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The Late Debate | 22 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Well, late de Bait.
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  Speaker 2: Great to have your company on the Late Debate. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James MacPerson with Caleb Bond and Danika Georgio and Caleb.
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  Speaker 1: I'm incredibly excited about tomorrow morning. You know what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 3: What are you doing? James?
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  Speaker 2: I am a guest on Danika the Georgio's Danika Go's
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  Speaker 2: Global Podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Oh I know Caleb has been a guest a couple
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  Speaker 4: of times. For you to be on tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: A long time for me to be invited.
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  Speaker 5: Oh well, no, we got there eventually. So what should
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  Speaker 5: it be?
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  Speaker 1: Up?
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  Speaker 5: On our YouTube channel tomorrow?
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  Speaker 4: You can see James and I showing the fact together
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  Speaker 4: more than we do on this show.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be good. I'll pick Caleb's brains for some tips
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  Speaker 1: later on.
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  Speaker 6: Look, I'm glad you're not the only one who has
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  Speaker 6: to do the early call this week. It's recorded at
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  Speaker 6: nine in the morning. I did the James Bolt Show
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  Speaker 6: this morning as well, so I had the early call too.
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  Speaker 3: So at least we've both been dragged out a bit
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  Speaker 3: early this week.
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  Speaker 5: We take it as a call.
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  Speaker 3: Oh look, you know we're doing our bit.
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  Speaker 5: For the channel. That's it that people want to hear
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  Speaker 5: from you.
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  Speaker 2: Honored to be on your show, Danika, But we've got
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  Speaker 2: our own show to do right now, so let's get
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  Speaker 2: stuck into it. Here's what's coming up tonight. The Victorian
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  Speaker 2: school goes to extreme lengths to stop students mucking up
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  Speaker 2: in the toilets. A lot of people are saying they've
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  Speaker 2: gone too far. We'll talk about that.
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  Speaker 1: In a moment.
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  Speaker 2: Generous donations flooding to help a mother of quadruplets, only
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  Speaker 2: for her to be denied housing assistance when bureaucrats rule
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  Speaker 2: she's been given too much money, and South Australians have
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  Speaker 2: been told if they want cheap electricity, they should get
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  Speaker 2: used to sitting in the dark. All of that coming
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  Speaker 2: up shortly, But first we've all seen them, those parents
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  Speaker 2: who desperately want to be their child's best friend instead
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  Speaker 2: of being the one person willing to tell them no.
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  Speaker 2: These delinquent parents raising delinquent juveniles typically create havoc in
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  Speaker 2: shopping centers, like this mum who let her kids treat
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  Speaker 2: a cafe food cabinet like a climbing gym. Now, amazingly,
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  Speaker 2: the video, which has been viewed most five million times,
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  Speaker 2: has divided people between those outraged at the mum and
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  Speaker 2: those outraged at the person who filmed it. Personally, I
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  Speaker 2: think we should just bring back smacking the Nika.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 4: Look, firstly, while say, in regards to this video, when
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  Speaker 4: I was watching it, my blood was boiling watching it.
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  Speaker 4: I just want to grab that kid myself and haul
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  Speaker 4: him off it, eat him off it basically, and then
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  Speaker 4: eat him.
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  Speaker 7: You don't eat him, pick him up and eat.
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  Speaker 5: Him off it.
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  Speaker 4: But then the mother if you actually watch the full clip,
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  Speaker 4: So the full clip goes for about forty seconds or so,
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  Speaker 4: So there's two children, the little irritant that's climbing, and
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  Speaker 4: then there's another child too that eventually go leans over
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  Speaker 4: the counter, and it's just really frustrating. But you can
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  Speaker 4: see at one point, as you could say, actually here,
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  Speaker 4: she's just sort of you know, it's like she's patting him,
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  Speaker 4: being like, honey, just get off, like there's no need
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  Speaker 4: to be doing that.
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  Speaker 5: See if that was my kid.
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  Speaker 4: Now I'm not a parent, so I can't speak for
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  Speaker 4: all parents, but if that was my kid, I'd say
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  Speaker 4: get off there, and if they didn't listen, I say,
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  Speaker 4: we'll deal with this when you get home.
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  Speaker 5: A bloody mean it, son, A bloody mean it okay.
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  Speaker 4: It really irks me to see this soft parenting now
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  Speaker 4: in regards to smacking, I I'm a bit on the
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  Speaker 4: fence with this, to be honest, because I would my
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  Speaker 4: heart would break to see my child get upset and
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  Speaker 4: start crying back that I've hurt them unintentionally. But in
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  Speaker 4: certain circumstances, I think a little pat is okay, but
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't go for a full smack on the bum.
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  Speaker 2: I think your heart breaks to see your kids cry
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  Speaker 2: when you smack them, but your heart breaks more when
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  Speaker 2: they're in drug rehab.
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  Speaker 5: Well. Look, that's a fair point.
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  Speaker 8: What he's quite the pipeline climbing up on.
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  Speaker 2: Don't discipline your kids when you're young, you have problems
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  Speaker 2: when they're all.
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  Speaker 4: I agree with that, but such ways to do it?
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  Speaker 4: There there are other discipliney ways to do it. I
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  Speaker 4: feel like then, but you've got two sons. How did
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  Speaker 4: you view smacking when they grew up?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: We smacked the boys when they needed one. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: the go to.
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  Speaker 1: There's plenty of other things as a parent you can do.
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  Speaker 2: I think the number one thing is teach your kids
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  Speaker 2: that when you say something, you mean it.
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  Speaker 1: None of this old count to three.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, oh, count to five.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it this time, I really mean it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, pretty soon kids realize that you don't mean
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  Speaker 2: it at all.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, I really mean that.
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  Speaker 2: I think too many parents are trying to be their
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  Speaker 2: their kid's friend. And I think you develop friendship with
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  Speaker 2: your children as you get older.
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  Speaker 1: But when they're young, they don't need a buddy. They
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  Speaker 1: need a parent. They've only got one, so you might
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  Speaker 1: as well be it.
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  Speaker 6: But even go back, you know, further, before you even
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  Speaker 6: contemplate the idea of giving them a smack.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this comes down.
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  Speaker 6: To respect for a public place right and the people
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  Speaker 6: around you in a public place, And that lesson begins
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  Speaker 6: long before you're in a shop with the kid climbing
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  Speaker 6: on the counter.
