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Red Sox FUMBLE Bregman · The 3-0 Take

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And gentlemen, welcome to the Three O Take, where we talk all
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things Major League Baseball. Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate
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Reyes. It all starts right now.
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Hello. Welcome back to the three O take
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presented by Chinook CD. This episode 589 I'll be your
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host Kyle Korn. I'm here with my Co host Nate
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Reyes. Nate, JB Casey.
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I don't. How are we?
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I I don't particularly like that I was last there.
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I got the first one. Yeah, what's that all about?
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I don't know, just trying to end with you.
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There. How are we?
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I asked the question. Been better, been better and.
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I don't even want to freaking hear it.
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Don't even want to freaking hear it.
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It's. Hey, you guys got Ryan Weathers.
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Yeah. I wanted to go with that not
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being mentioned on this episode. No disrespect, didn't even have
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it on the rundown for tonight so.
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I know, that's why I figured we could skip over it.
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Look, look, I truly, I mean no disrespect.
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We'll get into the main topics here, but super quick since
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we're on the subject. How in the world is Ryan
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Weathers? Again, no disrespect, I'm not.
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A big league player. For human living human beings.
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I don't know, man. I don't know.
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The Marlins want it. That's the first time they've
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won a trade since that's ever. That almost seemed like a a a
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pity move for the Marlins. Like here you go, here take.
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Yeah, I know you've been screwed over the last few years.
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Here's this. Insane speaking again, Speaking
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of getting screwed, the Sox, the Sox missed out on their guy and
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I would love to start with this. I've I've taken my shot at Nate,
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Josh, I believe over the last month at some point you
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indicated that there's no such thing as a bad one year deal.
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And I would just like I would like to look at the the Dom, I
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would like to look at the domino effect of this what turned out
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to be a one year deal because this sucks.
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OK, so let me set it up for you. You decided to go with a
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three-year deal. I didn't decide to go a
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three-year deal with you. You were on the Red Sox from the
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Red Sox to go with a three-year deal.
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What a show with an opt out after every year, right?
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And so essentially signed a one year.
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Now had they just signed a one year deal and you knew it was
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one year, that'd be one thing. You could go the route of the
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Pirates don't offer opt outs and don't get the players and you at
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least had him for a year little you could just not get him.
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Little did you know he was going to make that about the pirates.
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You didn't. See that?
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Hey, let's talk Alex Bregman. Yeah, so the Pittsburgh Pirates
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don't. Cry wolf to me about getting a
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player for a year. Unbelievable.
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Unbelievable. No, this isn't about the Red
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Sox. This is about the Cubs.
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Cubs A series of events though, that we need to get into because
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that is insane. Yeah, so, well, OK, fine.
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We'll start there. So.
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Show me your misery. Red Red Sox bring in Alex
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Bregman. OK, And then by which?
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Which, by the way, they did have Rafael Devers already, so that's
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a whole big thing. He got pissed.
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And then there's the whole I played turd.
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And then there was there was the drama that ensued from that.
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And then you think, oh, Alex Bregman might end up playing
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second base. And then Alex Bregman proceeds
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to take 0 ground balls at second base.
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Alex Bregman was the 3rd baseman from the jump.
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Right. They trade Rafael Devers to the
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San Francisco Giants. You're thinking, OK, then this
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is our guy. This is our guy.
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We'll, you know, we'll, we'll, they have to hopefully extend
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them. And then talks, talks continue
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and then they get pushed to the offseason.
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We'll talk maybe an extension in the offseason that didn't happen
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because you know why? You know who Alex Bregman's
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agent is? Never heard of him.
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Yeah, some guy was never going to discuss an extension, said
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we're going to free agency to get the offer that we should
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have gotten last year. Waits it out.
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We get to the point of free agency where the Red Sox think
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we got to sing the bag. He doesn't have any other
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serious suitors. We're just going to ride this
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thing out. In come the Cubs.
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They said how about 5175? And now he's a Chicago Cub.
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So if you're following that equation, one Alex Bregman plus
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the Chicago Cubs equals zero third baseman for the Red Sox.
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Yeah, it's tough. Look, dude, the whole it didn't
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sound like the money was that big of a deal.
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It was the no trade clause. The No trade.
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Clause to include that. Why I think?
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I you're expecting, you're asking me to explain the Red Sox
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front office front office motives.
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Carabas say Sale got one and Pedroia, I think Pedroia, I
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think those. But I mean, let's face it, those
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are two way long ago front offices.
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Let's not act like it's the same, you know what I mean?
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Well, I mean, you're still talking about the same ownership
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group. Who?
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Isn't. But I mean, they're, they're at
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least playing a role. In Are we holding our GM to that
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tight of a leash to not allow them to use that card?
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When it comes to, I don't want to say Bregman's a generational
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talent by any means, but it's definitely someone you can build
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an organization around. I don't know, man, I don't know.
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You don't have that shit that you can play then just be like
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I'm I only get one of. These it came down, it came down
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to the no trade clause and the defer and the structure of the
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deferrals. By the way, CHIT.
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Thanks. Yeah.
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I didn't want to have to mark this explicit, you know?
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Yeah. How much of the how much of the
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Rafi Devers trade had to do with the no trade clause?
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Like you're not signing there if you think, well, I'd see that
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they just trade their guys away. I mean, Bogarts was traded and
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and Devers was traded. If I'm going to sign here, I'm
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not going. To 100% And if we're looking in
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the mirror like what? How old was Rafi Devers when he
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had that, that big extension? Younger than Bregman now like
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13. And like, I, I, I'm not throwing
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shade at Bregman. I think he's a very good player.
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I, I think at that time, Rafi Devers is better than what
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Bregman is now. I think he brought more to the
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table now how Rafi has developed and you know what he's going to
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be, Is it a whole different story?
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But like, I would still probably argue that Rafi Devers is more
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valuable than Alex Bregman, so it's like I.
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Think he was 2020. 7. Yeah, Bregman's looking in the
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mirror and he's like, look, let's face it, I'm good, but I'm
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not. I'm not Rafi Devers and they're
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willing to trade a home grown guy like that.
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It's just right. Dude, I'm not trying to throw
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shade. It does make me excited.
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I do like it. I do enjoy it.
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The whole whatever this is, whatever this this whole
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dumpster fire situation is going, but it is like it's a
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head scratcher. This is a weird I this is one of
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the weirdest series of events of like roster configuration.
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That's like one of the biggest fumbles.
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They have done this with the star caliber player before.
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They did this with JD Martinez where they just waited it.
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They waited him out. They said we're calling your
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bluff. You've got nothing other than
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what we're offering you right now.
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And Dave Dombrowski is like, take it or leave it, buddy.
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And JD is like, all right, fine, I'll take it.
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And he ended up coming over and then, you know, that was that.
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I don't think you can play that same game, though, with Alex
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Bregman because you very clearly are aware of other like it's
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it's been made public. There are other teams that are
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lurking around the corner to acquire his services.
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And you tried, you tried getting cute with, you know, the no
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trade clause in the deferral structure and all that and it
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you got left with nothing. Well.
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What do we think of the fit in Chicago?
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Let's just get to that. I mean, I think it sucks for
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him, just the way his game plays.
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I, I think you would have been, you would have had it made in
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the shade if you would have stayed in, in Boston, stayed at
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Fenway. But now you go to a place where
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it quite literally comes down to which way the wind's blowing
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that day. Like it's, it's, I mean, what
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you have to see that coming. I mean, I guess if, if, if
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you're Alex Bragman, you've got a young family, you'll like the,
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you like the guaranteed money. And maybe you just let your, you
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know, statistical trajectory take a little bit of a hit, I
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guess, or stronger of a hit. I don't know.
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I don't know what that's going to end up looking like when it's
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all said and done. But maybe it just came down to
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the the the consistency of of knowing you're going to be
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there. They came down to the, you know,
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the money. They were willing to to bend,
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not break, but they're willing to bend where the Red Sox
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weren't. Maybe it was easier decision
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than than we think for him. Yeah.
