so kind of put in two different boxes where they
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: don't have to be like enemies of one another.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: You know, the Super Bowl gave you a lot of
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: different opportunities this off season.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: They interact a lot of different people. Was there any.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Conversation or interaction that was either memorable for you or
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: just impactful.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: That you had this off season?
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Well, more people want to talk to me, which is unexpected.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: I've been blessed to meet some really cool people, and
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: I'll leave those conversations in private. But again, I feel
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: like I'm telling everything I told the team. But there's
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: things that doors are open because of what we did
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: and like that, and again that's really cool. But when
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: you're doing those things, you're like, Okay, this is great.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: But what I really love doing is coming to work
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: every day and doing football with our team. You know,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: That's that's what I really cherish. And so that's been
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: a main message of like what we're actually you know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: chasing and we're not looking for.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Like bells and whistles.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: We're looking to be a great football team.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Well that sounds like marked to a tea and we're
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: not looking for bells and whistles. Question he was asked
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: that had him saying we don't avoid it is do
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: you mention, do you bring up the fact we're Super
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Bowl champions or do you like is that taboo? You
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: just don't say it, And that's when he said, well,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: we're gonna have a ring ceremony. But this is the
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: challenge for a young coach and his third season ever
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: in the job at any level. They're still thirty eight
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: years just thirty eight years old. He's never been in
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: this experience before, a Super Bowl champion in charge of
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: the ship for the following season in how to set
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: that course. And he's got veteran players who, as I mentioned,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: ten of the eleven starters on defense are coming back.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Really ten of the eleven starters on offense if you
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: counted really the only front line starter not returning was
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker signing with the Chiefs. So that's twenty of
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: twenty two starters on offense and defense that just won
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. So you don't have to really talk
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: too much about that, hey we won the Super Bowl
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: or this taboo or not. They're still I mean, they
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: haven't gotten their rings yet. So yeah, it's but the
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: run it forward is about process and Mike McDonald's nothing
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: if he's not about process, and he talks about it,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: he lives it, he breathes it, and he thinks it,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: and he drills it into his players. When the process,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: the games will take care of itself. That is, basically,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: in a nutshell, Mike McDonald's leadership philosophy, and in fact,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: that's straight out of the Army training manual. I mean
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I've learned that second day after he got my head
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: shaved at West Point basic training. The process beats the
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: process makes the results, and if you're focused intently on
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: perfecting the process, the results will take care of themselves.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: And that basically is what McDonald has tried to do
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: here his first two years as the Seahawks head coach,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: to change the process to fit exactly what he wants
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: to do, and it worked, worked better than anyone could
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: have imagined them winning a Super Bowl in just two
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: seasons after uprooting the entire culture, and he did it
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: because of the brotherhood and the kid togetherness. So now,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: what is helping Chris in this whole process of not
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: of getting rid of the complacency I think.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Is you still have what is basically a young corps.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, you got DeMarcus Lawrence at thirty four
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: and Leonard Williams is going on to thirty three and
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Jared Reid at thirty three. But those are the anomalies
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: of this team. The basic bedrock stars are Jackson Smith
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: and Jigman his early twenties, Devin Witherspoon in his early twenties,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: also about to get resigned. Sam Darnold's not even out
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: of twenty eight yet, as your starting quarterback just won
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Your starting offensive line is returning intact,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: all under thirty in fact, all under twenty eight years old.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: You're starting offensive line. We haven't even talked about the
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: fact that all five starters are coming back on the
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: team that won the Super Bowl and a unit that
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: was an absolute mess for a decade in here. That
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: alone gives them ahead. Charles Cross talked about that yesterday,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: how we are so far ahead on the offensive line
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: of just being together and on the same page because
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: we all played together last year and we're coming back
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: in tact.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: But Chris, they are Ernest Jones.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Is twenty six, twenty seven, they are not even Their
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: main stars are so young that I'm not sure the complacency. Yeah,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: went in the Super Bowl, fat and happy and all that,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: but This is different than the Seahawks of twenty of
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: twenty fourteen coming off the Super Bowl, when you had
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Sherman and Chancellor and all those guys starting to head
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: into their second contracts and near in their thirties and
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: getting paid giant contracts like Earl Thomas, And this is
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: a different situation than that. I think the age is
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: really in their favor here, Chris, Oh.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're young.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: They are so open to Mike McDonald's messaging and how
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: he's delivered it because there's proof, right, you've seen it.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Best defense in the league. They all believe in one another.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: And I think when you look at the overall messaging
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: from the question about the Super Bowl and Mike n
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Dallas dating, yeah, we don't avoid it, but it's not.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Really at the top of their mind.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: And I think when you combine that overall message, it's simple,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: be happy, be proud of the championship, but do not
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: let the trophy become the new Seahawks identity. The identity
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: is in fact the standard that they do daily, whether
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: it's the worth ethic that produced that suer they won
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: last year. So when they all had that mindset, the
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: goal is obvious. Get back to the NFC Championship. Handle business,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: and we have a chance to win another super Bowl
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: in another NFC West rival rivalry's home, which would be
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: the Rams. So that is their mindset, stacking wins again
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: this season, building that helmet.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: What was it a pitch? What was it called? Thank you?