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  Speaker 3: It begins it. I mean it begins from.
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  Speaker 6: The minute you start taking the kid outside, right when
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  Speaker 6: they're of an age where they can conform that the
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  Speaker 6: fact that they're in the world with other people, and
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  Speaker 6: those two children are not little. You know, they're up
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  Speaker 6: and walking about on their own, They're fully conscious of
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  Speaker 6: where they are and what they're doing. They're old enough
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  Speaker 6: to be able to look over the top of the counter,
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  Speaker 6: so they're not small kids. They should by that time
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  Speaker 6: be fully aware of the fact that you don't do
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  Speaker 6: that stuff in public. So there is very clearly a
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  Speaker 6: problem of parenting. And I thought it was interesting to
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  Speaker 6: note people online saying, you know, how dare whoever this
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  Speaker 6: individual was, take a video of these children doing this?
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  Speaker 3: But you can't of I mean, you can't win.
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  Speaker 6: Because, of course, the golden rule is you can't interfere
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  Speaker 6: with another parent's parenting. You can't tell another parent's kid
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  Speaker 6: off for doing the wrong thing because that causes major issues.
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  Speaker 3: So I can't do that.
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  Speaker 6: But then I can't take a video to note the
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  Speaker 6: fact that children are misbehaving in public and saying, look,
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  Speaker 6: here's an example of what's going wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Something should be done about it. So what do you
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  Speaker 3: mean to do?
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  Speaker 6: You meant to just go about your merry way and say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 6: that's fine, the kids can climb all over anything they
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  Speaker 6: what because I have no form of recourse.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there has to be a.
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  Speaker 6: Circuit breaker in cases like this, And I think we
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  Speaker 6: over took the videos quite right to point out that
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  Speaker 6: this kind of thing is going on because it is
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  Speaker 6: utterly disrombined. You're running a business and you've got kids
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  Speaker 6: with their greasy mits climbing all over your display cabinet.
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  Speaker 8: I mean I'd be coming out and saying, excuse me,
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  Speaker 8: you're not purchasing anything in my shop.
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  Speaker 4: Pr know what, Actually, if I was working behind the counter,
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  Speaker 4: in all honesty, I actually would have said something in
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  Speaker 4: a very polite way. I would have just said, sorry,
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  Speaker 4: do you mind this is a hygienic area.
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  Speaker 5: We're dealing with food.
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  Speaker 8: If you say to the peerf you'm telling you a
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  Speaker 8: child to.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I would have said something if I was behind
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  Speaker 4: the counter. But just in regards to the person that
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  Speaker 4: was filming, The problem obviously is is you can't film children.
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  Speaker 4: That was I don't have a problem with the fact
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  Speaker 4: that they filmed them, but in the sure original video
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  Speaker 4: you can see the kid's faces pretty clearly.
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  Speaker 5: You've got to be careful.
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  Speaker 4: We can't show children under the age of eighteen, We
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  Speaker 4: can't name children under the age of eighteen.
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  Speaker 5: You just have to be very, very careful.
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  Speaker 2: It does help authorities though to put them on the
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  Speaker 2: watch list straight away, though there is.
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  Speaker 5: Well well for the drug abuse. Is that what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: I think most people are pretty generous, like people, especially
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  Speaker 2: people who have been parents understand it's not always easy,
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  Speaker 2: especially on aeroplanes. I mean, taking little kids on aeroplanes
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  Speaker 2: can be a nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: And I think most people.
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  Speaker 2: Are pretty gracious and allow a fair bit of latitude.
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  Speaker 2: But when it's clear that a kid is misbehaving and
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  Speaker 2: mum and dad, like the mother in that video, are
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  Speaker 2: not taking any action to address it, but are sort
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  Speaker 2: of molly coddling it, that's when people get really annoyed.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Child a clinical child clinical psychologist who was quoted in
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  Speaker 4: this article, Emily Hansen. She says young children are wired
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  Speaker 4: to climb, touch, and explore.
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  Speaker 5: They're still learning.
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  Speaker 4: That's not a character flawa in the child or the parent,
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  Speaker 4: it's development. What children need in those moments is a
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  Speaker 4: calm out of to redirect them. I'm not so sure
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  Speaker 4: you can be calm if you're telling your kid get
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  Speaker 4: down a thousand times, I don't think you could be
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  Speaker 4: calm and redirect them in that moment.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, she's obviously an expert in her field.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not disputing her qualifications, but I think there is
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  Speaker 4: an element where you've got to get a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: Well and you can climb at the playground, you don't
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  Speaker 6: climb up to someone else's shop count.
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  Speaker 2: But the other side to that is just climbing and
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  Speaker 2: exploring comes naturally, But being naughty and disobedient comes naturally
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  Speaker 2: as well. You don't teach your kids to be naughty
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  Speaker 2: and disobedient, that comes naturally. You have to teach them
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  Speaker 2: to behave and to respect authority, and parents who failed
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  Speaker 2: to do that set their kids up for failure long term.
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  Speaker 6: Well, you know, climbing, When was the last time you
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  Speaker 6: saw a kid with a broken arm with their arm
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  Speaker 6: in a cast.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a kid at school.
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  Speaker 6: Everyone you know at some point that have had their
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  Speaker 6: arm in a car. I couldn't tell you the last
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  Speaker 6: time I saw a kid with their arm in a cast,
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  Speaker 6: Which means they're not climbing up things enough.
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  Speaker 3: You know, forget about shop counters.
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  Speaker 6: They should be climbing up trees, key bars and all
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  Speaker 6: sort of things and falling off and breaking bones.
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  Speaker 3: It's how we used to do it. Anyway, while we're.
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  Speaker 6: Talking about children, these are of the older variety high
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  Speaker 6: school children. Over at Lara Secondary College down near Geelong
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  Speaker 6: in Victoria, they've installed these new wizbang four hundred thousand
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  Speaker 6: dollars toilets. They want to be pretty good toilets for
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  Speaker 6: four hunder grand I have to say. They have a
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  Speaker 6: tracking system on them, so if the kiddies want to
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  Speaker 6: go to the loo, they have to go to the
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  Speaker 6: office and retrieve a key card that they then scan
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  Speaker 6: to into the toilet that collects all their details, so
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  Speaker 6: the school can then see that, you know, a little
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  Speaker 6: miss Muffett went into the toilet at precisely two twenty
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  Speaker 6: seven PM and she then spent nine minutes in qubicle seven.