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That's interesting. JB, can you do me a favor and
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and look up his fly ball rate? Yeah.
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So, well, I'll start with the expected home runs by park.
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Adjusted by park on on, Savant actually has three more home
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runs in Chicago than in Boston. So now those are every, you know
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what I'm saying? They don't play 162 at each
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park. Yeah.
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But that's. But the numbers actually, from
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where he's hitting it actually favor Wrigley Field a little
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bit. It doesn't.
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It can't count wind. Yeah, not accurately.
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So that point still remains. But I think Bregman's bigger
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than just home runs too. That's what I think.
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There's that's, you know, there's more than their.
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Fly ball rate because it's like a.
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Guy Pepper. Strikeout.
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The strikeout. Percentage is way down like he
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doesn't strike out very often. He's got bat to ball skills and
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you're kind of joining a lineup that is very similar to that,
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right? Like Nico Horner, very good bat
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to ball skills. You know, you have a, a PCA
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who's like transitioned his game to now focus on bat to ball
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skills and shortening up a little bit and Ian Hap and
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you've got like kind of an identity that I feel like is
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being created in Chicago that Alex Breven could fit into.
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That's why I was curious about the fly ball rate because it's
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like if he is a big fly ball hitter that I don't know.
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I'm it's, I think it's weird to see a very low strikeout
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percentage in a very high fly ball percentage.
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I feel like if you're low on strikeouts you're probably on
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the lower side of fly ball, but I could be wrong. 26.6 fly ball
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rate 23.3 line drive so but career 28.7.
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Seems like it's starting to fall and he's starting to kind of
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figure his game out a little bit.
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I I think it's an interesting fit.
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It's interesting what the whole like, you know, you know, Matt
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Shaw didn't necessarily like jump off the page, you know, a
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lot of a lot of build up around his name, but like didn't really
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do much and still kind of a question mark.
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I mentioned Nico Horner and like, I think it's, I've seen it
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come out that the asking price would be very high if he ended
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up getting moved. I kind of like it.
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I kind of like it. It's it's unique and I feel like
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they're starting to create an identity.
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Sort of goes without saying, but you lose you lose a little bit
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of leverage trying to move either one of those you guys now
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that you brought Bregman in because teams can see where
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you're at personalized and that you.
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For running, running through, running through Comets, Cubs
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fans love Nico Horner. I kept seeing like heart and
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soul of this team, like let's extend him and all of this kind
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of stuff and. If that makes sense.
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That could be the move and then Shaw's available.
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If not, then Shaw moves into that role and I think you keep
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them both. But also, if they have Nico and
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Dansby and Bregman, there's not an infield better.
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Yeah. Defensively, yeah, there's not
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an infield better. Well, that's where I saw like
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the Giants maybe be interested in in Nico Horner and then that
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that that infield would be better.
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But yeah, I I think it's interesting.
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I mean, they they have a lot of names and they've obviously
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added to pitching as well. So like, I kind of like what the
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Cubs are are starting to do in a division that is up for grabs.
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The Brewers won more games than anyone else last year.
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That's up for grabs. Cubs though, are your favorite
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for that division even though even though we're talking about
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ML BS Best record last. Year, I think if Freddie gets
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moved, yeah, I think if Freddie gets moved, it kind of just like
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it's it's another Josh Hader move in that mind, in that
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mindset or it's like, why why do the Brewers need to do that?
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And and they they look at this this asset that they have and
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they try to sell high and you're like, was it did it make sense?
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You just came off a really good year, like, I don't know.
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So if they move Freddy, which it sounds like it could happen.
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That, but they moved Burns, they got first place.
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They moved Hader, they got first place.
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They moved Craig Counsel, they got first place.
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I don't know what how? What do they do?
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Ball. They definitely play good ball.
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I hate him. I just, I like the I like the
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Cubs rotation and I like this ad.
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I've never seen a guy go more back and forth on the Brewers
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than Nate. I think he, I think the last
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place we left it was that he had finally come around on him and
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respected their game. But now it seems as though he's
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walking that back and said I like the Cubs.
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Mediocre at best. Shoving words in there, are you?
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Well, you did say the division was up for grabs and I they kind
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of steamrolled the league last year.
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Yeah. I Does that say more about the
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Brewers or does it say more about the lack of competitive
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competitiveness in the division? 03 Playoff team division.
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That's just the way it shook out.
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I'm not falling for that trap. Yeah.
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Yeah, what are we talking about? Come on, don't fall for that
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one. Thanks.
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Next. Well, we're talking pitching.
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Let's, let's keep it moving down the line here.
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Still talking about the Red Sox, Ranger Suarez in.
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You can't even call it a pivot move because it's not, it's not
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an infielder. You still have, you still have
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voids in the infield, specifically at 3rd and 2nd,
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which just an insane series of events.
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You came into the offseason saying you needed a big bat, you
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needed a number 2 and I think the assumption was that you were
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going to bring Alex Bregman back.
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Their first move was to get Sonny Gray.
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And we're sitting there going is that is that the number 2?
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Seemed like that was going to be the case.
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It wasn't until today when they signed Ranger Suarez to A5 year,
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$130 million deal, which seemingly came from the clouds.
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I thought he was going to Baltimore.
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I thought he was a lock for Baltimore.
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Seems like he made a lot of sense there.
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The Red Sox were just like, yeah, we money, we've got money,
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sure, let's spend some money. And they threw it at Ranger
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Suarez. I don't know where.
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And we'll get into this maybe a little bit here in a minute.
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I don't know where this leaves them in the Beau Bichette
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conversation prior to this deal they made with Ranger Suarez,
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AKA actually spending real American currency.
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I, I had no reason to believe, I had no faith that they would,
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you know, re divert the money towards a guy like Beau
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Bichette. This money that they, you know,
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they're able to get from, from the Devers situation.
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PR move Like what was this? I don't know.
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I, I don't want to, I, I'm hesitant to call it a panic move
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because I, I feel I, I'm a big Ranger Suarez guy.
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I like Ranger Suarez. I would have preferred 3, maybe
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four years. But I, I guess to, to get a guy
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like that, you got to push it to 5 because another guy where we
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know that there was multiple suitors.
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So it's not exactly like you wait that one out either.
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No, I'm just, I'm just saying I would have preferred a a a
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shorter, shorter deal. Sounds like an overpay.
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You're saying Same AAV? I mean, what does that come out
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to 5130? I mean, it's not, it's, it's not
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so much about the money. It's just about I would feel so
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confident in a three-year, three, maybe even 4 year deal
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looking very good. But 5 is when I don't.
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I just don't know. I don't know what that's going
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to look like when it's all said and done.
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Vienna 2, Vienna 2. By that point at the end of the
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contract, which you're saying, yeah, that's that's a nice 1-2.
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Three, though. Yeah, that's a nice 123.
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I think there's a lot of teams in this league that would be
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thrilled with that 123. It's a nice one through 5 right
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now. I mean, six and seven ain't bad
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either. Yeah.
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Are they going six man rotation or?
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Dude, I don't know. I don't know.
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I, I hope they, they offload somebody because right now it's
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looking out. It's it's crochet Gray or
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crochet Suarez Gray Oviedo or yeah, Baio Oviedo Oviedo.
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And then you got Connelly early in there as well.
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So and then Peyton Tolley is going to he's going to be, I
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don't know if he's going to be like a spot start guy this year,
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like a a second-half more consistent kind of guy, but
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who's really say. But All in all, it's been a
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roller coaster. What a stupid offseason.
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Strange, it got even stupider when?
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Well, that depends on who you ask, I guess.
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But maybe for Nolan Arenado. A breath of fresh air.
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Nolan Arenado getting shipped to Arizona, finally ending the saga
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that was Nolan Arenado's Cardinal tenure B Plus.
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Transition by the way. It's fine.
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It's not one of my best, but, you know, can't, can't win them
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all. Yeah.
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Yeah. But I would like to see you take
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over the transition game. Let's see.
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That's not what I do. I'll put you.
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I'll put you in that. In that.