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: The total poll of helmets? Redoing that they're not looking
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: at last year like, oh this will be did last year?
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: No?
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: No, no, this season?
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: What will be going to do from week one until
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: the season ends, going to the postseason. So the messaging
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: has stayed the same, but he doesn't want the identity
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: to change. Doesn't want guys to get caught up in
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: the the words solid of repeat champions because yeah, obviously
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: the word is to repeat. But for them, it's that
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: worth work ethic that produced them to win that first
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl? Can they do it again? And it's going
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: to be met with more challenges. So I'm excited to
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: see what this team can do.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: The process and the togetherness is what he's trying to
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: replicate from last season. Up next, who's on the field
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: for the Seahawks during these voluntary OTAs? Two more of
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: them this week we'll talk about who's practicing, Who's not
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: and why that's next?
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: On ninety three point three kJ RFM.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Three point three kJ RFM from Elliott Bay in Seattle,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Happy Wednesday, May twenty seventh, to you Curly Memorial earlier
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Memorial Day then sometimes so it's not quite the end
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: of May yet another week or so, Christ before I
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: give back to the Seahawks. And who was on the
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: field yesterday for the starter OTAs? I wanted to ask
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: you real quick about the NBA and the Western Conference
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  Speaker 2: Finals Thunder Game five, and I am sure you watched it.
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  Speaker 2: Was it more flopping or was it? I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: hear and read and see. I don't know if social
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  Speaker 2: media is a good indicator, but a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: are ticked off with the Thunder.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, eighty percent of the Marsnic fans. How could
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  Speaker 3: you be met?
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  Speaker 1: Beat them? You don't like them?
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  Speaker 3: Beat them. It's kind of like the Lakers. Anybody hated
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  Speaker 3: the Lakers when it was shocking. Kobe, you hate them?
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  Speaker 1: What do you gotta do? You gotta beat them? So
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  Speaker 1: beat them? Do you think they play?
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  Speaker 3: I think SGA is the person that's able to create
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  Speaker 3: contact and deceive officials. But that's just one player, There's
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  Speaker 3: still there's four other guys on the court. If you
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  Speaker 3: want to stop them, beat them. I know that's very
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  Speaker 3: cliche and obvious, but you can beat this team. The
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  Speaker 3: Spurs have shown it. Victor Wimbyama was not aggressive that
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  Speaker 3: he's aggressive as he should have been. You've seen what
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  Speaker 3: an aggressive women Yama can do. It creates nightmares. Now
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  Speaker 3: they missed some open shots, they'll be in front of
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  Speaker 3: their home crowd. They probably won't miss hiss me.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so they have the formula to do it. Can
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  Speaker 3: you do it consistently? SG has been very consistent. He
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  Speaker 3: hasn't waivered from his ability to draw fouls. So why
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  Speaker 3: is this now a talking point? I don't know. They
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  Speaker 3: don't like him, and I get it. He's really good
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  Speaker 3: at getting to the foul line. I think he had
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  Speaker 3: thirteen free throw attempts and he he went twelve to
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  Speaker 3: thirteen last night. So he's effective. So you follow him.
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  Speaker 3: He's going to make his file shots. Victor is also
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  Speaker 3: able to get to the rim and get create fouls himself.
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  Speaker 1: Now does he flop?
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure you can find some replays of him snapping
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  Speaker 3: his head back. Because all players do it. SGA just
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  Speaker 3: benefits the most from it. He's really really good at it.
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  Speaker 3: Remember when James Harden had his reign of just good god,
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  Speaker 3: this guy's just flopping all the SGA has taken that
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  Speaker 3: to another level because he can also hit a jump shot,
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  Speaker 3: he gets the basket. He's doing it at all three levels.