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  Speaker 6: It's a great little of detail for them to keep,
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  Speaker 6: and indeed, this is the level of detail they can keep.
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  Speaker 3: They can keep exactly how long you've been in there.
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  Speaker 3: They've got your name, they've got which cubicle you used,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera.
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  Speaker 6: Now it is thought that this has been done in
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  Speaker 6: the name of safety because a couple of years ago
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  Speaker 6: at this school, Lara Secondary College, there was a big
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  Speaker 6: fight that broke out in the girls' toilets. This is
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  Speaker 6: video that was taken at the time of this brawl
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  Speaker 6: that was then subsequently posted to social media. Now, of course,
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  Speaker 6: you know you don't want people having girls clearly having
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  Speaker 6: brawls in the toilet, and that ought to be stopped.
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  Speaker 6: But I gotta be frank, I'm not sure putting monitoring
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  Speaker 6: devices on the school toilets is quite the way to
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  Speaker 6: go about it. One student at the school was quoted
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  Speaker 6: in the Herald son saying it works by walking to
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  Speaker 6: an office grabbing a key cart. As I said, before
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  Speaker 6: giving them your name. They tracked the exact time.
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  Speaker 3: You enter and leave. It even includes what stool you
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  Speaker 3: were in. It is a gross invasion of privacy.
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  Speaker 6: There was another student who was quoted as saying she
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  Speaker 6: felt uncomfortable now about, you know, whether or not she
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  Speaker 6: could go to the toilet to deal with her period,
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  Speaker 6: because of course, now that they're tracking how long you're
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  Speaker 6: in the toilet opens up the possibility that, you know,
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  Speaker 6: the school will start saying, well, you know, you spent
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  Speaker 6: too long in there, miss, what was all that about,
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  Speaker 6: et cetera. Then you've got to explain to some teacher
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  Speaker 6: or staff member, well, I'm sorry, sir, I was bleeding
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  Speaker 6: this morning. I mean, surely this is a step too far.
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  Speaker 6: Monitoring via technological means how much time students are spending
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  Speaker 6: in the toilet. I mean, when I was at school,
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  Speaker 6: if I'd spent too long in the toilet. I'm sure
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  Speaker 6: I would have come back and the teacher would have said, Caleb,
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  Speaker 6: why were you.
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  Speaker 3: In the toilet for fifteen minutes?
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  Speaker 6: And then I would have had to say, well, because
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  Speaker 6: I found the classroom boring, sir or miss or whatever
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  Speaker 6: it was, Right, Like, surely the teachers can monitor this
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  Speaker 6: stuff without having to use a key card to monitor
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  Speaker 6: what store you're in and how long you're in touch
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  Speaker 6: it to your name on some files somewhere, the toilet
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  Speaker 6: file being kept by I think it's really weird.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I don't think we want to know what you
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  Speaker 4: were doing in the toilet for fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm going to move right on from that one.
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  Speaker 5: But look, I.
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  Speaker 7: Actually I completely agree. I agree. I think it's a compused.
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  Speaker 7: I think it is a complete invasion of privacy.
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  Speaker 4: And I worry for young girls who are indeed going
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  Speaker 4: through puberty.
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  Speaker 5: They are going through a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Of changes in their body, and a lot of young
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  Speaker 4: girls don't know how to handle them and what you know, say,
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  Speaker 4: for instance, I don't have a mother or somebody that
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  Speaker 4: they can go through these bodily changes with, So they've
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  Speaker 4: gone to the toilet to try and seek some solstice
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  Speaker 4: to try and figure things out, and they're in there
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  Speaker 4: for Sorry. Solace, Solace, Solace, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 6: Caleb Funny, the solstice is the toilet.
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  Speaker 5: It's a stra This is going really, really well.
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  Speaker 4: This I derailed this entire segment, but you know, I
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  Speaker 4: do feel for young girls that are going through this
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  Speaker 4: and then they're stuck in the toilet for a long
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  Speaker 4: time and they come out and the teacher goes, well,
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  Speaker 4: why were you so while we're in there for so long,
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  Speaker 4: and they get embarrassed. It's actually really hard as a
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  Speaker 4: young girl going through bodily changes, and I think this
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  Speaker 4: is a complete invasion of privacy, but also an overreaction.
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  Speaker 5: There was one fight, one fight, and I.
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  Speaker 4: Would like to think that they dealt with those students accordingly.
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  Speaker 5: I just think it's a you know.
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  Speaker 4: You don't need to bring big brother in to deal
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  Speaker 4: with one incident.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to disagree with both of you.
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  Speaker 2: I think the scandal is not that the school is
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  Speaker 2: monitoring toilet use. I think the scandal is that they
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  Speaker 2: need to that's been more than one incident. In twenty seventeen,
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  Speaker 2: this school featured on a Current Affair because violence in
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  Speaker 2: the school was so bad. The same year that they
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  Speaker 2: had that brawl in the girl's toilets, they had another
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  Speaker 2: brawl on the school oval that was so bad police
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  Speaker 2: had to be called, not because of the students fighting,
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  Speaker 2: but because of parent turned up after the fight and
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  Speaker 2: started abusing people in the school. So this is a
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  Speaker 2: school with a track record of violent instances that have
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  Speaker 2: required police attendance and that have featured on national television.
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  Speaker 2: The other toilets that have not been upgraded are so
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  Speaker 2: vandalized that they're beyond use. So there's a clear problem
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  Speaker 2: in this school that goes beyond one time.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of years ago they had a fight. That's
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  Speaker 1: my first point.
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  Speaker 2: Second point is this, the monitoring of time in the
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  Speaker 2: toilets is not during recess or lunchtime. You can go
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  Speaker 2: to the toilet, no one cares how long you're in there.
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  Speaker 2: But if you go to the toilet during class, that's when, okay,
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  Speaker 2: you can go to the toilet. You get a key
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  Speaker 2: card so the school can monitor who was in the
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  Speaker 2: toilets during class time and how long they are at
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  Speaker 2: the toilet. I don't think that's a problem. I think
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  Speaker 2: schools have a duty of care to know where kids
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  Speaker 2: are what they're doing. And clearly this is a school
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  Speaker 2: where kids have abused the privileges they've been given. So
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  Speaker 2: now the school is saying, well, parents expect us to
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  Speaker 2: know what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: We'll make sure that we know.