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Seat you guys keep getting all your buttons that you get
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depressed you get the nice stuff where it connects to your
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lights. I you're you're lucky I'm here.
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You know that's. So that's well, I know.
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Yeah. So I know I'm a.
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Red Sox fan. Yeah, so let's talk.
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Nolan Arenado now going to be posting.
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Up. Show me how to do that.
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Going to be posting up in Arizona.
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Josh, you seem to have you seem to take issue with this move for
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what reason I'm not exactly sure.
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It seemed to me, based on your take, that you failed to take
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into consideration the human element here.
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It's not. Yeah, I'm not.
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It's. Not an attack.
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That's an observation. It's worth saying initial,
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initial thoughts were the the Cardinals just dumped a future
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Hall of Famer for $11 million. And I mean, for a guy who hasn't
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thrown a professional pitch yet and was drafted in the eighth
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round, so like it. That's what it seemed like, I
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think, but I'll let you make your point.
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I think I saw the Cardinals of between.
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What were the? Did they kick?
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It was Arnado Gray. And Who am I?
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Who am I? Missing here Wilson.
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Contreras, Wilson Contreras, Yeah.
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They kicked in money for him too.
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I thought it, I think I read it was like 59 million.
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Yeah. 59. Yeah.
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Arnado Gray Contreras. Yep.
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Did I also see that they have no players under contract beyond
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this season? What are we doing that can't be?
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Accurate. The Cardinals, when they hit the
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reset button, they do it faster than most teams and that's
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that's the annoying thing. This doesn't RIP off the
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Band-Aid, this is like just cut off a limb.
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This is insane. They don't care about the money.
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They've got the money. They're they're moving pieces.
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I mean, they're really going to rely on JJ Weatherholt this
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year. And I mean, I don't, I don't
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know. Can I see your future Hall of
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Famer take and raise you a, a Cody Bellinger?
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Take this to me, that to me, believe me, I'm a, I'm a big
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Nolan or an auto guy. Call him a future Hall of Famer
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gives me flashbacks to like as recently as this season,
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honestly, this offseason, because I'm still seeing the tag
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thrown around where it's like former MVP Cody Bellinger.
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It's like we're at a different stage of the game now.
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Like I don't I don't know if that tag necessarily matters
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right here, right now. It's like, it's almost, it's
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almost like, I mean, it, it's not the greatest example because
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he he actually threw well, but it's like, it's like having a
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gripe. If you pull Clayton Kershaw from
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a game too early, which happened many times.
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But it's like we're talking about a future Hall of Famer
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here. But it's like, yeah, but the
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guy's guy's like guy's like 80 years old.
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It's not, this isn't Clayton Kershaw of like 20, you know,
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age, age 25, you know what I mean?
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So it's like has his is his defensive ability still there?
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Yes, to the same degree. I I would have to look closer
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more closely at the numbers, but I would probably lean no, but
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still top tier defender. His offense has presumably
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regressed. So if you combine that with the
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fact that they've been shopping him for some time, there was
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there was bad blood there. I don't know if they ended up,
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you know, reconciling to to any degree or whatever, but they
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clearly didn't want him. There didn't really seem like
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Nolan wanted to be there. I, it just seemed like a when I,
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when I saw that I'm like, OK, I seems like all parties involved
24:59
can breathe now. Yeah, that's where the that's
25:02
where the take breaks down when you, like I said, the initial,
25:05
the initial thought was what are you doing?
25:08
I'm OK. Like I understand moving him.
25:10
I was blown away that it wasn't like that.
25:15
You did. It wasn't a different result.
25:16
It, it felt like, yeah, it felt like you were treating him a
25:19
certain way by saying like, dude, we only need to save
25:22
11,000,000 to get rid of you. And it's like, this is a guy who
25:28
is one of the one of the dudes from from, from the time he's
25:32
been here. But the part where that breaks
25:35
down is from Arenado's side. If he wanted out, what are you
25:39
going to do? It's not treating him anyway one
25:43
way or another if he's saying you got to Get Me Out of here.
25:46
Well, you also used the word earlier was leverage and if
25:50
they, I mean, they were shopping in for two years and it's
25:54
obvious that like the asking price wasn't met.
25:59
It's crazy to me that the asking price is now look, no
26:05
disrespect, nobody and and 75% of the money, whatever it was
26:14
like that's come on. I don't understand what the car.
26:20
I don't I don't get that. That's not, that's not anything
26:24
that's not competitive, it's not intelligent.
26:26
That's not good business. I don't know what it is.
26:30
And it to me, I feel like the asking price was probably higher
26:36
at last year's trade deadline and probably last year's
26:39
offseason. And then you, you waited too
26:42
long and it spoiled and you sold low.
26:48
This is and now there there are rumors about moving Brenda
26:51
Donovan too. And it's like, I don't what is
26:54
this team? What are what are we doing?
26:58
Why are we now moving? Why are we talking about moving
27:00
guys under control? I don't.
27:02
It's just strange. They they operate strangely.
27:06
They operated strangely with Ollie Marmol and in the whole
27:11
Wilson Contreras debacle, is is he a catcher?
27:13
Is he not? And then it's weird of like,
27:16
you're immediately shopping, you know, Goldie and and Arenado.
27:21
And then it's this strange action with Jordan Walker, like,
27:25
is he 1/3 baseman? Is he an outfielder?
27:27
Let's bring him up. Let's bring him down.
27:28
Let's send him down. When he's succeeding it, it's
27:31
weirdo activity. I don't like anything happening
27:35
in Saint Louis, and to burn it down and start over at a loss,
27:42
at a massive loss with nothing coming back in return is so
27:46
strange. Makes no sense.
27:48
And the Diamondbacks infield, by the way, is loaded with talent.
27:53
You couldn't get one of those names back.
27:56
You couldn't get Jordan Waller in return.
27:58
You couldn't get Blaise Alexander in return like I don't
28:02
I There's nothing that you're wanting to get back.
28:05
You're kicking in 30 + 1,000,000.
28:08
What are we doing? I think that's not competing.
28:12
I think 5 million of that is still being paid by Colorado.
28:17
Now that's another dumpster fire I don't want to address.
28:21
Speaking of Colorado, let's talk about Bichette.
28:24
And I'm not I'm not talking about his dad fancy.
28:28
We're talking about Bo. That's an A minus.
28:31
Bo knows going back to what we were saying earlier about this
28:36
possibly being a name that could end up in Boston.
28:40
Can't, can't say at this point that I I see that being the end
28:44
results, but has been has been floated around.
28:49
It seems like Philly is the is the move there.
28:54
And I, I said to you guys before earlier today where I was like,
28:58
I'm finally giving in to talking about some of these rumors that
29:01
we're that we're hearing. And I got to say a little pat,
29:04
pat myself on the back. I feel like I did a pretty good
29:07
job at holding off until we got to a point in the offseason
29:10
where we're looking at a couple names in Beau Bouchet and Kyle
29:13
Tucker where it's got to be a matter of days.
29:17
And that's the only reason I really wanted to bring up either
29:20
of those names is because I feel like the list of teams for both
29:26
we've we've dwindled it down to the who's really truly left at
29:32
the table wanting to make a move here.
29:34
And I think for Boba Shet, that involves the Phillies.
29:40
And I guess for the sake of, you know, conversation, I'll include
29:46
the Red Sox. That's kind of seems like that's
29:51
kind of it. It's always a mystery team.
29:58
Yeah, I mean, we didn't talk about it, but like the Padres
30:01
were super in on on Nolan Arenado.
30:06
Like that was like a big, I mean, they, they tried hard for
30:10
that. So it's like, are they the
30:11
mystery team or are they? And they're going to make them a
30:13
first baseman, too. Yeah.
30:15
Like are they thinking of something a little bit
30:17
different, a little bit weird? I don't know.
30:21
Who's his second for them now? Nice, Kim.
30:29
No, he's in. He's in Atlanta.
30:32
Is Xander back to short full time?
30:34
Like that's a full on thing. Think so, Cronenworth back to
30:38
second? Or is he saying well?