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  Speaker 3: James Harden was just a three point specialist, and now
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  Speaker 3: he's finally finding that mid rage game. SGA has all
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  Speaker 3: of it, and that's just a nightmare. And he's able
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  Speaker 3: to create contact. Guys are bumping into him on an
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  Speaker 3: out of bounds play, Like, as a defender, you can't
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  Speaker 3: be found to dude forty feet away from the basket.
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  Speaker 3: I know you want to put pressure on him, but
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  Speaker 3: you gotta know who you're going up against. A guy
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  Speaker 3: that's mastered the ability to get bumped and fall. What
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  Speaker 3: do you thing's gonna happen. They're just gonna not blow
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  Speaker 3: their whistle. When there's contact, there's gonna usually be a foul. Contact,
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  Speaker 3: though there was a couple of plays in the Eastern
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  Speaker 3: Conference where I'm like, so, how was that not a foul?
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  Speaker 3: Oji and an Obi got destroyed on a dunk and
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  Speaker 3: there was no foul, Like, I was shocked that they
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  Speaker 3: didn't blow the whistle. So the consistency of the whistle, sure,
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  Speaker 3: that can be a discussion, But we're talking about one
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  Speaker 3: player here that is basically just dominated that aspect of
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  Speaker 3: the game. You cannot foul him forty feet away from
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  Speaker 3: the basket, like that has to be your key point.
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  Speaker 2: Tomorrow, we're gonna talk to Keith McPherson. He's a former
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  Speaker 2: wfan host in New York City is now hosts of
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  Speaker 2: Mike Jacks Sports Talk on streaming online. He's gonna have
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  Speaker 2: an opinion whether the Knicks can beat whoever, probably the
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  Speaker 2: thunder come out of the West. We'll talk to him
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow at eleven eleven o'clock. Today, Bob Nightingale, longtime senior
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  Speaker 2: columnist from Major League Baseball at USA Today, will join
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  Speaker 2: us at eleven. The Seahawks yesterday their first OTA practice
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  Speaker 2: of three this week, three next week, then the only
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  Speaker 2: mandatory event of the entire offseason, the Mini camp Mandatory
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  Speaker 2: Mini Camp June eight, nine, and ten, and that's it.
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  Speaker 1: They're off till the end of July.
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  Speaker 2: On the field yesterday at Seahawks voluntary OTAs and rents
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  Speaker 2: and Sam, Darnold Jackson, Spith the Jigma newly Vnted Smith,
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  Speaker 2: the wide receiver and offensive player that year in the
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  Speaker 2: NFL Cooper Cup. The entire starting offensive line returning intact,
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  Speaker 2: which I mentioned last segment. Rookie first round picked Jadarian
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  Speaker 2: Price was there. Leonard Williams, new Dad was there. Jonas
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  Speaker 2: Jones was there. So was Julian Love. So was Byron Murphy.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of new Dad, he said his daughter is growing
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  Speaker 2: by leaps and b We talked about that story, and
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  Speaker 2: I wrote about the News Tribune about the premature daughter
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  Speaker 2: that he and his now wife had. They got married
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  Speaker 2: this offseason. Born at two pounds during the season last year.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, just blew my mind. I talked to him
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  Speaker 2: throughout the season and he was a nervous wreck. He
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  Speaker 2: was spending every moment Byron Murphy was away from when
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't practicing her in film, he was at the
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  Speaker 2: hospital in the nick you for his little girl.
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  Speaker 1: Well now she's thriving.
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  Speaker 2: He says, she's fat and happy and great and healthy.
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  Speaker 2: And that's great news from Byron Murphy.
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  Speaker 1: Yesterday. A. J.
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  Speaker 2: Barner was there yesterday. The tight end did not practice.
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  Speaker 2: He had surgeries on his shoulder and ankled this off season.
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  Speaker 2: McDonald said, quote, he's itching to get out there, but
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  Speaker 2: we'll probably see him come training camp time.
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  Speaker 1: That's the end of July.
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  Speaker 2: Zach Sharbonay on his recovery from his torn ACL in January.
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  Speaker 2: Kenny McIntosh on his return from season ending knee injury
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  Speaker 2: last July.
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  Speaker 1: McDonald said, quote, we'll probably have a better idea as
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  Speaker 1: we circled back in July.
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  Speaker 2: There's a likelihood, I think likelihood that mcmcintosh will beget
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  Speaker 2: on the physically enable to perform list, and at least
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  Speaker 2: that for Charbonegy because he didn't have the injury an
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  Speaker 2: ACL tear until January, he may not come back until September.