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  Speaker 2: With regard and I don't think that they're checking how
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  Speaker 2: long did Caleb spend the toilet?
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  Speaker 1: Two minutes, so that's healthy.
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  Speaker 2: Fifteen minutes, that sounds a bit dodgy, Danika, what was
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  Speaker 2: going on there? I think the school only check the
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  Speaker 2: records if something happens, Okay, we know who was where,
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  Speaker 2: and we've got evidence as to how long they were
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: gone for. And finally, with regards to female students, I
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: don't understand all of that. So but my thought would be,
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: surely if a young girl had an issue, she would
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: be spoken to, not by a male teacher. There'd be
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: a female teacher who would talk to her.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: We don't know that if she's in a male if
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: she's got a male teacher, she's going to have to
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: explain to the teacher.
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: A male teacher.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: These days that schools are so conscious of.
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: But if you're monitoring times, and if you're monitoring times,
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: you get what you're given right in the classroom.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: If the girl had an issue, I'm sure that a
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: female teacher would be boored.
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: So then she's going to not only have to explain
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: herself to a male teacher, who then has to decide
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: whether or not to then pass that on to a
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: female teacher.
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: It's actually really embarrassing. If it's great, can I.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Say that worsus massive brawls in the school toilets with.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: So you put put a timing system on the school.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Toilets, maybe a timing system where the door just flies
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: open after like you lose.
• 16:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you use the ex loose and if you spend
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: too long in because they do it to stop people
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: shooting up and whatever.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Really a thing.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you have used an ex loose No I'm not.
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: So they have them in parts of the city and
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: often like bus interchanges and things like that. And yes,
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: the idea is they're like self cleaning toilets, fully stainless steel,
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: and there is a time limit on the door because
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: the idea is they don't want to aid people going
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: to sleep in them or going in there and using
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: drugs and you know, all sorts of nefarious stuff. So
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: the door will swing over lot. I think it's like
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: ten minutes or something. But so you wouldn't want to
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: have too much you will you would be and be
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: sitting on the john and the door and open up
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: and the whole world to get to see. But going
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: back to serious point, so you put this timing thing
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: on the toilets or the monitor whatever, it doesn't change
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: the underlying problem, which is clearly the school has major
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: cultural issues if they've got students punching on in the lose,
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: and they got parents punching on on a school oval
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: and all this sort of stuff. I mean, putting a
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: monitoring system on the toilet is a band aid measure
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: that the school clearly has much bigger problems than that.
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: And if you're spending four hundred grand, I suspect you
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: could spend four hundred grand a lot more effectively to
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: fix bigger problems in the school than putting a key
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: card system on the toilets.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: But this is this is this is.
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: Bureaucracy one oh one, where they go, here's how can
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: we spend the most money to achieve the least results.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: And this would seem to me exactly the way to
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: do it.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: That said school principles are so running such tight budgets
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: for a principle to say, okay, we'll spend four hundred
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: grand on this tells you the extent of the problem, because,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: as you said, you'd much rather spend money on other things,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: and no one more so than the principle of the
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: school who's approved this spending. So to me, that just
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: goes to show how big an issue it must be.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: But also then it makes me want to I would
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: want to now know what discipline reactions do they take
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: in that school for them to go to such extreme measures?
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean?
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Like, is it they have a problem with discipline? Do
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: they have a problem with suspension? Expulsion? Are they not
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: handling these situations correctly that they've gone?
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: Okay, you know what.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: The only solution that we've got into monitor the toilet time.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: You know where it all starts, kids climbing food.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: It goes from kids climbing on counters, misbehaving in the toilets,
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: to drugs, drugs.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: Drug That's where James was going.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: That's where the mind was going down from. Now, look,
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: have a listen to this. A Brisbane mother has given
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: birth to rare identical quadruplets would you believe four babies
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: at once, But she has been denied state housing assistance
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: because a GoFundMe page that was set up to help
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: her out has actually been denied. Now Jeneta Naman, she's
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: now a mother of eight. So she had four children
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: and now she's just given birth to four at once,
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: and so a go fund Me page was set up
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: to try and help her give her that she is
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: raising eight children with her partner in a cost of
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: living crisis. So this go Fundi page started off at
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: about sixty thousand, and at last look as we just
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: saw there from it, it was just over eighty thousand
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: dollars now, So she had applied for state housing assistance
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: in June. It was approved there and bear in mind
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: that the average wait time for it to even be
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: looked at for a case study to be looked at
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: is about two years. So she had it approved in June,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: and then she received an email on Tuesday morning saying
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: that no, we can't give you any more assistance because
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: she was deemed to have too much cash because of
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: this go fund Me page, which is absolutely extraordinary. Now,
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: this money that she would have received from the government
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: would have helped them get into a rental, including covering
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: bond or some weeks of rent which has now been withdrawn. Say, okay,
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: that fundraiser had about eighty thousand dollars in it, and
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: I was having a look at the average costs of
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: children in this country. So raising a newborn is seventeen thousand.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: Dollars on average.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: She has four newborns at once, so that's seventeen thousand
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: per child, and then about thirteen thousand dollars per subsequent
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: chrild or she's got another per year per subsequent child,
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: so she's got four that there goes that eighty grand
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: within the twelve months, that money down the drain. I
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: actually think it's really really disappointing decision by the state,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: by the state government.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: I think it's appalling.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: And also, don't forget these go fundme pages. You don't
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: just get the money straight away. There's a lot of
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: admitted that it goes through. She won't see any of
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: that eighty thousand dollars for months, if not years if that.
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: At this point, it's just the typical go back to
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: the bureaucracy business, right. The stupidity of the bureaucracy and
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: the immovability of our willthy system. Now I did five
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: or six years ago. I filmed a doco with SBS
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: Could You Survive on the Breadline? And I spent two
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: weeks living on forty.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: Dollars a day, which was then the rate of new Start,
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: which is now called what job Seeker.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: And I went around. I met people who were.
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: On the disability support pension, and people who were receiving
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: parenting payments and all sorts of different stuff, right, and
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: the challenge was does the rate need to be raised?
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: And fundamentally, the view I came.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: Away was with that the end of that two weeks
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: was that we have a system that's fundamentally based on
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: trying to fit square pegs into round holes and then
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: wondering why it doesn't work.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: There are some people.