30:39
Cronenworth was at first. You're right though, there is
30:42
somebody at 2nd. I'm not blanking.
30:46
Him. Gosh.
30:48
I, I no, it is Cronenworth arises it is it?
30:52
Arises free agent. Free agent?
30:53
I thought they plugged first somewhere else though.
30:55
True, True. True.
30:57
I don't know. I'll get it.
30:59
Give me an interesting name, I'll get it.
31:02
They're an interesting place. I should.
31:03
Say I don't. I don't think there's a mystery.
31:05
Team here. No, I, I.
31:08
Sung mung song? Sure.
31:11
Sung. Yeah.
31:11
Moon Song. I would love Bo and Philly.
31:15
I mean, I'd love him in Boston too.
31:17
That'd be that goes back to the point I was saying earlier this
31:20
offseason where I'm like, figure out places if you're, if you are
31:25
the Phillies, figure out where you can hit the reset button,
31:29
freshen things up a little bit, get new blood coming into 2026
31:35
and go for it again. You don't need to completely
31:38
level it to the ground. You don't need to be shipping
31:41
Bryce out of town. Like I saw fit.
31:42
Some Philly fans calling for insane, a guy like Cassianos.
31:46
OK, it's been fun. Here's the door.
31:50
You have to kick in money to move him.
31:52
Bring in a guy like Bo, you're still in great shape for this
31:58
season. You're still going to be a
31:59
contender in October. But what I was wondering is, are
32:04
they that different than where the Yankees are?
32:09
Like, is Bryson Stott now a platoon guy?
32:12
Do they move him right? The same thing for the Yankees.
32:16
Is well, no, he. Was he has.
32:18
He put he played third. So balm.
32:23
That's why I'm saying it's. The same ball would have to get
32:24
shipped. Out the Yankees would have to
32:26
move jazz, the Phillies would have to move balm.
32:29
I don't think it's that far off. I know there's a little bit
32:32
extra fluff, the fact that Don donning Donny baseball is now
32:36
the the bench coach there in Philly and there's a little bit
32:39
of ties there. But like it is I I don't know
32:47
where the Yankees are at because I can't really tell.
32:49
It seems like a big trade is coming because they're loading
32:51
up on pitching. But the Phillies outside of
32:56
vibes, I don't it's it's an interesting move because it has
33:02
to be followed or predicated with a move.
33:08
Well, Boehm only has one year left.
33:09
Kind of like the Nico Horner situation, except it's not the
33:12
lifeblood, not the organization. So.
33:17
Yeah. And Stott's probably the best
33:21
fielder of that infield. I guess there's a there's a
33:25
scenario where Stott goes to 3rd.
33:27
Yeah. And and Bo goes to 2nd just
33:30
because of that if if that's just depends on what?
33:33
They want to athlete. That's what I was saying is that
33:35
like it's, it's interesting because now you're talking about
33:38
two guys finding 2 new positions.
33:40
Bohm would be the guy to go. I think it's.
33:42
I think it's that simple. Yeah.
33:45
We already know he's been looking, they've been looking to
33:48
move him. Yeah.
33:50
He's been on the block this this would come as no surprise if
33:53
they decided to move him. You don't know how much I hear
33:56
that. He's been on a block.
34:00
Well, no. Every show I hear that it's
34:03
coming, that we're going after Bo.
34:07
It's. Fans, fans wise, not not the.
34:10
Pirates. Oh yeah.
34:11
Oh, the Pirates fans. I'm not saying that's a like
34:15
Pirates fans are convinced it's over.
34:18
I didn't know what scenes were talking about.
34:19
I'm. Like sorry, sorry pirates.
34:22
Yeah, it's no, it's. Ridiculous.
34:24
That's all I hear. That's fantastic.
34:26
I'm as you know, I'm a big, I'm a big Pirates guy.
34:30
Let's talk, let's talk. Kyle Tucker, another name is
34:34
that's floating out there that we've alluded to.
34:37
Seems as though the Mets have been the latest team to make
34:43
some noise there. They have offered a short term
34:45
deal worth about 50 million per year.
34:53
I think I said it yesterday when this news broke or I think, I
34:56
think I said this whenever the news broke.
34:59
There's been aggressive and overpaying for a guy that has
35:05
multiple suitors that you need to get.
35:08
And then there's being stupid, and this is being stupid. 50
35:15
million, I don't care how many years, one years, two years,
35:18
three years, $50 million for Kyle Tucker.
35:22
I feel like they came in and just completely ruined the
35:24
market because we've we've heard about the possibility of a
35:28
shorter term, higher AAV deal. And then it's like, what is
35:32
this? No one's going to do this.
35:34
No one else is going to do this. This is a full on desperation
35:37
move and it's reckless. It's dumb.
35:40
You have plenty of other holes that you need to plug and you
35:42
didn't. And let's let's put another
35:47
lefty behind Soto who plays the same position.
35:50
Yeah, you can move in the left, but it's like a strange, strange
35:55
activity. And you threw a number out there
35:58
that I don't think anyone else is going to mess with.
36:02
So I could see it happening. I can see him being a MET.
36:09
I mean, it's not like they, I don't know, it's it's not as if
36:14
the Mets have to blow it up. And it's not that.
36:18
I'm not saying that that's what they've done to this point.
36:20
But like you said, there are holes that still exist.
36:25
And I just don't know if if throwing a stupid, simply stupid
36:31
amount of money at Kyle Tucker is going to fix what is really a
36:36
a bigger issue of having multiple, let's just call it
36:42
weak spots around the diamond. Big time, big time weak.
36:48
Not to mention you have no pitching.
36:52
You get the sense that they feel they have to do it to convince
36:56
somebody to get in there. I mean, do they feel like I
37:00
mean. I'm just they think of the.
37:04
Think of the Alonzo stuff. Do people not want to be there?
37:10
It's weird because it's like, why not spend a little bit of
37:14
that money that you're now offering towards Pete, who's
37:16
proven in your market, who's a stat leader amongst your
37:23
franchise and who's right-handed and who plays first base.
37:29
It's like I that makes more sense.
37:32
I don't, I don't know. I don't understand the break up
37:35
there to then pivot towards something that doesn't make
37:41
sense as far as roster configuration.
37:46
Odd typical mats. I don't, I don't know.
37:50
I don't know what other thing to say about them anymore.
37:54
I think there's plenty of pictures out there you could
37:55
have snagged by now, by the way. I think this is what we wanted
37:59
when Steve Cohen came to town. I think we said, all right,
38:04
finally we've got an owner that's just going to come in and
38:06
just throw stupid money at the team, see what sticks, and then
38:12
just roll out as as strong of a team of superstars as as he can.
38:16
And he, he, he got there like not even really to the level of
38:21
the Dodgers, but he got the team to a point where it's like this
38:25
team has to do something they didn't.
38:29
And I just, I just wonder if if they've learned to adjust yet or
38:33
if it's still the philosophy that, well, let's just throw
38:35
money at, at whoever it is that we want or if we have to pivot,
38:39
we'll, we'll, we'll double down. They're pushing their chips in
38:44
the middle of the table at awkward times.
38:48
It's just doesn't, it doesn't make sense.
38:51
Like you're doing it at weird times and you're not doing it in
38:54
a coordinated way. I get it.
38:58
If you're like, you know what, let's bring Pete back.
39:01
Let's go get Framber Ranger before Ranger signed and then
39:07
let's go make a trade. And like all the sudden you just
39:10
had like a semi intelligent pushing of chips in the middle
39:16
of the table in the same offseason.
39:19
And now you're just doing like one big, I'm going all in every
39:23
offseason and it's aimless and it is slowly building what
39:31
you're trying to build instead of just like making strategic
39:34
moves. Does that make sense?
39:38
Yeah, you know, it doesn't make sense.
39:45
The Tigers countering in this Terex Google arbitration at $19
39:50
million. Look, I've, I've really spent
39:57
the last few days trying to wrap my head around the, the, the
40:01
reality. What is reality?
40:04
That the Tigers will have to sit in the same room as the
40:10
back-to-back Cy Young winner in Terek Schuble and explain why
40:20
he's not worth the money that he's requesting?