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  Speaker 1: October.
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  Speaker 2: Tory Horton, new running back of Manuel Wilson, signed this
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  Speaker 2: offseason from Green Bay not practicing.
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  Speaker 1: This was what McDonald said about.
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  Speaker 4: That Manuel's got a personal thing going on right now,
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  Speaker 4: and Tory's made a lot of great strides. He's gonna
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  Speaker 4: seems like we've got some feedback that can really accelerate
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  Speaker 4: his recovery, which is great, and so he deserves some
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  Speaker 4: good news. He's been working really, really hard, and you
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  Speaker 4: know it's one of those things like you don't have
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  Speaker 4: a timetable until you do, and that just shows you
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  Speaker 4: got to just keep, you know, grinding away at it.
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  Speaker 4: And so good news back on Tory's front, which is
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  Speaker 4: really exciting.
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  Speaker 1: And again we'll have.
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  Speaker 4: A better feel for Tory as we enter training camp.
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  Speaker 2: He is McDonald's circumspect about injuries, but man, is he
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  Speaker 2: circumspected about Horton. We have good news, but we're not
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  Speaker 2: going to tell you what it is. He should be
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  Speaker 2: back by maybe training camp now. He did say at
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  Speaker 2: the beginning McDonald did the beginning of off season that
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  Speaker 2: and would be unlikely to be on the field during
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  Speaker 2: any of these spring practice And let's face it, you
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  Speaker 2: don't need a player on the field who's coming off
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  Speaker 2: of a surgery and injury to be on the field
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  Speaker 2: in May and June. That's not gonna determine anything toward
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  Speaker 2: his season. But the coach is indicating there that he
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  Speaker 2: got good news and it is due for Horton is
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  Speaker 2: due for good news. He has the most mysterious serious
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  Speaker 2: shin injury in the history of shins.
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  Speaker 1: They still haven't specified what it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's likely it had required surgery, he would not have
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  Speaker 2: been out from the first days of November until now
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  Speaker 2: through now. But it sounds like trending toward good for
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  Speaker 2: Tory Horton to be at least during summer training camp.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's a candidate for the pup list physically
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  Speaker 2: able to perform list. If you start on it to
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  Speaker 2: begin training camp, you can then start the regular season
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  Speaker 2: on it, and that gives your roster flexibility for guys
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  Speaker 2: you'm not sure we'll be ready for the start of
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  Speaker 2: the season if you start on. If you don't start
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  Speaker 2: on the pup list, you can come off at any time.
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  Speaker 2: I should say, let me let me rephrase that. If
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  Speaker 2: you start on the puplist training camp, you can't come
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  Speaker 2: off at any time. So it's not a sentence that
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  Speaker 2: you can't get on the field anytime in August, which
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  Speaker 2: is why teams like to do it for players who
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  Speaker 2: are on the CUSP, and oftentimes players are on the
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  Speaker 2: pup list to begin training camp and then within days
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  Speaker 2: of training camp beginning or on the field ready to go.
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  Speaker 2: While you're on the pup list, you cannot be on
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  Speaker 2: the field and participating in any way in any practices
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  Speaker 2: during training camp. It would not surprise me if that's
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  Speaker 2: where Horton starts. Perhaps Kenny McIntosh, who had his season
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  Speaker 2: enning knee injury last July, it would be at the
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  Speaker 2: twelve month mark at the start of training camp. The
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  Speaker 2: Marcus Lawrence we mentioned away from the team. McDonald said,
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  Speaker 2: he's doing his own thing and on track, and we're
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  Speaker 2: likely to see him here at some point soon. So
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  Speaker 2: the veteran thirty four years old is on his own
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  Speaker 2: plan and McDonald's okay with that, he has said. McDonald
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  Speaker 2: said McLawrence has told him he's coming back and coming
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  Speaker 2: off of a Pro Bowl season, winning his first Super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl at age thirty four. That the coach said, Lawrence
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  Speaker 2: has told him he's coming back, So, according to McDonald,
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  Speaker 2: no change there.
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  Speaker 1: Up next, back to baseball, Back to the Mariners.
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  Speaker 2: Bob Nightingale, senior columnist from Major League Baseball writing for
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  Speaker 2: USA Today, has seen a lot of baseball games in
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  Speaker 2: his forty plus years of cover and ball.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you he's ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: What the Mariners are trying to do with this piggybacking
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  Speaker 2: Luis Castillo and Brycemeller. Up next on ninety three point
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