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: Who I think you could quite legitimately argue deserve to
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: receive more money or assistance, and there are others who
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: could legitimately argue are getting way too much and are
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: abusing the system. There's no moveability whatsoever. So what you
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: have here is clearly a case of parents who were
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: in no way expecting to have.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Four more children.
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: They thought they were going to have one more kid, right,
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: All of a sudden, they find themselves having four more children.
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: They live in a three bedroom home. Okay, we need
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: a much bigger house. They don't have much choice in
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: that matter now unless they're going to give the kids away,
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: and of course they wouldn't want to do that, so
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: they apply for help to find a bigger place with
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: a bit of assistance, which is entirely within the rules.
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: But then mister government turns around and says, well, now
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: you'll flush with cash, so you no longer deserve it.
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: Tell me how in any way that is a humane system.
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: Surely so much should be able to run their eye
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: over that and say, look, eighty grand isn't going to
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: get you that far. Someone's raised it for you to
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: support you in a circumstance that you never foresaw. It's
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: not like you can now go and buy yourself a
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: Lamborghini in a mansion.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: You fit the nail on the head with this. The
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: bureaucrat sitting in an office somewhere, first off, sent an
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: email to say you're not getting a sistance for housing.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Is that really something you send via email to somebody
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: who's now got eight children, having just gotten home from
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: giving birth to corddruplets. Then to do that knowing as
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: you said, I mean eighty thousand dollars forget living costs.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I mean that's just to buy the minibus right that
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: you're now going to require to go anywhere. The lack
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: of wisdom, the lack of discretion, lack of somebody sitting
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: before they hit send on that heartless, impersonal email thinking
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I know the rules say this, but maybe I should
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: get out of my cubicle and walk over to the
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: office and ask my supervisor is this like should we
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: do this or should we because the Health Minister in
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Queensland has said this is an exceptional circumstance that should
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: have an exceptional response, and so I think they're going
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: to reverse the edict, as they should. But it shouldn't
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: take media coverage to reverse the stupid decision like that.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Someone in an office somewhere should have thought, you know what,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I know what the rules say, but maybe there's some
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: opportunity for discretion and leeway here. All right, everything that
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen does now creates a massive headline. And today,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: of course she made some comments about domestic violence, and well,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: the whole thing has blown up. In case you missed it.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Here's what she said.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: What's your message, Pauline Hanson to blugs who lose their bottle,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: who get angry and bash and hurt their intimate partners.
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: Well, it is wrong, but it's also two way street.
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: But I'm not saying that just men and women can
• 24:43
  Speaker 9: lose their cruel as well. Domestic violence is a scourge,
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: but sometimes Look I'm not going to go in detail,
• 24:53
  Speaker 9: but I've been through it myself in my life now.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Those comments then created a massive storm, with everyone from
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Tenure Plibus to Britney Higgins jumping in to condemn Pauline
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Hansen for making dangerous, irresponsible comments implying that women are
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: just as fault as men. Here's what Britney Higgins had
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: to say on social media. She wrote, mutual abuse two
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: way street. Just leave normalizing this victim Blaming retric in
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: relation to domestic violence when thirty eight Australian women have
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: already been lost to femicide is atrocious. Having experience of
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: domestic and family violence herself, Senator Hanson's comments are deeply disappointing.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Senator Hanson may never apologize for her senseless comments, but
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: they cannot be allowed to send a message to victim
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: survivors and those trapped in abusive situations. Instead, they must
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: know that they are not at fault, that leaving is
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: harder than anyone could imagine, and that there is a
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: network of support there for them. My problem with this
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: is that, yeah, we could argue about did Pauline Hanson
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: use a clumsy phrase? Could she have expressed things better?
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: That there's probably really an occasion where any of us
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: couldn't have expressed things more clearly. The issue for me
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: is the deliberate and wilful misinterpretation, misunderstanding and misattribution of
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: things that Pauline Hanson says. Britney Higgins would know very well,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: because Brittney Higgins, no matter what you think of her,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: she's not silly. She would know full well what Pauline
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Hanson was trying to say. And Pauline Hanson has been
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: a big advocate for men in the family court being
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: given a fair go. Pauline Hanson was not suggesting that
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: domestic violence incidents are the same between men and women
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: and the number is the same. Nor was she suggesting
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: that it's easy to get out of a situation that
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: you might find yourself in she was simply making the point.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: You know, let's not forget some men are victims as well,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: and I think people should be a little less quick
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: to be outraged, and that we all know what she meant,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: so don't deliberately misunderstand it and then painter as a villain.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: I think that sometimes Pauline Hansen doesn't articulate what she's
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: trying to describe. We know, I understand that, and I
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: think the point that she was trying to make is
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: is that there are I think there are a lot. Obviously,
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: women are genuinely the victims overwhelmingly. The statistics show that
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: it is the women who are victim survivors, right, but
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: we can't forget that there are also a very small
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: portion of men in that position. And now it may
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: not be physical violence, but it's also manipulation. It's psychological
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: abuse as well, at the hands of women, and we
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: can't forget that as well.
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: And I think that we are conditioned.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: In society to always believe the woman, and again, in
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: the majority of cases, it absolutely is the woman. But
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: there have also been sometimes where men have been accused
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: of wrongdoing when they haven't actually been at fault, or
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: when men feel that they can't say anything and that
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: they are the victims because again, we are conditioned in
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: society to always believe the woman, so it's easy just
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: to not say anything because you feel like you've got
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: no hope. Where I think that Pauline went wrong in
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: this case is when she said women shouldn't put up
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: with it. You know, there are complex circumstances to why
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: women do put up with it, why they are stuck
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: in abusive relationships. Pauline Hansom herself said that she has
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: experienced domestic issues, so she should know that well enough.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: I just think it was sloppy and poorly worded, but
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: I do understand what she was trying to say, but
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: it wasn't right.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Bettered woman syndrome is a real thing.
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: I think it's on average, an abused woman goes back
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: about seven times before she had breaks up with it
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: with an abusive partner. So yeah, I mean it's it's
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: supremely difficult, right. I have to give credit though, to
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: Jonathan Dunham from the Liberals who was talking to Sharry
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: Marxon earlier this evening, who you know, Sharry gave him
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: the opportunity to have her go if he wanted to,
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: and he just told the truth.