40:28
And I haven't made sense of it yet.
40:30
Yeah, I don't know. I.
40:34
Don't know? Talk about what burn?
40:35
A bridge like in the middle of it being built.
40:39
I've heard our guy, our guy Dallas friend of the pod he was
40:43
talking about or he I think he was involved in a conversation.
40:48
I don't know if he necessarily took the stance, but I, I heard
40:50
him in a conversation talking about how this is the Tigers
40:55
trying to preserve the, the arbitration process and not not
41:00
necessarily just blowing it up over one player.
41:03
Because once you set, once you sort of open up this box, you
41:08
can't put it back. Because really what the
41:11
ultimately what they're trying to do is they're trying to top
41:13
Soto's 31 million record for arbitration by going 32.
41:18
It's just what they, they, they came in with.
41:22
And the Tigers, like I said, countered at 19,000,000.
41:28
I just don't know if this is the guy that I'm, I'm trying to, you
41:34
know. Countering at 19 is like a this
41:38
a decision you made a decision to be $12 million off, a
41:44
decision was certainly made. You didn't counter at 25, you
41:49
encounter at 27. You countered at 19.
41:55
He's as good as gone for the. Record.
41:56
I'm not sure that that's. How that works?
41:58
Don't say that. What I I don't think, I think
42:03
that each each the club and the players submit their submit
42:07
their numbers. Blindly.
42:09
Yeah, I don't think that it's it's a counter.
42:11
It's. Yeah, but there's we.
42:13
Can't come to terms. I'm submitting a number, you're
42:15
submitting a number. They still can settle.
42:18
I think there's. A.
42:19
There's a conversation before those are submitted though,
42:22
right? Sure.
42:23
And and they could disclose what they're going to say.
42:26
Yeah. But for the Tigers, just to play
42:29
devil's advocate and then you guys, you know, I'll let you
42:31
cook here. But it it that's still a a
42:34
record arbitration number for a pitcher.
42:36
Soto had a fourth year of arbitration.
42:38
This is only Scuba's third. It's still the second largest
42:43
increase like Rays in arbitration.
42:45
Degrom got 9 something million of a of an increase.
42:49
This is 8.85. So like the Tigers are still
42:53
doing like a lot in this as far as what they could defend.
43:00
But it's, you know, like I said, you when you get that fourth
43:04
year of arbitration, you, you can push it farther than that.
43:07
Soto's third year of arbitration was 17,000,000, so this would be
43:11
even higher than that if you consider third year I I don't
43:15
know that this is an easy decision for for an arbiter to
43:17
make because of those sort of things.
43:21
Yeah. But what's funny is that, like,
43:22
the keyword you said was defend. And it's the fact that, like,
43:25
for those who don't know, this is actually done in court and
43:29
there's actual lawyers. And you're talking about a
43:32
Tiger's lawyer who's needing to argue against Terek School
43:38
putting up back-to-back cycles. He's going to have to bring up
43:40
three years ago. Good luck.
43:42
Yeah. Like you have nothing.
43:43
You have no material here. I don't know what you're going
43:46
to say. I have no idea what you're going
43:48
to say. Dumb.
43:52
Who's freaking out more? The Tigers.
43:56
You know what I'm saying? Like if you want to settle who's
43:59
freaking out more right now, if they lose, they pay out $30
44:03
million, they're going to be more motivated to come to an
44:05
agreement before that hearing then Scubal, who will still make
44:09
19,000,000 and be fine. Yeah, tigers are squirming.
44:16
It won't matter. He's not going to be there.
44:18
Yeah, he's going to be a Dodger. Stop.
44:23
You know who's not going to be a Dodger or probably a member of
44:26
any other team because I think this is the end of the road.
44:28
Max Keppler PED suspension 80 game suspension Tested positive
44:35
for epitrembolone nailed it. He is a free agent.
44:47
Some other some other notes here.
44:49
Will be ineligible for the 2026 postseason regardless of if or
44:54
when he signs coming off a year in which he hit 216 as a platoon
45:00
outfielder. So look, if this is, you know,
45:06
this is see ya, what exists on the on the sauce on the juice.
45:13
I don't. I don't.
45:15
See ya. Not particularly sure what what
45:19
the, what teams are thinking. They're going to get off, you
45:21
know. I don't know what to say.
45:31
I don't. I guess, I guess, well, I won't
45:34
say every player, but I guess players such as Max Kepler get
45:38
to a get to a point, they make a decision, they say is this worth
45:44
the risk? Will it even pan out?
45:49
Will it even end up the way I'm hoping?
45:51
Can I go further down from here? I just hit 216.
45:58
Yeah, I just hit 216. What can I do this offseason to
46:02
try to get back, see if I could get it out of my system before
46:05
the spring? We've seen this happen in the
46:07
offseason a ton. It's a shame, but it was he done
46:11
before this too. Probably.
46:14
Was this the last ditch effort? I mean, he maybe could have
46:20
signed on as just like a, a depth guy, but I I wouldn't have
46:24
counted on it. I wouldn't have put any money
46:26
down on it, but. Yeah.
46:29
Sucks. It's probably end of the road.
46:32
See you dude. Twin legend.
46:36
Speaking of, Twin legend Byron Buxton has agreed to join Team
46:42
USA for the World Baseball Classic.
46:44
You can also add Ernie Clement. Like, enter our faces on Dwyane
46:49
Wade and LeBron James. Alley oop right there.
46:52
That was completely set up for you.
46:57
Very cool. Did that, LeBron.
46:59
Did that. The reference hurt you a little
47:01
bit. You don't care about basketball,
47:04
do you? You dropped your pen, so I
47:05
wasn't. Sure.
47:06
Oh no, I just dropped it. No.
47:08
Guy just likes to drop his pen. I don't know.
47:10
If that was like a, like a. Cleveland freak out or anything?
47:14
Nope. No.
47:15
So anyway, Byron Buxton and Ernie Clements have agreed to
47:19
play for team, you say. And that's, I mean that's,
47:23
that's our, that's our bench, that's our depth, that's.
47:26
Our bench suck at Japan. Well, let's get to the let's get
47:31
to Miami first. We're going.
47:36
The whole squad is there rooting them on.
47:39
We're going. What are you talking about?
47:42
We're going whole squad +3 right here.
47:47
We're going to Houston, we're going to root them on.
47:50
I said Miami. We got to get to Miami, which is
47:52
where we would see. Japan getting, they're getting
47:54
to Miami, no problem. I'm already past that mentally
47:57
and past that. OK.
47:59
Brazil, Great Britain, What are we doing?
48:11
You see Griffin Jacks, too. Griffin, Jacks and Gabe.
48:16
Spire. Gabe Spire.
48:18
You know him. You love him.
48:19
Well, did you see the Griffin Jacks thing though?
48:22
He's actually a captain in the US Air Force Reserves.
48:26
Who's this Griffin Jacks? I did know that.
48:29
Well, I've couldn't. I wouldn't have told you it was
48:31
right, but I but I knew. I knew his association.
48:35
Yeah. I thought that was really cool.
48:37
Yeah, that's big. That's huge.
48:40
I like that. It's good for the clubhouse.
48:44
Good for morale. Just an occasional pinch run.
48:49
We don't even need him. Do we have PCA and Corbin
48:52
Carroll? What?
48:53
What is Byron Buxton going to do?
48:56
He's going to play against Venezuela.
48:58
That's what he's going to do. Brazil and Venezuela, he's going
49:00
to get his starts there. Who are you talking about?
49:04
Griffin Jax is the pitcher. Byron Buxton, that's.
49:07
What I just said, Buxton. You got I'm You're all over the
49:09
place, dude. You're talking.
49:11
You brought him up. You said you're talking about
49:13
like pinch run. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
49:16
Yeah, we're talking Griffin, Jax because of the the.
49:19
The. Reserves and then you're like,
49:21
they get a pinch run. Was Byron Buxton fair enough?
49:26
What are we going to do? What I mean is we're loaded.
49:33
Yeah, he'll get Indians like 5 through 9 against, yeah, Italy
49:37
and Brazil and Great Britain probably it'll, I don't know.
49:42
We don't have Venezuela, do we? No, no, that was that was last
49:46
2023. Look, no disrespects, but, and
49:54
maybe I'm maybe I'm way over thinking this, are we just
49:58
automatically granting the center field roll to PCA?
50:09
Yeah, I mean, I know, I I know the the hype is there.
50:13
I know the first half of last year was there, but we're also
50:18
talking about Byron. Caution around Byron Buxton,
50:20
Sure, and I'm not I'm. Would not be surprised if PCA
50:25
gets 98% of the innings in. Corbin Carroll can play
50:29
centerfield. Corbin Carroll.
50:31
OK, so Corbin Carroll is going to be playing centerfield.
50:34
What am I talking about? Aaron Judge is going to be in,
50:37
right? But didn't we have?
50:42
Was Carroll late? Why do I feel like I've seen
50:46
mocked mock lineups with PCA in the in the lineup was was Carol
50:51
a late ad and maybe he? I thought they joined right
50:55
around the same time. Did he a thought?
51:00
I don't know why I've seen PCA and and certain line UPS, but
51:06
yeah, no, you're right. Either way.
51:08
Either way, Buxton's on her bench, which is silly.
51:13
Yeah, any who's. We've no holes.
51:16
That's the that's reality. We have no holes.
51:21
Not a one. Not one hole coming for that
51:27
ass, Japan. All right, this this
51:30
conversation is getting real weird.
51:31
The holes. Yeah, No, you made.
51:36
It weird you you made it. Weird.
51:38
Oh, don't act like you didn't do that on purpose.
51:40
Relax. It's.
51:41
Time for trivia. Nope, it's time for.
51:50
It's on here somewhere. Hit the button.
51:55
It's time for. Murray's Question of the Week.
52:00
Murray's question of Murray's Question of the Week.
52:05
Murray wants to know what is our weird irrational fear?
52:13
And Josh apparently had to look this up because I guess he's
52:16
never heard the phrase irrational fear before.
52:19
I. Appreciated the look up though.
52:21
Thank you. That's fair.
52:23
I want to make sure that I don't say something stupid.
52:25
Sure. Yeah, Well, yeah, you did send
52:28
us the the the Google definition of it.
52:32
And then I was starting to second guess myself.
52:34
I'm like, wait, do I actually even know what a an irrational
52:37
fear is? So, yeah, and what it did was
52:39
it, it moved it into a phobia, which made it, I was like, well,
52:43
OK, this is easy. Bees, I'm allergic to bees.
52:47
I'm I'm afraid of bees because I'm allergic to them.
52:50
So I put that in and I was like, da da, da, da.
52:53
And I'm, you know, little copilot chat.
52:56
Copilot comes back and says if you're allergic, that's not
52:59
irrational. Yeah, Copilot says you're an.
53:02
Easy. I'm like, oh, copilot, thanks.
53:03
No, I'm kidding. Totally rational.
53:08
I like bees, no? You don't.
53:11
Who says that What other than an apiarist?
53:14
It's funny, it's funny. I have dumped an entire energy
53:17
drink on Katie when I thought there was a bee in the car.
53:20
It was a butterfly, but I threw that anyway.
53:26
Listen, I'll keep it baseball specific here.
53:28
I'll keep it baseball specific. Acrophobia.
53:31
We would actually prefer that you not.
53:33
That's all right. Fear of heights.
53:36
It's not like I'm getting panic, panic attacks and all that
53:39
stuff. I get nervous around heights
53:41
looking over a a shopping mall but.
53:44
How irrational is that? Yeah, but that's what I'm
53:46
saying. Like these are just fears
53:48
because that's. Yeah, but here's the thing.
53:51
Because I would tell you that my worst fear is deep, dark water,
53:54
but that's not irrational because you can literally die.
53:57
Yeah, there's stuff in there. There's stuff in there you could
54:00
get eaten, you could fall overboard.
54:02
People, believe it or not, people have died in deep dark
54:05
water like they're Yeah, there's proof.
54:08
Not irrational. Not irrational.
54:09
So I can't go to a baseball game without thinking about it.
54:13
Foul ball, second deck. I'm thinking, gosh, I hope
54:17
nobody falls. Oh, so when we go to the WBC in
54:21
Houston? We couldn't just sit in row A,
54:24
We can't sit in row A. You're going to be stand you're.
54:26
Going to be walking around the concourse for 9 innings.
54:29
I won't stand. I'll just be sitting there like
54:33
I'll want to and then I'll be like it's too close.
54:37
Nate and I are gonna sit on either side of you.
54:40
No, we're gonna sit on either side of him and just grab him
54:42
just randomly throughout the game.
54:44
Just yeah. So the next thing is like, I, I
54:46
do this right? And then I think every time,
54:48
like nobody's falling. And then?
54:51
Pittsburgh went. Nuts this year guy fell off the
54:54
Clementi wall at Akershire stadium, but where the Steelers
54:58
play 2 guys fell off things one of them was a cameraman who they
55:02
fell off of the. That's Heinz.
55:04
And that, yeah, you're right, it is.
55:06
I was trying to be good about it, but it's definitely Heinz
55:09
Feld and then. Heinz Feld yes.
55:13
And then it's a. It's a.
55:14
Penguins game, a guy fell off the second deck down into the
55:18
first all this year. Maybe it's not irrational.
55:22
Fully rational. I mean, we don't, we didn't.
55:25
Haven't even gotten into Josh Hamilton and that story.
55:27
I mean, I mean, sad stories all over the place.
55:30
I don't have an answer for this. I don't.
55:32
Really. So let's get rid of.
55:33
Let's get rid of the. Irrational 1 maybe?
55:35
No, no, no, no, I've got. One answer and I don't know how.
55:38
I don't know. OK, an example of a fear it is.
55:40
I'm going to look some up but one just came to mind.
55:43
Because it's stupid which makes it irrational.
55:45
It's like an irrational fear. An example of irrational fear
55:48
would be like having a fear of falling into the toilet while
55:52
you're going to the bathroom. That sounds that's true.
55:54
Extremely irrational. A snake coming out of the
55:57
toilet. That is, that's big for me.
56:01
That's big. Yeah.
56:02
I, I, I think of that often. You're going to pencil that one
56:05
in? No, but it's a great.
56:07
That's a great example and and one I've experienced personally.
56:11
You got to peek sometimes. What do you got there?
56:15
Guarantee you there have been snakes that have come up through
56:18
the toilet. I, I believe it, I'll skip mine.
56:21
I'll just clear the deck here. The only thing I could think of
56:26
is like if I order a a chicken sandwich and I bite into it and
56:31
it's just cold pink raw in the middle of it.
56:35
This is so weird. This is and that's like I'm not,
56:38
I'm I'm going to my first bite into a a chicken sandwich that I
56:42
order is typically a smaller bite.
56:44
Again, not an irrational fear. That's a very normal thing to be
56:49
concerned about, given the like, potential illness that could
56:52
come from it. That seems rather rational.
56:55
All right, all. Right, all right.
56:57
And irrational fear would be biting into the chicken sandwich
57:00
and it exploding like that's, that's an irrational fear.
57:04
So it's made-up. It's a made-up fear.
57:06
Right. No, I would think that.
57:08
It's called irrational for a reason.
57:10
Yeah, I would think that every single time you bite into a
57:13
chicken sandwich, like I'll give you that, like that does feel
57:16
because you don't want to be like that.
57:19
But. That's just eat a chicken
57:20
sandwich and let it. Yeah, exactly.
57:22
That's OCD at that point. But that's what I'm saying, like
57:26
every time there's a foul ball, I'm thinking, please don't.
57:32
That's where the come, That's where it becomes irrational in
57:34
my opinion. But like not like the way that
57:36
you look up definitions because it's like if you bust into cold
57:40
sweats and have panic attacks for it.
57:42
Like I'm I don't have anything like that.