• 29:22
  Speaker 9: I honestly think it was just a poorly constructed sentence.
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: Frankly, good on him for not buying into the outrage
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: machine that has unfolded today.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: And I suppose the thing is though, and he's right.
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: Look, you know what she was trying to say because
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: the question she was asked by Gary Hardgrave and four
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: PC pertained specifically to men, and it comes in light
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: of a number of stories in recent weeks where women
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: have been murdered by men, are allegedly murdered by men,
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: and there was a very recent case just a couple
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: of days ago of a son who's allegedly murdered his mother.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Right, So that's the context of this.
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: Garret Hardgrave is talking specifically about violence committed by men.
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: The point that Miss Hansen was trying to make is, yes,
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: domestic violence is bad, and we need to talk about
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: the domestic violence is bad, but in the broader discussion
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: we should also note that there are other forms of
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: domestic violence as well. It was sloppy and she perhaps
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: should have known that it would be blown up into this.
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: You know, whether or not it is true, it was
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: always kind of going to go this way unfortunately, and
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: so perhaps it wasn't the smartest pr move. But the
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: reality is the dog will bark and the caravan will
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: move on. It'll be a story today, Tomorrow there'll be
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: another story.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: The problem with this outrage is that eventually you get
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: to a point where most people will be too afraid
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: to say anything about anything because unless they are word perfect,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: then they'll be completely taken out of context. Or we'll
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: get a situation where those communicating will do so in
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: the most extreme ways because they'll have to clarify that
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't mean this, I'm not saying that,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: and by the time they get to their actual point,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: everyone will.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Have fallen asleep.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Why don't we just loosen up a little bit and
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: just believe the best of what people say and not
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: assume the worst, and you know, not read into things
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: that clearly they're not intending.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Well, I also just think everyone's very quick to pounce
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: on Pauline Hanson at the moment. She is a lady
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: of the moment, and in particular the left, they are
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: going to take every little thing that she says out
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: of context between now and the next election because they
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: don't like it and that doesn't bother Pauline Hanson, but
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: they're going to jump on everything.
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: Indeed, speaking of things you may not like, can you
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: like the idea of losing your power in order to
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: have cheaper bills? I know sounds extraordinary, doesn't it, But
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: this is apparently the reality we may will be facing.
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: The ABC had an interesting article about what's going on
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: down in South Australia where they've instituted this scheme.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: It started on.
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: The first of July, where they have put basically surcharge
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: on people's power bills in order to build up a
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: system that can make up for a loss of power
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: or lack of power during times of high use.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Now, of course that's.
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: Often during summer and you know, lots of people turn
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: their air cons on and they want power. At the
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: same time, power bills go through the roof, or the
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: wholesale price goes through the roof, because there is a
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: lot of energy being used and not enough of it
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: being produced. So the South Australian government has said we
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: will come up with a system that sort of regulates
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: all of this so that we don't have these major
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: spikes in prices. But the ABC has quoted a chap
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: by the name of Daniel Rossetto, who is an expert
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: in global environmental and energy commodity markets at Adelaide University,
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: and he's raised the possibility that if you want cheaper power,
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: maybe you just have to put up with not having
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: enough of it. He says, one of the most important
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: reasons why electricity bills continue to go up and people
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: just can't seem to find a way to get them
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: to go down is essentially because we demand the highest
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: standards of reliability. We end up prioritizing reliability by default,
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: and sometimes also sustainability with renewables and things like that,
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: without necessarily thinking about affordability. But are we prepared to
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: tolerate a slightly slower pace of decarbonization on electricity in
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: the name of less expensive energy, or are we prepared
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: to take a little more outage time in exchange for
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: lower prices. I can tell you which one I'd take.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: It's the slower to carbonization in order to have the
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: cheaper energy. I mean, who seriously going to say yes?
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: I would prefer that the power wasn't on sometimes, so
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: I got to have cheaper power bills.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: So first we were offered cheaper power. Then we're offered
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: cleaner energy, and now we're offered the chance to sit
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: for long periods in the dark. Imagine if you applied
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: this principle to other areas of society, Like you know,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: ambulances are really defensive, So in order to be able
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: to afford healthcare, would you be prepared to you know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: every third heart attack doesn't receive any medical assistance. You know,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: roads are really expensive, it's costing a bomb. So what
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: if we just make every third bridge aspirational? I mean,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: you would never agree to that, and you we're being
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: asked to agree to that with the electricity grid. And
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: I love the fact. And this is common in modern
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: politics now right. If there's a policy problem, the issue
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: is not the idiot politicians with their dumb policies.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: The problem is the public who expects.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Twenty four to seven electricity at a reasonable price. We'll
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: see you're asking too much, and asking too much these days,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: is expecting what our parents had.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's exactly right.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they want you to make concessions for the renewables
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: only experiment. It's on your shoulders. If it's a hot day,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: don't turn on your air conditioner. Just you know, wind
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: the window down.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: Give that a crack.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: Or if it's really really cold as it is now
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: in the middle of winter, please do not put on
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: your heater. God forbid. Whatever you do, just grin and
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: bear and if you get a cold, you get sick.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: You're doing your bit.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for the energy supplier. But it
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: reminds me it happened here in New South Wales a
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: couple of years ago.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: Remember that we.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Had a very horrific heat wave here and we were
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: told to turn off our washing machines and our.
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: Dishwashers because the grid couldn't cope. We were told to
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: do our bit.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: Now all you have to do is look to Spain
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: to see exactly what is going on with the renewables
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: only outfit where they have rolling blackouts. Remember a mass
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: mass blackout as soon as they entered. I think it
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: was close to one hundred percent renewables energy. That is
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: where we are going if we do not hop off
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: this magical mystery ride tour into the never Never.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: So no, our bills are not going down as it is.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Why the heck should we be making any level of
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: concessions for dumb policies that have been thrust upon us,
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: which nobody.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: Ever voted for.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: And I want to take this opportunity just to speak
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: to people in my house because I got our electricity
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: bills this afternoon.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: There will be long periods.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Of darkness in our home moving forward. Just giving you
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: the heads up to go to a.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Break when we come back.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Look at what's making headlines tomorrow, including Labour's national conference.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: It begins tomorrow and they'll be told that one nation is.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Their greatest threat. That's next.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. Let's take a look at
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: what's making headlines tomorrow, Caleb. You've got the Australian. Some
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: good stories.