57:48
Having to give a presentation at work that you're not prepared
57:50
for. Yeah, that's everyone.
57:54
And I don't give presentations, but I'm.
57:57
Yeah, but again, public speaking, it's been the data
58:00
shows. I don't understand the
58:02
qualifications. The data shows that people would
58:06
rather die than public. Speaking than name 1.
58:09
I'm dead serious. I'm not even making that up.
58:11
That is a phobia. Right, not even making that up.
58:14
Yes, what do you have? I honestly, I mean, I, it's,
58:19
it's like pretty rational fear, but it, the odds of it happening
58:22
are so small. But I I guess I could pencil in
58:25
the snake coming up the toilet hole.
58:28
Oh, I got one, I got one, I got one, I got 1.
58:30
OK, what do you got? I got.
58:31
I got one. I got one.
58:33
Someone living in your attic and you're not knowing.
58:37
Oh, OK. But are you just thinking of
58:39
this or is this something that you actually?
58:42
This is something I thought about one time because like, not
58:44
one time. It's sometimes I'm like laying
58:47
in bed and I hear a little crickle crackle up above me and
58:50
I'm like. We got to ask Paige how many
58:53
times, he said. He's up there.
58:55
He's up there right now. She.
58:56
Calls me, she calls me autistic 'cause she's like, you're so
58:59
weird with sounds. She's like you hear every little
59:02
sound everywhere. And I'm like, yeah, I
59:05
something's living up there, are there?
59:07
If it's a human. Are there squirrels in Chandler,
59:10
AZ? Not a big, not a big squirrel
59:13
population. I mean, do you have any?
59:16
Like, have you seen a squirrel out?
59:18
There, if anything's living up there, it's one of those like
59:20
the what's the the not the good doves, but like the pigeon type
59:25
doves. I think.
59:28
I think they're just called pigeons.
59:30
No, no, there's some. You just named two birds.
59:34
I think you're. Talking about, but there's one
59:35
that looks like, there's like a dove.
59:37
There's like a dove that looks like a pigeon, but it's
59:39
technically a dove. It's like a mourning dove.
59:43
Sure, they're aggressive in our neighborhood.
59:46
Rock Dove. No, that doesn't check.
59:49
Anymore I just looked up that could be.
59:51
That could be living in my attic.
59:53
So if it makes me fearful a little because I'm laying there
59:57
and you know, there's curriculum and crack.
59:59
Yeah, he could eat you. He could fly down and eat you.
1:00:02
And. Carry you away not.
1:00:03
Feed you to his babies. Typically it's just something
1:00:06
living up there that I don't know about.
1:00:09
And I'm like, what are you doing up there?
1:00:13
And I've never been up there. All right, never been up there.
1:00:17
I feel like I'm the only one that's answered this question.
1:00:20
I quite literally answered the question like 3 minutes ago.
1:00:23
I said. I said snakes coming up the
1:00:25
toilet hole bite me in the booty cheeks.
1:00:29
Like that's no fun. The.
1:00:32
I'm sure that I'm sure that'll get clipped.
1:00:38
That's fun. I would call that irrational
1:00:40
just for the fact that like, I've never thought of that which
1:00:43
you may have just ruined my life.
1:00:45
I've laid some snakes in the toilet before.
1:00:47
But OK, all right, let's move on to trivia.
1:00:51
Let's move on to trivia. Let's let's do trivia.
1:00:54
Can we salvage this at all? Let's let's, let's talk.
1:00:59
Train is off the tracks JB. All right, well let's get it
1:01:03
back on. We talked Bregman Arenado, Beau
1:01:07
Bichette could be moving to 3rd. A lot of third base talk.
1:01:11
So trivia, there are 29 players who have played at least 150
1:01:18
games at third base over the last three years, with an OPS of
1:01:22
725. Nolan Arenado ranks #18 on that
1:01:26
list. Name the other 24.
1:01:29
Can you name the top 10 again? Just to reset here?
1:01:32
OPS top ten last three seasons players with at least 150 games
1:01:38
at third base. Bonus points if you tell me
1:01:42
who's the only guy on this list with 100 home runs.
1:01:46
On this list, Manny Machado. Manny Machado #8.
1:01:50
Jose Ramirez. Jose Ramirez #2 where?
1:01:54
Where's Aronado on this list? #18.
1:01:57
And you're asking for the top 10.
1:01:59
You're just asking for the top ten.
1:02:00
We don't want to go crazy. Sure.
1:02:02
How you said how many total did you say 24 or 29?
1:02:06
There are 29 total players who have played 150 games over the
1:02:11
last three years. Not in each of the last three
1:02:13
years. Literally over the last three
1:02:15
years. Rafael Devers.
1:02:18
Rafael Devers, number 1856, Yes. Seems like a perfect guy you'd
1:02:22
want to ship out. Did you big time?
1:02:25
Did you say we there's a bonus for over 100 home runs?
1:02:31
What did you? There's only one of them.
1:02:32
There's only one. We haven't named him yet.
1:02:34
We haven't named him yet. Hang on, oh, Geno Suarez.
1:02:39
He is number 9. He is number 9.
1:02:42
Are you answering the hundred home run question too?
1:02:47
I didn't know if you were, if you were going straight with the
1:02:49
100 because I got to tell you whether you're right or wrong
1:02:51
there. This is 100 over the last three
1:02:53
combined. There's only one on this list.
1:03:00
Were you asking for bonus points or not?
1:03:04
Are we? Hold on.
1:03:06
We'll put a pin in that. We'll come back to that, OK.
1:03:08
So we're he's at 9, he's at 9:00.
1:03:10
He's at 9:00. So you've got Machado at 88 and
1:03:13
9. Yep, 128 and 9 right now.
1:03:14
Devers, Jose Ramirez, Manny Machado, A Eugenio Suarez.
1:03:24
Wow, it gets kind of thin. Wait, there's there's 29 guys
1:03:32
that fit this bill over just the last three years.
1:03:36
The only the the fit the bill is just 150 games, 150 games at
1:03:42
third base. Not just over the last. 9.
1:03:46
But just over the last three years is what you're saying
1:03:49
that? Feels like a small number of
1:03:51
guys to me. Oh, you don't have to play 100.
1:03:54
And 50 games at third. Yeah, yeah.
1:03:56
There's anything about Devers, who's played a lot of games at
1:03:58
first, he still had. He still got to 150 at 3rd.
1:04:01
Too soon? Let's talk.
1:04:05
It's fair. Let's talk.
1:04:07
We're not a Michael Garcia. Oh no, see, that's a.
1:04:11
I wonder if he hasn't gotten there because he's not on the
1:04:14
list. Don't.
1:04:15
Oh, he is on the list. No, he's #22.
1:04:17
No, stop. Don't fluff him up, that was.
1:04:20
I thought he wasn't on the list and so I was like, has he not
1:04:23
played 150 at 3rd? But he is, he's #26 There you
1:04:28
go. Number six.
1:04:29
Some of these aren't as hard as you as you think.
1:04:32
Yeah, So what do we got now? So you have 1268 and 9.
1:04:38
You have Suarez, Machado, Bregman, Ramirez.
1:04:40
Nevers and the threshold is OPS of eight.
1:04:44
It's just the top ten in OPS. Oh.
1:04:46
Just top 10. Yeah #10 has a 773 OPS.
1:04:55
So we're just we're, you know, we're looking for that or better
1:04:58
and endeavors was number one with 857.
1:05:00
The thing is, is just think of third baseman.
1:05:02
What was Machado? He was or no?
1:05:05
Who was 9? Suarez 775.
1:05:09
Machado 75 or 6, we're in that mid sevens.
1:05:13
Was Machado? Was Machado 8 or 6?
1:05:16
Machado was 87926, WAS Bregman 796.
1:05:20
We're in the mid sevens, we can't think of anything crazy
1:05:23
here. I can tell you top five, yeah,
1:05:25
top five is is 800 and better. See what's making me wonder?
1:05:31
I have a name but I'm not sure about the OPS.
1:05:34
Matt Chapman, yeah. Matt Chapman is number 10 on the
1:05:37
list. What's that, OPS?
1:05:41
It's a 773. That's higher than I would have
1:05:44
guessed. 101 double SA 101 double S for him only only three
1:05:49
guys here that that got to 100 double S Devers with a one O 1
1:05:52
as well and Jose Ramirez with one O 9.
1:05:57
Tell me if Royce Lewis is on the list.
1:06:02
Royce Lewis. Is.
1:06:03
Number. 13 he's #13 yeah. He's better than been better
1:06:08
than what, 22nd? For Michael, Michael Garcia is a
1:06:12
stud. No disrespect.
1:06:14
It's it's the last three years for Michael Garcia that that
1:06:17
kind of threw it off right. The OPS 800 this year, but the
1:06:20
last two years before that was 681 and 614.
1:06:23
So what are we trying to? What do we have left position
1:06:26
wise? I know, I keep asking.
1:06:27
So you have #3 #4 #5 #7 left. 3457. 345.
1:06:35
All right, what are we missing here, dude?
1:06:37
We're missing some. Some.
1:06:39
Yeah, you're missing some names. At least a couple names.
1:06:42
I I would say 2 names. I just.
1:06:43
Want, I want people to know and because I keep getting this on
1:06:47
some of the clips I posted on social, they think like, how
1:06:50
could you forget this, this name, this team that, that
1:06:53
person, that this person. It's so much harder when you're
1:06:57
on the spot. I trust me.
1:07:01
And I have confidence in telling you that you can get them.
1:07:03
I'm looking at the names. It's easy for me to say.
1:07:06
Exactly. I feel like Austin Riley
1:07:08
doesn't. Mean, there you go #5 He's
1:07:11
saying he's number 580-4804. Wow, no disrespect guy. 72
1:07:20
homers. I shouldn't tell you that
1:07:21
because that would ruin Austin Riley for the 100 homers, but 78
1:07:25
double s. Esock Perettis.
1:07:28
Hey #7 that was actually one the one that I thought might have
1:07:31
been the hardest 1793. That's a pull guy.
1:07:35
How? About that.
1:07:37
So you're just. Missing 3 and 4.
1:07:41
Three and four, all right, yeah. Four's four's the tougher one.
1:07:44
This. Is 8.
1:07:44
This is 800 and above OPS wise. #4 has an 812 OPS #3 has an 830
1:07:52
OPS and I can give you age ranges if we want to get this
1:07:55
thing going #3 has done this between age 32 and 34 #4 between
1:08:01
the ages 19 to 21 and the and the 150 games are, I mean, most
1:08:17
everything is pretty weighted to 2025, like the 2023.
1:08:23
He played seven games, Jordan, just to let you know, no.
1:08:28
No, I did think Baltimore, but I was like, no.
1:08:32
Yeah, Westbrook, I don't think has gotten to, he has not gotten
1:08:35
to 150 at third base because he's he's moved around.
1:08:39
A lot of second, yeah. Although I think he's, I think
1:08:44
he falls when I did this in a couple other ways.
1:08:47
I think he falls just out of the top.
1:08:48
It's high OPS though, Max Muncie's got to have a pretty
1:08:51
decent. Open Max Muncie, number 3830.
1:08:53
Nice. OK, so now we need #4.
1:08:55
Now you need #4 and like I said, this is a. 19 to 21 year old,
1:08:59
yeah. Seven games as a 19 year old.
1:09:01
So like, this is a pretty fresh name here.
1:09:03
What at third base? And I mean probably harder.
1:09:08
I mean, I don't know. I don't want to.
1:09:11
Now we're good. We're good on this.
1:09:13
We're, I think we, I mean, we got, I mean, a young kid comes
1:09:18
up 19 to 21, third base, heavily weighted to the 2025 season.
1:09:28
Very, very heavy. What in the world am I missing?
1:09:33
I mean. Stud Who plays third for The Who
1:09:41
plays there for the A's? Matt Chapman.
1:09:44
No. For the A's.
1:09:50
Doesn't he? No.
1:09:51
He's a that's a giant. What do I think of?
1:09:53
That's a long time ago. Because.
1:09:57
Jacob Wilson's a short, but who? Yeah, No, it's not.
1:10:00
It's not, it's. Junior Junior Caminero.
1:10:03
Is that a guess? No, don't go with.
1:10:06
That I don't know if he got to 150.
1:10:07
No, no. Nate, you want to trust your gut
1:10:12
here. What did Junior Caminero post
1:10:14
last in 2025? Last year as far as games go.
1:10:18
Let's just think of what he did. 45 homers, 41 steals.
1:10:23
Yeah, I mean that that OPS has got to be high.
1:10:25
I'm going to say junior. Junior Caminero is #4 he had a
1:10:28
846 OPS. Well done.
1:10:30
This year. And so that's The thing is like
1:10:33
because he was so weighted, the 6:31 and 7:24 in the two
1:10:37
previous years don't carry much because of how many games it.
1:10:40
Was this year. I knew it was young, it just it
1:10:42
was crazy to. Think so?
1:10:43
Who's got the hundred home runs for the bonus points?
1:10:46
Is this of the top ten like is of the?
1:10:48
Top well of the whole list, there's only one guy that's hit
1:10:50
a hundred home runs. It's got to be Gino.
1:10:54
Right. It's Gino.
1:10:55
One O one. Wow.
1:10:57
Yeah, Bear. You guys killed it.
1:10:59
Let's. Go.
1:11:00
Well done. Good for us.
1:11:02
Good for us. I was real proud of my East side
1:11:04
parades. Paul, that was.
1:11:07
Jake Berger, Alec Baum, 11 and 12.
1:11:10
Jake Berger. I would not have guessed Jake
1:11:11
Berger. I could have, I could have seen.
1:11:13
I could have seen Baum. But then again, you're, you're,
1:11:16
you're dipping into what the mid sevens at that point.
1:11:19
Yeah, seven in the seven 60s there, yeah.
1:11:21
Yeah. So, OK, not not too surprising.
1:11:24
And The thing is, like Jake Berger didn't show up on this
1:11:26
when I was doing it a couple different ways. 60% of their
1:11:29
games at third base, he doesn't fall into that category, right?
1:11:32
But when I just did 150 games, he popped in the top 10, didn't
1:11:35
change. I tried it four different ways.
1:11:37
The top ten never changed, so. Hey, let's let's clap it up for
1:11:42
Josh. Let's clap it up for Josh.
1:11:45
This guy just continues to post. Good trivia, well done across
1:11:50
the board. I think we all did well.
1:11:52
You guys killed it. Way, way to end it.
1:11:55
All right, let's get out of here.
1:11:58
Good talk. Lot of lot of things happening
1:12:00
in baseball. We're less than a month away
1:12:03
from spring training. We're close and we're I think as
1:12:07
of yesterday, we're 5050 days out from the WBC.
1:12:11
So things are things are looking up for for the the great, the
1:12:15
great game that is baseball. So lock in.
1:12:20
Oh, real quick couple announcements.
1:12:24
I think I have taken it upon myself to make the decision that
1:12:32
new merch will be rolling out. February 1st Heard of your
1:12:42
first? February 1st, new merch rolling
1:12:44
out, also going to be making some some tweaks to the website
1:12:49
as well. So new things coming there.
1:12:50
And also, I don't think we've mentioned it, Nate.
1:12:53
We are, we're diving head first into Patreon.
1:12:59
How? About that how about that for an
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announcement got some got some bonus content coming your way
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folks and if if you if you like us, if you like our rants if you
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like our off topic non baseball related conversations a.
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Lot of good stuff in there. You are going to want to join
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that community. Take our word for it.
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That's all I really got, unless you guys got anything else for
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the folks. Don't go freaking chasing
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curveballs. Josh, I'm going to, I'm going to
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see if you got anything. I want to put you on the spot
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but. Yeah, I might change it all the
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time. Go baseball.
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Go baseball, I love it. What better way to end it.
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We love you all as always. Looking forward to talking more
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baseball with you guys soon. Until next time, stay filthy.