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: There, indeed a great headline on the front of yours
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: tomorrow at two ETU premiere. Back on the chopping block
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: as loyalists switch exclusive from Anthony Galloway, Victorian Labor MPs
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: have begun plotting another leadership challenge against your Cinterra Allen,
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: with more members of her own faction with drawing support
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: in recent days. With State Parliament returning next week, MPs
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: are of the view it will be their last chance
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: to force a leadership change. Four months out from the
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: November election, there is growing talk of a cross factional
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: delegation going to the premier to convince her to stand down,
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: or to Deputy Premier Ben Carrol to urge him to challenge. Well,
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: it's all kicking off in Victoria, isn't I mean, they
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: really should have made this move some time ago if
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: they want it to work. It's hard graft at this
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: point because what we're at the end of July, they're
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: going to have an election in mid November. You're not
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: giving a new leader much of a run up.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: To get going. But there you go.
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: But clearly they can see the riting on the wall
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: that if they stick with you, Cinda Allen, they are
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: in a lot of trouble.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but the rumblings have been there for ages.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: They've been talking about possibly rolling her now for months
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: and months, and nobody's had the.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: Gusto to want to do it. So it's a little
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: bit too late.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: And I just wonder if the person who'll be put
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: into that position, whether or not it is Ben Carroll,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: if this does actually happen, if they're just going to
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: be there as a placeholder between now and November, should
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: the Liberal Party be successful.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Well, the problem is that Ben Carroll seems to be
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the person to do it if it be done, and
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: the article says the push to unseek Miss Allen has
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: been complicated by mister Carroll last month ruling out the
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: challenging the premire so.
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: Well, he remember he famously looked her in the eye
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: at the Greast conference, so you.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Can't go back on that.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: So the article is suggesting that the only way this
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: could happen really so that Ben Carroll could have any
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: sense of credibility after the event is if to sit
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: to Ellen agreed to hand over peacefully. Can you imagine
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: that happening. I don't think it's within her DNA.
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: And she's already said she wouldn't step down even if
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: it would give them a better electoral chance at the election.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Very team orientate it off, I know, I know.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: She did well. No I in team anyway.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: Yes, she did say that around about the same time
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: that Ben Carroll looked her in the eye. But no,
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: she was asked that question after some recent round of
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: polling and she said no, no, under no circumstances will
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: I be stepping down.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Even if the polling improved without me, I would not.
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: If she was asked the question if it was better
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: for the party would just and she said, I'm not
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: going anywhere.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Well, I know that's.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: All you need to know.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: Speaking of Labor, of course, they're having their national conference
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: kicking off tomorrow in Adelaide.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Great part of the world. It says.
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: Labor declares a new enemy number one exclusive from Gregor
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: Brown Outgoing ALP president Wayne Swan will declare one nation
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: has usurped the coalition as Labour's biggest electoral threat and
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: worn against predicting Pauline Hanson will fade out ahead of
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: the next election as Anthony Alpineasy expands taxpayer funded wages
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: for students undertaking practical courses. The former treasurer will make
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: his national conference speech at a dinner on Friday night
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: while accepting the party's life membership, alongside former Indigenous Australians
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: Minister Linda Bernie, who declared she had no regrets about
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: pushing forward with the doomed Voice referendum and hope the
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: issue of constitutional recognition would be revisited in the near future.
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: She said, I think Voice Referendum was a devastating outcome,
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: but it gives us a base to work from and
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: it goes on with plenty more.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: But mister Swan is correct.
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: I think that one nation is now the biggest threat
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: to Labor.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: The question is what does Labor then.
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: Do about it, because if they're going to go on
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: the major attack, it's the same as the coalition going
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: on there. I don't think it's going to work. People
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: are switching from Labor or Liberal to one nation because
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: they're really peeved with what the major parties have done,
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: and the whole will you're an idiot for going to
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: another party thing is not.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Going to work.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I think he's sadly mistaken. One nation not Labour's biggest
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: problem or biggest threat. Labour's biggest threat is selved incredibly
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: high power prices, a porous border. People who supported isis
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: being brought back to the country with nearly any objection.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: And we could go on and on. If Labor did
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: some things.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: About that sort of stuff, they would have to worry
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: about other people. So them just fussing over one nation
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: and saying on one nation of the enemy, like you said, Caleb,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: no one is going to care two hoots that they've
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: identified one nation as we identify the problems in the country.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: He forgot one thing and in your list, it's the
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: Prime Minister himself.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Well, you can't sleep, can't lie straight, can't tell the truth.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Well in the car he was in Melbourne, he was
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: on a plane.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: I saw yesterday the Prime Minister being driven up the
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: city Whistlink here in Sydney, and he was sitting in
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: the back of the car as far as I could
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: tell on his own, did you he was on the outside?
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: But I wondered what he was up to in the
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: back of the car, because as we know, he doesn't
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: take phone calls or read things on his phone when
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: he's in the back of the car. So I just
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: quietly thought to myself, I wonder what the Prime Minister's
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: doing in the back of c one there.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I'm still laughing at did you honk if if you
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: saw the Prime Minister's.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: We like Prime Minister it's Caleb Bond.
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: I don't think from five lanes away it would have
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: done much good.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: All right, let's take a look at the front page
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: of Tomorrow's Daily Telegraph. Robo fine Blitz reads the headline
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Ao souper Ai supercharges the gouging of Sydney drivers.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Mobile phone and seat belt cameras.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Have delivered a four hundred million dollar fine bonanza, and
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: bureaucrats are now exploring how artificial intelligence could help decide
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: who gets fined under a drastic robofine proposal. Daily Telegraph
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: can reveal Transport for New South Wales is searching for
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: an automated enforcement system to police the state's roads, including
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: using AI assisted decisioning.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Decisioning Is that a word.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: It's not what I would have used, but anyway.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I've never heard the word decision bureaucratics speak of this
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: one AI assisted decisioning to catch drivers touching their mobile
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: phones or not wearing a seat belt.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: This will be interesting because Western.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Australia started introducing AI assisted fines and a reasonable percentage
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: about five percent were contested by people wanting a review,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: mainly over seat belts because they were photographed because of
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: AI with people in the back seat who had taken
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: off a seat belt, usually a kid or maybe a
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: pass but the driver had not realized.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: And then the drivers being fined for it.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: Well, it was on the front page, wasn't of the
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: Canberra Times as well?
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: We read it out on the show yesterday.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: Yesterday about that lady that was accused of having her
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: phone in her hand and she's desperately trying to contest its.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: The photo on the front page show to clearly with
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: both hands on them on the wheel.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: So that's it. You can't trust AI when it comes
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: to this.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: New AI overlords. You know they're coming for it.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: It's more profit though, right, More AI means less human events, intervention,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: less wages.
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: Than You're not telling me that the traffic farns about
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: revenue raising, are.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: You, James?
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I would not suggest any such.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Surely not possible.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: No, let's take a look now at the Herald Sun exclusive.
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: Socialite breaks her.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Silence after Mount Buller drinks spike scandal charges dropped.
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: I'm not an evil person.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: Amy Tucson, who was accused of spiking a friend's vodka
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: with MDMA during a night at Mount ball has broken
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: her silence after her criminal case was dropped. I've been
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: quite gripped by this case. I don't know if you
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: two have heard about it. This is a socialite, Amy
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: Tucson in Melbourne. She was previously married to a very
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: well known dentist in Melbourne, and she was recently charged
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: with spiking a friend's drink during a weekend away. The
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: charges have since been dropped. I did wonder why. I
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: saw on a social media she was out trotting about
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Europe and in recent weeks I thought, for someone facing charges,
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: she's living an awfully glamorous life. But there you go,
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: the charges have been dropped. I'm not sure why.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: I'd love to know how to curiosity.
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: I've remained blissfully unaware. I have to say, oh really,
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: I'm said.
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: That you're not up at the social circles.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: Then shame, shame. Interesting story. Also their bombshell legal twist
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: in Cat's Tale. Stephanie Catalano, wife of disgrace media mogul Anthony,
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: is agitating for police to drop the criminal charges he
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: faces for allegedly assaulting her amid reports the couple are
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: reconciling their marriage.
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: So there you go, on the front of the INNT news.
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: A vad to pass into NT law decades in the making.
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: The Northern Territory once led the world on voluntary assisted
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: DANG and the COP government has now confirmed the votes
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: to bring those ranks back after three decades, which I
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: think they're the odd one out at the moment. I
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: think every other state in territory now has it and
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: so the NT will be the last one to join
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: the crew.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: What's interesting about that is the government review said that
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: there should be no time frame put on your ability
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: to seek VAD. The Government of change and said you've
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: got to have twelve months or less to live. Yeah,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: And the government report also said that doctors should be
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: allowed to initiate the conversation and the Conservative government have
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: proposed no, that will not be admitted.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: So that's how they got it across the line. We're
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: going to go to a break.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we're going to show you some
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: incredible footage of a shopkeeper attacked. He survived, but barely
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: attacked by a leopard. That's coming up after the break. Well,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: if you think Australian politics is bad Anika, all you've
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: got to do is look over to the UK. It's
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: a lot worse.
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: There, it really is.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: And there's one rule of thumb when you've got a
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: microphone around you or in general, just never say anything
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: that you don't want anyone to hear, because you never
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: know when it might get leaked. Of course, Andy Burn
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: telling me that I'm telling you now, I mean some
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: of the things you've said, good career. Now, look Andy Burnham,
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: of course, has just become the new UK Prime minister.
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: He's elected his new cabinet.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: Where's streeting who was just put into the cabinet. He
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: was caught on a bit of a hot mic moment
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: talking about what is going to happen to prisoners whoops,
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: So basically there he was suggesting that his fellow cabinet
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: ministers will want to let them all out, as in,
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: let all the prisoners out.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: Gee. That's not a good look, is it.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: It's not a good look at all, though, what would
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: be unusual. They've been doing that for some time in
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: the UK, letting people out early.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Very true, exactly, don't say anything you don't want anyone
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: to hear if a MIC's around.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Indeed, when you're going to work of a morning, you're
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: probably hoping that the customers will be pleasant. You might
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: be hoping for an early mark so you can get
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: back to your family. You're probably not hoping that you'll
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: avoid an attack from a leopard. But a couple of
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: guys who went to work in a bottle shop in
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: India got exactly that.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this incredible footage.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: They're going about their business when a leopard runs into
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: the shop, jumps the counter and starts attacking one of
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: the workers.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: You can see there. He fights the leopard off.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Manages to climb over the counter, leaving the leopard stuck
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: in the shop area sulking around.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Caleb.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Probably not his greatest day at work, but definitely his
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: most memorable.
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I think the leopard had just been asked
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: for ID and he couldn't provide it and didn't lack
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: the fact the bloke wouldn't give him bottle of Vodkas,
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: so he decided to punch on.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: I've woke up. This is one of the first things
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: I see when I work up this mother way.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: Hang on a minute.
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: Oh that's terrifying, stealing in some lipid starts coming at you.
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: Oh I just the thought of that.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: Actually, Like, good on him for holding his nerves. Really,
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: like anyone would have just crumbled in that moment. It
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: looked like a snake. It was just traveling.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: He should be a bouncer.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: If he'd lost his footing, had fallen over.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Oh he would have been done for now.
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: I reckon that that guy has a career in security
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: killing racket right, app or copper or something, Because it
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: was some proper bravery. Speaking of brave, remember the the
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: communist mayor of New.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: York's or in Mum Dunny.
• 48:30
  Speaker 8: He promised that he would lock up bb Nit, Nyaho
• 48:33
  Speaker 8: if he went anywhere near New York.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Well, he's worked out he can't do it.
• 48:40
  Speaker 10: My administration has reviewed every avenue available under applicable law
• 48:45
  Speaker 10: to determine whether New York City could execute the International
• 48:48
  Speaker 10: Criminal Court's arrest warrant if Benjamin Netta, who came here.
• 48:51
  Speaker 10: It is clear that we do not have the independent
• 48:53
  Speaker 10: legal authority to enforce this warrant.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Oh yez, you were big and brave, talking a big game.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: You're going to lock him up for war crimes?
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  Speaker 6: And then I'm very sorry, Actually I don't have the
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: ability to do that. Sorry about that one.
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: Embarrassing. It was like a national address.
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: Oh well, man, he's a national address to tell you
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: what I can't do.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: It's pretty good in it.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Indeed, that's all we've got time for stick around.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Coming up next is to read a penalty show. We'll
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: see it tomorrow